WEBVTT - Episode 1: “You Cannot Save Me From All Things”

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. I found out about the missing women through a

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook post. I hike a lot, mostly around Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 1>and always alone. I don't like to talk where my

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<v Speaker 1>heavy boots are rhythmically pounding the switchback trails. I use

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook groups called things like Girls who Hike and Ladies

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<v Speaker 1>who Hike LA for trail recommendations and safety tips. Sometime

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<v Speaker 1>in the summer of twenty twenty, someone shared a news

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<v Speaker 1>article in one of these groups and warned us all

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<v Speaker 1>against hiking alone. In Idlewild, a mountain town about one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles from me, five women had gone missing in

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<v Speaker 1>the past two months.

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<v Speaker 2>Idlewild is a really small community and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people know each other there, so when people ended up

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<v Speaker 2>going missing, it was this kind of it was odd.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Diana Fettter. She knows a thing or two

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<v Speaker 1>about crime. She worked as a secret service agent for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three years investigating financial fraud. Diana was living in

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<v Speaker 1>the Idleworld area when the disappearances began.

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<v Speaker 2>So when that started happening, you know, all of us

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<v Speaker 2>girls were kind of saying, Okay, well, we're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to go anywhere without somebody else if it's dark outside,

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, bring somebody with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Idlewild is nothing like La. The town is tucked away

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<v Speaker 1>in the San Jacinto Mountains. Its official mayor is a

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<v Speaker 1>golden retriever named Maximus Mighty Dog Mulla third. Really that's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of town. It is a tourist playground, a

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<v Speaker 1>mile high paradise offering an a dilic escape from the city.

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<v Speaker 1>Its main street is lined by ice cream shops, kitch

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<v Speaker 1>gift stores, and cute carved wood and bears. So all

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<v Speaker 1>these women disappearing was pretty big news. And because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a journalist, and because I just really wanted to know

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<v Speaker 1>what happened, I figured I'd just start making some calls.

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<v Speaker 1>It took me months, but eventually I managed to track

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<v Speaker 1>down a friend, a granddaughter, a mother of every single

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<v Speaker 1>missing woman, and I've found out what happened to them.

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<v Speaker 1>One woman was elderly with dementia. She got a loss

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<v Speaker 1>and her car was found abandoned on a steep mountain side.

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<v Speaker 1>Her remains were later discovered nearby. Three women were battling

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<v Speaker 1>meth addictions. They'd run away from trouble, just packed up

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<v Speaker 1>and left. There was an explanation for all of them

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<v Speaker 1>except for one, a woman named Lydia Kenchilo Abrams, who

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<v Speaker 1>was known as Dia.

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<v Speaker 2>When Dia went missing, it was a whole nother ballgame.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is one of our own.

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<v Speaker 1>Dia was a woman whose story refused to be tied

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<v Speaker 1>up in this neat little ending. She was a glamorous,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five year old widow of a millionaire with two

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<v Speaker 1>kids in San Diego, horses and a ton of property.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. I admired the heck out of her. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>tell you. She's a woman who was confident about herself,

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<v Speaker 2>always giving compliments to others, always telling other people they

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<v Speaker 2>were beautiful and how wonderful they were. But at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, this petite woman could open up a can

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<v Speaker 2>of wood bass like no one I've ever seen. She

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<v Speaker 2>had no problem calling people out if she felt they

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<v Speaker 2>were lying to her, or they were doing something wrong

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<v Speaker 2>or not being good people, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>They seemed an unlikely pair. Diana is a motorbike riding,

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<v Speaker 1>leather wearing Southerner who also calls herself Lady Fed and

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<v Speaker 1>Dia the blonde, blue eyed Californian. But when they met,

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<v Speaker 1>Diana says, they clicked immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>She was a private person and she wasn't one to

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<v Speaker 3>make friends with a lot of people easily, so if

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<v Speaker 3>she allowed you in her little circle, then she felt

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<v Speaker 3>that you were worthy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when Dia went missing, idle world wasn't the same,

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<v Speaker 1>not for Diana or another woman in town, Julie Stamford,

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<v Speaker 1>along with Dea, they've made this little trio, this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of girl gang, like the kind you'd see at high school.

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<v Speaker 2>Julie and I have spent hours and hours and hours

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<v Speaker 2>going over every scenario that it could possibly be, and

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<v Speaker 2>we came down to the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>She did not leave ever on a court.

