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Speaker 2: DP show Best and Worst of the weekend. What you
Speaker 2: saw that you liked, you didn't like?
Speaker 3: Seaton?
Speaker 2: What's the poll question we're going to go with in
Speaker 2: the final hour of this program. Yeah, we've been doing
Speaker 2: We got a couple of them up there right now.
Speaker 2: Some of them we've been getting some suggestions for. But
Speaker 2: let's see what you have called the traveling violation at
Speaker 2: the end of the Maryland Colorado State Gamekay. Right now,
Speaker 2: fifty six percent of the audience are saying no, okay, no,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't have what I watched initially, I was, I
Speaker 2: was comfortable with it, and I don't have any you know,
Speaker 2: dog in the fight. I just it's weird. How what
Speaker 2: is allowable now? And you almost have to train your
Speaker 2: eye to go. No, it's like James Harden. He taught
Speaker 2: us to train our eye. And you could go back
Speaker 2: to whether it was sharonas Marshall Onas who played for
Speaker 2: Golden State. You know these European players coming in with
Speaker 2: the euro step. Okay, you had to train your eye
Speaker 2: with that initially. But you know that's one of the
Speaker 2: few buzzer beaters that we've had. It's been not exactly
Speaker 2: March Madness. I think the suggestion was march me miss
Speaker 2: all right, we'll get to more phone calls coming up.
Speaker 2: Coach cal will join us as well. A little bit
Speaker 2: of football news, Aaron Rodgers meeting with the Steelers on Friday.
Speaker 2: I don't think there was any other information other than
Speaker 2: I think it was eight hours that they met with
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. And the Giants have had Jamis Winston, but
Speaker 2: that doesn't take them out of the running for a
Speaker 2: quarterback in the first round. You're probably going to have
Speaker 2: three quarterbacks taken. Jaln Milroe and if you go back
Speaker 2: to during the season when my source who's an NFL scout, said,
Speaker 2: there's Lamar Jackson feel about Jalen Milroe, the Alabama quarterback.
Speaker 2: He ran a four to three forty at that size.
Speaker 2: Somebody going to find a way to take him. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he's an end of the first round,
Speaker 2: maybe second round. He's going to be a project. Jackson
Speaker 2: Dart's going to go in the first round. And if
Speaker 2: I'm going to circle the team, I would circle. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll let you guys play the guessing game here, So
Speaker 2: guess the team that I think will take Jackson Dart,
Speaker 2: the Old Miss quarterback, in the first round. Todd, I'm
Speaker 2: going to start with you Cleveland, all right, seton the
Speaker 2: team that will take Jackson Dart in the first round.
Speaker 2: Oh and how about I'll go down a little further.
Speaker 4: Maybe Indianapolis, Okay, Marvin, the Miami Dolphins, all right, Paul,
Speaker 4: the way you're pumping.
Speaker 5: This up, I'm going with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: The Pittsburgh Stealer. Come on, how about that Pittsburgh Steelers
Speaker 2: number twenty one. I think we'll take Jackson Dart in
Speaker 2: the first round. Maybe I have Aaron Rodgers there, maybe
Speaker 2: he can help him mentor Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart looks
Speaker 2: like a first round draft pick like he and he's
Speaker 2: got a star name too. That's a good name to
Speaker 2: be a quarterback. I'm Jackson Dart. Yeah.
Speaker 4: If it was in a movie, though, I'd be like,
Speaker 4: this movie is so stupid, Like, can't you just give
Speaker 4: him a real name, Jackson Dart?
Speaker 2: Nobody would ever be named to that Live on NBC
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Speaker 2: That's on Golf NBC and Peacock. A couple of phone
Speaker 2: calls in here Sean in Indianapolis. I Sean, what do
Speaker 2: you have for me today?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 2: Dan?
Speaker 6: Best and worst of the weekend? It has to be
Speaker 6: the shot of the tournament with Liam McNeely of Yukon
Speaker 6: hitting my over.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then the worst is the worst is just the
Speaker 6: officiating and the reviews at the end of the games
Speaker 6: just making it take forever and it just it just
Speaker 6: takes the excitement out of the end of the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. And I don't know if it feels
Speaker 2: like every year we kind of complain about the same
Speaker 2: things of how it's called uh, you know, swallow a whistle.
Speaker 2: You know the big teams, you know, the favorites they
Speaker 2: get called. I mean we do this all the time.
Speaker 2: Ye see.
Speaker 4: I have a little bit of a hard time with
Speaker 4: my brain reconciling the idea. I'd rather them just get
Speaker 4: the call wrong and do it quicker, then take a
Speaker 4: second and get it right.
Speaker 2: I really have a heart.
Speaker 4: I get the flow of everything, but like may, can't
Speaker 4: we just get the calls wrong and just have it
Speaker 4: move along faster.
Speaker 2: And I'd brought this up to fans before that, you know,
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, thanks forever. It's not instant replay. I go, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know. But their job is to get it right.
Speaker 2: If they give you the technology to do it right.
Speaker 2: It's like you go into the SAT and they give
Speaker 2: you can have a calculator for the SAT. So it'd
Speaker 2: be like if you went in and you go, uhh,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want the essay, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to use my calculator. They give you all the tools
Speaker 2: to be able to get the call right. It's when
Speaker 2: they don't get it right, when they've used replay, that's
Speaker 2: when I have a problem. But the stoppage. Yes, But
Speaker 2: as Seaton says, if I said to you, hey, they're
Speaker 2: totally going to blow this call against your team and
Speaker 2: you're going to get bounced from the tournament. But they're
Speaker 2: going to do it real quick. Are you okay with that?
