1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: I'm Hannah Elliott and I'm Matt Miller. 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 3: This is Hot Pursuit. Coming up on today's podcast, we'll 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 3: talk Rivian. The ev maker has hit a few snags lately, 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 3: including announcing some job cuts. But I finally got the 6 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 3: chance to drive the R one s. I'm like the 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 3: last person on the planet to drive this big, expensive, 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 3: beautiful electric suv. That's all on the way on Hot Pursuit. 9 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 3: But first, Hannah, you just got back from Munich and 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 3: you are here with me in New York City. 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: Yes, live and living color. It's the best way. It's 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: so good to be here. 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 3: I missed you. It's been too like. I'm really glad 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: to see you. What was what? What was it like 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 3: at the last auto show? Left? 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: I think we can call the E A I A 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: the last Auto Show. It's really interesting. They do a 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: great job of sort of incorporating that whole show throughout 19 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: the city of Munich, so a lot of it is 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: accessible to the public. Each automaker creates these huge outdoor 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: stands with their new cars. BMW, Porschia, Mercedes. They all 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: have these big outdoor like exhibits that they set up, 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: and then there's also a conference center part where journalists 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: like me go in and you know, do executive interviews. 25 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: So it's kind of it's good, it's it's nice. It's 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: also polarizing. There are scheduled protests of people who are 27 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: unhappy about European transport in general next week. And someone 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: made the comment look out for any flying tomatoes. 29 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: So wait, people are unhappy about transport, they just want 30 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: to stay in one spot at all times or what 31 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: I think. 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: It's more it's more about the idea that, you know, 33 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: where electric regulations are going in the EU specifically. You know, 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: that's a very polarizing thing, especially when. 35 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: Because they're being peeled back or because they want to 36 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: get away from ice engines. 37 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: Fast, because they want to get it. Actually they don't 38 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: like the fact that that evs are being pushed. 39 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: Oh I get it. 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah interesting, Yeah, this is like the other side exactly, 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: Like this is a mobility conference, not necessarily a car show, 42 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: so they're really trying to say, oh, this is you know, 43 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: it's all about the future of mobility, which actually means 44 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: within the conference center walls there are a lot of 45 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: vendors from China, like I saw all of these Chinese 46 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: brands I had never even heard of before, and there 47 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: are lots of suppliers. It's kind of like a Sema 48 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: in a way too. 49 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: I wish I could go to Sema. 50 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: I think you will one day. 51 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: I would love to go to me. That would be 52 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 3: the most exciting because I love the aftermarket stuff. I 53 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: love modding cars, I love you know, buying accessories. And 54 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 3: I guess that's it. 55 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: This is your spiritual home. 56 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: But back to Munich. Yeah, the releases I saw were 57 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: kind of ev releases. We talked about the GLC, the 58 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: new GLC with Ola Colonius. Last week we talked about 59 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: We've talked about the IX three, the BMW Noya Classa, 60 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 3: which is about as traditional and boring as you could 61 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: get for a vehicle launch. 62 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 4: Right. 63 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: Well, some people are calling it really edgy and forward thinking. 64 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: You know, please, it just. 65 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 3: Looks like an X three, except for like the electric version. 66 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: I think for the Germans they think, you know, there 67 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: was a lot of talk about the that the Noya 68 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: Classa in general being really an edgy, strong step forward, 69 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: and honestly, I'm with you, I don't see that at all. 70 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: These are like incremental changes at best. Even the GLC 71 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: it has a different grill kind of but it still 72 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: looks exactly like old one. 73 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 3: I get that under the skin they are important changes, 74 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: a lot more range, much faster charging, but the look 75 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: of those vehicles isn't going to rock anybody's world. And 76 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 3: now the Noia Clasa, like the original concept vehicle that 77 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: they put out, now that was edgy, and I initially 78 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 3: hated it as we discussed, and now I think it's 79 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: kind of giving me two thousand and two vibes, which 80 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: are cool, so I'm liking it more and more. But 81 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 3: those like consumer hatchback, like big station wagons, those aren't 82 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 3: Those aren't. 83 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: No, No, these are These are like completely ubiquitous in 84 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: especially in Europe. One piece of good news that Mercedes announces, 85 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: you know, the Mercedes volume control on the steering well house. 