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Speaker 1: edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My name is

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Speaker 1: Dan Hansas. I come to you from the virtual room

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Speaker 1: built as some heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosendal. What's up boys,

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Speaker 1: Ricky Hollywood. I know we're not to the offseason, yet

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Speaker 1: we're edging there. That that doesn't check out them? Come

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Speaker 1: on in Erica. This is what listeners try to do

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Speaker 1: when they think they're funny and clever and picking up.

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Speaker 1: You're the one that's choosing the thing for the listeners

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Speaker 1: You have you can choose by it, but that's fine.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think that it's fair to say that

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Speaker 1: I think there's two people on the show right now.

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Speaker 1: Based on the tone of comment, I would claim one

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Speaker 1: back now at all. Before I didn't claim who I

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Speaker 1: can't know one should be offended. You should think it's

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Speaker 1: the other two people I'm talking about. Yes, if you

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Speaker 1: is the Championships Sunday preview edition of the Around the

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Speaker 1: NFL podcast. It's a good one, boys, Oh, it's a

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Speaker 1: good one because we have guests galore to talk the

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Speaker 1: NFC title game between the Packers and Bucks. Will have

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Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf, old friend of the show who's hasn't been

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Speaker 1: on in a minute, as they say, so, she's rejoining us.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait for that. And for the first time Bill

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Speaker 1: uh in the NFL coverage for that particular website, He

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Speaker 1: some news to get through. We'll kind of stick that

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Speaker 1: right in the middle halftime style. Uh. This feels like

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Speaker 1: greg show not to be missed. If you are a

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Speaker 1: football joke. It's a cracker. You know. Sometimes you get

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Speaker 1: to these championship weekends, some teams they don't really feel

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Speaker 1: like they belong. Like last year's Packers team. Okay, it's

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Speaker 1: like you trying to convince yourself, Saron Rodgers. It's like

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Speaker 1: good call, Like Raheem Mostert isn't gonna go off for

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Speaker 1: two thirties, seven and four on some overmatched want to

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Speaker 1: great football. Uh, let's get into it. Yes, and let's

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Speaker 1: start with the a f C title game. I mean,

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Speaker 1: for ESPN, and his name is Bill Barnwell, and now

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Speaker 1: I it feels strange that it hasn't happened before. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that you can get right physically. We have a chief

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Speaker 1: team here that we know are aggressive in the secondary.

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Speaker 1: We know that whether it's tarn Matthew, whether it's their corners,

431
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Speaker 1: they're going to go for plays there there. They are

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Speaker 1: susceptible at times to double moves. Now, they have the

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Speaker 1: athletic ability to catch up and make plays. But if

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Speaker 1: you have a guy who is an incredible deep passer

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Speaker 1: and Josh Allen and you have a you know, a

436
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Speaker 1: guy and John Brown who can get open, wouldn't be crazy.

437
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Speaker 1: I mean it plays last week John Brown he was there,

438
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Speaker 1: he was active, he was making plays, he looked healthy.

439
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Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't rule that out in the slightest.

440
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Speaker 1: We've seen Sammy Watkins last year where he was a

441
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Speaker 1: non factor for most of the season after Week one,

442
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Speaker 1: and then suddenly in the postseason. Who has the big

443
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Speaker 1: play to seal up the a f C championship game.

444
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Speaker 1: That's Sammy Watkins. Who has the play the Durell Reevos

445
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Speaker 1: fantasy play where he stacks Richard Sherman and goes for

446
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Speaker 1: a forty yard game. It's Sammy Watkins. So I don't

447
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Speaker 1: think you can rule anything out with John Brown based

448
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Speaker 1: and how he played this season. I think that we've

449
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Speaker 1: we've watched like twenty plus of these two these championship games,

450
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Speaker 1: thirty and it's like there's always unsuspecting characters that pop

451
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: up in the final five to six minutes of these

452
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: games who are etched in history. And it's not someone

453
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Speaker 1: that we're probably spending this week talking about. It will

454
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Speaker 1: be a defensive back, the fourth defensive back on one

455
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Speaker 1: of these teams. I think the receiver depth because like

456
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Speaker 1: if Watkins returns, I think that helps them, or DeMarcus Robinson,

457
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Speaker 1: whatever it is I love the matt like I'd be

458
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Speaker 1: a little word, you know, if I'm a Bills fan

459
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Speaker 1: or a Chief fan, Like the depth that cornerback for

460
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Speaker 1: both teams is pretty week. We don't know if bad

461
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Speaker 1: Brian is playing as White Sneaky has struggled about two

462
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Speaker 1: or three straight weeks. So like when if your best

463
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Speaker 1: player is struggling, whether he's matched up against Kelsey or Hill, like,

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Speaker 1: then it's certain you know, it goes down to our

465
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Speaker 1: old Sky Sports colleague Josh Norman, or you're gonna trust

466
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Speaker 1: him one on one. I don't know in a big spot,

467
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Speaker 1: or it's the other way around. It's like Gabe Davis

468
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Speaker 1: versus some of these um Chiefs cornerbacks. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm just wishful thinking because whether it's the

470
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Speaker 1: Chiefs are not, I just want a lot of points.

471
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Speaker 1: And by the way, if Chad Henny starts this game,

472
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Speaker 1: I'm changing my lock that's allowed. I'll probably a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: can I flip it right to the Bills? Probably If

474
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Speaker 1: Chad Henny's right, well, I won't be flipping to the

475
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Speaker 1: Chiefs and a lock off. In that scenario, I could

476
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Speaker 1: see a Josh Dorman passing reference penalty having a big

477
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Speaker 1: role in this game something. And that's one question you

478
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Speaker 1: ahead uh conspiracy theory asked question. Now, there have been

479
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Speaker 1: people who have said, during the second half of the season, Oh,

480
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs just saving their their money plays. They're saving

481
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Speaker 1: their creativity for the postseason. That's why the offense is

482
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Speaker 1: so boring. Did we see enough last week early in

483
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Speaker 1: that game, or do you think they're possibly saving it

484
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Speaker 1: for this game or the or the Super Bowl? Do

485
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Speaker 1: you think Andy Reid still has stuff in the tank

486
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Speaker 1: and argant style stuff in the tank that we haven't

487
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Speaker 1: seen this year? Yes, you do? Okay, I like that.

488
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Speaker 1: I I I think pretty much every time we say

489
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Speaker 1: that about the NFL team, they do not have the

490
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Speaker 1: patience or I don't think they've been saving it, but

491
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Speaker 1: Andy Reid always comes up with some It's Andy Reid

492
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Speaker 1: is probably like, you know, hunched over a napkin right now,

493
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Speaker 1: coming up with something that no one's seen before, just

494
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Speaker 1: because it's Andy Reid. If you said this about like,

495
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Speaker 1: you know, some other um, you know, trash bag team

496
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Speaker 1: like we do, I think the Detroit Lions are saving

497
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Speaker 1: things on a week's week basis. I don't think that

498
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Speaker 1: they've figured out the fundamental playbook to begin with Kansas

499
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Speaker 1: City and Andy Reid totally different about this, Mark Alternate

500
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Speaker 1: Reality is a Browns fan. Obviously things didn't work out

501
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Speaker 1: the way you wanted to last week. Patrick Holmes stays

502
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Speaker 1: healthy and you still get back into the game, and

503
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Speaker 1: then this trick play that they've had waiting, they kill

504
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: you with like a minute and fourteen seconds to play

505
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Speaker 1: with a trick play that becomes legendary. Look at it

506
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Speaker 1: that way. You might have lost the game last week,

507
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Speaker 1: but it could have been a heart wrenching loss with

508
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Speaker 1: that hidden trick play coming out. That's possible. I think

509
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Speaker 1: if Mahomes had played that whole game with the way

510
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Speaker 1: Cleveland's defenses um, that would have been like a forty

511
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Speaker 1: five point output. And I'd still think Kansas City tried

512
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Speaker 1: to do with little, trying to show as little as

513
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Speaker 1: they could against the Browns. So I don't think. I

514
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Speaker 1: don't know if they're saving it. But man, I never

515
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Speaker 1: I never do. Never adabt me some Andy Reid, But

516
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Speaker 1: you were saying on this show last week that people

517
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Speaker 1: don't see what's happening with the Browns, and there's something

518
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Speaker 1: special going on here. You can't now say it was

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Speaker 1: gonna be a forty Burger drop. I'm just saying with

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Speaker 1: that was before the game, the way that I watched

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Speaker 1: you know that start to take place, I'm confident they was.