Speaker 4: It's going to happen in a nice quick manner, like yeah, heck, yeah, great,
Speaker 4: that's exactly what I want. Yeah, forget about the technology
Speaker 4: to get it right, even if it takes an extra
Speaker 4: thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: I don't want that. Yeah, Jerry in Austin, Texas, Hi, Jerry,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 7: Hey?
Speaker 8: Dan sixty sturdy tool five. I got a comment, a request,
Speaker 8: and a best and worst to feel allowed.
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, best and.
Speaker 8: Worst Michigan State making it to the Sweet sixteen. Thank god, man,
Speaker 8: I love that. But worst is that my brackets busted
Speaker 8: because I had Saint John's like a lot of people. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and Patino call in it, but he didn't make it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Rick was not in a good mood at the
Speaker 2: end of the game. Thank you for the phone call there, Jerry.
Speaker 2: He was asked by a reporter the following question, You had.
Speaker 3: RJ on the bench, you know, for a pretty long
Speaker 3: stretch at the end.
Speaker 9: Was that just because he just didn't wasn't making him
Speaker 9: or was there something more to it?
Speaker 10: I played thirty minutes. It's a long time, so he
Speaker 10: was tired. No, played thirty minutes, and I went with
Speaker 10: other people. You already know the answers, Roger, you're asking
Speaker 10: leading questions. Geordy know it, So don't ask leading questions.
Speaker 10: Geordy know why he didn't play?
Speaker 3: Was there one play with ARJ that made you sit
Speaker 3: him the last five minutes?
Speaker 10: You know he was three for seventeen. You know he
Speaker 10: was oh for three, So you're answering your own I'm
Speaker 10: not going to knock one of my.
Speaker 2: Players, although you just recited his stats and that I
Speaker 2: don't know what he played thirty minutes. And then the
Speaker 2: reporter goes, was he tired? No, he was not, So
Speaker 2: what's the thirty minutes mean? He had his chance to
Speaker 2: prove himself and he didn't do it in thirty minutes,
Speaker 2: And as a reporter, you have to ask that question.
Speaker 2: This is the biggiest player of the year. And as
Speaker 2: Jay Billis pointed out, and I said the same thing
Speaker 2: in the first town, take it to the hoop. You
Speaker 2: had some guys in found trouble. Get inside. Hey, my
Speaker 2: jumper is not dropping. Can you dribble? Can you get
Speaker 2: to the hoop? Can you put some pressure on them?
Speaker 2: Can you get some you know, fouls called? I just
Speaker 2: didn't understand that, Yeah, Marvin.
Speaker 9: Yeah, my biggest player of the her is playing forty
Speaker 9: one minutes. Yeah, I know there's forty minutes. He's playing.
Speaker 9: More than that, he's playing every single second. It's the
Speaker 9: NCAA tournament.
Speaker 2: He would have all this week to rest. But I
Speaker 2: just didn't understand.
Speaker 9: That, Like in living and dying with your players that
Speaker 9: got you to this spot.
Speaker 2: Bob and Florida. Hi, Bob, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8: So can you hear me?
Speaker 11: Now?
Speaker 2: I can, Bob.
Speaker 11: Okay, I needed a microphone desk. My best, I got
Speaker 11: a best and the worst for you, and I also
Speaker 11: got a stand of the day for you. So stand
Speaker 11: of the Day, pick the theme you want to use
Speaker 11: the stat of the day after I give you my
Speaker 11: best and horse. Okay, Dad, thanks for calling back. My
Speaker 11: best is the cyclones. My cyclones got it with they
Speaker 11: had ten points but about two minutes to go. But
Speaker 11: my worst is they still lost.
Speaker 6: Okay that stand of the day, Dad.
Speaker 2: All right. Uh, go ahead, real quick, give me your
Speaker 2: stat of the day.
Speaker 11: All right. My stant of the day is watching the
Speaker 11: Tennessee women on Gute and they put a stant up
Speaker 11: that said that Tennessee made one hundred and twenty two
Speaker 11: substitutions on the first half. Apparently there were substituting five
Speaker 11: players at a time.
Speaker 2: All right, well, thank you, Bob. We'll keep an eye
Speaker 2: on that. Jerry and Cincinnati. Hi, Jerry, what's on your
Speaker 2: mind today?
Speaker 3: DP?
Speaker 6: Thanks for taking my Callim Colling about Sean Miller. I'm
Speaker 6: Xavier Alumm and a fan thirty years after being a
Speaker 6: stepping stone for the past twenty years, and all these
Speaker 6: coaches leaving familiar programs, this is the first time I'm
Speaker 6: not but heard about it. R Nile budget for the
Speaker 6: athletic Department's three point one million Texas is probably twelve
Speaker 6: fifteen million. If Sham Miller wouldn't the left, I'd be like, dude,
Speaker 6: what are you doing? Get out of here now?
