1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: It's like a bunch of different illustrations of dictators all done. 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: It's like little anime chicks. So they're all hot, so 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: like pol Pot's this like sexy girl and a throat 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: of skulls. But Tito they made into a milf like 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: she's got all of her kids around her. It's the 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: only it's the only one with kids. Um. I don't 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: know why they picked Tito for that, but it does 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: kind of work. This Is It Could Happen Here a 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: podcast about which anime war criminals are hottest and it's idiomine. Actually, 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: the idiomine in that book is pretty pretty pretty smoking 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: as a like wearing black lingerie on a throne of skulls. Okay, nice, 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: just kissing you make it in No, no kissinger all 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: all like like world leaders. Um I would I would 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: argue that, but he does not make the book. No, 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: It's sad tragic anyway. This Is It Could Happen Here 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: podcast Things Falling Apart and other stuff. I'm here again 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: with my buddy James. James. Hi, Hi, Hi one. Which 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: dictator do you think would be hottest? They were like 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: gender ben Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I'd have to 20 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: go for like one of the old timey ones press, 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: one of the one of the one of the one 22 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: of the os. Yeah. I think Kauzar Nikki had nothing 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: to do but like look hot and he was a 24 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: big workout guy. Yeah, big workout, got nice to rip, 25 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: nice nice outfits, tight trousers. I think I'd probably go 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: with him. Yeah that that scans now which was hottest 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: as they were? Like, which is the most fuckable war criminal? 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: That's a tough one. I'd probably have to think about that, 29 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: I know, not a coming to mind. Actually, oddly that 30 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: Stalin pictures of fake Yeah, not not not nearly. Actually 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: that's sexy. Um, Joseph the Stallion, I gotta go. I 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: gotta go with Saddam Hussein. Yeah, that's true. He has 33 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: a sort of full mustache and it's good that mustache. 34 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: Fox James, we should probably talk about something that's not 35 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: which dictators are most falcable UM. Today we're going to 36 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: chat about he fat courses UH, and about emergency UM 37 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: and particularly like combat medicine, which is a more relevant 38 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: topic for a lot of people. In the wake of 39 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 1: a couple there's a mass shooting at a protest in Portland. Uh, 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: there's been a whole lot of threats made against LGBT people. Uh. 41 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: Jack poss O Biak launched a T shirt that was 42 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: basically threatening a mass shooting at Disney World. All sorts 43 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: of fun ship has been happening. Yeah, it does seem 44 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: like we're aspiringing towards the end of times. Yeah, it 45 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: certainly seems if you want to be less, you know, 46 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: apocalyptic than that. It certainly seems credible to say that 47 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: there's a pretty good chance people there are people listening 48 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: to this who have not been present at a shooting, 49 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: who will be present at a shooting at some point 50 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: in their lives. Yeah. And I think given that, it 51 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to like, I'm joking about the end 52 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: of times, right, Like we shouldn't panic and things. We 53 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: should think about ways we can protect each other and 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: keep each other safe. Yeah. So what is a he 55 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: FAT course because you recently went through. Yeah, so he 56 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: FAT is an acronym right Hostile Environment First Aid training. Um, 57 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: it's a British thing. I think that's the syllabus I 58 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: believe is standardized by the government in the UK. So 59 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: most of the courses you'll find are in the UK 60 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: clustered around Hereford for pretty obvious reasons, but that there 61 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: are there are a couple in the United States, and 62 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: there are some in other countries too, And it's for journalists, 63 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: aid workers and geo staff and anyone else who's working 64 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: in an environment that would be considered like high risk 65 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: or hostile and out to your point, that includes most 66 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: of the United States at the minute, right, Yeah, well, 67 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: I mean we are in this funds place where literally 68 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: any moment could turn into a situation with the intensity 69 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: of of a low density war zone. Yeah, I mean, 70 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: we have more weapons and than most war zones, and 71 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: also people who think it's okay to kill other people 72 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: because they like Mickey Mouse, and it does seem like it, 73 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: like you said, it is more likely that we will 74 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: see more shootings, even bombings and that kind of thing. 75 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: Like we can't say for sure, but yeah, now you 76 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: you have done some of the same kind of work 77 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: that that I and some other colleagues of ours have done, 78 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, in in hostile environments, difficult places prior to 79 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: going through this course. Obviously, when we're talking about like 80 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: what sort of first aid skill should people have, the 81 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 1: most basic stuff is like how to apply a tourniquet, 82 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: which we'll talk about a bit more later, how to 83 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: um if it's not because tourniquets are really only for extremities, 84 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: you know, you can't really turniquet a gut wound or whatever, 85 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: and so for that it's more like packing it but outside. 