WEBVTT - Autism and RFK Jr.’s War on Pregnant People

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<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Akadappa here, a podcast where your host wakes

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<v Speaker 2>up every morning and rolls a d six to determine

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<v Speaker 2>whether the government wants to exterminate her for being trans,

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<v Speaker 2>autistic or Chinese. This week I am your host, be

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<v Speaker 2>a long. We have rolled the dice. This week is

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<v Speaker 2>autism week, and by autism week, I mean anti autism week.

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<v Speaker 2>The Trump administration or specifically orifica junior promise at the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning is like April roughly that they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>find the cause of autism by the end of the summer.

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<v Speaker 2>And they are claiming that the cause of autism is

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<v Speaker 2>taking tail and all when you're pregnant, and that's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>And to talk about how unbelievably vile and unhinged this

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<v Speaker 2>is is Crystal, who's a unionized abortion care worker who

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<v Speaker 2>is also a clozilla on Blue Sky and a friend

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<v Speaker 2>of the show, done many things. Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you so much, Mea. It's always so wonderful

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<v Speaker 3>to come and talk about horrifying things with you and

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<v Speaker 3>be filled with existential dread together.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so good, And by good, I mean the worst

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<v Speaker 2>thing I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like this is such a great time to be

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<v Speaker 3>a trans, non binary abortion care worker. I just love

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<v Speaker 3>I love like being hated in so many different ways.

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<v Speaker 3>You just like a rich tapestry of hatred towards you.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really great, so good.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, that's actually kind of where I want to

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<v Speaker 2>start about this is that most of the media coverage

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<v Speaker 2>of this has been purely focusing on the tail and

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<v Speaker 2>al causing autism, well especifically that causing autism. And I

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<v Speaker 2>want to point out because most of the news articles

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<v Speaker 2>that cover this simply do not mention this. They are

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<v Speaker 2>also claiming that taking tailanol if you're pregnant causes ADHD,

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<v Speaker 2>a thing which you think would be noteworthy to point out,

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<v Speaker 2>but has just not. Yeah, I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why people are reading the transcript. I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're not.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I actual I hadn't seen that part.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I was literally just reading and observing like this

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<v Speaker 3>the pregnancy and what that means for you know, pregnant people,

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<v Speaker 3>and I like didn't see any of the ADHD stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>So that was new when you brought that up to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's just not being reported on. It's really baffling.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to before we sort of busy get

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<v Speaker 2>into the wait, hold on, why the fuck are they

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<v Speaker 2>doing this? What is happening here? Because and as Chris

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<v Speaker 2>All going to say, actually toile it all is safe

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<v Speaker 2>for people who are pregnant, It's fine. But I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go over a bit of like what's actually in

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<v Speaker 2>this because it's a really really weird. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be getting more into the sort of like into the

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<v Speaker 2>autism angle in another episode next week, but I want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk a little bit about just like the actual

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that was in this announcement where Trump is saying

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<v Speaker 2>that a you shouldn't give towle all to pregnant people

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<v Speaker 2>and also saying like you shouldn't give it to like

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<v Speaker 2>young children, and is like, you know, it's like ranting

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<v Speaker 2>about like mercury aluminum in vaccines, which like this shit

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<v Speaker 2>isn't real, Like there hasn't even been anything that even

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<v Speaker 2>remotely related to mercury vaccines for ages. It also never

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<v Speaker 2>did anything, but this is all weird. Andrew Wakefield special shit.

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<v Speaker 2>He also has this thing where he's talking about like

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<v Speaker 2>how you should separate the MMR vaccines, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>thing that if you have seen the h bomber Guy video,

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<v Speaker 2>you will know the reason that that was an anti

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<v Speaker 2>vax talking point was because Wakefield was selling separate vaccines,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he was trying to convince parents that having

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<v Speaker 2>all three of the vaccines at once to give their

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<v Speaker 2>kids autism. But if he did it separately, it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>through scientific things that don't make any sense, even according

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<v Speaker 2>to his own incredibly made up bullshit. Wakefield, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>is the guy who sort of kicked off the modern

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<v Speaker 2>anti vaccine movements by abusing a bunch of children and

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<v Speaker 2>publishing an incredibly fake study and then getting it retracted

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<v Speaker 2>and then getting his let midical license attracted because it

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<v Speaker 2>was incredibly fake and abused children. So Trump is sort

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<v Speaker 2>of just repeating the stuff that he's like vaguely remembers.

