WEBVTT - Little Boy and Fat Man

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host, Jonathan Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an executive producer with iHeartRadio. And how the tech

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<v Speaker 1>are Yet. So this past weekend two films did quite

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<v Speaker 1>well at the box office here in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>And while I could do an episode about Barbie, talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some of the Barbie dolls and various toys

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<v Speaker 1>that have crossed over into the tech sphere and some

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<v Speaker 1>of the issues that those toys created, primarily regarding you know,

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<v Speaker 1>privacy concerns, I thought instead we'd talk about the atomic

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<v Speaker 1>bombs used in World War Two Batman and Little Boy,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, Oppenheimer was also a pretty big hit

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<v Speaker 1>at the box office this weekend. So in World War two,

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<v Speaker 1>the United States dropped two different types of atomic bombs

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<v Speaker 1>on the US hit Hiroshima with a bomb called Little Boy,

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<v Speaker 1>and Little Boy used uranium enriched uranium as the fissionable

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<v Speaker 1>material that would produce the intense energy of the bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the US dropped a bomb on Nagasaki. That

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<v Speaker 1>one was called fat Man. Fat Man had a plutonium core,

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<v Speaker 1>not uranium. But how did these bombs actually work well.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, it boils down to atomic physics. So

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<v Speaker 1>some heavier atoms are unstable, and you know, with the

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<v Speaker 1>right instigating incident or with enough time, the heavier atom

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<v Speaker 1>will split into smaller atoms and release neutrons. Also in

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<v Speaker 1>the process doing this ends up also releasing a tremendous

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<v Speaker 1>amount of energy. Splitting the atom is also called fission,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the type of technology our nuclear power

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<v Speaker 1>play rely upon. The big difference being that in nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>power plants you have a controlled nuclear fission reaction and

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<v Speaker 1>in a bomb, ultimately you have an uncontrolled chain reaction

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<v Speaker 1>that releases a tremendous amount of energy. Now, you do

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<v Speaker 1>get a whole lot of energy just by splitting one atom,

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<v Speaker 1>but you could really get a big release if you

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<v Speaker 1>were able to set up a chain of atomic reactions.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you do that? How did the engineers

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<v Speaker 1>and scientists who worked for the Manhattan Project, because that

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<v Speaker 1>was the name of the project that developed the atomic

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<v Speaker 1>bomb for the United States, how would they guarantee a

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<v Speaker 1>chain reaction? Well, let's talk about those two elements that

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<v Speaker 1>were used in each of the atomic bombs, or rather,

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<v Speaker 1>you know uranium in Little Boy and plutonium and fat Man.

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<v Speaker 1>So the type of uranium that little Boy used was

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<v Speaker 1>uranium two thirty five. Fat Man was dependent upon plutonium

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<v Speaker 1>two thirty nine. Both of these are isotopes, and both

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<v Speaker 1>of these isotopes regularly undergo fission. They are very much

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<v Speaker 1>ready to split apart with the right situation. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>way you start all that is that you shoot the

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<v Speaker 1>isotope with a fast moving particle, essentially a neutron neutrally

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<v Speaker 1>charged particle, sub atomic particle that if you were to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot that at a uranium two thirty five atom and

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<v Speaker 1>it makes contact, Essentially, the two thirty five would absorb

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<v Speaker 1>that neutron and then the atom would split apart and

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<v Speaker 1>in the process also release other neutrons, So that neutron

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<v Speaker 1>strikes the isotope, you get the split, you get more

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<v Speaker 1>neutrons released. If you've got more atoms of that same

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<v Speaker 1>heavy atom, like U two thirty five, packed together, then

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<v Speaker 1>the release neutrons can make contact with those uranium atoms

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<v Speaker 1>and then cause the reaction to continue. So you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to pack enough of these atoms together to increase the

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<v Speaker 1>chances of that happening. You know, keep in mind, like

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<v Speaker 1>when we're talking about atoms like very very tiny stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and subatomic particles even tinier. You've got to pack a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of it together to increase the odds of

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<v Speaker 1>a neutron hitting an isotope. Otherwise, if it doesn't, if

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<v Speaker 1>the neutron ends up being absorbed by something else or

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<v Speaker 1>escapes or whatever, then it doesn't continue the reaction. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to have it set up so it creates the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of domino effect, except we're not talking on one

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<v Speaker 1>to one relationship here. It'd be a domino effect where

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you have a domino that, when you knock

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<v Speaker 1>it over, makes contact with two other dominoes at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, knocking both of those over, which in turn