86 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: So I'm going to assume you had your more than 87 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: your share of experience with that kind of stuff. What 88 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: did you learn new going through this course? Like, what 89 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: was the stuff that emphasized that's kind of beyond the basics? Yeah, so, um, 90 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: the stuff I've done before has been some of that 91 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: basic start the bleed stuff and then a fair amount 92 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: of wilderness medicine stuff, so some of the improvised stretches 93 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: and stuff I was familiar with. I enjoyed some of 94 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: the releases they did, Like I'm not talking about like 95 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: necessarily like a hand to hand combat or open hand combat, 96 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: but like ways to release yourself in a non violent fashion. 97 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: I thought that was very good. Ways to move through crowd. 98 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: I found that very interesting. And we did a lot 99 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: around how to move under fire, how to react around explosives, 100 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: how to react around indirect fire, and most of that 101 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: had already covered, and then some of the stuff around 102 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: hostage situations, to include a simulated a hostage situation where 103 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: you're blindfolded or hooded and sort of ask questions and 104 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: poked with a blank firing weapon. As such, I think 105 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: it's really good. You can't really have enough fix what 106 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: you can have too much experience for that, but to 107 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: simulate that and as realistic as setting as possible I 108 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: found was super helpful. So I think, yeah, I think 109 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: that was probably the most interesting thing for me now 110 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: when it comes to what kind of training people can get, 111 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: because the heath had courses a couple of thousand bucks, 112 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: which is beyond I know. We have some colleagues listening, 113 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: and I think it's a good thing for people who 114 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: are going to do this kind of journalism to consider, 115 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: or if you're in you know, an aid worker or 116 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: someth someone who is going to be going into these 117 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: situations for a living, that's but for a normal person listening, 118 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: it's probably more than you're likely to want to get 119 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: um or have the resources to get. So what what 120 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: people because because especially in the wake of shooting is 121 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: pretty much any time there's a mass shooting or violence 122 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: at a protest, I will tweet about I FAX again 123 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: and I FACT is an individual first aid kit. It's 124 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: what like every soldier is supposed to have on their 125 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: belt or on their plate carrier. And it generally consists 126 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: of what are called and this is when people ask 127 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: like what should I get to be ready for a 128 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: shooting UM. Generally it consists of consists of two chest seals. 129 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: These are called eclusive dressings. They're basically like kind of 130 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: sheets of adhesive plastic. I would say that you like 131 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: put over if you get shot in like the lungs, 132 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: you your lungs kind of depressure rise UM, and that's bad. 133 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm not a biology expert, but you're 134 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: not supposed to have a whole three year lungs UM. 135 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: And one of the things that you do to treat 136 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: that immediately is you put this kind of addressing over it, 137 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: which stops the lung from collapsing basically UM. So that's 138 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: one thing you'll find it an IFAC. You'll also find 139 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: what's called a combat tourniquet. There's a bunch of kinds 140 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: of tourniquets. UM. I was doing a stop the bleed course. 141 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: We'll talk more about that in a bit, but that's 142 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: the thing everyone should do, like in terms of you know, 143 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: he fat is kind of more advanced and for people 144 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: who are going to professionally put themselves in shitty situations. Um, 145 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: stop the bleed is for everybody. And one of the 146 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: things I was having a chat with people who were 147 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: teaching them, we were doing a little meeting, um, and 148 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: one of the things that was brought up people always 149 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: talk about, well, I wear a belt in case I 150 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: need to make a tourniquet or this or that, and 151 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: virtually never works, like close to zero percent success, right, Um, 152 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: even when it's someone who's trained and experience providing tourniquets, 153 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: like random ship does not make a good tourniquet. Tourniquets 154 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: make good tourniquets. Yeah, they're more that easy to carry. 155 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: They don't cheap, right, But on the same you shouldn't 156 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: cheap out on them either, right, Like we've I know 157 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: we've talked about this on Twitter, and I know, like 158 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: Amazon sales m they also had a problem with selling 159 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: fakes sort like North American Rescue I think it's called 160 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: emergency rescue. I'll give you something. Yeah, North American Rescue 161 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: is really good one of the so yeah, rescue essentials. 162 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: So what a combat tourniquet is, because there's different. Some 163 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: tourniquets are just like a plastic band almost almost like 164 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: if you go to a gym, those things that people 165 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: like wrap around their legs to do squats or something 166 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: or lifts. It's kind of like it looks a little 167 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: like that. Um and those Yeah, obviously like those can work, 168 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: but they're not nearly a combat tourniquet is. Basically it's 169 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: a little um like kind of nyloni fabric belt thing 170 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: that you strap around and you tighten it um and 171 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: velcrow it tight and then there's something called a windless, 172 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: which is basically a metal or plastic stick that you 173 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: then twist around. Uh, and that twisting action when you 174 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: twist it, that's going to tighten it and that's going 175 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: to stop the artery from bleeding. Um. And then you 176 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: lock it into place. There's a little place to lock it. 177 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: And so