1 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Annie Rees and 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm Lauren volc Obam and we've got kind of a 3 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: special episode for you guys today. It's it's a it's 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: an interview, Yes, an interview with more than one person. 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: What we're getting more than one person to talk to us, madness. 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: We're surprised to see you guys are um and it's 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: thanks to Julia Bainbridge, who was in our Mocktails episode. 8 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: She put us in touch with one Julia, a different Julia, 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: Julia Tertion of food writer and activists who often works 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: with concepts that we've touched on before on the show, 11 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: like the biases and prejudices that workers face in the 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: food industry, particularly workers who also happened to be women, 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: or gender nonconforming and or people of color and or 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: lgbt Q plus right. Fighting these biases is really important 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: to us here at food Stuff, as you might have 16 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: garnered from previous episodes, So we we wanted to bring 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: Julia on to talk about her work and particularly one 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: of the projects that she just launched that's called Equality 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: at the Table or EAT, and she started that along 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: with input from a board of advisors and She's also 21 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: brought along one of those advisors to speak with us today, 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: Hawa Hassan, the creator and owner of bus Bus, a 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 1: line of Somali hot sauces and chutney's that are made 24 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: and sold here in the United States. So let's let's 25 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: let's get straight to talking with them. So my name 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: is Julia Trision. I am a cookbook author, and I 27 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: am also the founder of Equity at the Table dot 28 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: com um also known as Eat with two Cheese uh 29 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: and it's a very easy to navigate digital directory UM 30 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: for women and non binary individuals in food. I am 31 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: how A Hassan. I am the CEO of Best Best Condiments, 32 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: which is a line of Somali sauces that are sold 33 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: across the United States. At the moment, I live in 34 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: New York City and I'm excited to be on this 35 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: call today. How did how did you guys first find 36 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: each other and meet each other? How did we first 37 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: find each other? Julia interviewed me for a piece about activism, yeah, 38 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: for a magazine in New York City, and then we 39 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: became friends over email. I invited her to an immigration 40 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: um dinner I was having right after the Muslim band happened, 41 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: and then we just kept in touch. And then Julia 42 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: wrote me asking if I would be a part of 43 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: Seed the Resistance. So really we bonded over activism and 44 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: I was a part of Seed the Resistance Julia's cookbook, uh, 45 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: and then we carried on the relations ship. Then shortly 46 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: after that, I think Julia wanted to address some of 47 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: the issues that were happening, UM in the food industry, 48 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: and when she thought of EAT, you know, reached out 49 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: to some woman that she respected, and I was lucky 50 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: enough to be one of them. That's all accurate. Can 51 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about EAT? Sure? Yeah, So, UM, 52 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: Equity at the Table is UM. It's a resource, it's 53 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: a tool. It's a directory of individuals. And when I 54 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: first was thinking about it, you know, I thought it 55 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: would be this really helpful thing from the food industry, UM, 56 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,839 Speaker 1: you know, a place to find people and learn about 57 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: new people. And I thought, well, surely this exist. I 58 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: just don't know about it yet. UM. So I started 59 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: kind of googling away and asking friends and colleagues UM, 60 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: and just kept realizing this thing that I thought would 61 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: be so useful and needed, UM didn't didn't exist yet. 62 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: In this way that I kind of visualized it, and 63 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: so I started. The first step was to put together 64 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: the advisory board to reach out to Halla and to 65 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: some other you know, friends and colleagues and just talk 66 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: about what this could be and you know, what purposes 67 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: that could serve, and those conversations were just so valuable. 68 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: UM and just having that community, having the advisory board 69 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: just felt really like inspiring to me that I would want, 70 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: you know, that type of community and that kind of 71 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: conversation to exist for as many people as possible, UM, 72 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, for everyone to have a few people that 73 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: can email or text and just kind of run things by. 74 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: So that's sort of like the origin of EAT. And 75 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: I logistically I brought on a web designer, really awesome woman, 76 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: um to really build the site to do all those things, 77 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: but I've no idea how to do and UM it's 78 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: started did with a form that I sent out first 79 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: to some people I knew and then uh, you know, 80 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: some people I wanted to know and some other people 81 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: I found, And that form helped me put together the 82 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: information for the first basically hundred members. UM. So when 83 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: we launched the site, which we did on April fourth, 84 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: UM so it's at this point like a little bit 85 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: over a month old. UM. You know, we started with 86 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: about a hundred people, and the point of that was 87 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: to really start kind of with the thing itself, not 88 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: the idea of the thing, you know, I really wanted 89 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: anyone visiting the site from day one to really get 90 