1 00:00:15,422 --> 00:00:30,862 Speaker 1: Pushkin. I found out about the missing women through a 2 00:00:30,902 --> 00:00:35,942 Speaker 1: Facebook post. I hike a lot, mostly around Los Angeles, 3 00:00:36,462 --> 00:00:41,342 Speaker 1: and always alone. I don't like to talk where my 4 00:00:41,422 --> 00:00:47,462 Speaker 1: heavy boots are rhythmically pounding the switchback trails. I use 5 00:00:47,542 --> 00:00:51,022 Speaker 1: Facebook groups called things like Girls who Hike and Ladies 6 00:00:51,062 --> 00:00:56,062 Speaker 1: who Hike LA for trail recommendations and safety tips. Sometime 7 00:00:56,262 --> 00:00:59,462 Speaker 1: in the summer of twenty twenty, someone shared a news 8 00:00:59,542 --> 00:01:02,702 Speaker 1: article in one of these groups and warned us all 9 00:01:02,982 --> 00:01:08,382 Speaker 1: against hiking alone. In Idlewild, a mountain town about one 10 00:01:08,502 --> 00:01:12,742 Speaker 1: hundred miles from me, five women had gone missing in 11 00:01:12,782 --> 00:01:14,262 Speaker 1: the past two months. 12 00:01:14,942 --> 00:01:18,222 Speaker 2: Idlewild is a really small community and a lot of 13 00:01:18,262 --> 00:01:22,702 Speaker 2: people know each other there, so when people ended up 14 00:01:22,742 --> 00:01:27,342 Speaker 2: going missing, it was this kind of it was odd. 15 00:01:27,542 --> 00:01:30,102 Speaker 1: This is Diana Fettter. She knows a thing or two 16 00:01:30,102 --> 00:01:33,342 Speaker 1: about crime. She worked as a secret service agent for 17 00:01:33,382 --> 00:01:38,342 Speaker 1: twenty three years investigating financial fraud. Diana was living in 18 00:01:38,382 --> 00:01:40,982 Speaker 1: the Idleworld area when the disappearances began. 19 00:01:42,062 --> 00:01:46,902 Speaker 2: So when that started happening, you know, all of us 20 00:01:46,902 --> 00:01:48,702 Speaker 2: girls were kind of saying, Okay, well, we're not going 21 00:01:48,782 --> 00:01:51,462 Speaker 2: to go anywhere without somebody else if it's dark outside, 22 00:01:51,582 --> 00:01:53,382 Speaker 2: just you know, bring somebody with you. 23 00:01:55,102 --> 00:02:00,982 Speaker 1: Idlewild is nothing like La. The town is tucked away 24 00:02:01,102 --> 00:02:05,062 Speaker 1: in the San Jacinto Mountains. Its official mayor is a 25 00:02:05,102 --> 00:02:11,742 Speaker 1: golden retriever named Maximus Mighty Dog Mulla third. Really that's 26 00:02:11,782 --> 00:02:15,342 Speaker 1: the kind of town. It is a tourist playground, a 27 00:02:15,382 --> 00:02:19,342 Speaker 1: mile high paradise offering an a dilic escape from the city. 28 00:02:20,142 --> 00:02:23,302 Speaker 1: Its main street is lined by ice cream shops, kitch 29 00:02:23,382 --> 00:02:28,142 Speaker 1: gift stores, and cute carved wood and bears. So all 30 00:02:28,182 --> 00:02:32,262 Speaker 1: these women disappearing was pretty big news. And because I'm 31 00:02:32,302 --> 00:02:35,342 Speaker 1: a journalist, and because I just really wanted to know 32 00:02:35,382 --> 00:02:40,142 Speaker 1: what happened, I figured I'd just start making some calls. 33 00:02:41,182 --> 00:02:44,862 Speaker 1: It took me months, but eventually I managed to track 34 00:02:44,902 --> 00:02:49,582 Speaker 1: down a friend, a granddaughter, a mother of every single 35 00:02:49,622 --> 00:02:52,662 Speaker 1: missing woman, and I've found out what happened to them. 36 00:02:54,142 --> 00:02:58,102 Speaker 1: One woman was elderly with dementia. She got a loss 37 00:02:58,222 --> 00:03:01,982 Speaker 1: and her car was found abandoned on a steep mountain side. 38 00:03:02,062 --> 00:03:06,382 Speaker 1: Her remains were later discovered nearby. Three women were battling 39 00:03:06,422 --> 00:03:10,582 Speaker 1: meth addictions. They'd run away from trouble, just packed up 40 00:03:10,622 --> 00:03:14,382 Speaker 1: and left. There was an explanation for all of them 41 00:03:15,262 --> 00:03:21,462 Speaker 1: except for one, a woman named Lydia Kenchilo Abrams, who 42 00:03:21,542 --> 00:03:25,782 Speaker 1: was known as Dia. 43 00:03:25,902 --> 00:03:29,022 Speaker 2: When Dia went missing, it was a whole nother ballgame. 44 00:03:29,062 --> 00:03:30,382 Speaker 2: I'm like, this is one of our own. 45 00:03:31,662 --> 00:03:34,822 Speaker 1: Dia was a woman whose story refused to be tied 46 00:03:34,902 --> 00:03:38,102 Speaker 1: up in this neat little ending. She was a glamorous, 47 00:03:38,182 --> 00:03:41,782 Speaker 1: sixty five year old widow of a millionaire with two 48 00:03:41,862 --> 00:03:46,702 Speaker 1: kids in San Diego, horses and a ton of property. 49 00:03:47,502 --> 00:03:51,782 Speaker 2: Oh. I admired the heck out of her. Let me 50 00:03:51,862 --> 00:03:56,702 Speaker 2: tell you. She's a woman who was confident about herself, 51 00:03:57,582 --> 00:04:00,982 Speaker 2: always giving compliments to others, always telling other people they 52 00:04:01,022 --> 00:04:04,742 Speaker 2: were beautiful and how wonderful they were. But at the 53 00:04:04,822 --> 00:04:09,542 Speaker 2: same time, this petite woman could open up a can 54 00:04:09,622 --> 00:04:12,222 Speaker 2: of wood bass like no one I've ever seen. She 55 00:04:12,382 --> 00:04:16,942 Speaker 2: had no problem calling people out if she felt they 56 00:04:16,942 --> 00:04:21,102 Speaker 2: were lying to her, or they were doing something wrong 57 00:04:21,542 --> 00:04:25,702 Speaker 2: or not being good people, if that makes sense. 58 00:04:31,942 --> 00:04:36,222 Speaker 1: They seemed an unlikely pair. Diana is a motorbike riding, 59 00:04:36,382 --> 00:04:40,662 Speaker 1: leather wearing Southerner who also calls herself Lady Fed and 60 00:04:40,782 --> 00:04:45,382 Speaker 1: Dia the blonde, blue eyed Californian. But when they met, 61 00:04:45,742 --> 00:04:47,662 Speaker 1: Diana says, they clicked immediately. 