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<v Speaker 2>There's this a whole bunch of this sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>stuffy vaguely remembers like he's he's he goes on a

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<v Speaker 2>random rant about like how Cuba doesn't have thailot all,

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<v Speaker 2>so they don't have autism, and that homage people and

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<v Speaker 2>this is the one that goes around laws like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>people don't have autism because they don't take drugs, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh my god. I also just I want

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<v Speaker 2>to read a quote from RFK Junior about this, which,

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<v Speaker 2>again and I want to point this out, the actual

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<v Speaker 2>point of this thing is announcing that the FDA is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to recommend that you take a set of

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<v Speaker 2>metaphine or tailand all if you're pregnant. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>read this, and I'm gonna ask if you can figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what the link between this and thailo All is.

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<v Speaker 2>This is from RFK Junior quote. President Trump believes that

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<v Speaker 2>we should be listening to these mothers instead of gas

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<v Speaker 2>lighting and marginalizing them, marginalizing them like prior administrations. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of our friends like to say, we should believe all women.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of these same people have been silencing and demonizing

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<v Speaker 2>these mothers for three decades because research onto potent link

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<v Speaker 2>between autism and vaccines has been suppressed in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>So is this basically talking about kind of like the

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<v Speaker 3>celebrity anti vax people and like the grifters.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, yeah, it's like I can't believe that. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I can believe, but like a the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that RFK Junior noted repeatedly accused of sexual assault, and

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<v Speaker 2>whose response when asked to about it was quote, I

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<v Speaker 2>have a lot of skeletons in my closet, is doing

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<v Speaker 2>believe all women? But about vaccines causing autism?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's only just like a talking point

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<v Speaker 3>that they can use in their favor, he is, it's

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<v Speaker 3>never actually about you know it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god? And I like that, like this is just

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<v Speaker 2>like the average thing in this speech that isn't barely

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<v Speaker 2>even getting use coverage.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean there's also what Trump said as well, which

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<v Speaker 3>oh yeah, because I've seen a lot of that too,

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like between what Trump said and what RFK

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<v Speaker 3>Junior said, it's like what where do you even like

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<v Speaker 3>where does the media focus? Like, how do you explain

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<v Speaker 3>this to the American audience?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's ridiculous. And then they also brought in

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<v Speaker 2>Marty mcerray, who's the commissioner of the FDA, who has

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<v Speaker 2>a giant rants about how, like I learned in medical school,

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<v Speaker 2>just treat fevers, low grade fevers with the seed of metaphine.

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<v Speaker 2>Why what are we doing? A STUDI out of Hopkins

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<v Speaker 2>actually showed treating a fever can prolong the duration of

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<v Speaker 2>illness in a young child. Maybe that's because fever is

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<v Speaker 2>a body's natural way of ridding an infection.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well that's absolutely not true.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean there's like we know that like fevers are

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<v Speaker 3>dangerous for young children and pregnant people.

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<v Speaker 4>It's yeah, I don't, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's just total made up bullshit, Like it's

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<v Speaker 2>just eugenics, right, Like they're they're like, oh, no, you

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't actually do anything to treat the illnesses because if

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<v Speaker 2>the child is strong, then like they'll go through it

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<v Speaker 2>naturally and they'll become stronger. And it's like, no, that's eugenics. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>This goes for the pregnancy of it all too, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's about being able to suffer and enduring. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>the same case, the same kind of like puritanical survival

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<v Speaker 3>of the fittest eugenic shit, whether you're talking about pregnancy

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<v Speaker 3>or you're talking about like literally young children who have fevers,

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<v Speaker 3>same same like approach.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. This also links directly back to what they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do here, right, because the thing that they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do is get rid of autistic people. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want there to be children born with autism. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and in order to do this, they are willing to

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<v Speaker 2>not take vaccines, they are willing to well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, I guess I guess I should say not

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<v Speaker 2>letting pregnant people take TYL and all is really truly

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<v Speaker 2>the most some of you must die. But that's sacrifice

