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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, and welcome in to a Sunday night Monday
Speaker 2: morning podcast. My good buddy Matt Mosley, who does the
Speaker 2: Doomsday podcast with Edward or the popular Dallas Cowboys podcast,
Speaker 2: has been at Oxnard, California this week at Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 2: training camp, and so he's going to join me for
Speaker 2: about twenty five minutes and give us sort of the
Speaker 2: insight on the Dallas Cowboys. I look forward to that.
Speaker 2: Matt's a very very funny guy. Two takes before we
Speaker 2: start that. So, you know, one of the things that
Speaker 2: I think is important to realize when I talk to
Speaker 2: young people high school or college, and I don't do
Speaker 2: it very often, maybe two or three times a year.
Speaker 2: I'll talk to a broadcasting class. The one thing I
Speaker 2: always say is don't produce your shh through social media.
Speaker 2: It's a funhouse mirror. It's not really life. So you know,
Speaker 2: a prime example of that the movie Barbie. I have
Speaker 2: not seen it. I'm gonna probably see Oppenheimer and Barbie
Speaker 2: this week. It's summer, it's slow, it's late July, early August.
Speaker 2: I got nothing but time to kill. It's that or
Speaker 2: a Twins Guardians game all lot for the movie. But
Speaker 2: if you go to social media, you would think Barbie
Speaker 2: is controversial, highly political, very difficult the stomach if you're
Speaker 2: a moderate or you lean right. I now have officially
Speaker 2: nine people either in my family or who work at
Speaker 2: the volume nine for nine loved it. I have no
Speaker 2: idea about their political affiliation. I have no idea. I
Speaker 2: don't ask my kids. Barbie's a really good movie, great acting, funny,
Speaker 2: everybody had the same take. Clever, funny, makes you think,
Speaker 2: good laughs. I mean, it's not Hangover in terms of
Speaker 2: sheer comedic value. Nobody presented like that or Animal House.
Speaker 2: It's a broad movie with a lot of different views
Speaker 2: and ideas, and it'll make you think. But if you
Speaker 2: go to social media you think it's highly controversial. Virtually
Speaker 2: nobody dislikes it, and the people who do go online
Speaker 2: and get clicks. And that's something I try to tell
Speaker 2: people all the time that nobody is really outraged that
Speaker 2: Twitter is now called X. Nobody absolutely nobody really cares.
Speaker 2: Nobody thinks Barbie is highly controversial. Accept people seeking attention
Speaker 2: on social media. So you enjoy your social media apps,
Speaker 2: you enjoy Barbie. Don't think for a second you're walking
Speaker 2: into a trap that will politically shift your views. It's
Speaker 2: a movie, and a lot of people are pink when
Speaker 2: they go that's it second thought. So Sean Payton fires
Speaker 2: at Nathaniel Hackett. Day later, regrets saying it and apologizes.
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, talking to Peter Schrager, fires back at Sean Payton,
Speaker 2: calls him insecure and should keep his favorite coach's name
Speaker 2: out of his mouth. This is good, old fashioned nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty five media, before everybody was terrified to be canceled
Speaker 2: and criticized, and the avalanche that follows this happened all
Speaker 2: the time. People are outspoken. Buddy Ryan would rip Mike Ditka,
Speaker 2: Buddy Ryan would rip Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson would rip
Speaker 2: Buddy Ryan, and it was wildly entertaining. But there's so
Speaker 2: much money in sports now. Everybody's afraid to lose their position,
Speaker 2: their job, their tenure, their gig. Sean Payton was in
Speaker 2: one of those moods, an intense guy said something he regretted.
Speaker 2: The day later, Aaron Rodgers defended his coach. I loved
Speaker 2: both Peyton's willingness to offend and Aaron Rodgers' tenacity on
Speaker 2: defending Nathaniel Hackett. I think Hackett from what I've been
Speaker 2: told many of my contemporaries, I've got a lot of
Speaker 2: sources in the league. Hackett's one of the nicest guys
Speaker 2: in the league. Good dad, good father, wonderful guy. Just
Speaker 2: doesn't have an edge. Didn't have a bite to him,
Speaker 2: and you kind of sort of have to have that.
Speaker 2: I mean, the five best head coaches in my lifetime,
Speaker 2: I think A Walsh and Belichick and Andy Reid and
Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, they've all got an edge.
Speaker 2: Bill Walsh had a bite, Andy Reid had a bite.
Speaker 2: We all know Belichick, Parcels and Jimmy Johnson had a bite.
Speaker 2: Hackett doesn't. He's a coordinator. He's a position coach. Nothing
Speaker 2: wrong with that at all. Kyle Shanahan was a great coordinator,
Speaker 2: began a great coach. Dan Quinn's a great coordinator. Try
Speaker 2: the coaching. Okay, probably gets a second chance. We don't
Speaker 2: know if he's a great head coach. We know he's
Speaker 2: a great coordinator defensively with the Cowboys, with Atlanta, with Seattle,
Speaker 2: or with the Cowboys and Seattle before he got the Falcons.