522
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Speaker 1: I also said that none of us know anything, and

523
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Speaker 1: most of what we say turns out to be wrong.

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Speaker 1: So true, Bhil before we let you go, Um, I

525
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Speaker 1: would love a pick for both games this weekend, and

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Speaker 1: then plug what what you're up to other than your

527
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Speaker 1: fine work on the ESPN dot. I will go Chiefs. Sorry, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you've kind of been a Bill's guy. I will go Bucks.

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Speaker 1: As the Bucks heat up Aaron Rodgers enough to win

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Speaker 1: that game in the Bill Barnwell show. You know that

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Speaker 1: your podcast check Now, if he's not gonna pump himself up,

532
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: we gotta do it. Last time I saw Bill Um

533
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Speaker 1: was at the combine it and we went to dinner

534
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Speaker 1: with someone who wouldn't shake our hands and said we

535
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Speaker 1: should not be hugging because of coronavirus, and and they

536
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: were right, and Bill and I were kind of like, oh,

537
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Speaker 1: come on, taking it like dr you're on top of it.

538
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Speaker 1: It was I was like, you're right, you're right. It

539
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Speaker 1: was also like, surprisingly during that dinner, A real tape dog.

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Speaker 1: That's the term. We don't watch a film around here, Bill.

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Speaker 1: We we are tape dogs. We tape dogging. All right,

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Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell, thank you so much, buddy, was a long

543
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Speaker 1: time coming, and you did not disappoint. Uh. Best wishes

544
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Speaker 1: and stay well, my friend. Thank you. There he goes

545
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Speaker 1: Bill Barnwell, really breaking it down as he always does,

546
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Speaker 1: before we get to Colleen Wolf and the NFC title game. Boys,

547
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Speaker 1: let's hit some news. He stir right, No fifty seven's

548
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Speaker 1: barn here's the new clowney. Hi, we don't play like

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Speaker 1: why would you lie up here right here, right here?

550
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Speaker 1: Put your hands up telling about he might have played

551
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Speaker 1: last put your hands up telling about well, he took

552
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Speaker 1: it off. He took it off. That's technique. He was

553
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Speaker 1: how they came off. That's ap rod Hi, ron Rod

554
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Speaker 1: quit just making up alerts. You're like you hear things

555
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Speaker 1: your screen verse. You don't know what's going One of

556
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: the great trash talkers, wholesome trash talking. He's like a

557
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah of the football field, where he's gonna come

558
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: at you with fangs, but its not gonna be foul

559
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 1: mouthed about it, a lot of dagged gumme itt and

560
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: things of that nature. Philip Rivers, what a personality, what

561
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: a player, and he is now an ex player. Philip

562
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: Rivers announced this week he's retiring from the NFL. That

563
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 1: ends a seventeen year career. One of the great passers

564
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Speaker 1: in history, a unique player. Uh In, Yes, bout this

565
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: person reality and his ability to procreate with his wife Tiffany,

566
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Speaker 1: and also with that amazing sidearm delivery. Just funky looking

567
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: and it didn't look like it should work, but damn

568
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: did it work for almost sixty or four thousand passing yards,

569
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: ranked fifth in NFL history. Greg he was always a

570
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: favorite of yours and um, so I want I'm curious

571
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Speaker 1: about your thoughts, but let's start here. Are you surprised,

572
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: because it surprised me. I didn't think there was any

573
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Speaker 1: way he was walking off that year with the Colts.

574
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: Maybe there's more to the story than we know about

575
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: the conversations he had with the front office of Visuals

576
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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. Are you surprised this is the end of

577
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: the road for Phil Rivers? I am, just because he

578
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: so clearly loves his job, so much. But then when

579
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: I read the explanation that it's been his lifelong dream

580
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: to coach high school football, you usually would read that

581
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: and think like that, that's just something athletes would say, Like,

582
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: I believe it probably is his lifelong dream. And he

583
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: sees his sons in seventh grade now he wants to

584
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: get going with that program that he's the head coach

585
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: of now in Alabama. Like, and I buy it that

586
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: he's just like he's also probably feeling like he's not

587
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: He's going out on a relative high note. I know

588
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: they lost, but I thought he played well this year.

589
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: He showed he can still play, and uh, it doesn't

590
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: feel like you're dragging him off the field, Like, I

591
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: think he'll have a good memory of his time in Indianapolis.

592
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: I like had the pleasure of driving around yesterday and

593
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: speaking of Matt money Smith, Um, you know, obviously as

594
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: the play by play guy for the Chargers, he got

595
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: to know Philip Rivers really well, and the way he

596
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: spoke about him, I think it's just Philip Rivers the person,

597
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: the experience of who he is. He's a throwback. Um,

598
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, all these guys are getting drafted to day

599
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: they come in there, they're ready to roll. Um. But

600
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: there are not a lot of Philip Rivers personalities out there.

601
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: And it's yes, it's this, it's the dad humor with

602
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of an edge, but no um profanity. Uh.

603
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: It's I think one of the most determined, um fiery

604
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: players out there. It was just a joy to watch

605
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: him on that front. And it's you know, when he

606
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: went to North Carolina State, uh, in high school, they

607
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: didn't want him to be a quarterback in the college

608
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: level because of his throwing motion, which has been one

609
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: of his um you know something that's that's tagged him forever,

610
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: and he's still got it done. I just uh, it's whenever, whenever.

611
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: These guys have been around for as long as we've

612
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: really hardcore been watching football, um retire. It just makes

613
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: you remember how much you've aged yourself because we've been

614
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: watching them since two thousand and four. And this is

615
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: a guy, you know, we get old. There's all these

616
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that come in and hey, if this guy can

617
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: stay healthy, um, you know, then then he can be productive.

618
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Speaker 1: He reaches potential. Philip Rivers is, like Eli Manning and others,

619
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Speaker 1: the classic definition of an iron man. I mean you

620
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: could not keep this guy out of the lineup, and

621
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: that rises franchise and when you have a signal car

622
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Speaker 1: like that that cannot that refuses to not suit up

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Speaker 1: Rock and you brought up Matt money Smith, who I

624
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: do the Power Ranking show with on NFL Network, and

625
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: we were talking. One of the segments on our most

626
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: recent episode was like, I did a power rankings of

627
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: what are going to be the big offseason narratives to

628
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: track and one of them was what are the cults

629
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Speaker 1: going to do with Philip Rivers? A day later we

630
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: found out that's already been decided, But I thought it

631
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: was interesting and where interested in these things? Uh? That Money,

632
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: who's you know, top broadcaster who knows rivers um and

633
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: understands the mechanics of the gig, says that if Phil

634
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: Rivers goes into a broadcast booth, he would be not

635
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: just Tony Romo level. He thinks he could be better

636
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: than Tony Romo. And you wonder if his future in

637
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: a calling is in that Monday night football booth, if

638
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Speaker 1: he can make that work, and Money seems to think

639
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: he could with his scheduling as a football coach in

640
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Speaker 1: high school with a Monday night gig. That is a

641
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Speaker 1: really interesting thought, and it probably would pay him, uh

642
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: not the same money as what he would make as

643
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: a pro quarterback, right, but if he's he's good as Romo,

644
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: he'd get paid like he'd like star in our industry,

645
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: he could buy the entire high school conference that they're

646
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: in with that with the money Monday and I think

647
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: it is a I think it is a prep school. Yeah,

648
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: maybe like the Friday night games and then you have

649
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Speaker 1: Monday night. It seems it seems possible, like and that

650
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: would be great because that's I mean, it's part of

651
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: the reason I loved him. Like I think of west here,

652
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: I think he liked Rivers and he he talks about

653
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: just like characters I think West It's one of the

654
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: reasons why it's fun to go to a party at

655
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: West's house or visit his friends and Tybee like Westlake's characters.