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: what it was and who it was for and what 91 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: it did for UM. And the site has grown. People 92 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: are joining every day. I think we're at about four 93 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty members that started in Instagram feed to 94 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: kind of help continue to attroduce people and UM. In 95 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: terms of what the site stands for and everything, there's 96 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: basically two categories of of individuals. There's there's foods or professionals, 97 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: which are kind of uh, you know, everything from chefs 98 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: to bakers and writers and farmers and photographers. And then 99 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: there's resources for those professionals, so things like accountants and 100 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: lawyers that kind of stuff, and the food professionals. At 101 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: this point, we have it open to women and non 102 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: binary individuals who identify as as people of color or 103 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: part of the LGBTQ community UM, and the resources are 104 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: open to all women and non binary individuals. And I think, 105 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: you know, a conversation how and the rest of the 106 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: advisory board and I had a lot was you know, 107 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: can this site really kind of center the voices that 108 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: haven't been centered and UM just lift up kind of 109 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: the most marginalized of marginalized voices, and so that is Yeah, 110 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: that's sort of the longer version I would say, what 111 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: the site is, How has it been going since the launch? 112 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: It has been It's been pretty great. UM. One of 113 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: my new daily activities is checking the eat email account 114 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: and just sort of responding to people. UM. The response 115 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: has been really awesome. I think one thing that we've 116 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: been talking a lot about is, you know, if if 117 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: we choose to kind of evolve EAT into anything else, 118 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: it's so much about it not just being this directory 119 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: for people who aren't part of eat to find people 120 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: who are on eat. Um. You know, it's also so 121 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: much about the community and you know, what are ways 122 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: that we can work to connect um, you know, members, 123 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: and work to connect all all of the people who 124 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: have signed up for EAT because at this point it's 125 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: it's so cool. It's you know, people across the world, 126 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: you know, in different countries, people doing so many different things. UM. 127 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: One type of email I feel like I keep responding 128 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: to is like, hey, I want to be part of this, 129 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: but my profession isn't listed, and just finding out all 130 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: the different things people do but I never would have 131 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: even thought of. So that's been pretty cool. So a 132 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: lot of your work in the past has been on 133 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: the intersection between food and activism. Can you talk a 134 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: little bit about that, and can each of you kind 135 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: of say how is that intersection personal? I mean, for me, 136 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: I think the two go hand in hand because I'm 137 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: a Somali reck ge. My interest really lies in immigration 138 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: policy and reform. For me, it's been really interesting to 139 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: use foods that are formed to people, you know I live. 140 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: I live in New York, and so maybe people that 141 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: aren't familiar with Somali cuisine or East African cuisine. To 142 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: be able to do that over a plate of food 143 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: at a table with complete strangers has been inspiring and 144 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: eye opening. And I think what I have found is 145 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: that any conversation has been an easy one to have 146 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: and over food that people don't know has not really 147 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: been that much of an issue as I thought in 148 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: the beginning. And so I've been really using food as 149 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: a tool to have the tough conversation and introducing new cuisine. 150 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: And it's been it's been interesting, it's been inspiring, and 151 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: I've been able to meet friends by Julia and find 152 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: interesting just between the two of us. Um, that goes further, 153 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, way past food. Yeah how about you, Julia? Yeah, 154 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: I just I could not agree more. UM. I feel 155 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: like I guess two kind of separate things that are related. 156 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: One is that you know, I have loved cookbooks my 157 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: whole life. Have been cooking since before I can remember, 158 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: and I taught myself how to cook from using cookbooks. UM. 159 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: So that you know, I'm one of those very fortunate 160 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: people who have always known what they loved and I 161 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: get to do what I love. UM. And So even 162 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: though I was exposed to cookbooks at such a young age, 163 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, they've always meant so much to me, 164 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't until I got older that I really came 165 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: to understand that these books that felt so important that 166 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: I felt like I could see myself in, I could 167 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: imagine myself making, Um, they didn't reflect me in all 168 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: the ways I thought they did. UM. And it's why 169 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 1: I very intentionally bring my full self to my work, 170 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: which which includes the fact that I'm a very out 171 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: and proud gay woman. UM. So I talk a lot 172 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: about my personal um just life and my marriage in 173 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: my work. UM, and that is definitely on purpose. And 174 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: the purpose is because I feel like cookbooks are such 175 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: an incredible way to normalize things. You know, cookbooks are 176 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: these objects people bring into their homes and they they 177 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: treat very differently than other types of media. Um. You know, 178 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: people read cookbooks kind of for comfort and escapes. You know, 179 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: people fall asleep to them. Uh, and then people cook 180 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: out of them. You know, you make these actual recipes, 181 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: me make things for your family or your holidays and stuff. 