Speaker 2: Gig so I like these little whizzing matches media scrums.
Speaker 2: I think they're healthy. I think they're fun. Nobody gets hurt,
Speaker 2: and the winner is you and me and the consumer.
Speaker 2: When we lose is when people are terrified to be
Speaker 2: authentic and afraid to be honest. I've been doing radio
Speaker 2: for thirty years almost almost thirty years, twenty five years.
Speaker 2: I'm on the air live. Some things I say, uh
Speaker 2: don't come out right. Some things I say are a
Speaker 2: little harsh. Some things aren't as funny as I think.
Speaker 2: It's an imperfect world. You take some big swings. It's
Speaker 2: not edited. Not every time you ask a quarterback or
Speaker 2: a coach an opinion, it should be fully edited. I
Speaker 2: don't want PR people around it. Peyton didn't have a
Speaker 2: PR person around him and Aaron Rodgers didn't have a
Speaker 2: PR person around him, and it was really really interesting
Speaker 2: raw content. Loved them both.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: My guy, Matt Mosley Doomsday podcast with Ed Murder. He's
Speaker 2: been embedded with the Cowboys and Oxnard. It's hot as
Speaker 2: you know what in California. We usually First of all,
Speaker 2: it rained like Seattle in the winter, and now it
Speaker 2: feels like Louisiana in the summer. It's humid and hot.
Speaker 2: So what you know, You've been to so many of
Speaker 2: these things. This feel like just another one.
Speaker 1: No, I mean it, You know, I have been to
Speaker 1: a lot of them. And by the way, nobody cares
Speaker 1: about any southern California heat wave. I landed back in
Speaker 1: Dallas in one oh five. All right, it was one
Speaker 1: oh one at about nine o'clock when I landed, about
Speaker 1: one hundred or something like that. Oh yeah, So speaking
Speaker 1: one hundred, I just came from my grandmother's one hundredth
Speaker 1: birthday celebration. All right, Wow, Francis Hendricks Lawrence has turned
Speaker 1: one hundred. So pretty neat, pretty neat.
Speaker 2: What's the secret to her life?
Speaker 1: Boy, it's been a lot of a lot of clean living.
Speaker 1: Involved in that church secretary for many many years, had
Speaker 1: about a twenty five year run there. But just she
Speaker 1: comes from a long line of people who live a
Speaker 1: long time. And when my grandfather passed away, I don't know,
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen years ago, just never missed a beat. It
Speaker 1: was just kind of like, you know what, I got
Speaker 1: to keep rolling here. And so as of today even
Speaker 1: I mean, she's just she was the bell of the ball.
Speaker 1: Everybody came you know, she had something to say to everybody,
Speaker 1: She knew who everybody was, and so it was pretty
Speaker 1: pretty awesome to watch and we're extremely fortunate.
Speaker 2: So how does this camp feel different?
Speaker 1: You know? I think the McCarthy thing makes it different.
Speaker 1: With the play calling, He's handling himself in a different
Speaker 1: manner than when I've been around him. And I think
Speaker 1: Jerry with each passing year and Jerry's into his eighties now,
Speaker 1: I think Jerry sometimes has a little bit different way
Speaker 1: about him. I don't want to call it an edge, really,
Speaker 1: but Jerry, for one of the first times that I
Speaker 1: can recall, was all business at the State of the
Speaker 1: Union addressed to start. You know, he's generally known for
Speaker 1: saying something off the wall in that setting, and he
Speaker 1: didn't even make an opening statement. I mean, we're all set,
Speaker 1: you know, we're set up to hear him talk before
Speaker 1: anybody ask a question for at least twenty minutes, and
Speaker 1: literally they just started the news conference and he said, okay,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go some questions. What do y'all have?
Speaker 1: So there's always it's I think it's hard to have
Speaker 1: a sense of urgency. There are better places to have
Speaker 1: a since an urgency than in Auxnard because of where
Speaker 1: we're used to being and how it feels and how
Speaker 1: much nicer it is and the surroundings and everything. But
Speaker 1: I mean McCarthy met with his player counsel the night
Speaker 1: before that State of the Union and got a vibe that,
Speaker 1: I mean, the team sort of has a little edge
Speaker 1: and they don't even have the pads on yet. Pads
Speaker 1: come on tomorrow, So to me, there was a little
Speaker 1: more edginess from the team. To start a training camp,
Speaker 1: it's usually very laid back, not much going on, and
Speaker 1: I think they've since that, you know, a couple of
Speaker 1: twelve wins seasons, not being able to get by San Francisco,
Speaker 1: Like if they're ever going to do it, like it
Speaker 1: almost has to be this season.
Speaker 2: Well, Zach Martin, tenth year in Dallas, eight time All
Speaker 2: Pro Jerry said, I'm not budgeting on the contract. This
Speaker 2: is one of the rare times I support Jerry. They
Speaker 2: made him the highest paid guard when he signed, he
Speaker 2: was for many of the years of his contract. He
Speaker 2: has made more money than any guard in the NFL.
