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Speaker 1: it's not the famous pain. Lindsay, it's not.

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Speaker 2: Actually it's his doppelganger.

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Speaker 1: What do you do on the show?

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Speaker 3: Nothing, I just you know, I'll let you guys do

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Speaker 3: all the work and I just take the credit for it,

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Speaker 3: you know, preferred method, the Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Way to the show. Yeah, welcome to the bonus the

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Speaker 1: show within the show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the round table, except for it's square. It's well rectangle.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, true, they can see it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: was bad at you can't geometry?

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Speaker 2: Right? Is that geometry? It is?

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Speaker 3: I think it's okay. Yeah, Dylan doesn't know for sure.

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Speaker 1: Math.

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Speaker 3: One thing Dylan's definitely bad at in terms of math

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Speaker 3: is adding up helium particles.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, turns out there's a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: It turns out you need ten x what you thought

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Speaker 1: We start to fill it up.

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Speaker 1: It's filling, It's looking great. I'm getting really excited. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my confidence up percent. This is totally gonna work alright,

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Speaker 1: really quick. Then all of a sudden, sh the helium

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Speaker 1: The guy was like, you don't know anything about this,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna help you strap this down or anything.

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Speaker 1: You just throw it. We'll just throw it in there,

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Speaker 1: let it roll around. It's like, you're an American, you

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Speaker 1: want to buy some helium? You got it.

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Speaker 3: He's like, you've never done this before, right, And you're

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Speaker 2: He's like cool, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 3: Give him some empty fucking canisters at helium then, and

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Speaker 3: we're flows on Sundays, So fuck.

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Speaker 1: Off, I'm convincing what happened? Yeah, so what are we

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Speaker 1: doing today? Well? We should We kind of need to

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Speaker 1: figure that out. We need to figure out what this

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Speaker 1: show is going to be about. And when better time

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what if we like talked about UFOs as

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Speaker 3: an after show of the UFO podcast.

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Speaker 1: Just a coincidence?

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Speaker 2: Smart?

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Speaker 1: I dig that? Have you ever seen an alien?

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Speaker 2: No, I wish have you seen an alien?

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Speaker 1: Maybe I am an alien? Maybe we're all alien?

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Speaker 3: Pain?

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Speaker 1: You know, pain is an alien.

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Speaker 3: I'd never said that I wasn't an alien. I didn't

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Speaker 3: Also, what if I was an alien? I just didn't

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Speaker 1: It's what I'm saying, it's probably the case.

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Speaker 2: Bring the weed out. Let's let's let's talk about this.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we talk about I feel like if you listen

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Speaker 3: Oh shit, idea, was just touch this remote? I touched it,

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Speaker 1: I hope.

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Speaker 2: So I really I didn't stay our lifetime.

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Speaker 3: I just said human history, which I hope that's you

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Speaker 2: But shit, it could be a long time. I have

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Speaker 1: It could be. It could be tomorrow. That's what they

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Speaker 2: You just wait. I actually know everything. I'm just parsoning

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the men in black visit. It's hit my house.

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Speaker 3: Tell them every day that something big is coming next,

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Speaker 2: It has to be the truth.

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Speaker 3: Those always confuse me though, that the deathbed confession, Like

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Speaker 1: It's not a bad way to go.

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Speaker 3: All Aliens and roswal You're like, Okay, what the hell, dude, Like,

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Speaker 1: I was always like, when I'm old, when I'm ninety

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Speaker 3: The doctors should go in there with this briefcase like

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Speaker 3: You might solve all the world's problems, but then you die,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what matter?

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Speaker 1: It'd be a fun last ten minutes if I make

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Speaker 2: So let's go.

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Speaker 3: Let's jump from episode one to episode two. Travis Walden

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Speaker 2: How long has it been there?

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Speaker 4: Forty five years? Forty five years and three months.

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Speaker 1: But some things don't change, you know what.

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Speaker 4: Some things about it haven't gotten any easier at all.

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Speaker 4: I wish that this had never happened. It's not been

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Speaker 4: some ways, they don't even see the real me.

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Speaker 3: You know, what are you all thoughts on Travis Walton.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you guys, because you guys were

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Speaker 1: that's true, What was it that really like won your

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Speaker 1: like he didn't want to talk about it, and it

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00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: just seemed like it wasn't comfortable for him, like all

440
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 1: of it.

441
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.

442
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 3: I mean when I read the story on the internet first,

443
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 3: I was like, this is so batshit crazy that I

444
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: want to talk to the person who's claiming this happened

445
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: to them. Like I felt like, no matter what, that's

446
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 3: going to be interesting if someone's making this totally bizarre,

447
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 3: wild claim, you know, all these years later too, Like

448
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 3: what's he going to say about it now?

449
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: Right?

450
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 3: And so that was just my you know, general interest

451
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: at first, but I guess I was kind of taken

452
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 3: aback by how serious he was about it, Like, to me,

453
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 3: it the way that he told the story to us,

454
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 3: the way, you know, the way he was emotionally when

455
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 3: he was telling it, those were all signs of something

456
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 3: that I've seen before in someone who's had, you know,

457
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 3: reliving something that was traumatic that happened to them. So

458
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 3: even if he did make it all up, it's like

459
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 3: he's somehow reliving this story today telling us it like

460
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: it's a memory.

461
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: And you know, it's one of.

462
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: Those stories where it's so out there it's almost just

463
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 3: easy to dismiss on the surface, but there's so many

464
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: different parts to it. And I've seen people online who

465
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 3: you know, are like he's lying, blah blah blah blah blah,

466
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 3: and like, you know, somebody said, uh, I don't know

467
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 3: where it was that. You know, he's been proven to

468
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 3: have lied. Uh. They actually made all this up because

469
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 3: they were about to lose their logging contract. I'm like,

470
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 3: that's not fucking true. It isn't I've researched this case

471
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: pretty hard. That isn't true, and that's not a good

472
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: enough reason two for forty plus years keep up some

473
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 3: crazy lie. They don't even work out there anymore. They

474
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: don't even do that anymore.

475
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 1: How much were they even? I feel like they weren't

476
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 1: even making that much money to like, it wasn't like

477
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: a there's.

478
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 3: No way a logger in nineteen seventy five in Snowflake,

479
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 3: Arizona is making shit tons of money. I mean, I

480
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: don't have the statistics, but I wouldn't even need to

481
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 3: look like if I'm dead wrong then that would be interesting.

482
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: But that doesn't make sense.

483
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way. There's no way. And also just

484
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: all of them lying to the police when it got serious.

485
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: That's like something I found out after the travel want

486
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: an interview that was like okay, well, this back's it

487
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: even more like, why would they do that? Why would

488
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: they all lie about this? Five different accounts or six accounts.

489
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: You're seven total if you're counting Travis. Yeah, so I've

490
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 3: landed on this as a theory. You know, I'll never

491
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: know for certain if Travis is telling the truth about

492
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 3: what he experienced, because I wasn't there. There's nothing he

493
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: can tell me to really prove it entirely, and there's

494
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 3: nothing I can do to really disprove it at this point.

495
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 3: But I think that if Travis is making it up,

496
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 3: he's only making up the part where he's on the spaceship.

497
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: I think that without.

498
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: A doubt, all these people on the logging crew definitely

499
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: saw something weird in the sky, and Travis did run

500
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: out there, and then they left and came back and

501
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 3: Travis was gone. So if he's making it up, it

502
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 3: started right then. And then you have to think about, Okay,

503
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 3: if he did make it up, did he just seize

504
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 3: the opportunity? Was he like, oh man, we did see

505
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: some UFO looking thing in.

506
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: The sky that spooked us.

507
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 3: Do I hide out for five days and come back

508
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 3: with this crazy story? That's one way, but it's just

509
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 3: hard to explain where he was, and I think that

510
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: genuinely his other crew members didn't know where he was,

511
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 3: so he had been tricking them too. And then you'd

512
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 3: have to say, okay, well where was he His brother

513
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 3: and his mother were genuinely looking for him, so were

514
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: they in on it too?

515
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: Where did he hide for five days? Like what happened?

516
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 3: Or did something strike him and he went into some

517
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 3: comba state and then just came too, Like that would

518
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 3: make more sense than him just saying cool, they're gone,

519
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 3: All right, what's my story? I'm going to live off

520
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: the land for five days and then come back with

521
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: this crazy story?

522
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: What for? What? Why?

523
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: Yeah? It's not even like media was that big back then,

524
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: Like there wasn't like a CNN that he could go on,

525
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: you know at that time, right, like there wasn't this

526
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: huge thing where he's like, Oh, I'm gonna make it big,

527
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on all the shows and we had right,

528
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: was he gonna be on Johnny Carson? Like no?

529
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: What? No?