Speaker 2: I get it. I just Xavier gave him a chance
Speaker 2: after what happened in Arizona. I know, once again, I'm
Speaker 2: very naive that I believe in loyalty, or at least
Speaker 2: a little bit of loyalty here. But that's why I
Speaker 2: have no sympathy for these coaches like ah anil transfer
Speaker 2: portal gonna drive me out of the business. Okay, you
Speaker 2: guys use the transfer portal to take jobs all the time,
Speaker 2: and you guys are getting well compensated. So stop. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's the wild Wow West out there. We can
Speaker 2: all agree with that, but who allowed it to get
Speaker 2: to the wild Wow West. The players didn't have any control.
Speaker 2: They found loopholes. That's it. Not going to compensate, not
Speaker 2: going to compensate. I would hear this even when I
Speaker 2: was playing. I would get the you know how much
Speaker 2: an education cost? Yes, yes I do, but they put
Speaker 2: in I mean, it's a full time job being a
Speaker 2: football or basketball player at to major university. It just is, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're getting a free education. But you're trying to tell
Speaker 2: me that what Johnny Manziel gave to his alma mater
Speaker 2: was just an education. That's it. I mean, let's not
Speaker 2: be naive with it. Everybody can get paid. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: say everybody gets rich, but everybody can get paid. All right,
Speaker 2: We'll take a break, still hoping to hear from coach
Speaker 2: cown Fritzi trying to track him down. Up next, we'll
Speaker 2: talk to Bill Simmons about his documentary on the Celtics.
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Speaker 2: Monday nights through April twenty eighth. As we make way
Speaker 2: for Bill Simmons joining us on the program. Bill, how
Speaker 2: are you? How's morale?
Speaker 13: I'm great? Great to see it great for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yes, it has a better game college basketball NBA. As
Speaker 2: far as the esthetics of watching.
Speaker 14: It, you're asking the wrong person, because I love the
Speaker 14: NBA and college hoops. I have trouble with March madness.
Speaker 14: I just have trouble with especially what I grew up
Speaker 14: with in the eighties, where you felt like you got
Speaker 14: to know these guys over the course of two, three,
Speaker 14: four years, and this year, especially now in the l
Speaker 14: l era, it's just, you know, it's like a fantasy
Speaker 14: draft where you just reset the rosters every year. So
Speaker 14: I think that combined with the style of play, Like
Speaker 14: I went to two NBA games this weekend, Lakers, Bulls,
Speaker 14: and the Bulls were incredible. Okay, see Equippers last night,
Speaker 14: which was like a Round three playoff game, and that
Speaker 14: I was really impressed by the Quippers, how good they were.
Speaker 14: And you go to games like that and you watch
Speaker 14: college and it just to me just feels like such
Speaker 14: an inferior product. So I think unless unless you went
Speaker 14: to one of these colleges, you grew up rooty for them,
Speaker 14: or you just have a major gamly problem, it's fine.
Speaker 14: March madness is fine, but I'm still taking the.
Speaker 2: NBA when it comes to awards, and I got to
Speaker 2: vote on these. I'm sure you probably got to vote
Speaker 2: on NBA awards. And the MVP is always a tricky one.
Speaker 2: And I got criticized because I didn't vote for Barkley
Speaker 2: and didn't vote from alone when they won, I voted
Speaker 2: for Jordan. I think, you know, seven or eight years
Speaker 2: in a row.
Speaker 13: History has remembered you. Finally for that one.
Speaker 2: I think it wasn't a stretch to do that. But
Speaker 2: like Joker, Joker is not going to win the MVP,
Speaker 2: but he is the best player in the NBA SGA
Speaker 2: who didn't play well in the game. You know, the
Speaker 2: win against the Clippers is going to win. I just
Speaker 2: don't know, are we do we follow the Academy Awards. Hey,
Speaker 2: it's your turn, your time to win something. Are we
Speaker 2: doing that with awards or have we been doing that
Speaker 2: with awards?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 14: I mean I would probably put myself in the highest
Speaker 14: percentile of people who stupidly care about.
Speaker 13: This the most.
Speaker 14: Like even when I wrote Mysketball book, I did a
Speaker 14: whole chapter about the MVP and tried to correct every
Speaker 14: injustice every year on the pod the last four or
Speaker 14: five weeks of the season, I'm trying to grind it
Speaker 14: out and make sure you get to the right place
Speaker 14: with somebody. I think the difference this year is SGA
Speaker 14: is incredible and I actually think he's now becoming a
Speaker 14: little bit underrated, Like he's having I think one of
Speaker 14: the best scoring seasons in the history of the guard position.
Speaker 14: Like what he's doing this year, you can put against
Speaker 14: any Jordan regular season, you can put against. It's as
Speaker 14: good as any Kobe season or better except for two
Speaker 14: thousand and six. It's up there with West. It is
Speaker 14: one of the best guard scoring seasons of all time.
Speaker 14: And he's doing it night after night after night. And
Speaker 14: the thing that I care about, and you know, right now,
Speaker 14: with twelve games left.
Speaker 13: I think I'm going to vote for him.
Speaker 14: The thing I care about is every time he goes
Speaker 14: against whoever one of the other best guys in the
Speaker 14: league is, he's either better than them or is equal
Speaker 14: to them, right, So that matters. The fact that his
Speaker 14: team is the best team in the league and he's
Speaker 14: the centrifugal force of that. That the fact that I
Speaker 14: haven't seen really anybody stop him, even last night at
Speaker 14: the Quipper game. I know what his box score was,
Speaker 14: but I went to the game like it was just
Speaker 14: one of those nights, like it was the ball was
Speaker 14: just rolling around the rim, bouncing out like he couldn't
Speaker 14: buy a break the whole night, he was still getting
Speaker 14: the shots he wanted.
