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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, and welcome in to a Sunday night Monday

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Speaker 2: morning podcast. My good buddy Matt Mosley, who does the

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Speaker 2: Doomsday podcast with Edward or the popular Dallas Cowboys podcast,

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Speaker 2: has been at Oxnard, California this week at Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 2: training camp, and so he's going to join me for

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Speaker 2: about twenty five minutes and give us sort of the

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Speaker 2: insight on the Dallas Cowboys. I look forward to that.

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Speaker 2: Matt's a very very funny guy. Two takes before we

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Speaker 2: start that. So, you know, one of the things that

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Speaker 2: I think is important to realize when I talk to

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Speaker 2: young people high school or college, and I don't do

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Speaker 2: it very often, maybe two or three times a year.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk to a broadcasting class. The one thing I

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Speaker 2: always say is don't produce your shh through social media.

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Speaker 2: It's a funhouse mirror. It's not really life. So you know,

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Speaker 2: a prime example of that the movie Barbie. I have

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Speaker 2: not seen it. I'm gonna probably see Oppenheimer and Barbie

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Speaker 2: this week. It's summer, it's slow, it's late July, early August.

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Speaker 2: I got nothing but time to kill. It's that or

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Speaker 2: a Twins Guardians game all lot for the movie. But

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Speaker 2: if you go to social media, you would think Barbie

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Speaker 2: is controversial, highly political, very difficult the stomach if you're

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Speaker 2: a moderate or you lean right. I now have officially

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Speaker 2: nine people either in my family or who work at

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Speaker 2: the volume nine for nine loved it. I have no

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Speaker 2: idea about their political affiliation. I have no idea. I

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Speaker 2: don't ask my kids. Barbie's a really good movie, great acting, funny,

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Speaker 2: everybody had the same take. Clever, funny, makes you think,

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Speaker 2: good laughs. I mean, it's not Hangover in terms of

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Speaker 2: sheer comedic value. Nobody presented like that or Animal House.

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Speaker 2: It's a broad movie with a lot of different views

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Speaker 2: and ideas, and it'll make you think. But if you

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Speaker 2: go to social media you think it's highly controversial. Virtually

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Speaker 2: nobody dislikes it, and the people who do go online

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Speaker 2: and get clicks. And that's something I try to tell

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Speaker 2: people all the time that nobody is really outraged that

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Speaker 2: Twitter is now called X. Nobody absolutely nobody really cares.

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Speaker 2: Nobody thinks Barbie is highly controversial. Accept people seeking attention

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Speaker 2: on social media. So you enjoy your social media apps,

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Speaker 2: you enjoy Barbie. Don't think for a second you're walking

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Speaker 2: into a trap that will politically shift your views. It's

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Speaker 2: a movie, and a lot of people are pink when

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Speaker 2: they go that's it second thought. So Sean Payton fires

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Speaker 2: at Nathaniel Hackett. Day later, regrets saying it and apologizes.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, talking to Peter Schrager, fires back at Sean Payton,

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Speaker 2: calls him insecure and should keep his favorite coach's name

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Speaker 2: out of his mouth. This is good, old fashioned nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty five media, before everybody was terrified to be canceled

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Speaker 2: and criticized, and the avalanche that follows this happened all

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Speaker 2: the time. People are outspoken. Buddy Ryan would rip Mike Ditka,

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Speaker 2: Buddy Ryan would rip Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson would rip

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Speaker 2: Buddy Ryan, and it was wildly entertaining. But there's so

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Speaker 2: much money in sports now. Everybody's afraid to lose their position,

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Speaker 2: their job, their tenure, their gig. Sean Payton was in

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Speaker 2: one of those moods, an intense guy said something he regretted.

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Speaker 2: The day later, Aaron Rodgers defended his coach. I loved

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Speaker 2: both Peyton's willingness to offend and Aaron Rodgers' tenacity on

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Speaker 2: defending Nathaniel Hackett. I think Hackett from what I've been

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Speaker 2: told many of my contemporaries, I've got a lot of

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Speaker 2: sources in the league. Hackett's one of the nicest guys

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Speaker 2: in the league. Good dad, good father, wonderful guy. Just

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Speaker 2: doesn't have an edge. Didn't have a bite to him,

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Speaker 2: and you kind of sort of have to have that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the five best head coaches in my lifetime,

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Speaker 2: I think A Walsh and Belichick and Andy Reid and

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, they've all got an edge.

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Speaker 2: Bill Walsh had a bite, Andy Reid had a bite.