530
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: I would be interested to see, knowing the internet this

531
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: has to exist somewhere, but I'd be interested to see

532
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: sort of a breakdown of when he started telling the

533
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: different aspects of his story on a timeline, like I'd

534
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: like to see when if his story has evolved over

535
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: the years, or if he's told the same story the

536
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: same way for what fifty odd years, Like I'm really

537
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 1: interested if if his story is made up in response

538
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: to people pushing back on him, or if even like

539
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: his first accounts to the police, told the entire story

540
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: as he tells it today. You know, I think that

541
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: would bring a lot of credence to his his accounts.

542
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: For myself anyway, I don't think he's really changed any

543
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: details throughout the years.

544
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 3: Not really nothing major where you know you'd be caught

545
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: in some lie. If anything, I think certain parts have

546
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: become more descriptive. Yeah I was gonna say that, which

547
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 3: I mean, he could be embellishing those parts, and you know,

548
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 3: he's just adding to the story where it's like the

549
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: classic grandpa talking about walking uphill both ways to school

550
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 3: in the snow, and there's always a new detail.

551
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: You're like, bullshit, or how big was that fish?

552
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: You know?

553
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: Was it this big? Or was it this big?

554
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 3: It's like there could be some of that going on,

555
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: but doesn't take away the fact the basic elements of

556
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: the story that he was on some spaceship.

557
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: That's like that part's never changed.

558
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Honestly, what I noticed because after we recorded him,

559
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: I listened to the tape and then I went back

560
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: to the times he said it before. For that exact reason,

561
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: I was like, let me see if he changed his story,

562
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, coming from the true crime world's what we

563
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: would do. We'd listen to how did you tell it

564
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: to dateline? And then how are you telling it to us?

565
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: And is there any weirdness with your story right now?

566
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: Is there something you're caught you in that lie? There

567
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: was nothing he told. Did he talk to Barbara Walters?

568
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: I don't remember now, but he told somebody in the

569
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: nineties a couple more details. I'm like, oh, dang, he

570
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: didn't even like he didn't even say that to us,

571
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: But like.

572
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: There wasn't an outlet like you'd have now to tell

573
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 3: that story, like immediately in seventy five, in the middle

574
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 3: of nowhere Arizona.

575
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

576
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: One of my thoughts was if he made it up,

577
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: I just think that's such a big commitment that would

578
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: be your life.

579
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: Now.

580
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: He had to commit when he was in his early

581
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: twenties that I'm going to go the rest of my

582
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: life with this as my identity. And maybe you know,

583
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: he did make it up and he regretted doing that

584
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: in his thirties, but had to stick with it because

585
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 3: he didn't want to be, you know, labeled a liar.

586
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: But man, what a big commitment. And one more thing

587
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 3: about this story is that there's not a lot of

588
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: these stories, right. There's not a lot of cases of

589
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: people of a mass sighting of different people who were

590
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: not that close of what seems to be a real

591
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: UFO in the sky and then someone being missing for

592
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 3: a period of time with a very bizarre story at

593
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: the end. Now there's other cases where a lot of

594
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 3: people saw something, but like there's probably like five cases

595
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: total where it's like this locked up, So it's it's

596
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 3: an anomaly either way. It's interesting because of those elements.

597
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: If Travis just came out of the woods himself and

598
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: said this story, I'd have less reason to believe him.

599
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: It's because of.

600
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: All of his coworkers who were there who claim to

601
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: see the same thing, who were then under suspicion for murder,

602
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: That to me is gives credence to it.

603
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: So if he was tricking anyone, he was tricking them first.

604
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And going off of that, started reading a book.

605
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: I think it's by Robert Mack. It might be John Mack,

606
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but it's a book all about abductions.

607
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: And once I started believing Travis's story and like, hey,

608
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: this I think he was abducted, not saying it's aliens,

609
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 1: not saying it's I don't know what it was, but like,

610
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's people that abducted him. Maybe it is some

611
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: secret government thing that abducted him and did experiments too deep.

612
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't think it was that. But then I started

613
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: looking at all these other abduction cases where it was

614
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: just a single person doing the same thing and like

615
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: the in hypnosis with regressive therapy and having very similar

616
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: things happen and seeing similar beings. And the author of

617
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: that book, when I started reading it, he kind of

618
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: goes into like I'm talking to people who have never

619
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: talked to each other, never put their story out there,

620
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: like it's not public knowledge, and they're saying the same thing.

621
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: They're they're having the same kind of encounters. So either

622
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: this is like a sleep paralysis type thing where it's like, oh,

623
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: we all see the same thing, or like when people

624
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: trip on DMT. They all see the machine elves or

625
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: whatever they are, and it's like something just locked deep

626
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: in our brain that like gets unlocked at this point.

627
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: But like it is really weird to be a strange

628
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: coincidence if all these people saw similar beings and there's

629
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: like it's like narrowed down to like a few different

630
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: types of beings and then they do kind of the

631
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: same thing. It's like these weird medical things with like

632
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: experimentations with tools we've never seen before, but like kind

633
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: of a focus on reproductive stuff. I know. It's it's

634
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: strange when you add it all up.

635
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 3: Even if he had some like if he had some

636
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: hypnosis like episode out there, not hypnosis, if he had

637
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: some sort of paralysis episode out there, the fuche state,

638
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: the fugue state, right then he would have had to

639
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: stumble far enough out of sight where when they pretty

640
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: much very quickly came back to look for him and

641
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 3: he wasn't there, and then somehow not kill himself in

642
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 3: all those days in the woods, and then come too

643
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: with the story that he believes that just is a

644
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: very big pill to swallow.

645
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: If you're taking like that would be.

646
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: That would be crazier to me, that could be what happened,

647
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: But that is fucking crazy, like seriously.

648
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah, it's

649
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: a crazy story. You know. You can go down this

650
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: rabbit hole of like what are the aliens? What's their

651
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: purpose here? Or people seeing the same aliens or they

652
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: seeing different aliens from different galaxies.

653
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: You know.

654
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: It's once this idea of like these sci fi elements

655
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: or aliens gets into the like public zeitgeist, and everybody

656
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: starts to think about it, everybody starts to build on them.

657
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: And you could argue that a lot of these like

658
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: abduction cases, even Travis Waltens is maybe he saw some

659
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: sci fi film, you know, and he saw something like that.

660
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: He saw some aliens and an old the daylier stood

661
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: still in like nineteen fifties or whatever, and he just

662
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: formulates a story around it and then just sticks to it.

663
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: And he tells it once and it's out there, it's

664
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: in the zeitgeist, and he has to stick to it forever,

665
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: and he can embellish it as the years go on,

666
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: but he knows that it becomes more and more it

667
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: becomes harder to disprove his story. The longer he tells it,

668
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: and because he's been telling it for so long, it's

669
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: hard to disprove. You know, he's made it bulletproof, he's

670
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: built the walls around it, he's made it perfect. And

671
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: there's always in this subject, there's always two sides, you know,

672
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: like you're always gonna have evidence for either you're gonna

673
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 1: have evidence that he says this or she says that,

674
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,479
Speaker 1: But then also somebody on the other side that's always

675
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: going to be able to disprove whatever they say. And

676
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: that's the hardest thing about researching this is like is

677
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: the evidence you have good? Is it made up by

678
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: somebody on the internet? Is it usable? Can you build

679
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: on it? And you just never really truly know. I mean,

680
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: no matter how much information you have, you can never

681
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: really know if it's the truth.

682
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: One of the problems I think is people instinctually need

683
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 3: some sort of deeper reason behind everything. You know, they

684
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: start asking the questions like you just posed, why are

685
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: they here, what are they doing? What do they want

686
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 3: from us? And I think that's such a naive take.

687
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: I think that you're overlooking all the things that are important.

688
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: If we're talking about some advanced intelligence, then that has

689
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 3: to be accounted for.

690
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 2: When you're thinking about it, It's like if we're.

691
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: If we're in elementary school and there's twenty kids out

692
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 3: there playing on the playground, and nineteen of them are

693
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 3: super big for their age, and could you know, beat

694
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 3: any of the other kid's asses, and there was one

695
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: smaller kid who hadn't had his growth spurt yet.

696
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: They're not going to all just pick on that kid.

697
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 3: So like, I feel like the idea of the fear

698
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 3: of them wanting to do something to us, I think

699
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: is a little bit I know, I guess unwarranted.

700
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: And I also think that it's how do I say this?

701
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: Like, I think that we want there to be some

702
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 3: special reason because we're so used to being at the

703
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 3: top of the food chain. We need there to be

704
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 3: some you know, romantic reason as to why they're here,

705
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 3: as if we're going to just join forces and take

706
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: over the universe together. I think that if you're coming

707
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: from a place that's so far away we can't see

708
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: it or close by, and we can't see it in

709
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 3: crafts that we can't mimic what they do, then you

710
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: already won. It's like, you know, the car has been

711
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: around for how long like that was like a nineteen

712
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: hundred thing, like it really became a thing.

713
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: It's like, we're way so far behind that that.

714
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: It's just almost it's silly to think that they would

715
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: want anything from us.

716
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: What would they want? What would we have to offer water?