when you get a cheap tourniquet, it generally 178 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: means the windlass is made out of something flimsy or 179 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: the fabric at hearing the windlass to the belt thing 180 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: is not very good and it will break when being tightened. Yeah, 181 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: and you don't want what you don't want to do 182 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: is not have enough pressure, have sort of weird pressure, 183 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: because what you're going to do tomorrow, I'm not that 184 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: kind of doctor. Right, is you can cut off the 185 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: venus return and not the arterial flow, and that's what 186 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: you can give yourself compartments in direct right. I just 187 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: wanted to backtrack quickly, and we're talking about how expensive 188 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: he facts are. If people are listening and they are 189 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: in that kind of line of work. The International Women's 190 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: Media Foundation is doing free he FAT courses for women, 191 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: gender nonconforming, non binary people, and I gotta I got 192 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: a grant from the Rory Peck Trust to go and 193 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: do mind so for journalists. Both those are really only 194 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: for journalists, and media really encourage people to apply. Yeah, UM, 195 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: and that's that's great information because if you can, even 196 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: if like your journalism has been sort of like citizen 197 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: journalism where you're showing up at a protest and you know, 198 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: taking pictures or whatever, UM, give it a shot. Like 199 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: if you like, the more people who have this kind 200 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: of training, UM, as a general rule, the better. UM. 201 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: When it comes to stop the bleed, courses are generally 202 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: going to be much more available. Some of them are 203 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: operated as charities and we'll give out an I fac 204 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: or something at the end. Some of them have a 205 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: nominal fee. It kind of depends on where you are. 206 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: I've seen both. Portland has a lot of stop the 207 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: bleed courses, which is why when we had our most 208 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: recent mass shooting at a protest um more people didn't 209 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: die because folks had equipment and we're ready. Um, you're 210 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: you should expect to spend about thirty bucks generally on 211 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: a combat tourniquet um, sometimes twenty, but like the good 212 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: ones are all about thirty. Um. I would shoot for 213 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: something with a metal windless that's generally assign Again, there's 214 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: like Rescue Essentials and a couple of other brands that 215 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: are reliable. But it's called a Tactical Committee on Combat Care, 216 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: which is the government finding thing it so like if 217 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: you let them do the research so you don't have to. 218 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: They provide a list of cornic tornic case torn cats. 219 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: The one that most people have is that could cat 220 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: right combat application tornic. If you get that, even if 221 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: it's not the best one or the smallest lights or whatever, 222 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: every that's the one most people train with. They know 223 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: how to use and I think you've said this before, like, 224 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: even if you don't know how to use it, if 225 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: you are in a situation where it's needed and you 226 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: just say I have this, have a tornic that someone 227 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: might take it and use it. So Yeah, and it's 228 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: it's like, it's okay if you panic, as long as 229 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: you get that into the hands of somebody who can 230 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: use it. But it's also important if you're going to 231 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: carry it to train with it. I heard when I 232 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: posted about this recently, someone said that they and their 233 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: friends have a game where when they're like hanging out, 234 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: somebody will toss a tourniquet at someone else and say, like, 235 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: you know, right arm or something like that, right arm 236 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: above elbow or something like that, and they'll have to 237 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: apply the tourniquet and get it on as quickly as 238 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: they can in that place, which is a good game. 239 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: You're not going to like in twenty or thirty seconds. 240 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: Like you know, you don't have to like injure yourself 241 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: doing it, but you can you can get it on 242 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: and get familiar with the motions and build like a 243 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: competence with it. Yeah, work out when you're going to 244 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: last through the limb and when you're gonna take it 245 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: off and go all the way around. But I think 246 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: standardizing one thing certainly among you and your affinity group 247 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: or your friends is probably a good move. Yeah. Yeah, 248 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 1: And it's it's one of those things the kind of 249 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: injuries that tourniquets are most needed for our like arterial 250 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: bleeding um, which is the kind of thing that if 251 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 1: you don't get a tourniquet on that you're dead um 252 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: very quickly, Like people will bleed out in seconds, sometimes 253 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: from like a femoral Yah, you've seen an arterial bleed, 254 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: and I'm sure that I know I have. I'm sure 255 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: you have. You know that that person has an arterial 256 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: bleat I that is a pressurized gushing of blood. It's 257 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: like bright the blood arterial bleeding. It comes out in spurts, 258 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: and it is like bright. It is not it does 259 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: not look like when you cut your finger the blood 260 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: tends to unless you're really cutting the ship out of 261 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: that figure. Yeah. Yeah, you. And one of the things 262 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: we did at this course, which is called at You 263 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: is they had like a simulated arterial bleeds and the 264 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: person was wearing it like a camelback, and then they 265 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: had like a hose pipe and it was just gushing 266 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: out and then you could actually sinch down on it 267 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: right with the strap and that actually stopped. Now, I 268 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: mean when it comes to like more advanced bleeding care, 269 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: because there's some wounds where number one, if it's like, 270 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: for example, too high up in your like crotch or something, 271 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: you know, you're not necessarily going to be able to 272 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: get a cat up there. Sometimes people will literally hold 273 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: the artery closed like that is a thing that and 274 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: that is more advanced certainly, um, but it is. It 275 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: is also like the physics of this are very basic. 