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Speaker 1: Hey guys, Emily a body here with episode eighty three

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Speaker 1: of Hurdle, a podcast that talks to everyone from entrepreneurs

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Speaker 1: to top CEOs and athletes about how they've gotten through

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Speaker 1: tough times hurdles of sorts by leaning in to wellness.

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Speaker 1: I'm fresh back this week from Denver, where I can't

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Speaker 1: also had the opportunity to sit down with Nina Williams.

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Speaker 2: She's a pro climber for the.

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Speaker 1: North Face and she specializes in a type of climbing

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Speaker 1: called high balling, which is essentially bouldering, but just climbing

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Speaker 1: really really high boulders. More on the craziness that is

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Speaker 1: Like I said, she's a pro climber and the type

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Speaker 1: of climbing that she does is super super difficult.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Usually we think of rock climbing, and we think of

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Speaker 1: people on blay with a rope attached to them, a harness,

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Speaker 1: but Nina's style of climbing involves none of that stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's just her moving up boulders the best that she can,

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Speaker 1: and of course there are crash pads under her, and

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Speaker 1: we talk about all the logistics of that in today's episode,

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Speaker 1: we also chat about how she got her start at

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Speaker 1: a really young age and the pressures that came hand

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Speaker 1: in hand with that. She opens up to me about

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Speaker 1: a hurdle moment right when she started climbing, where she

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Speaker 1: actually cheated her way through a couple of competitions, and

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Speaker 1: it is something that she looks back on now and

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Speaker 1: isn't all that proud of course about her actions, but

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Speaker 1: she can say without a doubt that that experience as

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Speaker 1: a younger girl really taught her so many things. She

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Speaker 1: talks to me about the sanctions that happened because of

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Speaker 1: her actions, and the lessons that volunteering instead of climbing

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Speaker 1: for an entire calendar year really taught her during this

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Speaker 1: tough time. She also continues on to tell me how

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Speaker 1: she got to where she is today, leaving college and

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Speaker 1: pursuing her climbing passions in Colorado. She tells me about

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Speaker 1: why she's back in school now, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: that is because of the lessons that she's learned on

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Speaker 1: the rocks. We chat about failure and fear, and let

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Speaker 1: me tell you this girl's perspective on fear and how

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Speaker 1: to manage it.

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Speaker 1: with that, let's get to hurdling. Today, I'm sitting down

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Speaker 1: with Nina Williams. She is a north Face sponsored pro

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Speaker 1: climber and athlete. Also, when I asked her how she

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Speaker 1: would describe her self, she said, a constantly changing and

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Speaker 1: dynamic human being.

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Speaker 2: How does that make you feel? Makes you feel more confident?

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Speaker 2: In my answer? I think hearing it said back.

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Speaker 1: To me when it said back, it sounds good. So

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Speaker 1: what does being a climber mean for you these days? Like?

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Speaker 2: What are you climbing?

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Speaker 3: So, when I guess when I first started out climbing,

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Speaker 3: bouldering is when you climb without any ropes, but usually

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Speaker 3: of taller bouldering, which a lot of people call high

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Speaker 3: So I have sometimes climbed boulders as tall as like

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Speaker 3: you know, it'll sort of break my landing. But in

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Speaker 3: addition to bouldering and high ball bouldering, I also do

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Speaker 3: traditional climbing and sport climbing, which is more roped, say

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Speaker 2: So these days.

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Speaker 3: I'm really doing a little bit of everything while trying

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Speaker 2: Can we talk about sort of break your fall?

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Speaker 1: Like the keyword on my sentence was just like slightly alarming.

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Speaker 2: So what happens when you fall?

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Speaker 3: Well, generally, when I fall, I'll hit the ground, and

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Speaker 3: the impact of that ground fall depends on how high

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Speaker 3: up I am. The farthest I've ever fallen is probably

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Speaker 3: you will fall at some point. So I like to

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Speaker 3: say that I got really good at falling as well

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Speaker 3: And I think that contributed to my being able to

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Speaker 3: And there's this, I mean, there's a small chance of uh,

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Speaker 1: Want to like underplay like how well you do this

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Speaker 1: climbing there are all these like jazzy little things that

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Speaker 1: like when someone says that you have bouldered a V thirteen,

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Speaker 3: So the V thirteen is part of a bouldering scale

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Speaker 2: Got it? Okay?

