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Speaker 3: you think when he was with the Giants, could he
Speaker 3: call ahead and say he was running ten minutes late
Speaker 3: and Howard Parcels react to that?
Speaker 4: Beyond time?
Speaker 5: Minds me of the summer that Keishawn Johnson was with
Speaker 5: the Cowboys for the first time, and he had gone
Speaker 5: to Santa Barbara to see his daughter in a Michael
Speaker 5: Jordan basketball camp Sunday. Uh huh, Well, he didn't realize
Speaker 5: that on Sunday the traffic on the Pacific Coast Highway
Speaker 5: is backed up going back towards LA and he was
Speaker 5: in a traffic gym, and he knew he was going
Speaker 5: to be late for the team meeting at six o'clock.
Speaker 5: He called Bill and he goes, got no shot to
Speaker 5: get in their coach, he goes, whatever the fine is,
Speaker 5: let me know, Well, we don't find people, No, we don't.
Speaker 3: We don't, so but we await the arrival of That's right,
Speaker 3: Well he will make a grand entrance here shortly. Cowboys
Speaker 3: have a later schedule than what we are accustomed to
Speaker 3: on Wednesdays, and I assume that's because of the Sunday
Speaker 3: night game. It's given him a little extra time.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think Mike made reference to trying to keep
Speaker 5: get the guys off their feet as much as they
Speaker 5: can because of the later rival. I mean, I didn't
Speaker 5: put my head down on a pill and I didn't
Speaker 5: play in the game till five o'clock in the morning
Speaker 5: on Monday.
Speaker 3: So that does not count as a full day of
Speaker 3: rest for the team.
Speaker 5: Not really, because I'm sure they had sick call and
Speaker 5: then they had a meeting and Tuesday was the day off.
Speaker 5: But I think he's just kind of trying.
Speaker 3: To basically, instead of a three twenty five kickoff, it
Speaker 3: was a it was four hours later, So you just
Speaker 3: pushed the schedule back on Wednesday four hours basically, yeah,
Speaker 3: what it amounts.
Speaker 5: To get them off their feet, let them cooperate, cooperate, Okay, recuperate.
Speaker 3: So the Mike McCarthy press conference coming up later this afternoon,
Speaker 3: our availability with the players later this afternoon, and as
Speaker 3: they get set to uh face these New York Jets,
Speaker 3: and it will be interesting to see what the Jets
Speaker 3: have as they we know they won't have Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 3: when they come here on a Sunday afternoon. But I'd
Speaker 3: like to get into it a little bit after Everson
Speaker 3: gets here just how equipped this Jets team is to
Speaker 3: win games without Aaron Rodgers at a quarterback. But first off,
Speaker 3: let's just get.
Speaker 5: They already won a game, and they did.
Speaker 3: I mean there was proof positive right there against a
Speaker 3: team that some people meaning me picked to be in
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl this year. Oh no, one person meaning
Speaker 3: me picked Josh Allen to be the MVP of the league.
Speaker 3: Didn't get off to a straight start.
Speaker 5: I wanted to tell you this so because of the
Speaker 5: way the Jets won the game. Yes, Xavier Gibson with
Speaker 5: the punt return sixty four yards in overtime for the
Speaker 5: touchdown and finding out he was a local, local guy yep,
Speaker 5: motivated me last night to go watch the last three
Speaker 5: episodes of Hard Knocks. Okay, I wanted to see if
Speaker 5: he was kind of part of it at any point.
Speaker 3: Yes, he was, well, he was.
Speaker 5: I was surprised somewhat, but it was a storyline, undrafted
Speaker 5: rookie wide receiver. He and the other guy's name was
Speaker 5: it was it Brownlee?
Speaker 3: Jason Brownlee.
Speaker 5: Yes, so they were kind of buds. They kind of
Speaker 5: hung out together because they were both in the same boat.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what my daughter did. As soon as
Speaker 3: he returned the punt for a touchdown, she texted me
Speaker 3: and it was OMG, oh my god, that's Gibson. I
Speaker 3: loved him on Hard Knocks.
Speaker 5: Right, see, So I went and watched it. So it
Speaker 5: got to the last episode where they were showing the cuts, right,
Speaker 5: So Brownlee gets called in first, and they kind of
Speaker 5: screwed with them and then finally told them, okay, you
Speaker 5: made the team. Well here comes Gibson. He goes in.
Speaker 5: He's with Joe Douglas and Robert Salah, the head coach
Speaker 5: the GM, and they started going on and on he goes, hey, man,
Speaker 5: you did everything. I understand how you got here. You
Speaker 5: weren't drafted, it was a long shot. You gave us
Speaker 5: the best effort. He goes, but this is a business
Speaker 5: and we got only fifty three guys to make it.
Speaker 5: And you can see the kid dying on the couch right,
Speaker 5: and they're just they're just killing them. And and he goes,
Speaker 5: and you know, we only can keep fifty three guys,
Speaker 5: and you're one of them.
Speaker 3: You're a New York Jet.
Speaker 5: And I thought he was just gonna pass out. And
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 3: It was. He had he said it was the longest
Speaker 3: twenty minute drive ever. It is right because he had
Speaker 3: they told him come come to the office. Yeah, twenty
Speaker 3: minute drive away.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 5: It was really good. And and you had to love
Speaker 5: the kid right, just the way he acted, just the
Speaker 5: way he interacted with the team during during that whole deal.
Speaker 5: And I didn't realize that, you know, somebody knew about
Speaker 5: him prior to the punt return.
Speaker 3: And he you know, he really did a lot in
Speaker 3: four years at Stephen F.