86 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: Traditionally it's been the roller knob that you let it 87 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: feels really nice under your thumb, and then they went 88 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: to like the haptic. 89 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: You just you just move your things, which nobody liked. 90 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: They announced for the GLC they're bringing back the rolling knob, 91 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: which is great. And it's a rare case of when 92 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: an automaker actually like pivots. Yeah, and goes backward by 93 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: special requests. 94 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 3: Thank goodness they do that. It's like cracker barrel, you know. 95 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: They listen. We didn't like the new logo. We said, no, 96 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: we don't want the redesigned stores. Even President Trump cares 97 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: about that. It's like top of his list of things. Anyway, 98 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 3: I liked the Mercedes volume control in theory, and I 99 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 3: liked the way it looked, but it just didn't work 100 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 3: very well. By the way, speaking of incremental changes, did 101 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: they also show the new nine to eleven turbo? 102 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: They did dot two. 103 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 3: It's got like two it's got like two electric turbochargers, right, 104 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 3: so it's got a little tiny battery. It's like a 105 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: GTS plus. 106 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. To me, honestly, it looks exactly the same. I 107 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: would be really hard pressed, and I don't. I wouldn't 108 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: even put any money down on being able to tell 109 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: the difference between the no way right nine one and 110 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: nine nine two or dot one dot two. 111 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 3: By the way, the thing that differentiates the turbos from 112 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 3: playing Jane nine to eleven is the big intakes in 113 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 3: the rear wheel wells right, and then the little. 114 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes but not necessarily, do they. 115 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: Not all have that big hole in the rear wheel well, 116 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 3: because I don't love that look, and I'm not sure 117 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: is it necessary. 118 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: This is wading into the whole turbo conversation where turbo 119 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: is a marketing badge. Now at Porsia, you know, turbo 120 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: is an actual like variant line. So every every Portionia 121 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: now Turbo nine to eleven has a turbo charger. They're 122 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: all so like the term turbo doesn't actually necessarily mean 123 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: anything mechanical. It's like a it's a marketing. 124 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: Right, And the Tykwon obviously has no. 125 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: Turbo exactly, and they're still calling they. 126 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: Called the top end. 127 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly. 128 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 3: It's super annoying. I wonder who at Porsia came up 129 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: with that idea. Who was like, there's not going to 130 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: be a turbo charger in any of these evs, but 131 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 3: we're going to call the best one a turbo, and 132 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: all of these ice cars are going to have turbo chargers, 133 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 3: but we're not going to call any of them turbo 134 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: except for the top one. 135 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: Some of them who was. 136 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: That was it. 137 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 4: Was? 138 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: It was it debt leg. 139 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: I would love it to know, I would you know, 140 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: they I would be so surprised. If we ever knew, 141 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: I don't know, someone in marketing, probably well. 142 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: I The thing is, I would love the turbo power 143 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: and the turbo ease, you know. And one time I 144 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: ran into Wolfgang Portia, either at the IA in Munich 145 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 3: years ago or at the or in Geneva, and I 146 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: asked him what his favorite nine to eleven was. And 147 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: I was so hopeful that he was going to say 148 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: something really cool, like the Steve McQueen, you know, but 149 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 3: he said, whatever, the newest turbo is, that's my favorite. 150 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: I was kind of bummed out about. 151 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: That, but I guess like a sales answer. 152 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: Well, but also it's like the most developed, most driver friendly, 153 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: you know, fastest, most powerful. The only thing I don't 154 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 3: like about it because I get I like the ease 155 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 3: and luxury of it. I don't like the the extra looks, 156 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: like the holes in the wheel well or the tail, 157 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 3: Like I just want to smooth nine to eleven. That's 158 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: kind of understated. 159 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: I kind of like the extra looks, you know, they 160 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: to me, they make the smoother one seem a little 161 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: bit boring and a little bit too flat somehow. 162 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: Well, by the way, didn't you guys drive yours to uh, 163 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: your like nine to nine one turbo to Monterey to 164 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 3: try and get more miles on it, and we got 165 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: two hundred thousand. 166 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: No, I think we're at one ninety seven and a 167 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: half or so. And in fact, next weekend we're going 168 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: to be driving that car to Denver from LA in 169 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: a day, specifically to add miles. It's my mom's seventieth birthday, 170 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: and so we're doing that drive number one so we 171 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: can bring the dog, but number two, so we get 172 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: miles on the nine to nine to one dot one. 173 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: You're bringing a nine to eleven turbo on a trip 174 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 3: Melley to Denver so that you can bring your German shepherd. 