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Speaker 1: And what is the most insane thing you've ever bouldered?

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Speaker 3: Probably my most recent high ball boulder, which is called

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Speaker 3: Too Big to Flail, And that's a fifty foot tall

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Speaker 2: And that is a V What that's V ten? A

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Speaker 1: You are based out here in Boulder. We're in Denver

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Speaker 2: Yes, Where did you grow up? I grew up in

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Speaker 2: Rhode Island on the East coast. And did you grow

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Speaker 3: I spent a lot of time in New Hampshire. I

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Speaker 3: did a lot of skiing and snowboarding when I was young,

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Speaker 3: and I still do that, but I climbed a lot

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Speaker 1: Okay, and when you were young, did you ever dream

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Speaker 3: When I first started climbing, I went to a competition

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Speaker 3: first thoughts was, I'm going to live here someday, And

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Speaker 2: Talk to me about how you started climbing.

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Speaker 3: So I started climbing because I had tried a variety

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Speaker 3: I was immediately psyched on it. And there was just

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Speaker 1: How old were you at the time I was twelve

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is such an interesting sport for a

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, my parents did not think that this is

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Speaker 3: something I should get into. Actually, my dad, who is now,

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Speaker 2: My biggest supporters, but back then he.

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Speaker 3: Was like, don't you want to try like tennis or something.

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Speaker 2: Is this like a phase.

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Speaker 3: But eventually, you know, they saw how passionate I was

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you start climbing at twelve.

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Speaker 3: Let's say I started climbing when I was twelve and

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Speaker 3: started competing when I was thirteen, and then I continued

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Speaker 2: Like two or three years ago.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when you first started competing in the sport, did

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Speaker 2: Was it more fun or was it just different? Oh?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's also so interesting in this conversation

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Speaker 2: But to not have that same support system in place.

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Speaker 3: I felt humiliated, I felt beat down, But you know,

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Speaker 3: Let bygones be bygones, and I just kept climbing.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back to it. What did your parents think?

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Speaker 3: Uh, well, I'm an only child, so my parents were

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Speaker 3: they understood my need to go to the mountains, need.

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Speaker 2: To get out. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so you move here and you're climbing all the time,

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Speaker 1: And when does it go from like I'm climbing out

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Speaker 3: That's a good question because what qualifies as.

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Speaker 2: Pro right, That's a great I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of climbers that get free gear,

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Speaker 3: fixtures in their community, and that's really awesome. And then

441
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 3: at some point climbers are getting paid. You know, we

442
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 3: could start out with like a travel budget or then

443
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 3: you move on to salary. So it just and then

444
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 3: like people are climbing full time, but then there's climbers

445
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 3: that are climbing full time with like also, I don't

446
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 3: know regular jobs and lives, So yeah, I.

447
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Speaker 2: Guess I'm not sure.

448
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 3: I think when I finally quit my Starbucks job and

449
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 3: my coaching job on the side and I was living

450
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 3: entirely off the money for my sponsors, that's when I

451
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 3: could say that I was one hundred percent professional.

452
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Speaker 1: Right, And so do you start traveling more or what

453
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 1: happens like, cause were you like kind of hanging around

454
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: the area for a little while and then like once

455
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: you really were like this is what I'm really doing,

456
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Speaker 1: Like I feel like it must have been such a

457
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Speaker 1: surreal kind of transition.

458
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was.

459
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 3: It wasn't that big of a transition because when I

460
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 3: was working at Starbucks, they I had an awesome manager

461
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 3: that would let me just drop everything and go for

462
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 3: like a month or two and then come back and

463
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 3: have a job. So I was already in this mindset

464
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,120
Speaker 3: of like going on these climbing trips and then coming

465
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Speaker 3: back and working for a while and then going on

466
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Speaker 3: another climbing trip and coming back.

467
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Speaker 1: Uh.

468
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Speaker 3: And then once I quit Starbucks, it was just this

469
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 3: constant cycle of like going on a trip and then

470
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 3: coming back and going training and then competing and then

471
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: going on another trip. And then it just turned into yeah,

472
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 3: this constant flow flow.