Speaker 2: It's been in the league for ten years and he's
Speaker 2: got a couple of years left on his contract, and
Speaker 2: you know, Patrick Mahomes right now is the seventh highest
Speaker 2: paid quarterback. Is do you think that's a I don't
Speaker 2: think Jerry should budge, but do you think this could
Speaker 2: get ugly surly?
Speaker 1: No? Because Zach is not really he's not up to that.
Speaker 1: Zeke was willing a few years ago to stare Jerry down,
Speaker 1: and Zack doesn't have that in him. And I'm not
Speaker 1: even saying what Zeke did was wrong. Zeke did it
Speaker 1: because he knew his value, and the Cowboys cratered. They
Speaker 1: know they don't have to. I mean, like you know,
Speaker 1: if Zach truly didn't show up, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: a big problem. You can't start the season without your
Speaker 1: all pro right guard. I mean, they don't really have
Speaker 1: anybody to turn to in that regard. You heard in
Speaker 1: Jerry's voice was the fact that there's two years left
Speaker 1: on his contract. What's he talking about? And and to
Speaker 1: your point, Colin, he got his rookie contract, he's a
Speaker 1: first round pick, and then he got another contract, and
Speaker 1: so Jerry's kind of right, Like, I mean, everybody loves
Speaker 1: Zach and it's not like and the other thing is
Speaker 1: he's a veteran and he's so good and he's so
Speaker 1: good at staying prepared that I don't know any other position,
Speaker 1: you know. And Zeke came in and was kind of
Speaker 1: ready to go at the last minute. This guy could
Speaker 1: be so I don't I don't sense any worry. And
Speaker 1: I think you know, you heard Dak say. Dak was
Speaker 1: quoted saying, hey, the man talking about Zach and Jerry
Speaker 1: was asked about that, and Jerry had a very funny answer,
Speaker 1: which was, well, we pay the quarterbacks all the money.
Speaker 2: That is funny. By the way, I saw that Zeke
Speaker 2: visited the Patriots. You know, you always said Zeke was
Speaker 2: a little bit the hole of the locker room. Now
Speaker 2: that he's gone, do you still believe that?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. He was sending messages to the team
Speaker 1: on the eve of their first practice. I think in
Speaker 1: the meeting room, the running backs, they're still hearing from him.
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard still brings him up. I mean, people are
Speaker 1: still there's still an aura about him. Now, he had
Speaker 1: faded some of his playing ability, so you're okay moving
Speaker 1: away from that, but yeah, there's still some there's still
Speaker 1: And that's what the call that Bill Belichick made was
Speaker 1: to Stephen Jones, and he just wanted to know kind
Speaker 1: of where Zeke was and ed and I had a
Speaker 1: chance to go one on one with Steven or two
Speaker 1: on one, and that was one of the things Stephen
Speaker 1: talked about, was just his how he went on and
Speaker 1: on about Zeke and what he could mean in one
Speaker 1: of those running back rooms. So, I mean, it tells
Speaker 1: you all you need to know, though on how much
Speaker 1: he has left in the tank, on the fact that
Speaker 1: he's still out there. He's a workhorse, He's played through
Speaker 1: all sorts of injuries. I mean he's not I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's anywhere close to a lead back anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of the few positions you can
Speaker 1: go from. Think about that last year the starter, even
Speaker 1: though Pollard took over, he was almost a symbolic starter.
Speaker 1: This year, he can't even get a role on a team.
Speaker 1: He can't even get out there, right. But Belichick has
Speaker 1: had a way over the years of taking chances on
Speaker 1: certain veteran players that maybe have some deans on their character.
Speaker 1: This guy, he had some issues, obviously, he was suspended
Speaker 1: for several years ago. But in terms of like what
Speaker 1: the players think of him and the coaches other than
Speaker 1: maybe Dak there's no one who approaches Zeke in that regard.
Speaker 2: You know Dallas, you know, they face the AFC East,
Speaker 2: So they get the Patriots and the Jets and the
Speaker 2: Dolphins and the Bills. By no means is that easy.
Speaker 2: They also get the forty nine Ers and the Chargers,
Speaker 2: both out west. It's an interesting schedule where you know,
Speaker 2: you've got two games against Washington. They should farewell if
Speaker 2: they split against the Giants or split against the Eagles.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of layups. They're gonna go to Arizona early.
Speaker 2: That feels like a layup.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Again, they face the Carolina Panthers. Carolina does not have
Speaker 2: Dallas's personnel. They don't. That feels like a w. There's
Speaker 2: some there's some absolute Locke dou ws, but this is
Speaker 2: by no means. I mean, when you've got games at
Speaker 2: San Francisco at the Chargers, a Seahawks game at home,
Speaker 2: at the Bills at the Dolphins, this feels like a
Speaker 2: little bit tougher schedule than normal. And here's my take
Speaker 2: is that Jets Week two, Patriots Week four, Niners Week five,
Speaker 2: Chargers Week six, Eagles Week seven, go back to Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like his teams Andy Reid teams come
Speaker 2: right out of the gate. Belichick's take a little banking,
Speaker 2: they take a little work with McCarthy. What is your
Speaker 2: sense in September since he arrived.