62 00:04:48,662 --> 00:04:52,422 Speaker 3: She was a private person and she wasn't one to 63 00:04:52,702 --> 00:04:55,822 Speaker 3: make friends with a lot of people easily, so if 64 00:04:55,822 --> 00:04:59,222 Speaker 3: she allowed you in her little circle, then she felt 65 00:04:59,262 --> 00:05:00,142 Speaker 3: that you were worthy. 66 00:05:00,942 --> 00:05:05,342 Speaker 1: You know, when Dia went missing, idle world wasn't the same, 67 00:05:05,982 --> 00:05:09,262 Speaker 1: not for Diana or another woman in town, Julie Stamford, 68 00:05:10,062 --> 00:05:13,302 Speaker 1: along with Dea, they've made this little trio, this sort 69 00:05:13,302 --> 00:05:15,782 Speaker 1: of girl gang, like the kind you'd see at high school. 70 00:05:17,462 --> 00:05:19,822 Speaker 2: Julie and I have spent hours and hours and hours 71 00:05:19,942 --> 00:05:22,582 Speaker 2: going over every scenario that it could possibly be, and 72 00:05:22,622 --> 00:05:24,102 Speaker 2: we came down to the same thing. 73 00:05:24,422 --> 00:05:26,382 Speaker 4: She did not leave ever on a court. 74 00:05:31,382 --> 00:05:34,942 Speaker 1: I've spent the past four years investigating what happened to Dea, 75 00:05:35,662 --> 00:05:38,822 Speaker 1: and if there's one thing I've learned, it's this, we 76 00:05:38,942 --> 00:05:44,822 Speaker 1: don't like unanswered questions. When someone goes missing, they leave 77 00:05:44,862 --> 00:05:48,702 Speaker 1: a vacuum, and everyone left behind scrambles to fill that 78 00:05:48,822 --> 00:05:53,262 Speaker 1: space with reasons why, or explanations of how to make 79 00:05:53,342 --> 00:05:57,422 Speaker 1: sense of things, anything to achieve that neat little ending 80 00:05:57,502 --> 00:06:02,022 Speaker 1: that I too was looking for when Dia went missing. 81 00:06:02,422 --> 00:06:05,702 Speaker 1: She didn't get to tell her own story. Her narrative 82 00:06:05,742 --> 00:06:10,542 Speaker 1: has been crafted by friends, family, lovers, and yes, even enemies, 83 00:06:14,582 --> 00:06:17,622 Speaker 1: and it's left to us to decide whose version of 84 00:06:17,622 --> 00:06:21,782 Speaker 1: events we believe. This isn't just a story about Dea. 85 00:06:22,742 --> 00:06:31,502 Speaker 1: It's also a story about everyone she left behind. I'm 86 00:06:31,582 --> 00:06:37,862 Speaker 1: Lucy Sheriff, and this is Where's Dea? Episode one? You 87 00:06:37,982 --> 00:07:00,102 Speaker 1: Cannot save me from all things? That wasn't much about 88 00:07:00,142 --> 00:07:04,262 Speaker 1: Dea Abrams out there, Like her friend Diana said, she 89 00:07:04,342 --> 00:07:07,422 Speaker 1: seemed to be a private person. But I did come 90 00:07:07,462 --> 00:07:11,582 Speaker 1: across a video by a local CBS reporter, David Godfredson. 91 00:07:12,462 --> 00:07:16,142 Speaker 1: He'd interviewed a man named Keith Harper, who said he 92 00:07:16,222 --> 00:07:19,702 Speaker 1: was DIA's fiance. It's a bit hard to make out 93 00:07:19,782 --> 00:07:23,142 Speaker 1: David's questions in the video. It was twenty twenty, after all, 94 00:07:23,542 --> 00:07:27,782 Speaker 1: so he was wearing a mask. But Keith diligently responds 95 00:07:28,262 --> 00:07:31,742 Speaker 1: with short to the point answers, and you had plans 96 00:07:31,742 --> 00:07:32,382 Speaker 1: to marry her? 97 00:07:32,662 --> 00:07:32,982 Speaker 5: Yes? 98 00:07:33,422 --> 00:07:37,582 Speaker 6: Twenty fourth of July, then, where Jackson hole lie on me. 99 00:07:38,742 --> 00:07:41,622 Speaker 1: Keith and the reporter were sitting across from each other 100 00:07:41,862 --> 00:07:47,862 Speaker 1: at Bonita Vista Ranch, DEA's sprawling home. Bright green trees 101 00:07:48,102 --> 00:07:52,462 Speaker 1: and sunshine filled the frame around Keith. He had a craggy, 102 00:07:52,542 --> 00:07:55,982 Speaker 1: rugged face, the face of someone who's been out in 103 00:07:56,022 --> 00:07:59,542 Speaker 1: the sun his whole life. Why do you want to Marryer? 104 00:08:00,702 --> 00:08:03,662 Speaker 5: She's an awesome person. She's the person that I have 105 00:08:04,502 --> 00:08:05,622 Speaker 5: looked for all my life. 106 00:08:06,782 --> 00:08:10,782 Speaker 1: I watched his body language. His right blue eyes flitted 107 00:08:10,822 --> 00:08:13,862 Speaker 1: around as he described his efforts to look for Deer. 108 00:08:15,222 --> 00:08:19,382 Speaker 1: The interview was posted on YouTube. There were a lot 109 00:08:19,622 --> 00:08:23,702 Speaker 1: of comments, and many of them were not sympathetic. Here's 110 00:08:23,742 --> 00:08:27,062 Speaker 1: a couple. He knows way more than he's letting up. 111 00:08:27,542 --> 00:08:31,142 Speaker 1: I don't trust that old man, and even this guy 112 00:08:31,342 --> 00:08:36,302 Speaker 1: has the perfect opportunity to get away with murder. The 113 00:08:36,382 --> 00:08:39,342 Speaker 1: reporter asked Keith if he had anything to do with 114 00:08:39,462 --> 00:08:40,422 Speaker 1: DEA's disappearance. 115 00:08:41,742 --> 00:08:42,462 Speaker 5: Absolutely not. 116 00:08:44,862 --> 00:08:49,582 Speaker 6: How can you prove that? I can prove that because 117 00:08:49,902 --> 00:08:55,182 Speaker 6: I love the woman, I have no reason to bring 118 00:08:55,262 --> 00:08:55,902 Speaker 6: harm to her. 119 00:08:56,182 --> 00:08:57,222 Speaker 5: I love that woman. 