473
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Speaker 1: Okay, And do you start to make a lot of

474
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: good friends in the scene over here?

475
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: Yes?

476
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the most amazing thing about climbing is

477
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,239
Speaker 3: that you can go anywhere in the world and know

478
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 3: people that are also into the same support as you.

479
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 3: So I had a really good base of friends in Colorado,

480
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 3: but then I mean I would spend a lot of

481
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Speaker 3: time in Texas, in Utah, California, and then internationally like

482
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Speaker 3: in South Africa and Australia.

483
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Speaker 2: Like just people all over the world I could tap into.

484
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about then, when you become more of

485
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Speaker 1: a well known climber, what is that transition like?

486
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Speaker 2: Because correct me if I'm wrong.

487
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Speaker 1: You have something like one hundred and sixty seven thousand

488
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Speaker 1: people following you on social media. So that didn't just

489
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Speaker 1: happen like in four seconds.

490
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Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's hard to say, I have never

491
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: I don't think of myself as a well known climber

492
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Speaker 3: because I don't ever expect people to know me, Like

493
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 3: I don't people know of me through climbing, sure, but

494
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 3: I don't know I like walk into the climbing gym

495
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: or I go to events.

496
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: And I don't, you know, I don't.

497
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 3: I never expect anything in that sense and still don't.

498
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe one hundred and sixty seven thousand people

499
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 3: follow me on Instagram.

500
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Speaker 2: I I guess that's not I'm.

501
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 3: Not even sure where that transition happened, either.

502
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: But I mean it happened. So for you, Like, how

503
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: has that impacted you? Because like, even for me, like

504
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: I do not have one hundred and sixty seven thousand

505
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: people keeping up with me in any capacity, but I

506
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: do have like fifteen thousand people keeping up with me,

507
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: and that actually like feels really overwhelming at times.

508
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually feels like a certain type of responsibility,

509
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 3: and it means so many different things for different people.

510
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: But for me, I guess, being well known and having

511
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 3: this platform with access to so many people, it's a

512
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 3: responsibility for me to be the most authentic person that

513
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 3: I can, so that I don't have to pretend to

514
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: be someone that I'm not, because ultimately being someone that

515
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 3: I'm not as a lot harder. But I think that

516
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 3: in this age of social media where we're trying to

517
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 3: portray these images of ourselves and to put out messages

518
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: that we think other people will like or enjoy, it

519
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 3: just ties back to my previous experiences of external motivators,

520
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: of being motivated by people outside of us and things

521
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 3: that we expect, you know, from other people where but

522
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 3: really like the at least in my opinion, the more

523
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: healthier motivation is something that's internal, that's coming from ourselves.

524
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Speaker 2: So when I.

525
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: Look at my platform and I try and think of

526
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 3: how I'm representing myself, it's like, I just want to

527
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: be as true as possible and express what I'm feeling

528
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: in the moment, you know, taking into consideration a wide audience.

529
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm just I'm trying to be me.

530
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Speaker 2: Just trying to be me.

531
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to like better understand with the bold

532
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: during situation, because it takes time to work up to

533
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: what you're doing now. So when did it go from

534
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: more I would say like traditional bouldering maybe, and not

535
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: the high the high high stuff that you're doing now,

536
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: Like when did that really start to happen?

537
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: And how did you get over?

538
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: Probably what was a lot of initial fear, I would

539
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: think to make that transition.

540
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: To make the transition from bouldering to high ball. Yes,

541
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 3: so part of it again ties back into getting good

542
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: at falling. So I became comfortable with falling. But when

543
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 3: I started climbing some of these taller boulders, like between

544
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: fifteen and twenty feet tall, I would feel my fear

545
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: in this physical way.

546
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Speaker 2: So I would feel it.