Speaker 1: Well, I think they've I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: there have been lulls in these seasons. I mean, but
Speaker 1: it really has more to do with Dak Dak's injuries.
Speaker 1: I mean, Mike has had some pretty bad luck as
Speaker 1: far as losing Dak, losing players, injuries, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I think, if everybody's healthy, I see a fast start.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not buying like years ago, I can't
Speaker 1: even FARV went to Minnesota. I said it's going to
Speaker 1: make an enormous change, and I thought Minnesota had a
Speaker 1: real shot Super Bowl and they ended up doing that.
Speaker 1: I have a really hard time just because Rogers in
Speaker 1: his past greatness, I just don't see that Jets game.
Speaker 1: I also think it's a chance McCarthy's a little embarrassed
Speaker 1: about what happened to him in Green Bay last year.
Speaker 1: There was a huge reunion that was his first time back.
Speaker 1: They had a lead, they had like a fourteen or
Speaker 1: maybe seventeen point lead and they let it get away
Speaker 1: from him against a bad Green Bay team. And I
Speaker 1: think McCarty thinks he's got something on his hands here.
Speaker 1: I think he thinks he has like a I mean,
Speaker 1: we've had these twelve You've had these twelve win seasons.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, and they're trying. Jerry's trying to
Speaker 1: hide it. He's trying to hide it the best he can.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't I heard what you just said.
Speaker 1: And no one in the business remembers a schedule quite
Speaker 1: like you. I mean, the way you commit these seats
Speaker 1: to memory of often I just brag on you all
Speaker 1: the time about it. But I think I think we're talking.
Speaker 1: I mean, cowboys have a shot at fourteen wins.
Speaker 2: I had a little cheat sheet here. By the way,
Speaker 2: Deuce Vaughan five foot five, I swear to god, Kansas
Speaker 2: State unveils one of these about every four or five
Speaker 2: years we get one of these darren Sprolls, Deuce Vaughn
Speaker 2: running backs from k State. It looks so strange when
Speaker 2: you see the videotape, when you see the you know
Speaker 2: the stuff, the highlights. Is he going to make the team,
Speaker 2: what's the story on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his dad's a scout on the team. Yes, and
Speaker 1: he they he's really close with Sprolls. He talks to
Speaker 1: Sprolls all the time. Deuce Vaughan does. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: gonna love this guy if you ever have a chance
Speaker 1: to have him on. I mean, he's a fun, uh
Speaker 1: smart dude. He's he's a he came from a great
Speaker 1: Texas high school down kind of the Austin area, the
Speaker 1: Central Texas kid kind of hill country he is. I
Speaker 1: think now they've had problems in the past. They've they've said, Okay,
Speaker 1: we want to turn this guy into some kind of
Speaker 1: matchup problem, and they always love running these end rounds
Speaker 1: or jet sweeps. Oh we're going to get this guy.
Speaker 1: Tim taevon Austin remember him, and it's like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: we're going to get him ten to fifteen touches a game.
Speaker 1: They couldn't get him three touches. So it remains to
Speaker 1: be seen. But in space and think about some of
Speaker 1: these even other than Sprolls with it, Trek Cohen or
Speaker 1: somebody like that, there's been some of these little guys.
Speaker 1: Quentin Griffin years ago came out of Oklahoma. If they'll
Speaker 1: get him in among the trees, behind these bits of milnemen,
Speaker 1: they can kind of jump around and do some things.
Speaker 1: And so I think he's a I think he's a
Speaker 1: perfect compliment, and they're looking for every way in the
Speaker 1: world to use him. In fact, they've got him as
Speaker 1: the punt protector, all right, So that's gonna be an
Speaker 1: odd thing when they snap it back there. You got
Speaker 1: a five to five man, and the Bones Fossil said
Speaker 1: he was going to be able to outleverage anybody. Now,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to see him just get
Speaker 1: in golf. I could see somebody running over him back there.
Speaker 1: But also, who loves to do fake punts more than anybody.
Speaker 1: It's this guy, Bones Fossil. So here's a here's a
Speaker 1: fake punt option. He is a total gadget guy, a
Speaker 1: huge gadget guy. But what I Sprolls was about a
Speaker 1: half inch taller than this guy. But this but Deuce
Speaker 1: is thicker. I always thought Sprolls was like a strong,
Speaker 1: huge legs, almost like Robert Newhouse type legs. And this
Speaker 1: guy's thick and he and you're right, and they put
Speaker 1: those I've seen all the memes and everything. They put
Speaker 1: those little protective helmet things on. He looks like a
Speaker 1: martian or something. But he is fast and he's like
Speaker 1: he was on Kansas State just one big twelve times,
Speaker 1: I mean, and he was an enormous part of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're good again this year. By the way, they'll
Speaker 2: probably finish second to Texas. They return a ton of starters. Hey,
Speaker 2: So when Kellen Moore left, he was unemployed for about
Speaker 2: an hour, and the same thing with Andy Reid. Andy
Speaker 2: Reid was unemployed, you know, for a couple days in
Speaker 2: Kansas City reached out and Kellen Moore was unemployed briefly,
Speaker 2: and the Chargers reached out. Do we know exactly why?