717
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: I mean, like, for real, I think that you gotta

718
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: and I don't know anything. But it's such a small

719
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: minded take to feel like if there's some advanced civilization

720
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: out there that they owe us anything, or that they

721
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 3: would be interested in us to the point where we're

722
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: going to sit down and have tea and talk about something.

723
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: They're like, look, we already know all that shit. We

724
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: know that you guys don't know that shit yet we're

725
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 3: not even going to talk about it because you won't

726
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: even believe us. And if we showed ourselves to the world,

727
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: we already know that you guys would probably end up

728
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: killing yourselves because it would just dismantle a lot of

729
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 3: our fundamental beliefs.

730
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: If they're that advanced, they would.

731
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: Know that, they would Yeah, we would know that if

732
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 3: it was the other way around, right, absolutely, So it's

733
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: I think that's what it is. And and shit, they

734
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: may have seen that before. They may have you know,

735
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: gone to the planet. Oh, yeah, don't touch that. It's

736
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: like the same thing of like there being some you know,

737
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: part of a national park where it's like, don't go

738
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: in there, don't touch those plants. You know, this is

739
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: like a sacred you know, don't mess up their environment

740
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 3: in the swamp.

741
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 2: It's, you know, same idea.

742
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: It's like if you do, will be a ripple effect

743
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: and the animals are gonna die.

744
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: Right, It's like a what's the word for.

745
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: That, the the like a quarantine.

746
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: No, Like it's like sacred.

747
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: It's like a reserve, yes, nature reserve, a nature reserve, Yeah,

748
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: sacred nature. Sacred nature reserve, one of those. It's sacred. No,

749
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 3: But I mean it's it's like, yeah, a nature reserve.

750
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: You can't touch anything, you can't get too close to it.

751
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: They don't want humans fucking it up. I would think

752
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: that the aliens would probably think the same way. We're

753
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: not gonna go fuck shit up. And it's just super

754
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: naive to think that they would need anything from us

755
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: when clearly they figured out how to go here and

756
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: back for thousands of years without us knowing for sure

757
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: they exist. So I mean that kind of says it all. Yeah,

758
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 3: or we're just insane and we think there's aliens and

759
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: there's not.

760
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: Who knows. That'd be disappointing though, yeah, yeah, that would suck.

761
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it could it could be other things though.

762
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: It could be another dimension, It could be some kind

763
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: of paranormal thing. It could be who knows, it could

764
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: be us from I mean, that's a big theory, is

765
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: that there was a huge apocalyptic disaster, Like let's say

766
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: that's what like the flood with Noah's Ark was like

767
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: talking about, right that a whole earth flooded at one point,

768
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: the smartest of society left. They fleed because they're like,

769
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: oh shit, the world's we're having a problem. But they

770
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: had like advanced technology back then. All got wiped away,

771
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: all the evidence of it. We got a couple of

772
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: people writing little scriptures about it, but they don't really

773
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, it gets translated over time. It's telephone, game

774
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: and telephone. But then they come back they're like, oh shit,

775
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: they're dumb again.

776
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 3: It's like, damn, these guys haven't grown up at all.

777
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 3: They do have a cool new car, though that lambow

778
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: looks pretty sick, but anyway, it's boying like here's what.

779
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: Out of my spaceship, it's possible. Elon this shit's dope.

780
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 2: Your shit sucks well.

781
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,959
Speaker 1: And then so you know, this has been a theory

782
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: I've been going with for a while. I've talked to

783
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: Dylan about this. But this started happening in the forties, right,

784
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: we started seeing these and that's probably around when commercial

785
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: flights became a thing, or that's when we started bugging

786
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: around up there, right, So more often like they're like,

787
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: maybe they're like, well, what are they doing down there

788
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: or whatever. Let's say they're in the ocean, Like, what's

789
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: going on up there? How did they get up there?

790
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: Are they advancing? Let's not touch them? Like you said,

791
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: it's a sacred reserve.

792
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: So there's probably an alien or a group of aliens

793
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: and a UFO at some point, and like the thirties

794
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 3: or forties and was like, oh shit, look at that thing.

795
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: What are they doing up here? They're like, oh damn it,

796
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: they figured that part out.

797
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: Well, gotta treat this shit differently from this point forward,

798
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: and then eventually we're up there all the time. Yeah,

799
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: it's like that would that would have been a place

800
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: that we would never be because we didn't even know

801
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: how to go there or know that we could go

802
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 3: there eventually.

803
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and all the stuff in the past, if you

804
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: look at it, pretty much every religion stuff comes from

805
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: the sky right before we could fly, way before we

806
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: could fly. They're like, there's stuff up there in the

807
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: heavens and the above us, angels, whatever, all the gods, Greek,

808
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: it's whatever. They're all up there, right. Maybe they saw more,

809
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: maybe that it's like maybe they were zipping around up

810
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: there at one point, and then we just had leftover

811
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: stories from that. Now that once we started going up,

812
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we got to kind of hide out

813
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: a little bit. We need to get away, but let's

814
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: not get spotted by them. Let's let them figure out

815
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: their thing.

816
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, what are our thoughts on the new stuff, the

817
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: new reports, the modern day maybe pilot sightings, the stuff

818
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: that the Pentagon's talking about, you know, the genesis of

819
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 3: the UFO Task Force. What are our thoughts on these

820
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 3: modern day incidents that are sparking a conversation in twenty three.

821
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: So I think it's interesting because I don't even know

822
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: if I describe them as modern day incidents, you know,

823
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: I think it's the same stuff we've always been seeing.

824
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: I think what makes this unique is that for the

825
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: first time, the government is acknowledging it. You know, they're

826
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: acknowledging that they're recording these things off the coasts of America,

827
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: off the Navy ships or fighter pilots are recording these

828
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: really crazy videos of things that none of them can explain,

829
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: you know. And I like to think that this stuff

830
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,959
Speaker 1: has always been happening. This is nothing new, maybe even

831
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: for thousands of years. It's always been recorded in somebody's history.

832
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: But I think what's interesting about this and what's unique

833
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: is that we're finally talking about it. There's a real

834
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: discussion that's taking place globally, and I think it's really

835
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: leading to like large leaps, like large things that are

836
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: now changing in the world, and big things are happening.

837
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: But regardless of what happened and what didn't happen in

838
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: the last fifty years, what was true and what wasn't true,

839
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 3: you could just look at today's incidents in the last

840
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: ten years, totally ignore every other story you've heard about

841
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: an abduction or roswell. Just throw it out, screw it,

842
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 3: throw it out, and just look at what's happening today

843
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 3: and actually have a interesting and sometimes complex conversation about it,

844
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of unknowns. I don't know why

845
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: the government would create a UFO Task Force if there

846
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 3: wasn't something interesting or abnormal about what they were seeing.

847
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 3: I don't think that they're all just big sci fi buffs.

848
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: I think that that would be ridiculous. I think that

849
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: the actual pilots themselves experienced something strange, and that's what

850
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: prompted all of this to begin with. And so you can't,

851
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: you know, you have to. If we're believing navy pilots,

852
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 3: then there's something to explore here. And I'm just curious.

853
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: You know, what's your take on the modern day stories.

854
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: You know, the tic TAC, the balloons over Alaska, you know,

855
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff.

856
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,959
Speaker 1: I think they're in a way losing some control over

857
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: what could be leaked and what can't be leaked. Like

858
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: I think back in the sixties they had a little

859
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: more control over what was classified and what wasn't, and

860
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: now certain things are like slipping through the cracks. I

861
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's a giant government cover up per se,

862
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: mainly because I don't think they understand it. I think

863
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: they know it. I think they know it's non human

864
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: intelligence or have assumed based on all of the evidence

865
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: they've collected, but they don't know what it is, or

866
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: like have an explanation for it. And how do you

867
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: tell you know, people who look up to you, who

868
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: are like, okay, what are the answers?

869
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: Like what?

870
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean? Like that that's how

871
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: people take it, Like okay, so there's these things in

872
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: the in our atmosphere that we don't know what they are.

873
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: We don't know who's piloting them, we don't know who's

874
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: in control of them, we don't know where they came from.

875
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: That's not like you don't want to tell people that.

876
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 1: Like if you're the teacher at a school, you got

877
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids and like, you know, so ask

878
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: you something you don't know why is this guy blue?

879
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: And you're like, actually, I don't, I have no idea.

880
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: How do you explain that to them? And then how

881
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: do they look up to you for the rest of

882
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: the class and go, oh wait, I thought they were

883
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: supposed to know everything. I thought they were supposed to

884
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: have all the answers. Not saying government's expected to know

885
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: all the answers, but if they're presenting these and going, hey,

886
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: here's some slides of these things. We've been studying since

887
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: the fifties, since the nineteen forty seven Roswell crash, and

888
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: we still have no idea what it is. That's like

889
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: a little concerning. I mean, if they can't figure out,

890
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: they can't figure out.

