1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back to The Insiders, Tom Telisero, Ian Rappaport, Part 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: two of our Monday podcast edition of the show. If 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: you were looking for part one, or you can listen 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: to part two first. Just if you want the news 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: updates plass on the injuries, go over to part. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: One right here. 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: We're going to go rapid fire through a bunch of 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: the wild games and wild finishes that we saw throughout 9 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: the NFL on Sunday. Let's start ab out with one 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: ian that was not, frankly all that competitive, the Vikings 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: and Bengals. The first start for Carson Wentz Isaiah Rodgers, 12 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: who to this point in his career was probably best 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: known as one of the players who had served a 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: year long suspension for gambling. He had been on Vikings roster. 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: They've had a lot of moving parts, but kept doing 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: through the offseason. They were excited about him because like 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: the first player ever to score a fumber turn touchdown 18 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: a pick six and. 19 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: Create a third turnover. 20 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: And oh yeah, Carson Wentz, who was on the couch 21 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: like three weeks ago. 22 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: Went out and played pretty well. 23 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, first of all, on the Isaiah Rodgers thing, He's 24 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 3: only making like six or something million dollars this year, 25 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 3: like gets a pretty cheap deal, and I have so 26 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 3: many questions about it, and not just that it's such 27 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: an amazing value for the Minnesota Vikings. 28 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 4: The Eagles. 29 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 3: Hit almost everything. The Eagles are on it almost all 30 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 3: the time, and to not re sign him seems like 31 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 3: a very rare miss for the champs. He is a 32 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 3: really good, opportunistic, fun player, and you're right, Like, you know, 33 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: when I hear or see the name Isaiah Rodgers, I 34 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: immediately go back to the year's suspension and then he 35 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 3: ended up getting signed. I'm like, that's weird. I thought 36 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 3: he was probably done, but must be a pretty good player. 37 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 3: He is a pretty good player. I think Brian Flores 38 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: has kind of unlocked him and that is a great 39 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: value fined for the Minnesota Vikings. And you know, PFF, 40 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: I think does a really nice job. Their rankings are 41 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: not for everyone. They are not one hundred percent, but 42 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: generally you get a good feel for how good a 43 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 3: player is, right like, usually it's on it or relatively close. 44 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: They ranked him as their highest performing player ever, which 45 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: is whatever. 46 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: It is pretty amazing. I think that's pretty cool. 47 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: The flip side of this course, is this was the 48 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: first Bengals game without Joe Burrow. It's a complete and 49 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: total disaster. The question that becomes is this a aberration 50 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: or is this a sign of the direction the season goes. 51 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: I remember a player one time, and I always think 52 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: about this quote with games like this, which was I 53 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: asked him after the game, like, what happened? 54 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 2: It was just a blow loss. 55 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: He's like, sometimes games just go to bleep immediately and 56 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do about it. That was one 57 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: of those games for the Bengals. Everything that could go 58 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: wrong did go wrong. Vikings went right down the field. 59 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: The Bengals defense actually rose up for several possessions after that, 60 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: but then they didn't even have to you know, you 61 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: didn't even have to see the Vikings offense because they 62 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: were scoring defensive touchdowns. Here. 63 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: I don't I don't come away from. 64 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: That going they got to blow up the whole plan 65 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: and make a trade for a quarterback or anything else. 66 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: There's clearly things that they've got to they've got to 67 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: clean up, and they've got to you know, the bar 68 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: for what they have to do without Burrow is just 69 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: that much higher, and that game kind of emphasizes Yeah. 70 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: I'm sort of with you a little bit, like sometimes 71 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: when the game just goes completely haywire right off the jump, 72 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: like I don't know how much we can take of it. 73 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: Like sometimes crushing losses are worse than like you just 74 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: got beat by million. 