WEBVTT - Roundtable Discussion 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.880 All right, who do we get here? We got this pain? Lindsay, No, 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:06.000 it's not the famous pain. Lindsay, it's not. 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:08.280 Actually it's his doppelganger. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:09.360 What do you do on the show? 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:12.520 Nothing, I just you know, I'll let you guys do 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:14.240 all the work and I just take the credit for it, 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.120 you know, preferred method, the Hollywood. 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:21.439 Way to the show. Yeah, welcome to the bonus the 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:22.239 show within the show. 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:26.880 Yeah, the round table, except for it's square. It's well rectangle. 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.600 But yeah, yeah, true, they can see it. Yeah, I 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:32.479 was bad at you can't geometry? 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:34.559 Right? Is that geometry? It is? 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:40.080 I think it's okay. Yeah, Dylan doesn't know for sure. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:40.400 Math. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.480 One thing Dylan's definitely bad at in terms of math 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:45.600 is adding up helium particles. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:47.639 Yeah. Right, turns out there's a lot of them. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:50.960 It turns out you need ten x what you thought 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:51.360 you needed. 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:56.920 We start to fill it up. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:58.280 Is it going in there? 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.560 It's filling, It's looking great. I'm getting really excited. Yeah, 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:12.200 my confidence up percent. This is totally gonna work alright, 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:18.000 really quick. Then all of a sudden, sh the helium 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:19.200 tank just fizzles out. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.080 Didn't think like the whole time that you were driving 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:24.040 that the car was gonna blow up because of these 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:25.680 big ass yeah helium tanks. 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.320 Driving through the mountains in Arizona with the big ass 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.880 helium tank in the back just bouncing around. I cracked 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:34.120 the windows though, So I like how the guy is. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.039 The guy was like, you don't know anything about this, 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.360 and I'm not gonna help you strap this down or anything. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.240 You just throw it. We'll just throw it in there, 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:42.960 let it roll around. It's like, you're an American, you 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:44.600 want to buy some helium? You got it. 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.240 He's like, you've never done this before, right, And you're 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:48.120 like yet correct. 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:49.320 He's like cool, I'm gonna. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.320 Give him some empty fucking canisters at helium then, and 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.960 we're flows on Sundays, So fuck. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:59.200 Off, I'm convincing what happened? Yeah, so what are we 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:04.320 doing today? Well? We should We kind of need to 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:05.520 figure that out. We need to figure out what this 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:07.800 show is going to be about. And when better time 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:09.920 to figure it out than right now? That's true. I 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:14.040 think we should do it on UFOs. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:21.079 Oh yeah, what if we like talked about UFOs as 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:23.480 an after show of the UFO podcast. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:24.760 Just a coincidence? 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:26.600 Smart? 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.320 I dig that? Have you ever seen an alien? 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.200 No, I wish have you seen an alien? 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.720 Maybe I am an alien? Maybe we're all alien? 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:37.040 Pain? 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:38.400 You know, pain is an alien. 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.960 I'd never said that I wasn't an alien. I didn't 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.200 say that I was either, but I didn't say it wasn't. 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:46.520 We'll find out. 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:48.800 Also, what if I was an alien? I just didn't 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:50.880 know it? What if we were all aliens and we 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:51.240 didn't know. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:52.880 It's what I'm saying, it's probably the case. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:54.959 Bring the weed out. Let's let's let's talk about this. 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.240 Maybe we talk about I feel like if you listen 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:03.000 to this podcast asked, then you know, episode one through 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.400 eight we go through different stories with interviews and accounts 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:08.800 from people that we all met and talked to in 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.679 real life. Maybe we just expand on some of those 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.640 stories and talk about I don't know, maybe even some 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.560 of the theories we had that didn't make it into 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:19.839 the end of the story, or a little side note 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:24.639 that might be kind of interesting, you know, yeah, something, Yeah. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.359 I'll start I think, uh, I think his healing take 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:32.520 with was seeking Yeah that episode five six or something? 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:32.680 Ye? 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:33.239 Yeah six. 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.240 The funny part about that is is you were I mean, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.760 it was not for the show. You were very, very 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:44.520 disappointed in yourself. You were upset. I thought it was hilarious, 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:46.400 and I did feel bad for you, and I didn't 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:48.280 laugh in your face, but I was like, this is 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:49.200 so fucking funny. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:50.680 You bought me a drink at the bar later, and 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:52.200 I did helped the lot, I'll say. 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.920 And you you just thought this was over, you know, 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.920 you had you had failed, and I mean you did 0:03:57.920 --> 0:03:59.920 fail on the little part of it, but I was like, no, 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.160 this was like, this was an experiment. 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:04.200 I think that we still use this. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.720 It's actually interesting to me that we put all this time, money, 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.360 and effort into trying to create a hoax and we 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.960 did fail. Now, I think on a round two we 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.960 would undoubtedly put something in the sky that looks like 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.159 a UFO, absolutely. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.880 But it took a It was a trial and error. 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.440 We're in the right spot with the right materials, and 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.680 all kind of weird shit went into it, and we 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.159 couldn't get the fucker off the ground. You know. I 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:33.400 was like, Okay, well, actually that is the story that 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.599 we're putting in there because I think it actually speaks 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:41.240 to you know, like you were saying, I mean, it's 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.880 when you see something weird in the sky. Odds are 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:50.080 it is either some sort of optical illusion or somebody 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.520 you know, went through a lot of effort to put 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.760 it up there to look like that, or maybe it's 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.400 actually something, you know, some sort of anomaly, some sort 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:03.839 of unknown craft. I think, you know, despite our you know, 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.600 failed efforts at getting a UFO in the sky, I 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.320 think we learned the lesson of, hey, maybe some of 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.920 those things you're seeing in the sky are actually weird totally. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:14.640 I mean, that was my big takeaway. You know. It's like, 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.320 as sad as it was to not get it off 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:18.080 the ground, I really, at the end of the day, 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.279 in hindsight, I'm kind of glad we didn't, you know, 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.280 because it taught that better lesson, which is like, there 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.440 is this huge level of effort that goes into making 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.560 these things and making them really work, and we couldn't 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.599 do it. You know, we tried. I tried my damnedest, 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:33.800 I really did. Couldn't do it. And for me, you 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.680 know that that adds some level of credence to a 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.760 lot of these claims of things that float around. You know, 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.880 you see them all the time, and I think it 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:44.280 just it takes away a little bit of people's ability 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.480 to be able to say like, no, that's man made, 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.880 you know, because it's hard. It's really hard to do. Yeah, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.520 And there's really two camps that I've seen on the 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.840 Internet where it's like, you either believe I mean, obviously 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.160 there's gray area, but you you believe in everything that 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.440 you see. Every video no matter how shitty is a UFO, 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.680 or you don't believe in every video no matter how convincing, 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:07.680 is not a UFO, and it can't be a UFO. 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.680 I think we'd like, I don't think anyone should blindly 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.880 believe anything. I think that that is a problematic, especially 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.279 if you're trying to solve something. If you're trying to 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.599 figure something out, you cannot just believe whatever is the 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:25.000 most comfortable for you to believe. That's not a very 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.400 scientific approach to something that has a lot of questions. Still, 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:33.080 so I think that, you know, for high strange I 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:38.520 try to stay as objective as possible and kind of test, 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:40.960 you know, like bringing in someone like Mick West, who 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.120 is known on the Internet as being someone who is 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:48.200 a major debunker of claims, and from what I can tell, 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.000 most of the time he's right. You know, there's a 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.240 lot of things on the Internet that look like something 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.200 and it turns out to be nothing, So you can't 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.760 just blindly believe everything you see. But there are some 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:04.320 stories that are harder to debunk and have never been debunked, 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.960 and that was kind of my focus on when it 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:11.280 came to picking the stories and the cases to cover 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.800 in the series. I wanted to focus on those the 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.280 most because those are the ones that still have a 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.880 lot of questions to them and maybe if we just 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.520 attempt to find some answers to those, we'll learn more 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.200 about it in that process. So let's just start with 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.720 episode one, right, which was kind of an introduction to 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.120 the series, but we touched on Roswell for a second, 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:39.480 and to be honest, I always thought Roswell was totally 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.440 just some bullshit, you know, because that's the one you 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:47.000 hear all the time, you know, Roswell, New Mexico, And like, 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.680 you know, for years people have thought that a spaceship 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:52.280 crashed there, but they've never. 