Speaker 2: I mean, the stuff is printed, but a story softens
Speaker 2: three months, six months after, you know, a story Now
Speaker 2: it's about the Cowboys and about the Chargers. There's no animosity.
Speaker 2: Do we know exactly why Kellen Moore left? Was there
Speaker 2: a moment, an epiphany, a game, a series, or something
Speaker 2: that didn't work?
Speaker 1: Well? I mean it was it was you know, Dak
Speaker 1: and somebody had to take the blame for those interceptions
Speaker 1: and the fact that he played so poorly. He had
Speaker 1: a beautiful game against the Bucks and then horrible against
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, and somebody had to pay and
Speaker 1: it wasn't going to be McCarthy. And also something Jerry's
Speaker 1: known for doing. And I've got a lot of friends
Speaker 1: out there who've worked for him, and he's pretty nice
Speaker 1: about this. He gives you some time, Hey, go find
Speaker 1: another job. Okay, we're not going to fire you right away.
Speaker 1: Just take some time, go find another job. And so
Speaker 1: they kind of allowed I would imagine the Chargers thing
Speaker 1: to kind of get settled and be ready because that
Speaker 1: thing happened too quickly for the Chargers just to have waited. Oh,
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're going to fire Kellen Moore. I
Speaker 1: would say within twenty four to forty eight hours after
Speaker 1: the Cowboys season ended, Kellen Moore was told hey, look around,
Speaker 1: look around, and then he was brought over there. And
Speaker 1: I did think it was funny. By the way, Brian
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer is now has the title of the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was so different than Kellen Moore. I
Speaker 1: got to talk to Shotttheimer the other day. They had
Speaker 1: the big news conference for him, and then he did
Speaker 1: a one on one with Ed for our Doomsday podcast.
Speaker 1: After I had to kind of fly back for my
Speaker 1: grandmother's birthday and Schottenheimer it was like night and day.
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer put on a show. I mean, just was in
Speaker 1: his element. Loved it. I mean, it was just it
Speaker 1: was like, Man, I'm here, nobody's talked to me in
Speaker 1: a while. I'm gonna give you, guys, one of the
Speaker 1: greatest press conferences you've ever seen. Kellen is not that guy, right,
Speaker 1: That's why people have a little trouble in envisioning him
Speaker 1: as a head coach. Now, if he does really well
Speaker 1: with the Chargers, he's going to get a shot. But
Speaker 1: think of one of those boy wonders who just has
Speaker 1: kind of come across, at least publicly, is kind of
Speaker 1: like and there's not much there. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean again, nobody cares. Mike Martz
Speaker 1: was a weirdo. I mean, he's just kind of That's
Speaker 1: how he kind of came across. But right when they
Speaker 1: were putting up huge numbers, nobody cared about that. And
Speaker 1: maybe that'll be the way with Kellen. But he's certainly
Speaker 1: not somebody who's going to go in and win a
Speaker 1: press conference. I assure you.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, and you know, one of the reasons they
Speaker 2: like him with Herbert Justin. Herbert's really quiet, and I
Speaker 2: know Justin pretty well. But I mean Justin has avoided
Speaker 2: the media as well as any LA athlete I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And so he and Kellen are kind of sit in
Speaker 2: a film room and work. There'll be no clash of
Speaker 2: egos or personalities. They are They're chess players, So I
Speaker 2: think I think the Charge saw him as a perfect
Speaker 2: fit for a Joel Lombardi was a bit more rigid
Speaker 2: as a play caller. Kellen's more amenable to listen to
Speaker 2: a young guy. But I think you're right. I've talked
Speaker 2: about this before. Not every coordinator is a great coach.
Speaker 2: Dan Quinn has been a great defensive coordinator twice he
Speaker 2: was an okay head coach. It's okay, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: just I think you know, there's a lot of hot
Speaker 2: seat talk with Mike McCarthy, and I look at that
Speaker 2: early schedule. I think I've always seen Jerry is a
Speaker 2: bit more patient. He'll give chan Gaily an extra six
Speaker 2: games or a year. He gave Jason Garrett two more
Speaker 2: years than many thought. I've always looked at Jerry in
Speaker 2: terms of coaches as fairly patient. Am I wrong? No?
Speaker 1: He well, he was not patient when it came to
Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy and going back to all that, it
Speaker 1: was a huge personality thing. It's funny you brought up Chan.
Speaker 1: That's one of his big regrets as an owner, that
Speaker 1: he gave up on Chan too quickly. So he has
Speaker 1: he kept Jason Garrett a long time. Jerry likes head
Speaker 1: coaches who allow him to be Jerry and and and
Speaker 1: I don't mind the parade coming through and Jerry showing
Speaker 1: up at the fights and showing up when you know,
Speaker 1: just kind of being up in front. And Mike doesn't
Speaker 1: really care about that now, much like Wade Phillips, Mike
Speaker 1: does have a little bit of thin skin, you know.