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<v Speaker 1>I've spent the past four years investigating what happened to Dea,

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<v Speaker 1>and if there's one thing I've learned, it's this, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't like unanswered questions. When someone goes missing, they leave

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<v Speaker 1>a vacuum, and everyone left behind scrambles to fill that

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<v Speaker 1>space with reasons why, or explanations of how to make

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<v Speaker 1>sense of things, anything to achieve that neat little ending

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<v Speaker 1>that I too was looking for when Dia went missing.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't get to tell her own story. Her narrative

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<v Speaker 1>has been crafted by friends, family, lovers, and yes, even enemies,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's left to us to decide whose version of

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<v Speaker 1>events we believe. This isn't just a story about Dea.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also a story about everyone she left behind. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Lucy Sheriff, and this is Where's Dea? Episode one? You

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<v Speaker 1>Cannot save me from all things? That wasn't much about

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<v Speaker 1>Dea Abrams out there, Like her friend Diana said, she

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be a private person. But I did come

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<v Speaker 1>across a video by a local CBS reporter, David Godfredson.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd interviewed a man named Keith Harper, who said he

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<v Speaker 1>was DIA's fiance. It's a bit hard to make out

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<v Speaker 1>David's questions in the video. It was twenty twenty, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>so he was wearing a mask. But Keith diligently responds

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<v Speaker 1>with short to the point answers, and you had plans

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<v Speaker 1>to marry her?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 6>Twenty fourth of July, then, where Jackson hole lie on me.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith and the reporter were sitting across from each other

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<v Speaker 1>at Bonita Vista Ranch, DEA's sprawling home. Bright green trees

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<v Speaker 1>and sunshine filled the frame around Keith. He had a craggy,

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<v Speaker 1>rugged face, the face of someone who's been out in

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<v Speaker 1>the sun his whole life. Why do you want to Marryer?

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<v Speaker 5>She's an awesome person. She's the person that I have

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<v Speaker 5>looked for all my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched his body language. His right blue eyes flitted

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<v Speaker 1>around as he described his efforts to look for Deer.

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<v Speaker 1>The interview was posted on YouTube. There were a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of comments, and many of them were not sympathetic. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple. He knows way more than he's letting up.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't trust that old man, and even this guy

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<v Speaker 1>has the perfect opportunity to get away with murder. The

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<v Speaker 1>reporter asked Keith if he had anything to do with

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<v Speaker 1>DEA's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 6>How can you prove that? I can prove that because

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<v Speaker 6>I love the woman, I have no reason to bring

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<v Speaker 6>harm to her.

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<v Speaker 5>I love that woman.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to speak with Keith Harper myself. I struggled

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<v Speaker 1>to find his contact details online and eventually I went

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<v Speaker 1>up to Idleworld and asked around. There were a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of missing persons posters on wooden notice boards around the town.

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<v Speaker 1>One of them had DEA's face on it. There were

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<v Speaker 1>two numbers listed, one for a Julia and the other

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<v Speaker 1>one for A Harper. Oh, hi, is that mister Harper? Yeah, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>my name's Lucy Sheriff. So I called him and I wondered,

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<v Speaker 1>if you would be willing to talk.

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<v Speaker 6>To me quickly, What questions do you have?

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously I had a lot. We talked for almost an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>I found out he likes to be known as Harper,

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<v Speaker 1>and so from now on, that's what I'll call him.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me he was still searching for Dea, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was worried that she was going to be forgotten

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<v Speaker 1>by the police, that she'd just become another cold case.

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<v Speaker 1>The hardest part, he said, was not knowing.

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<v Speaker 5>You can deal with, yeah, if there is a death,

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<v Speaker 5>or you can deal with she left on her own.

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<v Speaker 7>Cord is her choice.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>I can deal with that.

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<v Speaker 5>I can deal with all of that, But not knowing.

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<v Speaker 7>The hollow.

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<v Speaker 6>You have a heart blind.

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<v Speaker 1>Harper was an open book. He didn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>anything like the guy who'd appeared on the CBS interview.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember feeling this immense sympathy for him. He sounded

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<v Speaker 1>so heartbroken. I can't imagine how difficult it must be

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<v Speaker 1>to not know.

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<v Speaker 5>And unless you've been here's something like that, you'll know her. Know,

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<v Speaker 5>you'll never ever ever now because it leaves tip genyrk

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<v Speaker 5>stomach and in your heart that never gets healed.

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<v Speaker 1>Harper told me, do you knew how to use a gun?

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<v Speaker 5>I keep going back. This was independent, she.

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<v Speaker 3>Was capable.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I've watched her kill rattlers. I watched her

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<v Speaker 5>kill five rattlers one day, and she has no clear

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<v Speaker 5>now I mean the girl and next to one NA

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<v Speaker 5>shoot it.