547
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: In my body, in my hands, in my eyes, and

548
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 3: it became to the point where it would just like

549
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 3: overcome me. It would overcome my senses, and that's where

550
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: I would freeze up, and that's where I would want

551
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 3: to downclimb or not try again. But once I realized

552
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 3: that this fear was something I could identify and become

553
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: familiar with, then it wasn't so much a matter of

554
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: overcoming my fear as much as it was like recognizing

555
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 3: it and accepting it as part of myself. Because the

556
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: minute I accepted my fear as a part of me,

557
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: then I could remove it from myself because I was

558
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: familiar with it and say hey, like I hear you,

559
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: I see you, I feel you in me, but I

560
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 3: don't have to let you hold me back because fear

561
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 3: it's like this survival instinct. Everyone has fear, Everyone experiences

562
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: it in these different ways. And the more we try

563
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 3: and ignore it and push it back into the dark,

564
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 3: then we can't ever see it and properly like grab

565
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 3: onto it and say hey, like you're here, and I

566
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: know you're here.

567
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: It's like this little it's.

568
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,239
Speaker 3: Like the monster under the bed that we don't want

569
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: to acknowledge. But the minute we over rip open the

570
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: covers and we're like, oh, like this is how I

571
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: feel when I'm scared. This is what happens to my body,

572
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: and so therefore I can manage it. Then the fear

573
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: becomes something that you can like hold in and be like,

574
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 3: all right, I'm just gonna put.

575
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Speaker 2: You in the back.

576
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Speaker 1: Do you totally geek out over sports psychology? I've gotten

577
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: yeat really like I'm just listening do you speak? And

578
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: it's reminding me And I just literally cracked the book.

579
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: But Matt Fitzgerald's how bad do you Want It? I

580
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: literally just cracked it. But pretty much the first like

581
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: four chapters are all about what you are saying and

582
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: talking about fear and rate of perceived exertion. And so

583
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: it's so interesting because I think obviously these realizations that

584
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: you're having during your sport, while you're climbing, as you know,

585
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: are so applicable to just like everything in life. Have

586
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: you found that your progress as a climber has enabled

587
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: you to kind of unlock potential within like maybe even

588
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: your other relationships and certainly within yourself.

589
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred percent. And that actually so in climbing,

590
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 3: there were so many things I told myself that I

591
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 3: wouldn't do growing up. I was like, oh, I've never

592
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 3: climb V ten, I would never you know, do this

593
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: high bultb Boulder. I would never get into traditional big

594
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: wall or any of this stuff. I'd never like be

595
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: a sponsored athlete. But I proved myself wrong in this

596
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 3: sense because it's just these this step by.

597
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: Step progression that happens.

598
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: So once I realized these things that I told myself,

599
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: there were just limits that I placed because I didn't

600
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: believe in myself at the time. But it's it's just

601
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: like a lot of bs, it's just all these lies

602
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 3: and not even lies. It's just it's like these boxes

603
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 3: that we put ourselves in, and we don't want to

604
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: expand outside of the boxes because it's the unknown. It's

605
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: like scary stuff that we don't want to see or acknowledge.

606
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: But once I realized, wow, you know, I am, like,

607
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: I'm a decent climber, and I can do these things

608
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: if I really put my mind to it, and I thought, wow,

609
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: there's so many things that you can apply to life,

610
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: as I just said. And one of my biggest fears

611
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 3: or limitations in life non climbing, was the fact that

612
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: I've never been a good student, that I'm not a

613
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: classroom learner. But those are just things that I told

614
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: myself that I've made myself believe. So I'm actually going

615
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: back to school the semester for the first time in

616
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: eight years at University of Colorado, mostly not mostly, but

617
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 3: definitely partly to sort of spite myself and say, hey,

618
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: those are just limitations I told myself long ago. And

619
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Speaker 3: I know that I can graduate, and I know that

620
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: I can get good grades, and I know that I'm intelligent,

621
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: and I'm just going to prove that to me.

622
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Speaker 1: I know, I was in the seminar a couple of

623
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: years ago and we were talking about the difference between

624
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Speaker 1: saying I'm scared of heights and I have brown hair.

625
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: I have brown hair as a fact, I feel as

626
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: though I am scared of heights. Like you can work

627
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: on that. You know, it doesn't it's not a definitive.

628
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: It's not something that can't change. So it's just identifying

629
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Speaker 1: when it is like something feels like some kind of way,

630
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: and when something is some kind of way in differentiating

631
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Speaker 1: the fact versus like what we believe to be true,

632
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Speaker 1: I feel like you're the kind of person that probably

633
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: has a lot of really good books suggestions.