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<v Speaker 1>make contact with two other dominoes, and so on and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth, so that by knocking one domino over, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately knock over a whole bunch. Same idea here, except

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about isotops. We're talking about individual atoms and

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<v Speaker 1>packing enough of them together so that you do get

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<v Speaker 1>this chain reaction. And once you do that and you

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<v Speaker 1>have nothing there to rain in that chain reaction, you

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<v Speaker 1>get a truly tremendous release of energy in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>So again we use the same sort of process in

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear power plants. But we have tools there and processes

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<v Speaker 1>that allow engineers to control the sequence, this rate of release,

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<v Speaker 1>and that way they can release enough in order to

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<v Speaker 1>generate electricity. So, in other words, they can allow this

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<v Speaker 1>process to occur at a specific rate, and then the

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<v Speaker 1>energy they release in the process they can use to

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<v Speaker 1>generate electricity. I'm actually skipping a step here because the

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<v Speaker 1>energy that gets released ends up essentially being incredibly intense heat,

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<v Speaker 1>which you then use to turn water into superheated steam,

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<v Speaker 1>use that to turn turbines which generate electricity. The steam

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<v Speaker 1>eventually condenses down into water, and then that's in its

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<v Speaker 1>own closed system, and you just keep doing that. But

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<v Speaker 1>in a bomb, you don't have these tools and processes

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<v Speaker 1>to keep it under control. Right. You don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>way of absorbing neutrons, for example, So the whole point

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<v Speaker 1>is to get that uncontrolled chain reaction that, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is not a foregone conclusion. You can't really control where

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<v Speaker 1>a release neutron is going to go, So again, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have the right amount of fissionable material in

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<v Speaker 1>the right density, otherwise your bomb will only release a

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<v Speaker 1>fraction of the energy you were planning on and you

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<v Speaker 1>won't get the effect you were hoping for. It won't

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<v Speaker 1>be nearly as devastating. And the only reason to use

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<v Speaker 1>a weapon as devastating as an atomic bomb or nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>weapon is to convince an opponent to surrender, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>just such a truly devastating weapon, and it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>you can use it to target specifically just military installations

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<v Speaker 1>for example. You're going to be taking out civilian sites

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<v Speaker 1>and innocent people who are not soldiers. So it's a horrible,

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<v Speaker 1>horrible weapon, and the only reason you use it is

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<v Speaker 1>to convince your opponent to surrender. Anyway, in order to

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<v Speaker 1>do that, you have to make sure you've got enough

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<v Speaker 1>fissionable material in your bomb, or else it's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to have the effect you want and the conflict will

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<v Speaker 1>just continue. So you have to reach what is called

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<v Speaker 1>critical mass. This is the mass of fissionable material you

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<v Speaker 1>need in order to start a chain reaction. That mass

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<v Speaker 1>is completely dependent upon things like how much volume the

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<v Speaker 1>fissionable material takes up, which we'll talk about when we

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<v Speaker 1>get to the fat Man. So the more material you have,

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<v Speaker 1>or the more mass you have, the greater the odds

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<v Speaker 1>are that neutrons that get released in this reaction are

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<v Speaker 1>going to hit another heavy atom, another heavy isotope, and

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<v Speaker 1>you've arrived at critical mass when it's likely that a

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<v Speaker 1>release neutron is going to create a subsequent heavy atom

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<v Speaker 1>to split and release more neutrons. Now, finding out what

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<v Speaker 1>it would take to achieve critical mass, that was a

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<v Speaker 1>big part of the work over at the Manhattan Project

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<v Speaker 1>was to actually determine what that would be. How much

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<v Speaker 1>enriched uranium or how much plutonium two thirty nine would

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<v Speaker 1>you actually need in order to achieve this and have

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<v Speaker 1>it be a chain reaction that actually works. So Oppenheimer

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<v Speaker 1>and others, he wasn't the only one, obviously, this was

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<v Speaker 1>a huge team of scientists and engineers who worked on

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<v Speaker 1>the Manhattan Project. They were trying to develop a weapon

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<v Speaker 1>that could initiate an atomic reaction that would rapidly consume

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<v Speaker 1>a core of heavy atoms to generate an enormous destructive

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<v Speaker 1>wave of energy. That was the whole goal, and they

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<v Speaker 1>came up with two different ways of doing that using

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<v Speaker 1>the two different elements of you know, uranium two thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five in one case and plutonium two thirty nine in

