1 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back in another edition of 2 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: the Late Kick Extra podcast. It is let's check the 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: eye Josh here Allegedly it's Thursday morning, May thirteenth. I'm 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: pretty sure it's the Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty one, 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: and I'm definitely sure. We got such a loaded mail 6 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: bag this morning that we have questions that have overflowed 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: from about a week prior. Luckily, they're still relevant today, 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: so I'm going to fit as many in as possible. 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: I know we stretched Tuesday Morning with you know, some 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: stories that may or may not have tied into college football. 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: But I'm not apologizing because the feedback I got from 12 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: the storm chasing story and Tuesday's pod overwhelming and it 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: was all positive. I think there was one guy who 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: said stick to football, and to you, sir, I just apologize, 15 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: and that's why I kicked it to the end of 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: the podcast. But by now, and based on the feedback 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: you guys have given me, I got a pretty good 18 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: idea of what you're looking for. So I like to 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: mix in some flavor. You know, that's an industry term, 20 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: some flavor. Otherwise you never would have heard that word before. 21 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: So here's how to submit a question if you want 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: to jam pack it into this podcast or future podcast. 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: Josh paid seven zero six at gmail dot com. You 24 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: can reach me the same way if you want to 25 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: book a zoom consultation. Really loading up this next week 26 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: of those, by the way, also the Instagram account, we're 27 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: trying to get that thing as fat as we can 28 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: by the time Media Days rolls around, really clause, that's 29 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: when I'm going to start pushing some stuff there that 30 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: you have not seen yet. It's going to be fun. 31 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: It's going to be very very eye opening, very peel 32 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: back the curtainy a lot of stuff that you otherwise 33 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: would not have seen. I'm going to be able to 34 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: give you there. This is the kind of stuff that 35 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: maybe management doesn't want me showing on our main broadcast, 36 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: and so if we can hide it over there in 37 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: the Instagram account, oh maybe they won't see it. So 38 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: at Late Kick Josh, that's how you can find me there. 39 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: It's the same on Twitter at Late Kickjosh. Those accounts. 40 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm just again it helps me obviously, so selfishly I 41 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: want them to be as big as possible, but it's 42 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: going to greatly help the show, and it's going to 43 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: immediately serve you. The bigger those accounts are. It's kind 44 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: of incentivizing us to be able to do more things 45 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: and to get a yes to do more. So I 46 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: keep saying that in kind of a guarded way. If 47 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: you can read through the lines, you know what I'm 48 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: telling you. So it's up to you to make it happen. 49 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: At late kick, Josh, all right, let's dive in because 50 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of questions to get to. I'm 51 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: going to get to as many as possible this morning. 52 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let Joe kick us off. Joe said, I 53 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: was thinking about it, and doesn't it seem like coaches 54 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: are sometimes loyal to a quarterback or other players to 55 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: a fault. I feel that this has been the case 56 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: in the past with Georgia and presently with Penn State, 57 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: among other examples. Joe, I think this is possible. Yes, 58 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: I do think it's a little more complicated, but sometimes 59 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: not as complicated. Sometimes it's just on the surface, like 60 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: you said, But independent of Penn State, because I'm not 61 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: sure how I feel about that. Clifford's the assumed starter 62 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: because he's been there like twenty four years at this point, 63 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: and I don't know that there is a definitive better 64 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: option there. But at Georgia you're referring to Justin Fields, 65 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: and that looks bad now and to some people that 66 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: looked bad at the time. And like I've said about 67 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: this whole situation before, if you're unfamiliar, by the way, 68 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: let me take you back. So Fields is on campus. 69 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: You know who that is now, but some of you, 70 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: if you don't follow recruiting, you didn't know that name 71 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: back then. He was a five star quarterback, came out 72 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: the same class as Trevor Lawrence, same state. They were 73 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: both from around Atlanta. Georgia landed Justin Fields initially, but 74 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: they had Jake from on campus too. Now again, if 75 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: we're putting on our revisionist classes, that pales in comparison 76 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: to what Justin Fields is correct keyword is today using 77 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: revisionist history or having the full perspective of history. Now 78 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: you understand one doesn't quite compare to the other, does he? Well, 79 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: at the time, what did we have We had Jake 80 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: fromm who had been pressed into starting duty. I think 81 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: when Jacob Eeson went down and remember how this whole 82 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: thing unfolded, they went to notre Dame because I was 83 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: at that game. I was on I was up in 84 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: South Bend for that one, and it was Jake From's 85 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: first start. He's pressed into action as a true freshman, 86 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: and they never looked back. They went on to win 87 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: the SEC Championship. They had a hiccup against Auburn, but 88 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: they atoned for it in the SEC title game. Keep 89 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: in mind what we're setting up for here. Okay, now 90 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: we know the entire context. So Jake From as a 91 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: true freshman is the starting quarterback that wins the SEC Championship. 92 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: They go play Oklahoma and the Rose Bowl instant overtime Classic. 