634
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: Well, actually only have one specific book to recommend. Okay,

635
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: it's called Mindset by Carol Dweck, and it's a book

636
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: that's been around for a while, but it focuses specifically

637
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: on the difference between a fixed and a growth mindset,

638
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: and it connects.

639
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: To a lot of stuff that we just talked about.

640
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: But reading that book helped me tremendously because it applied

641
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: a lot of good topics but in a really basic

642
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: and simple to understand way. And honestly, I feel like

643
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: a lot of books these days are the same thing

644
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 3: expressed differently. But what I love about Carol Dweck's book

645
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: is that it's because it's been around for so long.

646
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 3: It's just like a really good foundational book to.

647
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Speaker 1: Have, even though you are capable when it comes to climbing,

648
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: to like put that fear on your backside. Can you

649
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: think back to a time or specific fall or a

650
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: problem that you were trying to solve that really shook

651
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: you despite knowing that like you could handle it.

652
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was probably my first real high ball, and

653
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: by real, I mean this high ball was probably like

654
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: thirty five or forty feet off the ground, and I

655
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: had tried it once on a rope the day before,

656
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: but I didn't try it again after that, like the

657
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 3: top tall part, And normally with these high balls I'll

658
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: climb it from bottom to top at least like two

659
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: or three or four times, so I get the move styled.

660
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: But during this first high ball, my lack of experience,

661
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: I just did the top once and then didn't really

662
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: expect to make it through the bottom part because that

663
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: was the really difficult portion.

664
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Speaker 1: I guess that's something also important to reiterate, because once

665
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: you get up, you have to get down right.

666
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, And no one talks.

667
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: About that wells usually there's something called the downclimb, which

668
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 3: is like the easiest part of the boulder to climb down.

669
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: So on this particular boulder, there's like a five to

670
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: nine down climb, so it's not like too crazy. But

671
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: I the bottom part of this like forty foot boulder

672
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 3: was a V nine boulder problem, and then the upper half,

673
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: like the last twenty feet of it was five ten ish.

674
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: But again I only did the the top part on

675
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: a rope once, and so the next day I went back,

676
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: made it through the bottom unexpectedly like figured out some beta,

677
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: and then found myself on the headwall and was like, oh, well,

678
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: I've done this once before, so I should be able

679
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: to do it again, like it's totally fine.

680
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 2: And it was.

681
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: And I kept climbing and climbing until I got to

682
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: about maybe like ten feet from the top, so I

683
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 3: was solid, like thirty feet off the ground. And there

684
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: was this one foot move that I forgot about on

685
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: a rope because when I was on the rope, I

686
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: didn't think about it at all. But without the rope

687
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: everything becomes much clearer and more in focus, and I

688
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: had to make this foot move on a really slippery

689
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 3: nubbin and I just remember pausing and like shake, like

690
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: starting to freak out in my head, just like, oh

691
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: my god, Like I felt that fear rising in my chest.

692
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: But then something slammed the brakes and was like, no,

693
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 3: this is a serious situation, like this is kind of

694
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: an emergency and you cannot freak out right now. And

695
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: then my second thought was, you know, if you were

696
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: two feet off the ground, this move would be no issue,

697
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: So it shouldn't be an issue right now, and so

698
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: I made the foot move, also understanding like the longer

699
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: I waited, the more energy I wasted. So made the

700
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: foot move, got to the top, and then the minute

701
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: I got, you know, into the safe part. Once I

702
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: topped out the boulder, all the tension I had been

703
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: holding just released and my body started shaking, and I

704
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: was just like I just felt it express physically in

705
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: all this adrenaline. But yeah, that was a point where

706
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, I'm not gonna do that again.

707
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to feel this way when I'm climbing

708
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: up up this high.

709
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: I want to be.

710
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: Confident in myself and not like I'm pushing through an emergency.

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Speaker 1: optimize the way you train. It's interesting because I there

735
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Speaker 1: are so many things in life that make you feel

736
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: that way that you just described right like that, like,

737
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm so anxious?

738
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: What am I doing? How am I going to get

739
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: through this?