75 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, just forget that. 76 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: You know, it's like the whole Bury the tape thing, 77 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: which has sort of become a cliche, like there is 78 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: something behind that, because it's like sometimes if it's that bad, 79 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: it's like, dude, just onto the next. I personally think 80 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: the Bengals are going to be okay. The Bengals think 81 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: they're going to be okay when you have a backup quarterback, 82 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: like it's got to go perfect to win, and when 83 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: it doesn't. 84 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 4: Go perfect, you're probably gonna lose. 85 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 3: So I think the Bengals can be good enough to 86 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: where they can stay alive for Borough to come back 87 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: in December, but to do it, they have to be 88 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: absolutely perfect. I just want to go back quickly. Carson 89 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: wentz Is that was awesome and then footballiyes whatever. Like 90 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: he grew up rooting for the Vikings. The whole family 91 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: was all excited abou him signing. He had chances to 92 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: sign other places. But basically, and this is like a 93 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: little bit paraphrasing, but was like, I only want to 94 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 3: go to the Vikings, like that's. 95 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 4: The spot, and I mean, they're so good there. 96 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: They're just so good that like, he better watch out 97 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: or he's going to end up with another opportunity to 98 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 3: start next year. 99 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what the total is for quarterbacks now 100 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: off the top of my head that Kevin O'Connell has 101 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: won a game with, but it's a bunch. He's used 102 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: a lot of different quarterbacks and had to win. Carson Wentz, 103 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: you talked about the guys who were with Kyle Shanahan 104 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: or Sean McVay for yere the Vikings are becoming that 105 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: place where hey, come in, Sam Darnold, Yeah, spend a 106 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: little bit of time here and you're going to go 107 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: out and get paid later. Another game that was just 108 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: non competitive was the Panthers Falcons game. The Falcons beat 109 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: the Vikings in Minnesota the previous week to get shut 110 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: out thirty to nothing. You never want to make too 111 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: much a single game, and certainly not an early season game, 112 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: but that was probably the worst we've seen. Michael Pennock's 113 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: play through the course of his young career. Here, they've 114 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: got way too much talent to get shut out by anybody. 115 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: Kudos to Adrio o'vero and the Panthers defense. They're starting 116 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: young guys. Nick Scorton made his first start. I mean, 117 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: they balled out in that game. But if you're Atlanta, 118 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: the bar has to be higher than this, and clearly 119 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: there's some things that they're going to need to change 120 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: up here moving forward. 121 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would also say, like we you spend the 122 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: first little part of the season establishing who's good and 123 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 3: who's not. At least my brain does, right, Like, all right, 124 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: this team, we sort of thought they'd be not that great. 125 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: All Right, they're not that great, you know. Like it's 126 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 3: a good reminder, like, all right, maybe we don't know everything. 127 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 3: Like I would say for the I would say for 128 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: the Carolina Panthers, let's hold off on what they are 129 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: because like they made a lot of upgrades in the offseason. 130 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 3: Their defensive coordinator is still really good. They should be 131 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: better upfront on both sides. Like maybe they're going to 132 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 3: be okay. And I think that if Bryce Young is okay, 133 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 3: then the whole organization should be okay. 134 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 4: And let's hold off on what they are. 135 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: The Falcons like, I sort of think that was more 136 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 3: like the Bengals, Like, They're not this bad at all. 137 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: They just have a terrible day and lost to someone. 138 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure they hated everything yesterday. Losing to 139 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: those guys like that's awful, but that's the way it 140 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 3: goes sometimes. 141 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: Commanders one going away against the Raiders without their starting quarterback. 142 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: We would need a whole other podcast to talk about 143 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: the Las Vegas offense and what's happened since Week one 144 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: against New England. I was there. They looked pretty competent. 145 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: They don't have big name guys, but Gino has not 146 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: played well over the past couple of weeks. I'm struck 147 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: by how Washington seems to kind of be finding their way. 148 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: They've got such a veteran roster. It's an older roster. 