Speaker 1: And at some points I asked him about some of
Speaker 1: his play calling. He talked about looking at films back
Speaker 1: to two thousand, back when he was calling plays at
Speaker 1: New Orleans, you know, to go back and look at that.
Speaker 1: And I said, what'd you think? What'd you think when
Speaker 1: he went back and looked at yourself as a as
Speaker 1: a play caller. And he kind of bristled a little bit,
Speaker 1: and he's like, whoop, he said, go look it up.
Speaker 1: I was the Assistant Coach of the Year that year,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, okay, I mean it was,
Speaker 1: and it was. He did it in kind of a
Speaker 1: joking way and we had a nice laugh about it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's he's kind of But that said, he
Speaker 1: doesn't mind all the Jerry stuff. Now what bugs him
Speaker 1: a little bit? Like we were a tint over while
Speaker 1: he was doing his news conference Saturday morning talking to Steven,
Speaker 1: you know, like doing our interviews. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he could see that, but I do think from time
Speaker 1: to time Mike notices when those of us in the
Speaker 1: media are off talking to somebody else instead of him
Speaker 1: kind of life. That's not how he did in Green Bay.
Speaker 2: Now, now give us a little hint, give my audience
Speaker 2: a little hint. You interviewed Stephen Jones with Edwarder. I
Speaker 2: don't want you to give the whole present, but was
Speaker 2: there a moment in the interview that is worthy that
Speaker 2: we're worthy of getting here at the volume because it
Speaker 2: was a pretty good interview. You told me with Stephen Jones,
Speaker 2: what was your takeaway over all on it?
Speaker 1: There was one moment that he talks about Dak turning
Speaker 1: thirty in dak in any minchens of super and he
Speaker 1: doesn't do that as much as Jerry, but kind of
Speaker 1: brings that up. And no Cowboys quarterback in his thirties
Speaker 1: has ever won a Super Bowl. And I and it
Speaker 1: really to me spoke to the sense of urgency of
Speaker 1: this guy's thirty. He wants to get it done now,
Speaker 1: and he put special emphasis this year, this year, And
Speaker 1: this is not always a this year team. This is
Speaker 1: a let's be competitive. They want credit for winning a
Speaker 1: bunch of division titles, but that's not what the team
Speaker 1: should be measured on, given its illustrious past. But it's
Speaker 1: been a long long time. It's been a long time
Speaker 1: since all that happened. And as I've often told you,
Speaker 1: if they even made it to the NFC Title Game, everybody,
Speaker 1: everybody would have ten year extensions. Like it's not everybody
Speaker 1: thinks a Super Bowl or bust. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: the case, but I don't. I do think it's been
Speaker 1: so long since they've been nineteen ninety six, since they've
Speaker 1: been to an NFC title game, ninety five season, it's
Speaker 1: they can't it can't go on anymore, Like it's just
Speaker 1: it just it's year after year after year, and they
Speaker 1: think that they have this window right now, and they
Speaker 1: have a couple of stars on defense and Colin we've
Speaker 1: talked about in the past. They've been kind of they've
Speaker 1: they've been bear at wide receiver, and they've entered these
Speaker 1: seasons and they just don't have enough firepower there with
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, Ceedee Lamb, a renewed gallop who's back to
Speaker 1: full health, and then Jalen Tolbert at least in the
Speaker 1: first four days of camp or I attended, putting on
Speaker 1: a show, they're they're jacked up at wide receiver, and
Speaker 1: obviously they think Pollard has more juice than certainly what
Speaker 1: Zeke was showing. So anyway, I thought there was a
Speaker 1: lot of different ways. Also the Stephen on the on
Speaker 1: the rookies, there's some stuff I think folks might enjoy there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Niners have the best roster in
Speaker 2: the NFC, and I think Dallas and Philadelphia are somewhere
Speaker 2: in that second spot depending on the unit. You know,
Speaker 2: Dallas has Mica, so they get the edge at linebacker.
Speaker 2: I would say the Eagles get the edge at offensive line.
Speaker 2: Both have very capable quarterbacks. Hurts maybe a little more talented.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think I think if you looked
Speaker 2: in the AFC, I would not consider Dallas. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: give them a faint chance to make the AFC Championship.
Speaker 2: But you know, they knock off the Jets early, they
Speaker 2: beat the Giants in the opener. It's a two and
Speaker 2: zero start. They're healthy. You start stockpilond wins. You get
Speaker 2: a couple of w's against the Commanders, you don't have
Speaker 2: to win all those bills Miami road games. You look up,
Speaker 2: you've got eleven wins. You don't have the buy, you know,
Speaker 2: but you're opening up in your first playoff game at
Speaker 2: home against Seattle. You know, that's a really winnable game.
Speaker 2: I think take the Niners out that because of Rock Party,
Speaker 2: they don't pay any thing for quarterbacks, so they basically
Speaker 2: have a stacked nineteen eighty seven roster. I think Philadelphia
Speaker 2: and Dallas probably are somewhere fighting for the second best
Speaker 2: roster in the NFC. That's my take. Does that seem
Speaker 2: far fetched?