Speaker 13: So I think he's been awesome.
Speaker 14: I am probably the number one Joker cheerleader anyone in
Speaker 14: the mainstream media. I just think he's one of the
Speaker 14: best ten to twelve players of all time.
Speaker 13: And he's certainly the best player of this generation.
Speaker 14: But you know, I don't know what if OKC wins
Speaker 14: sixty nine seventy games and SGA's gonna average thirty three
Speaker 14: a game and have fifty to thirty point games and
Speaker 14: do all the stuff he's doing.
Speaker 13: I think it's a fair one. I think it's the
Speaker 13: right vote.
Speaker 2: You think Joker's already one of the twelve best players
Speaker 2: in the history of the game.
Speaker 14: I think he's definitely he's at least moved into that class,
Speaker 14: you know, And this is another thing I probably care
Speaker 14: about too much, and I redo my pyramid every year
Speaker 14: with the Tears, and I'm a huge loser. But he's
Speaker 14: at least in that group with Jakeem and Shaq and
Speaker 14: Moses in that kind of territory.
Speaker 13: And I think when you're.
Speaker 14: Talking about the best offensive players year after year who
Speaker 14: can both get their stats and make everybody better. To me,
Speaker 14: he's in the bird magic area offensively, and I mean
Speaker 14: you know me well enough Dan to know like I
Speaker 14: wouldn't say that lightly, but when you think like he can,
Speaker 14: how he can elevate his teams, the stats that he
Speaker 14: just gets to night after night, like just the experience
Speaker 14: of watching him day to day where it's like he'll
Speaker 14: just put up a thirty five twenty and fifteen and
Speaker 14: we're like, WHOA a big game for the Joker last night.
Speaker 13: We're almost like numb to it at this point.
Speaker 14: So, yeah, he's I think he's one of the best
Speaker 14: offensive players I've ever seen. So yeah, could he win
Speaker 14: three MVPs in five years or war? I'm not sure
Speaker 14: it matters. I just think he's in the combo now.
Speaker 2: Historically, yeah, we're talking to Bill Simmons and the show
Speaker 2: HBO docu series on Max Celtics City. When did the
Speaker 2: idea first start? The genesis of it.
Speaker 14: Might have been before COVID or right around COVID, when
Speaker 14: we found out the Lakers were doing a multi part
Speaker 14: thing for somebody, and you know, the Boston thing kicked
Speaker 14: in immediately got competitive or like, well we got to
Speaker 14: come up with a better one than theirs. Theirs is
Speaker 14: already coming gone. But you know, we I got together
Speaker 14: with Connor, who I created thirty for thirty with, and
Speaker 14: just try to figure out, like, man, if one of
Speaker 14: these franchise things was ever going to work, because obviously
Speaker 14: there's going to be a few of them that are done.
Speaker 14: This is probably the one with the highest upside because
Speaker 14: you can tell the story of eight decades of the NBA.
Speaker 14: You can tell a lot of things about America through
Speaker 14: the Celtics, you know, whether you talk about race or
Speaker 14: drugs or business or the evolution of the NBA, things
Speaker 14: like that, and then the characters and I found out
Speaker 14: I'm sure you felt the same way. During the last Dance.
Speaker 14: I was shocked by how little people knew about anything
Speaker 14: before the two thousands, about the NBA. It's almost like
Speaker 14: most people felt like the NBA started when Shaq and
Speaker 14: Kobe had the Three Peet so like they had the
Speaker 14: Rodman episode in the last Dance, and the people in
Speaker 14: my life were like, wow, that Dennis Rodman. He was crazy, huh,
Speaker 14: And I'm like, what, Like, you don't remember this. So
Speaker 14: we just felt like there was such an upside with
Speaker 14: the whole Celtics story going from Koozy to Russell and
Speaker 14: you know, all the way through the seventies and how
Speaker 14: it intersected with Boston was a big thing because it's
Speaker 14: a story about the Celtics.
Speaker 13: And the city.
Speaker 14: But now, like the One Tonight, it's really that there's
Speaker 14: three straight kind of Bird era episodes in a row,
Speaker 14: and the one Tonight is about Boston and Philly in
Speaker 14: the early eighties and Bird kind of ascending, and it's like,
Speaker 14: this is the first one where I feel like, if
Speaker 14: you're probably under maybe sixty, or maybe you're over I
Speaker 14: don't know, over twenty five, you're gonna remember all the
Speaker 14: aspects of this. And then from people under twenty five,
Speaker 14: I think they're going to enjoy it. So it's been
Speaker 14: an amazing project to work on.
Speaker 2: I don't know how tricky this was for you. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's not the right word, but you want to get
Speaker 2: a mass audience with this. You know that it's regional
Speaker 2: with the Celtics, but you want to make it national.
Speaker 2: The race part of it with Bill Russell when the
Speaker 2: Celtics is very very powerful, But how do you factor
Speaker 2: in making this for maybe mass appeal or the casual
Speaker 2: basketball fan.
Speaker 13: Yeah, you're trying to do both, and it's also an
Speaker 13: old school documentary.