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<v Speaker 2>I'm willing to make thing that I've ever seen. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, it's absolutely hideous there. It's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>these people, they don't want autistic kids to be born,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And that's also just straight up part of

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<v Speaker 2>the eugenics thing that the project that they're doing. Right

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<v Speaker 2>there's on the one hand, the sort of pure survival

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<v Speaker 2>of the fittest, fuck them kids, let them just die

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<v Speaker 2>of fevers, and then on the other hand there's the

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<v Speaker 2>just active like, oh, we're just gonna do all this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that we think will just make it there not

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<v Speaker 2>be autistic kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they definitely care more about their being less

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<v Speaker 3>autistic children than there are about actually, like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>addressing infant mortality. Yeah, and it's definitely it's treating autism

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<v Speaker 3>as in something that can be prevented by the choice

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<v Speaker 3>of the parents, as opposed to it just being something

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<v Speaker 3>that some people are born that way. Also, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>same with being queer and trans and all these things.

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<v Speaker 3>It's this idea that you can like choose it that

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<v Speaker 3>you can, like, if the parents are strong enough and

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<v Speaker 3>they can endure enough pain and they can suffer enough,

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<v Speaker 3>and if they, you know, make the right choices, then

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<v Speaker 3>they can avoid having a child with autism. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>not really that dissimilar than like, oh, what to do

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<v Speaker 3>if you like have a queer child, a trans child.

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<v Speaker 3>It's this idea that like that is something that can

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<v Speaker 3>be controlled and eliminated, which is eugenics, which is you know,

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<v Speaker 3>as you've been saying, so definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, do you know what isn't eugenics?

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<v Speaker 4>The products and services? I would really hope, so fucking hope.

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<v Speaker 2>I really I don't know. I cannot. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what these ads are going to be if they are eugenics,

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<v Speaker 2>let us know at I write okay on Twitter in

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<v Speaker 2>blue sky Actually I don't know if you still on Twitter,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea, but on their in ages, woo,

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<v Speaker 2>these ads. We are back. So let's talk about specifically

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<v Speaker 2>the don't use Thailand all of it all. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>talk a bit about just like the importance of thailand

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<v Speaker 2>all and pain management for pregnant people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I've bet like there's definitely probably people out

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<v Speaker 3>there who are like, why tail and all? Why did

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<v Speaker 3>they choose this? Like where did this come from? Is

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<v Speaker 3>it because Trump can't say a sentimenaphin? You know a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people have been you know, speculating, And first off,

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<v Speaker 3>I do want to say that autism predates tile and all,

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<v Speaker 3>like oh, like thilan all like came to be in

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<v Speaker 3>like the nineteen fifties, and you know, autism existed before

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<v Speaker 3>that and has probably already always been around to some degree,

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<v Speaker 3>which we don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's a very complex and we're still you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's been so much stigma around it for so long

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<v Speaker 3>that it's difficult to talk about. But thilanol is basically

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<v Speaker 3>one of the only pain medications that pregnant people can take,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why it's til and all. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>that is the way of looking at this, where it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>why did they single out this medication? And it's because

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<v Speaker 3>it's the only pain medication that a pregnant person can take,

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<v Speaker 3>because as we know, there's other pain medications. Like the

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<v Speaker 3>end SAIDs like hyberprofen and nepoxen, and then of course

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<v Speaker 3>there's opioids, which is obviously not good during pregnancy the course,

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<v Speaker 3>talk to your doctor, because I'm not a doctor. You

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<v Speaker 3>should always get this from doctors. Talk to your obgian

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<v Speaker 3>but en sets are typically not recommended in the last

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<v Speaker 3>three months of pregnancy because they can cause issues with

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<v Speaker 3>amniotic fluid and baby's kidneys and things like that. So

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<v Speaker 3>it is typically recommended that you avoid iyboprofen and other

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<v Speaker 3>things like that, and you take tile and all to

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<v Speaker 3>reduce fevers, to reduce pain. Obviously, there is a lot

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<v Speaker 3>to be sick with when you're pregnant.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of source of pain.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Fever and headaches are definitely something that pregnant

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<v Speaker 3>people experience. But pretty much like because it is the

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<v Speaker 3>only pain medication that pregnant people can take, then it's

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<v Speaker 3>really easy to be like, oh, well, what are they taking?

