1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: Wednesday edition. We are together in New York City early 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: preview stay dinner for all the bets I'm gonna win. 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: Last night with Bucks soon to be father in law 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: and Raffi from the Fox Corporate Establishment. Fun time last 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: night as we were sitting around talking about all the 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: issues of the day, basically continuing the conversation. We will 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: be doing that with all of you and Buck. Last 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: night while we were at dinner, the Washington Post came 11 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: out with a story that the Department of Justice is 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: officially investigating Donald Trump. Now just calling my shot one 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: more time. I think they are going to charge Hunter 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: Biden with felonies and also we'll try to get Donald 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: Trump for a conspiracy and argue that that is how 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: they are balancing out that they are not a political 17 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: in nature, even though we know the Department of Justice 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: is very political in nature. Donald Trump going to be 19 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: at Bedminster tomorrow for a live golf tour event scheduled 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: to join us on Friday live on this program. Buck, 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: My general thoughts were I wasn't surprised because I've kind 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: of been anticipating that some story like this would come 23 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: out because Merritt Garland is under such pressure in the 24 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: wake of all of the January sixth investigations to try 25 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: and hold Donald Trump accountable for the insurrection as they 26 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: call it, and the attack against democracy, even as Democrats 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: right now are supporting Donald Trump fielded candidates because they 28 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: think they're better able to be beaten. If you're really 29 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: worried about democracy, would you be spending millions of dollars 30 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: to make sure that Republicans, in your mind, are nominating 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: Trump focused vote nominees. But did this surprise you at 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: all that the news came down that it would come 33 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: from a member of the Biden administration, effectively in the 34 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: Washington Post, which default pr for the Biden administration, and 35 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: certainly Merrick Garland, as we said, under pressure. He's trying 36 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: to alleviate that pressure a little bit by saying, see, guys, 37 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: we are paying attention here. Well, it does force you 38 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: to ask the question once again, what is the real purpose? 39 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: I don't mean the stated purpose. We all know it's 40 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: defending guard democracy, right, so that people who are in 41 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: hysterics over the one time the right has been involved 42 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: in a riot in recent years, in recent memory. That's 43 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: what they say in Congress. It's about what is it 44 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: really about? If it were creating a narrative that allowed 45 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: Democrats a better chance of keeping their seats in Congress, 46 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: we would certainly see that at some level reflected in 47 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: the numbers. If anything, it has gone in the other direction, 48 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: because they're putting all this focus on things that aren't 49 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: the price of gas, that aren't the price of groceries, 50 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: the things that people get energized understandably about when it 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: comes to voting right. So then what is the purpose 52 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: We come back to the fundamental question, Clay, I think 53 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: that it is certainly to create the perception that they 54 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: could indict Donald Trump right so effectively the j six 55 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: Commission makes it so that he's like an unindicted co 56 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: conspirator in the election. Now the Washington the Washington Post 57 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: puts out this story, Um, you know, Drudge has a 58 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: link up DJ Target on the down with a question mark. 59 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: They say, and I read the Washington Post piece last 60 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: night after it came out. They say, there are a 61 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: couple of things going on here. One is there are 62 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: two different tracks right, So then then tell me what 63 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: you think about these as a from from the prosecution 64 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: point of view. The first this is a quote from 65 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: the piece, centers on seditious conspiracy and conspiracy to obstruct 66 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: a government proceeding, the type of charges already filed against 67 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: individuals who stormed the capital. Okay, that's track one. Yeah, 68 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: Track two. The second quote involves potential fraud associated with 69 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: the false elector's scheme or with pressure Trump and his 70 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: allies allegedly put on the Justice Department and others to 71 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: falsely claim the election was rigged and votes were fraudulently cast. Okay, 72 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: those are they're saying the two possible prosecution tracks. The 73 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: first one feels like a declaration of political nuclear war, 74 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: the second one a little bit more flimsy from the outset. 75 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: What do you think about either or both of these? 