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<v Speaker 1>A glamorous blonde who carried a gun shot at Rattlesnake's

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<v Speaker 1>and ran a sprawling ranch. I mean Dea kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sounded like a badass. But over these years I've peeled

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<v Speaker 1>back these layers, and she was a complicated character. Even now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like Dea refuses to be summed up in one

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<v Speaker 1>neat sentence. She doesn't fit into any classic archetypes or

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<v Speaker 1>tidy cliches. Every new person I've spoken to opened another

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<v Speaker 1>door to another possibility about what might have happened. Every

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<v Speaker 1>conversation raised another version of events that didn't quite add up,

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<v Speaker 1>another puzzle piece that didn't seem to fit. Deer disappeared

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday, June sixth, twenty twenty. I've revisited that one

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<v Speaker 1>weekend over and over because everyone has their own account

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<v Speaker 1>of how things went down at beneath a Vista Ranch,

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<v Speaker 1>DEA's one hundred and fifteen acre gated mountain Paradise. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to come back to these couple of days a

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<v Speaker 1>lot throughout the season, so pay close attention. The timeline

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<v Speaker 1>of the day Deer went missing is spotty, to say

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<v Speaker 1>the least, but there's one thing we know for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Around nine am on Saturday, June sixth, Dea went over

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<v Speaker 1>to a neighbor's house to deliver cinnamon rolls. The door

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<v Speaker 1>cam footage was later leaked to CBS.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, for the first time, we are seeing video of

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<v Speaker 5>the former La Joya resident, recorded just hours before she vanished.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched the grainy picture in its eerie silence. Deer

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<v Speaker 1>wearing an oversized, chunky black shirt, her long blonde hair loose,

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<v Speaker 1>ringing on the doorbell, a box of rolls in hand.

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<v Speaker 1>When Dea realizes her neighbor isn't going to answer, she

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<v Speaker 1>puts the box on some kind of ledge next to

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<v Speaker 1>the door. The whole scene is ringed with a black

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<v Speaker 1>circular border, like I'm looking through a fish eye lens

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<v Speaker 1>watching DEA's final known movements. Dea walks away, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>The one other thing I know for sure from that

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<v Speaker 1>day is at around two thirty pm, Deer texted Diana,

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<v Speaker 1>her motorcycle riding friend, about window cleaner recommendations because she

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<v Speaker 1>was renting out some of her properties.

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<v Speaker 4>She was happy as heck.

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<v Speaker 2>We had her house lined up for Airbnb and we

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<v Speaker 2>were getting hits on it.

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<v Speaker 1>You might be wondering why would the widow of a

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<v Speaker 1>millionaire be doing the airbnb hustle, And that's a great

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<v Speaker 1>question with a pretty complex answer that I'll fully get

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<v Speaker 1>into later. All you need to know for now is

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<v Speaker 1>that Dea felt she was not in a good place

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<v Speaker 1>financially or by some accounts, emotionally. She was in a

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<v Speaker 1>dispute with her children over the estate of her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>who had died a few years prior. So on June sixth,

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<v Speaker 1>Dea texted Diana, and I've seen those messages, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it all goes dark. That's the last evidence I have

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<v Speaker 1>of what Dea did that day, because everything that happened

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday after that string of texts is according to Harper.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, you know, it seemed to be a typical day,

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<v Speaker 7>but I was pushing hard to get ready to go

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<v Speaker 7>to Colorado. And so you know, we we were making

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<v Speaker 7>sure that everything was being prepared. And I remember I

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<v Speaker 7>was down in the meadal morning the metal, and it lunchtime,

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<v Speaker 7>which was two o'clock for us because we didn't need breakfast.

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<v Speaker 7>Health probably around Ken picking in it too. We had lunch,

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<v Speaker 7>and she did it. Have you got a minute, I

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<v Speaker 7>can talk to you. And I wish that I had listened,

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<v Speaker 7>because you know, she had talked about how she felt

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<v Speaker 7>there was a risk with her children.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Harper and Diana, Deer was scared of her children.

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<v Speaker 1>It was all to do with this battle over her

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<v Speaker 1>late husband's estate. The kids wanted it all, and they

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<v Speaker 1>might go to extreme lengths to keep not only all

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<v Speaker 1>of their father's money, but Deer's multimillion dollar ranch. Two

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<v Speaker 1>Also her friends told me.