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<v Speaker 3>This is what they're taking, and then you can go

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<v Speaker 3>from there. And this is very much coming from It

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<v Speaker 3>feels so weird saying this coming from like a biblical

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<v Speaker 3>sense of like Eve in the Apple, Eve is the

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<v Speaker 3>original sinner. I think, I don't know, like you know,

0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.320
<v Speaker 3>Eve did the bad thing. So Eve needs to suffer

0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.960
<v Speaker 3>during pregnancy. All women need to suffer during pregnancy. That

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<v Speaker 3>is a very much like a very biblical take on this,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that is kind of why why tile

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<v Speaker 3>and all, because it's what pregnant people are taking to

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<v Speaker 3>reduce pain and to address views.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I want to read a quote from the

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<v Speaker 2>Commissioner of the FDA that he gave while he was

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<v Speaker 2>speaking about this, where he says, quote, when my wife

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<v Speaker 2>was pregnant and delivered our son a few months ago,

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<v Speaker 2>they pushed her to take a seat of metapine for

0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.439
<v Speaker 2>a low grade fever. She said no, And then they

0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.679
<v Speaker 2>looked at me and I said, absolutely no. I'm also

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<v Speaker 2>here to announce good news today. The FDA is filing

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<v Speaker 2>a Federal registered notice to change the label on an

0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:52.319
<v Speaker 2>exciting treatment called prescription lokovin so it can be available

0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the children with autism. So you could see, like how

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<v Speaker 2>casually is do like just doing this like no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no, no no. Yeah, Like I'm really proud of my wife

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<v Speaker 2>for saying no to taking tyle lenol for a fever,

0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.280
<v Speaker 2>and like they also look look at this and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the like, oh, they pushed her to take a

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<v Speaker 2>seat of medaphine for a low grade fever. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>that's an extremely normal thing for a doctor to say

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<v Speaker 2>to you, Like, take tailanol for your fever is like

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<v Speaker 2>the least like medically invasive thing a doctor can possibly recommend.

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<v Speaker 2>Like what are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's really basic medicine. And also like there's like

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<v Speaker 3>there's a ways to profit off of this too, because

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<v Speaker 3>if you can't take any pain medication when you're pregnant,

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<v Speaker 3>but you can take I think they were recommending something

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<v Speaker 3>like I don't even know it was like something fallic

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<v Speaker 3>acid thingy. They were recommending that you take something which

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<v Speaker 3>obviously now can be like profit off of and sold.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a very capitalist, very grifter approach to medicine

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<v Speaker 3>and healthcare because obviously, always talk to your doctor and

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<v Speaker 3>your obgian about taking any medication when you're pregnant, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>talk to your doctor.

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<v Speaker 4>They're going to be the best source of information.

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<v Speaker 2>So the folic acid thing is a lekoverin, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a medicine for anemia and counteracting the effects of chemotherapy meds.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's specifically like, oh, this will stop your

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<v Speaker 2>children from having autism. Okay, no it won't.

0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.680
<v Speaker 4>No, no, no no.

0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:26.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean like there are there are respected organizations speaking

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<v Speaker 3>up right now kind of like about like the facts,

0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.600
<v Speaker 3>about the studies, about what's real. So there's like Physicians

0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.520
<v Speaker 3>for Reproductive Health, you know, saying like there's decades of

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<v Speaker 3>study of studies of thailand all being safe to take

0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.120
<v Speaker 3>during pregnancy. There's ACOG, which is a big professional membership

0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:46.480
<v Speaker 3>organization of like tens of thousands of obgyns saying like, hey,

0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.680
<v Speaker 3>thailand all is safe during pregnancy. So there's been decades

0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.600
<v Speaker 3>of studies on tailanol use and pregnancy. Some of the

0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.440
<v Speaker 3>studies published in the Journal of the American Medical Association

0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.080
<v Speaker 3>that says how safe it is is, so like it

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<v Speaker 3>is it is, it is safe. It is absolutely one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred percent safe to take to treat pain and fever

0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.000
<v Speaker 3>during pregnancy. So, like you know, in terms of like