Speaker 2: Austin.
Speaker 3: He was a In fact, he was recruited as a cornerback.
Speaker 3: He played cornerback in high school at Woodrow Wilson and
Speaker 3: probably playing offense as well. Uh I actually called his
Speaker 3: high school coach, Bobby Estes, who's now at Thomas Jefferson.
Speaker 3: By the way, the Cowboys did a great thing yesterday.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of the rookies. Charles Haley was there,
Speaker 3: Charlotte Jones was there. They dedicated a new football field
Speaker 3: at Thomas Jefferson was their school and the facilities ruined
Speaker 3: back by the tornado which happened during that Sunday night
Speaker 3: Cowboys game a few years ago. And uh so they
Speaker 3: were out there yesterday, had the field dedication. But I
Speaker 3: talked to his old high school coach, and you know
Speaker 3: they have they have morning practices, and uh so, he
Speaker 3: said he went to bed at halftime of the game.
Speaker 3: But two sons who played with Zay Gibson at Woodrow Wilson,
Speaker 3: and so he got a call from one of them
Speaker 3: at ten to fifteen Monday night, waking him up saying, Dad, Dad,
Speaker 3: did you see Zay. His other son calls about ten
Speaker 3: minutes later, wakes him up again, just falling back asleep.
Speaker 3: Hey Dad, Dad, did you see Zay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm aware of it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Anyway, his phone was ringing off the.
Speaker 6: Pretty pretty good story and speaking of undrafted free agents
Speaker 6: who arrived early in his NFL career despite being an
Speaker 6: undrafted free agent.
Speaker 3: Everson Wallas is here.
Speaker 2: We're talking about way too much fun without me.
Speaker 3: We're talking about Xavier Gibson, the pride of Woodrow Wilson.
Speaker 7: High School with the playing golf with someone that went
Speaker 7: to his high school from Charles Hayton.
Speaker 2: Just a peon, just a guy. Well he was on
Speaker 2: my golf team.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and he went to Woodrow Wilson who had the
Speaker 7: Charles Haley golf tournament at the Cowboys Court today.
Speaker 5: And so did we ask you this how you found
Speaker 5: out you made the team? We were just telling the
Speaker 5: story he found out because they played him on hard nun.
Speaker 3: The GM and the head coach they.
Speaker 5: You're an undrafted creag.
Speaker 2: No, we we knew uh when we came.
Speaker 7: They just said, you know, no one came to the
Speaker 7: room at all to say I made the team. Once
Speaker 7: we went to the meeting, then Tom Landry was there
Speaker 7: and he said, this is what we're going with and
Speaker 7: that was it.
Speaker 2: That's how I knew.
Speaker 5: Like because you were in the meeting, that meant you
Speaker 5: made it.
Speaker 3: You made because you didn't get called into another meeting,
Speaker 3: called out.
Speaker 5: So when you said they didn't come to the room,
Speaker 5: did they do this in training camp or.
Speaker 2: I remember the twin sixties.
Speaker 5: Oh, you were staying in the hotel.
Speaker 7: Twin sixties hotel. They put us all up there. And
Speaker 7: I remember when we came to the meeting. We knew
Speaker 7: how many dbs were gonna make the team because we
Speaker 7: were all counting stuff. And we walked into the room
Speaker 7: and there was the same amount of dbs as it
Speaker 7: was before the last preseason game. And so we're like, hey,
Speaker 7: something's going on. There's too many people, too many DB's,
Speaker 7: And by the time the meeting was over, there was
Speaker 7: one less dB. But we didn't know it until the
Speaker 7: meeting was over. They had come and tapped Aaron Mitchell
Speaker 7: on his shoulder and told him, you're going to Tampa.
Speaker 7: And that's how we found out. So traded what we're going.
Speaker 5: So they traded to make room for you and.
Speaker 7: Make me and downs, and I remember, as a matter
Speaker 7: of fact, Tom didn't say anything. It was when we
Speaker 7: broke off into our own section, our own you know,
Speaker 7: dB section, that that's when Gene Starling said, this is
Speaker 7: what we're going with. Tom Landry never said hey, congratulations,
Speaker 7: You guys got this confused with normalcy.
Speaker 2: This was not how we did it back in the day.
Speaker 7: It was as crude as ever, always crude. There was
Speaker 7: nothing de about anything. They didn't say anything until we
Speaker 7: sat in the dB meeting room at that time and
Speaker 7: we looked around and Mitch was gone, Aaron Mitchell was gone,
Speaker 7: and that's how we knew. Tom Jeane started said, okay, guys,
Speaker 7: this is what we're going with.
Speaker 3: They didn't have cameras in the room.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they didn't have to play or anything, you know.
Speaker 2: Very unceremonial.
Speaker 5: That's what I can s ever, good job, you played hard,
Speaker 5: but we only have this many spots. Nope, and you
Speaker 5: made it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, none of that, none of the congratulations, none of that.
Speaker 7: It was almost as if Jane Starling was pissed that
Speaker 7: this is what he was left with. You had two
Speaker 7: undrefted free agents and me and Michael Downs. You had
Speaker 7: uh Ron Fellows it was a seventh round draft pick,
Speaker 7: like seventh A. And then you had Dennisterrman. So come on,
Speaker 7: would you be happy with that group? Not knowing what
Speaker 7: the heck was going on?
Speaker 2: Jane was like, I am freaking cursed here.
Speaker 7: And the way he came to us was like, Okay,
Speaker 7: this is what we're going with. You guys are going
Speaker 7: to work hard and I'm gonna make sure you got Okay, Jeane.