656
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: And to me, like Rivers wasn't the best quarterback of

657
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: his generation, but he was such a character. No one

658
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: threw it like him. He's so aggressive, fun to watch

659
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: the trash talking you mentioned, but like the fact that

660
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: the way he would trash stock would be like pointing

661
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: out to the defensive players that they're doing something wrong

662
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: because he knows their defense so well, Like that's a

663
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: special sort of trash lock. And then you like listen

664
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: to every player that played with him, whether it's offense, defense, whatever. Man,

665
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: they all love Philip Rivers. I don't think that's I

666
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: don't think that's fake. And I think the of course,

667
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: like everyone is going to respect their quarterback and everything,

668
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: but I think it's like another level, and he was underrated.

669
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: Like I really believe the lack of an offensive line

670
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: and a defense and a running game for so much

671
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: of his career overshadows that for most of those seasons,

672
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: if you ranked where he was at quarterback at the

673
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: end of the season, it was so often in the

674
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: top five or six, And that, to me is the

675
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: best way to measure a guy is over the course

676
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: of a regular season. And so when you compare him

677
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: to to those oh four guys like like Roethlisberger and

678
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: and Eli, like I I do think he was like

679
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: a little underrated, and he's definitely a stats guy, I

680
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: get it, but he was he was awesome. Man. No

681
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: one like had that mid range game. He had like

682
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: an old man game from the minute he was in

683
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: the league. It was. It was different. Every This is

684
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: a quote from Mervos. Every year January is a special

685
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: and emotional day, he said, that's when the day retired.

686
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: It is Saint Sebastian's feast day in the Roman Catholic faith.

687
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: He's the patron saint of the athlete. It is also

688
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: the day I played in the af C Championship without

689
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: an a c L. And now the day, uh, now

690
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: that day that after seventeen seasons, I'm announcing my retirement

691
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: from the now National Football League. Great, thank you. I

692
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: think he's a Hall of Famer. You really wish he

693
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 1: had one deep run in the playoffs that took him

694
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: to a super Bowl and never got there. Even you know,

695
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: I talked about it marking the elimination game this year.

696
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: You know, he just misses the touchdown pass and the

697
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 1: end zone on that fourth down and to me kind

698
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: of like spoke the story of his career, always so

699
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: close to having that moment that then would propel the

700
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: team that just never happened. So you could I guess

701
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: ding him ultimately for the January record. Although it's you

702
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: can't put everything on the quarterback, but overall, great player,

703
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: great producer, a rock in terms of staying in the

704
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: lineup and just a fun guy to cover. What else

705
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: can you ask for? I think he is a Hall

706
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: of Famer. I mean there's a there's a lot of

707
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: interesting cases coming up. But if you look at some

708
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks that are in the NFL in the

709
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, like they didn't all go to the

710
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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I mean it's, um, it's a team sport. Uh,

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00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: he'd get my vote, that freaking a c L Man

712
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: if Uh. That oh seven Patriots team. Not that I

713
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: would have wanted it to happen, but I think they were.

714
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: They were ripe to be picked off there, and they

715
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: were very competitive in that game. If you had had

716
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: a healthier Philip Rivers and Tomlinson in that game. Some

717
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: real bad blood between those Patriots and charges teams back then. Um, alright,

718
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: so good luck to whatever comes next, Phil Rivers. I

719
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: feel like you're still gonna be on our radar sooner

720
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: rather than later. Moving on, the Detroit Lions introduced Dan

721
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: Campbell as their new head coach after signing to that

722
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: six year contract. And this is just fun. Let's listen

723
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: to the opening remarks from Campbell in his press conference

724
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: with the media on Thursday. This team is gonna be

725
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: built on um. We're gonna kick you in the teeth,

726
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: all right, and when you punch us back, we're gonna

727
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: smile at you. And when you knock us down, we're

728
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: gonna get up. And on the way up, we're gonna

729
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: buy the knee cap off, all right, and we're gonna

730
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: stand up. And then it's gonna take two more shots

731
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: to knock us down, all right. And on the way up,

732
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna take your other knee cap and we're gonna

733
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: get up. And then it's gonna take three shots to

734
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: get us down. And when we do, we're gonna take

735
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: another hon kout of you. Before before were there going

736
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: to be the last one standing. Mark, You're surprised. What's

737
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: the hire of Stone called? Steve Austin is the head coach?

738
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: At feel like the NFL is already investigating his um

739
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: opening press conference, probably for some of the things he

740
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: promised to do. But I mean, I I what I

741
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: was surprised by was a six year contract. Um, you know,

742
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: site unseen. This isn't like hiring Bill Parcel's part two

743
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: and so uh this to me, you know, look at I.

744
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: I like this story already. I mean there's a lot

745
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: to like. Um, if it goes well, I feel like

746
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna go really really well or it's not gonna

747
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: play at all, And like it's because that's that's sort

748
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: of that's his personality. Does this register? Um? And what's

749
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: the rest of them about? I I like the whole

750
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: idea of it, but it's a huge wait and see

751
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: for me. But they're showing tremendous faith with a six

752
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: year deal. Yeah. I I just love that he's going

753
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: to be part of our lives. I mean maybe maybe

754
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: biting people's kneecaps off is like the new money ball,

755
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: Like that's the way to get an advantage in the NFL.

756
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 1: I'll just bye bye some knee kept. It's just it's

757
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: just funny because they hired Chris Spielman, and I would like,

758
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: I really like Chris Spielman as an analyst on Fox.

759
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: He was actually one of my favorites, even if I

760
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: didn't always agree with him. But they basically hired Chris

761
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,959
Speaker 1: Spielman to like hire another version of Chris Spielman, because

762
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: that's sort of how Chris Spielman talks, is like this

763
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: ultimate macho, tough guy. I love that he's just this huge,

764
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: like Miami Beach looking bodybuilder type, but like packed into

765
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: this little this suit, you know. But he kind of

766
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: talks and looks like Jeff Bridges. I think it was

767
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: rhodopadd who pointed that out, Like he he talks like

768
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: the dude, like there's everything about it's great. I don't

769
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: know if any of it's gonna work. He hired Aaron Glenn,

770
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: who a lot of people really like, as defensive coordinator,

771
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: and he did say some things in that press conference

772
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: about their offensive philosophy that was much more about like

773
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: what the Saints do and matchup based and and I

774
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: thought intelligent that, you know, that didn't get as much play.

775
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: But I think you know, he's he's a Saints coach,

776
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: so he's gonna take a lot of what they did

777
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: and try to apply it. Uh. In other news, sad

778
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: news to report at a green Bay, Wisconsin um, former

779
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: Packers general manager Ted Thompson, the man who drafted Aaron

780
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: Rodgers in his first draft in charge at Green Bay,

781
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: traded away. Brett Farve helped build that championship team that

782
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: won Super Bowl forty five. He has died sadly. Matt Lafleur,

783
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: the head coach, alerted the media. Sixty eight years old,

784
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 1: just sixty eight. Ted Thompson played ten season in the NFL,

785
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: in two in the seventies and to the eighties. Was

786
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: the GM for Green Bay from two thousand five through

787
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen. Uh he moved into a consultant role, uh,

788
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: starting because of declining health. UH. And now we learned

789
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: that he has passed away, very sad and I will

790
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: just share a memory I had. You know, this is

791
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: the first year we're not going to the Combine in

792
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: a decade. And um, I used to love the Ted

793
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: Thompson press conferences at the Combine, um I wrote back

794
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: in two thousand sixteen, which was his second to last

795
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: year on the job. Is GM, I wrote on NFL

796
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 1: dot com. If Mitch Hedberg were reincarnated as a prominent

797
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: front office official in the NFL, he'd beat Ted Thompson.