891
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: But plus, if that is the case, which it probably is,

892
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: you know, you don't want your adversaries to know that

893
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: you don't know. You're gonna want them to think that

894
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: you do know. And they're thinking the same way. They

895
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: don't want to show their hand and be like, yeah,

896
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 3: we have these really cool looking spaceships from nineteen forty seven,

897
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: but that thing has not turned on since then. And

898
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 3: you know, in the event that you know, Russia or

899
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 3: China has one too, and they've been able to turn

900
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: it on or reverse engineer it, then we just showed

901
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 3: our hand, or we showed that we don't know. And

902
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: now they're going to use the fact that maybe they

903
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: don't know either, but they're gonna pretend like they do.

904
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: And it's just like this wargame shit. It's like you

905
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 3: you don't want to show your hand, and that's what

906
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: you ultimately have to do. If there's ever gonna be

907
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: some disclosure of UFO alien truth, you're gonna have to

908
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: say that this stuff exists. We know for sure, it's

909
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,479
Speaker 3: not from Earth. It's more advanced. We've got this to work,

910
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 3: and this still isn't working. That's all we know. That's

911
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 3: gonna be scary to certain people. I think the younger

912
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: generation will care less about it, but it'll kind of,

913
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: you know, mess with some people's fundamental beliefs. And you

914
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: also signal to your adversaries that you don't know. And

915
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 3: I don't think any of the powerful countries in the

916
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: world are willing to do that yet totally.

917
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody wants to show their hand. And ultimately it's

918
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: going to be a global effort for something like disclosure

919
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: to really happen, to really come out totally. And I

920
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: think I think we live in a time now where

921
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: we have all the tools necessary at our disposal to

922
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: make something like that happen. We have the Internet, We

923
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: have the ability to where anyone can talk to anyone.

924
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: We can get the data together, we can share it,

925
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: we can repost it, we can talk about it, we

926
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: can discuss it, and you know, you see these communities

927
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: like Reddit, where a lot of cool stuff comes out,

928
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: you know, government sanctioned things. There was something that came

929
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: out that Jeremy corbell I sent you guys last night.

930
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: Late last Yeah, watched that video.

931
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: It's cool. It was like, it's supposedly it's pretty weird.

932
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: Supposedly it's a leaked video from Congress from the UAP

933
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: Task Force showing one of the UFOs in the ocean

934
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: captured by you know, one of our navy destroyers. But

935
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: that just goes to show, you know, it's like, I personally,

936
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that the government or the military or

937
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: the people who should be leading disclosure. I really think

938
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: if it's ever going to come out because of all

939
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: those things, because of governments not wanting to lose control

940
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: or show their hands, I don't think they'll ever give

941
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: us everything. They'll give us pieces. Disclosure is of no importance.

942
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: If you're someone in the government now, as the citizen,

943
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 3: you would say, yes, it is, we should know the truth.

944
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: But they gain nothing by telling you that they don't

945
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: know anything. They lose something, They lose something, and they

946
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: could stand to lose a lot. Actually, so actually I

947
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: understand it. It's just frustrating but there's no benefit in

948
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 3: disclosing anything, especially when you only have little pieces to

949
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 3: the puzzle.

950
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: When you don't have everything that that is scarier.

951
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 3: So what are your thoughts on the balloon extravaganza of

952
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 3: a few months ago? You know, my take on it

953
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: was that there was so many parts of it that

954
00:49:55,120 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 3: were blatantly contradictory of itself. You know, if you zoom

955
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: out and you look at what happened that week. It

956
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 3: first started with a balloon in the sky, clearly a balloon.

957
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: It was white, it was a balloon. Citizens took videos

958
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,399
Speaker 3: of it. It was flying low enough to be able

959
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 3: to actually get like a glimpse of it, and it

960
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: was immediately determined to be a Chinese balloon. Pretty much immediately.

961
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 3: They shot that thing down in American fashion, and they

962
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 3: scooped that thing up out of the ocean, and they

963
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: released pictures of them scooping it out of the ocean.

964
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: So okay, pretty straightforward.

965
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 3: Then not too long after, there was reports of other

966
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 3: balloons anomalies in the sky. The descriptions of them were

967
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 3: kind of different, though, and in the course of a

968
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 3: couple days they shot down three more things in the

969
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 3: sky that they've I mean, clearly they felt like they

970
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 3: should shoot them down because as they were either not

971
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: supposed to be there or you know, I don't know,

972
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 3: but I look at that and I say, Okay, the

973
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 3: timing of those two things cannot be a coincidence. I

974
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 3: don't think there's some conspiracy here. I think that because

975
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 3: it was publicly known that there was a balloon in

976
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 3: the sky that hung out there for several days before

977
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: we did anything about it, that if there's more anomalies

978
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 3: in the sky, that we're gonna, you know, tell our

979
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 3: citizens and the rest of the world that we're gonna

980
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: have a fast response to stuff like this, and they did.

981
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 3: The problem is the description of the third balloon in

982
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: the sky is not a balloon. And I mean I

983
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: don't have it in front of me, but the way

984
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 3: they initially described it was kind of like the Tic tac.

985
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: It was cylindrical in shape, you know, size of the

986
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: car or bigger, moving in weird ways, and that means

987
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 3: they don't know what it is. Just my theory here,

988
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: I feel like they seize the opportunity to take that

989
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: fucker down, to take that thing down and try to

990
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 3: study it. It's weird how there are you know, lots

991
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 3: of pictures of the other balloons. There's even like a

992
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: twenty megapixel photo from the cockpit of one of the

993
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 3: jets a pilot took of this balloon, clearly being a balloon.

994
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: It's a great shot. It looks pretty cool.

995
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: It's a selfie. It's a selfie. I mean, that's a

996
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 3: badass selfie. But there is nothing at all of the

997
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 3: third balloon over Alaska, and.

998
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: Of any the three after. There's no Yeah, there's no photos.

999
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: It's classified. You can't even like, you can't request it.

1000
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: Why would it be classified If it's the same thing

1001
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: that we all saw publicly from China, why is it classified?

1002
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: Or if it's you know, some you know, citizens experiment

1003
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: that got out of hand, why would they ever be classified?

1004
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: Just come out and say, guys, like it's really a

1005
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: nothing burger, it's actually this unless it wasn't. So my

1006
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: theory on this is that when the first Chinese balloon

1007
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: flew across you know it's a surveillance balloon. It flew

1008
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: across the United States, basically people were reporting it in

1009
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: like Montana and stuff. They're like, oh shit, this is

1010
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: that's actually not ours. Let's let's go ahead and wait

1011
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: until it gets over the ocean. They got over the Atlantic,

1012
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: they shot it down. They're like, let's, uh, maybe we

1013
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,959
Speaker 1: should adjust our radars a little bit, you know, dial

1014
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: them into like like maybe you filter it out so

1015
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: you don't pick up all these weather balloons that are

1016
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: actually flying around, because there's a lot of stuff up

1017
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: in the air that's just floating around. That's whether it's

1018
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: a hobby thing or you know, a weather balloon got

1019
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: bothering info. We're studying all kinds of stuff in the

1020
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: sky now when they adjust it to like filter out

1021
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: less and allow the smaller things like oh crap, there's

1022
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: what are all these things we're seeing? And then my

1023
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: theory is that they tried to shoot them down, these

1024
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 1: three other objects, and they were unsuccessful and they didn't

1025
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: actually shoot anything else down, but they may have got

1026
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: the supposedly got well.

1027
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 3: There was a guy in Alaska who was taking footage

1028
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 3: of them. They went to a place in the middle

1029
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 3: of nowhere. I mean I'm talking about middle of nowhere

1030
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: Alaska in the Arctic to recover something. So clearly they

1031
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 3: went there because something came down, except it wouldn't be

1032
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: it wasn't an easy place to get to.

1033
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: Now, what if that's a hobby balloon and you just

1034
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: spent a five hundred thousand dollars missile sidewind her missile

1035
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: to shoot it down. That's embarrassing. You know.

1036
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 3: If it was a hobby balloon, then the hobbyists would

1037
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: come forward and say that was my balloon because it's missing.

1038
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: That hasn't happened.

1039
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: Well one, so somebody tried. I don't remember if it

1040
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: was that one or the one over the Great.

1041
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: Lakes handing back for my balloon.

1042
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: No, I think it was. I think this was the

1043
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: one over the Great Lakes. But this is one thing

1044
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: that happened. So somebody said. You know, of course all

1045
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: the news media is like ran with it, and they're like, oh, okay,

1046
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: this explains all of them. They were like, yeah, we

1047
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: did have a weather balloon up around that area that

1048
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: stopped the transponders stop talking to us. It may have

1049
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: been ours over the Great Lakes. I'm pretty sure it

1050
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: was the one over the Great Lakes. But they're like,

1051
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: they also go down all the time, so it may

1052
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 1: not have been ours. So maybe, but like, you don't

1053
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: come looking for your balloon if you're setting up ten

1054
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: of these and you're like, well, like three or four

1055
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: of them are going to fall out of this guy eventually.