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<v Speaker 7>And if anything, I can't pass that off, thinking that

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<v Speaker 7>her children would not do anything to her. And she said,

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<v Speaker 7>you have a minute, I can talk with you. And

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<v Speaker 7>I said, hone can the cock to see me? I said,

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<v Speaker 7>I've got the medal to do, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 7>take me till dark. I find you're done. I leave

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<v Speaker 7>go back to the metal at four thirty. I did

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<v Speaker 7>not get this text because I was on the tractor

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<v Speaker 7>and I did not hear it, but she texted me

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<v Speaker 7>at four point thirty and what she said is, Harper,

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<v Speaker 7>you cannot save me from all thinges even if you

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<v Speaker 7>believe you can you can.

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot save me from all things. Even if you

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<v Speaker 1>believe you can, you can't. I've never seen this text.

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<v Speaker 1>I've asked, but Harper told me the police took his

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<v Speaker 1>phone and won't give it back. According to his version

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<v Speaker 1>of events, he came in from mowing the meadow at

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<v Speaker 1>seven fifteen pm and dere was nowhere to be seen.

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<v Speaker 1>He thought she was out exercising her horses.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, I got well.

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<v Speaker 3>Call her, seeing what it tells you it.

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<v Speaker 7>I called and that I could hear her phone ringing upstairs.

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<v Speaker 7>So I go upstairs, thinking she was up there because

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<v Speaker 7>sometimes she gets migraines and she'll lay down. But she

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<v Speaker 7>was not anywhere in the house, but her phone was

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<v Speaker 7>plugged in, her purse was sitting on the kitchen counter.

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<v Speaker 1>He says. He then went to see if DEA's truck

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<v Speaker 1>was outside.

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<v Speaker 7>And when the truck was still parked where it was,

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<v Speaker 7>then I started the new a search of the properties.

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<v Speaker 1>Harper told me he searched other cabins and various sheds

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<v Speaker 1>and storage units on the property, and that in the

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<v Speaker 1>early hours of the morning, he stopped searching and went

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<v Speaker 1>to bed. The next day, Deer was still nowhere to

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<v Speaker 1>be found, making Harper the last person to see her alive.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, obviously, when you're the last person, I've always

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<v Speaker 5>become the suster.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back. Early on Sunday morning, when Harper

0:18:41.862 --> 0:18:46.062
<v Speaker 1>woke up, Deer was still missing. Her phone, purse, and

0:18:46.142 --> 0:18:49.902
<v Speaker 1>truck were all at the ranch. Harper says he continued

0:18:49.902 --> 0:18:51.702
<v Speaker 1>his search immediately.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's when I went. I talked to the highway

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<v Speaker 7>control and he said, harpe Gee, call the sheriff. And

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<v Speaker 7>he said, I'll tell you what. They don't have to

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<v Speaker 7>do anything for her. I'll be seventy hours before they act.

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<v Speaker 7>Because people show up, they just disappear, and many of

0:19:08.982 --> 0:19:11.702
<v Speaker 7>them come back within that timeframe, so they don't get

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<v Speaker 7>really excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get into what happened next, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>take a minute to address the idea that you have

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<v Speaker 1>to wait a certain amount of time to report someone missing.

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<v Speaker 1>You've probably heard of it on a TV show or

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<v Speaker 1>in a movie, but it's complete rubbish. You can report

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<v Speaker 1>someone missing right away. After Harper spoke to the California

0:19:34.102 --> 0:19:39.942
<v Speaker 1>Highway Patrol officer, news began to spread. Diana Fetta, DEA's friend,

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<v Speaker 1>got wind that Harper was trying to get in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with her.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was able to call him and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on, because well, she didn't come home last night.

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<v Speaker 4>Is she with you? I said, no, she's not with me.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's typical of Dea.

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<v Speaker 2>If she didn't want to go home, she'd either spend

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<v Speaker 2>the night with a friend or she'd spent the night

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<v Speaker 2>at her corner valley house.

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<v Speaker 1>At eight twenty four am on Sunday, a call was

0:20:03.342 --> 0:20:06.542
<v Speaker 1>made from the ranch to the cops to report a

0:20:06.542 --> 0:20:10.862
<v Speaker 1>missing person. I'm not sure him made that call, but

0:20:10.902 --> 0:20:15.502
<v Speaker 1>the cops don't show until later the following day. Meanwhile,

0:20:15.782 --> 0:20:20.022
<v Speaker 1>Diana rallied a search party, army veterans who belonged to

0:20:20.102 --> 0:20:24.502
<v Speaker 1>her motorcycle club, DEA's Idlewild friends, and neighbors from a

0:20:24.582 --> 0:20:26.302
<v Speaker 1>Christian youth camp across the road.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was pretty quick when people all started showing up.