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<v Speaker 3>who can you look to, like, definitely look at the

0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.320
<v Speaker 3>obgyns right now and what they're saying and the physicians

0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.000
<v Speaker 3>and these respective organizations, because they're going to tell you

0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.360
<v Speaker 3>the truth. But the problem is that that this information

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<v Speaker 3>is not reaching the public.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and instead, yeah, they're just getting the President of

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<v Speaker 2>the United States and all of these just weird conspiracy

0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.600
<v Speaker 2>people that they've installed as the people running the US

0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:35.280
<v Speaker 2>medical establishment, being like, oh no, actually this is really

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<v Speaker 2>bad for you for reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's all very vague, it's not really backed by

0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.800
<v Speaker 3>like decades of medical research. And like also too, there's

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<v Speaker 3>so many people who have not taken any medication during

0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.560
<v Speaker 3>pregnancy and they still have children who are autistic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just like it's just absolutely ridiculous. And like

0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.000
<v Speaker 2>any way you look at the number, like in terms

0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.240
<v Speaker 2>of you know, if you look at like the increasing

0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.040
<v Speaker 2>race of tile and all usage by pregnant people versus

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<v Speaker 2>like autistic kids, it's not like the timely usage goes

0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:14.040
<v Speaker 2>up way higher and then the artistic numbers don't change

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<v Speaker 2>that much relative to it. It's just like it's all

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<v Speaker 2>just the nonsense.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so there is the eugenics of it all, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's also the aspect that we've been dealing with with

0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:30.120
<v Speaker 3>the rampant abortion bands and the criminalization of pregnancy that

0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.680
<v Speaker 3>we've been seeing over honestly over the decades. It's about

0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.560
<v Speaker 3>controlling bodies. And like this is also with trans healthcare too,

0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Like it it's about it's about eugenics, about kind of

0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.680
<v Speaker 3>this necropolitics of choosing who lives and dies and being

0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.120
<v Speaker 3>able to choose everything about a person's body, even how

0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.960
<v Speaker 3>they're just stated, you know, like oh, the parents shouldn't

0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.400
<v Speaker 3>take this and they shouldn't do this, And then it

0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:56.560
<v Speaker 3>opens up when it comes to control and surveillance and

0:16:56.600 --> 0:17:00.720
<v Speaker 3>criminalization of a pregnant person that can go in so

0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.120
<v Speaker 3>many different directions because you know they're telling you not

0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.280
<v Speaker 3>to take tile, and al if they just randomly chose tilanol,

0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.199
<v Speaker 3>they can randomly choose anything. They could talk about epidurals,

0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.399
<v Speaker 3>because there is like this idea that you should suffer

0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:15.160
<v Speaker 3>and that you shouldn't treat fever and that you should

0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.359
<v Speaker 3>experience pain during pregnancy, just like that one quote that

0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.639
<v Speaker 3>you shared about his wife. So they're going to like

0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:25.040
<v Speaker 3>start targeting other things. And also there's already so much

0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.879
<v Speaker 3>criticism and control and judgment and stigma over things like

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<v Speaker 3>if you're working while you're pregnant, if you're drinking coffee

0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:37.320
<v Speaker 3>while you're pregnant, if you're eating certain things. There's already

0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:41.080
<v Speaker 3>so much like policing over pregnant bodies without even touching

0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.240
<v Speaker 3>on abortion. But like they're also trying to control how

0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.719
<v Speaker 3>you even dispose of pregnancies, like if you're looking at

0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.720
<v Speaker 3>the states that are requiring you to call the police

0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.639
<v Speaker 3>if you have a miscarriage, so that it's like they

0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.720
<v Speaker 3>want to control how you miscarry, how you have an abortion.