Speaker 14: I don't there's not a lot of these long multi
Speaker 14: partiers anywhere on the and the HBO model I think
Speaker 14: actually favors us because one of the ways documentaries and
Speaker 14: docuseries have changed this decade is they most of the
Speaker 14: places dump all of them at once, right.
Speaker 13: And you just binge it, and you're binging it and
Speaker 13: you're also doing something else, and you know, you can
Speaker 13: just zoom through something and whatever.
Speaker 14: Maybe you watch six episodes of something and you really
Speaker 14: only concentrate for half of it. I think in this case,
Speaker 14: like we're making nine one hour movies here, we're trying
Speaker 14: to tell a bigger story than just hey, here's the
Speaker 14: Celtics and was this game incredible?
Speaker 13: Like we're really trying to dive into some stuff, and.
Speaker 14: Especially how a franchise intersects with a city and a country,
Speaker 14: you know.
Speaker 13: So I think for us, we just I felt this
Speaker 13: way when we.
Speaker 14: Did you know, the first thirty thirty for thirties and
Speaker 14: some of the other stuff I worked on, Like, if
Speaker 14: something's good enough, people are gonna find it.
Speaker 13: So I think that was our mission this whole time.
Speaker 13: Can we make this good enough?
Speaker 14: That somebody is going to be suspicious of it and say, maybe, eh,
Speaker 14: I don't mean to see that. I don't really care
Speaker 14: about the Celtics, like care about basketball. You're gonna enjoy
Speaker 14: watching this, like and I think that's.
Speaker 13: The spot we got to.
Speaker 2: But also I go back to the first time I
Speaker 2: went to the Ballard. So I'm working at CNN, Celtics
Speaker 2: are in the NBA Finals, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you walk into that building and okay, it's esthetically not pleasing.
Speaker 2: It was, you know, a dump, but you felt like
Speaker 2: it was a stage. Like it was a Broadway stage
Speaker 2: when I when I was growing up, seventy six or
Speaker 2: Celtics on Sunday afternoon. The way the building was lit,
Speaker 2: it just looked like a Broadway show. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: I could not wait to shoot hoops on that floor.
Speaker 2: And I would go there three hours early. Bird would
Speaker 2: be in there, whether he's shooting or he'd run. You'd
Speaker 2: run around the upper deck and I would just wait
Speaker 2: until he was done. And if that ball was out there,
Speaker 2: I went over it absolutely absolutely, And so I was
Speaker 2: very fortunate that you know, you had Magic and Bird
Speaker 2: being there. When Magic hits the skyhook and so when
Speaker 2: I see it, it brings back the memories of and
Speaker 2: maybe I didn't appreciate it as much I loved it,
Speaker 2: but even looking back, it was I mean, that was
Speaker 2: unbelievable rivalries, unbelievable talent, and the personalities, the characters, the
Speaker 2: all time greats that came out of those matchups. I
Speaker 2: just I loved reminiscing about it, and it gave me
Speaker 2: I'd look forward to the Bird episodes because I got
Speaker 2: to spend a lot of a lot more time with
Speaker 2: Larry than I thought I was going to. But that
Speaker 2: was the fun part of it. I don't know when
Speaker 2: you first said I love this, this team is me.
Speaker 2: It's my DNA.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean my dad got one season ticket in
Speaker 14: the seventy three seventy four season. He's had him ever since,
Speaker 14: so it's I think he's like the fifth oldest season
Speaker 14: ticket older. So he would carry me in when I
Speaker 14: was a kid. And then eventually we got two tickets
Speaker 14: right before Bird showed up. But we went to the
Speaker 14: triple overtime game, which we covered in episode three. And yeah,
Speaker 14: I think one of the cool things about the seventies
Speaker 14: and eighties, first of all, in the fifties and sixties,
Speaker 14: basketball was it was.
Speaker 13: A minor league sport, but it was.
Speaker 14: It was the fourth sport. Baseball was the biggest. Football
Speaker 14: was right there behind it, and honestly, hockey was bigger
Speaker 14: than basketball. They created basketball because the hockey owners wanted
Speaker 14: to fill their buildings on the days where they didn't
Speaker 14: have hockey. So it took, you know, fifteen twenty years.
Speaker 14: They had a bunch of weird racial quotas and a
Speaker 14: bunch of like pretty unseemly stuff, and it wasn't really
Speaker 14: until the mid sixties that the league started becoming the league.
Speaker 14: You go into the seventies and it was still pretty
Speaker 14: rinky dank for the most part. Right, they had the
Speaker 14: one TV contract, the ABA showed up, so some of
Speaker 14: the players weren't even in the league. And you know,
Speaker 14: in that trip ol t game, it started at nine
Speaker 14: to seventeen at night. The Boston fans said, they're all
Speaker 14: blue collar fans, they'd been out since four in the afternoon,
Speaker 14: and they're hammered, and you know it was they charged
Speaker 14: the quarter after second overtime, one guy jumped the referee
Speaker 14: like that's just what the era was like. And then
Speaker 14: as you you go to the eighties and the nineties,
Speaker 14: the league starts to shift. Jordan shows up, All Star Weekend,
Speaker 14: Stern Bird versus Magic, and it kind of rounds into
Speaker 14: where we end up in the nineties. But it took
Speaker 14: a long time to get there, and there were people
Speaker 14: like us that really loved the league. But it was,
Speaker 14: you know, a contrary opinion. To tell somebody your favorite
Speaker 14: sport was the NBA, it was like, what really? And
Speaker 14: now it seems like they have probably the most famous
Speaker 14: players out of any sport. It's not the biggest league,
Speaker 14: but I think they have the most famous players.