798
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: I just he he had a dry wit and a

799
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,399
Speaker 1: subtle sense of humor, and it it's seen it kind

800
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: of undercut the rigidness of the NFL machine around him,

801
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: especially in that setting at the Combine. He didn't take

802
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: anything too seriously. But at the same time, he was

803
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: very serious about his business, which included building teams through

804
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: the draft. Mark he was all about the draft. Famously

805
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: didn't like to sign pricey free agents. That was his mantra,

806
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: and it helped the Packers having him in charge all

807
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: those years. I mean, the greatest thing about those combine

808
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: Um pressers where they were trying to press Ted Thompson

809
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: to finally acknowledge that he might dip into free agency

810
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: and make a big splash, and he just completely ignored

811
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: the concept of that. I mean really, he zigged when

812
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: everyone else was zagging when it came to that part

813
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: of the off season. Um, and it worked. Um. You like,

814
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: I think the one thing that these general managers have

815
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: this incredible power at is you completely have the ability

816
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: to change a franchise forever. And who had a bigger imprint.

817
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: I mean, the Packers have had a number of great

818
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: general managers, but um, in the Rogers era, I mean

819
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: it's all about Ted Thompson and uh, they have a

820
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: whole different philosophy now. But he was a very memorable

821
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: and it's a huge part of what Green Bay did.

822
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: He's a He's a huge part of this team too.

823
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: You know. He he drafted Davante Adams, he drafted Corey Lindsley,

824
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: they're all pro center. He drafted Kenny Clark, he drafted

825
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: Dean Lowry who's still playing for them. He drafted Aaron Jones,

826
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, and then I think he'll always be remembered

827
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: more than anything as as the guy who drafted Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: even though was Farve was there. It's definitely. Uh, it's

829
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: definitely sad, but he was one of the you know,

830
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: one of the best to do it, if anything like.

831
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: He was so loyal to Mike McCarthy. I always wanted

832
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: to see you know, well that was always a a

833
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: conversation on our podcast, Well, I would like to see

834
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: Rogers with a different coach, and you know, now you

835
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: see it, and um, but that was that was it

836
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: was his organization more than anyone. Ted Thompson. It's crazy

837
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: how how many of those players. It's not like that

838
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: on many other teams actually, that you have that many

839
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: players going back that far, so it goes to show

840
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be there here right now without him. Yes,

841
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: Ted Thompson passes away at the age of sixty eight.

842
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: Rest in piece. Uh. In other news, Dwayne Haskins looks

843
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: like he's about to get another job. It's out there

844
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: report from where is the support from? Official? Now it's

845
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: now official. It's officially official as we initially reported it.

846
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: But now it's a deal done deal that the Pittsburgh

847
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: Steelers have signed h Dwayne Haskins as a free agent.

848
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: This is a Steelers team mark that has some uncertainty

849
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: at quarterback in their future. You have an old man

850
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: and Ben Roethlisberger. And by the way, look now, let's

851
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: take a look at this. Phil Rivers retired, Eli Manning

852
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: long retired, the third in the big trio of the

853
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: two thousand four draft picks, Ben Roethlisberg, and now the

854
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: last man standing, Mason Rudolph. Not a great backup quarterback.

855
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: I guess the thought here is that Mike Tomlin and

856
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: his staff staff can turn Dwayne Haskins into a professional

857
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: quarterback that maybe could be the future at the position.

858
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: I just can't help but wonder if the Roethlisberger announcement

859
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: is pending or coming soon. Watching the way that he

860
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, he shed tears at the end of that game.

861
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with that one game, and

862
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: I think it had to do with a lot more

863
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: weight Um that he was pondering at the time. I mean,

864
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: for me, it's it's a people. There were a lot

865
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: of Steelers fans during the season saying when Haskins is

866
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: let go, and it just was the tea leaves were

867
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: there that he was someone a lot of Steelers fans wanted.

868
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Big Ben came from Ohio and tortured Ohio

869
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: teams forever, Um Haskins Ohio state. That would be a

870
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 1: nice narrative to continue. I mean, it's a project, but

871
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: it's a much better environment. I think for Dwayne Haskins, Um,

872
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: we will see. I think he does some things really well. Um.

873
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: I don't think you'd view him as a starter, but

874
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: it could be like we're gonna stock up on quarterbacks

875
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: because Big Ben is out the door. I'm surprised how

876
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: many Steelers fans and seemed to want Roethlisberger to retire.

877
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: I know he wasn't playing his best. Um, it's decentcly

878
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: bispased on those last six weeks. And and Pickner, you know,

879
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: their offensive coordinator got let go or didn't renew his

880
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: contract that supposedly, you know, Roethlisberger wasn't gonna be fired

881
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: up about that that, but they did promote Matt Canada,

882
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: who had been there. Um, I don't know. I don't

883
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: know how that affects it. I do think maybe we're

884
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: due for some like quarterback retirement drama. Haven't had a

885
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: lot of that lately, you know. I think Ben is

886
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: the man to do it, you know, like, is he

887
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: gonna do it? Is he not? Yes, I'm retiring, But

888
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: then he changed his mind two months later. Let's do

889
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: it like he could go with Ted Thompson. How to

890
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: deal with for years with Brett Farve. Yeah great, I

891
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: can't can't wait to track that all offseason. And finally

892
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: in the news, this just went down, uh, and it's

893
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: it's a big deal for the Eagles and all the

894
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: fans out there. And speaking of Eiggles fans, she wasn't

895
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: scheduled to join us for a few it to dig

896
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: in on the NFC title game. But since the Eagles

897
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: have zeroed in on a new head coach, let's bring

898
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: around a little bit earlier. The Great Tiny Box Connie Fox,

899
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf woom boom for the show what's up? Hi?

900
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: Great to see you guys love to see all your faces,

901
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: and I really just love to hear the song. So

902
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to come on it as many times

903
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: as I kend of here and in my headphone, I

904
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: feel cooler. I mean, it's a new day day. I

905
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: want to start driving around like the neighborhoods here, just

906
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: like tearing it up with this song, just blaring, maybe

907
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: ruth off. Who knows it's gonna happen. What are the

908
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: neighbors like around? They don't talk to me. I don't

909
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: know any of them. I've been in your neighborhood. I

910
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: don't think that would play well down there from from

911
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: what I've seen. Um, there's a lot of children. Let's

912
00:43:54,600 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: get into it. You must fit right in exactly. Uh.

913
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: The Eagles have a new football coach, locked and loaded here, Connie.

914
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: It is Colts offensive coordinator Nick Sirianni. Rap sheet Garifolo,

915
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: Tom Pellicero report. I mean, I've been down this road before.

916
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: That gets the point where we have three of the

917
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: quote unquote insiders on our network, all sourced reporting on it.

918
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: Just make an NFL network and you don't get to

919
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: use the names anymore. If I was in the newsroom,

920
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: but I'm not, haven't been since March. And even if

921
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't when it matters, doesn't matter. None of this matters.

922
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson is out, as we know after that four

923
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: eleven in one campaign. Uh so the Eagles make that

924
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: surprise move to dump Peterson and he's piste off. He's

925
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: probably taking a year off. But here is Nick Sirianni Connie.

926
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: We don't know much about Nick other than uh, he

927
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: was with Frank Reich, who's obviously that's a good guy

928
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: to be working with. And under your initial thoughts, do

929
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: you have any initial thoughts on what's going on with

930
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: the Eagles here? Well, this all just happened, so it's

931
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: all pretty new, pretty fresh. Um, we heard that obviously

932
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: he was in the mix in terms of somebody that

933
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: the Eagles were interested in him and Josh McDaniels. So

934
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: I guess this is better than Josh McDaniels. But I don't.