182 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: So you know, I know what cookbooks have meant to me. 183 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: I know what they mean to other people. So if 184 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: I can use my word to normalize what it means 185 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: to be a gay woman in this country to be 186 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: married to another woman, that is really kind of my mission. 187 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: Even if it's not you know, on the cover of 188 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: the book or a title or something like that, just 189 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: leaving that in is really really important to me. Um. 190 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: It's a very sort of personal and I would say, 191 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: um kind of maybe even subversive type of activism I do. 192 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: And it made me think a lot just in doing 193 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: that from such a personal place, it made me think 194 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: so much about you know, how cookbooks consunction in all 195 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: these other ways besides just you know, a Tuesday night 196 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: dinner or helping you with like a holiday meal or that, 197 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: which is super important. I care about that too, um. 198 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: But that kind of thought is what led me to 199 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: um putting together Feed the Resistance, UM, which was the 200 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: I described that as a little book with a lot 201 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: in it, and that book I put together right after 202 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: the last election, and over twenty contributors, including Hawa and 203 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: her incredible pasta thought. We gave all the proceeds and 204 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: are continuing to give all the proceeds from that book 205 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: to the A C. L U. So I feel like 206 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: that book really showed how, you know, a cookbook can 207 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: really be a tool for so many things, um, including 208 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, the protection of civil liberties, a tool to 209 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: share recipes and essays from you know, a really interesting 210 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: and wonderful group of people, UM, some people who you 211 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: know we don't hear enough from. So Yeah, I really 212 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: believe in in cookbooks to be these kinds of tools 213 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: of justice, and in obvious ways and not so obvious ways. Yeah, 214 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: I try to really weave a lot into the work 215 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: I do because I think people welcome cookbooks, um in 216 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: ways that just I don't see others without a lot 217 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: of judgment. Yeah. Yeah, and and they become really personal. 218 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: Um It's like you kind of get to know the 219 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: people behind them. So I feel really lucky to have 220 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: the opportunity to share these kinds of things in my 221 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: work and have people respond to it, you know, and 222 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: respond positively. And I also see very much like another 223 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: form of activism I really care about is making sure 224 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: that opportunity is available for other people. So that is 225 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: a little bit about you know, also why I started 226 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: Equity at the Table, you know, just to make it 227 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: really obvious that there's tons of people stories are so 228 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,679 Speaker 1: important and or worth asking about and telling and sharing 229 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: and just connecting with and you know, all these different 230 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: people you can hire, and there's a lot of us. Yeah. 231 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: And I think one of the things that advisory board 232 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: had talked about early on was making it so steamless 233 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: for the people in power. You know. I think oftentimes 234 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: people get in this space of saying, well, I couldn't 235 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: find a black photographer, I couldn't find a queer person 236 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: for this project, or whatever. It is. And I think 237 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: when Julia came up with the idea, the reason why 238 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: I was originally attracted to the project was because now 239 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: everyone can go and literally scroll and find anyone that 240 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: they're looking for on without a lot of you know, 241 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: not a lot of research on their right, right. It 242 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: removes the excuse. Powerful and it's doesn't work for the 243 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: people in power. Yeah, I feel like one thing that's 244 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: so I'm so happy about with it and the Yeah, 245 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: we've talked together kind of as a group and stuff. 246 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: I think one thing that makes it so powerful is 247 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: that it's so simple. Um, you know, it's not a 248 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: complicated site. It's it's really obvious what it is and 249 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: you know all the different ways you can use it. 250 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: It's easy to use, it's free. You know, there's no barriers. 251 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: It's really it's there, and you know, we want people 252 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: to book market and come back to it. Um, you know, 253 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: don't took it once. Yeah, exactly, we should have called 254 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: it that. We've got more from Julia and how coming up, 255 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: but first let's take a quick break for a word 256 00:14:51,120 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: from our sponsor and we're back. Thank you sponsor, and 257 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: back to the interview. Juliet. You wrote a op ed 258 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: in The New York Times called The Resistance is Hungry, 259 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: And you read a little bit about the the history 260 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: of resistance cookbooks on that intersection between activism and and food. 261 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: Could you talk a little bit about that. There's an enormous, 262 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: enormous legacy UM for the intersection of food and activism, 263 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, there's incredible examples including UM, Miss 264 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: Georgia Gilmore who ran the