93 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: They beat Oklahoma, they go to the National Championship game. 94 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: Jake From, there's no other way to put it, plays 95 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: good enough to have Georgia in a position to win 96 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: the National championship as a true freshman. To a tongue 97 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: of I looa second twenty six happened. You remember how 98 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: it ended. But the point is in twenty eighteen, when 99 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: you're coming off that year. Now, it's easy to look 100 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: back and say, oh, Justin Fields was still the better quarterback, 101 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: But at the time, I just want you to remember 102 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: what you would have been asking Kirby Smart to do 103 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: that true freshman that just took you to within inches 104 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: of doing something Georgia hasn't done in generations. You're gonna 105 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: bench him to play a guy that has not played 106 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: meaningful football for you. It sounds easy once you know 107 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: how it turned out. I'm just telling you your job 108 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: was never on the line making that decision. Kirby Smarts was. 109 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: So I know again for the fifth time that looking back, 110 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: it's easy to say, oh, they let Justin Fields get away, 111 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: they let the better quarterback walk. Well as it it 112 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: turns out, Yeah, and according to star ranking, yeah he was. 113 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: But you've seen five star quarterbacks flame out before. So 114 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: the star rating alone wasn't definitive proof that Justin Fields 115 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: was going to end up becoming what he became. But 116 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: here's what I did the other day. I did some 117 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: digging on this, and I asked around, because now that 118 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: the dust is settled, you can get people to be 119 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: a little bit more open than they may have been 120 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: at the time. And I asked, hey, just give it 121 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: to me. What was the true story. What was the 122 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: whole story with Justin Fields? Basically, here's what I'm looking for. 123 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm looking for this giant red herring. I'm looking for 124 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: validation that, oh, maybe there was this big hidden issue 125 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: that was never made public. You know, maybe there was 126 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 1: a secret off field incident that you never heard about 127 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: that heavily weighed into the decision to not do this 128 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: or not play him there. But there really wasn't that. 129 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: What it was was Justin Fields and Jim Cheney, keep 130 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: in minds of the offensive coordinator there at the time. 131 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: Justin Fields, according to that staff, just did not possess 132 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: the ability to grasp that playbook quickly enough to challenge 133 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: for the starting job. And it's really that cut and 134 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: dry according to them. Now, from there, let me put 135 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: a period on the end of that story. From there, 136 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 1: I know someone's sitting there in their cubicle right now, 137 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: just pass the lunch, and you may be thinking to yourself. 138 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: Or maybe someone's on the riding lawnmower in the middle 139 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: of Oscilla, Georgia, and you may be thinking to yourself, 140 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: or hey, you know what, let's fit another one in. 141 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: Maybe someone is hauling steel down on the Gulf coast. 142 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: Let's say you're around Andalujah, Alabama, headed south, whatever the case, 143 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: wherever you are listening, thank you you may be thinking 144 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: to yourself, well, isn't it the role of the offensive 145 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: coordinator and ultimately the head coach to find a system 146 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: and then be able to be flexible enough to tailor 147 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: that system to where their best talent fits into it. 148 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: You could think that, and I think it's fair. I 149 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: don't push back a ton on it. I guess here's 150 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: the best way to sum that up and state it. 151 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: If you tell me you're running a system that justin 152 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: Fields is not capable of fitting into, then you probably 153 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: don't have a justin fields problem as much as you 154 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: had a fill in the blank problem. Let's call it 155 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: a Jim Cheney problem or a system problem. So it's 156 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: easy to look at that. Now. What I'm saying is, 157 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: I don't know that favor were played there. Now. I 158 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: think Kirby Smart played a favorite, but the favorite wasn't 159 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: Jake from I think the favorite was just risk aversion. 160 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: I mean, he went with the safest option. And my 161 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: only problem with this I started to say this sentence 162 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: like five minutes ago and then got sidetracked. My biggest 163 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: problem with this has never been who's smart decided to play? 164 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: Because I think there is a valid explanation for at 165 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: the time choosing from overfields. Now, there would not be 166 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: one today, but there was one at the time. But 167 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: the only thing I've ever had a problem with is 168 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: the people who endorsed that at the time that now 169 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: in retrospect want to crucify Kirby Smart or whoever it is, 170 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: for making the decision. You don't get to play that 171 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: both ways. If the guy making the decision doesn't get 172 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: the benefit of hindsight, then you don't get it in 173 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: the way of criticism. If you criticized him at the beginning, 174 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: that's fine, I'll listen to you, but I'm not going 175 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: to listen to someone who endorsed it on a message board. 