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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, and I am joined by

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Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, or well some heroes, Mark

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Speaker 1: Zessler and Chris Westling. What's up boys? Hey Dan Ah No,

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal attending to some personal business today. Uh, he

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Speaker 1: will be back hopefully this weekend. We hope we must

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Speaker 1: soldier on and uh. This show, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: for the first time on Periscope, our first Thursday preview show.

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Speaker 1: So uh, if you want to um, well you're either

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Speaker 1: listening or watching or not right now. But we're gonna

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Speaker 1: hope to hope to do this throughout the postseason. Get

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Speaker 1: the periscope um ship rolling along and away we go.

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Speaker 1: Perfect timing, right in time for Week seventeen. Here comes

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Speaker 1: the Thursday show on Periscope and that you paired ship

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Speaker 1: with periscope like down periscope or absolutely on purpose? Chris Westling,

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Speaker 1: this is the first Thursday Night show this season that

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Speaker 1: didn't start with a recap of Thursday Night football because

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Speaker 1: we have all sixteen teams playing on Sunday and Week

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Speaker 1: seventeen as uh, per tradition of the league. What are

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Speaker 1: you gonna do with your Thursday night? Off? West? A

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Speaker 1: little Casablanca on VHS, A little boxed wine. I don't

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Speaker 1: do boxed wine, it's too good for me. But Casablanca

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Speaker 1: always sounds like a great Thursday night. Yeah, I might

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Speaker 1: do that. Hubba hubba, Thank you, Gilda. I haven't watched

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Speaker 1: that in a while. That's a good old classic. How

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Speaker 1: old are yous? Forty two? But I appreciate well done things.

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Speaker 1: You know what, You're a good man, West. Greg is

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Speaker 1: just gonna be honest. You know, sometimes it's important to

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Speaker 1: like me. I'm just gonna be honest. Not having Greg here,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss him in the show. He has great insight.

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Speaker 1: He's a friend. But my cup of water, um, I'll

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Speaker 1: call him cleadas Uh has its own little spot. So

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Speaker 1: kind of like let us there. Yeah, I mean, i'd say,

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Speaker 1: you know, the cutting. Perhaps the commentary suffers without Greg

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Speaker 1: factor a little bit higher than Greg. Greg has some competition.

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Speaker 1: Greg getting banged in a big spot here. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: we have a bunch of games to get to, very

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Speaker 1: exciting and not all of the games have ties to relevance,

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Speaker 1: but we will talk about one huge hulge question facing

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Speaker 1: each or one of those teams involved in that, you know,

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Speaker 1: essentially meaningless game. So even the games that don't matter, folks,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get a nice little preview. Sounds good, right,

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Speaker 1: That's how we do it. We spin forward because we're

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Speaker 1: a meaningful game, in fact, the one that everyone's excited for,

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Speaker 1: a game? What else has to be said here? Mark Sessler.

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Speaker 1: This matters to the Lions, so I agree that it's

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Speaker 1: He has been practicing this week, but their offense has

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Speaker 1: you drafted Breshad Perriman if you have faith that he's

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Speaker 1: going to be Steve Smith's successor fill those shoes. Then

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Speaker 1: you go to the other side of the ball and

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Speaker 1: you get in. You get a talented edge rusher because

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Speaker 1: Terrell Suggs and almost Doomer Real both in their mid thirties,

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Speaker 1: long in the tooth, and you want to be prepared

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Speaker 1: for when they do walk away. I would say you

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Speaker 1: need an edge rusher. It's good answer. Um, I think

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Speaker 1: they can use another play as Steve Smith, he's on

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Speaker 1: the Ravens correct that he that is correct for one

436
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Speaker 1: more game. Yes, he he's had a nice season, but

437
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a telling thing that he

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Speaker 1: is such an important part of the offense. And Dennis Pitta,

439
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Speaker 1: who's had a nice year. But you're asking a lot

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Speaker 1: for a guy that has, you know, plastic hips and

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Speaker 1: you've got nice things that Mike Wallace this year. But

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Speaker 1: how about and I know Bernard Perriman is supposed to

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Speaker 1: be this guy supposed to having a tough one. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's gotta be somebody else. I think we're missing a piece.