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<v Speaker 1>the other. So first we'll talk about uranium two thirty five,

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<v Speaker 1>also known as refined uranium, because most of the uranium

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<v Speaker 1>we encounter naturally on Earth is a totally different isotope.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not you two thirty five, it's uranium two thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>And you might wonder why does that make a difference,

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<v Speaker 1>Like why is one type of uranium useful for weapons

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<v Speaker 1>and the other one isn't. Well to do that, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to talk about isotopes. So an isotope is just

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<v Speaker 1>a form of an element, right, you have, and when

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about isotopes, you're talking about two or more

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<v Speaker 1>forms of the same element. Each isotope of an element

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<v Speaker 1>will have the same number of protons as all the

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<v Speaker 1>other isotopes of that element, right, because if you were

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<v Speaker 1>to add or subtract protons, you would change the element itself.

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<v Speaker 1>It would no longer be the element you started with.

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<v Speaker 1>So the number of protons remains consistent across all isotopes.

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<v Speaker 1>The difference is in the number of neutrons that are

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<v Speaker 1>in the nucleus. So uranium two thirty five has one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred forty three neutrons in its nucleus. Uranium two thirty

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<v Speaker 1>eight has one hundred forty six neutrons, And this might

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<v Speaker 1>lead you to say, well, neutrons are neutrally charged. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why they're called neutrons. They have a neutral charge. How

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<v Speaker 1>does that make it a difference, Like, what difference do

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<v Speaker 1>three neutrons make? Well, isotopes can actually have different chemical

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<v Speaker 1>properties from one another, which is kind of crazy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're talking about two things of the same element, but

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<v Speaker 1>they can have different chemical properties. So uranium two thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five and uranium two thirty eight are both isotopes of uranium,

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<v Speaker 1>but they don't always behave the same way. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>take uranium two thirty eight. Now, I mentioned that to

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<v Speaker 1>initiate nuclear fission, you would fire a neutron at an

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<v Speaker 1>isotope and it would split that isotope up. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you were to fire a neutron at uranium two thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of splitting up, it could just capture that neutron

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<v Speaker 1>and become uranium two thirty nine. So instead of two

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight, you got two thirty nine, but you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get that split. And that means that if uranium two

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight absorbs the neutron and becomes uranium two thirty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no chain reaction because it didn't split apart. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't release more neutrons to cause that reaction to continue.

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<v Speaker 1>So your reaction would go nowhere. You would just have

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<v Speaker 1>uranium two thirty nine now, and that wouldn't do you

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<v Speaker 1>any good. You wouldn't have an explosion. Uranium two thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five is a totally different story. If you fire a

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<v Speaker 1>neutron at uranium two thirty five, you're gonna get an

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<v Speaker 1>atomic split and a whole butt load of energy in

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<v Speaker 1>the process. But here's the thing. Uranium two thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the stuff that's abundant. That's the stuff we can

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<v Speaker 1>find naturally on Earth. Uranium two thirty five makes up

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<v Speaker 1>less than one percent of naturally existing uranium, which meant

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<v Speaker 1>the scientists had to develop a means to refine uranium

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<v Speaker 1>two thirty eight into uranium two thirty five. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take a quick break. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk more about the challenges that the engineers and

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<v Speaker 1>scientists of the Manhattan Project were facing. We're back now.

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<v Speaker 1>During the Manhattan Project, obviously time was ticking. This wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>some R and D project that could just take as

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<v Speaker 1>much time as necessary. There was actually a war on

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<v Speaker 1>there was a concern that access nations could be developing

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<v Speaker 1>their own atomic weapons. So the United States poured a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of resources into this research, and the desire was

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<v Speaker 1>to find a process that would work, and it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter which process it was, So actually the Manhattan Project

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<v Speaker 1>was pursuing different strategies simultaneously. One of the overseers of

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<v Speaker 1>the Manhattan Project was General Leslie Groves, who authorized four

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<v Speaker 1>separate projects to explore how to refine you two thirty

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<v Speaker 1>eight into You two thirty five. And again they wanted results.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't really care which one was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the best. They just needed that uranium. So the scientists

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<v Speaker 1>already knew that standard chemical processes were not going to

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily work to refine You two thirty eight into You

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<v Speaker 1>two thirty five because the two isotopes, while they are different,

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<v Speaker 1>share enough chemical similarities that it just wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a way forward. So instead they looked at methods

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<v Speaker 1>that included liquid thermal diffusion, gaseous diffusion, separating the components