175 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, wouldn't use Yeah, this is very important. 176 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: I get it. Well, Happy birthday, missus Elliott. And uh, 177 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: I'm so proud of you guys for racking out the 178 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: miles on that vehicle. Coming up, we're gonna talk Rivian. 179 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 3: I'm Matt Miller for Hannah Elliott. This is Pursuit from 180 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:12,359 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Radio in New York City. Now let's talk about 181 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 3: the Rivian R one s and like I am the 182 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 3: last person on earth to drive this. A bunch of 183 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: guys in my neighborhood. A bunch of dads already have one, 184 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: and I know you've driven at least two of these. 185 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: Got a flat wheel in the truck version. 186 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: You got a flat yeah, I got a Well it 187 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: was on it was on an off road like driving course, yes, 188 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: with other people. It was with other people, yeah, it was. 189 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: It was in a rather controlled environment, and I did 190 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: halfway change it well myself. 191 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: You know what, I don't think I've changed a wheel, 192 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: Actually no, I did. I changed a wheel recently on 193 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: a giant like GMC yukon that had twenty fours. 194 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: I remember you. I think you told me about that. 195 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. 196 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: Forever that was not satisfying. 197 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you need a lot of leverage on that 198 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: crowbar to get I mean, what did you get used 199 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: to get the lug nuts? 200 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: It was easy. It took me like an hour, and 201 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 3: I felt like a total failure. But I remember years 202 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: ago I changed a wheel on a bug in Vienna 203 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: and I was two young ladies at the time. 204 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: A real man, I'm sure that that must have been 205 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: a high point. 206 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: All right, So this rivian like I have been wanting 207 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 3: to drive forever and haven't had the chance. But I 208 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: love the design so so so much. 209 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: Do you like the headlights. 210 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: I like the headlights, I like the shape I like 211 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 3: for me, the interior is also like extra Winter Class. 212 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: It reminds me of like a modern version of an 213 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: old Jeep Grand Wagon. Y. 214 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can totally see got the plaid carpets. 215 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 3: It doesn't have a front bench, but it's pretty open 216 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 3: up there. And so I basically drool over them every 217 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: time I see him on the road. I look at 218 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: them every follow them every time they're on BAT, or 219 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 3: search for them on auto Trader. They always are too 220 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: expensive for me to really consider getting, but now I've 221 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: driven one and I was pretty disappointed. Oh no, yeah, 222 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: what was it? 223 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: First? 224 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: The software is just not there. For example, satellite radio 225 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 3: is so great because it uses a network of satellites 226 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 3: and not the Internet. However, yes, in an effort to 227 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 3: save money, Rivian does not have a satellite receiver. They 228 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 3: use the Internet to give you streaming satellite radio. So 229 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: you know, I'm leaving for work one morning early and 230 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 3: I listened to Bloomberg Radio all the way in so 231 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 3: I can. 232 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: Get in in the zone. 233 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and it's like no Internet found and it 234 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 3: takes me like fifteen or twenty minutes. That distracting before 235 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: I finally get enough internet to listen to the radio. 236 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: No, that's terrible, that's not good. And that sets the 237 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: tone probably for the full experience of when you're in 238 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: the vehicle. Yeah, because you're kind of like annoyed that 239 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: it's eating just what you wanted. 240 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: It's just ghetto, you know, I mean for a nine 241 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 3: thousand dollars vehicle, which it ends up being if you 242 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: buy the good model and dress it up, that's not acceptable. 243 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 3: The other thing is, I don't know about previous versions, 244 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 3: but this two point zero comes with a key card. 245 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I'm not a fan of the no. 246 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: Key fob, just like a credit card sized thing. And 247 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 3: I thought at first that's cool because I'll just put 248 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: it in my wallet and on them and think about it. 249 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 3: That doesn't work. You can't have it in your wallet 250 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 3: or in your p It has to literally be on 251 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: the center cha sol Yeah, and that's just like why 252 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 3: at that point, why not have an actual key? 253 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 2: Right? 254 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: You know? 255 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: It goes into an ignition. 