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Speaker 1: I feel like whether it's in the backfield or on

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Speaker 1: the outside. He's had a bad year. Okay, that's the

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Speaker 1: piece that's missing. So you don't think you don't have

448
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Speaker 1: any problems with their playmakers. You think it's a problem

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Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks. Shod Perriman has shown a lot. I

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Speaker 1: think the question with him is is he at the

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Speaker 1: right spot on the field where Joe Flacco can trust him?

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why Wallace and Smith were still

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Speaker 1: one and two and Paraman was behind camar Ak and

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Speaker 1: a special team. I mean, the one argument for dance point, though,

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Speaker 1: would be that you look at Pittsburgh and they continue

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Speaker 1: to add play making wide receivers and they've needed them. Actually,

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Speaker 1: they're multiple arguments for my not just one because it

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Speaker 1: was one. Yes, you know, I mean, are we going

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Speaker 1: crazy about what's going on in their backfield? I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna go crazy. Could they use a changing running back? Potentially,

461
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Speaker 1: Cowboys got better when they got a big time running back.

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Speaker 1: They're all fair points. They could also use a play call.

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Speaker 1: Who's willing to use the backfield? Do you touch? Do

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Speaker 1: you think that this offense is broken? No? I don't.

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Speaker 1: We're making that kind of the quarterbacks. The problem, and

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Speaker 1: the the play callers a problems. I don't think just

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Speaker 1: because Joe Flacco had a bag year coming off at

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Speaker 1: a c L surgery, he's gonna have a bag year

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Speaker 1: again in two thousand seventeen. He's not a top ten quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's he is a franchise quarterback. So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: To me, he's a lot like Eli Manning. You don't

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Speaker 1: know from year to year what you're gonna get. Um, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's move on to New England Patriots. Uh, they are

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Speaker 1: rolling usually pencilman for twelve winds. They might get fourteen

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Speaker 1: this year. They're thirteen and two right now, and they

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Speaker 1: now travel to Miami to as the Dolphins. And this

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Speaker 1: is a nice little matchup. You have the Pats who

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Speaker 1: are they do not want to make the mistake they

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Speaker 1: made last year might have cost him a trip to

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl by not finishing strong. And I know

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Speaker 1: that's been a major point of emphasis in in on

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Speaker 1: Patriot way. Uh all week has finished strong. Get that

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Speaker 1: number one seed because they're gonna be very hard to

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Speaker 1: beat in the playoffs with every home game, both those

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Speaker 1: a f C home games at Gillette Stadium. Uh, if

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Speaker 1: they make their way through the playoffs. And on the

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Speaker 1: other side, you have the Dolphins who continue to win

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Speaker 1: mark and they continue to surprise people. But maybe they

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Speaker 1: didn't they won last week, but maybe there were some

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Speaker 1: signs danger signs for a team that's going to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: The danger signed for me. Would you know? It was

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Speaker 1: easy to come away from that game and talk about

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Speaker 1: what Jagi did to Buffalo's defense, but rewatching that tape,

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Speaker 1: Miami's defense was also just a wide open prairie land

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Speaker 1: to run and pass through. And and you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: get through the playoffs that way, and you're not going

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Speaker 1: to take down Tom Brady, who right now is three

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Speaker 1: touchdowns away, and if he doesn't throw a pick of

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Speaker 1: having the best touchdown to pick interception touchdown interception ratio

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Speaker 1: of any quarterback of our lifetime. Hashtag slow regression, non regression,

501
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Speaker 1: Where are we with that hashtag slight regression? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's time to take that hashtag and throw

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Speaker 1: it in the sea. First of all, science is powerful thing.