76 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: I've been arguing that they were going to charge him 77 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: if they charged him with anything with a conspiracy because 78 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: and I go all the way back to when I 79 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: was in law school. My criminal law professor at the time, 80 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: Don Hall, lecturing us in criminal law the initial first 81 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: year legal course, he said, what do you get What 82 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: do you do if you got him for nothing else, 83 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: but you feel like you want to bring charges, you 84 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: charge them with a conspiracy because it's a very amorphous charge, 85 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: because you're not even arguing necessarily that an act to 86 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: a large extent occurred, but just that that an act 87 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: was planned in some way. And so I have thought 88 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: that if they were ever going to charge Trump with 89 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: anything relating to January sixth, it would be a conspiracy 90 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: of sorts. The challenge that I think they've got buck 91 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: in terms of the advantage they have. Let's start with 92 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: the advantage. The advantage they have is Washington DC. We've 93 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: seen Steve Vannon already be convicted, We've seen Hillary Clinton's 94 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: co conspirators walk over the Russia collusion. They have a 95 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: home field advantage, a forum that is very favorable to 96 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: them associated with Washington DC, which is ninety percent Democrats. 97 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: So Trump getting charged with anything in Washington DC is 98 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: a difficult scenario. Having said that, if I am looking 99 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: at this from a legal perspective as a defense attorney, 100 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: which I have been before, I think it's really hard 101 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 1: to make a case against Trump because there are lawyers 102 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: that were making the case that he could leave legally 103 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: advocate for which he was advocating. In other words, it 104 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: may be outside the bounds of normal legal process, but 105 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: there are lawyers who would argue that Mike Pence had 106 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: the right to reject the electors right, that there was 107 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: in some basis a legal claim there. And if you're 108 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: out there and you're saying, well that's crazy, look at 109 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: what Joe Biden has done. Let's take it outside of 110 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: January sixth. Joe Biden has consistently advocated for policies that 111 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: even his own legal advisers have said, well, there's no 112 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: basis for this. The example was the extension of the 113 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: eviction moratorium. He even said, legally, we don't have a 114 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: very strong argument here, but I'm going to do it 115 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: because it might stall the overall evictions and give some benefits. 116 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: My point is Trump is not a lawyer. If he 117 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: is relying on the advice of some lawyers, even if 118 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: it is not necessarily a sound legal strategy, it is 119 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: a legal strategy which makes it hard for me to 120 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: believe that there is any criminal liability. So I want 121 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: to do a sports thing for second year. You tell 122 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: me if this one lines up. It is as though 123 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: the Democrats are an opposing football team. And they are 124 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: saying that the team, the Trump team, through a challenge 125 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: flag and they did so in bad faith. Essentially, they 126 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: knew that there wasn't a penalty to be called, but 127 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: they threw a flag anyway, and they should be penalized 128 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: for that, which then just tells you that they think 129 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: this is an issue of judgment that is so bad 130 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: or so bad faith that somehow, even if you're trying 131 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: to stay within the rules. I mean, this is on 132 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: the second counts on potential fraud associated with the false 133 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: elector's scheme or whatever they're calling it. Trump thought they 134 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: cheated and Trump was talking to lawyers more than they cheated. 135 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: So Trump throws a flag, so to speak, and they're saying, hey, 136 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: he's not allowed to throw the flag because it was 137 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: so obvious there wasn't a penalty. But that's actually not 138 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: how the system works. Yeah, and I think intent is 139 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: hard to prove, and this goes back to the basics 140 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 1: of criminal law in general. You have to show both 141 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: a men's raya and an actus reea. For people out there, 142 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: you have to show the intent and an act to 143 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: further the intent in order to be guilty of most 144 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: criminal offenses and if Trump truly believed that there was fraud, 145 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: and if he reliably listened to his attorneys and followed 146 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: their legal advice in any way, which I think he did, 147 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: there is no crime here. And it's funny because you 148 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: think about the Russia collusion fiasco, and I was warning 149 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: people all throughout that people are saying, oh, just wait, 150 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: there's gonna be all. They're gonna be froug marching guys 151 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: out of the FBI and handcuffs, And I said, no, 152 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen, because the ultimate fallback for all 153 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: the Russia collusion conspirators was going to be we were 154 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: so dumb that we actually believe that we are so 155 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: reckless and stupid in the way we did our jobs 156 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: at the FBI and at the CIA, etc. That you 157 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: could just flow a news story to us, an actual 158 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: press clipping to us, we'd say, Oh, that looks true, 159 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: let's just go with that. Or we would believe the 160 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: Steele dossier with the PP tape and all the rest 161 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: of it. We're so dumb that we actually it's not 162 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: that we wanted to believe it, so we could then 163 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,359 Speaker 1: go on offense, which is what really happened. The FBI's 164 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: claim all along combing the rest of them, was there 165 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: such hysterical lunatics about hating Trump that they believed all 166 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: the Russia collusion stuff And you can't you can't prosecute 167 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: stupid or also be a lot of people. Well again, Buck, 168 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: does anybody out there doubt that Trump, whether you love 169 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: or hate Trump, does anybody out there doubt that Trump 170 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: legitimately believes that the election was stolen from him in 171 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I don't think even the most died in 172 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: the wall anti Trump person I don't think is arguing 173 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: that Trump is acting on a falsehood. I think he 174 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: believes it, and that's on the election side of it. 175 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: On the seditious conspiracy possibility, this would have to be 176 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: that there was a credible threat to the overthrow of 177 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: the United States government him and all these so serious 178 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: congressmen and legal analysts going on cable news are gonna 179 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: have to are going to be presenting to a jury. 180 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: The jury is a bunch of anti Trump lives because 181 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: it's DC. But if they brought this charge, they would 182 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: be saying that there was a credible effort. Right if 183 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: some guy, if some crazy guy shows up to the 184 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: front gate of an army base and says I'm here 185 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: to overthrow the United States military. You're not gonna You're 186 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: gonna put him in bellevue or something. You're gonna say 187 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: this guy needs a psych evaluation. You're not gonna charge 188 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: him with overthrowing the military if he shows up bare 189 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: handed and says I'm here to overthrow the military. Right, 190 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: there has to be some credible reality to this, and 191 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: there is no credible reality to furry hat guy with 192 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: the spear and all the people taking selfies, and yes, 193 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: even the people that were assaulting police who should be 194 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: punished and are being severely punished. I might add, i'mlik 195 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: in a lot of other assaults on police officers. There's 196 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: no credible threat of overthrow of the United States Government's 197 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: why anyone who says it's an insurrection is a liar 198 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: or an idiot. Clay, I think so, Buck. And for 199 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: anybody out there who has never talked to a big 200 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: group of lawyers together, first of all, congratulations, because if 201 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: you've ever talked to a lot of lawyers when it's 202 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: a great lawe what do you have when you have 203 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: a lawyer up to his neck and cement not enough cement, 204 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: which as a lawyer, I could say, if there are 205 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: ten lawyers advising Donald Trump, they could all have ten 206 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: different theories of the case about how Trump should be 207 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: contesting the twenty twenty election. If he has ten different 208 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: lawyers making arguments, maybe five or six of those lawyers 209 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: agree that the most likely path he should follow is X. 210 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: But if somebody's arguing for why, and Trump decides that 211 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: he wants to go in the why direction, then I 212 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: don't understand if he's relying on lawyers to make legal arguments, 213 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: even if they are aggressive legal arguments, and even if 214 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: most constitutional scholars don't agree with them. If he is, 215 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: as an untrained lawyer listening to ten different lawyers and picking, hey, 216 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: I want to go in this direction, I don't understand 217 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: how the intent is there to do any of this 218 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: other than to pursue, to the full extent of the 219 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: law his legal opportunities, which is his ultimate best defense. 