176 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: And I go back and look at your history and 177 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: you said, yeah, Frahm's the guy, and then four years 178 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: later you're saying, man, Kirby blew that Field should have 179 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: been the guy all along. No, if that's not the 180 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: tune you were singing at the time, I'm not interested 181 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: in the song from you now. But Joe, to circle 182 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: back before we move on here, Yeah, I think favorites 183 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: are sometimes played. I just think it's hard to diagnose 184 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: when that's happening at the time. Because I'm not saying 185 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: this happen with fields, but in a broader sense, there 186 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: could always be stuff going on behind the scenes that 187 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: is impacting a decision, whether it's a character related issue, 188 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: an academic related issue, a drug related issue. Again, I'm 189 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: not referring to any one situation. This is a generic statement, 190 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: to be perfectly clear. If that's happening, how would we 191 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: ever know it If one quarterback has those issues and 192 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: the other quarterback doesn't, and quarterback A looks to be 193 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: the better guy from us watching five minutes of practice, 194 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: but quarterback BE gets the start to you, and I 195 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: may look like he's playing favorites to him. He may say, 196 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: I don't have any other option. You think I have 197 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks, I really only have one I can play 198 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: right now, so there is no choice. But you don't 199 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: come out and say that in the media, cause the 200 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: kid's nineteen years old and you're not throwing him under 201 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: the bus just to make you look good. You're the 202 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: one paid seven and a half million dollars a year, 203 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: so you're the one that just has to take the 204 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: criticism or not turn on Twitter, and you don't have 205 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: to really worry about it. Kyle's up next. Kyle said, 206 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: are there in see college football playoff expansion ideas you 207 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: do agree with? Easy one here? Kyle, No, n oh, period, 208 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: No there aren't. You know my feelings on this. I'm 209 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: not dragging down every show we do revisiting this. I 210 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: will take you down maybe a little bit different road though. 211 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: I was doing some radio hits the other day and 212 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: I got asked about this, and I started talking about 213 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: the difference in philosophy and where people's hearts are at. 214 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm not ignorant enough to think that everyone who wants 215 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: to expand the playoff hates college football. You could love 216 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: it just as much as I do. We just have 217 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: differing opinions of where the sport should head and what's 218 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: best for the sport. But at the end of the day, 219 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: it's like if I vote on the right, you vote 220 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: on the left. It's possible that we have equal love 221 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: for the country. We just feel different ways about how 222 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: it should be run, and in college football it's the 223 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: same way. That's not where my biggest problem lies, because 224 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: you and I can go eat lunch at barbecue joint 225 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: in Columbus, Georgia and we can argue over this shout 226 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: out always clearview barbecue. By the way, Look, that's not 227 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: where the issue is. Here's the issue. There are people 228 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: on the other side of the fence from you who 229 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: love the sport like you do. But then there's another 230 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: group over there that couldn't care less about the sport. 231 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: And the biggest threat to college football is not people 232 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: who disagree with me on playoff expansion or people who 233 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: disagree with me on nil or anything like that. To me, 234 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: the biggest threat to this sport. And it was put 235 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: very well by my buddy Daniel, who is from the 236 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: College Football Nerds Twitter account, YouTube channel, et cetera. The 237 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: other day. He said, Man, we are letting tourists call 238 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: the shots here, and he's dead on the money. I 239 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: want you to imagine, let's go back to the homeowners 240 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: association we made up the other day, not the show owners, 241 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: the homeowners association. Let's just pretend we're running one. We 242 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: live in a nice neighborhood and we've saved our money 243 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: and we bought a nice house. We finally get to 244 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: have those wrought iron gates outside that we always wanted. 245 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: But anyway, so we're living in a nice neighborhood finally, 246 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: and here comes the homeowners Association meeting. Independent of what 247 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: you guys feel about hoa's let's just okay, let's set 248 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: that aside. We're going to the meeting. They're serving free 249 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: pigs in the blanket and mustard and it's the kind 250 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: on the toothpick, so you don't have to get your 251 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: hands greasy, not that I'm mind. But we go in, 252 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: we sit down, and they have a presentation and it's 253 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: about all the changes that they're going to make to 254 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. And you you don't like many of them, 255 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: but hey whatever, you're listening because you assume people who 256 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: have lived here longer than you they know best. And 257 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: then the presentation is over and the lights in the 258 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: auditorium go on and they say any questions, and then 259 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: the first question comes from you, and you say, yeah, 260 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: where are you from? And they say, oh, we're from 261 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: Des Moines. Well, the problem is this is Nashville. What 262 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: are you doing here? You don't live here? Oh no, 263 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: we're just tourists. Really, well, why in the world do 264 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: you have a microphone in front of your face? Just 265 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: because we do to America, we have a right to talk. Well, yeah, 266 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: you do. But at this particular venue, for this particular event, 267 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: you don't really have a place to be talking because 268 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: this is a homeowner's association meeting for a neighborhood in Nashville, Tennessee. 269 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: You're from Des Moines, that's Iowa. But then you think 270 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: you're going to get a lot of support from the 271 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: rest of the room, But the rest of the room 272 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: looks at you and says, listen, Josh, yeah, technically you're right, 273 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: but they're not going to shut up until we appease them. 274 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: So for the sake of keeping the calm and keeping 275 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: the peace around here, let's just give them what they want. Okay, 276 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: maybe it'll be better for the neighborhood anyway, Let's just 277 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,479 Speaker 1: give them what they want. And you just you're emphatic, 278 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: you got smoke coming out of your ears, because they 279 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: don't get it. These people don't care about the neighborhood. 