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Speaker 2: We all know Belichick, Parcels and Jimmy Johnson had a bite.

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Speaker 2: Hackett doesn't. He's a coordinator. He's a position coach. Nothing

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Speaker 2: wrong with that at all. Kyle Shanahan was a great coordinator,

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Speaker 2: began a great coach. Dan Quinn's a great coordinator. Try

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Speaker 2: the coaching. Okay, probably gets a second chance. We don't

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Speaker 2: know if he's a great head coach. We know he's

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Speaker 2: a great coordinator defensively with the Cowboys, with Atlanta, with Seattle,

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Speaker 2: or with the Cowboys and Seattle before he got the Falcons.

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Speaker 2: Gig so I like these little whizzing matches media scrums.

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Speaker 2: I think they're healthy. I think they're fun. Nobody gets hurt,

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Speaker 2: and the winner is you and me and the consumer.

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Speaker 2: When we lose is when people are terrified to be

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Speaker 2: authentic and afraid to be honest. I've been doing radio

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Speaker 2: for thirty years almost almost thirty years, twenty five years.

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Speaker 2: I'm on the air live. Some things I say, uh

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Speaker 2: don't come out right. Some things I say are a

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Speaker 2: little harsh. Some things aren't as funny as I think.

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Speaker 2: It's an imperfect world. You take some big swings. It's

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Speaker 2: not edited. Not every time you ask a quarterback or

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Speaker 2: a coach an opinion, it should be fully edited. I

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Speaker 2: don't want PR people around it. Peyton didn't have a

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Speaker 2: raw content. Loved them both.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: My guy, Matt Mosley Doomsday podcast with Ed Murder. He's

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Speaker 2: been embedded with the Cowboys and Oxnard. It's hot as

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Speaker 2: you know what in California. We usually First of all,

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Speaker 2: it rained like Seattle in the winter, and now it

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Speaker 2: feels like Louisiana in the summer. It's humid and hot.

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Speaker 2: So what you know, You've been to so many of

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Speaker 2: these things. This feel like just another one.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean it, You know, I have been to

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Speaker 1: a lot of them. And by the way, nobody cares

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Speaker 1: about any southern California heat wave. I landed back in

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Speaker 1: Dallas in one oh five. All right, it was one

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Speaker 1: oh one at about nine o'clock when I landed, about

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Speaker 1: one hundred or something like that. Oh yeah, So speaking

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Speaker 1: one hundred, I just came from my grandmother's one hundredth

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Speaker 1: birthday celebration. All right, Wow, Francis Hendricks Lawrence has turned

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Speaker 2: What's the secret to her life?

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Speaker 1: Boy, it's been a lot of a lot of clean living.

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Speaker 1: Involved in that church secretary for many many years, had

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Speaker 1: long time. And when my grandfather passed away, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's just she was the bell of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Everybody came you know, she had something to say to everybody,

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Speaker 1: pretty awesome to watch and we're extremely fortunate.

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Speaker 2: So how does this camp feel different?

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Speaker 1: You know? I think the McCarthy thing makes it different.

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Speaker 1: With the play calling, He's handling himself in a different

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Speaker 1: but Jerry, for one of the first times that I

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Speaker 1: can recall, was all business at the State of the

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Speaker 1: you know, we're set up to hear him talk before

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Speaker 1: literally they just started the news conference and he said, okay,

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Speaker 1: So there's always it's I think it's hard to have

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Speaker 1: a sense of urgency. There are better places to have

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Speaker 1: we're used to being and how it feels and how

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Speaker 1: much nicer it is and the surroundings and everything. But

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Speaker 1: I mean McCarthy met with his player counsel the night

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Speaker 1: before that State of the Union and got a vibe that,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the team sort of has a little edge

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Speaker 1: and they don't even have the pads on yet. Pads

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Speaker 1: come on tomorrow, So to me, there was a little

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Speaker 1: it's usually very laid back, not much going on, and

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Speaker 1: I think they've since that, you know, a couple of

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Speaker 1: Like if they're ever going to do it, like it

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Speaker 1: almost has to be this season.

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Speaker 2: Well, Zach Martin, tenth year in Dallas, eight time All

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Speaker 2: Pro Jerry said, I'm not budgeting on the contract. This

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Speaker 2: It's been in the league for ten years and he's

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Speaker 2: got a couple of years left on his contract, and

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Speaker 2: you know, Patrick Mahomes right now is the seventh highest

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Speaker 2: think Jerry should budge, but do you think this could

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Speaker 2: get ugly surly?