Speaker 2: Thank you for congratulating us. It's almost like he.
Speaker 5: Was upset there was no parade down there.
Speaker 7: He seemed a little disappointed that this is what he
Speaker 7: had to work, very disappointed.
Speaker 3: All right, before we kicked things off with the Jets.
Speaker 3: Gilbrent memorial service was yesterday after afternoon and there was
Speaker 3: a whole lot of former cowboys that were in attendance,
Speaker 3: a lot of gold jackets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they said, well those gold jackets, they did they did?
Speaker 5: They told them to, Well they listened because by my list,
Speaker 5: Troy was there, Cliff Harris, Bob Lily, Drew Pears Pearson,
Speaker 5: Roger Roger was there, Mel was there there, and Scott
Speaker 5: Holly was standing in for Chuck Holly. And I think
Speaker 5: that was where the one size that had gold jackets
Speaker 5: that had gold jackets on there was like eight of them.
Speaker 5: I think I don't know how many I just said,
Speaker 5: but yeah, it was a pretty impressive group and a
Speaker 5: lot of the other former players showed up too. Timmy
Speaker 5: Newsom was there, Preston Pearson, of course, John Fitzgerald DJ
Speaker 5: was there, Chad Hennings and Chad Hennings. That's how he.
Speaker 5: Gil was the one that drafted him when he still
Speaker 5: had to do Air Force service. I think they drafted
Speaker 5: him late, maybe in the eighty eight draft, twelfth tenth,
Speaker 5: twelfth round, something like that, and then he actually got
Speaker 5: released early and I think he made it there in
Speaker 5: ninety two, maybe ninety one, ninety two. So yeah, there
Speaker 5: was a it was it was nice. It was nice
Speaker 5: and I didn't see.
Speaker 2: Him, but some reason he popped in my hand.
Speaker 5: I was like, well, because see us came after Gil
Speaker 5: was there. I had to leave because I had to
Speaker 5: do TV at three o'clock. I never drove so fast
Speaker 5: my life to get back here with one minute to
Speaker 5: spare right to get back. And it was like you
Speaker 5: but yeah, it was good and and and and you
Speaker 5: know the I think it was the minister at the
Speaker 5: end talking about how we all, you know, hope that
Speaker 5: we make an impact on this world while we're here,
Speaker 5: and talked about the impact that Gil made in so
Speaker 5: many different ways, not what just what the cowboys, but
Speaker 5: with the National Football League and some of the charities
Speaker 5: he worked at. I wish I could have gone to
Speaker 5: h They had a reception at Dallas Country Club afterwards.
Speaker 5: I couldn't make it there. John Wooton was there. By
Speaker 5: the way, John's getting old. He's in his eighties. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: but he's still getting around.
Speaker 2: So spirit Spirit.
Speaker 5: And and and Drew gave a eulogy, and he was
Speaker 5: talking about how Gil would go places where no one
Speaker 5: else would go to find players and he goes in
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of us were overlooked, and he roses,
Speaker 5: he raised his hand and he goes hello, Cliff, just
Speaker 5: like that. So it was it was really nice, so
Speaker 5: nice thing that Jones family was in there in entirety.
Speaker 5: So it was a nice, nice service.
Speaker 3: How about the bond that players have after their careers,
Speaker 3: We were just talking about it. Gary Myers has a
Speaker 3: book out on the New York Giants. Once a Giant
Speaker 3: is the title of the book, and he's talking about
Speaker 3: how the Giants players have. You know that they have
Speaker 3: their own fraternity from the Super Bowl teams that they
Speaker 3: had and so forth. It really is unique. Uh, you
Speaker 3: don't find any I can't think of other professions where
Speaker 3: you get a group that works together and there they
Speaker 3: have the opportunity to get together on down the road
Speaker 3: in life.
Speaker 7: I know I only worked with the Giants for a
Speaker 7: few years, but yeah, they considered me part of that
Speaker 7: that clan.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 7: But I must admit I think the Cowboys might have
Speaker 7: the closest alumni group.
Speaker 3: Part of it has to do I think that people, yeah,
Speaker 3: living here right by the way.
Speaker 2: I just the city itself.
Speaker 5: I missed one of the gold Jackson, Tony Dorset and
Speaker 5: looking good. Yeah, he's had a nice recovery from where
Speaker 5: he was white. I didn't see Randy.
Speaker 2: Randy.
Speaker 7: Randy's trying to do better. He's he's been doing better
Speaker 7: by himself. And and when you see him, you're happy.
Speaker 5: And the one person I wanted to say hi, I do.
Speaker 5: And I didn't get a chance to Jerry Mote motor
Speaker 5: work in the PR department. She was there. She's still
Speaker 5: motoring along.
Speaker 2: Ja man, that's the name.
Speaker 5: She was an old timer still is. I should say, all.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, we got much to get to on the
Speaker 3: Jets and the Cowboys. Later schedule for the Cowboys today,
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Speaker 3: All right, and Cowboys and Jets three twenty five kickoff
Speaker 3: on Sunday game will be on CBS. Jim Nantz and
Speaker 3: Tony Romo will be on the call. And you know,
Speaker 3: looking at this Jets team coming off the victory, it
Speaker 3: was interesting driving in this morning listening to people talk
Speaker 3: about the Jets and what are they going to do
Speaker 3: at quarterback now?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: What in the world are they going to do at quarterback?
Speaker 3: Who's out there that the Jets.
Speaker 2: Can sign Tom Brady And that one has.