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:53.800 Been able to prove it. 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.720 So I was like, you know, this is just one 0:07:55.760 --> 0:08:00.520 of those urban legends at this point. But as I 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:06.400 went through all the information, I realized that undoubtedly something 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:09.760 had to have happened because of the response that was there. 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:16.240 There's no way that this flimsy, tiny weather balloon that 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:20.800 looks like I mean tinfoil fell in the middle of 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:25.240 the desert and caused all this uproar that wouldn't make 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.440 any sense. No one would even know about it. Something 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.040 had to have happened to spark the attention. Now, maybe 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.920 it went you know, the game of telephone went too 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.640 far over the years, and it wasn't as crazy as 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.240 we thought. But there's no way that it was just 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:45.400 this flimsy, tinfoil looking weather balloon, and then that's it. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.640 If it was that clear cut, I wouldn't be talking 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.000 about it right now. And so to me that was interesting. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:56.280 Just going back, you'd have to say that all these 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.520 people are lying. So many people, and I bet some 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.360 of them are lying, but power and numbers. You get 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:06.560 enough people saying something, it makes you at least want 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:13.000 to listen and dissect it some more and consider it 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.360 as an option. I mean, what was your take on 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:16.720 the Roswell incident. 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.600 I mean, I was kind of the same way I 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.719 guess I was. I leaned towards not believing it. I 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:25.440 didn't I didn't think it was complete bullshit like growing up, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.760 but I was like, you know, there's a big chance 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.200 that never happened and that was not real or anything 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.680 like that. But yeah, like you said, which happened with 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.839 a lot of the stories. Researching these stories for this show, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.440 there was so many times where I was like, Wow, 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.320 the further I dive into this, the more I believe it, 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.640 the more like circumstantial evidence adds up that I'm like, wow, 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.959 this hold on. There's affidavits of people who were there. 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.880 There's a rancher that's all part of the crash. Then 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.679 there's another person like I think a mile or two 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.240 away that had some in his in his yard or whatever. 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.000 And it's the more you read about you're like, well, 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.600 wait a minute. The Army put out a broadcast saying 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.360 that they recovered a flying disc, and it's like, why 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:10.160 would they do that if? Is that misinformation? And then 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.440 that goes too far into conspiracy world where it's like, 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.920 that's a crazier conspiracy to me than the Roswell crash 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:17.040 and it being. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:20.840 I feel like, you know, the original broadcast that they 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.400 recovered a flying disc either, that was just a mistake 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:28.120 in terms of how they described it, just an innocent like, 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.679 why'd you say disc? And then it became some huge 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:34.600 thing after that or it was the truth. I don't 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.120 think that was I think it was nothing deeper than that. 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:42.760 But you'd you'd you'd want to think if the military 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:47.360 is putting out a statement, you know, to concerned citizens 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:52.320 of New Mexico and beyond of this crash that happened 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.280 in the desert, that they would get the wording right 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:03.720 because a disc is extremely different than a tenfoil flimsy balloon. 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:05.360 Right, So. 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:09.120 I don't know, But you also make the argument that 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.880 you know, somebody flubbed and you know, just used a 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.600 word that maybe they shouldn't have, not thinking that it 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:19.480 would not thinking it would cause some crazy conspiracy theories 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:20.600 for decades after that. 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:22.679 And it's just as simple as that. 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.559 But then you'd also have to add in that all 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:32.200 these people would follow suit and create this narrative that's 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.880 all bullshit, but somehow connects to itself. 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.240 This is back in when was it was it? 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:42.199 Okay, nine, I've got some dates for you. So this 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.920 happened July of nineteen forty seven, right, yeah, okayeah forty 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:50.959 seven Okay, And then air Force was created in September 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:55.920 of forty seven. It seems strange to me that, you know, 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.440 it was all like Army I think originally, and then 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.800 they're like, let's make a specialized branch. I'm sure they 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:02.960 had a type of air force that was like the 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:04.959 Army Air Force or whatever. Like how they have the 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:08.079 Navy Air Force or whatever, the Air Force Navy. I 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.600 don't know. I'm not good with the military. But creating 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.760 a specialized branch for the air Force the same year 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:17.760 as Roswell seems strange to me, Like, I don't know, 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:19.439 And wasn't the guy at Area fifty one he just 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.320 kept talking about nineteen forty seven and how like special 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:23.040 that date was. 