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Speaker 1: No? Because Zach is not really he's not up to that.

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Speaker 1: Zeke was willing a few years ago to stare Jerry down,

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Speaker 1: even saying what Zeke did was wrong. Zeke did it

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Speaker 1: if Zach truly didn't show up, I mean, that's that's

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Speaker 1: a big problem. You can't start the season without your

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Speaker 1: all pro right guard. I mean, they don't really have

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Speaker 1: Jerry's voice was the fact that there's two years left

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Speaker 1: so Jerry's kind of right, Like, I mean, everybody loves

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Speaker 1: you know. And Zeke came in and was kind of

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Speaker 1: be so I don't I don't sense any worry. And

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Speaker 1: I think you know, you heard Dak say. Dak was

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Speaker 1: quoted saying, hey, the man talking about Zach and Jerry

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Speaker 1: was asked about that, and Jerry had a very funny answer,

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Speaker 1: which was, well, we pay the quarterbacks all the money.

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Speaker 2: That is funny. By the way, I saw that Zeke

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Speaker 2: visited the Patriots. You know, you always said Zeke was

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Speaker 2: a little bit the hole of the locker room. Now

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Speaker 2: that he's gone, do you still believe that?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. He was sending messages to the team

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Speaker 1: on the eve of their first practice. I think in

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Speaker 1: Tony Pollard still brings him up. I mean, people are

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Speaker 1: still there's still an aura about him. Now, he had

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Speaker 1: And that's what the call that Bill Belichick made was

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Speaker 1: to Stephen Jones, and he just wanted to know kind

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Speaker 1: chance to go one on one with Steven or two

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Speaker 1: you all you need to know, though on how much

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Speaker 1: And I said, what'd you think? What'd you think when

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Speaker 1: he went back and looked at yourself as a as

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Speaker 1: a play caller. And he kind of bristled a little bit,

427
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Speaker 1: and he's like, whoop, he said, go look it up.

428
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Speaker 1: I was the Assistant Coach of the Year that year,

429
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Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, okay, I mean it was,

430
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Speaker 1: and it was. He did it in kind of a

431
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Speaker 1: joking way and we had a nice laugh about it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he's he's kind of But that said, he

433
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Speaker 1: doesn't mind all the Jerry stuff. Now what bugs him

434
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Speaker 1: a little bit? Like we were a tint over while

435
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Speaker 1: he was doing his news conference Saturday morning talking to Steven,

436
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Speaker 1: you know, like doing our interviews. I don't know if

437
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Speaker 1: he could see that, but I do think from time

438
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Speaker 1: to time Mike notices when those of us in the

439
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Speaker 1: media are off talking to somebody else instead of him

440
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Speaker 1: kind of life. That's not how he did in Green Bay.

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Speaker 2: Now, now give us a little hint, give my audience

442
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Speaker 2: a little hint. You interviewed Stephen Jones with Edwarder. I

443
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Speaker 2: don't want you to give the whole present, but was

444
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Speaker 2: there a moment in the interview that is worthy that

445
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Speaker 2: we're worthy of getting here at the volume because it

446
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Speaker 2: was a pretty good interview. You told me with Stephen Jones,

447
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Speaker 2: what was your takeaway over all on it?

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Speaker 1: There was one moment that he talks about Dak turning

449
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Speaker 1: thirty in dak in any minchens of super and he

450
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Speaker 1: doesn't do that as much as Jerry, but kind of

451
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: brings that up. And no Cowboys quarterback in his thirties

452
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Speaker 1: has ever won a Super Bowl. And I and it

453
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Speaker 1: really to me spoke to the sense of urgency of

454
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Speaker 1: this guy's thirty. He wants to get it done now,

455
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Speaker 1: and he put special emphasis this year, this year, And

456
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Speaker 1: this is not always a this year team. This is

457
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Speaker 1: a let's be competitive. They want credit for winning a

458
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Speaker 1: bunch of division titles, but that's not what the team

459
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Speaker 1: should be measured on, given its illustrious past. But it's

460
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Speaker 1: been a long long time. It's been a long time

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Speaker 1: since all that happened. And as I've often told you,

462
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Speaker 1: if they even made it to the NFC Title Game, everybody,

463
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Speaker 1: everybody would have ten year extensions. Like it's not everybody

464
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Speaker 1: thinks a Super Bowl or bust. I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: the case, but I don't. I do think it's been

466
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Speaker 1: so long since they've been nineteen ninety six, since they've