149 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota went out and played pretty good football. He 150 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: almost killed dan Quinn accidentally sideline here and now as 151 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: we're recording this, dan Quinn at the podium saying Jayden 152 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: is still day to day. They've not yet come up 153 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: with what the practice plan is going to be. It's 154 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: early in the week, it's Monday Ian, But do you 155 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: anticipate we see Jayden Daniels next week? 156 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it's sounding like to me that they 157 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: went into last week believing that Jayden Daniels would play 158 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: this week, that his injury was pretty minor, and then 159 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: he would probably be okay, and that just have him 160 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,119 Speaker 3: sit out a week and then come back okay. 161 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 4: So I do believe that's the plan. 162 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: I would also say, and you know this sort of 163 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I think mac Jones was going to start 164 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 3: with the forty nine ers anyway, but you see him 165 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: do that and you're like, all right, Brock can rest 166 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: another week. Like I would say the same thing for Mariota, 167 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: like he look good. If Jaane's not perfect, like no 168 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: big deal, like they bought them some time. The win 169 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: is nice, like start the backup quarterback, let your starter heel, 170 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 3: Like that's you know, it's like not to go back 171 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: to the forty nine ers, but like the good the 172 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 3: organization that are perennially good and the commanders haven't been, 173 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: but they look like they're gonna get there. They are 174 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: good enough and sounds enough structurally to be like, all right, 175 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 3: we can withstand if our best players don't play a game, 176 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: and I think that's a very good sign for. 177 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: Washington or for the insiders. 178 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: After this, the other theme of the third Sunday of 179 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: the NFL season. 180 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: Was block kicks. 181 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: We had three of them in a like a real 182 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: time span of like eight minutes. 183 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: Honestly, like the early games were not super compelling, they 184 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: just weren't. 185 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 4: It was they went haywire, low scoring games. 186 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: But they went wild. 187 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: If you go to part one of the podcasts, you 188 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: can hear we talked with Stacy Dales, who was in 189 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: Cleveland where the Packers seem to be completely in control 190 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: and then they have a bad interception and they have 191 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: a blocked kick that sets that up. This is in 192 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: the same span where the Eagles win on a walk off, 193 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: big guy touchdown that didn't even need to be a touch. 194 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 3: There's no name for it, right, Like I know, fix 195 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 3: sticks is a thing that we don't have a name for. 196 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: This this is beyond it. Jordan Davis. 197 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: I think our research people said he was like the 198 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: fourth heaviest player to ever have a touchdown of over 199 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: seventy yards in a game. I'm surprised he's not number one. Frankly, 200 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: this is great athleticism. 201 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: Are our boy. 202 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: Mike Er blocked that team right that he's never never 203 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: had to run like that since he ran his forty. 204 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: He's moving, man, get him a goal line package. Pretty good. 205 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 4: He really Jordan Davis. 206 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: I know this isn't what we're talking about, but like 207 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 3: I sort of wondered whether Jordan Davis would make He's 208 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: such a big guy, and they have such great talent 209 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: around them, and you're sort of like Jalen Carr. I mean, 210 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: they drafted Jalen Card who obviously is a huge talent 211 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: in himself. You're sort of like, all right, maybe they 212 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 3: don't think Jordan Davis is working out. He has gotten 213 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: very good shape and remounted very nicely, and I think 214 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: is going to probably make himself some real money. You must, 215 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: first of all, you must have been happy with the 216 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: Special teams chaos. You love special teams in a way 217 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: that I certainly do not. That was a absolutely bonkers segment. 