276 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: If you can figure out where blood is coming from 277 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: and close is that blood will stop coming out, right, Like, 278 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: that's the principle of all immediate wound care for that 279 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah, there's an acronym that you use, 280 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: right Dr March, which we can go over and danger right. So, 281 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: and I think this is the thing that often gets 282 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: forgotten actually, especially if you're doing like somebody's start to bleed, 283 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: which is focused on first aid rather than specifically in 284 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: kind of combat care. But if you get hurt, not 285 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: only are you useless of that person, not only are 286 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: you hurt If someone comes to help, Now they have 287 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: to think about which person they're going to help. Right, 288 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: is how much harder to carry two people than one person? 289 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: So don't do that? Uh? And then response right, so Robert, 290 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: I see you've been shot. Doesn't look great? You okay? 291 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: And then massive bleed, airway respiration, check head to toe 292 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: and then hypothermia and you know one of the things 293 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: that is so like a combat turner kit, you just 294 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: generally you can keep it in like a kit. It's 295 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: also fine to keep it loose in your pocket. You 296 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: are not worried about sterility when you are applying a tourniquet. 297 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: It does not matter if you get shipped in the 298 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: wound like because they will note they'll be dead in 299 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: a minute if you don't get the tourniquet on um anyway, right, yeah, yeah, 300 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: you're not putting it in or whatever like it. So yeah, 301 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: so that's that's one kind. And that's again you're talking 302 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: about extremities, right. You can't put a tourniquet on the 303 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: neck because that would kill the person. Um. You would 304 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: use an inclusive a lot of times on the neck, 305 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: especially if like the airway gets Again, this is stuff 306 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: that you would you would get in to stop the 307 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: bleed course, and I recommend people for that. So we're 308 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: not going to go over treatment outside of like these basics, 309 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: but we'll talk about like you should have an inclusive dressings. 310 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: Two is what most effects come with. People I know 311 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: who have responded to shootings say you want more like 312 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: four because they are a lot wind up getting used. Yeah, 313 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: I think about I think those spectly chest seals and 314 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: something that I've been told by people with a lot 315 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: more experience than me. It's like when you're dealing with 316 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: a military setting, most people have their chest covered with plates, right, 317 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: and plate carries, and a civilian setting most people want 318 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: so gonna see a lot more of these like a 319 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: sucking chest wounds or penetration of the thoracic cavity. So yeah, 320 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: and in that setting, and they are very small, right, 321 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: you can put them into back pocket of your skin 322 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: e geet to, no one would notice. So another kind 323 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: of thing that you'll find in an I fact that's 324 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: useful is combat gauze. So there's two types of gauze 325 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: that you'll get in kits. One is just gauze, which 326 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: you know what gauzes um most wounds if they are 327 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: not life threatening packing with gauze and wrapping is perfectly 328 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: sufficient at least for immediate care. But combat gauze is 329 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: impregnated with a thing called cell locks, which is our 330 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: little granules. You can actually get them, just as the powder. 331 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: You shouldn't because it's it's not going to be useful 332 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: to you as a random person. UM. You should get 333 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: it in gauze, like impregnated into gauze. But it's made 334 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: from ground up crustacean shells and it basically makes blood 335 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: clot very quickly. UM survivability of arterial wounds in combat, 336 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: which was extremely low before cellos jumped to something like 337 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: or so like. It's it's pretty remarkable the degree to 338 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: which it's made certain, particularly like for moorl bleeds survivable UM. 339 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: And it can be used if you've got like a 340 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: serious arterial bleed. It will often be used in conjunction 341 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: if it's on an extremity with a tourniquet UM. But 342 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: you can just use it to pack a bleeding wound. 