467
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Speaker 1: been to an NFC title game, ninety five season, it's

468
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Speaker 1: they can't it can't go on anymore, Like it's just

469
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Speaker 1: it just it's year after year after year, and they

470
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Speaker 1: think that they have this window right now, and they

471
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Speaker 1: have a couple of stars on defense and Colin we've

472
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Speaker 1: talked about in the past. They've been kind of they've

473
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Speaker 1: they've been bear at wide receiver, and they've entered these

474
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Speaker 1: seasons and they just don't have enough firepower there with

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Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks, Ceedee Lamb, a renewed gallop who's back to

476
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Speaker 1: full health, and then Jalen Tolbert at least in the

477
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Speaker 1: first four days of camp or I attended, putting on

478
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Speaker 1: a show, they're they're jacked up at wide receiver, and

479
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Speaker 1: obviously they think Pollard has more juice than certainly what

480
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Speaker 1: Zeke was showing. So anyway, I thought there was a

481
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Speaker 1: lot of different ways. Also the Stephen on the on

482
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Speaker 1: the rookies, there's some stuff I think folks might enjoy there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the Niners have the best roster in

484
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Speaker 2: the NFC, and I think Dallas and Philadelphia are somewhere

485
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Speaker 2: in that second spot depending on the unit. You know,

486
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Speaker 2: Dallas has Mica, so they get the edge at linebacker.

487
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Speaker 2: I would say the Eagles get the edge at offensive line.

488
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Speaker 2: Both have very capable quarterbacks. Hurts maybe a little more talented.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I think I think if you looked

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Speaker 2: in the AFC, I would not consider Dallas. I wouldn't

491
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Speaker 2: give them a faint chance to make the AFC Championship.

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Speaker 2: But you know, they knock off the Jets early, they

493
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Speaker 2: beat the Giants in the opener. It's a two and

494
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Speaker 2: zero start. They're healthy. You start stockpilond wins. You get

495
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Speaker 2: a couple of w's against the Commanders, you don't have

496
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Speaker 2: to win all those bills Miami road games. You look up,

497
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Speaker 2: you've got eleven wins. You don't have the buy, you know,

498
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Speaker 2: but you're opening up in your first playoff game at

499
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Speaker 2: home against Seattle. You know, that's a really winnable game.

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Speaker 2: I think take the Niners out that because of Rock Party,

501
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: they don't pay any thing for quarterbacks, so they basically

502
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Speaker 2: have a stacked nineteen eighty seven roster. I think Philadelphia

503
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Speaker 2: and Dallas probably are somewhere fighting for the second best

504
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Speaker 2: roster in the NFC. That's my take. Does that seem

505
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Speaker 2: far fetched?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't. I think it's interesting. Hurts was so

507
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Speaker 1: great last season. I mean, let's see him back that

508
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Speaker 1: up without.

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Speaker 2: Shane Steiken by the way, who may do wonders for

510
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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson. That's going to be one of the stories.

511
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Speaker 2: You know, that Jonathan Taylor Colts thing. What people aren't

512
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Speaker 2: talking about, Matt is that are the Colts coaches watching

513
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson and saying, folks, we have a quarterback slash

514
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Speaker 2: running back. We don't need to pay a star running back,

515
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Speaker 2: because if you look at the backup running backs for

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Speaker 2: the Colts, they're not Jonathan Taylor, but Shane Steiken. Rookie

517
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Speaker 2: year with Justin Herbert, two years with Jalen Hurtz. The

518
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Speaker 2: guy does wonders with young quarterbacks, right. So I'm fascinated

519
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Speaker 2: by the coult situation. I do wonder if Jalen Hurst

520
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Speaker 2: I think we both love him, but I do wonder

521
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Speaker 2: if he takes a step back, just he goes from

522
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Speaker 2: a plus to a minus, if he just takes a

523
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Speaker 2: tad step back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that that could happen. And I just think from

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Speaker 1: a leadership standpoint, Dak is boy, he's he's at a

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Speaker 1: different level, but he has to back it up at

527
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Speaker 1: some point. And he had some introspective things to say,

528
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Speaker 1: you know, about like it happening and feeling so easy

529
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Speaker 1: for him in twenty sixteen when he started, and that

530
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Speaker 1: it may have messed with his mind a little bit. Well,

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Speaker 1: he's turning thirty. I think I think he was legitimately

532
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Speaker 1: embarrassed by the take, by the turnovers, all the interceptions,

533
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Speaker 1: and that that's a McCarthy. McCarthy is now. It was

534
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Speaker 1: fun to watch at camp because he was like like

535
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Speaker 1: a little kid. He reverted back to being a quarterbacks coach,

536
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Speaker 1: you know, back in the day, even before you know,

537
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Speaker 1: when he was like back in the late nineteen nineties,

538
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Speaker 1: he did not leave the side of the quarterbacks. And

539
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Speaker 1: then when we I thought, I thought he was kidding.