Speaker 2: Who was your favorite interview in this docu series?
Speaker 13: You know, I was stunned by how good Robert Parrish was.
Speaker 14: I think when you do these and we interviewed like
Speaker 14: one hundred people, you're always hoping for a couple ones
Speaker 14: you didn't expect. And Parish was somebody who was pretty
Speaker 14: quiet when he played to called them that they nick
Speaker 14: them the chief after the guy in the one floor
Speaker 14: over was in Cuckoo's nest who never talked, but he
Speaker 14: just had a lot of like forty year of pent
Speaker 14: up stuff to say, and he was really charismatic. And
Speaker 14: you do these things all right. Part of the issue
Speaker 14: we had was a lot of the people from the
Speaker 14: first three episodes weren't alive anymore, you know, and so.
Speaker 13: You're cheating with different old footage.
Speaker 14: And our director of Laurence still did a great job
Speaker 14: kind of weaving footage of people who weren't around anymore
Speaker 14: and making it seem at least a little lively. And
Speaker 14: once we get into the eighties, then we have everybody,
Speaker 14: you know, so like Michao Parrish, we got Larry, all
Speaker 14: these guys, all these guys are great, and then you know,
Speaker 14: we got KG. Was probably the last one we got
Speaker 14: because I think he was a little maybe suspicious of
Speaker 14: the thing and you're not going to move this. But
Speaker 14: kg's interviews of Basic that was the other one where
Speaker 14: he's just he's just like that at all times.
Speaker 13: So you just turn a camera on and he's KG.
Speaker 2: But Isaiah didn't want to do it.
Speaker 14: Now we're you know, and I know Isaiah, and I
Speaker 14: knew why he didn't want to do it. I think
Speaker 14: he felt, you know, I think the Last Dance and
Speaker 14: some other sports documentaries that have happened over the last
Speaker 14: ten years, nobody wants to be in somebody else's doc
Speaker 14: when they're like the other team in the sports movie, right,
Speaker 14: like when we the first thirty thirty thirties we did
Speaker 14: we get anybody, you know, and people say, Hey, we're
Speaker 14: doing this documentary, can we come film?
Speaker 13: You're sure?
Speaker 14: And that started a shift in the mid twenty tens.
Speaker 14: And I get it, you know, like if somebody was
Speaker 14: making a documentary about ESPN, I don't know if I'd
Speaker 14: want to be in it, you know, I don't know how,
Speaker 14: And I'm sure you would feel the same way, like, wait,
Speaker 14: how am I going to be portrayed?
Speaker 13: So I get it.
Speaker 14: But it also makes these things a little bit harder
Speaker 14: and an increase the degree of difficulties.
Speaker 13: So we didn't have We didn't have Barkley either.
Speaker 14: Barkley will talk to like, you know, a lamppost about basketball,
Speaker 14: but some of the people that are the on the
Speaker 14: other side, they just don't want to do it.
Speaker 2: Congrats on it so far, Bill, good to catch up
Speaker 2: with you again. Thanks for joining.
Speaker 13: Yeah, good to see you too. Thanks.
Speaker 2: That's Bill Simmons. He is bringing you Celtic City. He's
Speaker 2: the executive producer HBO and tonight another episode and it'll
Speaker 2: be going through April twenty eight, We'll take a break
Speaker 2: Arkansas head coach Dohn Calliperry. Next.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAP.
Speaker 2: John Caliperi Hall of Famer Beat Kansas Beat Saint. John's
Speaker 2: got Texas Tech coming up this Thursday. Back on the show,
Speaker 2: Back in the sweet sixteen, Look who is Look who
Speaker 2: proved he could still coach? Congratulations there, John, Thank you
Speaker 2: Dan Patrick.
Speaker 3: That's the ugliest top I've seen in the Wow. It
Speaker 3: befits you though, So it's it's it's good.
Speaker 2: Well what's uglier your sport coat from this weekend?
Speaker 3: Or like that sport coat?
Speaker 2: Hey, you won with it. It looks a whole lot
Speaker 2: better when you win. And this is this is a
Speaker 2: gift from Adam Sandler.
Speaker 3: This is Yeah, you're out hitting golf bolls. But do
Speaker 3: you would you? Would you? I think it's in the
Speaker 3: bag to go this weekend, that sport coat. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: in the bag.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll travel with it. Okay. And when you're done
Speaker 2: with it, maybe you could send it to the man
Speaker 2: cav I will I'll.
Speaker 3: Deliver it to the cabin in Maine. Okay, I'll hand
Speaker 3: deliver it.
Speaker 2: Are you an underdog?
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, I'm fine with that. Like, look, most of
Speaker 7: my career was should and Wooden can't, won't. I mean
Speaker 7: we've been the underdog. You remember you match, you came
Speaker 7: up and did some games, you went on the court,
Speaker 7: shot air balls and you know some of the stuff there,
Speaker 7: and the Memphis the same thing, and you know, we
Speaker 7: had a pretty good run at Kentucky and there was
Speaker 7: that eight nine year period where yeah we were the one.