218 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: I also it's kind of nice too, because like kickers 219 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: have gotten so good. We're like, guy lineup from fifty 220 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: four and you're like, all right, obviously he's gonna make this, 221 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 3: and so like, you know whatever, Like this was a 222 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: pushback against kickers just getting to do whatever they want, 223 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 3: and I was here for all of it. 224 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: The other part of that game, too, was the Eagles 225 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: are getting booed. The offense did not look good, it 226 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: seemed to me. And he never want to make too 227 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: much of like momentum or specific points in the game, 228 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: but it seemed like AJ Brown getting into the end 229 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: zone and then AJ Brown having that play where he 230 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: catches the ball and starts breaking tackles. He's always been, 231 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: in my mind, one of the greatest tone setters in 232 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: the NFL, going all the way back to Tennessee where 233 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: they didn't throw the ball much, but when he would 234 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: get it and he would start punishing people, it had 235 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: this way of juicing up the sideline and opening up 236 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: everything else for Derrick Henry at the time, that to 237 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: me was kind of a turning point in that game 238 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: where you're like, what's their answer going to be? How 239 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: does aj Brown once again have like one catch for 240 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: seven yards and then all of a sudden, on a 241 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: day where Saquon Barkho was held under three yards per carry, 242 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: the passing game kind of came alive for Philly. 243 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of agree with you on that, and 244 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 3: it really does make you think that if you're an 245 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 3: offensive cordon and there's a lot of different ways that 246 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: they're really good ones can think about it and Kevin 247 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 3: Batulo might absolutely be a great one. But it's just 248 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 3: sort of getting started on that journey. Just get your 249 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 3: really good players to football, Like because of all the 250 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: different things. One like a j Brown's awesome, So if 251 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 3: you want to get a lot of yards, get the 252 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 3: ball to your awesome player. But also like players really 253 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: do feed off of it, like they really do. When 254 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 3: your dude is getting the ball and being the one 255 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: that's productive, like everyone kind of feels it. And I 256 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: could sort of see that too. I also think it 257 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 3: eliminates like a little bit of the weirdness of it, 258 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: like when he has, you know, one catch for seven yards, 259 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 3: like you can live, you can win, you know, there's death, 260 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 3: it's you can be okay, but it's everyone feels it 261 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 3: and he's on the sideline and he's not happy, and 262 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: you know the next week in the locker room is 263 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 3: going to be like you know what, the questions. It's 264 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 3: just like if you get your good players the football, 265 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: everything gets a little bit easier. 266 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 4: I also anyway, if you can deal with. 267 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: Philly as like a coach or a player or anything, 268 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: you can deal with anything, because they are the champs 269 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 3: and they are still really good, and it's totally fine 270 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 3: that they're just getting booed like crazy and everyone's like, oh, 271 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: that's Philly. It's like, yeah, that's that's Philly. But you 272 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 3: got to you gotta be able to handle it to 273 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: thrive there. 274 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: You know, I believe we are now down to six 275 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: undefeated teams in the NFL. The Eagles are one of them. 276 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: This week they face another one of them, the three 277 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: and ohero Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That was the third block 278 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: kick in that very short period of time by the. 279 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: Team that lost the game. It was by the Jets. 280 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: We got to see Will McDonald, who the big story 281 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: when he was at the Senior Bowl a couple of 282 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: years ago, was and I found it cause I talked 283 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: about it on TV. Down there on the sideline, great 284 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: great graphics right there. Will McDonald would jump over cars 285 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 1: for fun. He would There were all these videos of 286 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: him like, not over like the hood, over the car, 287 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: he would like jump over SUVs. I've never seen anything 288 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: like it. He then announced, after getting drafted he had 289 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: retired from jumping over cars, jumping over offensive lineman not 290 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: even that impressive in context, but this was still you know, 291 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: this is one of the presents that Joe Douglas in 292 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: the prior regime left behind was one of the freakiest 293 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: athletes we've ever seen. You love him on defense, but 294 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: when he does stuff like that on kick block, it's 295 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: a pretty cool thing to happen in your pocket. 296 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, I keep thinking about, like, so that's illegal, Well, 297 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: that's not illegal, but it's illegal to launch yourself over 298 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 3: to use another player to launch yourself that. 299 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 2: Can't use leverage. 300 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: You can't push off the guy, you can't push down 301 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: on him, and you can't land on people. But if 302 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,479 Speaker 1: you can just slot out jump over him, that is permitted. 