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:28.200 Yeah, I mean, also it's nineteen forty seven. It's like 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:31.120 today in twenty twenty three. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:36.640 If somebody's creating a hoax or going around, you know, 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:42.120 spreading some lie that they experienced something extraterrestrial or paranormal, 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:47.200 they're usually attention seeking people, right There are people who 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.920 are trying to get your attention, and there's so many 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:51.560 ways to do that. 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:51.800 Now. 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.080 You can write a tweet, you can go on Instagram live, 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.679 you can go on a talk show, you can you know, 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.600 write a book all kind of shita. Then if you're 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:04.319 living in some small town of Roswell in New Mexico, 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.840 which I've been there, it's still small. 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.760 It had to have been even smaller back then, way smaller. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.840 You're like yelling into a void that something crazy happened. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.240 I just don't see if you were doing that to 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:22.720 get attention. I just don't see how they would even 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.080 have got that attention back then. It would have just 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:29.480 been very unsatisfying for someone who, you know, would be 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:31.960 making it up for their own gratification. 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.200 Yeah, to what end, you know, me to what ends? 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.720 Right at the time, you know, just sad the stage 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.960 in the nineteen forties, late nineteen forties, we enter World 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.120 War Two in like the peak of it is like 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.520 nineteen forty five, nineteen forty six, you know, so you're 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.400 seeing the beginning of the Great the second Great War. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.760 The whole world is changed by this. But the first time, 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.560 at least an American pop culture that you start to 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.040 hear these accounts of these flying discs. You know, this 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.360 term flying disc came from I'm just a random pilot 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:04.560 in America who was flying over some mountains somewhere in 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:09.200 you know, the Midwest, and you know, made a report 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.560 that he saw like a fleet of flying saucer shaped 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.960 like plate shaped discs that were just flying around like 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.360 in a V shape, you know, which is a weird 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:20.720 thing for a pilot to say, especially at that time. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.320 It's really bizarre. But then you can see how something 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.440 like that which might blow up in popular culture in 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.440 nineteen forty five, when granted, there's not a lot of 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.800 really interesting things happen in nineteen forty five, at least 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.240 media wise. You know, you mean, it wasn't cool in 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.280 nineteen forty five, You wouldn't think so. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.600 Actu's quite cooler because there's less bullshit to deal with 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:41.240 on the Internet. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.680 Sure, it didn't exist, there was no Internet. Yeah, but 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.560 I mean you can imagine, you know, how how pop 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.560 culture would take this idea of something like a flying 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:52.000 disc and then just kind of run rampant with it. 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:53.680 And you could see how that could spread over a 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.160 year or two to where nineteen forty seven, all of 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.160 a sudden, the military is somebody in the military, some 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.800 media rep in the middle. Arry says, we've maybe we 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.400 finally saw this enigma of these flying discs that have 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.760 been in our airspace during World War Two they are 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.000 called the foo fighters, and pilots all over the world 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.080 saw these things and they called them the flying discs 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.400 foo fighters at the times, well before UFO was a term. 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.160 So you can imagine that the army might get a 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.360 hold of something like this and say, we've recovered one 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.120 of these flying discs. Maybe we can now get to 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:20.960 the very bottom of it. 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:25.600 Oh shit, idea, was just touch this remote? I touched it, 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:26.160 I breathed. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.600 I don't know which one? Oh whoa? All right, what woo? 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.280 Moving around getting all excited talking about aliens. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:37.040 Here's the thing. You have an excellent point on Roswell. 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:44.000 I think undoubtedly that all these reports of flying discs 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:49.560 happening in the forties and in that timeframe have over 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:57.080 time influenced the Hollywood trope image of a UFO flying 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:04.800 saucer and probably not probably probably definitely influenced people's accounts 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.720 of seeing stuff that is odd in the sky. But 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:16.320 I also think that it simultaneously exists with a real phenomena. 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.680 They can both be true. That's the thing. 