220 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: And obviously this all really does turn into a political 221 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: question as much or more so than it is even 222 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: a legal one, as in do the Democrats have the 223 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: intestinal fortitude to push this through? Merrick Garland the DOJ 224 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: to indict a former president on. Look, if the former 225 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: president was found, you know, if he had done something 226 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: that would be uh, you know, criminal under under state law, 227 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: right if he had if he had killed somebody. You're 228 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: just trying to argue right now, right, But I mean 229 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: something that's a legal and all states that's like a 230 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: violent assault, right, that would be But to try to 231 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: charge a former president with a political crime is third 232 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: world banana republic stuff. We all know it. 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What do 268 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: you think the odds are that the vaccine passports are back? 269 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna get I'm gonna have like a 270 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: panic attack on the air, my engagement party having issues 271 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: because of the vaccine passports. I mean, I will say, 272 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm worried that by the wintertime, there's gonna be you know, 273 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: those old posters in the West like wanted yea, you 274 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: know there's gonna be wanted posters of you up the 275 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: vaccine banded. I'm vaccinated. I'm not coming to New York 276 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: City if they invite no stretch of the imagination. If 277 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: they bring back the vaccine pass I can't go anywhere. 278 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: Just remember, if you have to get all five shots 279 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: at once and they want to televise this, just blink 280 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: and we'll know that you're doing this against your will. Okay, 281 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: how much would they have to pay you to get 282 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: all five shots or you only had one to get 283 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: four COVID shots? Right now, just because some people give 284 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: it a hard time about this, just remember I got 285 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: the non MR and A one shot that about three 286 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: months after you got it. They're like, well, that didn't 287 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: do anything. Yeah, that was totally worthless. It was totally worthless. 288 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: So it's a complete if you wanted to do the 289 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm not actually gonna really do this move. That was 290 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: the move to get the one shot Jay. I thought 291 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: it was so funny too. They're like, yeah, well you 292 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: can nix and match with other ones. I'm like, I'm good. 293 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: Did they even still? Could you get the one shot 294 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: if you wanted it still? Oh? Man, that's a good question. 295 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: I feel like you probably get a great deal on 296 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: Jay and Jay one shot vaccines right now. They probably 297 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: have warehouses with millions and millions. They're destroying tens of 298 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: millions of the shots now. Yeah, of course, because nobody 299 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: wants it's amazing, and you know if anyone didn't. If 300 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: you want to see how how well or not well 301 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: your your breakfast settles. Read about all the Fizer and 302 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: Moderna execs. Who are you know, third person in the 303 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: HR department at Moderno just bought an eight million dollar 304 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: house in Boston or whatever. It was a great article 305 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal about how much these executives 306 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: are being rewarded for COVID shots that don't work, that 307 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: have no liability hanging out over them. It's the best 308 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: business model in the history of any capitalist society. A 309 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: massive product, a massive product mandate with no liability attached 310 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: to it too, so like you can make everyone take 311 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: it and no matter what it does to them, shut 312 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: up peasant in theory. No expiration date either. I mean, 313 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: there are people out there. They're gonna be getting COVID 314 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: shot five, COVID shot six over the next year, and 315 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: I don't know when they're going to actually not mandated. 316 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: I saw and give credit to Trump because he took 317 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: We've been talking about this on the show for a while. 318 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: He said in this turning point speech. I think over 319 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: the weekend that if you are in the military and 320 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: you lost your job over the COVID shot, you should 321 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: be rehired, given back pay, and apologize to any Republican 322 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: of the national level should make that a part of 323 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: their platform. That as a promise. That's honestly, it's a 324 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: debt of honor to those who served, who were affected 325 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: by this. So we're not gonna we're not gonna drop 326 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: that fight. Just so you all know, Clay, we said 327 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna come back. You bring us back here, and 328 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: let's because we talked about the legal back and forth 329 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: on whether they would bring an indictment, a criminal charge 330 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: against Trump. Let's talk about the political realities of this, 331 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: and also this scheme of Democrats where they're trying to 332 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: pick pro Trump candidates. This is the national level, like 333 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 1: DNC policy. 