740
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: And a lot of the time we do kind of

741
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: like succumb to it just because And and the thing

742
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: that's crazy is that even though you have done this

743
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: so many times, like you still feel that way. So,

744
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have any suggestions or tactics that

745
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: you use to kind of get over that just overwhelming feeling.

746
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

747
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: So the voice in our head that can manifest as fear,

748
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 3: but it can also manifest as doubt and uncertainty. This

749
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: voice that says, you know, you're not strong enough, you

750
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: shouldn't be here, you're not good enough, you're not smart enough.

751
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: That's one part of ourselves. Again, that's like just part

752
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: of us. It's totally natural to have that. But I

753
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: like to call on what I refer to as the

754
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: observer voice, and the observer is the one that can

755
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: look at that part of us kind of like in

756
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: this dual mirror type way and be like, huh, it's

757
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: interesting that you're going through this. You know what's going

758
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: on here? What factors are making you feel this way?

759
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: Like?

760
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 3: What is the context? What is the situation? The observer

761
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: is able to be totally objective and specifically to use

762
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: the word interesting in a way that evokes curiosity. And

763
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 3: I love the word interesting in particular. I don't know

764
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: if you've ever noticed in conversation, but people are always like, oh,

765
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: that's so interesting, or like it can be either positive

766
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: or negative, but it usually is just like, oh, it's

767
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: like a little bit more questioning, a little more curiosity.

768
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: So when I use the observer voice to engage curiosity

769
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: in the situation, it's able to take that element of

770
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 3: fear out and just be like, Okay, what are the

771
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 3: facts what's going on here that I can change that

772
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: I have control over? And then what do I not

773
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: have control over that I.

774
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: Can just like be okay with.

775
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So tapping into the observer voice for me is

776
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 3: a way to be like, all right, you know, what's

777
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 3: going on with my body, what's going on with my

778
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 3: heart rate, what's going on in my head? What can

779
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: I discard that's not helping me right now? And what

780
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 3: can I tap into that will help me?

781
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

782
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: I mean, where have you fell in a climbing experience

783
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: that you have literally so much so had to tap

784
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: into this observer voice.

785
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 3: Uh, probably on too big to flail because the style

786
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 3: of climbing is really insecure. So at several points with

787
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 3: some of the feet, you know, they were really bad.

788
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 3: There were like I could have popped off, and I

789
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 3: felt that fear rising up. I could like hear my

790
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: heart beat in my ears, and I could you know,

791
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 3: my hands were really sweaty and my limbs were shaking sometimes.

792
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: But I used this observer voice to just think, like, oh, like, okay,

793
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: your heart's beeeding really fast and you can hear that

794
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: right now. But that's okay because you've done these moves before,

795
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 3: you know what to do and you just have to

796
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: keep going.

797
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: What would you say has been one of the best

798
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: pieces of advice that you've been offered in your career

799
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: so far as a climber.

800
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: I think, and this is I mean, I've gotten lots

801
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: of great pieces of advice from a lot of people,

802
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: but one that always comes to mind was something my

803
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 3: coach said to me a long time ago, and it

804
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: wasn't like, you know, a little snippet of words of

805
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: wisdom or anything, but basically he told me that it's

806
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: not productive to put climbers or other people on these

807
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: petestals and to you know, like celebrities or pro climbers

808
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: or you know, anyone in this world. We're all just

809
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: people trying to work through our own lives and our

810
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 3: own issues and problems, and so to believe that anyone

811
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: is like so much better or so much worse than

812
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: someone else really just holds us back and holds our

813
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: own growth back because we're looking to other people. Not

814
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 3: that we shouldn't look to other people for inspiration, but

815
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: we should really look to ourselves for inspiration and growth,

816
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 3: because that's where the strongest source is is within ourselves.

817
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: So that's something I've always hold on to.

818
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: Come back to.

819
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: I love that now when you think about what it

820
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 1: is that like you want to do next, like what's

821
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: on the radar.