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Speaker 1: Second of all, let's see how he does in the playoffs. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I watched I entered in this game when I watched

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Speaker 1: the thinking I'm gonna respect the Dolphins. They came in

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Speaker 1: and they won a big game when they had to,

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Speaker 1: and I walked away quite the opposite. Three other touchdowns

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Speaker 1: came from some of the most horrendous tackling attempts I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen by the Bills, and frankly, it should have

511
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Speaker 1: got Rex fired on DeVante Parker's touchdown. Damian Williams forty

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Speaker 1: four yard play that's set up a touchdown, and then

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Speaker 1: what was the other The other touchdown was just Kanyan

514
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Speaker 1: Drake going through their defense, just terrible. Matt Moore too,

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Speaker 1: going into halftime cost them two separate field goals by

516
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Speaker 1: under throwing his receivers on four different throws. This was

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Speaker 1: a problem. And I think the Patriots, in the other hand,

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Speaker 1: maybe the most balance they've gone to the postseason and

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Speaker 1: a half a decade. They that defense. We keep hearing

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Speaker 1: how the front seven has been revamped throughout the season,

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Speaker 1: all these names. Malcolm Butler's playing as well as he

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Speaker 1: ever has, defend, Devin mccordy's playing as well as he

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Speaker 1: ever has. This defense is balanced. Yeah, forgetting this. Every

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Speaker 1: week we get this new number one defense, which is

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Speaker 1: based off I think a staff that ultimately is going

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Speaker 1: to change here where we based it off of yardage,

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Speaker 1: it will never change, actually, but well, I would argue

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Speaker 1: that it should because New England's the number one scoring defense,

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Speaker 1: and that's that's not a mirage. You're not able to

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Speaker 1: put up points on the Patriots. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: New England is you know you want to be. They've

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Speaker 1: had troubles in Miamis. If any team has given Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick issues historically, it's been the Dolphins, and I don't

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Speaker 1: see that happening this time. I agree with us that

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Speaker 1: they were fortunate to win that game, but I did

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Speaker 1: again find it to be a nice spirited performance from

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins that could they could have laid down at

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Speaker 1: several points the game could have been over. Absolutely, I

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Speaker 1: agree with down, and they fought through it, and I

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Speaker 1: think that shows again Adam Gates having a really nice debut.

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Speaker 1: C This is a different Miami team the past year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Dolphins have been sneaky, one of the

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Speaker 1: most depressing franchises for a while. So and we have

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Speaker 1: a couple of Dolphins fans scattered throughout our office, and

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Speaker 1: they are rightfully very enthused about what they're seeing. It's

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Speaker 1: a start. They're not there entirely yet. But there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of reasons to look at Adam Gates and say,

548
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Speaker 1: coach of the Year candidate, is he that coach of

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Speaker 1: the year. I don't think somebody's very He's up at

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Speaker 1: the top top five. I'm not questioning their coach, I'm

551
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Speaker 1: not questioning their metal, I'm not questioning their for testicular fortitude,

552
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Speaker 1: questioning whether they have the talent to beat the Patriots

553
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Speaker 1: because Matt Moore frankly doesn't have the arm. Yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: move on now. Talk about the Oakland Raiders twelve and

555
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Speaker 1: three traveling to Denver to face the Broncos. You would

556
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Speaker 1: have about, you know, a month ago, six weeks ago,

557
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Speaker 1: circled this one on the calendar. Is an amazing Week

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Speaker 1: seventeen game. But then Denver, uh, you know, they crapped

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Speaker 1: the bed. Let's be honest and not to gloat, but

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Speaker 1: we kind of picked Denver as an eight and eight

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Speaker 1: team this year. Got absolutely destroyed by hundreds upon hundreds

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Speaker 1: of Denver fans when they got out to that four

563
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: no start. But ultimately this team is exactly what if

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Speaker 1: you didn't if you had doubts about the Broncos entering

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Speaker 1: the season. It's it's the same things that came back

