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Speaker 1: Bold, reverence, and occasionally random.

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Speaker 2: The Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast it starts

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Speaker 2: now well.

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Speaker 3: Are joined now by actor author Kirk Cameron. Many of you,

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Speaker 3: like me and Buck and certainly producer Ali, big fans

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Speaker 3: of Growing Pains back in the day. Kirk, Yes, love

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Speaker 3: the show. We'll get to that here in a second.

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Speaker 3: You got six kids, you are now traveling around the

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Speaker 3: country doing story hours, and your books have turned into

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Speaker 3: your children's books major cultural flashpoints. So Kirk, thank you

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Speaker 3: for being at our New York City studio. I'll start here.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you a two parter to start. What percentage

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Speaker 3: of people who come in for your book signings were

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Speaker 1: Pains fans back in the day?

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Speaker 3: And would you have ever believed back in the days

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Speaker 3: when you were a teen idol that you would grow

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Speaker 3: up and write children's books with that something that if

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Speaker 3: I had told you this in nineteen eighty eight, would

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Speaker 2: Great questions and totally unique. The guy that was standing

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Speaker 2: outside of the Seattle Public Library was definitely a Growing

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Speaker 2: Pains fan because he had a big sandwich board that

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Speaker 2: he took a lot of time to make. It was huge,

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Speaker 2: into a real pain. That was so well played. Well done, sir.

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Speaker 2: I know he was a huge fan. I'm glad we

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Speaker 2: could entertain him. Back in the eighties. So many people

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Speaker 2: there came and were whether they were Growing Pains fans

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Speaker 2: or not, they're fans of the values that led to

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Speaker 2: the freest, strongest, most blessed, and generous nation in the

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Speaker 2: history of the world. And they're grateful to have something

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Speaker 2: to be a part of, to offer their voice in

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Speaker 2: the chorus of Americans that are against this woke machine.

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Speaker 2: They want to deactivate the progressive matrix, and they want

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Speaker 2: their children to have a future. And secondly, no, I never.

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Speaker 1: Thought i'd be on.

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Speaker 2: The radio with Clay and Buck talking about children's books

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Speaker 2: that I wrote and would be traveling around the country

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Speaker 2: to talk about things like love and joy, kindness, gentleness,

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Speaker 4: So I have to ask you, Kirk, it's Buck.

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, you know I was a Buck. I was

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Speaker 2: a Buck in a movie. You probably didn't know this. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's it was an obscure little movie. But my name

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Speaker 2: was Buck. Anyway, powerful patriotic name.

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Speaker 4: It is so so tell me, tell me this. You know,

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Speaker 4: you're just talking about what the books you're writing, children's

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Speaker 4: books about things like love, kindness, decency, and bravery.

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Speaker 2: Very controversial because I say those words.

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Speaker 1: What what is?

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Speaker 4: And it? Isn't it kind of crazy that at this

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Speaker 4: day and age, whenever someone I mean, I'm not the

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Speaker 4: only one I'm sure who feels this way. Whenever we

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Speaker 4: hear story Hour, we're in immediately thinking that it's a

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Speaker 4: very different kind of story hour. Don't Your story Hour

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Speaker 4: doesn't involve wigs, fishnet stockings, or any gender identity politics,

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Speaker 4: And yet your controversial explain how.

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Speaker 2: That's not fair. You can't explain that unless you go

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Speaker 2: headed by the progressives, And we could get into that.

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Speaker 1: But you're right.

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Speaker 2: I was denied by over fifty woke libraries when I

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Speaker 2: asked to read this story for kids. Maybe if I

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Speaker 3: Kurt, you've got six kids. You live in California right now.

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Speaker 3: I presume back in the day, Growing Pains was filmed

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you had a political awakening of sorts.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious, as you have evolved in your age, how

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Speaker 1: I live in Nashville. Buck is in Miami.

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Speaker 3: Have you come close to bailing on California? If not,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand the question. I meet many California refugees

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Speaker 2: understand why people move, and I may be getting a

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Speaker 2: We've hit rock bottom and I think we can only

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Speaker 4: We're speaking to Kirk Cameron and his book is Pride

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Speaker 4: Comes Before the Fall. Just tell us a little b

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Speaker 4: What are they going to learn?

