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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I never told you protection of I heart radio. Today

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the internet webs Yes, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like you and I have already told the story of

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Speaker 1: our because we're caring from small towns and the internet

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Speaker 1: was slow at best. I had a thirty minute time

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Speaker 1: We did have a computer room, like Bridget mentioned in

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Speaker 1: a recent episode where you write it out during food

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Speaker 1: like there's a big sign in all coups, right right,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, those like early experiences of just waiting so

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Speaker 1: isn't necessarily related to the Internet. But since we've already

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Speaker 1: told those stories, do you remember when you first bought

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Speaker 1: like the computer in the house. Oh see, I did

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Speaker 1: like what, But so I don't know because I was

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Speaker 1: When I came home from college? Because I think I

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Speaker 1: told the story where I was on the webs after

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Speaker 1: I come home from college one summer, the only summer

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Speaker 1: and it happened beyond the computer, and that's when everything burned.

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Speaker 1: So to me, that would the one and only time

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Speaker 1: And now I'm thinking back, I was like, I don't

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Speaker 1: I'm actually very surprised they had one even after we left,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. And the only reason my father had

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Speaker 1: for work. What about you? And I'm still gonna be

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be thinking about this for a while now. Well,

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Speaker 1: I I would like to put in here too. I

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Speaker 1: And I have many fond memories of my grandparents house

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Speaker 1: Is not equally accessible to everyone, as we were saying.

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Speaker 1: the social construction of technology theory suggests you can't not

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Speaker 1: girls don't have equal access to schooling is going to

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Speaker 1: be a pretty big factor to this problem. Literacy rates

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Speaker 1: obviously also play into this. Yes, some organizations have launched

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Speaker 1: initiatives to lessen the gender gap on the Internet, including

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Speaker 1: You and You to bring together the public and private

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Speaker 1: this really cool gender Digital Inclusion map that you can

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Speaker 1: use to navigate to get information about this based on

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Speaker 1: location Equals also has pushed for further research or data.

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Speaker 1: Always Good and with the You and You has formed

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Speaker 1: a group of twenty nine academic partners to collect more

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Speaker 1: data about this issue. The World Bank and CEES have

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Speaker 1: partnered to form the Global Tech Challenge Solutions for Women

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Speaker 1: as well, and similarly, there's the African Girls Can Code

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Speaker 1: The Broadband Commission for Sustainable Developments Working Group on the

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Speaker 1: Digital Gender Divide has released a number of recommendations as well,

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Speaker 1: and several countries have launched initiative to combat this problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in general, more gender focused data is needed. Let's just yes,

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Speaker 1: obviously we always need more. Increasing awareness arounds issues and

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Speaker 1: in this whole thing as well, and then curbing online

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Speaker 1: abuse and putting in place structures of reporting and prevention

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Speaker 1: also very important. Addressing toxic work environments and tech getting

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Speaker 1: more women in tech. There are programs that dedicated to

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Speaker 1: distributing phones to women experiencing domestic abuse as well online

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Speaker 1: or video up skilling classes to increase user confidence because

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Speaker 1: that actually that actually, uh, it's a it's a bigger

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Speaker 1: problem that you might imagine, especially if you did grow

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the vaccine and older people not

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Speaker 1: feeling confident in the Internet, that really can keep you

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Speaker 1: away from like learning more are using it. So offering

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Speaker 1: education opportunities, addressing systemic education issues and inequalities and childcare

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Speaker 1: and domestic work, equal pay yeah, I know, equal funding

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Speaker 1: the women owned startups, right, so, also improve internet literacy.

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Speaker 1: That means it can help with the issues of oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, grooming, sex trafficking, harassment, and technophobia. So

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Speaker 1: instead of going online and ranting about conspiracy theories, actually

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Speaker 1: teaching m h, what could be a bad moment for

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Speaker 1: a child and or what could be misinformation disformation. Go

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Speaker 1: listen to our friend bridget tad show that might help

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Speaker 1: you surprise surprise, and then looking into and evaluating social

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Speaker 1: media or data taxes that some countries have and the

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Speaker 1: cost of the data in general. Right, so when we

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Speaker 1: talk about the fact that people are having to pay

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Speaker 1: by minute or pay by certain small amounts because they

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Speaker 1: can't afford an actual plan, which are ridiculous. And we

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Speaker 1: know capitalism is not the best, especially in the marketing

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Speaker 1: like in the US, wears owned by pretty much just

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Speaker 1: two big companies. So and then ask women and other

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Speaker 1: marginalized groups to be involved in these conversations. Surprise, got

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Speaker 1: in there, got put it in there. Yeah, And it

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Speaker 1: seems a lot of this because the un did have

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Speaker 1: that goal that yes, was missed last year. But there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of things being written about this now and

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Speaker 1: a lot of organizations and initiatives around this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to learn more, there is a

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Speaker 1: lot out there for you. There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: resources for you, so go check those out. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: all of this has been exacerbated by COVID and just yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think about it. How many things are you trying

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Speaker 1: to do digitally now to protect yourself and your family

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Speaker 1: or to make money, yes, really working from home or

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Speaker 1: going to the doctor online, all those things, school online,

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Speaker 1: and this pandemic has really shown the importance of it

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Speaker 1: and also our dependence on it in a lot of cases.