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:23.600 I think that all these stories have influenced what people 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:27.200 claim to see, and I would say, for probably even 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:33.240 a majority of weird sightings, they're probably something super normal. 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:38.000 But I think there are some that are not easily 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:42.920 explained away that could likely be extraterrestrials or some other 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:44.640 intelligence beyond Earth. 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.560 And it's not that black and white. 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.240 It's easier to look at this topic of UFOs and 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:56.080 aliens in a very black and white sense, but I 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:57.240 don't think it's that simple. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:02.080 You know, it can all be true as well. 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:04.720 It could be true that a lot of them are fake, 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:07.160 and it could be true that some of them are real. 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:11.360 And if you're someone who doesn't want to believe, you're 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.760 going to focus on the ones that are easily debunked. 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.679 If you're someone who wants to believe, you're going to 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.439 focus on the other ones. But it's like, how do 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:23.399 we like meet in the middle and recognize that they 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:27.480 both can coexist and that there likely is something else 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.920 that we haven't been able to scientifically explain yet that 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:36.280 we'll probably be explained at some point in human history. 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:36.960 I hope. 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.400 So I really I didn't stay our lifetime. 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.720 I just said human history, which I hope that's you 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:43.040 know that we're a part of that one. 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.639 But shit, it could be a long time. I have 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:46.159 no idea. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.520 It could be. It could be tomorrow. That's what they 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.200 say on Twitter. It's coming soon. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.200 You just wait. I actually know everything. I'm just parsoning 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:54.560 it out. 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.320 Oh that's right. Yeah, some insiders reached out to you recently, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:58.120 right they did. 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.840 Yeah, the men in black visit. It's hit my house. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:04.639 They were super cool. We had cocktails, spoke cigars and 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.040 we just kind of shot the shit, right, and uh yeah, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.960 they told me everything. But they said, hey, look, don't 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.160 tell them all at once. String them along a little bit, right, 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:19.280 Tell them every day that something big is coming next, 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.000 and say that until you die. Yeah, and then right 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.600 before you die, say some shit and then make up 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.240 the rest and then just confuse everybody. 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:29.760 And everybody will say it was a deathbed confession, so 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:30.480 it must be the truth. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:31.240 It has to be the truth. 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:32.760 Yeah. 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.240 Those always confuse me though, that the deathbed confession, Like 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.040 it's that you're like last two road, I'd be like, 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.200 before I take my last breath, I'm gonna fuck with 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.160 y'all so hard, I'm gonna say some crazy shit. 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:46.879 It's not a bad way to go. 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:50.359 All Aliens and roswal You're like, Okay, what the hell, dude, Like, 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:52.000 he's not even alive. 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.400 To get a kick out of that. 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.680 I was always like, when I'm old, when I'm ninety 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:00.359 years old in hospice or whatever, if I make there, 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:04.080 I'm gonna do heroin. That was always my thing, which 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.479 I don't know why what. It's like, Well, what's going 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:11.880 to happen? You're gonna die? Who cares? Right, that's true, 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.159 that's true. Yeah, I want to I want to try it. 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:18.040 Yeah, if you're like ninety years old or above and 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.920 you're in your deathbed, every drug should be legal. 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:22.040 They should. 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.280 The doctors should go in there with this briefcase like 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.920 out of pulp fiction and be like, what you want 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:30.680 any of it? All of it, and they'll say, hey, 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.880 this one might kill you, and they're like, that's all good. 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.879 If you don't want to die yet, then maybe they 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:38.520 shouldn't do that. But you should able to sign a 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.159 waiver that says, yeah, like I want to try LSD 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:44.520 or you know whatever. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.680 I want to do LSD and heroin if I'm on 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:48.960 my deathbed same time time. 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.239 You might solve all the world's problems, but then you die, 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:52.880 so you wouldn't. 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:53.960 Yeah, what matter? 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.320 It'd be a fun last ten minutes if I make 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:56.800 it that long. 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:57.679 So let's go. 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.439 Let's jump from episode one to episode two. Travis Walden 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:03.560 is the entire episode pretty much. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:05.680 How long has it been there? 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:15.800 Forty five years? Forty five years and three months. 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.280