Speaker 7: But you know, most of my career I've been that
Speaker 7: and so I'm fine in that role. I'm comfortable in
Speaker 7: the role. I'm just trying to make sure my team
Speaker 7: miscomfortable in that role. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, are you telling them
Speaker 2: it's nobody believed in US, US against the world. No,
Speaker 2: none of them.
Speaker 7: No, I'm just saying we're the underdog, and every time
Speaker 7: they play in those kind of games, they play well.
Speaker 7: I think, look, we're at that point in the year.
Speaker 7: The whole thing is how do I get them to
Speaker 7: have that mindset that we had against Saint John's Because look,
Speaker 7: there's two things happened. We went two for nineteen from
Speaker 7: the three and gave up twenty eight offensive rebounds, but
Speaker 7: still one. We played to win. Don't matter what happens,
Speaker 7: don't matter they got a rebound. Just keep playing and
Speaker 7: we keep them in that attitude and that mindset. It
Speaker 7: doesn't mean you're going to win, but it gives you
Speaker 7: a good chance to win.
Speaker 2: How do you keep the relationship or whatever with Patino
Speaker 2: out of going into a game, coaching a game and
Speaker 2: making it about the game, that it's not about you
Speaker 2: against Rick.
Speaker 7: If you went through the year we went through when
Speaker 7: we were zero to five, when we were one and six,
Speaker 7: and they said they got no chance of making the
Speaker 7: NCA tournament. When you're playing games, you're not worried about
Speaker 7: the other coach, you're about survival. I wasn't worried about
Speaker 7: match and went no chess game. I wasn't he out coaching.
Speaker 7: I didn't care. It was about let's just win, because
Speaker 7: what these kids went through, they deserved good to happen
Speaker 7: because they came together.
Speaker 3: They became one heartbeat, and well, what did you do?
Speaker 11: What did I do?
Speaker 3: They knew if they.
Speaker 7: Didn't come together, they were gonna lose every game and
Speaker 7: they figured this, You know what, I'm so worried about myself.
Speaker 7: If I worry about the team more than myself, maybe
Speaker 7: it's easier. And they found out it was easier.
Speaker 2: How do you balance coaching right now and the transfer
Speaker 2: portal all in the same week of preparing and transfer
Speaker 2: portal starts today.
Speaker 7: Well, we yesterday was a kind of long day, got
Speaker 7: a lot of film work done, got practice plans prepared,
Speaker 7: the staff meetings where we were doing everything, and then
Speaker 7: in the end I said, all right, let's let's talk now.
Speaker 7: Before you can figure out portal, don't you have to
Speaker 7: know who's coming back and who's leaving. So I don't
Speaker 7: know of anybody in these sixteen teams that is sitting
Speaker 7: down with players and say are you coming back? Or
Speaker 7: you can put your name into portal with you know.
Speaker 7: So it's just difficult right now. But we've got names
Speaker 7: and you know. And what I would say with anybody listening,
Speaker 7: if you want to get better, if you want to
Speaker 7: be challenged, if you want to really play with good
Speaker 7: players be coached as oh, you've already gotten there to
Speaker 7: be hugged and challenged and make you uncomfortable, and then
Speaker 7: you come with me, you come to Arkansas.
Speaker 3: But right now we're not on the phone with anybody yet.
Speaker 3: My staff. Maybe I shouldn't say that. My staff may
Speaker 3: be but I'm not.
Speaker 2: When will you be open or paying more attention to
Speaker 2: the portal yourself.
Speaker 7: If there's a young man that we know is really,
Speaker 7: really good and he wants to do this and wants
Speaker 7: to talk to me, he won't believe this, I probably
Speaker 7: get on the phone with them and say, hey, let's
Speaker 7: do this. But short of that, it's probably mostly staff.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: My hope is that we have a group We have
Speaker 3: some guys that won't.
Speaker 7: Be back because they're graduated out or they're going to,
Speaker 7: you know, put their name in the draft and all that,
Speaker 7: but there is another grouping of players who are really
Speaker 7: good that probably need more time that we do that.
Speaker 7: We already have three guys freshmen signed. And I'm gonna
Speaker 7: say this again, and I said it after I'm still
Speaker 7: recruiting freshmen. I'll recruit the best freshmen. And as you
Speaker 7: saw last game, three of them played a lot of minutes.
Speaker 7: But I can't recruit seven or eight freshmen. So we
Speaker 7: got one more freshman. We're trying to get we've.
Speaker 3: Got three one that you know, they're they're all really good.
Speaker 7: Okay, but we're trying to get one more and then
Speaker 7: who comes back, and then probably a couple of transfers,
Speaker 7: and that'll be our team.
Speaker 2: Is the SEC of football conference or a basketball conference.
Speaker 7: You're trying to get me in trouble. Last time I
Speaker 7: said something like that stuff, people went nuts. And then
Speaker 7: you find out that you know, they're investing in what
Speaker 7: they want.
Speaker 3: So I look it.
Speaker 7: I told our baseball coach, who's there were number one
Speaker 7: in the country, and you know right there, they're gonna
Speaker 7: win a College World Series. Every game they played every weekend,
Speaker 7: they knew they could win or lose. What about the
Speaker 7: football you want to say, Vandy, Well we got Vandy. Yeah,
Speaker 7: go play Vandy, go play them. Now, well we could
Speaker 7: play Mississippi. Yeah, go play Mississippi, Play Arkansas Tennessee, and
Speaker 7: you get beat. I mean that's what happens. Well it's
Speaker 7: now basketball the same way, and its top to bottom.