822
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:48,439
Speaker 3: Honestly, I would really love to graduate, that's my goal

823
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 3: number one. But I'd love to get more into big

824
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 3: wall traditional climbing, a little more adventure style climbing, like

825
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: I love highballing, but I don't want to pursus sue

826
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: it as like as a sport, Like I don't want

827
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 3: that to be my only thing because I like, I

828
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 3: love that type of climbing for the aesthetics, because it

829
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: makes me really happy. But the minute I turn it

830
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: into something like, oh I have I have to go

831
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: climb something tall or like push the limits, that's just

832
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: it's an external motivator. So yeah, I'm just exploring my

833
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: options and staying psyched.

834
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: And obviously over the past few years, like I feel

835
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: like more than ever, climbing has kind of come to

836
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: the forefront, especially like in a pop culture sensation. What

837
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: would you say, like, how does that make you feel?

838
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: Is that like something that excites you? Is that something

839
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: that you're like, Oh, I kind of wish this wasn't happening.

840
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 3: Oh, I think it's awesome. I think it's awesome because

841
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: I think it's inevitable. Like there's no use saying I

842
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: wish it wasn't getting so big. Like climbing is great

843
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 3: and I'm unsurprised that it's getting mainstream. I just encourage

844
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: people to, you know, climb outside, climb in the gym,

845
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: like go wherever they're happy, find a support system and

846
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: don't let anyone else try to tell you what climbing is,

847
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: because climbing is what you make of it. Whether you

848
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: want to you know, climb outside and like be a

849
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: bit a great big adventure, or if you just want

850
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 3: to let go do it for fitness and do it

851
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: for fun, like make it into whatever you want it

852
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: to be, and like.

853
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: That's what I love. That's why I love the sports

854
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: so much.

855
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: I also think that being a female climber is like

856
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: an interesting thing because for so long, like we've seen

857
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: men do this, but now, especially with the rise of

858
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: climbing being in the mainstream media and seeing so many

859
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: more of these documentaries and seeing women get outside, it's

860
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: really empowering. But it's also like, again, like something that

861
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: we haven't seen much of before. So what does it

862
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: mean to you to be someone again, Like going back

863
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: to that reference point of having so many people like

864
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: keeping up with you on social at least, like people

865
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: are seeing you in a way and you're inspiring people

866
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: to do something that maybe they didn't think was something

867
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: that women would be doing.

868
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean women.

869
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: I think I don't want to make like a huge generalization,

870
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 3: but I think in general, women are told to stay

871
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,280
Speaker 3: safe and be careful and not take risks, and climbing

872
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: offers so many avenues to do the opposite of that,

873
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: whether it's climbing you know, a fifty foot boulder or

874
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: even a five foot bolder or something like that makes

875
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: you scared. And the fact that women can do these

876
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 3: things and really keep up with the men to some degree.

877
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 2: Is amazing.

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Speaker 3: And I'm I feel in such a position of privilege

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Speaker 3: and luck to be doing the things that I do

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Speaker 3: and to inspire other women and hopefully inspire like everyone

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Speaker 3: regardless of gender. But to be able to speak to

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Speaker 3: an audience of women and say, hey, like, yeah, women

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Speaker 3: are out here doing it. Like if I'm doing it,

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Speaker 3: then you can do it too. I'm in a weird

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Speaker 3: place with this specific topic because I grew up in

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Speaker 3: a time where I was the only woman. Not the

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Speaker 3: only woman, but there just weren't other female mentors around me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had to.

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Speaker 3: Rely on myself to to inspire and to push myself,

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Speaker 3: and that can be really overwhelming. Yeah, and it was difficult,

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Speaker 3: And that's honestly one of the factors that led to,

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Speaker 3: you know, one of the reasons why I ended up

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Speaker 3: cheating is because I wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Keep up with the boys.

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Speaker 3: But these days there are so many inspiring female figures

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Speaker 3: and a much more powerful female community within climbing that

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Speaker 3: I think it's awesome that women can get together and

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Speaker 3: like go to these all female festivals or competitions and

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Speaker 3: like find community in each other. And I really encourage that.

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Speaker 3: But I also think that women should not limit themselves

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00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: to only being inspired by other women, like to go

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Speaker 3: out and do things, not to be like the first

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Speaker 3: woman to do something, but just to be the first

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Speaker 3: person to do that overall. Yeah, so it's a fine line.

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Speaker 3: I think there's like a lot of different ways to

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Speaker 3: look at it.