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I think it's interesting. Hurts was so
Speaker 1: great last season. I mean, let's see him back that
Speaker 1: up without.
Speaker 2: Shane Steiken by the way, who may do wonders for
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson. That's going to be one of the stories.
Speaker 2: You know, that Jonathan Taylor Colts thing. What people aren't
Speaker 2: talking about, Matt is that are the Colts coaches watching
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson and saying, folks, we have a quarterback slash
Speaker 2: running back. We don't need to pay a star running back,
Speaker 2: because if you look at the backup running backs for
Speaker 2: the Colts, they're not Jonathan Taylor, but Shane Steiken. Rookie
Speaker 2: year with Justin Herbert, two years with Jalen Hurtz. The
Speaker 2: guy does wonders with young quarterbacks, right. So I'm fascinated
Speaker 2: by the coult situation. I do wonder if Jalen Hurst
Speaker 2: I think we both love him, but I do wonder
Speaker 2: if he takes a step back, just he goes from
Speaker 2: a plus to a minus, if he just takes a
Speaker 2: tad step back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that could happen. And I just think from
Speaker 1: a leadership standpoint, Dak is boy, he's he's at a
Speaker 1: different level, but he has to back it up at
Speaker 1: some point. And he had some introspective things to say,
Speaker 1: you know, about like it happening and feeling so easy
Speaker 1: for him in twenty sixteen when he started, and that
Speaker 1: it may have messed with his mind a little bit. Well,
Speaker 1: he's turning thirty. I think I think he was legitimately
Speaker 1: embarrassed by the take, by the turnovers, all the interceptions,
Speaker 1: and that that's a McCarthy. McCarthy is now. It was
Speaker 1: fun to watch at camp because he was like like
Speaker 1: a little kid. He reverted back to being a quarterbacks coach,
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, even before you know,
Speaker 1: when he was like back in the late nineteen nineties,
Speaker 1: he did not leave the side of the quarterbacks. And
Speaker 1: then when we I thought, I thought he was kidding.
Speaker 1: At one point he said, well, are you still going
Speaker 1: to go to the defensive meetings and that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and he said, no, No, Basically, that part of my
Speaker 1: coaching life for at least for now is over. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's all in. It's all offense. And this is getting
Speaker 1: back to where Jerry always said he was the most comfortable,
Speaker 1: which was having like a Jason Garrett, having the offensive
Speaker 1: coach or the defensive coach do it all. He didn't
Speaker 1: like the walk around coach, and so I don't know
Speaker 1: why they had to wait this long to do it.
Speaker 1: But boy McCarthy, the way he's behaving on the field
Speaker 1: and all, it's it's like he's more of an offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator than a head coach, which is kind of interesting
Speaker 1: because the team kind of has two head coaches. And
Speaker 1: one of the reasons he can act like this now
Speaker 1: is because Quinn. I mean, that's a pretty interesting thing, Colin,
Speaker 1: that Quinn has stayed around even when he had opportunities
Speaker 1: because the two of those guys, things could have gotten awkward.
Speaker 1: And Quinn is one of those rare guys who recognized
Speaker 1: what you brought up earlier, that Hey, I got all
Speaker 1: this talent, I'm getting paid huge money, I'm at this
Speaker 1: Marquee place. If I keep doing this, I'm going to
Speaker 1: keep getting opportunities. Why do I need to jump back
Speaker 1: in and be a head coach? Is it just for
Speaker 1: ego or something? It is very rare when a coach
Speaker 1: actually realizes I might be better at this than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Quinn sort of gets that. So it sets up
Speaker 1: a You've got a defensive head coach and an offensive
Speaker 1: head coach, which sounds like it could be awkward. The
Speaker 1: only time it could be awkward is they do have
Speaker 1: a great interim head coach right if things went south,
Speaker 1: right right now, it looks like it works pretty nice,
Speaker 1: nicely for them. And I'm just saying, Mike, Mike's through
Speaker 1: going to any defensive meetings.
Speaker 2: Well, I felt Sean McDermott and Brian Dabole felt like
Speaker 2: a little bit that where you had a guy that
Speaker 2: was a brilliant young offensive coordinator who kind of ran
Speaker 2: the offense. He leaves, the offense doesn't look as good.
Speaker 2: McDermott pretty much let him run it. So I don't
Speaker 2: think that's I don't think that's bad at all. I mean,
Speaker 2: when you know a lot of times, you know Pete
Speaker 2: Carroll's running the defense, dan Quinn on the defense, he
Speaker 2: needs to leave right like he's getting he's getting, Kirby
Speaker 2: Smart needed to leave, Nick Saban. But I think dan Quinn,
Speaker 2: I think he is a star in his own right.
