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Speaker 2: Good morning, Sweet world, from the No Dunks podcast and

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Speaker 2: The Athletic. It's the case of the Mysterious Raptors autograph

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Speaker 2: one story told well just today it is April first,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. But I promise what you are about to

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Speaker 2: hear is not a prank. I'm Jay Skeets and joining

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Speaker 2: me from the Best Buy Payphones. We've got task Melis,

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Speaker 2: the Bearded One, Tray Kirby, and our super producer JD

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Speaker 2: the Auzie Leeley so shook by last night's development that

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Speaker 2: he couldn't even bring himself to talk about it. We'll

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Speaker 2: catch up with him later today on our Beach step

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Speaker 2: In podcast. Yes, last night a scandal rocked the NBA

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Speaker 2: Twitter world and tasks you were at the forefront of

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Speaker 2: it all. Why don't you take us back to the

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Speaker 2: night of March thirty first and how this all went down.

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Speaker 1: Will Skates, I've got to take you to the morning

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Speaker 1: of March thirty first first, because the Athletic tweeted, what's

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Speaker 1: the most random piece of sports memorabilia that you own?

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Speaker 1: Drop a photo in the comments. So I went into

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Speaker 1: my IKEA cubby hole wall unit thingam a jig and

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Speaker 1: I started digging. I saw a back to back Toronto

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Speaker 1: Blue Jay's Coca Cola can took a photo of that

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Speaker 1: was gonna drop it in. But that's not too random,

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Speaker 1: not random enough. And I did remember I had this

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Speaker 1: Raptor's program which I purchased in a silent auction signed

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Speaker 1: by Vince Carter. I paid one hundred and twenty five

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Speaker 1: dollars for it. It was a lot of money about

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Speaker 1: twenty two years ago. So I took a photo that

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Speaker 1: dropped it in the comments, and you know, there are

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Speaker 1: some jokes made. The Athletic was very excited. They said, incredible.

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Speaker 1: A friend of the program, Luke Bonner, commented on Charles

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Speaker 1: Oakley's uniform, which is a blank Nick's uniform that they

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Speaker 1: just photoshopped the number out of. Kevin Willis is on

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Speaker 1: the cover, Doug Christie's on the cover, Vince Carter's in

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Speaker 1: the cover from his draft day photo, Tracy McGrady, d Brown,

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Speaker 1: John Wilson, and you know, it was just not a

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Speaker 1: lot of engagement. It wasn't really happy with the amount

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Speaker 1: of engagement that happened initially. But besides that, nothing happened

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Speaker 1: until nine o'clock Eastern. Vince Carter him so retweeted the

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Speaker 1: photo with the caption, hate to be the bearer of

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Speaker 1: bad news. But that's not my signature. That's Alvin Williams' autograph,

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Speaker 1: who is another former raptor not even on the program,

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Speaker 1: but he claims it was Alvin Williams autograph. And then

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Speaker 1: Alvin Williams tweeted, that's not my signature, bro, crying face.

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Speaker 1: Crying face looks like John Wallace's. Then we're I was.

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Speaker 1: I was thrown for a tizzy. I started to look

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Speaker 1: at I started to look at the autograph and I thought, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: Alvin Williams, I mean, that's a pretty weird signature for

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Speaker 1: Alvin Williams. It kind of looks like an A and

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Speaker 1: an L, but then he goes into the right side

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Speaker 1: of the W and then stops on the left side

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Speaker 1: of the W and then has to put his pen

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Speaker 1: back on for the next couple letters. And so I'm

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Speaker 1: totally confused. I thought this was Vince Carter's autograph for decades.

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Speaker 1: It it does look at the like it's a VC.

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Speaker 1: But then everybody started chiming in, Oh, oh, no, you're

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Speaker 1: an idiot. There's a big W in the middle of it.

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Speaker 1: There's no W in Vince Carter's name, which, yeah, hindsight. Sure,

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Speaker 1: for nine hours, no one said a thing, but sure

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Speaker 1: one said a single thing until Vince Carter claimed it

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Speaker 1: wasn't his. And then people started sending me screenshots of

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Speaker 1: John Wallace's autograph, and that looked like an identical match.

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Speaker 1: John Wallace played for the Knicks, played for the Raptors

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Speaker 1: for a little bit, played for another couple teams, and

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Speaker 1: he is on the cover well of this Raptors program.

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Speaker 1: So it's definitely John Wallace's autograph. And that was essentially

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Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have paid one hundred and twenty five dollars.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have. Or even Alvin Williams,

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Speaker 1: who I absolutely lee adored and Raptors fans should have left.

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Speaker 1: He played until his knees fell off, probably hit the

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Speaker 1: He is adored by Raptors fans and I adored him

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Speaker 1: twenty five dollars for Alvin Williams signature at the time either.

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Speaker 1: And that's the scandal that rocked the NBA sort of.