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Speaker 2: Well, kids love to hear stories, they love heroes, and

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Speaker 2: what I did. I partnered up with Brave Books, which

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Speaker 2: the Spirit, and then follow it up with this second

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Speaker 2: and it teaches children the importance of humility. Humility is

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Speaker 1: It's June.

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Speaker 2: It's so called Pride Month, and it's just in time

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Speaker 2: reading programs. And it's interesting to me if I could

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Speaker 2: But the truth is, pride is the opposite of love.

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Speaker 2: Love is about others, Pride is about self. So the

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Speaker 2: truest expression of love is not pride, it's humility. But

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Speaker 4: Look it up.

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Speaker 2: He did it, said an appeal to heaven, and he

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Speaker 2: we should replace the pride flag with the humility flag.

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Speaker 3: I will be fascinated to hear. Maybe he was a

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Speaker 2: I love those shows.

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Speaker 3: Those shows were very much I would say a political

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Speaker 3: first part. Second part. The most famous person now who

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, Leonardo DiCaprio, we has always been someone that

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Speaker 1: Could you still make those shows?

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Speaker 3: If you think back to all those that I laid out,

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Speaker 2: Because in the eighties and the nineties and much more

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Speaker 4: Latest book by Kirk Cameron is Pride Comes Before the Fall.

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Speaker 4: other book and Kirk Cameron, thank you so much, Siran

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Speaker 4: And that was an actual insurrection, an actual an actual

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Speaker 6: So there was a punishment, and there's a reason why

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So for people, thank you for the call, by

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Speaker 4: First of all, it's fun to watch YouTube guys. You know,

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Speaker 4: The overarching ultimate concern here, right, what is going to

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Speaker 3: it doesn't if you hang Robert E. Lee, and if

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Speaker 3: you hang Jefferson Davis, and if you hang John Bellhood

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Speaker 3: and Nathan Bedford Forrest and all of these iconic Southern

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Speaker 3: generals who survived the war, then you are not going

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Speaker 3: to create a sense of reproachment going forward. What Biden

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Speaker 3: is doing is tearing asunder the nation with these charges.

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Speaker 3: It's the exact opposite historically of what happened in the

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Speaker 3: wake of the Civil.

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Speaker 1: War, which was a far far more.

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Speaker 3: Divisive incident than Donald Trump's presidency.

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Speaker 4: If they were doing the best interests of the country

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Speaker 4: as the top goal of all this, if that was

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Speaker 4: really the approach, the Democrats would say, look, there's some

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Speaker 4: document stuff whatever, We got the stuff back that we need.

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Speaker 4: Beat him at the ballot box.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Biden would actually pardon Trump buck if he was truly

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Speaker 3: a uniter. He would say, I think Trump broke the law,

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Speaker 3: but I think it's more important that we not set

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Speaker 3: the precedent of charging political adversaries. I'm going to beat

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Speaker 3: Trump fair and square in twenty twenty four. That would

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Speaker 3: be what a real leader would say. I don't think

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Speaker 3: Biden will say. I also don't think Biden's brain is

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Speaker 3: even functional enough to understand it.

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Speaker 1: But I will say this, Buck. They make a big.

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Speaker 3: Deal about all these historians that supposedly meet with Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden all the time. Shame on those historians for not

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Speaker 3: also speaking to the larger context of history here and

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Speaker 3: letting Biden know how shameful his behavior is.

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Speaker 4: That's what we're trying to get out here, which is

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Speaker 4: really when you look at this, when you take a

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Speaker 4: step back from the all the you know, the scrum,

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Speaker 4: the fighting, the back and forth that's going on here,

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Speaker 4: there's something deeply wrong about what the Democrats have just done,

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Speaker 4: and historically, in the full context of the timeline of

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Speaker 4: this country. I think people will recognize that more. The

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Speaker 4: good news is it's not over. The good news is

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Speaker 4: there's still a jury. There's still the possibility that Trump

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Speaker 4: wins this whole thing, where that's some a number of

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Speaker 4: factors could play out here where this isn't quite the

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Speaker 4: catastrophe for our republic that it could be, but I

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Speaker 4: do think we have to keep in mind what the

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Speaker 4: what the stakes are very.