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<v Speaker 2>We all started making phone calls trying to get people

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<v Speaker 2>to come over and help.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the people who were searching, assumed Deer had

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<v Speaker 1>gone off hiking and just hurt herself.

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<v Speaker 2>She's either up the hill, you know, walking up the

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<v Speaker 2>hill and she got lot, or she could hurt herself

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<v Speaker 2>and she can't come down.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a growing list of clues that made

0:20:53.062 --> 0:20:56.822
<v Speaker 1>this seem unlikely. Her phone and her guns were at

0:20:56.822 --> 0:21:01.182
<v Speaker 1>the house, things she always took hiking, and there was

0:21:01.222 --> 0:21:04.942
<v Speaker 1>something else that was very off. Deer's dog, Ruby was

0:21:04.982 --> 0:21:08.862
<v Speaker 1>still there. Ruby was a mixed mutt white with black spots,

0:21:09.262 --> 0:21:13.422
<v Speaker 1>colgy sized. She was ill too, on a very specific

0:21:13.462 --> 0:21:15.502
<v Speaker 1>diet and lots of medication.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the number one thing. She would never

0:21:18.462 --> 0:21:21.822
<v Speaker 2>have left Ruby at all. She always took Ruby everywhere.

0:21:21.822 --> 0:21:24.942
<v Speaker 2>I don't care where she went, even to her attorney's office,

0:21:24.982 --> 0:21:26.902
<v Speaker 2>she brought Ruby. If she went to the store, she

0:21:26.982 --> 0:21:29.342
<v Speaker 2>brought Ruby. If she was going to low she brought Ruby.

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<v Speaker 1>The search was well underway when DEA's thirty year old son,

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton Abrams, showed up at the ranch with some friends.

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<v Speaker 4>And I had never met him before, and.

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<v Speaker 2>All I could think about is, I'm looking at this

0:21:47.342 --> 0:21:51.542
<v Speaker 2>young guy that you know, looks like a college frat boy.

0:21:54.182 --> 0:22:03.222
<v Speaker 2>He's not crying, He's not like overly emotional. Everybody went

0:22:03.342 --> 0:22:07.422
<v Speaker 2>searching for Dia, he didn't do anything. He just stood there.

0:22:08.582 --> 0:22:11.982
<v Speaker 2>So it was it was like, well, if my mom

0:22:12.622 --> 0:22:15.982
<v Speaker 2>or my dad or my child or whoever was missing,

0:22:16.022 --> 0:22:17.862
<v Speaker 2>I'd be out there. I'm not going to just stand

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<v Speaker 2>here and wait for somebody to bring me news. But

0:22:19.862 --> 0:22:24.902
<v Speaker 2>he just stood there like he wanted people to pity him.

0:22:25.502 --> 0:22:29.422
<v Speaker 2>You know, he didn't act like an individual who was

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<v Speaker 2>worried about their mother's welfare.

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<v Speaker 4>Period.

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<v Speaker 1>I've spoken with Clinton, by the way, he described his

0:22:37.382 --> 0:22:40.862
<v Speaker 1>actions that day very differently. You'll hear from him later on.

0:22:41.782 --> 0:22:44.742
<v Speaker 1>But in the meantime, the search party had no luck

0:22:44.822 --> 0:22:50.062
<v Speaker 1>finding any trace of Dea. Soon people began to disperse.

0:22:51.462 --> 0:22:54.782
<v Speaker 1>Later that night, Diana says she got another call.

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<v Speaker 2>I had gone home and Harper was calling and he

0:23:00.342 --> 0:23:03.622
<v Speaker 2>was upset, and I said, are you going to be okay?

0:23:03.622 --> 0:23:05.182
<v Speaker 2>And he's like no. I said, do you need me

0:23:05.222 --> 0:23:07.182
<v Speaker 2>to come out there? And he goes, do you mind?

0:23:07.302 --> 0:23:09.382
<v Speaker 2>I said, no, that's fine. So I came out and

0:23:09.462 --> 0:23:13.862
<v Speaker 2>I sat at the house and he was kind of

0:23:13.902 --> 0:23:17.622
<v Speaker 2>like a zombie, you know, like acted the part of

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<v Speaker 2>like something's long.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, Diana stayed over at the ranch. It's now Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>June eighth, two days since Deer was last seen, and

0:23:31.502 --> 0:23:35.142
<v Speaker 1>there was no sign of the cops. Any officer will

0:23:35.182 --> 0:23:38.262
<v Speaker 1>tell you that the first forty eight hours is crucial

0:23:38.382 --> 0:23:42.022
<v Speaker 1>in a missing person's case. It's when investigators have the

0:23:42.022 --> 0:23:45.542
<v Speaker 1>best chance of following up on leeds because the information

0:23:45.622 --> 0:23:48.902
<v Speaker 1>is fresh in everyone's minds. It's the best chance you

0:23:49.022 --> 0:23:53.582
<v Speaker 1>have of finding somebody. And yet the cops wait until

0:23:53.582 --> 0:23:58.822
<v Speaker 1>Monday afternoon to arrive on the scene. And before they

0:23:58.902 --> 0:24:02.102
<v Speaker 1>even get to the ranch, Harper says, they called him

0:24:02.222 --> 0:24:03.182
<v Speaker 1>to say they were coming.