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Speaker 1: It brought a smile to people's faces for a few minutes.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I was laughing so hard a couple of times, because, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like you said, there was the first development of Vince

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Speaker 2: saying hey man, that's not mine and then I think

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Speaker 2: it's Alvin Williams. Okay, that's funny as it is, and

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Speaker 2: then Alvin Williams chiming in, Yeah, I don't think that's

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Speaker 2: crying out loud. I was loving this. Just can we

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Speaker 2: go back from like what you can remember? You said

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Speaker 2: this silent auction. Obviously, I guess in the late nineties,

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Speaker 2: and this didn't come with any sort of certificate. I

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Speaker 2: guess like it wasn't very official, this silent auction.

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Speaker 1: You're one hundred percent correct, seeds, But I do remember

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Speaker 1: asking for a certificate of authenticity. I was. I was

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Speaker 1: smart enough back as a teenager to request the certificate

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Speaker 1: of authenticity. This was at a fundraiser for Marfan syndrome,

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Speaker 1: which my sister worked for. She was it's a nonprofit

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Speaker 1: If you remember Isaiah Austen in twenty fourteen, he was

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Speaker 1: disrupts connective tissue and it affects a lot of tall,

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Speaker 1: signed it, or that's when I purchased it at that

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Speaker 1: at that fundraiser, and I suppose somebody from the Raptors

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Speaker 1: and said, hey, this is Vince Carter's autograph, only without

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Speaker 1: the obviously the knowledge that John Wallace had signed it.

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Speaker 2: So it was one of those auctions that you, I'm

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Speaker 2: sure a lot of people have seen before where the

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Speaker 2: and then you go up and you write your name

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Speaker 2: down right on a on a sheet of paper of

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Speaker 2: your bid. Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Yes? So there's yeah, exactly single sheets in front of

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Speaker 1: every single item. And I went up to this single

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Speaker 1: the time, and the starting bid was suggested at one

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Speaker 1: twenty five, and so I started it off. I was

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Speaker 1: the first and only name on there. I bid one

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Speaker 1: for this John Wallace, Alvin Williams, Vince Carter signature. And

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Speaker 1: that was that. I went home with the program that

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Speaker 1: I still have to this day, and that sharpie is

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Speaker 1: still shining through and you can still see the the

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Speaker 1: VC WL on there now.

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Speaker 3: Tass just to confirm you were allowed to peruse the

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Speaker 3: goods before you put your bid down onto this sheet

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Speaker 3: of paper, right, because one of my favorite comments from

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Speaker 3: last night was somebody who said, was this also a

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Speaker 3: blind auction?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you guys tell me you've looked at it.

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Speaker 1: You know, signatures are basically scribbles.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could definitely.

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Speaker 1: It could definitely be a VC to start. It could

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Speaker 1: be an ER at the end of it. The W

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Speaker 1: is the puzzling yeah in the in the middle of

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Speaker 1: this thing. But it's a weird it's a weird signature

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Speaker 1: for John Wallace as well, Like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: He basically has just signed John wall It looks like

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Speaker 3: there's no US.

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Speaker 2: Yeah is this John Walls signature? Man, that'd be really trippy. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 2: I actually you're right. I mean, now we look at

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Speaker 2: it and go, yeah, there's a damn W in it,

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Speaker 2: Like you were saying, like this definitely isn't Vince Carter.

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Speaker 2: But I hear you on that that first top part

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Speaker 2: looking like a VC, and then and then the idea

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Speaker 2: after his initials. I could maybe buy that story, but otherwise,

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Speaker 2: and I guess now now really when you look at it,

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Speaker 2: he's touching himself on the program, you know, with his

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Speaker 2: Kevin Willis or Tracy McGrady. He you know, he it's

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Speaker 2: hitting I guess it's hitting Dee Brown a little bit

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Speaker 1: But wow, yeah, right, it's incredible. It's sort of it's

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Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle of programs though, right, I mean I

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Speaker 1: it's sort of puzzling. I wouldn't have I didn't even

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Speaker 1: could have been a blind auction. It could have been,

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Speaker 1: for sure. But now looking at it with the Charles

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Speaker 1: they started making these programs. Even Vince Carter is in

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Speaker 1: a jersey that doesn't have a number on it because

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Speaker 1: it's his draft day photo. I assume this is nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety eight, right before the season started. They started making

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Speaker 1: these programs, even before the guys were in uniform. But

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Speaker 1: it was a program for a game for that ninety

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Speaker 1: it's a wild one.

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Speaker 3: Well, the good thing is is that you did get

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Speaker 3: John Wallace's signature at basically the peak of his career,

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Speaker 3: coming off the ninety eight season with the Raptors. Eighty

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Speaker 3: two games, fourteen points per game.

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Speaker 1: That's a career high. YEP.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you ten dollars for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems to be about the going rate for

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Speaker 3: John Wallace autographs on eBay, about ten bucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got some. I got some good comments saying

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Speaker 1: you know that your one hundred and twenty five dollars

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Speaker 1: a day definitely worth it. Now after getting an Alvin

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Speaker 1: Williams and Vince Carter commenting about it, and maybe one

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Speaker 1: day we can get VC and Alvin talking about it

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Speaker 1: on the program as well, do a real deep dive

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Speaker 1: and try and figure out what the heck happened at

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Speaker 1: this at this silent auction. But I was happy to

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Speaker 1: give one hundred and twenty five dollars to the cause. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's worth a couple hundred dollars at this point. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've definitely got my money's worth.