1056
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: You don't really like, You're not like, where's my balloon?

1057
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: Pay me back for my balloon? You know what I mean.

1058
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: It's like it's the casualty.

1059
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 3: I mean, my thing is like, since when do we

1060
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: shoot down balloons? I mean, I guess since a couple

1061
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 3: months ago we do that now haven't done it since then? Though,

1062
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 3: going back on the timeline of when those stories were

1063
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 3: coming out, I believe it was within a twenty four

1064
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 3: hour period that all three of those balloons, you know,

1065
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 3: with quotations here, balloons were shot down, right.

1066
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: I think it was a week or three or four

1067
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: days maybe, but it was like every couple days there

1068
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: was another one, maybe two in a row. But I

1069
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: don't it was yeah, can you yeah, I'll take you

1070
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 1: look it up. Either way, it was within a couple

1071
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: of days, right. I feel like.

1072
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 3: Maybe it was a good time, like it was a

1073
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 3: it was a win win if the government actually saw

1074
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 3: something in the sky that looked like it could be

1075
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 3: some sort of advanced craft which could come from anywhere.

1076
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 3: It could have it could have came from China, or Russia, right,

1077
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 3: or you know, another planet or dimension. Who knows if

1078
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: they saw something that you know, gave those characteristics, what

1079
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 3: a perfect time to seize that opportunity to take it down.

1080
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: So maybe you take that one down and you take

1081
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 3: down two balloons with it, and it's just super gray

1082
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 3: now what happened? And then the media just kind of

1083
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 3: stopped talking about it, because well, there's nothing more for

1084
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 3: us to learn, you know. But I think that there's

1085
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: so much you know, picture evidence of these obvious balloons,

1086
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: but the most interesting one of them all that was

1087
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 3: conveniently shot down in the middle of nowhere, Alaska. What

1088
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 3: a perfect time to do that. It's like, I'm not

1089
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 3: saying I'm not trying to speak in conspiracy theory terms.

1090
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: I'm talking about, like, what an efficient time to do that.

1091
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 3: Take down what could be some sort of advanced craft,

1092
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 3: not saying where it's from, just an advanced craft, take

1093
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 3: it down over the middle of nowhere, Alaska where literally

1094
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 3: no citizen could get to and do it at the

1095
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 3: same do it during the same week that these Chinese

1096
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 3: balloons are taking over the media, and this response could

1097
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 3: look good. It's like, Hey, we're defending our country we're

1098
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: not gonna have just random things in the sky. We're

1099
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 3: gonna take them down, and it's just like a win win.

1100
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: And you know, that theory could be completely debunked if

1101
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 3: we saw the photos and read the reports of what

1102
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 3: it really was and it ended up being some commercial balloon.

1103
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 3: I don't I don't have I don't have that, so

1104
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 3: I don't know that. So I'm you know, I'm having

1105
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 3: to speculate. But based on the initial reports of what

1106
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 3: it looked like, how it was moving in the sky,

1107
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 3: and the lack of information following, that makes me think that,

1108
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 3: uh oh, I think we shot down something weirder than that,

1109
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 3: and we're definitely not gonna tell you what it is

1110
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 3: because they don't they still don't know what it is.

1111
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 3: They're gonna have to go back channel and go with

1112
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 3: some random guy in some department like, oh yeah, that

1113
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 3: guy's familiar.

1114
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: With these things, whatever they are. So I don't know.

1115
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 3: I just find it very strange that all that happened

1116
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 3: in the same week, and the most interesting one of

1117
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 3: them all is the most mysterious one of them all,

1118
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 3: with the least amount of information, the zero pictures, zero reports,

1119
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: zero concrete evidence, and shot down over the most you know,

1120
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 3: convenient place in America, the middle of nowhere, Alaska. We're

1121
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 3: not a single soul is going to see what you

1122
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 3: recover from that Arctic floor.

1123
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, you know, I really don't think it's a

1124
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: coincidence that all of these things happened in the same week.

1125
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: You know, if you put yourself in the perspective of

1126
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: the government or the military, or even like somebody like

1127
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 1: President Biden, you know, like you get this report of Hey,

1128
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: the Chinese are flying a spycraft over America right now,

1129
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: what are you going to do about it? You know,

1130
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: he's going to make a second decision. He's got to

1131
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: give the military something to do. And we have this

1132
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: huge military. We don't want to look globally like these

1133
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: people who just let China just spy in our airspace.

1134
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: We're supposed to have the greatest air force in the world.

1135
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: We're supposed to have our skies locked down. So when

1136
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: something like that does happen, whether or not it was

1137
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: an accident by China or it was on purpose, who's

1138
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: to say, but the fact is it happened.

1139
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 3: I've also I've said this theory to other people before,

1140
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 3: Like just like at a bar or something, and someone

1141
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 3: who is against the idea, their immediate response is, well,

1142
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,479
Speaker 3: if they're so advanced, how can we shoot them down?

1143
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: Like okay, you know, good point, But I'm like, what

1144
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 3: if what they shot down is just some you know,

1145
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 3: basic drone thing that's unmanned that's just still out there

1146
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 3: doing a job that it doesn't even do anymore, and

1147
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 3: it's just like dinking around out there. I think that

1148
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 3: an fatem could totally just go potential and they could

1149
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 3: also miss but like it's not impossible to take it down.

1150
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 3: I don't think it's like I'm not saying it's like

1151
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 3: a bunch of aliens, like you know, we're at war

1152
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 3: with them and they're like not able to dodge a missile.

1153
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 3: I think that it's probably some sort of like like

1154
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 3: listen to what Aviy Lobe was saying where he thinks

1155
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 3: that some of these you know, UFOs or maybe self

1156
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:26,439
Speaker 3: generating drones from so far away, then they're just they're

1157
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 3: still doing a thing. They could be from some civilization

1158
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 3: that's long lost and like its mission is over and

1159
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 3: it's just out there. It's just still works, but it's

1160
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 3: like not really relevant anymore. And that to me would

1161
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 3: make sense of how you could potentially shoot down some

1162
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 3: advanced technology, not saying that's correct. Also, I'm not even

1163
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: saying that the government should come forward necessarily and say

1164
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 3: what they shot down. I'm just pointing out the fact

1165
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 3: that I think it's more interesting than they're saying it is.

1166
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 3: And if anything, I get kind of excited about that

1167
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 3: because it looks like at least the government and the

1168
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 3: military are reacting to these things.

1169
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: Now, admitting to reacting to them, you know, admitting to

1170
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: reacting to them. They probably have been all along, sure,

1171
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: but finding out about it now.

1172
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 3: Yes, And so I think that no matter what it is,

1173
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 3: it's like, the whole point of this conversation about UFOs

1174
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 3: is there's stuff in the sky that we don't know

1175
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 3: what it is. So that's really all we're trying to

1176
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 3: figure out here. You know, the idea of there being

1177
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 3: aliens from another planet, that's a fun one. I like

1178
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 3: that idea, but that doesn't take away from the search

1179
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 3: or the mission that's you know, I don't want that

1180
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 3: to necessarily be the answer. I think it's just a possibility.

1181
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 3: And so if you start, you know, actually trying to

1182
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 3: crack the code here and solve the mystery of the

1183
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 3: unknown objects in the sky, then maybe you'll get closer

1184
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 3: to finding out what some of these other anomalies are

1185
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 3: that seemingly do stuff that defies our technology.

1186
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: Do you want to hear the timeline? I do? Okay,

1187
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 1: So Wednesday, February first Chinese spy balloon is spotted above

1188
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: Montana right February fourth, three days later shot down by

1189
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: an F twenty two off the coast of South Carolina.

1190
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: So three days it covered the whole US. February ninth,

1191
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: first UFO is detected off coast of Northern Northern and Alaska,

1192
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: the one you were talking about February tenth. That one

1193
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: is shot down by an F twenty two over Dead Horse, Alaska, Saturday,

1194
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: February eleventh. A day later, second UFO is shot down

1195
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: by an F twenty two over Yukon, Canada. This supports

1196
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 1: my theory. Actually it was the weird one. First. It's like, Okay,

1197
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: seize the opportunity.

1198
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 3: We just shut down a balloon, shoot that fucking thing down,

1199
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 3: whatever the hell that is, because we're responding to these

1200
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 3: things now, and shoot down two other commercial balloons that

1201
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 3: we can easily prove are something that's you know, completely nothing.

1202
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 2: Burger.

1203
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,200
Speaker 1: The third the third one, Nora d claims it was

1204
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: a radar anomaly. So is that the national.

1205
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: In all that happened in what span of time?

1206
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: Uh? Got a week? Right?

1207
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: Not the first one? Like I don't care about the

1208
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: first one that we o.