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<v Speaker 3>Worth noting too, because this is absolutely connected to abortion

0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.239
<v Speaker 3>and abortion pills. If the government is coming out and

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<v Speaker 3>saying that taile and all causes autism and it's not

0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.520
<v Speaker 3>safe to take while you're pregnant or to use to

0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:10.119
<v Speaker 3>treat a fever in young children, then they can also

0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.920
<v Speaker 3>say things like the abortion pill is not safe because

0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.720
<v Speaker 3>they've been trying to get the FDA to take away

0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:21.040
<v Speaker 3>the approval of Mithipristoe saying that it's dangerous. And you know,

0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:22.399
<v Speaker 3>if they're going to say that tail and all is

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<v Speaker 3>dangerous and causes autism, then it's like it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be so easy for them to say that the abortion

0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:28.880
<v Speaker 3>pill is deadly as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And they've already been doing this with vaccines in terms

0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.040
<v Speaker 2>of like like they've they've been restricting access to vaccines

0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.119
<v Speaker 2>to people without pre existing conditions, which admittedly is a

0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of people. Like the list of pre existing conditions

0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.320
<v Speaker 2>is really long and you should just try to get

0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.760
<v Speaker 2>them anyways. But like, yeah, like this isn't a hypothetical.

0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.399
<v Speaker 2>They are already doing this with vaccines, a thing that

0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.280
<v Speaker 2>we do all need in order to not get horribly

0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.919
<v Speaker 2>sick and die from plagues, a thing which there are

0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:54.920
<v Speaker 2>many of right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think that this definitely goes to show

0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:02.640
<v Speaker 3>how topics like abortion and early pregnancy loss and miscarriage

0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.760
<v Speaker 3>and abortions later in pregnancy, like the way they've been

0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:10.280
<v Speaker 3>talking about this has spread to all aspects of pregnancy,

0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.200
<v Speaker 3>and it's spreading to other areas too, Like so when

0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:17.320
<v Speaker 3>we haven't addressed the bands and the stigma and the criminalization,

0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.280
<v Speaker 3>it's been spreading. It's spread to vaccines, it's spreading to

0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.800
<v Speaker 3>trans healthcare. It's just it's just I feel like I've

0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.280
<v Speaker 3>been watching this black hole just grow and grow and

0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.920
<v Speaker 3>grow over the years and just take away our access

0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.760
<v Speaker 3>to these to these really basic medical things. And yeah,

0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:38.520
<v Speaker 3>like I just see, like we let it happen with

0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.280
<v Speaker 3>abortion and then now all of a sudden, now we

0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:44.600
<v Speaker 3>can't take tail and all during pregnancy because it caused autism. Yep,

0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:58.600
<v Speaker 3>there's so much to say about the eugenics and autism

0:19:58.640 --> 0:19:59.280
<v Speaker 3>aspect of this.

0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.200
<v Speaker 4>So much to say more than like we can say

0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:02.960
<v Speaker 4>right now.

0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Don't worry. There will be another episode of this show

0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:11.080
<v Speaker 2>about yeah, with some doctors next week probably.

0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.840
<v Speaker 3>It's like focusing right now on like pregnancy and policing

0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:21.119
<v Speaker 3>pregnant bodies and tailanol and pain management and what's real

0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.720
<v Speaker 3>the fact that TAILANL is safe to take while pregnant

0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:26.560
<v Speaker 3>and doesn't cause autism.

0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:28.320
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's really dwelling on that.

0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.199
<v Speaker 3>But like there is a lot to say, There's a

0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.480
<v Speaker 3>lot to say about the implications of this, where like

0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.680
<v Speaker 3>where this came from in our society and where it's going.

0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:38.000
<v Speaker 4>And it's all really horrifying.

0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:42.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's it's exceptionally bleak. But I do think

0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.119
<v Speaker 2>and this is I think a theme we're going to

0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.760
<v Speaker 2>be returning to a lot in the coming days and weeks.

0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.560
<v Speaker 2>But like, the only silver lining for this is that

0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.280
<v Speaker 2>this ship is not popular. It's just not People hate it.

0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:00.320
<v Speaker 2>People hate the administration. They have been hating the station.

0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Every day it goes by, they hate it more, you know,

0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:05.840
<v Speaker 2>And this is part of the control strategy, right, part

0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:09.960
<v Speaker 2>of the reason why they're making these incredibly draconian moves

0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:13.200
<v Speaker 2>into like authoritarian moves into the domestic spheres, because it's

0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.240
<v Speaker 2>a way of suppressing descent, and they have to do that.