256 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 3: Well yeah, and then I realized later it also causes 257 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 3: problems when you're when you want to lock the car 258 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: there's no lock button. So even if you walk away, 259 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: or at least when I walked away with a key 260 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: in my pocket, it never locks. It's candles that happened 261 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 3: normally flask they stick out, they stick out. 262 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: That's not a good look. And it's an invitation for 263 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: other people to come and open the door. 264 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: It says this is not locked. And then so I 265 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 3: googled it try to figure it out. I guess if 266 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: you're an owner, you can order a keyfob for extra money. 267 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: What about an app? 268 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can do the app, and I imagine you 269 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: have to be an owner to do that. So as 270 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: a test driver, I wasn't able to do that, but 271 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: I guess you would if you owned a car. It 272 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: did say you could hold the key up on the 273 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 3: B pillar and that would lock the doors. 274 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: Yes, I remember doing that when I when I did the. 275 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: Drive, I couldn't make it work. 276 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: It really you had to like hold it just It's 277 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: one of those things where you have to hold it 278 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: just right and hold it there for a minute. It's 279 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: not intuitive, it's not easy. It's not quick. Yeah, and 280 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: also what happens when you're wearing gloves and you're fumbling 281 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: or it's cold out or you know, it's raining. It's 282 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: the last thing I want to do be standing there 283 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: with a little card trying to like lock or unlock that. 284 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 3: When you're introducing a new vehicle, you want to exceed expectations, 285 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: especially if it's you know, a ninety thousand dollars vehicle. 286 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just don't understand. 287 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 3: Why you would design and put out a new vehicle 288 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: that's not good. 289 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: I know, this is like why do a bad job? 290 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: I know, And philosophically, this is the problem that I've 291 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: always had with electric startup car companies, which is that 292 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: they seem to believe that because they're doing something brand 293 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: new that is quote unquote good for the environment, they 294 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: should get a pass on basic usability and basic practicality, 295 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: Like somehow we should overlook these annoyances and problems just 296 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: because we know, oh, well, we're virtuous now because we're 297 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: buying an electric feel that doesn't work amazing. 298 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: Like one of the good things they do is they 299 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 3: put a really nicely illustrated picture of the outside which 300 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: is cool. 301 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: Inside, yes, which is cool, and like that can be tailored. 302 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: Like I was speaking with the ribbing folks in Monterey 303 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: and they had a special like you know, Pebble Beach 304 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: version of their interior, which did look really cool, and they're, 305 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: you know, very proud that you can customize that drawing 306 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: to match your car. That's really cool, But that should 307 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: be like the icing on the cake, Like the rest 308 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: of the car has to actually be working. 309 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 3: And like intuitive, and so the turn signals, when you 310 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: try and cancel the turn signal, it just turns on 311 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: the opposite turn signal. 312 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, you know. 313 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 3: And it's got these little little screens like a Kia 314 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: or a Hyundai. When you're switching lanes, it shows you 315 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: what's next to you, which is great, but it's so 316 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: small and hard to see that it's useless. But just 317 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: so many places where I feel like they could improve, 318 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: and I wish they already had before they charged that 319 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: much money, because otherwise, why don't I buy an EV nine, 320 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: which is like. 321 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: We always go back to that, Yeah, we always go 322 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: back to the Kia EV nine or yeah, yeah, sorry, 323 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: that's right, yeah, like yeah, of course we're always going ionic. Yeah, 324 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: but it's both the I agree and for this what 325 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: is this ninety thousand dollars? Yeah, or so yeah, it's 326 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: too much. It has to be better. Where do you 327 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: think about how it drives? 328 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: It drives okay, but it just wasn't noting my socks off. 329 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 3: And if you put it, I figured a lot of 330 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 3: people don't like the way it drives because they probably 331 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 3: put it in sports mode, which lowers the suspension to 332 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: the second to last level. And then since you're there 333 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: and looking at it and seeing sport, you probably pushed 334 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: all the way down, of course, and then on you know, 335 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: normal American streets, which you know need a refresh. It's 336 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 3: a horrible experience. So what I ended up doing halfway 337 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 3: through my week with it is putting it on the 338 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: highest setting for driving, which improves you. 339 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: Know, d yes, it improves the ride. 340 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: Over exactly the Bronx or Parkway or the west Side Highway, 341 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 3: but it doesn't improve handling obviously, and it doesn't help 342 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 3: your range. So I don't care that much about those things. 