Speaker 2: So I think that I think you get that, you know,
Speaker 2: you get that occasionally. Demiko o' rians with Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 2: Kyle gave him the defense. You be a star if
Speaker 2: you want to leave, leave, But that part about Dallas,
Speaker 2: I actually like, I like having a rockst I mean,
Speaker 2: I think Quinn's on a short list of one of
Speaker 2: the three best coordinators in football. I don't think there's
Speaker 2: many now that Steichen is a head coach and Daveles
Speaker 2: a head coach. I think Dan Quinn's the top two
Speaker 2: to three coordinator in the NFL. That's never a bad
Speaker 2: thing to me.
Speaker 1: No, And you match that up with the most dynamic
Speaker 1: defender in the NFL at this point, with Michael Parsons,
Speaker 1: a guy who knows how to deploy and change things up.
Speaker 1: And as somebody was saying the other day, this guy
Speaker 1: hasn't even really figured out pass rushing yet. Like he's
Speaker 1: this big, he's this big of a threat, and he's
Speaker 1: still learning how to be a pass rusher, Like that's
Speaker 1: not what he grew up doing. And if he figures
Speaker 1: it all out, I mean he's a He's a holy terror, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Mosley. So you're back home in Texas now, I
Speaker 2: hope a cooling trend awaits you at some point. You
Speaker 2: guys have had quite a steamer this summer, Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1: I have thought about next week going to Boulder to
Speaker 1: welcome the Colorado Buffs back to our Big twelve, and
Speaker 1: I think that would be a nice cool environm and
Speaker 1: that's that's there's been some excitement with that. So the
Speaker 1: Big twelve that a lot of people dismissed has come
Speaker 1: roaring back. I know TAC nine is in a is
Speaker 1: a bit of a pin.
Speaker 2: We're going to be inviting schools from Idaho and directional schools.
Speaker 2: And I saw a story today Washington and Oregon are
Speaker 2: listening to the ACC. It's like, good, hell, what's happened
Speaker 2: to the You know what? Though I say this all
Speaker 2: the time I grew up, I love the PAC twelve,
Speaker 2: PAC ten, Pack eight. I loved it. But the downside
Speaker 2: of the West Coast as a collegiate conference is Seattle,
Speaker 2: San Francisco, Phoenix, Los Angeles have got dozens of pro teams,
Speaker 2: and it's the passion that filling the stadiums and arenas
Speaker 2: is harder. It's not Waco, it's not Still Water, it's
Speaker 2: not Madison, Wisconsin. It's not Starksville, Mississippi. You know, out west,
Speaker 2: we got the mountains, we got the beaches, we got
Speaker 2: the lakes, we got pro sports. It's harder to get
Speaker 2: people on Saturday to jam into a college stadium. And frankly,
Speaker 2: the Big twelve passion is better than the Pac twelve passion,
Speaker 2: and I think Colorado realized.
Speaker 1: Well and they had a chance, by the way, to
Speaker 1: do some big merger when the pack, when the Big
Speaker 1: twelve was in trouble after Texas and Ou left and
Speaker 1: Clevekoff and the rest of the Pac twelve kind of
Speaker 1: laughed at the Big twelve leftovers. And since then they
Speaker 1: made some good moves, brought some teams in. And this
Speaker 1: Brett your Mark. You've probably had him on already at
Speaker 1: some point, but he needs to be on the volume.
Speaker 1: He needs to be on a podcast with you, because
Speaker 1: he is a fascinating guy. And I learned more about
Speaker 1: more and more about him all the time, and I
Speaker 1: just I love kind of seeing a basketball guy who
Speaker 1: comes from entertainment try to like I mean, he's he's
Speaker 1: galvanized all these football people and he's even convinced him,
Speaker 1: hey we can, we can. We may be able to
Speaker 1: go find a whole nother revenue stream based off basketball.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. I mean, like some of the stuff he's
Speaker 1: doing should have been thought about forever. Is like, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you instead of just constantly on these media
Speaker 1: rights deals, go find some of these other streams, go
Speaker 1: find maybe get some basketball only money, build the greatest
Speaker 1: basketball conference you could ever have, and they're on their
Speaker 1: way to doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they steal if they steal Arizona and you put
Speaker 2: Arizona with Kansas and Missouri and uh, you know, Texas
Speaker 2: always has talent, you know, although they're leaving. Obviously, Baylor's
Speaker 2: become a powerhouse. So you throw, you throw Arizona schools,
Speaker 2: especially Tucson is a great basketball program. You get all
Speaker 2: worked up on. I don't want to to take the
Speaker 2: you know, attention away from your excellent cowboys stories today
Speaker 2: because you're very, very embedded and I thought you really
Speaker 2: brought your a game today considering you're in sweltering heat
Speaker 2: for the last two months.
Speaker 1: It's been a little rough, but we're gonna, we're gonna,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make it. And uh man, just like most years,
Speaker 1: I always kind of roll into Lax and my thought
Speaker 1: is all my buddies, Colin, Dave, Greg, all these names
Speaker 1: that have been great friends for years, that we're gonna
Speaker 1: hang out and it didn't quite happen. I think that's
Speaker 1: a seventeenth consecutive year, but uh, one of these years
Speaker 1: will make it.
Speaker 3: Happen, could see anybody all right, good night.
Speaker 1: The volume