Club from Nowhere during the 265 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: Civil Rights Movement UM, which was a group of women 266 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: she organized in Montgomery, Alabama during the bus boycotts. And 267 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: these women, you know, for various reasons, couldn't necessarily be 268 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: on the front lines, you know, marching or boycotting UM. 269 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: For many of them, it would mean you know, losing 270 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: a job or you know, something along those lines. So 271 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: she put together this group that would cook and bake 272 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: UM to quite literally feed the movement UM and they 273 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: would sell you sandwiches and and cookies and whatever it 274 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: was they were making. They would sell all this food 275 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: UM to everyone who's boycotting because you know, as I 276 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: had to eat something and be sustained. And then they 277 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: would take the money they made and put that money 278 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: right back into the into the movement and give money 279 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: to the Montgomery Improvement Association, which funded things like um 280 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: gasoline and new tires for the cars that were transporting 281 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: people who still had to go from you know, A 282 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: to B even if they weren't taking the bus. So 283 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: to me, the club from Nowhere and and uh my 284 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: story to Gilmore are such incredible examples of how food 285 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: and just the logistics of a movement are so important 286 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: to any movement. And um, you know it's it's about 287 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: people on the ground, and those people need to be 288 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: fed and taken care of, and the people who feed 289 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: them and take care of them are just as important 290 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: and just as vital. And I think it's so much 291 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: about the sort of ecosystem and food has a huge 292 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: role in it. So yeah, there's example for a long 293 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: of kind of activism and movement building have happened because 294 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: these things have happened because people made them happen. And 295 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, people need to be fed and brought together 296 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: in community, and you know, food is just I think 297 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: the it's obvious and kind of the most important way 298 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: to do that. Um, how would you tell us about 299 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: the recipe that you contributed to feed the resistance that 300 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: passed us us. Yeah, so a lot of people don't know, 301 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: but Somalia was colonized by the Italians and was given 302 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: that um to being Somalia in nineteen sixty. So both 303 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: of my parents were born in an Italian colony and 304 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: one of the things that the Italians left behind was 305 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: their love of pasta. And so when Julia originally got 306 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: in touch with me, I think one of the requirements 307 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: was um or. One of the questions was what recipe 308 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: would you used to feed a group? And I come 309 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: from a family of ten, ten children plus my mom 310 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: and dad, so they're twelve of us. So I started 311 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: thinking and I said, okay, well, what what's something that 312 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: we eat all the time. What is something that is 313 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: really easy to make and kind of trans you know, 314 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: transitions across borders. And for me, that was our sugo. 315 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: So it's a Somali pasta sauce that is made every 316 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: single day in every Somali home. It's our comfort food. 317 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: What makes it different because Somalia is on the Indian Ocean, 318 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: we use spices in the pasta sauce um like cardamin, cuman, tumeric, cinnamon, 319 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: bark um, and so it's it's warm, it's um, it's yummy. Uh, 320 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: it's flavorful. It tastes like something you've had before, but 321 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: you don't know why because it's the pasta sauce. So 322 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: I would say, honestly, I think it's the best pasta 323 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: sauce ever, but I have a little prejudice. So yeah, 324 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: the requirement was what would I what would I do, 325 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: um if I were cooking for a group of people, 326 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: and what would I feed them? And the pasta sauce 327 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: to me, seemed like the right thing to do um. 328 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: And I also just wanted to I wanted people to 329 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 1: know that Somali food isn't so FORRN and so that's 330 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: how the pasta sauce came to be. That sounds so good. Yeah, 331 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: I saw I saw that recipe and I'm like, oh, 332 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: I really want to go cook that right now. Any 333 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: any stories you can share that showcase what you're trying 334 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: to do with with all of these projects, success stories, 335 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: you know, things that are kind of near and dear 336 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: to y'all. Sure one comes to mind for me that 337 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: kind of connect us um, which is so when when 338 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: I was promoting feed the recipients, I got to um, 339 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: uh do a little bit of traveling, which included going 340 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 1: to anne Arbor, Michigan UM and I spoke to this 341 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: really wonderful group of people at the ann Arbor Public 342 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: Library and one of the people in the audience there 343 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: was this young man named Jordan's, who I had already 344 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: connected with on Instagram. He had cooked something I believe 345 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: out of the book and we you know, got to 346 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: kind of commenting on each other's photos, and then he 347 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: came to the event and was so lovely. It was 348 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: a really nice conversation, and we continued to stay in touch, 349 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,239 Speaker 1: you know, via social media, and Jordan's, who lives I 350 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: can't remember which city, but somewhere about maybe an hour 351 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: from ann Arbor, started cooking his way through feed the 352 