0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:18.720
<v Speaker 2>They have to suppress dessense, and they have to take

0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 2>things from us, and they have to continue to try

0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.639
<v Speaker 2>to just beat everyone into submission because they can't do

0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.280
<v Speaker 2>it through actual persuasion. What they have is the violence

0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.520
<v Speaker 2>of the state, and they're going to try to keep

0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.439
<v Speaker 2>doing that. But the violence of the state only functions

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.800
<v Speaker 2>insofar as people allow it to function, you know, And

0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:39.080
<v Speaker 2>this has always been sort of the secret of the

0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:41.639
<v Speaker 2>United States, which is that like a bunch of the

0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.000
<v Speaker 2>things that they're doing, or they're attacked as that cracked

0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.639
<v Speaker 2>downs that they're attempting to do, are effectively unenforceable because

0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:51.600
<v Speaker 2>people simply refuse to cooperate with them. And you know,

0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 2>this is a field well, I mean, I don't know

0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.240
<v Speaker 2>until they just straight up ban tile and all. This

0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:58.160
<v Speaker 2>is a thing where I guess we're mostly just trying

0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:01.800
<v Speaker 2>to spread information. But like the things that they do

0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.359
<v Speaker 2>can be opposed, and when people oppose them on mass,

0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 2>they lose. And I don't know, I want to give

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:10.800
<v Speaker 2>people a little tiny bit of hope.

0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:11.880
<v Speaker 4>You want to be positive.

0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:17.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So the deterioration of public health in the United

0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:19.360
<v Speaker 3>States is absolutely state violence.

0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Focusing on thaile andol and stigmatizing autism and people with

0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:29.679
<v Speaker 3>autism is like distracting from so many things that are

0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.119
<v Speaker 3>actual public health emergencies. So when they're talking about pregnancy,

0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.879
<v Speaker 3>they're talking about tilenel and autism. There are so much

0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.960
<v Speaker 3>more severe things going on in the United States right

0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.359
<v Speaker 3>now when it comes to both the health of pregnant

0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:48.119
<v Speaker 3>people and infants. So there's the Black maternal mortality crisis,

0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:52.159
<v Speaker 3>which is so severe in so many states that is

0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.760
<v Speaker 3>just constantly, like abortion bands have made that even worse.

0:22:55.000 --> 0:23:00.000
<v Speaker 3>There's terrible infant mortality rates rising in states. So for example,

0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 3>Mississippi declared infant dense and emergency because they halted that

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 3>CDC information data collection program. So Mississippi declared a public

0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:16.120
<v Speaker 3>health emergency from rising informortality. And there's also, I mean,

0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.439
<v Speaker 3>I believe that the abortion bands are a medical crisis

0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:23.760
<v Speaker 3>as well. And there's also huge obgyn deserts in this country,

0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:27.199
<v Speaker 3>Like we're seeing like the loss of obgyn health providers

0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 3>where people can't access a obgyn for miles and miles

0:23:32.320 --> 0:23:36.200
<v Speaker 3>and miles and there's just entirely a lack of providers.

0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:41.399
<v Speaker 3>These are all very very serious public health emergencies, and

0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:43.240
<v Speaker 3>yet they're talking about autism.

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, and also as such as they're talking about

0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:48.560
<v Speaker 2>is they're making all of these crises worse, like specifically

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 2>the opgyn crisis. It's like, yeah, I don't know, they've

0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:53.720
<v Speaker 2>been kicking a bunch of people off of their access

0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.520
<v Speaker 2>to of their access to government insurance, and like what

0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.640
<v Speaker 2>does that do? Oh wait, hold on, It just absolutely

0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:02.119
<v Speaker 2>and nice relates the income and revenue base of a

0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:04.359
<v Speaker 2>bunch of hospitals that already like weren't making much money

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<v Speaker 2>in rural areas, and so more of them close because

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<v Speaker 2>they lease their revenue sources, and suddenly all of these

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<v Speaker 2>crises just continue to get worse.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so we have like this stigmatization of autism, parents

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<v Speaker 3>of autistic children, trans people, trans children, when like they're

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<v Speaker 3>focusing on this and they're vilifying and dog piling and

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<v Speaker 3>stigmatizing and and all of these things these groups. While

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<v Speaker 3>there is this snowballing of crises, the damage already just

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<v Speaker 3>from Roe v. Wade being overturned in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's like been three years and there's just been