343 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: And if you pack it and apply pressure, sometimes you'll 344 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: pack the combat galls into there and then add other 345 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: gals outside of it. Like. But it's it's most wounds 346 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: that are bleeding aren't going to require sellock scaus and 347 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: it's pretty expensive, but it's another really useful thing to 348 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: have if there is like an arterial bleed. Yeah, I 349 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: think actually the where we first I think Kalin might 350 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: be what the stuff is called. I believe it comes 351 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: from indigenous practices using it to stop bleeding. But yeah, 352 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: it comes in a small package. Quicklot is the normal brand, 353 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's a lot of what we've learned about 354 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: stopping arterial bleeds has come from twenty years of war, right, 355 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: And they're obviously a lot of town sites, but yeah, 356 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: learning about how to stop those things is one of 357 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: the things that has got a lot better in the 358 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: last dec aid or so. That's another thing. And you 359 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: can always buy these kids pre made. A lot of 360 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: people make various premate kids. Yeah, you can google i 361 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: fac and make sure it's you know, rated, well, Dottle, 362 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: do your research. Um, we've mentioned some brands here, but 363 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: like it's not hard to find I Fax. They're they're 364 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: made constantly And it's one of those things we talked 365 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 1: on this show about being armed and whether or not 366 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: people should should have firearms, and I'm broadly supportive of 367 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: of particularly threatened people having guns. But there's downsides to 368 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: having a gun. Um, a number of them. We don't 369 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: need to get into the statistics, but there are a 370 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: bunch of downsides to being armed. There's no downside to 371 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: having an I FAC and keeping one in your car, 372 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: keep one in your backpack, you know. Um, there's absolutely 373 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: no way you will have a negative experience as a 374 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: result of the fact that you keep an eye fact 375 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: on you and it might save somebody's life. Yeah. I 376 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,239 Speaker 1: have a little ankle holster um that I use when 377 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm working in places where we wouldn't look very you know, 378 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: it would look off to have it on my belt. Uh, 379 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: And I don't want to carry backpack, maybe I need to. 380 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: It's wrapped around my ankle. And it has a tiny 381 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: combat dressing which you haven't really talked about Jesse Seal Tornique. 382 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: And it doesn't have the quick clot but the combat 383 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: dressing has its own goals. Yeah, we can talk about 384 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: that in a second. But like I just have like 385 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: I have a couple of effects. But also just in 386 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: all of my light jackets because you know Oregon, usually 387 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: you can wear some sort of jacket. I just have 388 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of cats and quick clot gauze packets just 389 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: kind of scattered around, like there's nearly always something just 390 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: in my pocket or in the center console in my car, 391 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: um in addition to the actual packed I fax and 392 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: yeah it's handy. Um, it's just good to have around. 393 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: It never hurts to have more of that stuff, or 394 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: you have the means or you know, if you are 395 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: in a situation where something horrible has happened, right like 396 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: what happened in Portland, if you in your truck have 397 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: three or four of those and you can just be 398 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: to go, go go. Does anyone know how to use these? 399 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: Use these if they're in your backpack when you're at 400 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: a protest, like, you could potentially save several lives. So 401 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: if you have the means, said, give them to strangers. 402 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: Like it's not like it's not like a gun, right, 403 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: Like you can't end your life with it with quick clot. Yeah, 404 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: so yeah, I would. It's a thing that everyone should 405 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: feel good about having. We should note again you wouldn't 406 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: want to use quick clot on a wound that was 407 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: not serious, because there's some concept like it burns. It's 408 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of nasty stuff in some ways, Um, it 409 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: can cause some complications for for like when the E 410 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: M T s get there, Um, it's often recommended that 411 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: you keep the packaging and give it to them. But 412 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: if it's if someone is clearly going to bleed to 413 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: death like that, then that then that's when you use 414 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: quick clot And if you're questioning whether or not a 415 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: wound is serious enough that someone might bleed to death 416 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: from it, assume they will. Right like air On the 417 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: side of that, if you're wondering is that a deadly bleed, 418 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: you're probably should probably treat it as if it is. Yeah, 419 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: I mean you're always better of keeping more blood inside 420 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: the person, right Yeah with that, Yeah, I've been told 421 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: to tape that to the person, and the same with 422 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: the torn Right, we should say that there will be 423 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: blood around. You can put a t on their forehead 424 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: with the blood. It's pretty normal and that works in 425 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: almost any language. And then you want to write the 426 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: time it was applied to and again you can do 427 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: that with the blood. But I have a half sized 428 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: sharpe that often comes in those kids. Yeah, And it's 429 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: one of those things like assuming it kind of is 430 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: dependent on your situation. Whether or not you'd likely to 431 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: have the time to mark that before the e m 432 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: T s arrive. But it is one of those things 433 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: even if it's even if your first responding is a 434 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: minute and a half or two minutes with a serious bleed, 435 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: that can be the difference between life and death for somebody. Yes, absolutely, yeah, yeah, 436 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: And it's different what you do when carry than coming 437 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: to what you do when carrey is coming. But the 438 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: first steps are not right stop the blood coming out 439 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: of the person. So we should probably talk about combat 440 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: dressings a little bit. Yeah, yeah, there are several types. 