120 00:08:58,702 --> 00:09:03,182 Speaker 1: I had to speak with Keith Harper myself. I struggled 121 00:09:03,182 --> 00:09:06,942 Speaker 1: to find his contact details online and eventually I went 122 00:09:07,022 --> 00:09:10,702 Speaker 1: up to Idleworld and asked around. There were a bunch 123 00:09:10,742 --> 00:09:14,582 Speaker 1: of missing persons posters on wooden notice boards around the town. 124 00:09:15,542 --> 00:09:18,062 Speaker 1: One of them had DEA's face on it. There were 125 00:09:18,062 --> 00:09:21,462 Speaker 1: two numbers listed, one for a Julia and the other 126 00:09:21,542 --> 00:09:28,822 Speaker 1: one for A Harper. Oh, hi, is that mister Harper? Yeah, Hi, 127 00:09:29,182 --> 00:09:33,502 Speaker 1: my name's Lucy Sheriff. So I called him and I wondered, 128 00:09:33,542 --> 00:09:35,982 Speaker 1: if you would be willing to talk. 129 00:09:35,782 --> 00:09:39,942 Speaker 6: To me quickly, What questions do you have? 130 00:09:41,382 --> 00:09:47,382 Speaker 1: Obviously I had a lot. We talked for almost an hour. 131 00:09:48,102 --> 00:09:50,262 Speaker 1: I found out he likes to be known as Harper, 132 00:09:50,622 --> 00:09:53,382 Speaker 1: and so from now on, that's what I'll call him. 133 00:09:54,262 --> 00:09:57,102 Speaker 1: He told me he was still searching for Dea, and 134 00:09:57,142 --> 00:09:59,182 Speaker 1: he was worried that she was going to be forgotten 135 00:09:59,222 --> 00:10:02,822 Speaker 1: by the police, that she'd just become another cold case. 136 00:10:03,502 --> 00:10:06,182 Speaker 1: The hardest part, he said, was not knowing. 137 00:10:07,022 --> 00:10:10,222 Speaker 5: You can deal with, yeah, if there is a death, 138 00:10:10,742 --> 00:10:13,702 Speaker 5: or you can deal with she left on her own. 139 00:10:13,822 --> 00:10:15,262 Speaker 7: Cord is her choice. 140 00:10:15,822 --> 00:10:16,102 Speaker 1: You know. 141 00:10:16,262 --> 00:10:17,142 Speaker 7: I can deal with that. 142 00:10:17,502 --> 00:10:21,422 Speaker 5: I can deal with all of that, But not knowing. 143 00:10:23,022 --> 00:10:23,942 Speaker 7: The hollow. 144 00:10:27,182 --> 00:10:28,022 Speaker 6: You have a heart blind. 145 00:10:29,622 --> 00:10:32,622 Speaker 1: Harper was an open book. He didn't seem to be 146 00:10:32,782 --> 00:10:35,782 Speaker 1: anything like the guy who'd appeared on the CBS interview. 147 00:10:36,742 --> 00:10:40,822 Speaker 1: I remember feeling this immense sympathy for him. He sounded 148 00:10:40,902 --> 00:10:45,222 Speaker 1: so heartbroken. I can't imagine how difficult it must be 149 00:10:46,182 --> 00:10:46,662 Speaker 1: to not know. 150 00:10:48,142 --> 00:10:51,302 Speaker 5: And unless you've been here's something like that, you'll know her. Know, 151 00:10:51,862 --> 00:10:57,222 Speaker 5: you'll never ever ever now because it leaves tip genyrk 152 00:10:57,262 --> 00:11:03,142 Speaker 5: stomach and in your heart that never gets healed. 153 00:11:04,302 --> 00:11:06,742 Speaker 1: Harper told me, do you knew how to use a gun? 154 00:11:07,622 --> 00:11:10,942 Speaker 5: I keep going back. This was independent, she. 155 00:11:12,582 --> 00:11:13,342 Speaker 3: Was capable. 156 00:11:14,142 --> 00:11:16,782 Speaker 5: You know, I've watched her kill rattlers. I watched her 157 00:11:16,862 --> 00:11:19,942 Speaker 5: kill five rattlers one day, and she has no clear 158 00:11:20,422 --> 00:11:22,582 Speaker 5: now I mean the girl and next to one NA 159 00:11:23,102 --> 00:11:23,502 Speaker 5: shoot it. 160 00:11:24,862 --> 00:11:28,302 Speaker 1: A glamorous blonde who carried a gun shot at Rattlesnake's 161 00:11:28,422 --> 00:11:32,702 Speaker 1: and ran a sprawling ranch. I mean Dea kind of 162 00:11:32,742 --> 00:11:36,822 Speaker 1: sounded like a badass. But over these years I've peeled 163 00:11:36,862 --> 00:11:43,022 Speaker 1: back these layers, and she was a complicated character. Even now, 164 00:11:43,302 --> 00:11:45,902 Speaker 1: it's like Dea refuses to be summed up in one 165 00:11:45,982 --> 00:11:50,142 Speaker 1: neat sentence. She doesn't fit into any classic archetypes or 166 00:11:50,302 --> 00:11:55,822 Speaker 1: tidy cliches. Every new person I've spoken to opened another 167 00:11:55,902 --> 00:12:00,822 Speaker 1: door to another possibility about what might have happened. Every 168 00:12:00,942 --> 00:12:05,502 Speaker 1: conversation raised another version of events that didn't quite add up, 169 00:12:06,062 --> 00:12:11,142 Speaker 1: another puzzle piece that didn't seem to fit. Deer disappeared 170 00:12:11,342 --> 00:12:16,182 Speaker 1: on Saturday, June sixth, twenty twenty. I've revisited that one 171 00:12:16,222 --> 00:12:20,782 Speaker 1: weekend over and over because everyone has their own account 172 00:12:20,862 --> 00:12:23,142 Speaker 1: of how things went down at beneath a Vista Ranch, 173 00:12:23,662 --> 00:12:28,942 Speaker 1: DEA's one hundred and fifteen acre gated mountain Paradise. I'm 174 00:12:28,982 --> 00:12:31,142 Speaker 1: going to come back to these couple of days a 175 00:12:31,182 --> 00:12:39,582 Speaker 1: lot throughout the season, so pay close attention. The timeline 176 00:12:39,582 --> 00:12:41,982 Speaker 1: of the day Deer went missing is spotty, to say 177 00:12:41,982 --> 00:12:44,382 Speaker 1: the least, but there's one thing we know for sure. 178 00:12:45,062 --> 00:12:49,182 Speaker 1: Around nine am on Saturday, June sixth, Dea went over 179 00:12:49,182 --> 00:12:52,822 Speaker 1: to a neighbor's house to deliver cinnamon rolls. The door 180 00:12:52,862 --> 00:12:55,342 Speaker 1: cam footage was later leaked to CBS. 181 00:12:55,782 --> 00:12:58,302 Speaker 5: Now, for the first time, we are seeing video of 182 00:12:58,382 --> 00:13:02,022 Speaker 5: the former La Joya resident, recorded just hours before she vanished. 