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<v Speaker 1>with the centrifuge, and electromagnetic separation. I should probably do

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<v Speaker 1>an episode really that really focuses on those four specific approaches,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the process here, it just meant that they

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<v Speaker 1>were able to generate enough you two thirty five to

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<v Speaker 1>make a viable weapon. So they finally got enough fissionable

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<v Speaker 1>material to construct a bomb. They did a test bomb, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>but they also put together Little Boy. This bomb worked

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<v Speaker 1>on what was called a gun type device inside of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The bomb itself had a bunch of different elements so

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<v Speaker 1>that it would explode the way the engineers intended. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>it would explode in the air. This was not a

0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.560
<v Speaker 1>bomb that was meant to collide with the ground and

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<v Speaker 1>then explode. That would have limited its destructive capacity. So instead,

0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:35.480
<v Speaker 1>the engineers designed it so that at a specific altitude

0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.960
<v Speaker 1>it would initiate the explosion. So to achieve this, the

0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.840
<v Speaker 1>bomb actually had several systems on board to measure when

0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:46.960
<v Speaker 1>to ignite its explosive charge that would initiate the nuclear

0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.400
<v Speaker 1>reaction inside the bomb. So the explosive charge wasn't the

0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.880
<v Speaker 1>bomb itself. The explosive charge was kind of the trigger

0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.120
<v Speaker 1>to start the nuclear reaction, which then would release the

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<v Speaker 1>truly enormous amount of destructive energy. So the tools they

0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.480
<v Speaker 1>used in order to measure altitude for the bomb so

0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.120
<v Speaker 1>that it would go off at the correct height above

0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:12.640
<v Speaker 1>the target. Included barometric press sensors. Those measure barometric pressure,

0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.480
<v Speaker 1>so they would essentially monitor for the pressure to reach

0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.320
<v Speaker 1>a point that would indicate that it was at the

0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:24.240
<v Speaker 1>right altitude. But they also had radar altimeters on this bomb,

0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and they were essentially shooting down radio waves toward the

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<v Speaker 1>ground and listening back for echos, And when those echoes

0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.080
<v Speaker 1>would indicate that the bomb was at the proper altitude,

0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:40.120
<v Speaker 1>then it would trigger the explosive, the conventional explosive that

0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:45.480
<v Speaker 1>would then lead to the actual nuclear reaction. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you were able to look inside the Little Boy bomb,

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<v Speaker 1>you would see that the conventional explosives were at the

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<v Speaker 1>tail end of the bomb, and they would end up

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<v Speaker 1>driving forward some thick disks of uranium two thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>So these disks, you know, they had a hole in

0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.000
<v Speaker 1>the center of them, and they were at the tail

0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.400
<v Speaker 1>end of the bomb. Like I said, the explosive would

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<v Speaker 1>go off, it would end up propelling these discs forward

0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:19.640
<v Speaker 1>toward the nose end of the bomb, just like a

0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.760
<v Speaker 1>gun would propel a bullet, Like you know when the

0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:28.600
<v Speaker 1>gunpowder inside a cartridge would ignite the gases expanding would

0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.920
<v Speaker 1>push the bullet through the barrel of a gun, similar

0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.880
<v Speaker 1>in that case, except there's no open end of this gun,

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<v Speaker 1>So this stack of thick disks would shoot forward. On

0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the opposite end of the bomb. In the nose end

0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.040
<v Speaker 1>of the bomb would be a stack of uranium two

0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.320
<v Speaker 1>thirty five that were at the diameter, so they would

0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:54.360
<v Speaker 1>fit inside those thick disks. So what happens is you've

0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.080
<v Speaker 1>got these two halves of a core essentially that came together,

0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.320
<v Speaker 1>and now you suddenly had this solid core of uranium

0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:09.000
<v Speaker 1>two thirty five. Also, there was some polonium inside this bomb.

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<v Speaker 1>The polonium would actually act as the release of neutrons

0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.640
<v Speaker 1>that would start the whole reaction going. So the conventional

0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.240
<v Speaker 1>explosives were necessary to get the kinetic energy that would

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<v Speaker 1>then launch this nuclear fission process that quickly became an

0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:32.040
<v Speaker 1>uncontrolled chain reaction and would release an enormous amount of energy.