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<v Speaker 3>this like cascading just ever increasing the public health disasters

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<v Speaker 3>from it, and yet we're we're stigmatizing vulnerable people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the ways that we've been talking about, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Their ideology is about inflicting suffering on vulnerable people because

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<v Speaker 2>they think that it's good, and that's a thing that's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, i mean just obviously incompatible with public health

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<v Speaker 2>as a concept, which is you know, part of why

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<v Speaker 2>they're sort of dismantling it. Part of it is that

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<v Speaker 2>these people are all like selling their own weird anti

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<v Speaker 2>vaccine grift stuff that they've been selling for years and

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<v Speaker 2>years and years and years, and all of this has

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of come together into just the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>abyss where all everything that was the public health infrastructure

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<v Speaker 2>in this country, which was insufficient to begin with, i'd

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<v Speaker 2>just been disappearing more and more into.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the erosion of our public health. You know, this

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<v Speaker 3>isn't like new, these decades of you know, this coming

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<v Speaker 3>into being where we are right now. But it's been

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<v Speaker 3>really horrible to watch as a healthcare worker, as somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who cares about just like everyone being able to get

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<v Speaker 3>like evidence based care, have access to medical providers, and

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<v Speaker 3>then also the ability to do whatever kind of health

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<v Speaker 3>care they need to be able to do on their

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<v Speaker 3>own as well, to just have this solid medical information.

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<v Speaker 3>And then also like there's the public education of it

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<v Speaker 3>all too, because already, like there's this attack on public education,

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<v Speaker 3>which autistic children need a lot of support in order

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<v Speaker 3>to thrive, and schools are you know, they could be

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<v Speaker 3>equipped to do that where I've seen wonderful programs and

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful education services that really set people up for success.

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<v Speaker 3>And this goes for like everyone obviously, like any child

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<v Speaker 3>is going to benefit from this, but it just it

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<v Speaker 3>makes everything so much worse, Like parents and families and

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<v Speaker 3>just autistic people just don't get enough support period, just

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<v Speaker 3>like trans people as well. And then we're all just

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<v Speaker 3>being thrown under the bus for the capitalist class and

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<v Speaker 3>the elites so they can continue to like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>hide their pedophilia rings and like the whole just the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that they're all like because like what you said

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<v Speaker 3>earlier about rfay, Yeah, these are all a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>child molesters telling us that we're not strong or brave

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<v Speaker 3>enough to endure pain that we can easily treat with

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<v Speaker 3>the medical technology that we have ye, And I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like I normally, I feel like I used to not

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<v Speaker 3>talk like this. I used to not be like child

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<v Speaker 3>molesters in the government, Like I kind of feel like,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm like, this is literally.

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<v Speaker 4>Where we are right now somehow.

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<v Speaker 3>So here I am, like, you know, talking about tile

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<v Speaker 3>and all being safe for pregnant people, tail and all

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<v Speaker 3>not causing autism, and then talking about the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>our government is wrung run by a bunch of pedophiles.

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<v Speaker 3>Not quite where I expected to be if you had

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<v Speaker 3>talked to me like eight years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's really something.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's really wild to be talking about this right now.

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<v Speaker 3>And like we knew this was coming too, Like there's

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<v Speaker 3>been months of whispers where it's like, oh, yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to say til and all causes autism. So like this,

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<v Speaker 3>I knew this was coming somehow. I don't even know how.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just yeah, I feel like it's all very transparent,

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<v Speaker 3>like there's leagues and there's whatever. But I like, I

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<v Speaker 3>knew this was coming for months, and yet here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are, yeah, And I don't know, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's as good for a place to end, unless you

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<v Speaker 2>have anything else you want to make sure you get.

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<v Speaker 3>In I just want to say again that it's safe

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<v Speaker 3>to take tile and all during pregnancy and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>cause autism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely, and tell everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that and share good resources like ACOG acog

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<v Speaker 3>Physicians for Reproductive Health PRH I believe is their initials acronym.

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<v Speaker 2>We will put links to stuff in the description of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and also ask your doctor about medication that you

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<v Speaker 3>should take, whether you're pregnant or not. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>cool to ask your doctor stuff, like, just ask them questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, that is what they are there for.

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