183 00:13:03,182 --> 00:13:07,822 Speaker 1: I watched the grainy picture in its eerie silence. Deer 184 00:13:07,862 --> 00:13:12,262 Speaker 1: wearing an oversized, chunky black shirt, her long blonde hair loose, 185 00:13:12,582 --> 00:13:15,382 Speaker 1: ringing on the doorbell, a box of rolls in hand. 186 00:13:17,182 --> 00:13:20,662 Speaker 1: When Dea realizes her neighbor isn't going to answer, she 187 00:13:20,742 --> 00:13:22,862 Speaker 1: puts the box on some kind of ledge next to 188 00:13:22,902 --> 00:13:26,782 Speaker 1: the door. The whole scene is ringed with a black 189 00:13:26,862 --> 00:13:29,982 Speaker 1: circular border, like I'm looking through a fish eye lens 190 00:13:30,542 --> 00:13:35,822 Speaker 1: watching DEA's final known movements. Dea walks away, and that's it. 191 00:13:43,142 --> 00:13:45,022 Speaker 1: The one other thing I know for sure from that 192 00:13:45,142 --> 00:13:48,822 Speaker 1: day is at around two thirty pm, Deer texted Diana, 193 00:13:49,182 --> 00:13:53,462 Speaker 1: her motorcycle riding friend, about window cleaner recommendations because she 194 00:13:53,502 --> 00:13:55,302 Speaker 1: was renting out some of her properties. 195 00:13:55,982 --> 00:13:57,182 Speaker 4: She was happy as heck. 196 00:13:57,862 --> 00:14:03,022 Speaker 2: We had her house lined up for Airbnb and we 197 00:14:03,022 --> 00:14:04,182 Speaker 2: were getting hits on it. 198 00:14:05,462 --> 00:14:07,982 Speaker 1: You might be wondering why would the widow of a 199 00:14:08,022 --> 00:14:11,702 Speaker 1: millionaire be doing the airbnb hustle, And that's a great 200 00:14:11,782 --> 00:14:15,102 Speaker 1: question with a pretty complex answer that I'll fully get 201 00:14:15,102 --> 00:14:19,262 Speaker 1: into later. All you need to know for now is 202 00:14:19,262 --> 00:14:21,622 Speaker 1: that Dea felt she was not in a good place 203 00:14:21,662 --> 00:14:25,782 Speaker 1: financially or by some accounts, emotionally. She was in a 204 00:14:25,862 --> 00:14:28,822 Speaker 1: dispute with her children over the estate of her husband, 205 00:14:29,462 --> 00:14:34,462 Speaker 1: who had died a few years prior. So on June sixth, 206 00:14:34,782 --> 00:14:38,822 Speaker 1: Dea texted Diana, and I've seen those messages, and then 207 00:14:39,462 --> 00:14:43,142 Speaker 1: it all goes dark. That's the last evidence I have 208 00:14:43,422 --> 00:14:46,822 Speaker 1: of what Dea did that day, because everything that happened 209 00:14:46,862 --> 00:14:50,982 Speaker 1: on Saturday after that string of texts is according to Harper. 210 00:14:51,582 --> 00:14:53,782 Speaker 7: Hey, you know, it seemed to be a typical day, 211 00:14:53,822 --> 00:14:56,622 Speaker 7: but I was pushing hard to get ready to go 212 00:14:56,662 --> 00:15:02,982 Speaker 7: to Colorado. And so you know, we we were making 213 00:15:03,022 --> 00:15:05,582 Speaker 7: sure that everything was being prepared. And I remember I 214 00:15:05,742 --> 00:15:09,902 Speaker 7: was down in the meadal morning the metal, and it lunchtime, 215 00:15:09,942 --> 00:15:14,302 Speaker 7: which was two o'clock for us because we didn't need breakfast. 216 00:15:14,342 --> 00:15:20,422 Speaker 7: Health probably around Ken picking in it too. We had lunch, 217 00:15:20,582 --> 00:15:23,902 Speaker 7: and she did it. Have you got a minute, I 218 00:15:23,902 --> 00:15:28,782 Speaker 7: can talk to you. And I wish that I had listened, 219 00:15:29,782 --> 00:15:33,742 Speaker 7: because you know, she had talked about how she felt 220 00:15:33,902 --> 00:15:35,422 Speaker 7: there was a risk with her children. 221 00:15:36,662 --> 00:15:40,822 Speaker 1: According to Harper and Diana, Deer was scared of her children. 222 00:15:41,902 --> 00:15:43,782 Speaker 1: It was all to do with this battle over her 223 00:15:43,862 --> 00:15:48,222 Speaker 1: late husband's estate. The kids wanted it all, and they 224 00:15:48,302 --> 00:15:51,422 Speaker 1: might go to extreme lengths to keep not only all 225 00:15:51,462 --> 00:15:55,942 Speaker 1: of their father's money, but Deer's multimillion dollar ranch. Two 226 00:15:56,782 --> 00:15:58,022 Speaker 1: Also her friends told me. 227 00:15:58,982 --> 00:16:02,942 Speaker 7: And if anything, I can't pass that off, thinking that 228 00:16:02,982 --> 00:16:08,902 Speaker 7: her children would not do anything to her. And she said, 229 00:16:09,022 --> 00:16:11,782 Speaker 7: you have a minute, I can talk with you. And 230 00:16:11,902 --> 00:16:16,262 Speaker 7: I said, hone can the cock to see me? I said, 231 00:16:16,302 --> 00:16:18,462 Speaker 7: I've got the medal to do, and it's going to 232 00:16:18,542 --> 00:16:24,062 Speaker 7: take me till dark. I find you're done. I leave 233 00:16:24,302 --> 00:16:27,142 Speaker 7: go back to the metal at four thirty. I did 234 00:16:27,182 --> 00:16:29,702 Speaker 7: not get this text because I was on the tractor 235 00:16:29,742 --> 00:16:31,862 Speaker 7: and I did not hear it, but she texted me 236 00:16:31,902 --> 00:16:35,062 Speaker 7: at four point thirty and what she said is, Harper, 237 00:16:35,182 --> 00:16:38,022 Speaker 7: you cannot save me from all thinges even if you 238 00:16:38,662 --> 00:16:40,382 Speaker 7: believe you can you can. 239 00:16:41,742 --> 00:16:45,102 Speaker 1: You cannot save me from all things. Even if you 240 00:16:45,142 --> 00:16:49,862 Speaker 1: believe you can, you can't. I've never seen this text. 241 00:16:50,582 --> 00:16:53,302 Speaker 1: I've asked, but Harper told me the police took his 242 00:16:53,382 --> 00:16:57,382 Speaker 1: phone and won't give it back. According to his version 243 00:16:57,422 --> 00:17:00,262 Speaker 1: of events, he came in from mowing the meadow at 244 00:17:00,302 --> 00:17:03,462 Speaker 1: seven fifteen pm and dere was nowhere to be seen. 245 00:17:04,342 --> 00:17:06,782 Speaker 1: He thought she was out exercising her horses. 