935
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: I don't really know, because this guy, we've never seen

936
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: him as a head coach before, first timer, and Philly

937
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: is not exactly an easy place to be first time

938
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: any position, I think, in anything, especially when everyone is

939
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: judging and watching your every move. Plus he inherits this

940
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: quarterback situation, which I'm not sure how that's gonna go down.

941
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: It's pretty complicated. It's a I feel like it's a

942
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: messy situation. Considering Howie Roseman, the GM is clearly very

943
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: married to Carson Wentz. I read an amazing article in

944
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: the Inquire that Jeff McLean had up about the giant

945
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: poster that is plastered on Howie Roseman's wall in his

946
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: office of Carson wentz um So that just like kind

947
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: of sets the table. Welcome to Philly, Nick, and just

948
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: but by a little way, you know, some background for listeners.

949
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: He's thirty nine years old. Sirianni came into the league

950
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: as a quality control coach in Kansas City under Todd

951
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,240
Speaker 1: Haley in two thousand nine four seasons there, then moved

952
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: up to wide receivers coach. There moves to San Diego's

953
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: five season with the Chargers as their quality control coach.

954
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, QB coach, wide receiver coach,

955
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: and then he got the call to be the Oh

956
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: see Greg. For me, it's like this is my additional thought,

957
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: and I am like, we said, this is kind of

958
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: a higher where you're gonna have to wait it out

959
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: and see whether this guy can play the guitar, if

960
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: you will. But my whole thought when you dumped Doug

961
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: Peterson is like, you better get somebody in there that's

962
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: gonna inspire the troops and be an upgrade over the

963
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl winning coach, and we'll see if he is.

964
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: But again, with Peterson, it was maybe about Carson Wentz

965
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: more than anything else, right. I think the reports you

966
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: know that Eagles management and they were doing it down

967
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: in Florida. I like, when the team does that, come

968
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: to my owner's huge mansion in Florida. We're gonna do

969
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: our interview? Is there? Like we're not going back to

970
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: that facility, like in the middle of winter. Who do

971
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: you think we are? I think the reports that say

972
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: they basically told the coaches like you're gonna work with

973
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, Like, I think that was part of it.

974
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: I mean that you're what's your plan for for helping

975
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: out Wentz and fixing this situation? So I think Sirianni,

976
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: who worked with Frank Reich, um you probably sold himself

977
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: on that he was not the play caller. Though in Indianapolis,

978
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: you know Frank Reich because sometimes some people think play

979
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: callings a little overrated. So he's a quarterbacks guy working

980
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: with Rivers in San Diego and then Indianapolis with you know,

981
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: I guess a trio of quarterbacks, you know, Luck and

982
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: Brissette and and Rivers. It's a big gamble. It feels

983
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: like it's like you have to get this one right

984
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: for this is this this brass I think, you know

985
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: how he specifically they're attaching themselves to Wentz and Sirianni

986
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: and like that's it. And if you're an Eagles fan,

987
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: there's probably part of you that thinks, like, you know,

988
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: it felt like we kind of went with Andy Reid's

989
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: guy for the last coach. We went with like Frank

990
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: Reik's guy for this coach. You know, wouldn't have been

991
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: nice to just like keep Andy Reid or Frank Reich.

992
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: I guess, like if they're the ones kind of picking

993
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: our coaches, Andy Reid, like Jalen Hurts, Mark, he you know,

994
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: he put a lot of good tape out there at

995
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: the end of the season. So this feels like to me,

996
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: Mark that it could be a dangerous situation in terms

997
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: of locker room chemistry and the locker room maybe being

998
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: siding with one quarterback over the other. And now you

999
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: insert this rookie head coach in as Connie said, a

1000
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: volcanic market in Philadelphia. We'll see it's it's the thorniest

1001
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: landing spot out there east of the Texans because of

1002
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: everything we've mentioned. And this is the They still have

1003
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: the front office that drafted Jalen Hurts, but has you know,

1004
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: life size, life size posters of Carson Wentz and the

1005
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: general manager. That's part of its weird, right, I mean

1006
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: they they're the ones that drafted hurt supposedly. I don't

1007
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: know it's right. And and and Roseman and Jeffrey LORII

1008
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: are two p's in a pod. So I just think

1009
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: you comming. I think number one Doug, Doug Peterson seemed

1010
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: to lack the authority to hire his own staff to

1011
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: some degree over the past couple of years. And I

1012
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: think that that was a an issue between them and

1013
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: why they parted ways that they wanted to change the

1014
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: way they did things. And now so Sirianni, Sirianni comes

1015
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: in UM with the general manager and the owner completely

1016
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: linked UM and in a mind meld over Carson Wentz.

1017
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: Starting when I would imagine most of the fan base

1018
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: is kind of done with Carson Wentz on some level.

1019
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: Um after what you've seen from Jalen Hurts, who this

1020
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: team drafted highly and put themselves in this situation. So

1021
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: um quite murky. If I'm Sirianni, I might want to

1022
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 1: be like Doug Peterson and take the paid year off,

1023
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: but that's not an option for him. Wow. Okay, Colleen

1024
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: is the Carson Wentz uh artwork or post or whatever

1025
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: it is behind Howie Roseman the most troubling UH decour

1026
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: since the Alex Rodriguez Minotaur painting. I never forget about that,

1027
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: Like I have never, ever once forgotten about that, And

1028
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: it's really haunted me because at the time I remember

1029
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: I was I was just dating. I wasn't married to

1030
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: John yet, and I remember how horrifying. John Renald gonzalazpor

1031
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: Mar twelve is an American sports writer. Was married NFL

1032
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: meda broadcaster Colley Wolf. John, who was a Pisces, resides

1033
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles with his wife and two dogs. The

1034
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: thought of exactly the thought of just like walking into

1035
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: some guy's house that I just met and seeing that

1036
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: on the wall, or you know, not just met, but

1037
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like we've had we've had

1038
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: a courtship, some checkpoints. Um, that would be horrifying, So

1039
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: thanks for bringing it up. He really walked into that one.

1040
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: And what a what a world series add against your

1041
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: Phillies in two thousand nine, we can get into that too.

1042
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: Maybe at some point, John, I just met four hours earlier.

1043
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: I was there. I watched the Yankees clinch against the Phillies.

1044
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: I was there too. I mean, how have I not

1045
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: been at that game and noticed, like Greg is at

1046
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: every historical event ever, brought us forts Gump alright, and

1047
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: every afterwards, they just played on Loop New York, New York,

1048
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: over and over and over and we had to like

1049
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: tape wraps and do interviews and everything, and they just

1050
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: didn't stop. So I mean, I'm a Red Sex fan,

1051
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: so I got out of there fairly quick. But I

1052
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: watched the little enjoyment for a couple of minutes. All right, Connie, Um, yes,

1053
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the news. Let's now move to

1054
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: the NFC title game. And uh, you know, Colleen, I

1055
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: love it. Can't wait to see Aaron Rodgers on this

1056
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: stage in his building against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and

1057
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: all the focus is on Aaron Rodgers against Tom Brady,

1058
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: But as we know in our league and our sport,

1059
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: it's not actually those two guys like in in like

1060
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: ancient rome with swords and shields fighting each other, which

1061
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: would be cool. I would watch that, uh, And I

1062
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: don't know who i'd pick to win that. We'll get

1063
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: to that later. It's actually to me, the matchup I

1064
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: care more about is Aaron Rodgers and this offense that

1065
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: is so beautifully designed against the Tampa Bay defense, which

1066
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: just embarrassed Drew Brees and potentially his last game. How

1067
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: do you feel about Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay here?

1068
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to continue to roll offensively?