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Speaker 1: Much Sunday Drop with Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 4: I'm a podcast listener. Clay. When I do chores, that's

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Speaker 4: kind of my where when I try to force myself

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Speaker 4: to do slow steady state cardio, which is like the

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Speaker 4: worst thing in the world, So a good pot. What

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Speaker 4: do you do?

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Speaker 1: How do you do slow steady state cardios? I like

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Speaker 1: that I do.

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Speaker 4: I do like very like high incline walking. So if

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Speaker 4: you're or know, I go at like, wait, shut off?

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Speaker 4: What is this? What is this? What is this?

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Speaker 3: You make you me for being an old guy and

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Speaker 3: you do high incline walking. I have never even heard

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Speaker 3: of anybody inclining to do walk.

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Speaker 4: Excuse me, sir. I put on a twenty pound weight

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Speaker 4: vest and I walk at a nine point zero elevation

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Speaker 4: and a three point five speed and it is right

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Speaker 4: effective and easy on the knees. And as I'm saying

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Speaker 4: that out loud, it does make me feel like I'm

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Speaker 4: getting older, but it is effective. Clay's being a jerk today, everybody.

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Speaker 3: First of all, you're in the Kamala Harris fan club.

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Speaker 3: Now you're doing walking on elevator elevated. I know you

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Speaker 3: if you're If you, I don't know at what age

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Speaker 3: you can you can get on a treadmill and walk,

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Speaker 3: but I know it is definitely older than you are. Like,

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Speaker 3: if I looked over it, I would be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: he must be warming up.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna start running in.

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Speaker 4: Sure you keep this up. We're gonna have to have

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Speaker 4: some kind of of a public bet here where you

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Speaker 4: have to go thirty minutes nine zero elevation, twenty pound

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Speaker 4: waypelthought at three point five and see what you look

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Speaker 4: like at the end of the.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I could do it all right, I'm

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Speaker 3: not in any way saying that this is not difficult

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Speaker 3: to do. I'm saying that if I were in the

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Speaker 3: gym and if I were like looking around at what

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Speaker 3: everybody's doing, and I saw a non gray haired man

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Speaker 3: walking on a treadmill, I would be like, what did

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Speaker 3: this guy?

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Speaker 7: Just?

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Speaker 3: Is he recovering from, you know, a serious injury recovery

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Speaker 3: that he has long COVID and he can't breathe?

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Speaker 1: Like, what is his? What is it situation?

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Speaker 4: Here?

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Speaker 3: I just I would have never bet that you were

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Speaker 3: a walk on the treadmill for exercise.

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Speaker 4: Guys, I'm just trying to tell everybody about our excellent

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Speaker 4: podcast and this is the this is the heat, this

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Speaker 4: is the trash that I get. You know, Oh boy,

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Speaker 4: you know it's just baby steps, you know, baby steps toward.

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Speaker 4: Now that's actually not really the analogy I want to

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Speaker 4: go for it considered. We're talking about walking.

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Speaker 3: Carry walk your your wife does she ever walk on

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Speaker 3: the treadmill? Does she run beside you, like like just

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Speaker 3: kind of letting you like a whippy looks like while

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Speaker 3: you're running.

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Speaker 4: She does like wind sprints and does you know, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's like my.

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Speaker 3: Wife elite physical condition. And meanwhile you're on the treadmill,

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Speaker 3: you know, walking clay.

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Speaker 4: You gotta everything is relative. She's just happy I'm not there.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm not sitting on the couch pounding twinkies,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like you know better than

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Speaker 4: you know. That is very enjoyable. All right. Anyway, we

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Speaker 4: were very much talking about the podcast situation, which you

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Speaker 4: subscribe to the iHeart app is the best way to

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Speaker 4: do it down with the iHeart app wherever you can,

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Speaker 4: if any of you out there by the way, want

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Speaker 4: I want to want to weigh in on how steady

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Speaker 4: state elevated walking is actually good for weight loss. Feel

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Speaker 4: free to call in and yell at Clay then lose

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Speaker 4: weight walking.