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<v Speaker 7>They call me and they tell me that they are

0:24:08.542 --> 0:24:11.702
<v Speaker 7>gonna be there at age thirty in the morning. When

0:24:11.702 --> 0:24:14.662
<v Speaker 7>they get there, they said, we will were shutting the

0:24:14.782 --> 0:24:17.862
<v Speaker 7>lanes down and we will take over the church. If

0:24:17.862 --> 0:24:19.982
<v Speaker 7>you got anything, you may want to get it mo

0:24:20.262 --> 0:24:22.742
<v Speaker 7>because anything that's on the property will stay there.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to three people who were there that day

0:24:26.862 --> 0:24:30.142
<v Speaker 1>who all said the cops didn't show up until the afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>and when they finally did show, Diana says, they made

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<v Speaker 1>some frustrating decisions.

0:24:37.622 --> 0:24:43.182
<v Speaker 2>Well, they immediately came onto the property and kicked everybody off.

0:24:44.022 --> 0:24:47.462
<v Speaker 4>You know, didn't look.

0:24:47.302 --> 0:24:50.102
<v Speaker 2>Around at anybody or say, okay, well who's the person

0:24:50.142 --> 0:24:53.822
<v Speaker 2>that contacted the Sheriff's department, or Hey, who's Diana, or hey,

0:24:53.862 --> 0:24:55.102
<v Speaker 2>who's this person?

0:24:55.702 --> 0:24:56.982
<v Speaker 4>They didn't even take my name.

0:24:58.382 --> 0:25:02.502
<v Speaker 1>Diana was especially upset because people started leaving without being

0:25:02.622 --> 0:25:03.742
<v Speaker 1>questioned by the police.

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<v Speaker 4>What you know.

0:25:07.142 --> 0:25:09.062
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was never a police officer, but I was.

0:25:09.142 --> 0:25:15.262
<v Speaker 2>I'm a federal agent for twenty three beers, and I

0:25:15.462 --> 0:25:19.302
<v Speaker 2>felt that the investigation could have been handled.

0:25:19.302 --> 0:25:23.022
<v Speaker 4>Better by the way.

0:25:23.702 --> 0:25:26.302
<v Speaker 1>I've spoken with other people who were on the ranch

0:25:26.382 --> 0:25:28.822
<v Speaker 1>the day of the search and who said it took

0:25:28.902 --> 0:25:33.222
<v Speaker 1>the Riverside sheriff Department three years to get in touch

0:25:33.302 --> 0:25:37.382
<v Speaker 1>and ask them what they saw. Anyways, when the cops

0:25:37.382 --> 0:25:40.542
<v Speaker 1>called off their search that night at ten thirty five pm,

0:25:40.982 --> 0:25:43.862
<v Speaker 1>they handed over the keys to the entire ranch to

0:25:43.982 --> 0:25:48.862
<v Speaker 1>Clinton and Chrissara, DIA's children. The cops left behind an

0:25:48.942 --> 0:25:53.102
<v Speaker 1>affidavit and a search warrant for the ranch. I found

0:25:53.102 --> 0:25:58.262
<v Speaker 1>something surprising in those documents. A second address was listed

0:25:58.982 --> 0:26:03.022
<v Speaker 1>Diana Fedder's house. I haven't been able to confirm with

0:26:03.062 --> 0:26:07.502
<v Speaker 1>the cops whether they searched her property, she says they didn't.

0:26:07.982 --> 0:26:10.862
<v Speaker 1>It did make me wonder why would they want to

0:26:10.902 --> 0:26:16.782
<v Speaker 1>search her house. I also read through the list of

0:26:16.862 --> 0:26:21.622
<v Speaker 1>all the items the potential evidence that the cops had confiscated.