343 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: And I'm driving a big truck. I like to be 344 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 3: high up, and it does that really well, but just 345 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 3: not something I'm willing to pay a lot of money for. 346 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I've seen a couple of 347 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: my neighbors who used to I have Tesla's around the neighborhood. 348 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: They have now switched to Rivian's. And I think that 349 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: is because of sort of the politics around Elon Musk, 350 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: so Rivian has emerged as maybe like a viable alternative 351 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: to people who don't want to be seen to be 352 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: supporting Elon. 353 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 3: I'm Matt Miller along with Hannah Elliott. You're listening to 354 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 3: Hot Pursuit. 355 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 4: We have more coming up after this. 356 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: This brings me to what I am most excited about, 357 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 3: and that is the Scout. Have you spent any time 358 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: looking at the Scout? 359 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: No? 360 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 3: So the Scout for me, it checks so many boxes. 361 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 3: The problem is it's so far off that we don't 362 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 3: know what it's really going to be like. But it 363 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 3: is an actual body on frame truck, so it will 364 00:17:54,840 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 3: have the rugged usability of like a tahoe or an expedition, right, 365 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 3: And it looks big. It's going to be bigger than 366 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 3: the Rivian, which I like. Some people will think that's 367 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 3: too big. 368 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: It's pretty big because the Rivian itself is a seven 369 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: passenger vehicle. 370 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 3: Right, But I mean those seven passengers are sitting pretty. 371 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: Cool as a kid, so their children hopefully. 372 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 3: It's I hope there's a little bit more interior room. 373 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 3: I love the design of the Scout. It looks really 374 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 3: cool and I've spent because I'm in the Ribban, I 375 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 3: spent a lot of time looking at the Scout on 376 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 3: the website. And it can have a range extender. So 377 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 3: they're promising now at least three hundred and fifty miles 378 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 3: of range, which is can be good by the time 379 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 3: it comes out. I hope it's even more. And you 380 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 3: can buy a little motor. You can option a little 381 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 3: motor in there that's an e Rev so it doesn't 382 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 3: drive the vehicle, but it charges the battery and they 383 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 3: say that will lift the range to five hundred miles 384 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 3: in total. So it's a truck, it's an suv. It 385 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 3: has fully decent to massive range and it looks imposing 386 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: and can hold a lot of child. 387 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: Yes, and we should say that this is the American 388 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: automotive startup that was founded in twenty twenty two but 389 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: is now backed by Volkswagen, so it's got some serious backing. 390 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: It might actually happen well. 391 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: And it's tied closely to Rivian, right because Volkswagen owns 392 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 3: a significant steak in Rivian and they've said that they're 393 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: going to use Rivian technology on the scout, So if 394 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 3: you like some Rivian technology, which by the way, is 395 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: also sorely lacking right because they have a four hundred 396 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 3: volt architecture, it's like using a really thin hose to 397 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: try and squirt a lot of water through. But this 398 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 3: scout will be eight hundred volt architecture, so it'll charge 399 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 3: much faster than the Rivian. 400 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: And that's what VW's using throughout Basically all of their 401 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: platforms are trying to get throughout the company. I mean 402 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: it does look it actually looks cool. 403 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it. I'm pretty excited. They'll offer it. Obviously, 404 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 3: a truck and an suv version. For me, I've found 405 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 3: recently that pickup truck doesn't offer that much utility. The 406 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: most I'm doing is towing like a motorcycle on a boat, 407 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 3: So I'm not putting anything in the bed. I just 408 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 3: want Now, this is one of the problems. I do 409 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: want three rows. 410 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: And I think for your kids exactly. 411 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, for my kids, for my mom, for the dogs 412 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 3: if I forget some. So they don't yet have a 413 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 3: three row version, but I can't imagine they don't try 414 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 3: and cash in on a like suburban competitor. 415 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: I was just going to you know what, this is 416 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: making me think of, how's the Escalade doing the Escalade 417 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: EV love. 418 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 3: Well, No, the Escalade EV is way too expensive. It's 419 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 3: like one hundred and fifty. 420 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: Grand it is. But we liked it, right, I mean, 421 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: I love the look of it. 422 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: It has obviously a lot of room. I felt this 423 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 3: is the first time that I really felt a vehicle 424 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 3: was too heavy. 