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: Resistance UM, including making Halla's um FuGO and loved it 353 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: and posted about it, and then you know, you guys 354 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: are now friends on Instagram. And what was so cool 355 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: is there's a huge Somali population in Michigan, UM, which 356 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: how I could publish share a lot more about how 357 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: that happened and everything. And so Jordan's started doing some 358 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: volunteer work with Somali refugees in Michigan, and you know, 359 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: I don't know that that was precisely because he was, 360 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, cooking how a sauce and feed the resistance, 361 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: but there was definitely a connection there, and I think 362 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: it's it speaks to the power of sharing food to 363 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: kind of open someone's eyes too, you know, their neighbors 364 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: in a whole new way. And um it's also I 365 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: think speaks to the power of how we're all connected 366 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: through um through our phones and through the Internet, and 367 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: the kinds of really like wonderful and um like life 368 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: enriching relationships we all have really easy access to, which 369 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: again kind of reminds me of equity at the table. 370 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: So it's it's sort of all connected. And I just 371 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: love that story and I think about Jordan a lot 372 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: because I think, you know, I wouldn't have gotten to 373 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: meet him and have the conversation he and I have 374 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: been able to have, you know, if I hadn't done 375 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: that book. And you know, I also wouldn't know how 376 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: is pasta pasta sauce if I had an asked for 377 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: a recipe, And you know, that's something that I make 378 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: now for for me and my wife's all the time. 379 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 1: My wife's grace cooks it all the time too, So 380 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, all of this stuff connects us. I think 381 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: makes our lives bigger and more interesting. Um and just 382 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: kind of continues to put like a face to a 383 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: name of like over and over and over again, and 384 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: I just think it's yeah, I always just think about him. Um. 385 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: What do you guys hope, hope, hope for the future. 386 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: I know that's a really big question. What about you? 387 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: How what do I hope for the future. I'm selfish, 388 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: I know, I'm like a very selfish perspective. I would 389 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: love to see some Molli's food be available all across there, 390 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: in regular grocery aisles and not just like in a small, 391 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: small ethnic shelf. Um. I really do think that East 392 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: African cuisine is where Indian food was about thirty years ago. 393 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: There's a huge interest in Africa right now, and so 394 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: I think not only being able to share those stories 395 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: through food and having people get excited, but having people 396 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: go out and purchase foods and cookbooks that pertain to Africa, 397 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: for me, is really where I'm at now and I'm 398 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: very hopeful about And that's what I do every single day. 399 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: I try to talk about refugee issues. I try to 400 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: talk about Somalia as much as possible in a very 401 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: in a very light way, in a way that people understand. 402 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: I think oftentimes one of the things I always read 403 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: about myself online is, oh, I love the way how 404 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: it talks about being a refugee. Well, it's just displaced people. 405 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: It's not you know, it's not the end of the world. 406 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: It's people that are going to recover and maybe you know, 407 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: for a time in their life they're really displaced and 408 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: there's something else coming after, but it is in the 409 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: end of life. And so I'm really excited to share 410 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: those stories and to close the gap a little bit 411 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: and to really feel people just how much like we are. 412 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: Like this, the Jordan's story is so important. This is 413 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: somebody I now regularly send sauces to. This is somebody 414 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: who comments on, you know, posts about Smalley stuff every 415 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: single day. This is someone I now have a relationship. 416 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: But because of apasta sauce that Julia put in her cookbook, 417 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: so I don't I'm I'm very hopeful. I'm really excited 418 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: to just all of us figure out exactly how much 419 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: we're alike as opposed to how different we are. And uh, 420 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: Julia yeah, I was just echo everything Hall I said. UM, 421 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: And I guess my hope is that, um, you know, 422 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: stories about uh written by and um, you know, share 423 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: their kind of focus on you know, people like Hawa 424 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: and her story, people like myself and you know, if 425 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm talking about like what I'm cooking for my wife, 426 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I really I hope that these 427 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: stories become pretty unexceptional. Um that's right, so sort of 428 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: part of of the mix of stories that are told 429 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: and don't feel like, um yeah, like an exception. And 430 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: I think the more all of our stories get shared, 431 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: and the more we're all able to share them and 432 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: make the decisions about which stories get shared, I think 433 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: the more will will really be in a place. But 434 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: of what how it described where? You know, we all 435 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: have come to understand how much we have in common, 436 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: even if we feel like we're really different sometimes. And 437 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: food just gives us the opportunity to do that in 438 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: so many ways. UM yeah, every single day, which was amazing. 