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Speaker 1: That is not true. There's no one's gotten skinny because

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Speaker 1: they walk all the time.

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Speaker 4: I'm ted the fitness influencers listening, you're gonna tell you're talking.

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Speaker 4: By the way, this is what I do after I

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Speaker 4: lift weights. But that's a whole other thing. So I'm

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Speaker 4: just throwing this out there. And we do have some

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Speaker 4: calls not on that topic, and I did want to

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Speaker 4: get to them, and I think we got. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: guys are telling me different sides of the coin here, right,

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Speaker 4: all right, let's start with Tyler in Miami. Down here

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Speaker 4: in Miami. What's going on, Tyler?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just wanted to win my two cents to

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Speaker 7: the rationale as why Chris Christy would throw his name

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Speaker 7: in the hat and come out swinging at Trump. I

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Speaker 7: think there's an agenda and time will tell which route

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Speaker 7: he takes. People run for president for four reasons. To win,

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Speaker 7: to get an appointment on their party's cabinet, uh to

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Speaker 7: push one or two major issues to the public stage,

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Speaker 7: or to be relevant in the media and public. I

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Speaker 7: think Chris Christy obviously is not going to be uh,

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Speaker 7: he's not gonna win, He's not gonna get an appointment.

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Speaker 7: He just wants to be relevant so he can conduct interviews,

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Speaker 7: remaining the spotlight, write a book, get speaking gigs. But

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Speaker 7: also he could do all on a panel at a

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Speaker 7: major media outlet. He'd get a crish spot with CNN

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Speaker 7: or MSNBC and be the token conservative for their panel.

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Speaker 1: That's all said, Tyler, have you ever walked on a treadmill.

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Speaker 7: Last night?

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Speaker 1: How old are you?

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Speaker 4: See?

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Speaker 1: See?

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Speaker 4: Oh, Clay, you have you have poked the dragon.

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Speaker 1: I had trouble.

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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, you have a dragon guest.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm gonna check by.

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Speaker 4: He used to watching elite twenty year old athletes work

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Speaker 4: out from the OutKick world who are like deadlifting six

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Speaker 4: hundred pounds for those of us like weekend warriors. Okay,

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Speaker 4: a good heart rate elevation on the steady state treadmill

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Speaker 4: is better than the alternatives.

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Speaker 3: See, we're gonna give you credit if you were on

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Speaker 3: the elliptical. But I've just never heard of a man

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Speaker 3: who was not like over the ages. It was not

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Speaker 3: over the age of sixty five, like voluntarily going to

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Speaker 3: the gym to walk on the treadmill, walk outside.

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Speaker 4: On the shore. Then all right back to politics, Uh

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Speaker 4: John in New Jersey, a New Jersey, and John, what

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Speaker 4: you got for us was claim buck megadidos.

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Speaker 5: I am a big I am a big fan of

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Speaker 5: the walking as well.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna have to resign from the show.

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Speaker 3: Evidently I'm just gonna get dels with walkers on treadmills.

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Speaker 1: Who are I'm gonna net.

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Speaker 4: Memes alone are worth this play? All the the army

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Speaker 4: of treadmill walkers are coming after you. Anyway, Go ahead, John,

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Speaker 4: go ahead. Sorry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. The reason why I support Christy, and it's the

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Speaker 5: term that still has me in Twitter jail right now,

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Speaker 5: is he's performing a service by punching Trump in the mouth.

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Speaker 5: And after doing that, some of the other candidates will

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Speaker 5: start to do it too, And I have a Trump

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Speaker 5: will fall and fade away and someone else will rise.

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Speaker 5: And I think Christy, with his whole big speech, you know,

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Speaker 5: big America, big ideas, that's just in case if he

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Speaker 5: manages to take Trump out and nobody else rises and

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Speaker 5: he's the last one standing, maybe he will run for

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Speaker 5: president

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Speaker 4: All right, thanks for calling on that one.