246 00:17:07,662 --> 00:17:09,222 Speaker 6: You know, I got well. 247 00:17:09,302 --> 00:17:10,622 Speaker 3: Call her, seeing what it tells you it. 248 00:17:10,782 --> 00:17:14,942 Speaker 7: I called and that I could hear her phone ringing upstairs. 249 00:17:15,382 --> 00:17:18,262 Speaker 7: So I go upstairs, thinking she was up there because 250 00:17:18,302 --> 00:17:21,782 Speaker 7: sometimes she gets migraines and she'll lay down. But she 251 00:17:22,062 --> 00:17:25,182 Speaker 7: was not anywhere in the house, but her phone was 252 00:17:25,222 --> 00:17:30,702 Speaker 7: plugged in, her purse was sitting on the kitchen counter. 253 00:17:31,502 --> 00:17:33,902 Speaker 1: He says. He then went to see if DEA's truck 254 00:17:34,022 --> 00:17:35,222 Speaker 1: was outside. 255 00:17:35,942 --> 00:17:39,902 Speaker 7: And when the truck was still parked where it was, 256 00:17:41,142 --> 00:17:44,382 Speaker 7: then I started the new a search of the properties. 257 00:17:45,422 --> 00:17:49,182 Speaker 1: Harper told me he searched other cabins and various sheds 258 00:17:49,222 --> 00:17:52,742 Speaker 1: and storage units on the property, and that in the 259 00:17:52,782 --> 00:17:56,022 Speaker 1: early hours of the morning, he stopped searching and went 260 00:17:56,022 --> 00:18:00,262 Speaker 1: to bed. The next day, Deer was still nowhere to 261 00:18:00,302 --> 00:18:05,742 Speaker 1: be found, making Harper the last person to see her alive. 262 00:18:10,342 --> 00:18:14,342 Speaker 5: You know, obviously, when you're the last person, I've always 263 00:18:14,422 --> 00:18:15,262 Speaker 5: become the suster. 264 00:18:17,022 --> 00:18:41,822 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Early on Sunday morning, when Harper 265 00:18:41,862 --> 00:18:46,062 Speaker 1: woke up, Deer was still missing. Her phone, purse, and 266 00:18:46,142 --> 00:18:49,902 Speaker 1: truck were all at the ranch. Harper says he continued 267 00:18:49,902 --> 00:18:51,702 Speaker 1: his search immediately. 268 00:18:51,782 --> 00:18:54,422 Speaker 7: And that's when I went. I talked to the highway 269 00:18:54,502 --> 00:18:58,382 Speaker 7: control and he said, harpe Gee, call the sheriff. And 270 00:18:58,422 --> 00:19:00,022 Speaker 7: he said, I'll tell you what. They don't have to 271 00:19:00,142 --> 00:19:03,742 Speaker 7: do anything for her. I'll be seventy hours before they act. 272 00:19:03,902 --> 00:19:08,982 Speaker 7: Because people show up, they just disappear, and many of 273 00:19:08,982 --> 00:19:11,702 Speaker 7: them come back within that timeframe, so they don't get 274 00:19:11,782 --> 00:19:12,582 Speaker 7: really excited. 275 00:19:13,622 --> 00:19:16,222 Speaker 1: Before we get into what happened next, I want to 276 00:19:16,302 --> 00:19:18,742 Speaker 1: take a minute to address the idea that you have 277 00:19:18,822 --> 00:19:21,542 Speaker 1: to wait a certain amount of time to report someone missing. 278 00:19:22,302 --> 00:19:24,582 Speaker 1: You've probably heard of it on a TV show or 279 00:19:24,582 --> 00:19:28,262 Speaker 1: in a movie, but it's complete rubbish. You can report 280 00:19:28,302 --> 00:19:33,982 Speaker 1: someone missing right away. After Harper spoke to the California 281 00:19:34,102 --> 00:19:39,942 Speaker 1: Highway Patrol officer, news began to spread. Diana Fetta, DEA's friend, 282 00:19:40,542 --> 00:19:42,862 Speaker 1: got wind that Harper was trying to get in touch 283 00:19:42,902 --> 00:19:43,222 Speaker 1: with her. 284 00:19:43,902 --> 00:19:45,502 Speaker 2: So I was able to call him and I said, 285 00:19:45,502 --> 00:19:48,182 Speaker 2: what's going on, because well, she didn't come home last night. 286 00:19:48,262 --> 00:19:50,942 Speaker 4: Is she with you? I said, no, she's not with me. 287 00:19:51,622 --> 00:19:53,502 Speaker 4: But that's typical of Dea. 288 00:19:53,622 --> 00:19:55,382 Speaker 2: If she didn't want to go home, she'd either spend 289 00:19:55,382 --> 00:19:57,102 Speaker 2: the night with a friend or she'd spent the night 290 00:19:57,422 --> 00:19:58,662 Speaker 2: at her corner valley house. 291 00:19:59,822 --> 00:20:03,342 Speaker 1: At eight twenty four am on Sunday, a call was 292 00:20:03,342 --> 00:20:06,542 Speaker 1: made from the ranch to the cops to report a 293 00:20:06,542 --> 00:20:10,862 Speaker 1: missing person. I'm not sure him made that call, but 294 00:20:10,902 --> 00:20:15,502 Speaker 1: the cops don't show until later the following day. Meanwhile, 295 00:20:15,782 --> 00:20:20,022 Speaker 1: Diana rallied a search party, army veterans who belonged to 296 00:20:20,102 --> 00:20:24,502 Speaker 1: her motorcycle club, DEA's Idlewild friends, and neighbors from a 297 00:20:24,582 --> 00:20:26,302 Speaker 1: Christian youth camp across the road. 298 00:20:27,302 --> 00:20:30,822 Speaker 2: So it was pretty quick when people all started showing up. 299 00:20:30,862 --> 00:20:33,302 Speaker 2: We all started making phone calls trying to get people 300 00:20:33,342 --> 00:20:34,182 Speaker 2: to come over and help. 301 00:20:35,142 --> 00:20:37,542 Speaker 1: Some of the people who were searching, assumed Deer had 302 00:20:37,542 --> 00:20:39,462 Speaker 1: gone off hiking and just hurt herself. 303 00:20:40,262 --> 00:20:42,982 Speaker 2: She's either up the hill, you know, walking up the 304 00:20:43,062 --> 00:20:47,702 Speaker 2: hill and she got lot, or she could hurt herself 305 00:20:47,782 --> 00:20:48,982 Speaker 2: and she can't come down. 306 00:20:50,262 --> 00:20:53,062 Speaker 1: But there was a growing list of clues that made 307 00:20:53,062 --> 00:20:56,822 Speaker 1: this seem unlikely. Her phone and her guns were at 308 00:20:56,822 --> 00:21:01,182 Speaker 1: the house, things she always took hiking, and there was 309 00:21:01,222 --> 00:21:04,942 Speaker 1: something else that was very off. Deer's dog, Ruby was 310 00:21:04,982 --> 00:21:08,862 Speaker 1: still there. Ruby was a mixed mutt white with black spots, 311 00:21:09,262 --> 00:21:13,422 Speaker 1: colgy sized. She was ill too, on a very specific 312 00:21:13,462 --> 00:21:15,502 Speaker 1: diet and lots of medication. 