280 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: The changes what you say. Maybe they'll work. Whether they 281 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: work or they don't, these people could walk away tomorrow 282 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: and our neighborhood could turn into a mushroom cloud behind them, 283 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 1: and they just, you know, dust their hands off, and 284 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: they're back on their way to Iowa. And they don't 285 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: have to worry about it. They don't have to deal 286 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: with the consequences. If you and I were to get 287 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: in a fight in your kitchen, who has more to 288 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: lose answer you do. I don't care about your cabinets. 289 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: I don't care about your pots and pans, your dining room, 290 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: the glass in there, the fine china. I can break 291 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: whatever I want fighting you. You have to defend yourself 292 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: and your kitchen. I just have to defend myself. I 293 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: can break whatever I want because I get to go 294 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: home after the fight's over, unless you do a real 295 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: number on me. And Tourism in college football is not 296 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: healthy when the tourists are the ones calling the shots. 297 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: And so there may be some out there who disagree 298 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: with me on expansion. That's cool, because if you're listening 299 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: to this podcast, chances are you love college football and 300 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: we can disagree and we can have our own separate conversation. 301 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: But before you and I have that conversation, what you 302 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: guys on your end of the fence at least have 303 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: to do is you got to look around and you 304 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: got to weed out the tourists, because there are some 305 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: people among you. They're wearing masks, they aren't really who 306 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: you think they are. They're posing as college football fans. 307 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: They really couldn't care less whether this sport lives or dies, 308 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: whether it flourishes or burns to the ground. They have 309 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: an ulterior motive. Sometimes it's political, sometimes it's societal. Sometimes 310 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: it's financial or legal. But some of them have gotten 311 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: their way into your midst And they sound like they're 312 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: singing the same song you are. They're not. They're singing 313 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: out of a different songbook entirely. The tune just happens 314 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: to sound the same right now. But these are people 315 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: looking to advance an agenda, and it could be fifteen 316 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: different agendas. But the agenda is not what's best for 317 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: college football. It's what's best for filling the blank. And 318 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: I don't think you'd like what's in the blank. This 319 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: is like watching a locusts come into a fresh green, 320 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: lush field full of vegetation, and what do the locusts do? 321 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: They don't care how pretty it is. They devour it, 322 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: and then they move on because that's their nature. And 323 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: then you yell at the locusts as they disappear, at locusts, 324 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 1: come back here. Do you see what you just did 325 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: to this field? And they look back and say, yeah, 326 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: I'm a locust. That's how I roll. You should have 327 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: known better, and the locust in this case will be right, 328 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: like I think Richard marks On saying you should have 329 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: known better. So Kyle, to get back to your question, 330 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: I don't agree with anyone making the argument about expanding 331 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: the playoff, but I can agree with your motivation. The 332 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: biggest disagreement I have is with people whose voices are 333 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: being amplified right now. Whose motivation I question, because there's 334 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: a lot of motivation out there when and it's not 335 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: just playoff. There's a lot of motivation out there when 336 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: it comes to changing the rules of the sport, when 337 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: it comes to nil, when it comes to transfer portal, 338 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: and maybe when it comes to the playoff or the 339 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: motivation and where it lies, that's a big issue. Don't 340 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: let the tourist get the mo microphone in college football. 341 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. All Right, we move on. David 342 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: is up next. He said, On any given team, certain 343 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: players have always gotten more attention. But what does it 344 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: do to a locker room when some of the players 345 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: are making significant money based off performance while others are not. 346 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: I know, ultimately, it comes down to a person's individual character. 347 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: But broadly speaking, do you think name, image and likeness 348 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: will make it harder for coaches to build a unified 349 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: team and will the spirit of college football be negatively effected? 350 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: If so, David, yes, it's going to be harder. I'm 351 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: not going to pretend it's not going to be. Yes, 352 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: the spirit individually of teams and maybe collectively with the 353 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: sport of football could be impacted. It could be. I 354 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: keep using those because I don't think it has to be. 355 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the reality is if you look 356 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: at some of the bigger programs right now at Clemson, 357 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: for example, Clemson's had a very good culture over there, 358 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: you don't really hear a whiff of this stuff coming 359 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: out of Clemson. And most of those guys have NFL aspirations. 360 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: They're not all going to make it, and some of 361 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: them are not going to go drafted nearly as high 362 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: as the other ones. But the point is, before you 363 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: ever put money into this equation, the thing you really 364 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: need to understand is some people who are older don't 365 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: grasp this about a younger generation, particularly the one right now. 366 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: They have been wired to treat attention as the more 367 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: valuable currency than money. Not all of them, but some 368 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: of them view attention. They'd rather have two hundred likes 369 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: on Instagram than a twenty dollars bill. And that's just reality. 