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We are talking about Washington Post 357 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: story surrounding the Department of Justice investigating Trump to see 358 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: whether or not they may be charging him with something 359 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: of a criminal offense relating to January six. Then we've 360 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: been discussing the legal permutations of that. Let's talk about 361 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: the political angles on this. Buck. My theory is one 362 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: reason the Department of Justice is panicked is certainly this 363 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: is an unbelievable move too. We've never seen anything like this. 364 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: You mentioned third world country, Banana Republic. The idea of 365 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 1: charging the Department of Justice that is currently in power 366 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: for the president who ran against Trump, meaning Biden. The 367 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: idea of charging the guy who may well run against 368 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: you in twenty twenty four with a crime while you 369 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: are in presidential office is a huge expansionist overreach of 370 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: anything that we have ever seen before, and so I 371 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: think the legal ramifications are seismic. I also think, politically, Buck, 372 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: there's this idea that January sixth, theorings are going to 373 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: weakend Donald Trump and may him not the nominee or 374 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: knock him out of the political establishment. I think if 375 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: the Merrick Garland Department of Justice charges Donald Trump with 376 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: a crime related to January six I think the people 377 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: who support Trump are going to support him even more aggressively. 378 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: And far from knocking Trump out of running for the 379 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four presidency, I think it virtually guarantees that 380 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: he is going to run, beyond the shadow of a doubt. 381 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: I would find it stunning if you off air we're 382 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: talking about how they're basically poking the bear. I don't 383 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: know that they've recognized that they are in seeking in 384 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: their mind to knock Trump out of political contention, actually 385 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: ensuring that he remains in it with their behavior. The 386 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: best thing they could do to Trump, I think, Buck 387 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: is just ignore him in claim that he's not relevant. 388 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: That's the thing that he would hate the most. Charging 389 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: him with the crime pretty much guarantees he runs. And 390 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: just so you know, Clay and I we were at 391 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: the dinner here in New York last night with some friends, 392 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: and we're constantly going back and forth and talking about 393 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 1: the different ways that this situation, because this is the 394 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: future of the country, right and with it, at some level, 395 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: the future of certainly the free world. Who's going to 396 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: be the next commander in chief. There's big stuff at 397 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: stake here, and there's a lot of different ways that 398 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: you can see this playing out, and the psychology of this, 399 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: I think is in a constant state of flux. I 400 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: think that Democrats haven't come around yet to the thought 401 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: that maybe Donald Trump a second a second time, sorry, 402 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: a third time around in total, but a second time 403 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: against Biden would be a different and harder to defeat 404 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: candidate for Biden, because one, now Biden has a record 405 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: as president that is abysmal. Yes, And two, I do 406 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: think that there were some lessons learned about the games 407 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: they played with the actual mail in balloting, the dropboxes, 408 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: all these things they use COVID to change, So I 409 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: think that there would be much closer watch on that 410 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: in another presidential election. But effectively, their assumption, I think, 411 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,959 Speaker 1: up to this point has been the Democrats have been 412 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: assuming that Biden can still beat Trump. I think they 413 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: have thought that, but now with the polls where they 414 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: are with Biden, I mean, you see the thing he did, 415 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: what was it last night where they got his eyes 416 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: didn't blink for it was weird. There's something going on here. 417 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: They definitely shot him up. There's something happening here, folks, Okay. 418 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: And also they've done so much stuff to his face 419 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: at this point, I mean, I wonder if we have 420 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: any any surgeons who specialize in plastics, and can they 421 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: do too much of a facelift? I mean, is it 422 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: a dangerous At some point they're they're gonna pull the 423 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 1: skin too tight. The whole thing they've done to Biden 424 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: is meant to present something that's not reality, which is 425 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: an astute guy who's got plenty of energy, who's not 426 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: too old, who looks the part, who sounds the part. 427 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: All that's fallen apart now and so Trump going up 428 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: against him again, I think that they be that's their 429 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: best shot, clay of him being able to win. I 430 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: don't know about that. I'm starting to think that maybe 431 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: they should be a lot more scared of the bear 432 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: there poking than they are. I think you're right, And 433 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: there's a couple of things that I would build off there. 