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Speaker 2: So can we confirm? Do we know if John Wallace

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent confirmed it's him, even though we're pretty

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Speaker 1: I do not think so. I I googled it and

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Speaker 1: I've never seen this before, Absolutely not right, Okay, it

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Speaker 1: was just something that I thought Vince Carter took a

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Speaker 1: last night. So the VC thing, as you guys, I'm

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Speaker 2: Right, No, No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I'm hanging up a program.

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Speaker 2: it's just the size of it, like what a sheet

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Speaker 1: It's a standard eight by eleven.

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Speaker 2: It would be a great.

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Speaker 3: Vince Carter, Alvin Williams or John Wallace shrine, sure throw

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Speaker 3: a program up there. But it's probably not a standalone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but now you could take like you could take

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Speaker 1: Definitely got some tweets suggesting that, Yeah, start printing those

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Speaker 2: What is like, have you flipped through the program or

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I have never opened it.

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Speaker 3: My oils from your hands will ruin the program, very dangerous.

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Speaker 2: It's like a comic book.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you say that. And I am pretty astonished

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Speaker 1: It's it's pretty impressive that VC signed at VC. I

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Speaker 2: We VC we yeah, or will I see that too?

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Speaker 2: Do you have any other like Raptors or NBA memorabilia

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Speaker 1: I I went through quickly this other box that I

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Speaker 1: team something to that effect. Yeah. So because I because

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Speaker 1: I met Rick talk at once. Unless that wasn't the real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everything is a sham now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, So there's a Ron Tugnutt, who knows.

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Speaker 1: odd too that going back to the ninety eight ninety

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Speaker 1: the legend that is Vince Carter doesn't have a number

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Speaker 1: I did too. I guess I did too. Snapshot and

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Speaker 1: looking at this thing, you got Tracy McGrady on this

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Speaker 2: I am fascinated by, like where the mistake happened or

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Speaker 2: sending this to the Foundation for their silent auction and

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Speaker 2: they thought like they mistakenly said, oh, here's a signed

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Speaker 2: And then are like John Wallace, who the heck's gonna

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Speaker 2: money for the Foundations? Like really, I mean those I

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Speaker 1: I think there's a third. I wouldn't put the onus

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Speaker 1: come on now, this is a nonprofit for guys, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I think the what was told to the Foundation by

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Speaker 1: Probably they were told that, hey we'll get you Vince

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Speaker 1: person didn't know anything about basketball. I was told My

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Speaker 1: sister did tell me that the organizer had no idea

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Speaker 2: I know, I know Vince is obviously a Raptor's legend,

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Speaker 2: an NBA legend, but I do like that as John

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Speaker 2: Wallace because from what I always remember John Wallace doing

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Speaker 2: I always remember calling that the John Wallace, which he

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Speaker 2: got that going for him, and like Drey said, he

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Speaker 2: Sounds like you got a buyer, Tassy. Yeah, I'm very

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like you and Mike Kaplan, who has

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Speaker 1: have no recollection of that case, but he seems to

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Speaker 2: I really I want this now to be like this,

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Speaker 2: I want this to be like a secret scene in

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Speaker 2: is like hoping it goes for at least what, you know,

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Speaker 1: As long as John Wallace the lawyer doesn't get involved,

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Speaker 2: Any other questions when it comes to this, Trey.

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Speaker 3: Uh, not any other questions just generally I'm kind of

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Speaker 3: over true crime podcasts, but in the quarantine like this,

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Speaker 3: this is exactly the kind of true crime content we need.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure you guys don't have any more questions,

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Speaker 1: but you know, throw some more insults at me. Pretend

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Speaker 1: you're Twitter for a second, because Twitter, absolutely, you know

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Speaker 1: they they confirmed it. They were the captain obvious afterwards

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Speaker 1: There's a huge w in the middle of it. Lots

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Speaker 1: of jokes, the blind auction, as you said, lots of

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Speaker 1: a quick, a quick new joke. Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, you're a you're a good sport.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And Mark sucked. So this was a great way to

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Speaker 2: end the actual body because I was, like I said,

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Speaker 2: in tears, uh seeing this. Come to our agents love this.

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Speaker 2: I mean they were. They were like writing in our

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Speaker 2: WhatsApp group chat, Oh my god, test and Vince Carter

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Speaker 2: says that's not him, And now Alvin Williams says that's

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Speaker 2: not him. So no, no, no, We'll let Twitter come

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Speaker 2: with the hilarious jokes and insults and you fool and

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Speaker 2: stuff like that. This was great, so let's call it there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the case of the mysterious Raptors autograph. It is solved.

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Speaker 2: We think it's John Wallace, but until I hear it

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Speaker 2: from his mouth specifically, who knows it could be anybody's.

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Speaker 2: It's probably Lee Ellis. He likes to sign NBA player's

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Speaker 2: Lee Ellis until John Wallace tells us otherwise. All right.

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Speaker 2: We will have a brand new Beach step In podcast

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Speaker 2: coming up up soon later today here on Wednesday, so

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