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Speaker 1: to get them. Maybe the defense is a little surprising,

567
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Speaker 1: but it's not that surprising that they would come down

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Speaker 1: to earth after such an amazing season. So this game

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything for Denver Um other than you get

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Speaker 1: a look at Paxton Lynch. But on the Oakland side,

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Speaker 1: Matt mcglen's the quarterback now and what West? What does

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Speaker 1: that mean? Does that mean the Raiders are done? Or

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Speaker 1: is there a way to look at this team and

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Speaker 1: still say this team has a path to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: With Matt mcgleoyne behind center, I think it caps their ceiling.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't expect him to be able to

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Speaker 1: beat a Steelers Chiefs. I mean that they weren't beating

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs with Derek Carr already or the Patriots with

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Speaker 1: Matt mcgloyne. They can win in the first round. They

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Speaker 1: can win if they end up facing a Texans or

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Speaker 1: a Dolphins or something like that. But you know, Matt

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Speaker 1: McLoyd is a guy that they compared to a poor

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Speaker 1: man's Jeff Garcia when he was a rookie, undrafted and

584
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Speaker 1: was thrust into the lineup. When when Terrell prior was

585
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Speaker 1: not what they hoped he would be. So I think

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Speaker 1: there is some talent there and I think that we've

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Speaker 1: seen him preseason. He can make plays. Yeah, I mean they,

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Speaker 1: you know, the coaching staff has confidence and then they've

589
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: talked about you know, he's been around. He knows the

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Speaker 1: system when you don't. You don't have to contract the

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Speaker 1: playbook for him at all. But Derek Carr is an

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Speaker 1: m VP candidate for good reason because he has an

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Speaker 1: incredible I think. I mean, he can make any type

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Speaker 1: of throw and that's a defense that has let up points.

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Speaker 1: He's had to outscore you know, teams and shootouts and

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Speaker 1: he's done it week after week. I think it's I

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Speaker 1: wonder where the team is emotionally. I really do, because

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Speaker 1: I think there was such a crushing type of loss

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Speaker 1: to go a car. But I don't think Matt McLoyd.

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Speaker 1: You're not putting Matt Castle in there, for instance, Well,

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Speaker 1: so we'll find out they can if they can run

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Speaker 1: the ball, they could be It could be just as

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Speaker 1: bad as Matt Castle. Well we've seen yeah, I mean

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00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: he has to could throw the ball to the other

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Speaker 1: the other team, he could be a nightmare as well,

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Speaker 1: we don't know we're gonna get from this. We don't

607
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Speaker 1: have a huge sample size, but I think Matt mcgloyan

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Speaker 1: is not it's not a it's not as desperate as

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Speaker 1: as as it could be with some of the backups

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Speaker 1: around the league. And this is a team that's still

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Speaker 1: they can run the football. I think they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to do that against Denver. That there. Denver's run

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Speaker 1: defense of late has not been that not that been

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Speaker 1: the defense, don't you're used to. I don't think people

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Speaker 1: understand how bad the Broncos runding their ranked twenty nine

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Speaker 1: in the NFL and runne Yeah. Uh. Here's if you're

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Speaker 1: a Raiders fan and you're bummed out and you and

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Speaker 1: you deserve to be after what happened on Christmas Eve.

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Speaker 1: What a crappy gift that was from Santa But in

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Speaker 1: fact we have the poor Derek Carr, who, if you

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Speaker 1: check out um NFL Films, had him wired for sound

622
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Speaker 1: in that game and we have it up on our site.

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Speaker 1: I did. I wrote an end around post about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have you get such a good picture

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Speaker 1: of why this guy is a successful quarterback in terms

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Speaker 1: of leadership, why he likes his team is and his

627
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Speaker 1: his teammates like him, the type of competitive was and

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Speaker 1: then just just a crushing moment when he gets that

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Speaker 1: angle like caught him under him and he suffers the

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Speaker 1: the broken fibula and that we have the sound from

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Speaker 1: the exact moment it happened, which is just a wild scene.