441 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: The one I've had suggested that I prefer, I think, 442 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how it's pronounced. It's O l A 443 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: yes olas dressing and has a little eye cup in 444 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: it as well, which you can use for in injuries. 445 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: Like and someone more of qualified than me to teach 446 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: you how to do that. I don't need to get 447 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: into that. Yeah, but it's it's a pad with gores 448 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: in it and then a sort of ace bandage, right, 449 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: And what it does is is provides compression and obviously 450 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: like an absorbent goals, you can also pull the goals out. 451 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: A fun thing to do is to find an expired 452 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: one and pull all that goals out and there is 453 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: just an unfathomable amount of gores there. So you can 454 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: use that to pack a wound, and practicing packing a 455 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: wound is also something that you can do. They're like 456 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: little little bottles. Yeah. The team I know who does 457 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: stop the bleed courses will take phone rollers and cut 458 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: holes in them and use that as like to so 459 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: you can and you can do different sizes, right, you 460 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: can actually just like get a knife and like jam 461 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: at its stab at a bunch and like use those 462 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 1: as different practice wounds. Yeah, it's a good idea. Can 463 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: you pack with two fingers? You know more than that 464 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: even one finger? People can pack with one finger, So 465 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: like what this dressing does is opposite. It's sometimes they're 466 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: called is rarely bandages, olas bandages. They often come in 467 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: like a tan package the Israeli once. Yeah, yeah that's right. Again, 468 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: like I would buy that from a reputable source and 469 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: they come in various sizes. Emergency dressing is another name, 470 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: and yeah, those are great for things where you don't 471 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: need to use quick clot where you may not need 472 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: yees significant bleeding but not like immediately life threatening. Yeah, 473 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: in some area as well like sometimes in the forearm, right, Like, 474 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: it can be hard because of these bones structures to 475 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: get the tornic a to work, So like you might 476 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: be able to use that start the name might have 477 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: to use quick clot right, but like having those options 478 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: is important. And again they're pretty small, probably the cheapest 479 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: of the things we've suggested so far as well. And 480 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: again and then then they make giant ones from abdominal 481 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: wounds to um and so like, I actually have one 482 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,959 Speaker 1: of those in my truck, have a bunch of more 483 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: stuff in my truck. I wrote a piece about the 484 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: first aid kit for your vehicle, which might ve look 485 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: slightly different, right if you imagine again, like we've talked 486 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: about shootings, but car accidents. That's that's when I the 487 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: only time I've had to use those dressings of in 488 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: car accidents. It helped pull a fucking dude out of 489 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: a truck that flipped on the way outside of Los 490 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: Angeles during a rainstorm. And it's like whole fucking like 491 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: right here in his hand had been gouged open where 492 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: like the it was quite a bit of blood. Um. 493 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, like that that's a bit. It's not all 494 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: just like action movie ship like it's something you should 495 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: keep on you because there's a wide variety of things 496 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: that can cause people to bleed a lot. Yes, exactly. Yeah, yeah, 497 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: and I think we are we always underestimated risk of 498 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 1: these drivings by the most dangerous thing most people do. 499 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: And yet having that in your car, you know, you 500 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: don't have to worry so much about carrying it. It 501 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: can just always be there. Don't leave it where it's 502 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: going to bake in the sun if you're in a 503 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: hot place. But yeah, again, the potential for you saving 504 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: a stranger's life or a friend's life. Yeah, he's high. Yeah, 505 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: keep it in a center console, keep it in a trunk, 506 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, keep it in a trunk alongside a machette 507 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: in a golf club. You know, you're always ready for 508 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 1: anything with that. I'm never ready for golf. But aside 509 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: from that, i'd be Oh, I wasn't saying for golfing. Yeah. 510 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: For crime, exactly. For crime. Medical actually make a read. Yes, 511 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: they make a lovely vehicle first aid kit and the 512 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: very nice people to so yeah that that's want to 513 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: look into. And they also do the bags. I have 514 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: a mystery runch bag that also clips onto it. Replaces 515 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: the hood or my backpack, and I have that in 516 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: my truck and then if I'm going out, especially when 517 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: I'm going out climbing, I'll just click that on and 518 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: have a slightly different kit that I take just for climbing. 