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<v Speaker 1>In total, the Little Boy contained sixty four kilograms of

0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:45.720
<v Speaker 1>enriched uranium. That's a lot of uranium, and the explosion

0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:50.000
<v Speaker 1>it generated was the equivalent of fifteen kilo tons. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you hear explosives being talked about in kilotons or megatons,

0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.359
<v Speaker 1>whatever it may be. That's actually talking about how many

0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:01.760
<v Speaker 1>tons of TNT it would take to get an equivalent

0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.919
<v Speaker 1>release of energy. So fifteen kilotons means you would need

0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:13.080
<v Speaker 1>fifteen thousand tons of TNT to get the equivalent explosion. So, yeah,

0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:19.240
<v Speaker 1>you had this bomb that at the right altitude would

0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:22.280
<v Speaker 1>have a gunshot essentially go off inside the bomb, the

0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.400
<v Speaker 1>two halves would come together, some neutrons would get released,

0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the nuclear reaction would immediately follow. You would get an instantaneous,

0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:35.760
<v Speaker 1>uncontrolled chain reaction. And this truly tremendous amount of energy

0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.879
<v Speaker 1>released overhead of the city because again they thought that

0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.560
<v Speaker 1>if they could release the energy in the air, they

0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:46.400
<v Speaker 1>would cause way more damage. It's hard to get your

0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.640
<v Speaker 1>mind wrapped around how much damage you're talking about. At

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<v Speaker 1>ground zero, where Little Boy exploded, there was a zone

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<v Speaker 1>of around like zero point thirty six square kilometers that

0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:01.800
<v Speaker 1>was just totally devastated. That was total, total destruction. Buildings

0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:06.359
<v Speaker 1>were leveled, Any buildings that were remain standing had such

0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:11.520
<v Speaker 1>structural damage that they were unstable. It would be possible

0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:16.280
<v Speaker 1>to have survived in that blast zone initially anyway, if

0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:22.080
<v Speaker 1>you were in a truly strong, stable structure underground really,

0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.040
<v Speaker 1>so like if you were at the bottom of a

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<v Speaker 1>really solid parking deck that wasn't just completely crushed by

0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the energy of this explosion, you could have survived the

0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.679
<v Speaker 1>initial blast potentially. However, there would be other issues, like

0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.359
<v Speaker 1>the intense amount of radiation would certainly cause problems that

0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:47.560
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be just the concussive force of this energy radiating outward.

0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:52.600
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, pretty much at ground zero, you would have

0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:57.480
<v Speaker 1>people who likely would not survive either with the structures.

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<v Speaker 1>Beyond that, you would have a zone that would be

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<v Speaker 1>called like a moderate damage zone that could extend out

0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.399
<v Speaker 1>to a radius of around a mile or one point

0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:11.440
<v Speaker 1>six kilometers from the point of detonation. Here you would

0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.880
<v Speaker 1>still have substantial damage to structures. Some of them might

0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.120
<v Speaker 1>remain standing, but a lot of them would be leveled.

0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:20.479
<v Speaker 1>And depending upon where you were at the moment, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you were in a stable structure, you might have

0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.400
<v Speaker 1>made it through. You might have survived within that moderate zone,

0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.719
<v Speaker 1>but you would likely be in need of urgent medical

0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.719
<v Speaker 1>attention due to other things. Like you got to remember,

0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:37.080
<v Speaker 1>this explosion, it would create a like a fire ball

0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:39.600
<v Speaker 1>or a wall of fire really that would extend out

0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:43.240
<v Speaker 1>very quickly, and it was intense enough to vaporize you

0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:47.080
<v Speaker 1>if you were just outside. I mean, it was incredibly

0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.920
<v Speaker 1>intense energy. Beyond the moderate zone, then you have the

0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:55.120
<v Speaker 1>light damage zone. This could extend ten miles out from

0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.639
<v Speaker 1>ground zero. And even in this light damage zone, you

0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:04.199
<v Speaker 1>could have, you know, an increase in air pressure that

0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.840
<v Speaker 1>would cause all the windows to shatter. From there, you know,

0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:11.199
<v Speaker 1>you might have more or less superficial damage from the

0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:16.280
<v Speaker 1>actual physical blast, but again you still have the issues

0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 1>with radiation, and obviously the damage would create other problems,

0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:25.119
<v Speaker 1>like you would get fires, and it would wipe out utilities.