370 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: So before we ever put money into the equation, ask yourself. 371 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: Attention has always been at the table, and some of 372 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: them are getting at more than others. So at some places, 373 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: you've already had this kind of problem. You've already had 374 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: fractured locker rooms before money ever entered the equation. How 375 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: did that happen if the limiting factor or the determining 376 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: factor is money. Well, the answer is the determining factor 377 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: was never money. It was attention. And circling back, it's 378 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: about the individual character and then the collective character of 379 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: the locker room. When you want to look at the greatest. 380 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: I talk about Nick Saban all the time on here. 381 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: Some people said I talked about him too much, and 382 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: then I looked at our video of him the other day. 383 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: They did forty thousand views in the middle of May. 384 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think a lot of people care. But 385 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: the reason I talk about Saban is he's the greatest 386 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: of all time. I think one of the many aspects 387 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: I was listening to Chip Kelly talk about this the 388 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: other day. That make him the greatest of all time 389 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: is he manages this stuff. He's got the best players 390 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: in America and the best coaches in many cases in 391 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: his locker room, and they can't all get the attention. 392 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: And yet he finds a way to wire his entire mentality, 393 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: the entire mentality collectively, the psyche of the program singularly, 394 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: so basically the entire program in everyone in it thinks 395 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: like him, they all sound like him, they all talk 396 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: like him when they do interviews. I want you to 397 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: imagine how hard that is to do. If you have kids. 398 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: Let's just say you're a father of two. You got 399 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: a son, you got a daughter, and they're both teenagers. 400 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: How hard would it be for you to get just 401 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: those two human beings to sound like you and to 402 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: think like you, And then imagine they are as talented 403 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: in their particular field as anyone on planet Earth. And 404 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: then they go and they multiply times forty, so you 405 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: got like eighty of them or even more than that 406 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: counting walk on, so you got like a hundred of them, 407 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: and you don't have enough resource to give all of 408 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: them what they want, which is playing time in this case. 409 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: And yet you still get them to maintain composure and 410 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: to collectively think the same way, and sound the same way, 411 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: and talk the same way, and carry themselves the same way, 412 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: and largely stay out of trouble. How are you going 413 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: to accomplish that? By the way, I didn't even ask 414 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: you to drop a football play. I never even asked 415 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: you to call a defense. When you want to know 416 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: why someone like me talks about saving so much, I 417 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: just describe the portions of his job that don't even 418 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: have anything to do with football. Really, that just has 419 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: to do with psychology. So my feeling on this is 420 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 1: the ones who have already figured out that aspect. When 421 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: you throw money into the equation, it's going to be different, 422 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: But I don't think it's going to be an infinitely 423 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: greater challenge than the one they've already faced. Now, if 424 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: you don't have that stuff figured out, money thrown into 425 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: the mix could send your program into a tailspin. It's 426 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: no different than someone who has questionable character and they're 427 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: poor and then they get money thrown at them. Well, 428 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: what happens to that person? Because I think you can 429 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: take that metaphor and you can apply it to an 430 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: entire program. If a place is already fractured and then 431 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: you throw a bunch of money into it, I think 432 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: it's going to become more fractured. So I think the 433 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: money is going to make the program more of what 434 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: it already is. You know what that does? By the way, 435 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: now that we kind of say it out loud together, 436 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: what's one of the most popular phrases in college football 437 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: right now? Rich getting richer, bigger separation, bigger gap will 438 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: I think what I did just perfectly illustrates if that's 439 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: the way, this goes another path down which the rich 440 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: get richer. In this case, it's going to be the 441 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: ones who have their act together elevate more and the 442 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: ones who don't tail spind even further. And at the 443 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: end of that day, what do you have? You got 444 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: a bigger gap between the ones who have it figured 445 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: out and they're doing it the right way and the 446 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: ones who don't, the ones who are doing it the 447 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: wrong way. And people start looking back on ni On 448 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: and saying, oh my goodness, this didn't level the playing 449 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: field either, did it. Time march Is on Tracy Lawrence, 450 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: we do too. I got a good one here, I 451 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: got a couple of good ones, really about what we 452 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: do before a show. And then what has Lane Kiffen's 453 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: career and Steve Sarkejian's career? What have they taught us 454 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: about what could be inside all of us? We'll talk 455 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: about it right after this. Let's go in reverse order 456 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: of the way. I tease them because I really liked 457 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: this question. It's from Rach nine. I think this was 458 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 1: in the podcast review section where by the way, I 459 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: always appreciate those five star reviews. It's free, it takes 460 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: two seconds, and it helps us out a lot. Rach says, 461 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin and Steve Sarkeesian's names they always seem to 462 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: be intertwined to me because of their time at USC 463 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: in the mid two thousands, which guy had a bigger 464 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: impact on college football the last fifteen years? And what 465 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: can we learn from each of their careers? To me, 466 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: the guy who had the biggest impact is Lane Kiffin, 467 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: because Lane Kiffen was the guy. Now, whether he precipitated 468 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: it or not, he came in and Nick Saban changed 469 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: his philosophy, and that, to me, has fundamentally changed college 470 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: football because once Alabama did it, everything changed that is 471 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: the keystone program amongst keystone programs. So what they do 472 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: reverberates through the entire sport. There is a way that 473 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: Alabama's move impacts UCLA, impacts Akron, impacts Buffalo and everywhere 474 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: in between. Lane Kiffin comes in, and remember how that happened. 