Speaker 3: Been mixed, I think by Tom Brady himself now. And
Speaker 3: it's like it's crazy talk because even if there was
Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame quarterback that was out of work
Speaker 3: right now willing to come, he's not going to be
Speaker 3: able to step in right now and do better than
Speaker 3: the one who's been in camp and with them for
Speaker 3: the last year.
Speaker 7: It's like they don't realize that Tom didn't just when
Speaker 7: Brady came to Tampa. He didn't just come in like
Speaker 7: after the season started. He prepped with the team all
Speaker 7: off season, He learned the system, you know, he was
Speaker 7: ingrained in and all of a sudden, now he's ready
Speaker 7: to play. But it wasn't You can't just come just
Speaker 7: plug someone in.
Speaker 5: I say, where Fitzmagic is doing commercials?
Speaker 3: And you know, so, I mean even the talk Chad
Speaker 3: Henney who retired and he was backing up the homes
Speaker 3: in Kansas City most recently. But you look up and
Speaker 3: what they they link it to. Okay, Nathaniel Hacket's the
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, and so who does he have a history with. Well,
Speaker 3: he was in Jacksonville when Henny was in was a
Speaker 3: backup in Jacksonville. And last time Chad Henney started a
Speaker 3: game in the National Football League was it was twenty fourteen.
Speaker 3: Oh twenty fourteen. It's been nine years since he started
Speaker 3: a game. And okay, yeah, this guy's gonna do better.
Speaker 3: There are a whole bunch of people in that Jets
Speaker 3: front office, coaching staff, you name it, who thought enough
Speaker 3: about Zach Wilson that they made him the second pick
Speaker 3: in the draft. Yeah, I mean they've hitched their wagon
Speaker 3: to Zach Wilson.
Speaker 5: I saw somebody got a hold of Bill Parcells to
Speaker 5: ask him about the deal with the Jets, and he goes, hey,
Speaker 5: they don't cancel the season. You know, things happen. Don't
Speaker 5: care who you are, no excuses, And he goes in
Speaker 5: in three weeks, he goes. You know, if they lose
Speaker 5: a game, they're going to be talking about the cornerback
Speaker 5: that missed the coverage or the wide receiver that dropped
Speaker 5: the ball. They're going to forget who's playing quarterback. Right,
Speaker 5: It's like injuries, right, you talk about injuries all week,
Speaker 5: and then the team gets beaten. It's like, well, what
Speaker 5: the hell happened? Well, we're missing three starters.
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to hear that. No, no, no.
Speaker 3: You know, to your point on Tom Brady, of course,
Speaker 3: when he went to Tampa Bay, that was the COVID year.
Speaker 3: COVID hit in March of that year, and there was
Speaker 3: all the video that Tom Brady got his receivers out
Speaker 3: on football fields, practice fields in high schools in the
Speaker 3: Tampa area or wherever to get him ready, get acclimated
Speaker 3: to his new receiving corp and everything. Probably gave him
Speaker 3: a huge advantage over other teams in the league. They
Speaker 3: were doing it more than anyone else was during that year.
Speaker 5: Well, if you think about it, they were getting after him.
Speaker 5: It was like illegal gathering. It's like you weren't supposed
Speaker 5: to be out in public in a group, right, and
Speaker 5: they were gonna I don't know, well the NFL were
Speaker 5: going to find him, but the city was worried about.
Speaker 3: But the point is just show up and oh yeah,
Speaker 3: this guy's going to do better than someone who's already
Speaker 3: been there for uh some length of time. So and
Speaker 3: you know, you think about it. All the Jets have
Speaker 3: to do and for that matter, I think the Cowboys
Speaker 3: can look at it the same way. Is when you
Speaker 3: build a football team good enough to where you can
Speaker 3: lose your starting quarterback and still come close to reaching
Speaker 3: your ultimate goals. The San Francisco forty nine ers are
Speaker 3: a great example of that last year. I mean when
Speaker 3: they lose Jimmy g Well, they first they lost Trey
Speaker 3: Lance to begin the season, and then two games in,
Speaker 3: Garoppolo goes down and it's the last pick in the draft,
Speaker 3: Brock Purty, mister irrelevant, who's able to win football games
Speaker 3: for them? And then you look before the Cowboys played
Speaker 3: on Sunday night, the most impressive team that took the
Speaker 3: field on Sunday forty nine ers, and and what Brock
Speaker 3: he was doing at quarterback. But it was as the
Speaker 3: old as the old coach Barcels. I mean, if you're
Speaker 3: a bus driver the game manager. I mean, but he
Speaker 3: he looked very impressive, that's right.
Speaker 2: But when you've built your.
Speaker 3: Team well enough where you can run the football, you
Speaker 3: can do you have a very strong defense. That's what
Speaker 3: the Cowboys have done here as well. Rush So Robert
Speaker 3: Sally was in San Francisco. All he has to do
Speaker 3: is look at that blueprint of what they've done in
Speaker 3: San Francisco and tell Zach Wilson that's what you need
Speaker 3: to be. You just need to be rock party last
Speaker 3: year and.
Speaker 5: San Francisco did fine until they lost all of them.
Speaker 2: Right exactly.
Speaker 3: Any guy that just showed up, and that's what that's
Speaker 3: what happened. When someone just shows up, you can't function
Speaker 3: at all. But really, I mean, I think the Cowboys
Speaker 3: can can learn from that too. Dak can learn from that.
Speaker 3: You know that he's got a good enough team around
Speaker 3: him that you don't have to make that extra throw.
Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure that's what they talked about the entire
Speaker 7: off season. That's what the change in the offensive plan was.