434 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: First of all, Biden's entire justification for running, by and large, 435 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 1: was that he was going to get America back to 436 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: being normal. That Trump represented a period of abnormalcy, and 437 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden would restore normalcy to the country. Does anyone 438 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: out there, Democrat, Republican, or independent think that Joe Biden 439 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: has done that in any way? I think the answer 440 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: is no, And Democrats are overwhelmingly telling you that the 441 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: justification for his entire candidacy to exist has failed. This 442 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: came out last night, Buck, who do you think the 443 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: Democrat Party should nominate as the party's candidate for president 444 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four? This is from CNN. In a 445 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: poll that came out in January and February of this year, 446 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: forty five percent of Democrats said Biden, fifty one percent 447 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: said a different candidate. Now we are sitting here in July, 448 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: just about six months after that previous poll, only twenty 449 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: five percent of Democrats think that Biden should be the nominee. 450 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: Seventy five percent of Democrats this is a CNN poll, 451 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: say there should be somebody different than Joe Biden. Nominated. 452 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: I think that's because they all recognize that he has 453 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: failed as a president, and so I feel more confident 454 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: in Republicans by far nominating Donald Trump than I do 455 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: in Democrats nominating Biden. Now, your point, which is one 456 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,479 Speaker 1: that you have made for a while, is the only 457 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: way that Biden gets nominated is if Trump runs, because 458 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: that's the Democrat they feel like can beat Trump. I 459 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: don't think that's true anymore. I think even Democrats are 460 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: looking at some of these polls and say, and we're 461 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: not winning Pennsylvania, We're not winning Michigan, We're not winning Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, 462 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,719 Speaker 1: all these states that are sort of in the margin, 463 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: the Purple states, as it were. Trump is leading pretty 464 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: substantially in those right now. And I don't know that 465 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: Biden has that sell ability now that he did when 466 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: James Clyburn back in twenty twenty in South Carolina basically 467 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: said you're our guy, go beat Trump. And COVID's not 468 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: going to be a factor. And I think Big Tech 469 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: is going to have to be a lot more nervous 470 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: about all of the hands that they put on the 471 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: scales of justice in favor of Biden going forward. I 472 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: think Trump would whip Biden if they ran in twenty 473 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: twenty four, based on what we've seen of eighteen months 474 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: of Biden. You'd have to think so. I mean, at 475 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: this point, if Trump isn't going to be able to 476 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: defeat Biden in a match, what would it take. Right, 477 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: think about this, The Democrats could have had a pretty 478 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: mediocre presidency with Biden up to this point. They'd be 479 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: telling everybody how brilliant he was, how great he was, 480 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: and there would at least be some ability to hold 481 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: together the initial narrative, the initial promise. But as you 482 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 1: point out, things are so bad. Yes, things are so 483 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: awful that Democrats themselves realize it because what matters to 484 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: them isn't consistency, it is a principle. It's power, and 485 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: Joe Biden becoming a threat to their handle on power 486 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: is the one thing that gets them more upset, that 487 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: gets them more bothered than absolutely anything else. So I 488 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: don't know if they think that charging Trump would be 489 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: at this point in there. They would love to do it, right, 490 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: It would be cathartic for them. They would get they 491 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: would get fired up. Oh that's right, we're showing Trump. 492 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: But would it mean that they would then have to 493 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: deal with a completely reinvigorated Trump, Trump based Trump movement, 494 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: the MAGA movement. This is why I still think they're not. 495 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: I'll just go up. Do you agree I still think 496 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: they will not. Oh no, I'm sorry. You think they'll 497 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: indict Trump and Biden. Well, that don't ine indict Hunter Biden. 