0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Truly devastating weapon. I know I'm using that word a lot,

0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:33.880
<v Speaker 1>but I can't think of a word that's more fitting. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually really hard to estimate how many people died

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<v Speaker 1>from the detonation of Little Boy. There's a pretty huge

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<v Speaker 1>span of estimates here, Like on the low end, on

0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:50.080
<v Speaker 1>the low end of estimates, it's around seventy thousand who

0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:52.760
<v Speaker 1>died as a result of Little Boy exploding. On the

0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.280
<v Speaker 1>high end, you're talking one hundred and forty thousand, twice

0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:57.840
<v Speaker 1>as many. It's a really tough question to answer. For

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. Japanese authorities didn't have a really good handle

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<v Speaker 1>on how many people were living in these cities in

0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:08.359
<v Speaker 1>the first place, so it's hard to say, you know,

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:13.040
<v Speaker 1>how many people were missing afterward. And then they're also

0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:15.480
<v Speaker 1>tougher parts of the question, like do you just count

0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the deaths that happened as a result of the initial

0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:23.000
<v Speaker 1>blast or the fires that were produced as part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>What about other hazards that were more long term, where

0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:32.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, it wasn't initially from the explosion, maybe it

0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:36.520
<v Speaker 1>was in the hours or days or weeks that followed it,

0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:39.919
<v Speaker 1>or if you're talking about radiation, what about the months

0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:43.640
<v Speaker 1>or years that followed. So it does make it very,

0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.919
<v Speaker 1>very very hard to estimate the number of deaths, but

0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.159
<v Speaker 1>clearly it was in the tens of thousands, and potentially

0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:54.359
<v Speaker 1>well over one hundred thousand, just or Hiroshima. All right,

0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:56.400
<v Speaker 1>we're going to take another quick break. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about fat Man and Nagasaki. Okay, So I

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<v Speaker 1>had mentioned that Little Boy used enrich uranium as its

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:21.200
<v Speaker 1>fissionable material. Fatman used plutonium, and this meant that the

0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:25.439
<v Speaker 1>method that Little Boy used to initiate that nuclear reaction,

0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:29.720
<v Speaker 1>that gun method wouldn't have worked with fat Man. It

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.919
<v Speaker 1>would actually have caused the bomb to undergo spontaneous vision

0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:36.280
<v Speaker 1>before the gun mechanism could even fire, which means the

0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:38.359
<v Speaker 1>bomb would lose a lot of its energy before it

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:42.600
<v Speaker 1>could even explode. So again, you wanted to maximize the

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:44.840
<v Speaker 1>effectiveness of this weapon, or at least that's what the

0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.680
<v Speaker 1>scientists and engineers wanted to do, because the whole purpose

0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:52.600
<v Speaker 1>was to create a weapon so terrible that your opponent

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:57.199
<v Speaker 1>surrenders rather than risk being hit by it again. So

0:23:57.280 --> 0:23:58.920
<v Speaker 1>the team had to come up with a different way

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:03.879
<v Speaker 1>to have the mechanism explode. So one of the problems

0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 1>that they faced was actually that they needed to use

0:24:06.720 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 1>plutonium two thirty nine, but their reactors couldn't create pure

0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 1>plutonium two thirty nine flawlessly. They kept creating trace amounts

0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 1>of plutonium two forty and plutonium two forty that isotope

0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:25.359
<v Speaker 1>is more prone to spontaneous fission than plutonium two thirty nine.

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.199
<v Speaker 1>So what they needed was they needed a way to

0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:34.119
<v Speaker 1>have a subcritical mass of plutonium. They needed it so

0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 1>that it would not spontaneously undergo fission because the atoms

0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 1>would be too widely spaced apart so you needed to

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:46.760
<v Speaker 1>be subcritical until the moment when you needed to initiate

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:50.640
<v Speaker 1>the nuclear reaction. Then you needed to somehow make this

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 1>subcritical mass become a critical mass. So their approach was

0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:02.640
<v Speaker 1>to surround a subcritical plutonium core with essentially a globe

0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:05.879
<v Speaker 1>of conventional explosives. So think of like, you know the

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Earth has an iron core. Well, this was a explosive

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:15.440
<v Speaker 1>globe with a plutonium core. And the conventional explosives were

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 1>designed so that they would ignite simultaneously and they would

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:25.120
<v Speaker 1>explode and collectively create this tremendous pressure on the plutonium

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.440
<v Speaker 1>core in the center implosion. In other words, that would

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:32.320
<v Speaker 1>end up squeezing this plutonium core and increasing its density,

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and that is what would push the plutonium core from

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:40.880
<v Speaker 1>being subcritical to critical by essentially physically squishing all those

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 1>atoms closer together. Now, your subcritical plutonium mass is a

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:49.040
<v Speaker 1>critical plutonium mass, and that means that once that nuclear

0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:53.879
<v Speaker 1>fission reaction can start, you've got yourself your chain reaction. Now,

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>this was a really efficient weapon. It was much larger

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:02.160
<v Speaker 1>than Little Boy because you needed way more conventional explosives. Right,

0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the gun method only needed a relatively small amount of

0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 1>conventional explosives to bring the two halves of the uranium

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 1>core together, but the fat Man bomb needed a lot

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 1>more conventional explosives to create that concussive blast that would

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 1>create the implosion. So the Fat Man was much larger

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>than the Little Boy, but it needed less fissionable material.