439 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: We've got some more food and activism stuff to talk 440 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: about here, but first a quick break for a word 441 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you sponsor, and 442 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: now back to the interview. Pulling back a little bit 443 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: from that, what's a what's kind of visible on the 444 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: horizon for for starting starting with EAT, like you mentioned, 445 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: maybe it evolving into something else. Sure, Yeah, I think 446 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: for EAT we are definitely Um. I'm I'm just really 447 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: curious to see how the community continues to grow. Um. 448 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: And I think there's something probably coming up sooner, including 449 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: I keep thinking about doing with the newsletter for the community, 450 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: almost like a community board, like hey, you know how 451 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: I came up with this new sauce, you should try it? 452 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: Like so and so wrote this awesome article. Uh, this 453 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: person just won an award, like what congratulates them like 454 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: something like that. Just to sort of keep connecting the community, 455 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: I think is really key. Um. But my my big 456 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: hope is just to get to know everyone is on 457 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: EAT a little bit better because it has very quickly 458 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: grown into a group of people that um, it's just 459 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: it's a bigger group than I know personally, which was 460 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: my dream was to find you know, have it be 461 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: this easy way for for people who don't know each 462 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: other to find each other. So I'm excited to kind 463 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: of get to know everyone. And you know, we've talked 464 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: about the possibility of you know, maybe trying to figure 465 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: out ways to bring some people together in person, you know, 466 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: to in person event that kind of thing. But for now, 467 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm super excited to just watch it grow 468 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: and figure out the best way for us to all 469 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: get to know each other. Oh cool, Um, what other 470 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: what personal projects are you guys working on other than this, Julia, 471 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: You've been working on a new cookbook. So, uh, the 472 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: tooth thing is, I have a a new cookbook that 473 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: is coming out in the fall, So I'm getting ready 474 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: to get that out there. And it was actually the 475 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: book I was working on and I was on deadline 476 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: for when I had the idea to do Feed the Resistance. 477 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: So I have this on hold for a minute. Um. 478 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: So that fuck is coming out in September and it's 479 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: called Now and Again, and it's super fun. It's all 480 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: menus and then ways to reinvent the leftover um, which 481 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: was really my favorite thing to do. Um. So I'm 482 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: excited about that, and it's just it's a really fun 483 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: kind of creative book and I think we'll just hopefully 484 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: make people really you know, comfortable to cook at home 485 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: and then excited to you know, have something left over 486 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: in their fridge and not you know, I feel like 487 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: it's the same thing again. So that's my thing coming up. 488 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: But then I'm just as excited that holl and I 489 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: have been working together on a on a book proposal. 490 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: Um and I it's a book that I think neither 491 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: of us, I think would be able to do just 492 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: on our own. Um. And the whole process of working 493 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: together has taught me so much about how powerful it 494 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: can be when you collaborate with someone who you know, 495 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: a whole other set of skills and ideas and people 496 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: to your table. Um. Yeah. And how much sort of 497 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: bigger your table gets just to keep the metaphor going. Yeah. Um, 498 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: So for best best, we recently hired a CFO. We're 499 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: in the process of expanding from just the Somali condiment 500 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: to an umbrella condiments from the continent. Um. We're in 501 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: the process of raising our first round of funds at 502 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: the moment. So I'm really excited to expand deeper into 503 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: the grocery stores were already in and get into more 504 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: grocery stores while developing new products. That's where we're at 505 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: right now. Um. And how would you talk a little 506 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: bit about some of the causes that you support through 507 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: the business, um aspiring immigrant women that doctor how A 508 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: up the foundation. Yeah, so just to be super transparent 509 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: we are. We put our relationship on hold with doctor 510 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: had how abd Um because we've had some there's been 511 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: just some terrible things happening in Somalia which is not 512 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: allowed them to communicate UM with us in the last year. 513 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: But we just started speaking again UM. But in the 514 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: meantime we've gotten involved with the company called Zana Africa. 