313 00:21:16,062 --> 00:21:18,422 Speaker 2: And that was the number one thing. She would never 314 00:21:18,462 --> 00:21:21,822 Speaker 2: have left Ruby at all. She always took Ruby everywhere. 315 00:21:21,822 --> 00:21:24,942 Speaker 2: I don't care where she went, even to her attorney's office, 316 00:21:24,982 --> 00:21:26,902 Speaker 2: she brought Ruby. If she went to the store, she 317 00:21:26,982 --> 00:21:29,342 Speaker 2: brought Ruby. If she was going to low she brought Ruby. 318 00:21:32,342 --> 00:21:35,662 Speaker 1: The search was well underway when DEA's thirty year old son, 319 00:21:35,902 --> 00:21:39,382 Speaker 1: Clinton Abrams, showed up at the ranch with some friends. 320 00:21:40,022 --> 00:21:43,902 Speaker 4: And I had never met him before, and. 321 00:21:45,182 --> 00:21:47,062 Speaker 2: All I could think about is, I'm looking at this 322 00:21:47,342 --> 00:21:51,542 Speaker 2: young guy that you know, looks like a college frat boy. 323 00:21:54,182 --> 00:22:03,222 Speaker 2: He's not crying, He's not like overly emotional. Everybody went 324 00:22:03,342 --> 00:22:07,422 Speaker 2: searching for Dia, he didn't do anything. He just stood there. 325 00:22:08,582 --> 00:22:11,982 Speaker 2: So it was it was like, well, if my mom 326 00:22:12,622 --> 00:22:15,982 Speaker 2: or my dad or my child or whoever was missing, 327 00:22:16,022 --> 00:22:17,862 Speaker 2: I'd be out there. I'm not going to just stand 328 00:22:17,862 --> 00:22:19,822 Speaker 2: here and wait for somebody to bring me news. But 329 00:22:19,862 --> 00:22:24,902 Speaker 2: he just stood there like he wanted people to pity him. 330 00:22:25,502 --> 00:22:29,422 Speaker 2: You know, he didn't act like an individual who was 331 00:22:29,462 --> 00:22:31,102 Speaker 2: worried about their mother's welfare. 332 00:22:31,902 --> 00:22:32,342 Speaker 4: Period. 333 00:22:33,942 --> 00:22:37,342 Speaker 1: I've spoken with Clinton, by the way, he described his 334 00:22:37,382 --> 00:22:40,862 Speaker 1: actions that day very differently. You'll hear from him later on. 335 00:22:41,782 --> 00:22:44,742 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, the search party had no luck 336 00:22:44,822 --> 00:22:50,062 Speaker 1: finding any trace of Dea. Soon people began to disperse. 337 00:22:51,462 --> 00:22:54,782 Speaker 1: Later that night, Diana says she got another call. 338 00:22:57,302 --> 00:23:00,262 Speaker 2: I had gone home and Harper was calling and he 339 00:23:00,342 --> 00:23:03,622 Speaker 2: was upset, and I said, are you going to be okay? 340 00:23:03,622 --> 00:23:05,182 Speaker 2: And he's like no. I said, do you need me 341 00:23:05,222 --> 00:23:07,182 Speaker 2: to come out there? And he goes, do you mind? 342 00:23:07,302 --> 00:23:09,382 Speaker 2: I said, no, that's fine. So I came out and 343 00:23:09,462 --> 00:23:13,862 Speaker 2: I sat at the house and he was kind of 344 00:23:13,902 --> 00:23:17,622 Speaker 2: like a zombie, you know, like acted the part of 345 00:23:17,702 --> 00:23:18,582 Speaker 2: like something's long. 346 00:23:20,022 --> 00:23:27,142 Speaker 1: That night, Diana stayed over at the ranch. It's now Monday, 347 00:23:27,462 --> 00:23:31,462 Speaker 1: June eighth, two days since Deer was last seen, and 348 00:23:31,502 --> 00:23:35,142 Speaker 1: there was no sign of the cops. Any officer will 349 00:23:35,182 --> 00:23:38,262 Speaker 1: tell you that the first forty eight hours is crucial 350 00:23:38,382 --> 00:23:42,022 Speaker 1: in a missing person's case. It's when investigators have the 351 00:23:42,022 --> 00:23:45,542 Speaker 1: best chance of following up on leeds because the information 352 00:23:45,622 --> 00:23:48,902 Speaker 1: is fresh in everyone's minds. It's the best chance you 353 00:23:49,022 --> 00:23:53,582 Speaker 1: have of finding somebody. And yet the cops wait until 354 00:23:53,582 --> 00:23:58,822 Speaker 1: Monday afternoon to arrive on the scene. And before they 355 00:23:58,902 --> 00:24:02,102 Speaker 1: even get to the ranch, Harper says, they called him 356 00:24:02,222 --> 00:24:03,182 Speaker 1: to say they were coming. 357 00:24:04,622 --> 00:24:08,142 Speaker 7: They call me and they tell me that they are 358 00:24:08,542 --> 00:24:11,702 Speaker 7: gonna be there at age thirty in the morning. When 359 00:24:11,702 --> 00:24:14,662 Speaker 7: they get there, they said, we will were shutting the 360 00:24:14,782 --> 00:24:17,862 Speaker 7: lanes down and we will take over the church. If 361 00:24:17,862 --> 00:24:19,982 Speaker 7: you got anything, you may want to get it mo 362 00:24:20,262 --> 00:24:22,742 Speaker 7: because anything that's on the property will stay there. 363 00:24:23,942 --> 00:24:26,462 Speaker 1: I talked to three people who were there that day 364 00:24:26,862 --> 00:24:30,142 Speaker 1: who all said the cops didn't show up until the afternoon, 365 00:24:30,902 --> 00:24:34,502 Speaker 1: and when they finally did show, Diana says, they made 366 00:24:34,502 --> 00:24:36,302 Speaker 1: some frustrating decisions. 367 00:24:37,622 --> 00:24:43,182 Speaker 2: Well, they immediately came onto the property and kicked everybody off. 368 00:24:44,022 --> 00:24:47,462 Speaker 4: You know, didn't look. 369 00:24:47,302 --> 00:24:50,102 Speaker 2: Around at anybody or say, okay, well who's the person 370 00:24:50,142 --> 00:24:53,822 Speaker 2: that contacted the Sheriff's department, or Hey, who's Diana, or hey, 371 00:24:53,862 --> 00:24:55,102 Speaker 2: who's this person? 