475 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: He got fired at USC and he came in during 476 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: Alabama's bull practices as kind of a consultant, and he 477 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: was just hanging around. He's the guy who famously said, 478 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: who's that number twenty seven over there? You know, the 479 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: big ogre looking running back? Who is that? Oh? His 480 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: name is Derek. I think his last name is Henry. Oh, 481 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: you guys should give him the ball more. And they 482 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: did in that Sugar Bowl against Oklahoma. Now they got beat, 483 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: but Henry ended up being a freight train the next 484 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: year that I think won the Heisman Trophy if I'm 485 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: not mistaken. So anyway, Lane Kiffen came in there and 486 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: changed everything. And I don't know that it wouldn't have 487 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: happened anyway. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but I 488 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: know it did happen on Lane Kiffin's watch. And I 489 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: also know that was If you're into the storyline portion 490 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 1: of sports more than the actual on field product. That 491 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: was nirvana for you to turn on a game and 492 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: watch Nick Saban interact with Lane Kiffin, because it couldn't 493 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: have been any more different than the way he interacted 494 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: with Sark h Pat Sark on the cheek. I don't 495 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: think he ever so much just raised his voice at 496 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: him publicly the entire time when he was there at Alabama. 497 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: He talked to Kiffvin like a kid in detention for 498 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: the third time this week, and Kiffin just sat there 499 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: with the face of someone who popped a muscle relaxer 500 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: or five right before Saban walked over to him. It 501 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: was really incredible to watch. I remember when I was 502 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: at a game. I can't remember who they were playing, 503 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: but I was on Alabama sideline and I was standing 504 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: right next to Sabin and Kiffin because the play was 505 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: all the way down in the red zone, so they're 506 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 1: over as far as they can go inside the coaching 507 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: box there on the field, which means they're standing right 508 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: next to where I am, and they had a short 509 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: yardage situation, and so classic Lane Kiffin. You got a 510 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: bunch of mac trucks on the offensive line. You got 511 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry in the backfield, and you got a short 512 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,959 Speaker 1: yardage situation. So he goes five wide or whatever it was, 513 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: and ball falls incomplete. It was a busted play. And 514 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: I've never heard a human being talked to another human 515 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: being like Nick Saban talked to Lane Kiffin. I felt 516 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: like I needed to pull out the eye Josh and 517 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: open up the notepad app and just start writing down 518 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: all these words I was hearing in the combinations. The 519 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: way that he wove it into a tapestry of verbal 520 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: violence against Lane Kiffin, it was crazy. And I'm looking 521 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 1: there and as he's doing it, Kiffin's calling a play 522 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: could have a crowbar taking to his shins at any second, 523 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: and he's just calling a play. His mouth doesn't change, 524 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: his facial expression doesn't change, and then second down, Alabama 525 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: won like fifty five to ten or something like that. 526 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: But Kiffin is as big a handful as he may 527 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: have been elsewhere. He was money on the field, and 528 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: he was money on that coaching staff, and they did 529 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: not fail to win the SEC championship single year that 530 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: he was there. So I think that that's the bigger 531 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: impact on college football. Sark I think was the best 532 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: coordinator Sabans ever had, though offense or defense. I think 533 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: what he just did there and what they did especially 534 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 1: last year, was as incredible as anything I've ever seen. 535 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: That was as flawless in the form of execution as 536 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: anything I've ever seen offensively. So good luck to Sark 537 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: at Texas. But then, what have we learned from him? Well, 538 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: I think we've learned the sport has lent itself to 539 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: offensive guys getting a number of chances. Lane Kiffin, if 540 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: he was a defensive guy, would not be given the 541 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: chances that he's been given. Now, A lot of you 542 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: would say if his last name went in Kiffin, he 543 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't be given those either. That's fine, but his last 544 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: name is Kiffin. If his last name was Kiffin and 545 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: he followed in the footsteps of his dad, who was 546 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: a defensive guy and is a defensive guy, I don't 547 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: think he would have been given the opportunities he's been given. 