498 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: I don't get to separately indict Trump. I don't think 499 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: The only way I believe that they are going to 500 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: indict Trump is if they indict Hunter Biden. I'm not 501 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: saying one hundred percent, if they indict Hunter Biden, they'll 502 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: indict Trump. But I think that's what gives the cover 503 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: to the Department of Justice. Marek Garland will claim no 504 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: one is above the law, the president's son isn't, and 505 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: the former president himself. I think that's the only argument 506 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: he can make. If Hunter Biden doesn't get indicted, I 507 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 1: think there's no way they indict Trump. If Hunter Biden 508 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: gets indicted, I think it makes it far more likely 509 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: they indict Trump. Not one hundred percent, but I think 510 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: that politically, Like, just take a step back and think 511 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: about this from Marrick Garland's perspective, He's got an entire 512 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: conference room table through full of political lawyers sitting around 513 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to do something truly radical 514 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: in indicting Donald Trump. That's what they want to do, right, 515 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: They want to fulfill that expectation in their base. The 516 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 1: only way I can see them doing it is if 517 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: they make the argument, the president's son commits a crime, 518 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: we charge him. 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They 546 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: go after Trump for notice. On the one hand, you 547 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: have the former president saying, yeah, that we shouldn't have 548 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: men playing in women's sports, and then on the other 549 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: side of the aisle, you have Kamala Harris, Kamala Harris 550 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: deciding that at the beginning of a meeting she needs 551 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: to tell everybody the following anon. I want to love 552 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: them these leaders for coming in to have this very 553 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: important discussion about some of the most pressing issues of 554 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: our time. I am Kamala Harris. My pronouncers she her, 555 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm a woman sitting at the table, blue suit. I'm 556 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. My pronouns are she and her. That's the 557 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: vice president. They're announcing pronouns. By the way, big mask 558 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: on her face. Gotta make sure you're masked up now. 559 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: Apparently Joe Biden, speaking today, tested negative for COVID. He's fine, everybody, 560 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: exactly as we said. When I say it's fine. We 561 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: knew he was gonna be okay in the grands game 562 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: of things. But it wasn't really sick. He had a cold. 563 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: There was a huge national news story had a cold. 564 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: But anyway, Clay, I think that in the contest between 565 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: men shouldn't play in women's sports, the NCAA or pro 566 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: versus Hi, I'm the vice president. Here are my pronouns. 567 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: I think the American people are very solidly on one 568 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: side of this. I have made the argument consistently, and 569 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep hammering at Homebuck because there are 570 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: so many people who listen to this show that work 571 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: in Senate campaigns, that work in congressional governor's campaigns, and 572 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: also the candidates themselves sometimes are listening as they're out campaigning. 573 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: You can win every purple state election everyone where it's 574 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: a toss up by just arguing two things. One men 575 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: can't get pregnant and try to get your Democrat opponent 576 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: to be willing to say it. None of them will 577 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: say it. And the other one is men shouldn't compete 578 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: against women and women's sports. Democrats won't argue either of 579 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: those things with you. They will pretend that the question 580 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: doesn't exist. So if you're out there and you are 581 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: in a candidate debate, just continue to drive home that question, 582 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: can men get pregnant? They will not answer that question 583 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: should men be able to compete against women? Like we 584 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: just saw in the Leah Thomas situation where you have 585 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: an NC double a champion who is a man. They 586 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: won't answer those questions. And I understand they are way 587 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: more difficult and complex and integral questions that may go 588 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: into your campaign, but buck the essence of the battle 589 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: between Republicans and Democrats, sanity and insanity is summed up 590 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: by that question, can men get pregnant? And should men 591 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: be able to compete against women. Every single person understands it, 592 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: and to your point, overwhelmingly is on the side of hey, 593 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: men can't get pregnant and men and women's sports should 594 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: be different. And the reason that Democrats won't say even 595 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: of course there are going to be Democrat politicians running 596 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: who knows a lot, but they won't do it. They 597 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: won't cross the activists, the donor class, and the vanguard 598 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: of the Democrat left that is effectively running their party 599 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: now it's hijacked the party and is now calling the shots. 