515 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: And ZNA Africa is a nonprofit that supports adolescent girls 516 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: in Kenya, which is where I spent what I would 517 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: call like my formative years. So they one of the 518 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: biggest problems in East Africa at the moment is and 519 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: in developing countries that girls drop out of school as 520 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: soon as they start their period because it becomes an 521 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: extra cost for the parents to buy sanitary napkins for 522 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: the girls. So I've partnered with Zanna Africa to provide 523 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: over ten thousand girls tads every single year. We've done 524 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: one year already and are doing our second year. Now. 525 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: When you keep a girl in school, the higher up 526 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: she gets in education, the less adverse she is for 527 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: like aids in HIV early pregnancy. One of the bigger 528 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: problems in East Africa at the moment is children being 529 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: sold into trafficking, sex trafficking, and so keeping a girl 530 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: in school conducts all of that, and that's something I'm 531 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: really excited to be a part of, and to be 532 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: doing it in Kenya, where so many Somali refugees live, 533 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: brings me such great pleasure. Oh, it's amazing. Um. Do 534 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: you have any words of advice or or dare I 535 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: say wisdom for for people who are looking to get 536 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: involved in their in their own communities. I would say, start, 537 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: even if it's just starting small with a group of 538 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: three people, just start. I think sometimes, especially in the West, 539 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: we we want to do things, but we get stuck 540 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: at wanting to do it. I'd advise anybody interested in 541 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: making any kind of impact, there's so much reward that 542 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: comes from just taking the first step. So do that 543 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: and then from there keep building. L Yeah, I totally 544 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: agree with that. I think, um, just starting is so 545 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: important and of just of really straightforward but really useful advice. UM. 546 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: And I would say from what I've learned just um 547 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: from my own work, is to basically just get involved 548 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: in things you're already doing. UM. Use those as ways 549 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, find your way in. You 550 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: don't have to start something new or do something that's 551 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: totally out of your routine or comfort zone. I think 552 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: if we all focus on things we already do, we 553 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: already spend our time on, we already enjoy, um, and 554 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: we kind of just figure out how to sort of 555 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: turn the volume up a little bit, um, you know, 556 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: to add a little bit more meaning to it. Uh 557 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: And you know, so a good example is I love 558 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,239 Speaker 1: to cook. Um, That's what I love to do. That's 559 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: why I write cookbooks because I just I love to cook. 560 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm my happiest when I'm cooking. So I use food 561 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: as my way of getting involved, you know, whether it's 562 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: cooking for my community. I have like a weekly volunteer 563 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: shift I do for you know, a program that provides 564 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: meals for for people who are chronically ill. Um, whether 565 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, adding a cookbook projects that um, you know, 566 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: amplifies voices that are underrepresented, that you know donates a the 567 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: the proceeds to the a c l U. You know. 568 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: I use food as my way into all of this 569 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,239 Speaker 1: work because it's the thing I love to do, so 570 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: I'll keep showing up for it because it's the thing 571 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: I love. But I do anyway. UM, So I think 572 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: figuring out whatever that is for you. You know, if 573 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: you're a graphic designer, maybe you spend a little bit 574 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: of your time designing you know fires, or or you know, 575 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: any kind of website, whatever it is for for an 576 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: organization that's um, you know, really involved in your community already. 577 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: You know, I think we can all take the skills 578 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: we're already doing UM and just apply them in new ways. 579 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 1: I don't I don't think we have to come up 580 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: with whole new skill sets. How can how can people 581 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: support EAT or or get involved with it? So um 582 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: EAT is at equity at the table dot com and 583 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: you can do a number of ways to get involved 584 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: in support it. You can just come visit the site 585 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: and get to know everyone, UM both mark the site. 586 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: If you are in any position of power, so if 587 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: you're an editor, or you are an author that can 588 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: hire a photographer, or if you run a restaurant and 589 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: you're looking for a new farmer. Um, you know, if 590 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: you're in any position where you can sort of hire someone, 591 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: which is highly suggest taking a look at eat and 592 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: seeing if if there's anyone there. UM you can join 593 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,959 Speaker 1: Eat directly through the site. It's super easy, it takes 594 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: about a minute. UM. We're always looking to grow our community. 595 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 1: You can follow our Instagram feed which is just at 596 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: Equity at the Table. And we also have a I 597 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: don't know if it's pronounced patreon or patreon, UM, we 598 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: have a one of those. UM. So if you want 599 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: to support eat financially, UM, you can make like a 600 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: monthly pledge, which is awesome because even if it's like, 601 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,439 Speaker 1: you know, a dollar a month or something, it really 602 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: helps and helps pay for hosting fees and UM I 603 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: have one part time employee who helps with the Instagram 604 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 1: who's awesome MENI UM, so it helps to pay her. 605 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a number of ways to get involved 606 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: UM to support it, and most importantly, just keep coming 607 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: back to the site and keep coming back to get 608 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: to know everyone. Where can people find the both of you. 609 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: You can find actually both of us on Equity at 610 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: the Table UM, and you can also find me on 611 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter. My handle on both is my last name, 612 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: which is Ruction, and my website is just my name, 613 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: Julia Tursion dot com and all the information about my 614 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: books and everything I work on is right there. Um 615 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: you can find me in New York City. You can 616 