372 00:24:55,702 --> 00:24:56,982 Speaker 4: They didn't even take my name. 373 00:24:58,382 --> 00:25:02,502 Speaker 1: Diana was especially upset because people started leaving without being 374 00:25:02,622 --> 00:25:03,742 Speaker 1: questioned by the police. 375 00:25:04,462 --> 00:25:06,142 Speaker 4: What you know. 376 00:25:07,142 --> 00:25:09,062 Speaker 2: Yes, I was never a police officer, but I was. 377 00:25:09,142 --> 00:25:15,262 Speaker 2: I'm a federal agent for twenty three beers, and I 378 00:25:15,462 --> 00:25:19,302 Speaker 2: felt that the investigation could have been handled. 379 00:25:19,302 --> 00:25:23,022 Speaker 4: Better by the way. 380 00:25:23,702 --> 00:25:26,302 Speaker 1: I've spoken with other people who were on the ranch 381 00:25:26,382 --> 00:25:28,822 Speaker 1: the day of the search and who said it took 382 00:25:28,902 --> 00:25:33,222 Speaker 1: the Riverside sheriff Department three years to get in touch 383 00:25:33,302 --> 00:25:37,382 Speaker 1: and ask them what they saw. Anyways, when the cops 384 00:25:37,382 --> 00:25:40,542 Speaker 1: called off their search that night at ten thirty five pm, 385 00:25:40,982 --> 00:25:43,862 Speaker 1: they handed over the keys to the entire ranch to 386 00:25:43,982 --> 00:25:48,862 Speaker 1: Clinton and Chrissara, DIA's children. The cops left behind an 387 00:25:48,942 --> 00:25:53,102 Speaker 1: affidavit and a search warrant for the ranch. I found 388 00:25:53,102 --> 00:25:58,262 Speaker 1: something surprising in those documents. A second address was listed 389 00:25:58,982 --> 00:26:03,022 Speaker 1: Diana Fedder's house. I haven't been able to confirm with 390 00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:07,502 Speaker 1: the cops whether they searched her property, she says they didn't. 391 00:26:07,982 --> 00:26:10,862 Speaker 1: It did make me wonder why would they want to 392 00:26:10,902 --> 00:26:16,782 Speaker 1: search her house. I also read through the list of 393 00:26:16,862 --> 00:26:21,622 Speaker 1: all the items the potential evidence that the cops had confiscated. 394 00:26:22,582 --> 00:26:26,222 Speaker 1: There was a netgear router, which, among other things, would 395 00:26:26,262 --> 00:26:28,862 Speaker 1: have info about which cell phones were connected to the 396 00:26:28,902 --> 00:26:34,382 Speaker 1: Wi Fi and any activity from security cameras. There was 397 00:26:34,422 --> 00:26:37,262 Speaker 1: a piece of toilet paper, a band aid, and tan 398 00:26:37,382 --> 00:26:42,222 Speaker 1: bed sheets which the cops noted might have bloodstains on them. 399 00:26:42,382 --> 00:26:48,382 Speaker 1: There were spent bullet shell casings, and lastly, two handwritten notes. 400 00:26:51,862 --> 00:26:55,462 Speaker 1: I was desperate to know more about this evidence. Spent 401 00:26:55,502 --> 00:27:00,102 Speaker 1: bullet casings, handwritten notes. It felt tantalizing to be this 402 00:27:00,422 --> 00:27:03,102 Speaker 1: close and yet not know the significance of it all. 403 00:27:03,782 --> 00:27:07,182 Speaker 1: But the police won't share any more information. In fact, 404 00:27:07,622 --> 00:27:10,062 Speaker 1: I've had little luck getting much of the cops at all. 405 00:27:10,822 --> 00:27:15,062 Speaker 1: I've emailed, called, texted, and they've been so tight lipped 406 00:27:15,502 --> 00:27:18,702 Speaker 1: about what happened that weekend and their investigation at large. 407 00:27:19,422 --> 00:27:26,142 Speaker 1: It's been incredibly frustrating. You'd think the first person the 408 00:27:26,142 --> 00:27:29,542 Speaker 1: cops would question would be Harper. After all, as he 409 00:27:29,582 --> 00:27:32,782 Speaker 1: said himself, the last person to see a missing person 410 00:27:32,822 --> 00:27:38,742 Speaker 1: alive is usually a suspect. But they didn't actually let 411 00:27:38,742 --> 00:27:43,382 Speaker 1: me make that clear. They couldn't question Harper because sometime 412 00:27:43,422 --> 00:27:47,582 Speaker 1: on Monday morning, before the cops show up, Harper left. 413 00:27:48,622 --> 00:27:52,302 Speaker 1: He took off for New Mexico in his white Ford 414 00:27:52,422 --> 00:27:57,062 Speaker 1: motor home with Deer's dog, Ruby, who, according to DEA's friends, 415 00:27:57,662 --> 00:28:03,262 Speaker 1: Harper didn't even like. I asked Harper about this. 416 00:28:04,502 --> 00:28:07,502 Speaker 7: Well, well, I had a cash bill I had to 417 00:28:07,502 --> 00:28:10,022 Speaker 7: take care of. It was totally to be taken care 418 00:28:10,102 --> 00:28:13,302 Speaker 7: of the week before, and we were going to do 419 00:28:13,422 --> 00:28:17,902 Speaker 7: that when we were heading to Colorado in Arizona if 420 00:28:17,902 --> 00:28:19,502 Speaker 7: I have a ranch there as well. 421 00:28:22,502 --> 00:28:25,462 Speaker 1: So to reiterate, he says he had a tax bill 422 00:28:25,542 --> 00:28:29,302 Speaker 1: to take care of in Arizona and that's why he 423 00:28:29,422 --> 00:28:34,142 Speaker 1: left two days after his fiance disappeared. But Harper gave 424 00:28:34,222 --> 00:28:39,022 Speaker 1: Diana an entirely different reason. The morning that he left. 425 00:28:38,702 --> 00:28:40,622 Speaker 4: We were having coffee and. 426 00:28:42,062 --> 00:28:43,982 Speaker 2: We went over to the trail to take a look 427 00:28:44,022 --> 00:28:46,102 Speaker 2: again to see if she could be over there, and 428 00:28:46,142 --> 00:28:49,982 Speaker 2: he told me he had to go back. I think 429 00:28:50,022 --> 00:28:52,702 Speaker 2: you said Arizona, New Mexico. I can't remember which state 430 00:28:52,742 --> 00:28:54,982 Speaker 2: it was that he had to go back to. That 431 00:28:55,062 --> 00:28:58,502 Speaker 2: part on blogging on but he told me about his probation. 