1209
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 1: Nine eleven, twelve, Yeah, four days in February. Yeah. See,

1210
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: this timeline is really important, right because like this idea

1211
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,440
Speaker 1: of like the Chinese weather bloom being the first, it

1212
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: really shows you, like where the mindset of the military

1213
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: was once they realized there was something invading our airspace

1214
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: and now America knows about it, everybody in the world

1215
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: knows about it. They go on high alert and they say, okay,

1216
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: there's something in airspace. We need to really double our

1217
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: efforts and look for anything else that's invading our airspace

1218
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: right now. We need to make sure Chine is not

1219
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: launching another balloon or they're not using this opportunity to

1220
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 1: find holes in our defenses. And you can imagine in

1221
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: that scenario, when they're on high alert, they're pointing everything

1222
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: they have, all their radars and everything into our skies.

1223
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: They start to see all these other little things popping

1224
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: up at the exact same time, in the same three

1225
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: day period, and they go, oh, there's another one. What

1226
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: is that? We don't know what that is. Shoot it down.

1227
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: Let's safe, get rid of it.

1228
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 3: You know. I want to reiterate that I don't think

1229
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 3: that the government as a whole is all knowing or something,

1230
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 3: and we're like, okay, like we're just going to collectively,

1231
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 3: you know, trick our citizens into thinking this. I think

1232
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 3: it could have been something very casual, like President Biden

1233
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 3: there's a report of something else in the sky and

1234
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 3: he's like, shoot it down, and they're like, well, sir,

1235
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 3: it's actually it's kind of got characteristics of X y Z,

1236
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 3: you know, like something that's kind of that insinuates that

1237
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 3: it's an advanced craft of some sort. Okay, shoot it

1238
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 3: down anyways, and then shoot down two more things while

1239
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 3: you're at it, because like, Okay, it's like that happened

1240
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 3: when that was February, okay, and it is mid May.

1241
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: So have there been no more balloons in this guy

1242
01:05:59,080 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: since then?

1243
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: No chance?

1244
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 3: So why was it important that week and that week only?

1245
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 3: I think because there was a balloon that showed itself

1246
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 3: to the public that was clearly a Chinese balloon, and

1247
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 3: the US government made that known pretty much immediately it

1248
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 3: was shot down, and then other things were shot down

1249
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 3: right after that. That I think were taking advantage of

1250
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 3: the timing, and they also could have went to go

1251
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 3: like I'm not even saying that, Like I mean, because

1252
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 3: the president has to give the order to do.

1253
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 1: That, right, which somebody recently or not recently, during when

1254
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: all this was happening, somebody went on TV and was

1255
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: like a Navy pilot and said, like, it's very strange

1256
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: for the president to make the call on shooting something down.

1257
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: It's like that doesn't happen, that's like warshit. Yeah.

1258
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 3: So my point is, though I'm not even saying that

1259
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 3: the president knew what he was shooting down. I think

1260
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 3: that they probably didn't know exactly, but it was similar

1261
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 3: enough to these other reports. Why is it like almost

1262
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 3: a carbing copy description of the tic TAC it is

1263
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 3: pull up the initial description of that thing.

1264
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: The one over Alaska. Mm hmmm, because I know him.

1265
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: The he's in the word car because that's it was

1266
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: like a TV or something some weird He specifically said

1267
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: it was not a balloon, and then they took that out.

1268
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 3: Of the the they report retroactively deleted that part.

1269
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: From the minutes of him talking, and when they would

1270
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: easily just be like.

1271
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 3: A, oh oops, that was not really that that was

1272
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 3: an accident, Like, you know, it's not some super it's

1273
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 3: not some big conspiracy.

1274
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 2: It's just a little thing you can do real quick.

1275
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 3: They kind of just you know, little smoke a mirror

1276
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 3: is just enough to buy some time to figure out

1277
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 3: this shit. Like that's what you're doing, right, Like that's

1278
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 3: what I would do if I was in charge of

1279
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 3: making sure they didn't know. I'm like, okay, like a

1280
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 3: little smoke and mirrors here, you know, make sure that

1281
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 3: line's not in the report. And some interns like are

1282
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:21,799
Speaker 3: your shirt yes? Or you're fired?

1283
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1284
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah.

1285
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: It's weird how reminiscent it is to Roswell, you know,

1286
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: like our present day roswell for a new age. You know,

1287
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: it's super similar. But it's crazy to think like a

1288
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: little word change like that could have huge ramifications, like

1289
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: changing a flying disc to a weather balloon in nineteen

1290
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: forty seven. You know, it expands.

1291
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 3: The reason why I still think about it is because

1292
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Speaker 3: if it was just nothing, it's in their best interest

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01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 3: to prove that it was nothing, it would be show

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01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 3: us that it was a balloon, show us the evidens

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01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 3: all shut up and be like, yeah, I was, you know,

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01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 3: I was a little out there on that one. I was,

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01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 3: you know, I was speculating a little too hard. But like,

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01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 3: they would have that information, so they would share it,

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01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 3: and unless it was something that would be concerning, confusing

1300
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 3: or alarming or puzzling, then they.

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 2: Would share it.

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01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:17,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's something this idea of like making things

1303
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: top secret because of national security implications is something that

1304
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: Brian Bender talks a lot about. M He talks about

1305
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: all the time that I think Leslie King did as well,

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01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: that the government's mo is always too classify, classify, classify, classify, yep.

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01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: And I mean, ultimately that's the reason why we haven't

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01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: seen any pictures or any video of these things. They

1309
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: definitely have it, and they have it in HD quality,

1310
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, but they're always going to say even if

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01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: it was a weather balloon, if it was absolutely nothing,

1312
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: if it was a commercial, private funded weather balloon, we'll

1313
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: probably still never see it because they don't want us

1314
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 1: to know, because they would rather have it classified and

1315
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: not have to worry about the implications or the ramifications

1316
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: down the road of giving away anything. It isn't even

1317
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: always about the craft itself. If it were weather bloom,

1318
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: they may not want you to know that they've got

1319
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: a satellite that could zoom in ten thousand times and

1320
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: see something super clearly on the ground, and that may

1321
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 1: be what they took a picture with, and they don't

1322
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: want our enemies to know that we have that up there,

1323
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, you just never know what the

1324
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 1: national security implication is. But that's a lot of reasons

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01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: why we have so little evidence.

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01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 3: It wouldn't it be okay to say, hey, we shot

1327
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 3: something down of our own and everything's fine, but like

1328
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 3: it's classified.

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01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: Is that just? Is that giving away too much to

1330
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: the adversaries? No, But I think saying that people naturally

1331
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: would say prove it, you know, like show us how

1332
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 1: you know that, and then if they say we can't

1333
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,400
Speaker 1: do that, then you're kind of just back at square

1334
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: one and you've done nothing. Really, So why even give

1335
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: that information away? Why not just say it's classified and

1336
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 1: move on.

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01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 3: It just bothersome to me because it was a very

1338
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 3: short period of time, in less than a week, that

1339
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:54,679
Speaker 3: they treated one incident this way and another one differently.

1340
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 3: They treated one where they blatantly said what it was,

1341
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 3: showed off with high quality pictures what it was and video,

1342
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 3: and that they had shot it down and scooped it

1343
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:11,479
Speaker 3: up and then twenty four hours later it's something similar

1344
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 3: and silence totally.

1345
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, they said it was cylindrical and silverish gray,

1346
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: about the size of a small car.

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01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 3: So why would like you could even argue that that

1348
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 3: could be a balloon? Well, why would a balloon way

1349
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 3: out there be of interest unless it wasn't?

1350
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: And I remember if I remember correct, then it could

1351
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: be wrong, so fact check me on this. But this

1352
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 1: thing was moving pretty quick, right, Like, wasn't the jet

1353
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: struggling to keep up with it? Or they were like

1354
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: matching speed which would have been like four hundred miles

1355
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: an hours.

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01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 2: Is there a description of how it moved or.

1357
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: Did they say that it was stationary? I could be wrong.

1358
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 2: They didn't say it was stationary, I don't think.

1359
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: Well, they do say it seemed to be floating without

1360
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: any sign of propulsion, was at the whim of the wind,

1361
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:06,879
Speaker 1: But they said did not have enough information to determine

1362
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: if it was balloon, like they said it wasn't manned.

1363
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: M let's see, it interfered with the pilot's plane sensors.

1364
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: That's the weird part. That's the weirdest part.

1365
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 3: And interfered so not picked up on it, but interfered with.

1366
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: Pilots couldn't figure out how it was staying in the air,

1367
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: which seems to rule out balloon.

1368
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:37,919
Speaker 3: So no propulsion, not a balloon. Silver Metasa are pilots

1369
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 3: who are flying the most advanced craft that we know

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01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 3: about in the world. That's interesting, And it's even more

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01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 3: interesting that they closed the book on it immediately after,

1372
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 3: when days before they were an open book about allegedly

1373
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 3: the same thing.

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01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: Just saying yeah, it's bizarre. You know, I really think

1375
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: that it was just it was a situation where they

1376
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 1: got in over their head. They you know, they saw

1377
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: this balloon. They like they knew they need to shoot

1378
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: down the bloon, and they did. But because so many

1379
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: people's eyes are now in the sky watching everybody at

1380
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: the time. You remember, everybody's got their phones out. Everybody's

1381
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: looking in the sky hoping another balloon's going to fly

1382
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: over their state and they can get a video of it.