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: find bus us at most Hope Foes in New York 617 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: City and all of dian and De Lucas. You can 618 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: also find me on Instagram at h w A Underscore 619 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: twenty two. We we we We've enjoyed it so much. 620 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for talking with us. No, 621 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: thank you, this was really fun. I appreciate it. Thank 622 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: you for having us. Yeah, thanks for being here. This 623 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: is I'm so glad this exists and that you guys 624 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: are doing this work. UM very needed and very important 625 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: to us. So we'll keep an eye on the both 626 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: of you and EAT for sure. And that was our 627 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: interview and I hope that you enjoyed it as much 628 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: as we enjoyed doing it. UM, very very inspirational stuff 629 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: had to have so much. We will definitely be keeping 630 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: an eye on the two of them. So I hope 631 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 1: a lot of you go check out EAT and UM 632 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: look into both Julian Hawaii. They have really cool stories 633 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: like origin stories if you want to check that out. 634 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,439 Speaker 1: It is available on the online but the internet. I'm 635 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: from there. Lauren is from there. I'm pretty sure she 636 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 1: just like digitized one day. I think it says on 637 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 1: her license from Internet. From Internet. Yeah, um, and speaking 638 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: of from the Internet, it's time for listener man than 639 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: some good synchronicity there. Yeah, you're welcome, listeners. This first 640 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: listener mail is from Amberley. She wrote, as Pumpkins are 641 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,279 Speaker 1: one of my all time favorite foods. I loved hearing 642 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,319 Speaker 1: your pumpkin episode. I have this tradition every November of 643 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: rescuing on carved pumpkins from the curve on garbage Day 644 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: that people have been using as decoration and really, I 645 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 1: love you. As soon as November first comes, people start 646 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: throwing out perfectly good food, so I keep an eye 647 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: out and rescue them. I usually collect around ten pumpkins, 648 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: most of which get turned into pumpkin puree and frozen 649 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: to be later used in soups, desserts, sand spread, oatmeal, 650 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: and really just about anything you can throw pumpkin in. 651 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 1: It makes a lot of pumpkin puree. My sister every 652 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: year tries to convince me I don't need any more pumpkins, 653 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: but I just can't let good food go to waste. 654 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: That's beautiful. It really is. I'm going to do that 655 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: next year, and I'm probably going to get in some 656 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: serious trouble with what's it next door? The next door 657 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: that I'm part of is mostly like passive aggressive. I 658 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: think that's what the next door is. That's just what 659 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: it is. I'll be plastered all over it, local girls 660 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: stealing pumpkins from garbage. I look forward to those next 661 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: door stories. I do as well. Megan wrote to us 662 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: on Facebook and said, hello ladies, I love the podcast 663 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: and as a Canadie and was thrilled to hear your 664 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: recent episode about maple syrup. I have a little story 665 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: about the sweet treat myself. When I was sixteen, I 666 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: went on a school trip to France where for one 667 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: week I was blayed in the home of a family 668 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: in Avignon. As a gift, I brought the family some 669 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: smoked salmon, a specialty of the West coast where I live. 670 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,240 Speaker 1: Maybe a future episode, and of course maple syrup. However, 671 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: the family had never seen how would you say that 672 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: they've never seen that before? In the south of France, 673 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: it's common to drink sparkling water mixed with different flavored syrups, 674 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: something like an Italian soda and they assumed this must 675 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 1: be similar. I cannot say that the resulting beverage was 676 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: the highlight of my trip, but it was certainly a 677 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,760 Speaker 1: memorable fusion of provential and Canadian cuisine. I did suggest 678 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: to them that it's more typically used on lick crep 679 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: and crapes, and they promised to bear that in mind 680 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: for the future. Megan also alerted me to a video 681 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,399 Speaker 1: from the Dodo that's being passed around about a cat 682 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: named Potato. And it's a really cute video and if 683 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: you haven't had that come through your feed yet, I 684 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 1: recommend looking it up. I yes, it's a very potato 685 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: looking cat and it's it's doing the best that I can. 686 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: That's all any of us can do. Lauren, Oh, I know, 687 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: keep going on Potato hanging there as the kids poster says, 688 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: we're all rooting for you. We are, We're rooting for 689 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: for everyone today. This is this has been so inspiring, 690 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: it really has um. Thank you to them for writing 691 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: in yes, and for Julian Hawa for being in this episode, 692 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 1: and thanks to all of you for listening. And you 693 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: can write to us as well. Our email is food 694 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 1: Stuff at How Stuff Works. Dot com. We're also on 695 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: social media. You can find us on Twitter and Facebook 696 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,240 Speaker 1: at food stuff hs W stands for how Stuff Works, 697 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: and also on Instagram at food stuff. It's pretty simple. 698 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: Thank thanks further to our super producer Dylan Fagan, who 699 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: just who just appeared gopher like in a much more 700 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: magical way for mind behind the Desk. Thanks again to 701 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: you for listening, and we hope that lots more good 702 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,320 Speaker 1: things are coming your way.