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Speaker 1: I think it has also shown like what works and

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Speaker 1: what doesn't work? Yeah, And school you we can talk

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Speaker 1: about No, I was just laughing at that. Did you

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Speaker 1: see that article about al zoom activates your fight or flight?

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Speaker 1: Doesn't really that makes so much sense something. Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: new article just came out that said to having your

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Speaker 1: coworkers space Semantha in such like close counter where you

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Speaker 1: can't get away, right. Uh. It makes me a little

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Speaker 1: more um attention deficit, like where I have to especially

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Speaker 1: if there's a meeting with which we have which over

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Speaker 1: fifty people, and I started flicking through like who's here,

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Speaker 1: who's that? And I no longer pay into the meeting.

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Speaker 1: I do that too. I'm just like pages through like

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Speaker 1: what people's background. But I mean just kind of talking

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Speaker 1: about the expectations we lay on kids. So if you're

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Speaker 1: having that hard of time paying attention, how are these

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Speaker 1: kids doing this? And then the amount of fails? Can

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Speaker 1: we talk about that? Like my partner put on a

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Speaker 1: whole YouTube video people doing stupid on Zoom. We're saying

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Speaker 1: stupid on zoom and being called out, and I couldn't

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Speaker 1: handle it. I had to walk out, like I hate

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Speaker 1: this is the worst thing in the world, because oh

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Speaker 1: my god, it's so cringe e. It is so cringe. E.

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Speaker 1: How many people have seen people in their underwear that

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Speaker 1: they would have never seen had it not been from

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Speaker 1: this on accident. We're not going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: really harassment, but like the accidents that have happened, and

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Speaker 1: you are mortified for the rest of your life. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm as I'm a coward. I'm a video

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Speaker 1: conference coward because I I'll panic, I'll be like it

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Speaker 1: says connect with computer audio and there's a hundred people

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Speaker 1: on and I like, connect on mute. Well, right, and

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Speaker 1: it's not like I even have sounds happening, right, You're

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Speaker 1: in complete silence, holding your breath. And then you're like

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Speaker 1: you but yeah, I think this is an interesting thing

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Speaker 1: that COVID and the pandemic and quarantine has shown us

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Speaker 1: a lot, and it has shown a giant gap in

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Speaker 1: the privileges. So that's also important that we make note

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Speaker 1: of it and hopefully it will be something that we

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Speaker 1: can have a solution for or although it took to

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Speaker 1: the end almost towards the end of this year last

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Speaker 1: year for Internet a couple of these like comcasts to

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Speaker 1: be like, well, okay, we'll increase sp for those who

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Speaker 1: need it, Like really, yeah, really, and they were tossing

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Speaker 1: around like data caps because they knew we're all at home,

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Speaker 1: well not all of us, but the whole are. They're

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Speaker 1: still talking about doing data caps at this point because

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Speaker 1: they were like, well, we can make more money and

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Speaker 1: there's only two of us. Let's do this together, y'all. Yea,

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Speaker 1: But yes, this lack of access worse than systemic gaps

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Speaker 1: that already exists, and we're missing out all these things

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Speaker 1: that these women and girls without the internet have to offer.

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Speaker 1: So and I don't like that. I don't like it either.

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Speaker 1: You know what. This is one of the big things

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Speaker 1: that though people are doing things on the ground and

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Speaker 1: because people may not be sharing it on the Internet,

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Speaker 1: that we're having a hard time and missing out on

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Speaker 1: all these amazing people doing amazing works. I've just talked

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Speaker 1: about the frustration of trying to find some amazing people

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Speaker 1: who I get a small blip buff but I want

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Speaker 1: to know more, and they need to be highlighted because

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Speaker 1: they're doing amazing works and it should be highlighted so

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Speaker 1: that the world season instead of just the small community. Absolutely. Yes, Well,

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Speaker 1: on that note, we would love to hear from you listeners.

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Speaker 1: You can email us at Stuff Media, mom Stuff at

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