Speaker 7: And you saw it in the game this past Sunday night.
Speaker 7: He didn't try too much. You know, he saw whether
Speaker 7: the game was headed. He saw that there was a
Speaker 7: shutout going his defensive playing, well.
Speaker 2: Don't force anything. Be like Eli.
Speaker 7: Remember Eli used to just throw the ball in the
Speaker 7: ground and it didn't look pretty at all. But what
Speaker 7: did look pretty was the fact that he saved you
Speaker 7: from it getting a sack. And in the next play
Speaker 7: he throws a dime down the field.
Speaker 5: That's what you want, and you just put it on
Speaker 5: the shoulders of everybody else. Right, it's like, hey, you
Speaker 5: got something to do with this. We can't sit here
Speaker 5: and just you know, drop our heads and like, oh
Speaker 5: woe's me. No, you got to go.
Speaker 7: And whether we like to admit it or not, those
Speaker 7: quarterbacks out there, the Brady's, the Rogers and all that,
Speaker 7: they've had help.
Speaker 2: They've had very good help. Yeah, they didn't do it
Speaker 2: by themselves.
Speaker 7: When it's all said and done, you want to say
Speaker 7: this quarterback did this, or this quarterback did that. But
Speaker 7: the truth is, if you look at the entirety of
Speaker 7: the film, it was done by the entire team.
Speaker 5: And not to say this is going to happen all
Speaker 5: season long, but Kansas City the first game, right, everybody, well, quarterback,
Speaker 5: you know we got guys missing. Put it on your back.
Speaker 3: Is Patrick one of the greatest examples of a recent,
Speaker 3: fairly recent Super Bowl winning team that had one of
Speaker 3: the greatest quarterbacks.
Speaker 5: Of all time.
Speaker 3: And did he put pedestrian numbers up? Not even pedestrian
Speaker 3: numbers up in some games. It was Peyton Manning with
Speaker 3: the Broncos. I mean his his stats from that season
Speaker 3: were horrendous.
Speaker 2: Well, then you had Von Miller, right, I keep to leave.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the hell of a defensive team on the other side,
Speaker 7: and why not let them, know, ride their backs every
Speaker 7: once in a.
Speaker 5: Whe win a Super Bowl without your starting quarterback.
Speaker 7: Oh, we won without the starting quarterback and running back.
Speaker 7: We lost Rodney Hampton early in the season and that's
Speaker 7: why OJ forgot about.
Speaker 5: That's why O. J.
Speaker 7: Anderson ended up getting the MVP because we had nobody else.
Speaker 5: And Phil Simms was on the way.
Speaker 7: He had the Achilles went down against Buffalo in New
Speaker 7: Jersey and after that we struggled three and three, but
Speaker 7: we knew where we were going that that was a
Speaker 7: good deal.
Speaker 3: Seems like there's another team about that. Twenty sixteen, there
Speaker 3: was a yeah quarterback that went down and started his
Speaker 3: broadcasting career, and Dak Prescott did what he did that actually.
Speaker 5: Parcells pointed out that on the same day in ninety nine,
Speaker 5: Finny Testaversity Vista Verdi tore his achilles the same day,
Speaker 5: nine to eleven in Giant Stadium, and he went to
Speaker 5: forgot the next quarterback he went to, and then he
Speaker 5: went to Luke Lucas.
Speaker 2: Was that the.
Speaker 5: Not Robert Luke? I forgot his first name? Anyway, they
Speaker 5: finished eight to eight, almost made the playoffs. So his
Speaker 5: point was, no one wants to hear this.
Speaker 7: No one's feeling sorry for you, right, they have no time,
Speaker 7: so whatever the locker room is feeling, and they should.
Speaker 7: If I'm the Jets, I'm feeling pretty good. I'm thinking
Speaker 7: I can win with Zach Wilson. My defense is ready
Speaker 7: to go. Let's go defense on defense. That's what they're
Speaker 7: looking at, right, And they're gonna look at the running game.
Speaker 7: We're gonna they're gonna see what they did well against
Speaker 7: a very good Buffalo squad. So, yeah, this is gonna
Speaker 7: be a tough game. It's gonna be This is not
Speaker 7: gonna be one of those forty forty Burger ain't coming up.
Speaker 7: They needed another.
Speaker 5: They needed another episode of Hard Knocks, because here's the
Speaker 5: hard knocks right now.
Speaker 2: This is interesting right now? Yeah, And I mean.
Speaker 3: They proved it against one of the best teams in
Speaker 3: the league on Monday night, and there's no reason why
Speaker 3: they can't come in here and put up the same thing.
Speaker 3: Here's the deal. They have put a what they believe
Speaker 3: is a Super Bowl contending team together around Aaron Rodgers's
Speaker 3: That's what Zach Wilson has around him this year that
Speaker 3: he didn't have last year. Is they have actually built
Speaker 3: this team to win now that they they they're farther
Speaker 3: along in their development by signing Dalvin Cook and they
Speaker 3: got brace Hall back, they got a run game that
Speaker 3: they can rely on.
Speaker 5: They ran for one hundred and seventy two yards. Yes,
Speaker 5: one hundred and seventy two. Now, I know eighty three
Speaker 5: was one run, but.
Speaker 2: Even if you take that out, you're looking at a
Speaker 2: very solid running again.
Speaker 5: When he took off from where he did and you
Speaker 5: saw him running, did you think of Dorset going ninety nine?
Speaker 5: Because I did. Oh my god, this is the second coming.