548 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: Same with Sark. I think as Steve Sarkejian was a 549 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: linebacker specialist, he wouldn't be given the opportunities after falling 550 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: that he's been given. But because those guys can get 551 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: it done on the side of the ball that wins 552 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: in this sport. Now they're given ample opportunities. So the 553 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 1: sport kind of came to them because there have been 554 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: times in the past. It's not like public mistake is 555 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: anything new. It's not like guys going through public hardship 556 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: or failing publicly is anything new. It's just that if 557 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: it were to happen in nineteen eighty four, maybe these 558 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: guys don't get the same opportunities that they've gotten now 559 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: that it's happening in modern college football. When the sport 560 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: has happened to shift simultaneous right towards their wheelhouse, and 561 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: when it shifts to your wheelhouse and you can get 562 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: it done the way they can get it done, you're 563 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: going to get opportunity to do it. Here's a goo 564 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: one from Franklin. Franklin says, I was wondering if you 565 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: guys have a pre show tradition for late cack, like 566 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: maybe a song or some ritual. Do you do anything 567 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: to start the show? Yes, we do, Daniel. Here's what happens. 568 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: Since there is no one allowed in our building still 569 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: aside from me and director Emeritith column, what we do 570 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: is we go in there and get everything ready and 571 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: I'll be in there several hours beforehand, but when Colin 572 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: comes in, we will go in make sure everything's good. 573 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: We'll do some sound checks, mike checks, we'll make sure 574 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: everything's focused, white, balanced, everything, and then we will proceed 575 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: to play a pretty serious game of trash can basketball 576 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: out there right in the middle of the cubicles. And 577 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: that'll go on until we get a call from Connecticut 578 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: saying where are you guys at And then we'll realize, oh, 579 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: it's ten minutes to showtime, and so then we'll get 580 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: things ready. But that's what we do before late Cake. Now, 581 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: back in the day, this reminded me since you mentioned 582 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: a song. This reminded me back when I was at 583 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: WLTZ down in Columbus and I worked mornings for a 584 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: long time, but before that I worked the afternoon in 585 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: night shift. So what we would do is I was 586 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,239 Speaker 1: sports director and then became news anchor there. But we 587 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: had a six pm news, then we had a ten 588 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: pm news, then we had an eleven pm news. So 589 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: from that ten thirty to about ten fifty five, part 590 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 1: of a night, you had a little bit of free time. 591 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: You know, untie your tie, get your drink of water, 592 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: and then you got to go right back out on set. Well, 593 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: what we did on Friday night is we instituted this 594 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: ritual right there in the studio at ten thirty three pm. 595 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: Everybody goes quiet. You're not allowed to talk. So we'd 596 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: have some of the on air talent in there, some 597 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: of the production assistants, sometimes the director and audio folks 598 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: will come in there, and we would put on the 599 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: song Holding Back the Years by Simply Red. It's a 600 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: really good song and it's one of those songs where 601 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: you heard it but you hadn't heard it in a 602 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 1: long time, and when someone plays it, you go, oh, man, 603 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: I love that song. I had heard this in forever. 604 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: So Holding Back the Years by Simply Red would play. 605 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: It's like a four minute four and a half minute songs, 606 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: nothing special at least in terms of length. But you 607 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: were not allowed to talk. No one's allowed to talk, 608 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: and you just sit there and reflect on your week. 609 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: You're about to head into the weekend. You just knock 610 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: down another week. In some cases, you're closer to the 611 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: end of your contra or maybe closer to vacation. At 612 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: the very least, you're just closer to going home. That night. 613 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: But it started off as just kind of a fun joke. 614 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: It evolved into the most looked forward to decompression session 615 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: of everyone's week emotionally, and you just sit there. I 616 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: got videos of it on the eye, Josh. We would 617 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: just sit there in silence and that song would play. 618 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: It's got some nice saxophone in it, good piano, good harmony, 619 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: really great void, like a very unique voice for simply 620 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: red anyway, So we would listen to it and then 621 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: your mind would be clear and then everyone could talk again. 622 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: But sometimes we get a new production assistant on staff 623 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: and they'd come out there at about ten thirty four 624 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: songs already play in and they didn't know any better, 625 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: so it was really uncomfortable for them. They thought they 626 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: were being hazed, you know, they thought it was part 627 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: of some initiation practice, and so they'd talk and it 628 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: would get ugly quick because we took it seriously. Once 629 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: we instituted the rules, we took it seriously. No one talks, 630 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: and man, I remember I'm not going to mention names, 631 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: but very famously, a couple of production assistants they ended 632 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: up getting initiated. But we didn't mean for it to happen. 633 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: They just did, but then they learned, and then they 634 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: ended up taking part in the hazing of future pas 635 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: who came in there and broke the code of silence. 