600 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: So they understand that that's not a risk that they 601 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: are willing to take, even if it means it politically 602 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: causes problems for them. So that's why you know, I 603 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: would love to see I mean, we were talking about 604 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: this in general, we've been pushing this. Herschel Walker at 605 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: his first opportunity should ask the reverend, Yes, Raphael Warnock, Reverend, 606 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: do you think that men can get pregnant? And let's 607 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: hear the answer, Doctor os and pencil Vanias should ask Fetterman, sir, 608 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: do you believe that men? Sorry to guess that you're 609 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: a sir, I guess you haven't announced your pronounced do 610 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: you believe that men can get pregnant. See what the 611 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: answer is a lot of them will be evasive. Yes, 612 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: they will try to evade, but they will not say 613 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: only women can get pregnant. They won't do it. All 614 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: you have to do herschel Walker. I saw is with 615 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: right now, hanging out with Brian Kilmead. They had an 616 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: interview with him this morning on Fox and Friends. I 617 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: was in studio, I was watching it. They're down in Gainesville, Georgia, 618 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: spending the day with herschel Walker. You need to make 619 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: it a yes or no question, and you can even 620 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: give your answer beforehand. I don't believe men can get pregnant, 621 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: Reverend Warnock, do you believe men can get pregnant? Yes 622 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: or no? And to your point, you will get an 623 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: evasive answer. But when you have that clip of you 624 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: just saying yes or no, this is not a complex 625 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: scientific question. This is really easy for everybody out there. 626 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: The voters overwhelmingly in Georgia, the voters overwhelmingly in Pennsylvania, Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, 627 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: everywhere where. They're going to be battleground Senate elections, which 628 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: decide who controls the top chamber in Congress. That will 629 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: decide this election if you just lean on it and 630 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: make Democrats answer that question. We are not a free 631 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: people in a free society if the dictates of the 632 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: party or that we all have to say that the 633 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 1: sky is red or that or that water is not wet. 634 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: You know, we cannot allow ourselves to be a country 635 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: where the party the apparatus can force you to say 636 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: things that are the most obvious and the most obviously untrue. Yes, 637 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: if we concede on this, you're giving away a fundamental 638 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: part of what it means. I mean, you're essentially giving 639 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: up your right to think freely and to believe in truth. 640 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: Truth is only what has fed you. Which is so 641 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: interesting because you may have seen we didn't play it yesterday, 642 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: We did have the clip. How don't we can find it? 643 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: The Prime Minister of New Zealand you see this, She's yes, 644 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 1: truth comes from us, and you're like, wait a second, 645 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: the only truth. She's like, if you don't hear it 646 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: from us, it's not the truth. You've got her if 647 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 1: you find it yesterday, will play it. But that really 648 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: is the mentality. Now, all these massive bureaucracies and these 649 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: government bodies that they can determine not only what truth 650 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: is on complicated issues for everybody, which, of course they're 651 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,439 Speaker 1: often wrong, as we saw during COVID, almost always wrong, 652 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: but that the opposite of what you believe truth to 653 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: be is what you actually have to affirm. And that's 654 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: what the men can get pregnant things all about one 655 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: hundred percent, particularly Buck to combine it with, the Democrats 656 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: tried to argue to all of us for the past 657 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: couple of years, we are the Party of Science. Remember 658 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: that was what they would trot out. Anytime somebody like 659 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: you or me said, Hey, I don't know if we 660 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: should lock down. I don't know if mask makes sense, 661 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: the data don't support it, they would immediately try to 662 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: shoot you down. Remember doctor Fauci memorably said, I am 663 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: the science which is chilling the same way that you 664 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: send to Arns. Comments down in New Zealand were. But 665 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: when the Party of Science can't even say men can't 666 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: get pregnant, it's kind of a big deal. Somebody should 667 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: ask Fauci. My old friends on t Robbie Suave and 668 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: some others had an interview with Foucher recently. I don't 669 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: know if he'll do that show again. Soon. But um, 670 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: you know, I launched that show years ago. Good for you, 671 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: it was. Yeah, it's doing very well now. But I 672 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: want them to ask Fouci, somebody to ask Ken men 673 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: get pregnant. He'll be like it all depends on the 674 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: mitigation measures, congregate settings. Fleet Travis, and Buck Sexton on 675 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: the front lines of truth.