0:26:22.582 --> 0:26:26.222
<v Speaker 1>There was a netgear router, which, among other things, would

0:26:26.262 --> 0:26:28.862
<v Speaker 1>have info about which cell phones were connected to the

0:26:28.902 --> 0:26:34.382
<v Speaker 1>Wi Fi and any activity from security cameras. There was

0:26:34.422 --> 0:26:37.262
<v Speaker 1>a piece of toilet paper, a band aid, and tan

0:26:37.382 --> 0:26:42.222
<v Speaker 1>bed sheets which the cops noted might have bloodstains on them.

0:26:42.382 --> 0:26:48.382
<v Speaker 1>There were spent bullet shell casings, and lastly, two handwritten notes.

0:26:51.862 --> 0:26:55.462
<v Speaker 1>I was desperate to know more about this evidence. Spent

0:26:55.502 --> 0:27:00.102
<v Speaker 1>bullet casings, handwritten notes. It felt tantalizing to be this

0:27:00.422 --> 0:27:03.102
<v Speaker 1>close and yet not know the significance of it all.

0:27:03.782 --> 0:27:07.182
<v Speaker 1>But the police won't share any more information. In fact,

0:27:07.622 --> 0:27:10.062
<v Speaker 1>I've had little luck getting much of the cops at all.

0:27:10.822 --> 0:27:15.062
<v Speaker 1>I've emailed, called, texted, and they've been so tight lipped

0:27:15.502 --> 0:27:18.702
<v Speaker 1>about what happened that weekend and their investigation at large.

0:27:19.422 --> 0:27:26.142
<v Speaker 1>It's been incredibly frustrating. You'd think the first person the

0:27:26.142 --> 0:27:29.542
<v Speaker 1>cops would question would be Harper. After all, as he

0:27:29.582 --> 0:27:32.782
<v Speaker 1>said himself, the last person to see a missing person

0:27:32.822 --> 0:27:38.742
<v Speaker 1>alive is usually a suspect. But they didn't actually let

0:27:38.742 --> 0:27:43.382
<v Speaker 1>me make that clear. They couldn't question Harper because sometime

0:27:43.422 --> 0:27:47.582
<v Speaker 1>on Monday morning, before the cops show up, Harper left.

0:27:48.622 --> 0:27:52.302
<v Speaker 1>He took off for New Mexico in his white Ford

0:27:52.422 --> 0:27:57.062
<v Speaker 1>motor home with Deer's dog, Ruby, who, according to DEA's friends,

0:27:57.662 --> 0:28:03.262
<v Speaker 1>Harper didn't even like. I asked Harper about this.

0:28:04.502 --> 0:28:07.502
<v Speaker 7>Well, well, I had a cash bill I had to

0:28:07.502 --> 0:28:10.022
<v Speaker 7>take care of. It was totally to be taken care

0:28:10.102 --> 0:28:13.302
<v Speaker 7>of the week before, and we were going to do

0:28:13.422 --> 0:28:17.902
<v Speaker 7>that when we were heading to Colorado in Arizona if

0:28:17.902 --> 0:28:19.502
<v Speaker 7>I have a ranch there as well.

0:28:22.502 --> 0:28:25.462
<v Speaker 1>So to reiterate, he says he had a tax bill

0:28:25.542 --> 0:28:29.302
<v Speaker 1>to take care of in Arizona and that's why he

0:28:29.422 --> 0:28:34.142
<v Speaker 1>left two days after his fiance disappeared. But Harper gave

0:28:34.222 --> 0:28:39.022
<v Speaker 1>Diana an entirely different reason. The morning that he left.

0:28:38.702 --> 0:28:40.622
<v Speaker 4>We were having coffee and.

0:28:42.062 --> 0:28:43.982
<v Speaker 2>We went over to the trail to take a look

0:28:44.022 --> 0:28:46.102
<v Speaker 2>again to see if she could be over there, and

0:28:46.142 --> 0:28:49.982
<v Speaker 2>he told me he had to go back. I think

0:28:50.022 --> 0:28:52.702
<v Speaker 2>you said Arizona, New Mexico. I can't remember which state

0:28:52.742 --> 0:28:54.982
<v Speaker 2>it was that he had to go back to. That

0:28:55.062 --> 0:28:58.502
<v Speaker 2>part on blogging on but he told me about his probation.

0:28:59.662 --> 0:29:03.502
<v Speaker 1>Probation, Diana says, Harper told her he had to go

0:29:03.542 --> 0:29:07.142
<v Speaker 1>and check in with a parole officer. I asked Harper

0:29:07.182 --> 0:29:07.942
<v Speaker 1>about this too.

0:29:08.702 --> 0:29:11.142
<v Speaker 6>No, I heard that too, and I don't know where

0:29:11.182 --> 0:29:15.502
<v Speaker 6>the hell she got that. I don't know where from when.