519 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: But that's one of those scenarios where like, you could 520 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: hurt yourself climbing, and even if people are coming very quickly, 521 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: it's going to take you a while, right and thinking 522 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: another thing, I would be prepared to self rescue. That's 523 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: part of why you bring that kind of stuff. Self 524 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: rescues a massive part of climbing, right, learned learning the 525 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: lots sing the transfer of learning, the ways that you 526 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: can get yourself off of one of you hurt yourself 527 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: on the wall. And the American Alpine Club actually publishes 528 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: a thing called Accidents in North American Climbing and climb 529 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: this Okay, this person sunked up at this, and they 530 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: did this and this and this, and they were okay, 531 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: they weren't okay. So I think that's a very good 532 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: practice learning from other people. And with that, a big 533 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: thing that you focus on a wilderness medicine is rather 534 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: than what can I bring with me, what do I 535 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: have to already have with me, and how can I 536 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: use that? Right? So, uh, for instance, you need to 537 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: splin a leg, right you have a broken leg using 538 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: a sleeping pad or something which already has its redd 539 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: sleeves to do that. And that's something that like I 540 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: don't want to obviously advise people too much. Yeah, I 541 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: don't want to, like because again, so the difference this 542 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: is useful. People should be thinking about this UM when 543 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: it comes to emergency first aid, Like somebody was a 544 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: broken leg. If you're not, like, there's no real response 545 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: that you should like, that's not what stopped the bleed 546 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: is for right, like UM. One one of the nice 547 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: things about emergency medicine like this, like when you're talking 548 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: about someone is bleeding to death, is that one of 549 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: the ways I guess that you can you can you 550 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: can separate the two kinds of like first responding, because 551 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: there's the first responding where you can make it worse 552 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: and if you like, somebody like breaks a bone or 553 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: something and you can make that worse arterial. But yes, 554 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: but if somebody has an arterial bleeding, you can't make 555 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: that worse. There. It's the same thing with like UM 556 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: chest compressions right when you get trained as an e 557 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: M T. One of the things they'll point out is that, like, 558 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: you shouldn't use UM an A E D on an infant, 559 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: but you do because if they needed they're dead and 560 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: in that case, Yeah, I think it's important. Also in 561 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: the thing I didn't mention that I found very helpful 562 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: about this court, some of the sort of psychological aspects 563 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: of this is to remember that if you do find 564 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: yourself in this situation and you try and help and 565 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: that person dies anyway, then you did your best right 566 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: and that is of value. Like I've been in situations 567 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: where I've tried to help someone and they've died anyway, 568 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: and I think just remembering that, like that person hadn't 569 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: something terrible happened to them, and that your help didn't, 570 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: you know, like you tried your best to give this 571 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: that person at the chance it is not. If you 572 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: are responding to somebody who has this kind of injury, 573 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: there is a pretty good chance what you do won't matter. 574 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: Like it's the same thing if you are giving someone 575 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: chest compressions, that's very unlikely to save their life. Like 576 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: a fraction of the time when that happens does it 577 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: save anybody, But it can't make it worse if they're 578 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 1: not breathing. If they're not breathing, yeah, they're going to die. Yeah, yeah, 579 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: and I think you know, it's not like the movies 580 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: on television, and sometimes it doesn't work. It's important to 581 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: talk about that in the context. Yes, at much probably 582 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 1: much more likely the person will survive if you're doing 583 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: this stuff right, you're slapping on the torn again. You 584 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: do it right, you will stop that person, yes, yes, 585 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: and and but you know again it is a lot 586 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: of times what you might be doing is keeping them 587 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: alive long enough to get to the hospital. And you 588 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: can't guarantee anything other than that they don't bleed out 589 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: right there, right, And then maybe other injuries you haven't 590 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: seen this why we need to check head to toe 591 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: right and stuff like that, like especially in blast injuries. 592 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: You might not notice injuries to the back. Yeah, shrapnel 593 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: is a whole I mean, but all you can do 594 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: is like try to treat what you can see, yes, exactly, 595 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: and make sure that you don't miss anything by going 596 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: through that doctor March procedure right, which you're learning the course. 597 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're having a procedure that you do where 598 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: you make check so that you don't miss something that 599 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: you could have stopped, because then I imagine you will 600 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: feel bad. Yeah, none of what we've said we should 601 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: probably bring this to a close should be seen as 602 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: like the end all be all, or our attempt to 603 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: give you comprehensive training on this is in no way training. 604 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: This is advice on number one, the equipment that's necessary 605 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: for stopping someone from bleeding to death, and number two 606 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: the kinds of training you should get in order to 607 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: use it, and you should seek training. You should find 608 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: a stop the Bleed course. You should take a wilderness 609 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: medicine course if you can. If you if you are 610 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: someone who is in a field that it's relevant for, 611 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: you should try to get a heap at course. UM, don't, 612 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: don't just like be okay, I listened to a thirty 613 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: minute podcast. I'm ready to stop a bleed. Go go 614 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: get some training. Um, but definitely get a tourniquet and 615 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: practice with it. You can do some training yourself. You 616 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: can find videos online by reputable people who are affiliated 617 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: with different rescue organizations talking about and showing how to 618 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: apply tourniquets, how to apply dressings. UM that that's available 619 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: and you