Speaker 3: All right, I've got a question I want to throw
Speaker 3: out for you too and give them we come back
Speaker 3: about it time to think about it. I was asked
Speaker 3: the question today, and that is who is the second
Speaker 3: best player on this Dallas defense? Oh, second best player
Speaker 3: on this Dallas defense? Answer when we come back here
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Speaker 3: All Right, you mentioned earlier about the Testaveriti Achilles injury
Speaker 3: and the season opener in nineteen ninety nine, and so
Speaker 3: I was just pulled up a story on that season
Speaker 3: for the Jets, and they actually they initial parcels initially
Speaker 3: went with Rick Myer, that's right, to replace Testa Verdie.
Speaker 5: I couldn't remember.
Speaker 3: And then it was Ray Lucas. Okay, And in December,
Speaker 3: December of that year, the Jets came in here to
Speaker 3: Texas Stadium and Ray Lucas led a fourth quarter comeback
Speaker 3: to beat the Cowboys twenty two to twenty one.
Speaker 5: As they were on their way to an eight and eighth.
Speaker 3: That's right, all right, and so and with the wind
Speaker 3: Lucas had a four and three record as the Jets
Speaker 3: starting quarterback, third highest passer rating in the AFC, and
Speaker 3: but this was what was funny, Parcels In the postgame interview. Postgame,
Speaker 3: Prescotvery says, you guys had him out of here after
Speaker 3: the Green Bay gay talking about Lucas. Now you're giving
Speaker 3: him the job. Parcells said, uh, as the reason he
Speaker 3: went with Meyer instead of Lucas after testa Verdie went down.
Speaker 3: I had a guy with fifty starts. I didn't know
Speaker 3: about Lucas back then. Now he knows about it, so
Speaker 3: that anyway, Yeah, all right, Dallas defense, who is the
Speaker 3: second best player on this Cowboys deepen, there's something easy
Speaker 3: for a cornerback? Yeah, like Everson. The salaries say it too,
Speaker 3: Yes for the recent.
Speaker 7: Right, yeah, yeah, I don't know why he's taking so long. Well,
Speaker 7: go ahead, it's Diggs. Come on, it's Digs.
Speaker 2: You have you know.
Speaker 7: Of course, you got DeMarcus Lawrence, who is definitely worthy.
Speaker 7: You can say what you want make him, especially when
Speaker 7: you talked about last year, one of the most important
Speaker 7: players on the Cowboys defense. But with Michael Parsons and
Speaker 7: his superlatives, you want to put him up there and
Speaker 7: Diggs has his own.
Speaker 2: Superlatives that you can deal with.
Speaker 7: And we talked in numbers eleven interceptions last year, second
Speaker 7: year in the.
Speaker 2: League, two years ago, two years ago.
Speaker 7: Then he's got you know, the big plays that he
Speaker 7: made against the Jetsah, he's starting.
Speaker 3: Already wrong against the Giants the other.
Speaker 2: Night, Giants starting off strong this year.
Speaker 3: It didn't have to be interceptions.
Speaker 2: It does not.
Speaker 7: I mean he seems to be all over the field
Speaker 7: and the way he made the place he salvaged them.
Speaker 7: You know, when the ball was caught by the guy
Speaker 7: in the quick slant, I mean he followed him the
Speaker 7: whole way, tracked him down.
Speaker 5: It was a twenty four yard reception, and he stayed
Speaker 5: on top stage with him and stayed with it, knocked
Speaker 5: it out.
Speaker 7: It wasn't by accident that that ball came out. That
Speaker 7: was clearly by design.
Speaker 3: Cowboys announced at the beginning of training camp with the
Speaker 3: second best player on this defense with.
Speaker 5: A salary year, how much was it eighty four?
Speaker 3: I haven't written down as a five year, ninety seven
Speaker 3: million dollars extension.
Speaker 7: I tried to even think about it.
Speaker 3: But think about some other players that think about Stefan
Speaker 3: Gilmore we just we've just seen him in one game, right.
Speaker 7: He played very He played first of all, great interception.
Speaker 7: We didn't talk about that yesterday, trying to stop it
Speaker 7: from hitting the ground.
Speaker 5: They tried so hard to show it hit the ground right.
Speaker 2: Well, it was a veteran move by him.
Speaker 3: He knew that camera was right there, so he turned
Speaker 3: his back to camera able to overturn the call on
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 2: But now that, yeah, and not just that he had
Speaker 2: a break up, you know that.
Speaker 3: Was and his just the presence that he brings the veteran,
Speaker 3: the veteran yeah, leadership, and it's just a he's so calm. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's a calming presence for the entire team.
Speaker 2: He seems to have a presence over digs.
Speaker 7: It seems like to have a apport to where like, okay,
Speaker 7: I'm following your lead.
Speaker 3: I like that there's a quiet confidence that everybody on
Speaker 3: the team can have knowing that, Okay, we got this
Speaker 3: guy on our side.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I mean it's there's there's some guys they get off
Speaker 3: the bus and they're intimidating because of their size or whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, or you know Micah and the way he plays,
Speaker 3: But there and there's other.
Speaker 2: There's poise in presence. There's poise in his presence.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 5: And if there was another candidate, I would have gone
Speaker 5: with DeMarcus Lawrence. I think he's uh sort of boy.
Speaker 5: What he does up front, so many different things heralded. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and then I may have one on That's right.
Speaker 3: I think I'm thinking of the same person you're thinking of.
Speaker 3: Let's give it, let's give it half a season, another
Speaker 3: full seasons.
Speaker 2: Oh see, that's what.