1069
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: I do? I feel like if I was just going

1070
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: on gut the whole time I have been with the Packers. Now,

1071
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: obviously that did not happen week six, and I have

1072
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: been labeled a Bucks hater for some reason all year long,

1073
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: So this must be something that is like actually happening.

1074
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: It has to be a theme. But I agree because

1075
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: I almost feel like that Week six game was just

1076
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: so weird and it was such a bad performance for

1077
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: the Packers and Aaron Rodgers in general, and everything came

1078
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: up the Buck's way. But it just seems like that

1079
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: was such a different team, and honestly, like in the

1080
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: NFL season and especially now, where I feel like that

1081
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: was so long ago, it feels like that was last

1082
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: season Week six, and now this team, the Packers, the

1083
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: way that they came out even last Week four in

1084
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: eighty four total yards of offense against this Rams defense.

1085
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: And I know that they didn't have a one Aaron

1086
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: Donald and that obviously played a huge role in it.

1087
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: But the run game looked really good for the Packers.

1088
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: They were balanced. And then of course the Bucks coming

1089
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: off that game against the Saints where they just got

1090
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: turnover after turnover, like this is gonna be a little

1091
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: bit different for the Bucks defense going up against Aaron Rodgers.

1092
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 1: You're not going to have Drew Brees who couldn't stretch

1093
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: the field at all. What he only did he complete

1094
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 1: any passes over twenty yards? I think one maybe, So

1095
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot different from last week and

1096
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: Week six. The only thing that would that would concern

1097
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: me a little bit is that the Bucks have been

1098
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: great against the run. Um Vita Vee is coming back,

1099
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: and you know, uh, this was a team that selectively

1100
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: um and effectively blitzed Rogers um at a higher rate

1101
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: than any team has back in Week six. So I

1102
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: know that a lot has changed. I'm with you. Um.

1103
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: Our friend Nate Tys points out that this Packers offense

1104
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: right now, um, they are one of three teams since

1105
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: two thousand and two to average more than a field

1106
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: goal per drive, and the other two or the two

1107
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: thousand and seven Patriots and the twenty eighteen Chiefs. So

1108
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: it tells you that the Packers have grown into this.

1109
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: We spent all last week. Oh what you know, Brandon

1110
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: Staley and the Rams defense, I think they might be

1111
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: good enough to go to the Super Bowl and shut

1112
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: everyone down and then like within fifteen minutes of that

1113
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,360
Speaker 1: game starting, and I know that there were issues for

1114
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: the Rams in that game. It was like, no, that's

1115
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: not how football works in necessarily, So it's not just

1116
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: the Bucks defense. I mean, their offense is huge in this,

1117
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: but the Packers are not. I would be stunned if

1118
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: they duplicate that effort because the Bucks were so effective

1119
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: against them. But the Bucks have to be a little

1120
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: bit different this time around. And you can't fool Aaron Rodgers.

1121
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: Bucks defense isn't as good as they were back then. Either.

1122
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: They started the season like a house on fire. Um,

1123
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: they're not were last week? You know they were, but

1124
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: they that was against I think it compromised Um offense.

1125
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: You know they weren't against Washington. Gave a lot of yards.

1126
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: There's such a boom or bust defense. That's just who

1127
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: they are. And you saw like the ultimate like boom

1128
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: situation in Week six. But they give up big plays.

1129
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: It's all these young defensive backs who they have kind

1130
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: of playing man coverage and like stuck in one on

1131
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: one situations. So much of it I think is going

1132
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: to come down to like the most hiring topic of

1133
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: of the Packer season, which is like Lazard and MBS, Like,

1134
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: at what point, and you just gave a great stat

1135
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: one of the best three offenses in terms of scoring

1136
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: per drive in the last twenty years, Like at what point, well,

1137
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: people shut up about them not drafting receiver. At what

1138
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: level does the Packers offense need to be where that

1139
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,959
Speaker 1: is a stupid point where they're like I still can't

1140
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: believe they took a quarterback. It's like you have the

1141
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: number one offense in the league. There's another one, by

1142
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: the way, Greg tied to what you were saying, and

1143
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: I'll use that guy's voice as well. Just imagine what

1144
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: this team would look like with the first phone, right,

1145
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I'm talking, Okay, I would flip

1146
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: it and say, maybe imagine them with another cornerback or

1147
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: another linebacker. That's where I'm worried in this game. I'm

1148
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: not I'm with you Colleen and Mark that I'm not

1149
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: really that worried about the Packers putting up points and

1150
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: moving the ball. I think their offensive line will win battles,

1151
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: and I think Rogers is just gonna He's just so

1152
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: patient right now. It's crazy that I just can't imagine

1153
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: unless you're a really special defense, you're gonna slow them down.

1154
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: And I don't think the Bucks are that special defensively. Connie,

1155
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: do you think the bearded boy Met Lafleur deserves more

1156
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 1: credit than he's gotten, because you know, the record speaks

1157
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: for itself. They've now won. When fourteen fourteen plus thirteen

1158
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: is unfourteen plus ten wins against seven losses in two seasons,

1159
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: I think that's all right. Um, so the record is great.

1160
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: But also his ability. And there were whispers last year

1161
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: that the offense wasn't exactly where Aaron Rodgers wanted it

1162
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: to be, and and they certainly weren't as explosive. But

1163
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: how about this some patients. He installs a system that

1164
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: he believes in La Fleur and it grows and builds

1165
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: to the juggernaut it has become. Now Matt Lafleur des

1166
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: there's more credit for his role in this offense. Well,

1167
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: I think too, because yeah, for sure, because you think

1168
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: about all of the credit that Sean McVeigh got when

1169
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: the Rams were having all of their success offensively, and

1170
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, Sean McVeigh is a genius.

1171
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 1: He's so young, he's got a photographic memory. It's incredible.

1172
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, maybe who knows, but I think

1173
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: that Matt Flora like doesn't really get that same cashe

1174
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: because the difference of Jared Goff and Aaron Rodgers and

1175
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers in year two with Matt Lafleur is is

1176
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: just so much better than I think anyone could have expected.

1177
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: And it's so hard to to kind of um pinpoint

1178
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: where the credit should go and how much credit you

1179
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: should give to who because it's such a collaborative effort.

1180
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: But the offense with Aaron Rodgers is just working so well,

1181
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: and that that connection that Rogers has with Davante Adams

1182
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: is just so next level. Rogers said that besides Charles Woodson,

1183
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: the Davanta Adams is the best player he's ever played with,

1184
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: which is such high praise. And it just seems like

1185
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: they're always on the same page. But they weren't week six,

1186
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: and I think I have to go back and look.

1187
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: But wasn't though he hadn't played for three weeks, and

1188
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,479
Speaker 1: so I think it's like we're getting a different form

1189
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: of them now, right. I was. I was trying to

1190
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: remember if that that was his first game back from

1191
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: the hamstring. Yeah, nothing in that game and then everything

1192
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: went south, right, So I think that that's part of

1193
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: the reason why I think things will be a little

1194
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: bit different this time around. But Matt with Floura, I mean,

1195
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: if he if the Packers go all the way, um,

1196
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: even if they just in this week, we're gonna be

1197
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: talking about them for two weeks. So I think that

1198
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: La Fleura will get his do Now I'm adding now,

1199
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm adding more syllables to the flour's name after Tom

1200
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: Palisero did his whole thing on NFL. Now about how

1201
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: it's three syllables everyone is like pronounced, so say it right,

1202
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: what is it? He said, It's supposed to be La Fleur? Like, well,

1203
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: that sounds like if you really wanted to go into

1204
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: the nuance you would say that. Well, and now it's

1205
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: like five syllables for me. So it's on. It's on

1206
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: the bowls as sons. Greg to figure out a way

1207
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: to cook up a scheme to slow down this offense,

1208
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: and we saw it. Devin White, he kind of led

1209
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: the way last week and the Vita Vea thing which

1210
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: Mark brought up. We don't know what he if he

1211
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: does play what he's gonna give you. He's coming off

1212
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: a broken leg and just came back to practice, but

1213
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 1: he was one of the top top graded interior alignment

1214
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: before he wins. Also, I mean I would say this,

1215
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: he's bigger than the door I'm looking at over here.