425 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember that, which I was like, wow, 426 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: this really maybe years amazing. 427 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 3: They'll have another go like the Escalator and the Hummer 428 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: I love because of the range. They're so huge and imposing. 429 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 3: They're just rolling houses. Yeah, but the price of the 430 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 3: Escalade IQ leaves me out. Even an Escalade ESV like 431 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 3: with a gas powered engine. 432 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: Well, you don't play in the NBA. 433 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: I mean exactly, it's if you did, it's not the 434 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 3: right look. 435 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not. 436 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 3: I think if they don't have an EV version, I'm 437 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 3: just gonna go with a suburban, like a Chevy suburban. Yeah, 438 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 3: they still end up being pretty expensive once you put 439 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 3: the six point two liter V eight. But I'll have 440 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 3: to have that because I wouldn't be able to live 441 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 3: with myself and the smaller displacement just to save a 442 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 3: few grand. But yeah, I feel like there's there's no 443 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 3: real competitor. I am going to drive the Ford Expedition. 444 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 3: Oh what do they call the big version? The King Ranch? 445 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: The King Ranch? 446 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: The King Ranch and the Platinum and the and the 447 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 3: Basic all come in an extra like a Mega version, 448 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: and they call it like the Expedition Mega. But I can't. 449 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: Oh, you know what, that's so funny you mentioned that 450 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: because I'm doing a big assignment on Texas in October 451 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: and I'm going to take a huge road trip and 452 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to have a big Expedition King Ranch for 453 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: the road trip. So this might work out very well 454 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: for us, because I'll have some thoughts. 455 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 3: I'm sure, are you going to actually go to the 456 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 3: King Ranch because there is a ride? 457 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: Don't? Maybe I should? That'd be a great idea. 458 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 3: Actually, Okay, so I just loicked up the long version 459 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: of the Expedition is called the Max. 460 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna try it out. 461 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: I've been super impressed lately with Ford and Lincoln vehicles, 462 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: especially the interior and the sort of luxury of them. 463 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 3: But again, this is gonna have just a three and 464 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 3: a half liter V six and they haven't made any 465 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 3: noise about putting out a bigger motor and there's no 466 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 3: hybrid version. Like I feel like, if we're gonna live 467 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 3: in the Trump era and we're gonna deregulate everything and 468 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 3: cancel laws and stuff, why doesn't Ford put a six 469 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: point two liter V eight back in their trucks and 470 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 3: their SUVs. Like standards are getting thrown out, nobody needs 471 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 3: to buy evy credits anymore, like they're saving car. There 472 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 3: was a story David Welch and Keith Notton put out 473 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 3: a story last week that Ford has saved one and 474 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: a half billion dollars by no longer buying those carbon credits. 475 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, you might as well with the big engine. 476 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would definitely sell you. I mean you're not 477 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: alone met all. 478 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 3: Right, that's it for this week. What have you got 479 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 3: coming up? 480 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: There are a couple cool car things happening in LA 481 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 1: this weekend. There's a show in Long Beach. My friends 482 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: from Texas actually that do the handbuilt show. It's a 483 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: big motorcycle show. They're doing a similar one in Long 484 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: Beach this weekend. So I may find myself there and 485 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: then yeah, like I said, next week, at the end 486 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: of the week, driving to Denver. 487 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 3: Very very cool. 488 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you. 489 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 3: I'm actually gonna drive the new Ducati xdavel S. 490 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: What does that mean. 491 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: It's Dukatti's big muscle bike, but it's a feat forward cruiser, 492 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 3: so no rear sets on this. I'm pretty excited about that. 493 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 3: I actually owned an xdovel and like two or three 494 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 3: regular Dovels in the past, so I'm pumped about that. Plus, 495 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 3: speaking of car shows, my buddy Philip is having his 496 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 3: Turtle Invitational. Oh cool in Bedford at the end of 497 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 3: the night. I'm gonna go and I may even speak 498 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 3: on a panel. 499 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: Oh good, okay, great. 500 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 3: Moved by the brass here at work. So yeah, there's 501 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: a lot of u And like I said, I'm gonna 502 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 3: drive that Expedition Max and see if it'll be big 503 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: enough for my family. 504 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: Let's find out. So that does it for this week's show. 505 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: Remember to follow and subscribe to Hot Pursuit on apples, Spotify, 506 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you listen. You can also send us 507 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: your comments. 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