432 00:28:59,662 --> 00:29:03,502 Speaker 1: Probation, Diana says, Harper told her he had to go 433 00:29:03,542 --> 00:29:07,142 Speaker 1: and check in with a parole officer. I asked Harper 434 00:29:07,182 --> 00:29:07,942 Speaker 1: about this too. 435 00:29:08,702 --> 00:29:11,142 Speaker 6: No, I heard that too, and I don't know where 436 00:29:11,182 --> 00:29:15,502 Speaker 6: the hell she got that. I don't know where from when. 437 00:29:15,822 --> 00:29:18,902 Speaker 6: When I was in Arizona, I was talking with the 438 00:29:18,902 --> 00:29:22,942 Speaker 6: sheriff's office all the time until I was told by 439 00:29:23,022 --> 00:29:25,982 Speaker 6: Diana that they had come and the ranch was closed. 440 00:29:27,022 --> 00:29:29,222 Speaker 1: He said he took his RV so he'd have somewhere 441 00:29:29,262 --> 00:29:32,062 Speaker 1: to stay when he came back to California because the 442 00:29:32,062 --> 00:29:35,502 Speaker 1: cops told him they were shutting up the ranch. I've 443 00:29:35,542 --> 00:29:38,622 Speaker 1: done a lot of research, and I can't find anything 444 00:29:38,662 --> 00:29:41,102 Speaker 1: that Harper would have been on probation for at that time, 445 00:29:42,062 --> 00:29:46,302 Speaker 1: so that doesn't add up. That leaves the tax bill story, 446 00:29:46,502 --> 00:29:49,302 Speaker 1: which is a little odd. Why would you have to 447 00:29:49,382 --> 00:29:52,102 Speaker 1: drive hundreds of miles to go take care of a 448 00:29:52,182 --> 00:29:55,902 Speaker 1: tax bill? And why would it be so urgent that 449 00:29:55,942 --> 00:29:58,702 Speaker 1: you have to leave two days after your fiancee Go's missing. 450 00:30:02,342 --> 00:30:05,302 Speaker 1: As I waded into this story, I found that getting 451 00:30:05,382 --> 00:30:07,822 Speaker 1: clarity on what might have happened to Dea that day 452 00:30:08,582 --> 00:30:13,422 Speaker 1: was not so straightforward. Over the past few years, I've 453 00:30:13,422 --> 00:30:16,742 Speaker 1: been down endless rabbit holes that have led nowhere and 454 00:30:16,862 --> 00:30:21,062 Speaker 1: hit countless brick walls. They have been many times where 455 00:30:21,062 --> 00:30:24,462 Speaker 1: I've been close to walking away from this story. But 456 00:30:24,542 --> 00:30:27,062 Speaker 1: What's kept me coming back to this, like some bad 457 00:30:27,102 --> 00:30:30,702 Speaker 1: habit I can't quite kick, is the ridiculous amount of 458 00:30:30,742 --> 00:30:34,462 Speaker 1: times I've shouted wait what out loud in my living 459 00:30:34,542 --> 00:30:38,422 Speaker 1: room to myself after finding out some insane new piece 460 00:30:38,422 --> 00:30:42,622 Speaker 1: of information. It's so hard to know who to trust 461 00:30:43,142 --> 00:30:46,302 Speaker 1: because almost everyone I speak to seems to have something 462 00:30:46,342 --> 00:30:50,822 Speaker 1: to gain from Deer's disappearance. Everyone wants their version of 463 00:30:50,862 --> 00:30:53,902 Speaker 1: events to be believed to go down as the truth. 464 00:30:55,142 --> 00:30:57,942 Speaker 1: What happened to Dea has become one of those Internet 465 00:30:57,942 --> 00:31:02,382 Speaker 1: who'd done it yarns that attracts armchair sleuths, a strange 466 00:31:02,502 --> 00:31:06,222 Speaker 1: chorus of anonymous people on Reddit and YouTube, all obsessing 467 00:31:06,382 --> 00:31:09,862 Speaker 1: over the evidence. I mean, I guess I've become one 468 00:31:09,862 --> 00:31:14,142 Speaker 1: of them too. The theories of what happened range from 469 00:31:14,142 --> 00:31:19,342 Speaker 1: plausible to wild speculation. I listened to all of them, 470 00:31:19,382 --> 00:31:23,742 Speaker 1: hoping that somewhere in that pile of theories lies the truth, 471 00:31:24,742 --> 00:31:27,902 Speaker 1: and knowing that very likely one of the people I'm 472 00:31:27,942 --> 00:31:47,742 Speaker 1: speaking to is lying. Coming up this season on Wednesday, people. 473 00:31:47,462 --> 00:31:49,182 Speaker 6: I didn't know were in our family home. 474 00:31:49,302 --> 00:31:51,102 Speaker 5: I had gone up there ever since I was a 475 00:31:51,102 --> 00:31:54,222 Speaker 5: little kid, and now suddenly, you know, other people who 476 00:31:54,262 --> 00:31:57,302 Speaker 5: I suspect had murdered her are moving in. 477 00:31:57,462 --> 00:31:59,542 Speaker 2: I said, well, this guy's acting really suspicious, and I 478 00:31:59,582 --> 00:32:01,502 Speaker 2: have all kinds about where I's going off in my head. 479 00:32:01,622 --> 00:32:04,142 Speaker 4: There's something out right. We were showing Harbor the place, 480 00:32:04,182 --> 00:32:04,982 Speaker 4: and we took them. 481 00:32:04,822 --> 00:32:07,662 Speaker 1: Down the road and looked, and you just. 482 00:32:07,582 --> 00:32:13,462 Speaker 7: Thought were every reason to harm her, But so did 483 00:32:14,422 --> 00:32:15,822 Speaker 7: Hersara and Clinton. 484 00:32:15,942 --> 00:32:18,142 Speaker 3: Just because so much money's involved. 485 00:32:18,462 --> 00:32:21,502 Speaker 4: You can't trust anything, the man says at all. 486 00:32:22,142 --> 00:32:25,102 Speaker 3: Lake literally, he just he's allergic to the truth. 487 00:32:25,302 --> 00:32:29,102 Speaker 5: This story is getting ready to blow wide open. If 488 00:32:29,102 --> 00:32:32,502 Speaker 5: you want some information, we can talk. 489 00:32:52,262 --> 00:32:56,142 Speaker 1: Where's Dear is written and hosted by me Lucy Sheriff. 490 00:32:56,742 --> 00:33:02,262 Speaker 1: Our producer is Daphne Chen. 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