303 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: Right, which applies to basically no one but not actually 304 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: no one. And so I was just thinking throughout the time, 305 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: like I wonder, you know, how people are going to 306 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 3: stop this, because like I don't understand why he wouldn't 307 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: be able to do that all the time. I guess 308 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: theoretically you could do is have somebody stand up would 309 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: be the way to do it, but like. 310 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: Well, no, the the way that you stop it with 311 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: him specifically. Yes, it's gonna be hard. The way the 312 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: most teams stop it is these guys don't know what 313 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: they're doing. They're not going to have athletes. They're going 314 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: to land on somebody. They're going to get a penalty, 315 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: which we've seen a bunch of those, you know, even 316 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: recently in the NFL. It's just yeah, go ahead and 317 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: try it. It's not gonna work. With Will McDonald. I 318 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: have to imagine that the Buck special teams coordinat will 319 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: be looking at that, uh through the or see me 320 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: whoever the Jets are playing this week, their special teams 321 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: coordina will be looking at that through the course of 322 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: this coming week. But that also set up the third 323 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: consecutive Baker Mayfield led comeback drive to win, and I 324 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: talked about it on game day morning yesterday about like 325 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: the way that they do it. So basically every Thursday, 326 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: their wide receivers coach Brian mcclennan will present They spend 327 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: like upwards of fifteen minutes on it, which doesn't seem 328 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: like a lot of time, but in the course of 329 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: like the very regimented game planning week, it's a good 330 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: chunk they'll go through all the two minute stuff with 331 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: the entire skill group go over like here's the main 332 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: coverages that the opponent plays, all this stuff, and they 333 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: go in the quarterback room they talk about, you know, exactly, like, 334 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: all right, what are the best plays? They come with 335 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: a really small menu and as Josh Grizzard in the 336 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: ear of Baker Mayfield talking about, Hey, not just what's 337 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: the next play call, but hey, this one we got 338 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: to get out of bounds. Hey, here's what we're going 339 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: to do after this snap. The way they've got the 340 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: communication down seems like it's really really good. You don't 341 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: want to live in too many situations, but if you 342 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: have to, it's better to be. 343 00:15:59,160 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: Really good at them. 344 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: And oh yeah, sometimes you just got bake being bake 345 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: out there. And he continues every week the show. How 346 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: how cool and calm for a guy who gets as 347 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: fired up as Baker Mayfield does. He is so at 348 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: home make a big time throws like that to a 349 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: Mecca Buca with the game on the line. I mean, 350 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: it's it's remarkable when you watch how Baker operates in 351 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: those those high pressure types of situations. 352 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it really is so perfect for someone like 353 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 3: you know, he obviously is pretty fiery. Now he's chill 354 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: in other ways, but he's pretty fiery. It actually lends 355 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: itself to his skill set because he can just be quick, decisive, 356 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: uh you know, find the read. He likes hit it 357 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 3: knowing that in two minutes. The defense also can't be 358 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: as complicated, as they have to go fast as well. 359 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 3: They get to get the call and it's all fast. 360 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 3: He seems to be like sort of perfect for that situation. 361 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 3: A Mecca Buca. By the way, that catch on the 362 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 3: side and there's a juggling catch on that juggling catch 363 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: that did they get that too? I can't even remember that. 364 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 4: They not even review it. 365 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 3: And then I went looked at it this morning and 366 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 3: like probably should have been a catch just based on 367 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 3: my eyeballs. 368 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: I mean that wild part about it a Mecca book 369 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: is like you talk to people in the draft process 370 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: like I do, and just kind of the scouting the 371 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: plus's minuses, Like the downside of a Mecca Buka in 372 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: part was just like the explosiveness. Is he going to be, 373 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, able to do those special things? Like he 374 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: was the good, solid, really smart guy comes from a 375 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: great program, but like you know, the the upside of 376 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: like a Ted Roll McMillan, who I would fully anticipate 377 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: it is going to make plays as this season goes on. 378 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: But it was like, well, that's that's just in a 379 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: different category. Ebuk is like the safe guy. He doesn't 380 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: look like the safe guy right now. 381 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: He looks like one of the best players in the 382 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 2: league at the position. 