1383
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,519
Speaker 1: Knowing so many people are watching the sky, they've got

1384
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: to double their efforts to make sure nothing else is

1385
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: going to fly through the sky. Nothing's going to fall

1386
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: on a town kill somebody. So they're just on high

1387
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: alert they see these other things. The other thing that

1388
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 1: I remember from the article that was interesting is the

1389
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: reason they decided they needed to shoot these down was

1390
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: because there was it was it was flying an elevation

1391
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: that was dangerous to commercial aircraft, which those were the taks. Yeah, exactly.

1392
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: All these things seem to fly around like forty thousand feet.

1393
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 1: So when you say that and you say, Okay, we

1394
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: don't know what this is. It's not coming up in

1395
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: like the FA's database of approved things that should be

1396
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 1: in the skies. It's on our radars because we've tuned

1397
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 1: them differently to like check for these things. Now, what

1398
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 1: do we do with it. We got to air on

1399
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: the side of caution and get it out of the sky,

1400
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 1: because if it interferes with the plane and kills four

1401
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: hundred people, that's going to be a much bigger deal

1402
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: than if we just can shoot something down with one

1403
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: missile somewhere in Alaska. Right, whether or not it's an

1404
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,799
Speaker 1: alien or not. From that perspective, being in the military,

1405
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: you have a responsibility to the citizens to get rid

1406
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: of it, to get it out of it. And it's

1407
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 1: very likely that if it were UFO, even if it weren't,

1408
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: if they suspected that it were, they'd want to shoot

1409
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 1: it down and collect it. You know, if there's something

1410
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: they could learn from it, if they could develop our

1411
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: air force better, give us better technology, you're obviously you're

1412
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: going to want to do that. At the time what happened, Actually,

1413
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: I think so too. I subscribe to that. Yeah, they

1414
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: also said it wasn't an aircraft per se per se,

1415
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 1: it's more like a disc, like a hovercraft.

1416
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it is uncanny how similar the description is

1417
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 3: to the TIC tact though, And it's like I would

1418
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 3: i'd totally if I was wrong and it was just

1419
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,400
Speaker 3: some balloon, and I would just say, well, you know,

1420
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,759
Speaker 3: there were things that you said that made me think otherwise,

1421
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 3: you know, maybe be a little more clear on your

1422
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 3: description to the public of what it is.

1423
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 2: But I think I don't think it's that deep.

1424
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 3: I think it's probably is what it is, and on

1425
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 3: the surface, I don't have to go very far to think, eh,

1426
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 3: it's a little weird. I think that they shot down

1427
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 3: something that was, you know, a little more interesting than

1428
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 3: the other things, and they don't want to tell us

1429
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 3: about it because they don't fully know either.

1430
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, to like build on this and also tie it

1431
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 1: back into another episode. When we talked to Ryan Graves,

1432
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: he mentioned being out on I think it was the

1433
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,759
Speaker 1: Atlantic Ocean, somewhere like sixty miles out and for years

1434
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: he would see these things off the coast of America.

1435
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: And there have been reports from the Navy from both

1436
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:53,799
Speaker 1: coasts that these things that I mean exactly match that description,

1437
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 1: just float out in armadas, I mean in like several,

1438
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: like I don't know how many. I think they said

1439
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: they had like six on the Tiktak video. Like, these

1440
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: things just seem to float out one hundred miles off

1441
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: our coast. And if they're out there, and they've been

1442
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: there since if I remember, he said since like twenty

1443
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: fourteen is when he first started seeing them, it's likely

1444
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 1: these things are all over the world, you know, maybe

1445
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: in hidden places or places where there's not heavy population.

1446
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: But the odds that we shoot down two in a week,

1447
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: maybe it's not crazy that they were there. Maybe they're

1448
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: all over the place and we just happened to see

1449
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: those two because we were looking.

1450
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, so I think you're right about that.

1451
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: The thing that makes me just most like this wasn't

1452
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 1: a balloon is that they were scrambled on in the

1453
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 1: most expensive jets. Right, they did visuals, got images, right,

1454
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: definitely took photos of it, shot it down. Maybe maybe

1455
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: they didn't. They say they recovered pieces of it. But

1456
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: when John Greenwald requested any images or photos or videos

1457
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: from these events, they're all classified. So why why, like,

1458
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: is it some secret Russian or Chinese thing that we

1459
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: can't see? Which why can't we see We can't even

1460
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: see the debris of it like that. It's very very

1461
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: fishy that they're not just like, hey, guys, it was

1462
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: just a balloon. Here's some pictures of it.

1463
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 3: Because a few days ago, you guys basically told us

1464
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 3: that you will show us, Hey, look this is that

1465
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,600
Speaker 3: balloon and we got it for you America and it

1466
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 3: was the Chinese, and we you know, we show them

1467
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 3: and it's like okay. Then just a few days later

1468
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,799
Speaker 3: the complete opposite. That tells me that it's something different,

1469
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 3: something more important in some sort of way.

1470
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 1: And what if it was what if it was theirs? Right?

1471
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 3: It was it was some secret, some blunder like government. Yeah,

1472
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:52,600
Speaker 3: that was Joe's weather balloon. It's always a weather balloon. No.

1473
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 1: I meant like, let's say it was skunkworks or something.

1474
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,920
Speaker 3: There's so many damn weather balloons up there. Why can

1475
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 3: the meteorologists get the rain right? I mean, like, at

1476
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 3: this point, it's just maybe weather balloons just didn't really

1477
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 3: work that well or something.

1478
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 2: It was a primitive idea.

1479
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 3: Some meteorologist is gonna tweet it me like actually, and

1480
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 3: that's fine, Like I actually don't know, please tweeted me.

1481
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,799
Speaker 3: But I'm like, weather balloon, that seems like an archaic

1482
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 3: thing at this point. I'm sure we still use them,

1483
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 3: but like they're not getting the weather from that, are they?

1484
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 3: I don't think so.

1485
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 1: I think after one hundred years, people would just stop

1486
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: losing their weather balloons.

1487
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 2: There's too many damn weather balloons to not have more

1488
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 2: accurate weather.

1489
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 1: It's true. Seriously, Well it's aliens in there here.

1490
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 3: So before we wrap up this roundtable, I want to

1491
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 3: figure out a way to keep this podcast going, keep

1492
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 3: High Strange going, keep talking about this stuff right, And

1493
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 3: obviously I want to do a second season of some

1494
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 3: sort I want to be able to dive into more cases,

1495
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 3: interview more people, even expand it beyond America. I've had

1496
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 3: a lot of questions from people saying, well, you know,

1497
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 3: I was compelled by the podcast, but it seems like

1498
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 3: it might just be an American thing.

1499
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 2: And I totally get that. It does on the surface

1500
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 2: kind of seem that way.

1501
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 3: But you know, just from our basic research, it's happening

1502
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 3: all over the place, and there's other stories that are

1503
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,639
Speaker 3: in some ways even more compelling than what we told

1504
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 3: in this series, that have happened all over the globe,

1505
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:41,599
Speaker 3: And so one I want to do a second season

1506
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 3: the way like season one, where it's a deep dive

1507
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 3: into this concept, this idea, and talk to the people

1508
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:55,879
Speaker 3: who've witnessed things and really you know, challenge their stories,

1509
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 3: put together, put together the evidence, and lay it out

1510
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 3: there for the listener to decide for themselves, and just

1511
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 3: expand on it a little deeper. Now that we've had

1512
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 3: our introduction to the topic, let's dive even deeper, now

1513
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 3: that we're not thinking about just the basics of whether

1514
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 3: or not this is interesting to you. But at the

1515
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 3: same time, you know, it took us shit at least

1516
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 3: a year and a half to make high strange logistically,

1517
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 3: it was hard traveling all over the country to talk

1518
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 3: to these people. But the cool part about it now

1519
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 3: is that so many people email us and you know,

1520
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 3: reach out to us with their stories and all the

1521
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,720
Speaker 3: people that I've met along the way other journalists have

1522
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 3: kind of plugged us into the pipeline a little bit,

1523
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 3: which has been really cool. And we'll have a lot better,

1524
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 3: more efficient access to do with season two.

1525
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: All that to say, what do we do in the interim?

1526
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 3: I feel like we should keep talking about this stuff

1527
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 3: like us and we decide we should decide right now

1528
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:14,799
Speaker 3: to commit to a season two and just dive headfirst

1529
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 3: in again. And in the meantime we should talk about

1530
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 3: the subject like a traditional podcast. And I kind of

1531
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 3: want to get just a temperature from the listeners those

1532
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 3: out there hearing this, like would that be of interest

1533
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 3: to you? Would you listen to that? If you would,

1534
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 3: then I think that we could keep going and also

1535
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 3: have on tons of guests. I mean, we have so

1536
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 3: many people we've met and there's probably unanswered questions even

1537
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 3: from us on certain guests that we're on season one,

1538
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 3: that we could dive a little deeper into and just

1539
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 3: keep the conversation going and evolving and not get stale.