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:30.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, the Little Boy needed sixty four kilograms of

0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>uranium two thirty five. Fat Man only needed six point

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>four kilograms of plutonium. And while the Little Boy bomb

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>produced a fifteen kiloton explosion, fat Man yielded a twenty

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 1>one kiloton blast. So not only did it require less

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:57.119
<v Speaker 1>fissionable material, it had a larger energy output. Despite that

0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.520
<v Speaker 1>more powerful blast, the estimates of casualties and not Kasaki

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 1>are much lower than for Hiroshima. Still, we're still talking

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands of people, so I don't want to

0:27:08.920 --> 0:27:11.359
<v Speaker 1>suggest that it wasn't many. It was a lot, It

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 1>just wasn't as many as what we saw in Hiroshima.

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.639
<v Speaker 1>So on the low end, we're talking around forty thousand

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 1>people killed by this bomb. The high end puts that

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>at seventy thousand. So if we add both of those

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 1>events together, then the estimate of deaths ranges from one

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:31.159
<v Speaker 1>hundred ten thousand on the low end to two hundred

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.920
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand on the high end. The demonstration of such

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 1>destructive power was more than effective enough to force Japan

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>to surrender, because really, think about it, these were just

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:47.879
<v Speaker 1>two attacks, and they were just carried out by two bombers,

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:52.639
<v Speaker 1>and those two bombers killed more than one hundred thousand

0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>people at the low end of estimates. That is a

0:27:56.640 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 1>truly grim kind of evidence to show that weapons capabilities.

0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>And it would mean that if you know, if you

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 1>extended that and you thought, well, what if an entire

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 1>fleet of bombers were to fly over a country carrying

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 1>lots of those bombs, think of the devastation that would mean, Like,

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 1>you have no choice but to surrender. That was the

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 1>thought process, and it's exactly what did happen. But it

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 1>also launched countless debates about whether or not the US

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 1>was justified in using such incredibly powerful and deadly weapons

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.479
<v Speaker 1>in an effort to end the war. Like the argument was,

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:38.239
<v Speaker 1>if we don't use the weapon, the war continues, and

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>who knows how many people die. If we do use

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.560
<v Speaker 1>the weapon, a whole bunch of people die, but the

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>war ends. Like it. It's a really tough dilemma that

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>I cannot easily dismiss. I mean, I certainly am anti bomb.

0:28:53.920 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I am not pro bomb even in the slightest But

0:28:57.280 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, it is very hard to figure

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 1>out what's the right approach if the opponent is not

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 1>already leaning towards surrender. And this conflict could go on indefinitely,

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>which means that the number of casualties is impossible to calculate.

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>It does get very hard. Oppenheimer himself was obviously deeply

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>conflicted over all this. On the one hand, he and

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 1>the team at the Manhattan Project had really cracked technical

0:29:30.120 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and scientific challenges that were standing in the way of

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 1>creating an atomic or nuclear explosion. This was never a

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:42.840
<v Speaker 1>foregone conclusion. It was a really challenging thing to do,

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>and they were able to achieve an incredible advance in

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<v Speaker 1>science and technical ability. But on the other hand, the

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<v Speaker 1>devastating effects of the bomb weighed heavily on him. He

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<v Speaker 1>very much struggled with the knowledge of how many died

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<v Speaker 1>as a result of the explosion of those bombs, and

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<v Speaker 1>it led to him opposing nuclear development and proliferation. He

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<v Speaker 1>foresaw an era of nuclear proliferation, in which you know,

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<v Speaker 1>countries would be compelled to develop nuclear weapons in a

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<v Speaker 1>way to act as a deterrent and protection against nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>capable countries, and in fact, that is what happened. And

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<v Speaker 1>for those of you who are around my age or

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<v Speaker 1>older who remember the Cold War and the age of

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear proliferation, there was just this sort of constant, ominous

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<v Speaker 1>possibility of nuclear conflict that hung over us, that made