Speaker 3: I said to the guy asked me. I said, there's
Speaker 3: an under the radar guy who is now getting a
Speaker 3: little over the radarcers. He had two sacks in a
Speaker 3: month in a Sunday night game. But and he's he's
Speaker 3: been like that ever since he came to the league.
Speaker 2: How was his camp?
Speaker 5: I mean, I was going to say he was the
Speaker 5: best defensive tackle they had during training camp.
Speaker 2: You saw it, you can see it last year. I
Speaker 2: was hoping that he continued.
Speaker 5: And so when they see his rookie year too, well
Speaker 5: who's the three technique? Well it's osa you can figure
Speaker 5: out who's playing next to him, right, because everybody it
Speaker 5: was like all this attention on Mazi and you know
Speaker 5: he was the twenty seventh pick in the draft. You know,
Speaker 5: that's getting close to the second round right the way.
Speaker 5: But that three technique guy can make a difference, and boy,
Speaker 5: he sure did, and and and those guys. A lot
Speaker 5: of times when they go to their change up defense,
Speaker 5: he's not on the field. You know, they're using linebackers
Speaker 5: to line up as the as the defensive tackle. I
Speaker 5: had his snap count here.
Speaker 3: He had o dig azua.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had twenty. He only had twenty seven snaps
Speaker 5: thirty and got two sacks and got two sacks, So
Speaker 5: that's pretty good production per play, right, and he also
Speaker 5: had four tackles. He had two tackles for losses, three
Speaker 5: quarterback hits. That's pretty good play production there, and maybe
Speaker 5: that says something for being fresh too.
Speaker 3: You know, it was a third round draft pick, seventy
Speaker 3: fifth overall, and he really showed it even in his
Speaker 3: rookie season. Right, and he had four sacks last year.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: The thing that's so impressive about him, he is get off.
Speaker 3: He's just the way he plays. But he's got those
Speaker 3: long arms. He's only he's only six to one and
Speaker 3: a half, but he's got thirty four inch arms with
Speaker 3: an eighty four inch wingspan and he uses it to
Speaker 3: his benefit. But he's strong even with those long arms.
Speaker 3: He had twenty five inch reps of two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty pounds at the combine, which shows how strong he
Speaker 3: is well.
Speaker 7: And it's something to be said for that low center
Speaker 7: of graphic he has that as well. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 7: it's hard to knock a guy like that over. You know,
Speaker 7: he's not tall and lean. I mean, he's already almost
Speaker 7: like a fireplub, you know what I mean. He's you know,
Speaker 7: fire hydrant. He's ready to go and you're not going
Speaker 7: to knock him over. He's going to be stable no
Speaker 7: matter where you hit him.
Speaker 3: You know, as much talk as there is in the
Speaker 3: NFC East about the defensive tackles in this division and
Speaker 3: what the Eagles have even without Javon Hargraver's now with
Speaker 3: the forty nine ers, but Fletcher Cox for over a
Speaker 3: decade now, and the guys they've gotten out of Georgia,
Speaker 3: including Jalen Carter who impressed in his first game, but
Speaker 3: and then the Alabama guys that Washington has on their front,
Speaker 3: and then the Clemson guy, the exter Lawrence that well,
Speaker 3: here's a UCLA guy, in Osa. Who is holding his
Speaker 3: own when you compare him to the other top notch
Speaker 3: Pro Bowl type defensive tackles in this division. And I.
Speaker 5: See a few more games, But to me, Dimone Clark
Speaker 5: is going to be a baller. He only got to
Speaker 5: start five games last year, and the majority of the
Speaker 5: games he played were special teams. But once he got
Speaker 5: back in training camp, so in this game, very silently,
Speaker 5: he had five tackles and I think he can be
Speaker 5: a force in the middle. Somebody was talking about the
Speaker 5: Cowboys problems at linebacker, and I'm going, hey, don't go
Speaker 5: to sleep on Leyton Vanderish.
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, and where.
Speaker 3: Would have Demone Clark been drafted if he didn't have
Speaker 3: the he's a hurt.
Speaker 5: He's no lower than a second round. He might have
Speaker 5: been a first round pick out of LSUE and he.
Speaker 3: Fell to the fifth round because of the medical.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, this guy can play. And he's big, he's strong,
Speaker 5: and he's fast. I don't know what else you need
Speaker 5: in a linebacker. And he seems to be really really sharp,
Speaker 5: so watch out for him. But again, the way they
Speaker 5: play it, those guys don't What did he get? He
Speaker 5: had forty six snaps, So that was sixty six percent
Speaker 5: and some of that's screwed because those guys came off
Speaker 5: the field.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: When playing this, well, everybody can't be on the tackle, right,
Speaker 7: You can't half a tackle.
Speaker 3: Like oh said he had four sacks last year. Well,
Speaker 3: if Mikah gets there before him, I mean you can't get.
Speaker 2: And in this game, everybody was just salivating to get
Speaker 2: to the quarterback.
Speaker 3: What's interesting about the question that I asked is because
Speaker 3: I was asked it this morning by a guy who
Speaker 3: lives in Philadelphia, and I think and he picked the
Speaker 3: Eagles to win the division. I picked the Cowboys to
Speaker 3: win the division. And I asked him before I answered
Speaker 3: the question, I asked him, so, who do you think
Speaker 3: is this second best player on this Dallas defense? And
Speaker 3: he mentioned first mentioned So this is sort of a
Speaker 3: national perspective. He first mentioned Vanderish and then he mentioned
Speaker 3: Dorin's Armstrong. We didn't even mention those guys, you know,
Speaker 3: but from a national perspective, they're watching that game and
Speaker 3: they're seeing guys because we know who all the players
Speaker 3: are nationally. And this is a guy who follows the NFL,
Speaker 3: but he doesn't see a certain number and say, oh,
Speaker 3: that's vander ash right. You know, he's watching his team Philadelphia. Okay,
Speaker 3: he's just seeing all these guys flying around making tackles
Speaker 3: and he's going, Wow, they got a bunch of guys
Speaker 3: on that defense. Who's the second best guy?