636 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: I mean, it's four and a half minutes in a 637 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: whole week. It's not that much to ask, but simply 638 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: read holding back the years between the ten PM newscast 639 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: and the eleven PM newscast. That's probably been my favorite 640 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: pre show ritual that I've ever had at any stop. 641 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: Let's get one more in from Noah here. Noah said, 642 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: do you think NIL could potentially stop some of the 643 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: bowl game opt outs we're seeing? No, I don't know it. 644 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: I don't think NIL is going to do a thing 645 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: to stop opt outs because the guys who presumably would 646 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: be standing in line to gain the most from NIL 647 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: would already be headed to the NFL, and therefore at 648 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: that point it would kind of be irrelevant. And secondly, 649 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: let's say you're talking about a true freshman. Well, a 650 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: true freshman is going to get his NIL money whether 651 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: or whether or not he plays in the bowl game, 652 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: because an advertiser that he strikes an endorsement deal with 653 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: is not going to say we're only going to give 654 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: you this money from filling the blank auto service if 655 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: you play in your bowl game. So no, I don't 656 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: think is going to do it at all. Noah, I've 657 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: told you, once the toothpaste is out of the tube, 658 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: you're not putting it back in. What I think that 659 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: we should explore doing for ball season to make sure 660 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: that relevance remains in bowl season and to make sure 661 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: everyone wants to participate is I think you got to 662 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: tie in revenue sharing packages. This would not be my 663 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 1: initial idea. Again, mind you, I'm saying given where we 664 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: are now, and given that this push for the playoff 665 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: and build everything around the playoff has made a lot 666 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: of people think these games are meaningless, which you were 667 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: warned would happen. Now, the way to get them back 668 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: involved in it and to make sure that the passion's 669 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: there and the willingness and eagerness to play in the 670 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: game is there is you got to have incentive. That's 671 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: the only way you have to incentivize playing. And since 672 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: you told them the games are otherwise meaningless, natural passion 673 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: is not going to be the incentive, So now you 674 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: got to incentivize them the same way you get incentivized 675 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: to get up and go to work every morning, and 676 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: that's money. And this would be different. You would have 677 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: to treat bowl season as different than the regular season. 678 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: But I would be a big, big fan now of 679 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: let's say the Gator taking its Bowl package and its 680 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: TV money and the revenue that is brought in from 681 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: Gate and everything else, and create a pool. And let's 682 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: say out of one hundred percent of that revenue sharing pool, 683 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: seventy five percent of it goes to the winning team, 684 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: twenty five percent goes to the losing team. Now, what 685 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: this does is once your team is in the game, 686 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: you're guaranteed to get some money, and so players who 687 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: play are guaranteed to get some money. That's one of 688 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: the keys. You can't opt out and still get the money. 689 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: So you've got to be in the game. And then secondly, 690 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: you're incentivized to win because you get way more money 691 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: if you win than if you lose. So that's the 692 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: way I'd like to see it done. Now, nil is 693 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: not going to be what helps that the ability to 694 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: distribute revenue sharing from a bowl game. That's probably what 695 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: would be more likely to at least cut into opt outs. 696 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: A lot of people think expanding the playoffs going to 697 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: do that long term, I think you're going to find 698 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: it's not. I know it's very hard to believe right now, 699 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: and some of you are gonna have to see that, 700 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: and I've already talked about that, but that's the way 701 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: I would go revenue sharing in Bowl games that aren't 702 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: all ready part of the playoff. However big it ends 703 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: up being all right, I got to go get ready 704 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: for Late Kick Live tonight. Really good traffic. I told 705 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: you the other day. I think I said we were 706 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: averaging one thousand extra downloads a month. I was wrong 707 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: about that. We're averaging over a thousand extra downloads per 708 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: episode throughout the last month. And that is what really 709 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: stands out, because this is the time of year that 710 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: people tell you in the industry your audience is supposed 711 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: to decline. Ours hasn't. And I think I was talking 712 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: to a buddy the other night on the phone. I 713 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: think it's tied directly into a lot of you adopting 714 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: the idea that I've kind of thrown out there about 715 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: the off season not existing. We don't do the off 716 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: season around here, and I told you the whole time 717 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: that's not a marketing slogan. I'm not going to cut 718 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: back on our production. We're not going to cut back 719 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: on the amount of content we're putting out. So we 720 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 1: believe in that. But the funny thing about it is, 721 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: somewhere along the way, every single one of you jumped 722 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: on board too, and so you haven't tuned out. I 723 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: appreciate it. I can assure you the company appreciates it. 724 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: But I appreciate it too, because here's what it makes 725 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: people say, Wait a second. If those people are still 726 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: here this time of year, imagine with a full season, 727 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: an uninterrupted season coming up. It's not an election year anymore. 728 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: No one's distracted. Imagine what that Late Kickshow what that 729 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: thing could do in the fall. And then I look 730 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: at them and I wink at them, and then I 731 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: go right back to my studio, turn the microphone on, 732 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: and we just keep on going. So that's the path 733 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: we're on right now. I appreciate that at Late Kick, 734 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: Josh hit up that Instagram, Twitter, Josh pat seven zero 735 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: six at gmail dot com. If you want to submit 736 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: a question or book a Zoom consultation. I'm sending this 737 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: off to producer Jordan to get this thing out for 738 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: you I'll talk to you later tonight on Late Kicklive. 739 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: Have a great rest of your day and God bless