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Speaker 1: But again, when people look to you for inspiration, they

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00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: come to your page the someone who's super strong obviously,

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00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: like you have arms that are amazing because you climb

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Speaker 1: very big, very big rocks, So they see that. But

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Speaker 1: when you look in the mirror, what is it that

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Speaker 1: you see?

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Speaker 3: I want to look at myself in this like reflective

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Speaker 3: mirror here.

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Speaker 2: Uh gosh.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like I said before, I see someone that's

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Speaker 3: in a constant state of change. I see a young

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Speaker 3: woman who's trying to figure herself out and who always

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Speaker 3: will be trying to learn more about myself and the

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Speaker 3: people around me, and I'm really excited about that. So

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Speaker 3: I look in the mirror and I see my past

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Speaker 3: self and my future self, but I mostly just see

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Speaker 3: the present me who's trying to ask all the questions.

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Speaker 1: Aside from climbing and obviously your education at the moment,

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Speaker 1: what else are you super passionate about?

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Speaker 3: Ooh mmm, gosh, I love my hedgehog. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: pet hedgehog.

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Speaker 2: What's your hedgehog's name?

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Speaker 3: Her name is Franki Evon Quillsberry.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, that's not a pet name at all. Where's

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Speaker 1: the name from? Well?

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Speaker 3: I chose Frankie because she's a girl, but I kind

933
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Speaker 3: of like the idea of like this girl boy name

934
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Speaker 3: and then Vonk Wilsbury, you know, just add some flair

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Speaker 3: to the end.

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Speaker 2: Willsbury. How long have you had her?

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Speaker 3: I've had her since she was a baby, So for

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Speaker 3: the last five years?

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Speaker 2: Do you travel with her? I used to, but I

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Speaker 2: know't anymore. She's gotten a little dream climb.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's a hard that's a hard one. Probably

942
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Speaker 3: something in Yosemite. Yeah, I love I love that area. Gosh, Actually,

943
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Speaker 3: you know what A dream climb is something is a

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Speaker 3: climb that I could bring someone else up and share

945
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 3: that experience, like have that experience for them be really

946
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Speaker 3: new and exciting and for me just being able to

947
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Speaker 3: share that experience with them. So any climb, you know,

948
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Speaker 3: because I could talk for days about like personal goals

949
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Speaker 3: and like climes that I'm psyched on, but I think

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Speaker 3: a dream climb would be a clime that I could

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Speaker 3: bring someone else that's new to the sport up and

952
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Speaker 3: just be like, hey, like check it out.

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Speaker 2: Isn't this awesome? What excites you right now?

954
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Speaker 3: Just having quiet time to myself, Like life has gotten

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00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: a little busy with school and climbing, and any point

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Speaker 3: where I can just sit down and like chill, that's

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Speaker 3: really special.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: The way that I wind down the podcast, do you

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Speaker 1: have an opportunity right now to offer yourself a piece

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Speaker 1: of advice? Maybe your younger self going through that hurdle

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Speaker 1: moment when you have to take a year off of

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00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: the sport. You have an opportunity right now to offer

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Speaker 1: yourself one piece of advice. Looking back on that right now,

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00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: what do you tell yourself?

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Speaker 3: I think I would tell myself, you know, things are

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Speaker 3: really hard right now, but it won't be like this

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Speaker 3: forever and you'll get through it. And as long as

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Speaker 3: you trust in yourself, then things will change.

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Speaker 1: And that's it.

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Speaker 2: Amazing. Thank you so much for sitting down with me. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: thank you.

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Speaker 1: Please take a moment and leave a quick review of

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Speaker 1: this episode. We all face multiple hurdles in life. I

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Speaker 1: want to hear about yours. Reach out to me at

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Speaker 1: Emily at hurdle dot us. Connect with the podcast on

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Speaker 2: Where can they find you? How do they keep up

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Speaker 2: with you?

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Speaker 3: I'm on Instagram at Chaninigan's and I've also got.

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Speaker 2: A Facebook page. I love that. Can you spell that

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Speaker 2: for me? It's s H E N E E N

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Speaker 2: A G I N S. I'm so glad you did that.

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Speaker 1: I am at Emily Abadi. Another hurdle concord. Catch you

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Speaker 1: guys next time.