383 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: He's been unbelievable and by the way, probably isn't even 384 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: playing one hundred percent because he's been dealing with that 385 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: that roin issue that he had over the last couple 386 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: of weeks too. 387 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's I'm really curious to see what 388 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 3: he becomes. 389 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 4: The pre draft process is the best. 390 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I know you love it like I love it, 391 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: But guys just sort of get painted into sort of 392 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 3: what people think they are. And like, you know, is 393 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: he like the fastest guy on earth? Is he a 394 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 3: game breaker? 395 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 4: Like? I don't know, but certainly productive enough. 396 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 3: And you know, however long Mike Evans ends up playing 397 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 3: for the Bucks, maybe this is last year. Like he 398 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 3: sort of as intimated they got some they got some 399 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 3: weapons to take his place. 400 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: Mike Evans will see MRI on Tuesday. Sounds like Corey 401 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: to toa bowles. They're thinking it's a lower grade hamstring, 402 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: not as bad as some of the ones in the past. 403 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: Would be good news. They still have Chris god Went 404 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: out there. They still have Jeling McMillan out there. There 405 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: are guys come back and Tristan WARF's they're left tackle. 406 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: They're getting those guys back. Yeah, sometime over the next 407 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: four to six weeks here, so some boosts coming real quick. 408 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: Monday Night Football. We got Lions and Ravens tonight. Ian 409 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: two of the teams that the last couple of years 410 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: have been looked at as among the favorites in their 411 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 1: respective conferences. Both went through some bumps. In the Ravens 412 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: case is shootout loss to the Bills. In the Lions case, 413 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: just kind of a flat performance Week one against the Packers. 414 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: What are you looking for tonight? 415 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 3: I'm looking for about thirty five Fantasy points from Derrick Henry. 416 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 4: It's not asking for that money. 417 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 2: Say I need the same thing. 418 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: I need Derek Henry to outscore Jared Goff in a 419 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: non PPR league, which if you look at the estimates, 420 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: that's pretty close. It's very outscore. Just I think I'm 421 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: down one point. We need like one and a half 422 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: more than Jared Goff. 423 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 4: I think that my opponent's done. I need thirty five 424 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 4: from Henry, which he's done before. 425 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 3: Ins aggressives aggressive, But like you know, all we need 426 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: to do is just break three like sixty yard touchdown 427 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: runs cerly Derek Henry is capable of that. I would 428 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 3: say my sense on the Lions has been there going 429 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 3: to be a work in progress till probably like mid year. 430 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: Like they had, you know, for a team that kept 431 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 3: its head coach, obviously, they had almost unprecedented staff turnover 432 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: and teaching wise, that's really hard, and then they lost 433 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 3: a lot of their great offensive linemen. 434 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 4: And so. 435 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 3: You know, I would say it's probably gonna take a 436 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 3: minute for them, but I expect them to be good eventually, 437 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 3: which is why tonight you sort of wonder how it 438 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: could go because the Ravens are not like that. 439 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: Ravengs are just just really good. 440 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: So I think it's gonna be a real challenge for 441 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 3: the Lions, but I'm for sure looking forward to it. 442 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: Lions, by the way, just put Marcus Davenport on injured reserve, 443 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: so some continued pass rush issues. There a lot to 444 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 1: come here on NFL Network over the next seven days. 445 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: We're the Dublin well not us, Judy's there, We're not. 446 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: So Steelers are going to be there. That game live 447 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: exclusive on NFL Network next Sunday, bright and early, nine 448 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: thirty am Eastern Time. And again you can catch the 449 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: Insiders everywhere, five days a week on the podcast and 450 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: on YouTube Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday to mem Eastern Time on 451 00:20:59,280 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: NFL Network. 452 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 2: For Ian, I'm Tom. We'll see you next. 453 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: Jome