540
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Speaker 1: At one point he said, well, are you still going

541
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Speaker 1: to go to the defensive meetings and that kind of thing,

542
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Speaker 1: and he said, no, No, Basically, that part of my

543
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: coaching life for at least for now is over. I mean,

544
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Speaker 1: it's all in. It's all offense. And this is getting

545
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Speaker 1: back to where Jerry always said he was the most comfortable,

546
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Speaker 1: which was having like a Jason Garrett, having the offensive

547
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Speaker 1: coach or the defensive coach do it all. He didn't

548
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Speaker 1: like the walk around coach, and so I don't know

549
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Speaker 1: why they had to wait this long to do it.

550
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Speaker 1: But boy McCarthy, the way he's behaving on the field

551
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Speaker 1: and all, it's it's like he's more of an offensive

552
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: coordinator than a head coach, which is kind of interesting

553
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: because the team kind of has two head coaches. And

554
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons he can act like this now

555
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Speaker 1: is because Quinn. I mean, that's a pretty interesting thing, Colin,

556
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Speaker 1: that Quinn has stayed around even when he had opportunities

557
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: because the two of those guys, things could have gotten awkward.

558
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Speaker 1: And Quinn is one of those rare guys who recognized

559
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Speaker 1: what you brought up earlier, that Hey, I got all

560
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Speaker 1: this talent, I'm getting paid huge money, I'm at this

561
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Speaker 1: Marquee place. If I keep doing this, I'm going to

562
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Speaker 1: keep getting opportunities. Why do I need to jump back

563
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Speaker 1: in and be a head coach? Is it just for

564
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Speaker 1: ego or something? It is very rare when a coach

565
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: actually realizes I might be better at this than that. Yeah,

566
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Speaker 1: and Quinn sort of gets that. So it sets up

567
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Speaker 1: a You've got a defensive head coach and an offensive

568
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Speaker 1: head coach, which sounds like it could be awkward. The

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Speaker 1: only time it could be awkward is they do have

570
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Speaker 1: a great interim head coach right if things went south,

571
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Speaker 1: right right now, it looks like it works pretty nice,

572
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Speaker 1: nicely for them. And I'm just saying, Mike, Mike's through

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Speaker 1: going to any defensive meetings.

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Speaker 2: Well, I felt Sean McDermott and Brian Dabole felt like

575
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Speaker 2: a little bit that where you had a guy that

576
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Speaker 2: was a brilliant young offensive coordinator who kind of ran

577
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Speaker 2: the offense. He leaves, the offense doesn't look as good.

578
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Speaker 2: McDermott pretty much let him run it. So I don't

579
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Speaker 2: think that's I don't think that's bad at all. I mean,

580
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Speaker 2: when you know a lot of times, you know Pete

581
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Speaker 2: Carroll's running the defense, dan Quinn on the defense, he

582
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Speaker 2: needs to leave right like he's getting he's getting, Kirby

583
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: Smart needed to leave, Nick Saban. But I think dan Quinn,

584
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Speaker 2: I think he is a star in his own right.

585
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Speaker 2: So I think that I think you get that, you know,

586
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: you get that occasionally. Demiko o' rians with Kyle Shanahan.

587
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Speaker 2: Kyle gave him the defense. You be a star if

588
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: you want to leave, leave, But that part about Dallas,

589
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: I actually like, I like having a rockst I mean,

590
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Speaker 2: I think Quinn's on a short list of one of

591
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Speaker 2: the three best coordinators in football. I don't think there's

592
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Speaker 2: many now that Steichen is a head coach and Daveles

593
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Speaker 2: a head coach. I think Dan Quinn's the top two

594
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: to three coordinator in the NFL. That's never a bad

595
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: thing to me.

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Speaker 1: No, And you match that up with the most dynamic

597
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: defender in the NFL at this point, with Michael Parsons,

598
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: a guy who knows how to deploy and change things up.