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<v Speaker 1>its way into pop culture entertainment, and it was something

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<v Speaker 1>that people would occasionally talk about and probably not talk

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<v Speaker 1>about for too long because it was very disturbing. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly where we went. It's where Oppenheimer kind of

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<v Speaker 1>assumed the world would go, in that you had to

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<v Speaker 1>develop this weaponry in an effort to protect yourself against

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<v Speaker 1>those who already had it at their disposal. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you had this sort of concept of mutually assured destruction

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<v Speaker 1>where a nuclear capable country could assure that it would

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<v Speaker 1>be able to destroy another nuclear capable country if nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>war were to happen, which theoretically would prevent nuclear war

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<v Speaker 1>from ever happening, because to initiate nuclear war would mean

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<v Speaker 1>you would know that you were you know you were

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<v Speaker 1>committing your entire country to destruction. So not a cheerful

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<v Speaker 1>way to approach conflict resolution obviously, and also not always

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<v Speaker 1>an effective way. We saw something very similar happen with

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<v Speaker 1>conventional war and leading up to World War One, and

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't work because people's you know, these countries started

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<v Speaker 1>to develop very powerful militaries with the thought being that

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<v Speaker 1>that would dissuade any kind of war within the continent

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<v Speaker 1>of Europe, and of course that that's not what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So very scary. Also, I think it's relevant today because

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<v Speaker 1>not only do we still have to worry about nuclear weapons,

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<v Speaker 1>but we also have been talking a lot about AI

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<v Speaker 1>and how AI has become kind of another arms race,

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<v Speaker 1>and that there's this concern that even if a country

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<v Speaker 1>decides specifically to stay away from incorporating AI into military

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<v Speaker 1>processes and equipment and strategies, some other country may not

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<v Speaker 1>have that reluctance, And so if they do that, could

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<v Speaker 1>they end up having a military advantage? And can a

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<v Speaker 1>country afford to give other countries that military advantage, which

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<v Speaker 1>then drives the need to you know, embrace AI everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've already seen that that can be a really

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<v Speaker 1>scary thing. So yeah, I think Oppenheimer is just as

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<v Speaker 1>relevant today. Like I think that his story and the

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<v Speaker 1>story of the Manhattan Project and the conflict within the

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<v Speaker 1>teams at Manhattan Project, I think it's still very much

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<v Speaker 1>relevant today. We're seeing the same sorts of discussions and

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<v Speaker 1>debates play out in the AI space, and yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>scary stuff. It's scary and it's not easy. Like again,

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<v Speaker 1>I am personally anti like weapons that kill lots and

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<v Speaker 1>lots of people, especially people who have no direct connection

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<v Speaker 1>with conflict. I'm very much against that. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>can't pretend like I have the solutions that would lead

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody joining hands and singing songs unless it really

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<v Speaker 1>is as simple as buying everybody a coke. I was

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<v Speaker 1>taught in the seventies, and that's all it takes. I

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<v Speaker 1>remain skeptical, but I have to admit I haven't tried

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<v Speaker 1>it because I don't I don't live in that tax bracket.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I ever do, I'll give it a shot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got to be better than developing massive weapons. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you were all well, I'm curious how many of

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<v Speaker 1>you went to see either Barbie or Oppenheimer. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>made it out to either, not because I didn't want to,

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<v Speaker 1>but because when I started to look for tickets, I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't find seats together in a place that wasn't way

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<v Speaker 1>off to the side or way in the front. And

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<v Speaker 1>I go to so few movies. I just can't. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't put myself in a position where I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible crick in my neck trying to watch a film.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm waiting a little bit longer so i can

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<v Speaker 1>see I am playing seeing both of them. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a desire to see both of those movies.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you did see them, I'm curious what you

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<v Speaker 1>thought you can reach out to me. We still have

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<v Speaker 1>a well, I guess now it's an x account. Used

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<v Speaker 1>to be called Twitter, but Elon must change that to x.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk about that more tomorrow. That's called tex stuff

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<v Speaker 1>HSW If you want to send a message there, although

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<v Speaker 1>I may not even see it because it's hard for

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:06.080
<v Speaker 1>me to log into that account. Now, you can just

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<v Speaker 1>tweet at me or x at me whatever it's called now.

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<v Speaker 1>My handle is John Strickland. That's j o En Strickland.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can also find me on threads and if

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<v Speaker 1>you're on Blue Sky. You can find me there too,

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<v Speaker 1>John Strickland and all of those. And hope you're all well,

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