0:29:15.822 --> 0:29:18.902
<v Speaker 6>When I was in Arizona, I was talking with the

0:29:18.902 --> 0:29:22.942
<v Speaker 6>sheriff's office all the time until I was told by

0:29:23.022 --> 0:29:25.982
<v Speaker 6>Diana that they had come and the ranch was closed.

0:29:27.022 --> 0:29:29.222
<v Speaker 1>He said he took his RV so he'd have somewhere

0:29:29.262 --> 0:29:32.062
<v Speaker 1>to stay when he came back to California because the

0:29:32.062 --> 0:29:35.502
<v Speaker 1>cops told him they were shutting up the ranch. I've

0:29:35.542 --> 0:29:38.622
<v Speaker 1>done a lot of research, and I can't find anything

0:29:38.662 --> 0:29:41.102
<v Speaker 1>that Harper would have been on probation for at that time,

0:29:42.062 --> 0:29:46.302
<v Speaker 1>so that doesn't add up. That leaves the tax bill story,

0:29:46.502 --> 0:29:49.302
<v Speaker 1>which is a little odd. Why would you have to

0:29:49.382 --> 0:29:52.102
<v Speaker 1>drive hundreds of miles to go take care of a

0:29:52.182 --> 0:29:55.902
<v Speaker 1>tax bill? And why would it be so urgent that

0:29:55.942 --> 0:29:58.702
<v Speaker 1>you have to leave two days after your fiancee Go's missing.

0:30:02.342 --> 0:30:05.302
<v Speaker 1>As I waded into this story, I found that getting

0:30:05.382 --> 0:30:07.822
<v Speaker 1>clarity on what might have happened to Dea that day

0:30:08.582 --> 0:30:13.422
<v Speaker 1>was not so straightforward. Over the past few years, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been down endless rabbit holes that have led nowhere and

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<v Speaker 1>hit countless brick walls. They have been many times where

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<v Speaker 1>I've been close to walking away from this story. But

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<v Speaker 1>What's kept me coming back to this, like some bad

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<v Speaker 1>habit I can't quite kick, is the ridiculous amount of

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<v Speaker 1>times I've shouted wait what out loud in my living

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<v Speaker 1>room to myself after finding out some insane new piece

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<v Speaker 1>of information. It's so hard to know who to trust

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<v Speaker 1>because almost everyone I speak to seems to have something

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<v Speaker 1>to gain from Deer's disappearance. Everyone wants their version of

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<v Speaker 1>events to be believed to go down as the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened to Dea has become one of those Internet

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<v Speaker 1>who'd done it yarns that attracts armchair sleuths, a strange

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<v Speaker 1>chorus of anonymous people on Reddit and YouTube, all obsessing

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<v Speaker 1>over the evidence. I mean, I guess I've become one

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<v Speaker 1>of them too. The theories of what happened range from

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<v Speaker 1>plausible to wild speculation. I listened to all of them,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that somewhere in that pile of theories lies the truth,

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<v Speaker 1>and knowing that very likely one of the people I'm

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<v Speaker 1>speaking to is lying. Coming up this season on Wednesday, people.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't know were in our family home.

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<v Speaker 5>I had gone up there ever since I was a

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<v Speaker 5>little kid, and now suddenly, you know, other people who

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<v Speaker 5>I suspect had murdered her are moving in.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, well, this guy's acting really suspicious, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have all kinds about where I's going off in my head.

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<v Speaker 4>There's something out right. We were showing Harbor the place,

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<v Speaker 4>and we took them.

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<v Speaker 1>Down the road and looked, and you just.

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<v Speaker 7>Thought were every reason to harm her, But so did

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<v Speaker 7>Hersara and Clinton.

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<v Speaker 3>Just because so much money's involved.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't trust anything, the man says at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Lake literally, he just he's allergic to the truth.

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<v Speaker 5>This story is getting ready to blow wide open. If

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<v Speaker 5>you want some information, we can talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's Dear is written and hosted by me Lucy Sheriff.

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<v Speaker 1>Our producer is Daphne Chen. Editing by Karen Shakerji, Production

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<v Speaker 1>assistance from Joey Fish, ground fact checking by Lauren Vespoli.

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<v Speaker 1>Our executive producer is Jacob Smith. Original score, sound design

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<v Speaker 1>and mastering by Echo Shores. Where's Deer is a co

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<v Speaker 1>production of Pushkin Industries and iHeartMedia. Where's Deer was originally

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<v Speaker 1>developed with Truly*Adventurous.