1540
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 3: So I want to know from the listeners, those out

1541
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 3: there hearing this, would you want us to keep going

1542
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 3: and talk about this in this way while we put

1543
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 3: together a buttoned up season two?

1544
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 2: Would you do that? If the answer is no, it's

1545
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 2: all good.

1546
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 3: But I feel like, selfishly, selfishly, I want to do

1547
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 3: it because now this topic I can't get out of

1548
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 3: my head, and I feel like we could offer a

1549
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:39,959
Speaker 3: different sort of approach to this, just like the podcast

1550
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 3: was before. But why just shut it down and wait?

1551
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 3: Why not keep talking about it? We might be able

1552
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 3: to find more interesting stuff to put in season two.

1553
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 3: I don't know, what are your thoughts still on?

1554
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1555
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 3: I know.

1556
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 1: I mean the podcast itself is it's such a unique

1557
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 1: look into this subject. It comes from a really unique place,

1558
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:05,600
Speaker 1: which is very fact based, very evidence based, talking to

1559
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: people who are very reputable people, you know, and a

1560
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: lot of people in this space. Nothing against them, because

1561
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 1: it is fun to talk about, but a lot of

1562
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 1: people just love to talk about like the the outer limits,

1563
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, the wild side of this, the crazy things

1564
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: you could never prove or disprove, and that's fun. To

1565
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,639
Speaker 1: talk about. But I think what's really going to push

1566
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: this conversation forward is stuff like this, you know, like

1567
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: High Strangers the podcast, and even like this, like Roundtable.

1568
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,560
Speaker 1: It's like this is unique even on top of that

1569
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: in that it's much longer form. You know, we've been

1570
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: going for an hour and a half just shooting the

1571
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 1: ship talking about what. Yeah, tell me about it.

1572
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 3: Shotgun the first upstairs bathroom. I'm serious, I might not

1573
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 3: making it an adult I'm sure I've had like four

1574
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 3: bottle waters in the past like three hours. Yeah.

1575
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I keep an empty bottle. I'm too hydrated.

1576
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm over hydrated. Yeah, but it's uh, it's it's a

1577
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: cool platform, you know. So I hope we get to

1578
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: keep doing it and get to expand on it, because

1579
01:23:58,800 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: it'd be a lot of fun.

1580
01:23:59,680 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1581
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 3: If if, if you're if your game as a listener

1582
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 3: to keep hearing us ramble and and also you know,

1583
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:11,280
Speaker 3: have some cool interviews and you know, unpack some details

1584
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 3: for real, then I would love to know your thoughts

1585
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 3: on that, and we'll promise you a badass second season

1586
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 3: and we'll update you right here along the way.

1587
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: Do we have like a tip line or something people

1588
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 1: can email.

1589
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 2: Still it's three.

1590
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. Someone's gonna be like cool. So if

1591
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 3: it starts with three and he almost said one, but

1592
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 3: what what are the could you do that?

1593
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: Could you figure out?

1594
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 2: There'd be a lot of combinations. Good luck.

1595
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 3: If you call me and that's how you found it,

1596
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 3: then I'll talk to you for real. I'll put it

1597
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 3: in the we can just add that, like we should

1598
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 3: make a number. I think that I actually would. I

1599
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 3: would love to talk to listeners about this. I also

1600
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 3: want more opinions in the room, more takes. I think

1601
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 3: that you know, we made this podcast not really having

1602
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 3: a fully formulated take on this, and it's it's an

1603
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 3: ever evolving thing in my head, and I want to

1604
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 3: talk to tons of different people, all walks of life

1605
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 3: and just kind of get their two cents, Like, what

1606
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:29,600
Speaker 3: are your thoughts on this?

1607
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 2: How does this make you feel? You know, what kind

1608
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 2: of theory do you have?

1609
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 3: Like, let's just spark the discussion and maybe we'll get

1610
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 3: somewhere through that. You know, no one's right or wrong here,

1611
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 3: It's just it's an unsolved mystery. It's still unsolved, but

1612
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 3: it's going to stay that way unless we talk about it.

1613
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 3: Even if we learn tomorrow that it's all fake, which

1614
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 3: I think would be impossible at this point, I think

1615
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 3: that we would have probably helped push it to that answer. Still,

1616
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 3: So regardless of what it is, I think until we

1617
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 3: know for certain, you know, a healthy conversation wouldn't hurt.

1618
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 2: Mike. What are your thoughts?

1619
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you should also send in all of

1620
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: your hate mail.

1621
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,479
Speaker 3: If the answer is no, I'm gonna get a hundred

1622
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 3: emails of people saying, hell, no, dude, I don't want

1623
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 3: to hear you talk. Go make that show. And you

1624
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 3: guys are be like, so what do they say? I'm like, dude,

1625
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 3: they really dig it. They love this idea, and I'm like,

1626
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 3: oh my god, I gotta I gotta tell them.

1627
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,360
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, if if they listen this far

1628
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: into this episode and send a you're lying. You listen

1629
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 1: to it and you liked it, so you're getting more

1630
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: either of course.

1631
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 3: And here's the thing, Like I would probably get annoyed

1632
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,600
Speaker 3: of hearing myself, to be honest, but I feel like

1633
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 3: it could be interesting to get a little insight on

1634
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 3: you know, even us just making the damn thing.

1635
01:26:57,640 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 2: It's uh, and we'll give you some nuggets.

1636
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 3: We'll spoil some stuff for you, you know, not too much,

1637
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:06,680
Speaker 3: but like enough for you to stay interested. But I'm like,

1638
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 3: it'd be kind of cool if we just decided, you know,

1639
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 3: we didn't know what was going to happen with High Strange.

1640
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 3: We didn't know if people would like it, if it

1641
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 3: was you know, if it was too kooky, if it

1642
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 3: was you know, not interesting enough. But I think now

1643
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 3: that it's you know, the last episode is out, where

1644
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 3: do we go from here? I want to make a

1645
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 3: second season even better than the first, But how do

1646
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 3: we keep this thing alive, you know, between now and none?

1647
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 3: Maybe we just meet every week or once a month

1648
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 3: or I don't know what it is and just kind

1649
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,560
Speaker 3: of shoot the shit about this kind of stuff and

1650
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 3: further unpack the details of season one, and also bringing

1651
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 3: back all these guests and invite the listeners to ask

1652
01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:00,959
Speaker 3: questions and just make it an open, an open conversation

1653
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 3: that I think could be a lot of fun and

1654
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 3: we might learn something.

1655
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 2: Maybe not, but it does sound fun. You know, Mike,

1656
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 2: you haven't said very much.

1657
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 3: Mike's just like, I'm just thinking about trying to think

1658
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 3: of a good joke. He's like, what's funny that I

1659
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 3: could say.

1660
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: I think we do it. I think it's gonna be

1661
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: an endless topic. That's I'm fully consumed in it since

1662
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 1: before we, you know, start researching it for high strange,

1663
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 1: I was kind of really into UFOs, aliens, high strangeness.

1664
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: I really like Bigfoot, all kinds of things. I like him.

1665
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: I've met him.

1666
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 2: Okay, he's a nice guy.

1667
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, No, I'm fascinated with all of the unexplained,

1668
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: even with people who go missing without a trace. That's

1669
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,519
Speaker 1: fascinating me. Any any mystery in the world. Like you,

1670
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: I'm just like you. Where I loved the Twilight Zone.

1671
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: I love the unexplained, the mysterious, that out there stuff.

1672
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm very into it. So I can talk about this

1673
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: stuff all day, every day, and I enjoy to talk

1674
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 1: about it. So, yeah, I won't send you hate mail

1675
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: saying don't do it. We'll try it not to you. Okay,

1676
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it. Yeah, I'm like this, bro. I

1677
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: know this is a fake email address, it still has it.

1678
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,400
Speaker 3: I can see it. I saw it on your phone.

1679
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 3: Minds you not Mike at gmail dot com. Yeah, okay,

1680
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 3: so yeah, please email us tell us your thoughts, send

1681
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 3: us an email. Send us an email at tips at

1682
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 3: high strange dot com. I'm gonna go make a phone

1683
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 3: number for this and I'll add it after this this roundtable.

1684
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:46,759
Speaker 3: But yeah, tell us what you think, and we're pretty

1685
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 3: energized about doing a second season. I think that it'd

1686
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:52,839
Speaker 3: be super fun and there's so much more to explore

1687
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 3: if you guys are down for that, you know, we'd

1688
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:56,479
Speaker 3: love to hear your thoughts on that.

1689
01:29:57,160 --> 01:30:01,600
Speaker 2: And would you entertain hearing us shoot the ship for

1690
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: a little

1691
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 3: Bit in between them if we gave you some cool stuff,

1692
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 3: right secrets, secret information,