1216
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you just put him on the field and

1217
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: you've got you got something to work with some Well, yes, perhaps,

1218
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: but Greg, do you think that um they'll be able

1219
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: to build Billy Barnwell thinks that they can cook up

1220
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: pressure and heat up rogers. I know you've been somewhat

1221
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: critical of their past rushes this year. Yeah, I don't

1222
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: think Jack Barrett has been the same. You know JPP

1223
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: has been Okay. Um, they actually were playing I was

1224
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: wondering last week. So they played this guy Anthony Nelson

1225
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: a little more who had a couple of good rushes.

1226
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: And because they play you know, Barrett and JPP so much,

1227
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: I think Devin White versus like Aaron Jones is huge. Um, Like,

1228
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: I think the run games for both these teams are

1229
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: so important. It's kind of because La Fleur it is

1230
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: sneaky like a heavy run guy early in games too.

1231
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: It's not just like they get ahead like they already

1232
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: running team. Their backfield is awesome right now, like Aaron

1233
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: Jones is the man. But but Jamal Williams to me

1234
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: is one of the best backups in league. And A J.

1235
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: Dillan's good too. It's like they are they are going

1236
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: to run and the Bucks run defense hasn't been as

1237
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: good lately. I defensively, I just kind of think like

1238
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: maybe this will be wrong because of the weather, but

1239
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: it just feels like there's only gonna be ah so

1240
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: many stops in this game, there's not gonna be that many.

1241
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: To me, the Bucks have a few more playmakers where

1242
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: can you make one play, Like, can you just make

1243
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: one big defensive play whether it's a sack, fumble or

1244
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: an interception or whatever it is, to just you know,

1245
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: give a little bit of an edge in a game

1246
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: that I'm picking is thirty one thirty um, But it's

1247
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: like a lot of points. It's either way, like and

1248
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: I think the Bucks maybe have those guys. Maybe it'll

1249
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: be Carlton Davis or Devin White or Lavonte David or

1250
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: JPP or someone where maybe they have a couple more

1251
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: guys who can make like one big play even if

1252
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: they're not gonna make many stops. And don't forget what

1253
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: Devin White did for this this Packers team actually, because

1254
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: after that Week six game, Devin White told reporters that

1255
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: Green Bay didn't deserve to be on the field with them.

1256
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't think that that, I know, Matt

1257
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: l Laura was asked about at this week. You don't

1258
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: think that that's going to play a part in the

1259
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: locker room that do you think they're going to try harder,

1260
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: They're going to try. They're gonna try a little harder,

1261
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: little well, hold on. I think Colleen is a point

1262
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: because you're dealing with Aaron Rodgers, who nothing, um it

1263
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: sticks to him. And he had a quote also. I

1264
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: love this because I thought he was shooting a arrow

1265
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: right at our podcast and maybe even myself. He said,

1266
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: we got a lot of comments about how we were

1267
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Speaker 1: the worst thirteen and three team they'd seen last year.

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01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: Not getting a lot of those comments this year. So yes,

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Speaker 1: I think some of this stuff does matter, and I

1270
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: think it does register that they have been tracking you

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years and that was about you.

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01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: That's why. How often do you claim how often do

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01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: you claim that some quote that you throw out there

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01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: has been tracked by a head coach. It's utterly absurd.

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01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: We all know it's absurd, and we just we go

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01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: along with it. Would you like to sometime, would you

1277
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: like to issue a statement to Rogers now that he

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01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: follows everything you say. I will say that the team

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Speaker 1: last year was thirteen and three. I thought it was

1280
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: one of the worst thirteen and three teams i'd seen.

1281
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: They got absolutely thrashed in the playoffs. This version of

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01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: the Packers I have said for months playoffs, totally believe in.

1283
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to lock them up. Maybe

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01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: you know you were talking about why back to you

1285
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: in the corner. You don't have to go against me.

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01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: It might be smarter not to. If I'm telling you

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01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: what to do, I'm just saying, I mean, you don't

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01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: do whatever you want it. I am doing what I want.

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01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: I will be locking up the packers, um and riding

1290
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: with Bam at lock up last week. I'll do it again.

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01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter because I'm not in the competition. But

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Speaker 1: I'm a completist. And you said it, um, Greg about

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01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: the running game for Green Bay. Um. I just read

1294
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: a really good piece by Connor Hughes on The Athletic

1295
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: who was talking about what Mike Laflir brings to the

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01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: Jets offense, the brother of Matt Um and it is

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01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: it's all dictated the Kyle Shannah and offense, which la

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01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: floor both ors our disciples, is powered off the run

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Speaker 1: and it's the run that sets up the past. So yes,

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01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: that's that's been an underrated element of everyone is just

1301
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: all zeroed in on Aaron Rodgers. But the reason why

1302
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: this is working is because they have that balance, and

1303
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: that makes things like the play action and all the

1304
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: other gadgets that are built into the office work that

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01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: much better. And and I think we should give the

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01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: Bucks running game a little bit of love. I'm taking

1307
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: the Bucks by the way. I'm riding. I'm riding this

1308
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: Bucks wave. I I look at like the two teams,

1309
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,919
Speaker 1: and I think the Packers defense is the worst group

1310
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 1: in the game. Now, maybe the Packers offense is so much,

1311
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: so much better than any other group. That doesn't matter.

1312
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: And but to me, I think that's where the like

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01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: the most mismatches are. They gave up a ton against

1314
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: the ground. I love the way Ronald Jones runs. He's

1315
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: got a lot of juice. I think he's underrated. I

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01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: think that's one of the reasons they won last week

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01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: was they were able to run in the second half,

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01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: for Nets running really well. And then you just like,

1319
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: look at all the matchups, assuming Antonio Brown plays, which

1320
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 1: I think is a big factor, especially over the middle

1321
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: of the field. It's Brown and Gronk and Bright and

1322
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, you know, maybe even for Net in the

1323
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: in the passing game and Godwin, and it's against all

1324
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: these linebackers who Dan would call Hammond Eggers and safeties

1325
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: who are okay in the you know, are not aren't

1326
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: really that great in coverage set, you know. I think

1327
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of mismatches. That's That's what I mean.

1328
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: Where they could have used that first round pick at

1329
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: cornerback and these two cornerbacks, like there's no one better

1330
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: at adjustin. We're back with the draft again. We're back there,

1331
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: back like there's no one there's no one better at

1332
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: adjusting than Brady and and Rodgers, and so I think

1333
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: they'll both find mismatches as the game goes along. Brady's

1334
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: numbers in the fourth quarter this year, I went to

1335
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: check because it was like it feels like he's just

1336
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 1: been on fire, are outrageous, Like he has closed games

1337
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: so well, and this feels like a game where it's

1338
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: like whoever has the ball last wins. That's what I'm

1339
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: hoping for, and I think it will be the Bucks. Connie,

1340
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: what's your pick in this game? Games? In fact, Oh, okay,

1341
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with what do you want to score to?

1342
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: Just Packers. I'm gonna go with the Packers, okay, um,

1343
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: And then I'm gonna go I mean, well, we don't

1344
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: really know what's gonna happen. I'm gonna go with the Chiefs.