Speaker 2: If they keep seeing fifty.
Speaker 3: Five and they're seeing fourteen, who are this fourteen right
Speaker 3: from Marki's bell? See.
Speaker 5: And that's why when people asked me about what the
Speaker 5: defense did and how shocking it was, I said, it
Speaker 5: wasn't shocking to us that watched practice for a month.
Speaker 5: We saw this. Nobody else saw it. Evidently the Giants
Speaker 5: didn't see it either, right, they saw it. They got
Speaker 5: di answered right, But we saw this brewing in Oxnard
Speaker 5: that they ruined so many practices because of the pressure
Speaker 5: they can put. I think McCarthy said they ended up
Speaker 5: counting seventy five percent of the defensive snaps were pressures
Speaker 5: on the quarterback.
Speaker 3: You know what I told the guy in Philly, I said,
Speaker 3: there were games last year that the guy who did
Speaker 3: not even play in that game on Sunday night might
Speaker 3: have been the second best defensive player on the field,
Speaker 3: and that.
Speaker 2: Was Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 3: I mean there were some games tackler. Yeah, had five
Speaker 3: sacks last year, which was a club tying rock for
Speaker 3: a safety.
Speaker 2: And we haven't even mentioned Bill Bates. Bill Bates.
Speaker 5: Bill Bates had.
Speaker 3: Five one year, and we haven't even mentioned the other
Speaker 3: two safetys. By the way, one of them was a
Speaker 3: first round draft pick and the other one was a
Speaker 3: free agent steal Lee Cooker and jay Ron Kirk.
Speaker 2: Well, they can't even make it to that level. The
Speaker 2: Giants couldn't.
Speaker 3: Make it to that level.
Speaker 7: It's like when I was playing with the Giants one
Speaker 7: game and we're playing against Barry Sanders. He had like
Speaker 7: toasted them for like over one hundred plus yards the
Speaker 7: year before, and we were looking at the video. Man,
Speaker 7: the guy's been there salivating. LT's going crazy. I got
Speaker 7: we're getting into the game. I'm back there playing safety.
Speaker 7: I got nothing to do. I got nothing to do.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's just.
Speaker 5: How strong they were paying to stop them up.
Speaker 7: They stopped them up front the entire time. Belichick calls
Speaker 7: me into the office and goes, hey, you gotta do more.
Speaker 2: Do more.
Speaker 7: What you gotta got a squad here, I've never seen
Speaker 7: anything like this much. Let's play behind it. That's what
Speaker 7: our safety is am looking at the front seven is
Speaker 7: handling everything. By the way, no one escapes through that.
Speaker 2: Oh, by the way.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys also have a backup edge rusher who is
Speaker 3: the third pick in the draft once upon a time
Speaker 3: in Dante Fowler, that's right.
Speaker 2: And who's playing very well.
Speaker 5: And he's doing playing his role right. He goes, I'm
Speaker 5: kind of a designated pass rusher. I go in and
Speaker 5: give DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 2: A break and he does it well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I saw people when they were given injury
Speaker 5: reports about all the starters the Cowboys had out, and
Speaker 5: it's like, Okay, we know, it's not shocked that Donovan
Speaker 5: Wilson wasn't going to play in the game. He's probably
Speaker 5: not even playing this week. I would imagine he's got
Speaker 5: to go through a ramp up, right, And then they
Speaker 5: were counting, uh, Jordan Lewis as a starter and it's like, no,
Speaker 5: he's not a starter. When he gets back, it's going
Speaker 5: to be an interesting dilemma. They have to is he
Speaker 5: active because Doran Bland's the guy. Now, don't you think.
Speaker 2: I agree with that? I mean have to last year
Speaker 2: and the.
Speaker 5: First game on and so somebody's gonna if he's active,
Speaker 5: somebody's got to sit. And I don't know, after you
Speaker 5: have a performance like that, who are you going to
Speaker 5: tell that was on that defense. I don't think you're
Speaker 5: gonna make the You.
Speaker 3: Know what, I liked about Deron Blaine as much as anything. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he had to pick six Okay, right place, right time,
Speaker 3: made the play whatever. I like the way he was
Speaker 3: playing at the end of the game. He was coming
Speaker 3: up and making tackle, playing right physical.
Speaker 5: Not bad for a fifth round pick.
Speaker 7: So I just look at last year and looking at
Speaker 7: last year, I just think that he proved himself beyond
Speaker 7: a shadow of that.
Speaker 5: So we should get a maybe an update on Tyler
Speaker 5: Smith to see exactly where he is in this game,
Speaker 5: if he's ready or if they got to give him
Speaker 5: another another week. But you know what, and we said it,
Speaker 5: I'll say it again. I might have been wrong on
Speaker 5: a Doga because he he was more than serviceable in
Speaker 5: that game. I thought he'd played decent night.
Speaker 2: I'm happy.
Speaker 3: And speaking of Nate, as we close out this edition
Speaker 3: of Mix Shots, we got a text, Oh Nate in Frisco.
Speaker 3: He says, great show, Fellas just joking and that's it
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