599
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: And as somebody was saying the other day, this guy

600
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Speaker 1: hasn't even really figured out pass rushing yet. Like he's

601
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Speaker 1: this big, he's this big of a threat, and he's

602
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Speaker 1: still learning how to be a pass rusher, Like that's

603
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Speaker 1: not what he grew up doing. And if he figures

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Speaker 1: it all out, I mean he's a He's a holy terror, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Mosley. So you're back home in Texas now, I

606
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: hope a cooling trend awaits you at some point. You

607
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: guys have had quite a steamer this summer, Yeah, we have.

608
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Speaker 1: I have thought about next week going to Boulder to

609
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: welcome the Colorado Buffs back to our Big twelve, and

610
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Speaker 1: I think that would be a nice cool environm and

611
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: that's that's there's been some excitement with that. So the

612
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: Big twelve that a lot of people dismissed has come

613
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: roaring back. I know TAC nine is in a is

614
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: a bit of a pin.

615
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: We're going to be inviting schools from Idaho and directional schools.

616
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Speaker 2: And I saw a story today Washington and Oregon are

617
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 2: listening to the ACC. It's like, good, hell, what's happened

618
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: to the You know what? Though I say this all

619
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: the time I grew up, I love the PAC twelve,

620
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 2: PAC ten, Pack eight. I loved it. But the downside

621
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Speaker 2: of the West Coast as a collegiate conference is Seattle,

622
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Speaker 2: San Francisco, Phoenix, Los Angeles have got dozens of pro teams,

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Speaker 2: and it's the passion that filling the stadiums and arenas

624
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Speaker 2: is harder. It's not Waco, it's not Still Water, it's

625
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: not Madison, Wisconsin. It's not Starksville, Mississippi. You know, out west,

626
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Speaker 2: we got the mountains, we got the beaches, we got

627
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Speaker 2: the lakes, we got pro sports. It's harder to get

628
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: people on Saturday to jam into a college stadium. And frankly,

629
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Speaker 2: the Big twelve passion is better than the Pac twelve passion,

630
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Speaker 2: and I think Colorado realized.

631
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Speaker 1: Well and they had a chance, by the way, to

632
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Speaker 1: do some big merger when the pack, when the Big

633
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: twelve was in trouble after Texas and Ou left and

634
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: Clevekoff and the rest of the Pac twelve kind of

635
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: laughed at the Big twelve leftovers. And since then they

636
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: made some good moves, brought some teams in. And this

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Speaker 1: Brett your Mark. You've probably had him on already at

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Speaker 1: some point, but he needs to be on the volume.

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Speaker 1: He needs to be on a podcast with you, because

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Speaker 1: he is a fascinating guy. And I learned more about

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Speaker 1: more and more about him all the time, and I

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Speaker 1: just I love kind of seeing a basketball guy who

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Speaker 1: comes from entertainment try to like I mean, he's he's

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00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: galvanized all these football people and he's even convinced him,

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Speaker 1: hey we can, we can. We may be able to

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Speaker 1: go find a whole nother revenue stream based off basketball.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. I mean, like some of the stuff he's

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Speaker 1: doing should have been thought about forever. Is like, hey,

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Speaker 1: why don't you instead of just constantly on these media

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Speaker 1: rights deals, go find some of these other streams, go

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00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 1: find maybe get some basketball only money, build the greatest

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Speaker 1: basketball conference you could ever have, and they're on their

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Speaker 1: way to doing it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they steal if they steal Arizona and you put

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Speaker 2: Arizona with Kansas and Missouri and uh, you know, Texas

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00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: always has talent, you know, although they're leaving. Obviously, Baylor's

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00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: become a powerhouse. So you throw, you throw Arizona schools,

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Speaker 2: especially Tucson is a great basketball program. You get all

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Speaker 2: worked up on. I don't want to to take the

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Speaker 2: you know, attention away from your excellent cowboys stories today

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Speaker 2: because you're very, very embedded and I thought you really

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Speaker 2: brought your a game today considering you're in sweltering heat

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Speaker 2: for the last two months.

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Speaker 1: It's been a little rough, but we're gonna, we're gonna,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna make it. And uh man, just like most years,

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Speaker 1: I always kind of roll into Lax and my thought

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Speaker 1: is all my buddies, Colin, Dave, Greg, all these names

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Speaker 1: that have been great friends for years, that we're gonna

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Speaker 1: hang out and it didn't quite happen. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a seventeenth consecutive year, but uh, one of these years

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Speaker 1: will make it.

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Speaker 3: Happen, could see anybody all right, good night.

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Speaker 1: The volume