1345
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: I want the Bills to win, though I want I

1346
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: don't want to be right about that game and just

1347
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: pick up to just pick the opposite, pick what you want,

1348
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, why not go with your heart? Yeah, I'm

1349
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: in it to win it. There's no prize on this

1350
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: game of Greg buried in that little notebook that you

1351
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: use with you right with your Japanese pen. Anything you

1352
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: want to empty app before we say goodbye? Yeah, yes,

1353
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: if Greg doesn't have one, yes, and I have a

1354
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 1: final but I want to and then a last question

1355
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: for okay and mine will be quick. But I was

1356
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: surprised that the Bucks offensive line held up as well

1357
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: as they did last week against the Saints pass rush,

1358
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: considering they were down Alex Cappa and they were bringing

1359
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: in Aaron Stinny at guard for his first NFL start ever,

1360
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: and they did. They did a really good job. So

1361
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm wondering how they're gonna match up with the Packers

1362
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: pass rush considering they went off on golf. They sacked

1363
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: him four times last week. Kenny Clark was constantly in

1364
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: the backfield or Shawn Gary is getting better and better.

1365
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: So that could be a matchup to watch that That

1366
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: was kind of mine how about that? I mean, I'm

1367
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: with you, like I think the two the two lines

1368
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: should dominate. Um, they're better. But I think if if

1369
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: something that could prove everything I just said about like

1370
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: the Brady wrong is if Rashaan Gary and Zadarius Smith

1371
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: go have a game that's where their difference makers are,

1372
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: like the two of them, Gary is playing really well

1373
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 1: and Kenny Clark altogether. If they could win that matchup,

1374
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: then it kind of blows up everything I said. They're

1375
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: there the chance for the Packers defense right there. Connie.

1376
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: You know sometimes they try to put you in the

1377
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: box and I feel that way sometime as well. If

1378
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: you're the host and it's like, well you're not allowed

1379
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: to have taeks are like study things in a different

1380
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: way and share those. But that's what you just proved. Yes,

1381
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: you're a host and gifted, but your ability to analyze

1382
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: the sport and offer takes, I mean, thank you you

1383
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: can just you can keep the compliments coming. I'm if

1384
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: you're not done yet, that's fine before before you go, Um,

1385
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 1: I teased it at the top of our conversation. Um,

1386
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: let's go back to Ancient Rome. Market like your take

1387
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 1: on this if you have one as well, Um, you

1388
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:30,919
Speaker 1: know it, and Greg, that's how we do it. You're included.

1389
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: Whenever swords, shields, Sandals battle Ancient Rome kind of you're

1390
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: actually the emperor. You're the one that does the thumbs

1391
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 1: up thumbs down to decide whether the loser, the vanquished

1392
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: party lives or dies. So I want to hear I

1393
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: guess your take on that as well. But Aaron Rodgers

1394
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: against Tom Brady and a swords, shields and Scandals clash,

1395
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: who wins? That's so much power? Really, you're gonna go

1396
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: with Brady? I you yeah, why would you go with Brady? Um?

1397
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: I think Brady, like, you know, for for all the

1398
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: people that like to make fun of Tom Brady and uh,

1399
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: you know the food he eats and all this other business. Um,

1400
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: I think there's something inside a Brady that is like

1401
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: will will destroy anyone that gets in his way. And

1402
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: I think this season is um has a lot to

1403
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: do with that. I think Aaron Rodgers might be UM.

1404
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: I think he's you know, a warrior type player too,

1405
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: but it's a little bit different. I think that Brady

1406
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: um is an assassin, and I see him that way.

1407
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: Does Brady have the ability if we're in ancient Rome, though,

1408
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: does he have access to like seaweed smoothies and things

1409
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 1: like that? Well, how about like literally no foods that

1410
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 1: exists with like ridiculous additives and food color. Yeah, he

1411
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: might like it, like everyone else would be freaking out.

1412
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers wins because he's more nimble and

1413
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: it's not just about power, uh in that in the

1414
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: in that arena, have Colleen, I haven't heard your answer yet.

1415
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going with Rogers too. I think Brady would

1416
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:02,879
Speaker 1: recover faster from the whole match, but I think Gary Rogers.

1417
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Aaron Rodgers just feels like he

1418
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: could maybe out patient Brady in their duel, like he's

1419
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 1: very I don't know. They're both so calm and like

1420
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: steely eyes. So I would like to see it, but

1421
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would go with Rogers, right, that's

1422
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: survivor slogan, outwit outlast, right, I'm with I'm with Mark

1423
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: about Mark. I mean, Brady kind of having that cold

1424
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: blooded nature to him, but it's not like Rogers is

1425
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: far behind there. I mean he's he's pretty pathological too,

1426
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: and so the athleticism, I think is what does it.

1427
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm with Dan, the the age difference. I'd happily lock

1428
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: it up, I will. I will say that Rogers. I

1429
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,640
Speaker 1: shouldn't unlock it up Rogers as a non competitor here,

1430
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: because he seems willing to strip himself of anything on

1431
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: some level if you look at his choices in his history,

1432
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: so too dangerous um fighter. Little Olivia Lunn called back there.

1433
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: I believe. Hey, um, Connie, finally you're the emperor. Whoever

1434
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 1: loses live or die. It's it. That's it for you.

1435
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: You're gonna give me. You're gonna give me that power. Um,

1436
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use it. Otherwise it's gonna be used on me,

1437
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: you know. All right, Well, there you have it. She

1438
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: is as cold blood as he gets. Colleen Wolf and yes,

1439
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: to make sure you check her out on NFL network.

1440
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,560
Speaker 1: You're all over the place, Connie. I know if you

1441
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 1: have any plug you want to throw in before you

1442
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: say goodbye, but you know where to find Connie on

1443
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: the dial. She's a star. Good morning Football weekend every Saturday.

1444
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 1: Check it out there it is there, she goes, thank you, Connie,

1445
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Bonnie Fox leaves us and we now uh

1446
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: edge toward the weekend and championship weekend. How fun? Two

1447
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: games left? Only three games left in the entire season. Mark,

1448
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: I know it's UM, it's been a it's been an

1449
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: endurance test. But let's than years past. I think this

1450
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: is where it is sad. You know, you're normally before

1451
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,599
Speaker 1: games left, we'd have the big Pro Bowl. Actually we're

1452
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 1: usually like traveling that day, but we're really yeah, but

1453
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: I mean we'd watch it later. We'd tape it and

1454
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: definitely watch it as a group. In past years, it

1455
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: would work out like this. We would be flying into

1456
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,799
Speaker 1: the super Bowl city while the Pro Bowl is played,

1457
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: and then you you check in, and then you go

1458
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,680
Speaker 1: down to the hotel bar and you see either the

1459
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: games in the third or fourth quarter, or you see

1460
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: the highlights, and you have a couple of drinks with

1461
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: some friends and you catch up and and life's good.

1462
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 1: I guess maybe the way to look at it positively

1463
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: is when it happens, When that setup happens a year

1464
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: from now, we'll just appreciate it more. I'm trying to

1465
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: like spin as in this new era for America. UM,

1466
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to now say I understand how things are

1467
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: right now, but things can get better, and there's a

1468
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: good chance that they will get better. And I believe

1469
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,560
Speaker 1: in that um on a lot of levels, including with

1470
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: our friend Chris Westley. I'm with you, we are we

1471
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: join you in that hope. All right, good stuff, all right.

1472
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 1: We'll be back Friday tomorrow on the NFL Network ourselves

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Speaker 1: with the Around the NFL Show. Make sure you check

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Speaker 1: that out six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific, and then

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Speaker 1: of course the Flagship Program where we recap and talk

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Speaker 1: about the two Super Bowl teams and the vanquished parties

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Speaker 1: that Colleen will cold bloodedly send to the death chamber,

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Speaker 1: uh if she has her way. And if you are overseas,

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Speaker 1: we will be involved with the Sky Sports coverage of

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Speaker 1: Championship Weekend on Sunday, So make sure you check that out,

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Speaker 1: all right? Anything else? Boys, I think that's it. I

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Speaker 1: think this is a good one. Let's go, as they say.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Bill, Yes, thanks for Bill Barnwell, Thank you

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Speaker 1: to County Boxes and Dan Hanson signing off for Guidet Storm,

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Speaker 1: the Old Boss, Ricky Hollywood behind the Virtual Glass, U

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Speaker 1: T S. Night