Speaker 7: Our bottom two teams would have figured finished in the
Speaker 7: top half of most leagues.
Speaker 3: They were that good. But they got into this league
Speaker 3: and they started.
Speaker 7: It was like Oklahoma when thirteen and oh beat people
Speaker 7: got in the league and couldn't win early. We were
Speaker 7: zeroing five to start, and I knew we weren't bad.
Speaker 7: I wasn't sure, but five and we survived it. And
Speaker 7: now it looks as though how many SEC teams are
Speaker 7: in the sweet sixteen seven you don't know?
Speaker 2: Ask your people seven. Okay, Yeah, you underestimate me. And
Speaker 2: that's when you make a mission.
Speaker 3: Always under it.
Speaker 2: Yes you have, and I've always overestimated you. Uh finish this.
Speaker 2: We will make the final four.
Speaker 3: If the other team doesn't make twenty threerees.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: Well, don't screw it up. Now you got this far.
Speaker 2: You got to go further than Kentucky, don't you.
Speaker 7: No, not worried about them. This is what's happened for us.
Speaker 7: This season has been the most rewarding season. I've had
Speaker 7: seasons where we won more games and won national titles
Speaker 7: and final.
Speaker 3: Fours and Elite eights.
Speaker 7: I've had all those, But what this team has been
Speaker 7: through to survive it, it's been as rewarding as any season.
Speaker 7: It talks a lot about the character of these kids,
Speaker 7: how they were raised, that they could withstand the onslaught Dan.
Speaker 7: These kids all of them have pianos on their backs
Speaker 7: because of nil.
Speaker 3: Well, they're paid, they should do this, and they're trying to.
Speaker 7: Live up to expectations. It's a piano. Families are involved
Speaker 7: more than ever before.
Speaker 3: Why nil?
Speaker 7: And then social media and you know what the worst
Speaker 7: is for the kids talk radio. I mean, all that
Speaker 7: stuff is out there that they got to deal with
Speaker 7: and then the expectations are winning pianos on their backs.
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Thanks Danny.
Speaker 7: I need to know the cabin. Do you have a
Speaker 7: studio in the cabin in case you want to do
Speaker 7: it up there?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: I knew it. I knew it. Do you let your
Speaker 3: guys come up and stay or do they got to
Speaker 3: go to a hotel?
Speaker 2: No, they don't get invited. It's like Mike right, you're
Speaker 2: very selfish.
Speaker 3: But you know what's great, You've been consistent your whole life.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. Coach John Caliperi, Arkansas head coach.
Speaker 2: All right, this day and sports history, Paulie, what do
Speaker 2: you have for me?
Speaker 5: Still soca?
Speaker 2: That one?
Speaker 5: In nineteen thirty six, the Detroit Red Wings beat the
Speaker 5: Montreal Maroons one zero. First goal not scored until the
Speaker 5: sixth overtime period of the Stanley Cup semifinal.
Speaker 2: That's a weird one.
Speaker 5: Muhammad Ali in nineteen seventy five knocked out Chuck Webner
Speaker 5: in the fifteenth round. That propelled that into the movie
Speaker 5: Rocky Down.
Speaker 2: The Road that Chuck Webner went fifteen rounds. You know
Speaker 2: what I did over the weekend. I went to Wiston, Maine.
Speaker 2: That's where the Ali Liston fight was held in nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty five. And I'm part of a documentary on Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 2: They're building a statue of him in Lewiston. There's no
Speaker 2: other statue in America of Muhammad Ali, but they're going
Speaker 2: to be putting up a statue at the end of May.
Speaker 2: Part of a great group doing a documentary on that
Speaker 2: fight in Lewiston, Maine. And some of the footage interviews
Speaker 2: are really really remarkable. Let me see if I have
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty Louisville beat UCLA its first NCUBA championship, and
Speaker 2: most of these on this date have to do with
Speaker 2: winning chan Cincinnati beat Ohio State to win its second
Speaker 2: straight NCUBLEA championship. All right, let me see, let's go
Speaker 2: around the room. What we learned on the program Tod
Speaker 2: did you learn anything today?
Speaker 11: I did.
Speaker 4: With the lack of cinderellas in the top seeds advancing,
Speaker 4: It's kind of March Chalkie Madness.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're gonna stay with that wall to Wallston to finish, Satan.
Speaker 2: What did you learn today? More like March Marvin? What
Speaker 2: did you learn today?
Speaker 9: Bill Simmons cares about MVP awards?
Speaker 2: Yeah he does. It is Marv Madness, by the way, Sure,
Speaker 2: yes it is. I got to get my sweatshirt, my
Speaker 2: Marv Madness sweatshirt. Paulie, would you learn today? Coach cal
Speaker 2: sticking with the sport code? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Why not?
Speaker 2: Todd? What did I learn on today's program?
Speaker 6: Except for maybe the Duchies in Florida, Maryland?
Speaker 9: They have the best starting five, the crab five, but
Speaker 9: they have no depth?
Speaker 2: Yeah they don't. The starters scored seventy of the seventy
Speaker 2: two points that they scored. Let me see anything else.
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