can provide yourself with a useful amount of 620 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: education and some of the basics that way. Yeah, I 621 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: think just to give out some resources on how you 622 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: can get the education right to stop the league dot 623 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: org should be free almost anywhere you are and you'd 624 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: like to get more training. Most community colleges have an 625 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: e M T course that is very affordable. Yeah, a 626 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: heathat course can run you a couple grand if it's 627 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: not subsidized. The last time when I took my impute training, 628 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: it was a thousand dollars. Yeah, I think it's less 629 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: than that now. I know people don't have many students 630 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: who are going through MT training and it's pretty affordable 631 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: free often enduring California, it's often free. The other things 632 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: you can do are wilderness medicine that is expensive. The 633 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: American Alpine Club has grants like more and more diverse. 634 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: Group of people should apply because all of the outdoors 635 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: could do with a lot more diversity, and encourage people 636 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: to apply. Yes, So for all of these training there 637 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: are grants, and I would encourage more people to apply 638 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: to them. But you, yeah, you can learn a lot 639 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: for free or on line. You can and should try 640 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: and educate your friends. Like we're saying is some of 641 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,239 Speaker 1: this stuff is hard to funk up. And even if 642 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: you don't feel confident, confident using stuff rescue essential with 643 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: North American Rescue Medical there's a place where you can 644 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: buy a pre made I fact, carry that around and 645 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: someone else can use it. And again for talking about 646 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: like the benefits of this versus the cool looking tactical 647 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: gear and guns and stuff, It's entirely possible to have 648 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of military equipment that is worse than useless 649 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: if you don't know how to use it is actively 650 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: a danger to other people. If you have a bunch 651 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: of medical gear and you don't know how to use it, 652 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: but you have it on you, you can always shout 653 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: like I have a tourniquet, I have like a combat 654 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: dressing or something like does anyone know how to use it? 655 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: No one is going to make fun of you in 656 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: the make of a mass shooting for trying to hand 657 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: off your gear to someone who knows how to use it. Yeah, exactly. 658 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: And like you don't have to carry around a little 659 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: green multi camp out or something like you can get 660 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: a bum bag put in a fucking purse, like whatever, 661 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter at all. They 662 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: have a very small, very compact and like a bumbag 663 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: of family pack. It's very handy because you can switch 664 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: it from the back to the front get to all 665 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: your stuff. So yeah, you don't have to be all 666 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: like tactical fucking Sammy savior. Just be sensible and safe. Yeah, 667 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: even if you don't, even if you pay a neck 668 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: or whatever and can't be the one to use it, 669 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: you can still help save somebody's life by fucking having 670 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: the ship because it's it's irreplaceable when it's not there. Yeah, 671 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: I would just encourage people to not use to the 672 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: elastic cornic. Yes, don't go and buy Nils up stuff 673 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: because you know you can probably pay the same price 674 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: to get some that's not expired and to Yeah, just 675 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: be conscious buying from those reputable people. They often have sales, 676 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: especially around holidays. You can you can hold out and 677 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: wait for those. Um. There are pretty good resources on 678 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: Reddit as well. Actually, there's a Tactical Medicine subreddit where 679 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: people will sort of list their kits and often posted 680 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: as a sale. So sometime's worth cruising that if this 681 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: is something, Yeah, do some research. Um, you may find 682 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: right now, especially from places like rescue Essentials. It is 683 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: harder to get combat tourniquets because the war in Ukraine 684 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: has caused a shortage of the good ones. But you 685 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: can still find them. You just may need to search 686 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: around a little bit. Yeah. What I found was that 687 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: because you've posted about this after New York shooting, was 688 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: that they were out of the straight tornicut that they 689 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: were not out. They wanted to go with the pouch. 690 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: Pouch you cost like six or eight dollars. I know 691 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: that that that's more of an expense, but if you can, 692 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: if you can afford that, then getting that's not a 693 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: bad idea anyway, because that you can put on your belt, 694 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: put it and have one of my backpack but hiking, right, 695 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: So that's definitely something that Yeah, all right, well that's 696 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: gonna do it for this episode, James, you want to 697 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: plug anything. Um anarchism? Oh good, yes, absolutely, um yeah, 698 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: go uh to find a hierarchy and like throw a 699 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: rock at it. Yeah, just look after other people and 700 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: don't resort to the state to do it. Be kind 701 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: to each other and uh, get getting MP training if 702 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: you can. It could happen here as a production of 703 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, 704 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: visit our website cool zone media dot com, or check 705 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: us out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 706 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts, you can find sources 707 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,439 Speaker 1: for It could happen here, updated monthly at cool zone 708 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: media dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.