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Speaker 1: It's broke, it's broke, it's broke, it's broke, it's broke,

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Speaker 1: it's broke. I mean, he's yells at six times in

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Speaker 1: a row. It's so it's a sad, sad scene. And

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Speaker 1: I was if you're a Raiders fan and you want

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Speaker 1: to talk yourself into this team making a playoff run,

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Speaker 1: it is this kind of that nobody believes this angle.

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Speaker 1: And if Matt McLean can play a little bit and

639
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: you have a solid team in Khalil Mack and and

640
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: company can raise their game to another level. Maybe this

641
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: becomes some type of rallying cry, but it really it

642
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: does to me. Also put a cap on, put a

643
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: ceiling on what is a really frisky team. It's one

644
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: team that if you were able to retain the by

645
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Speaker 1: that when you have a backup quarterback having to prepare

646
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Speaker 1: that extra week of practice that an extra week of

647
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Speaker 1: preparation could mean a lot. Uh. Let us move on

648
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs, um, I have a lot to

649
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: play for. Uh. They travel to San Diego to face

650
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Mark Sessler and the Chiefs are the team

651
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: that they seem to be Slowly, It's been a two

652
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: year process earning the respect of a lot of people,

653
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Speaker 1: including at least me. I can only speak for myself,

654
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: but they are in a good position here uh to

655
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: to set themselves up well here. Yeah, you can speak

656
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: for me too. I agree. I think I've had a

657
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: I've I've been reluctant to sign up for the Chiefs

658
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: mainly because of their offense. I mean, it's never their defense,

659
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: it's not their coaching, and they're very well coached team,

660
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: but it's their ceiling that always concern me with how

661
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: far do you expect this Chief's team to go with

662
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: the offense they have? But now, and I think that

663
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: that Christmas Night game was such a thunderous effort where

664
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Speaker 1: you see Travis Kelsey operating as one of the best

665
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Speaker 1: tight ends in the league and Tyreek Hill doing things

666
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Speaker 1: in so many different ways. It's the player have not

667
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: had and you look at Alex Smith and since two

668
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: thousand eleven, only Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have more

669
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: wins than Alex Smith. And I think we all know

670
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Speaker 1: what Alex Smith is. But in this formula and this

671
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: current Chiefs world that they're in, I would not be

672
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Speaker 1: surprised a that they win a playoff game and they

673
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Speaker 1: can make it tight with anyone in the a f

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Speaker 1: C Championship. I think it's fair to question their ceiling.

675
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: We have over the past month or two, as you said,

676
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: gradually given them more and more respect. Pointed out Tyreek

677
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: Hill and Travis Kelsey. Do give them the playmakers we've

678
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: been asking for on offense, that their defense has chalked

679
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: full of playmakers, but their ceiling. They got wiped out

680
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: by the Steelers earlier this year, they lost to the

681
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: Patriots in the playoffs last year. Those are the two

682
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: teams that you want to see them beat. Yeah, there,

683
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: they should have no problem with a Chargers team that

684
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: just lost to Cleveland. I mean they lost that. That

685
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: New England loss was too about a touchdown. I think

686
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: last last playoffs there's two different teams. That's a long

687
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: time ago. But I I if you ever gave Kansas

688
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: City home field of image, which they're not going to

689
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: get obviously. I think it's an incredibly tough place to play.

690
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: So I think they win a playoff game and then

691
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: you see from there, strange stuff can happen between now

692
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: and then. Yeah, I agree, I think they they're ceiling

693
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: their ceiling. I think they have a higher ceiling. I

694
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: think they could. I'm starting to talk to myself and

695
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: that they could beat the Patriots, are you They have

696
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: that type of the skill on both sides of the ball,

697
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: and the fact that the offense, like we said, has

698
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: these talented playmakers of it kind of throws It's a

699
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: wild guard when you're talking about the Chiefs. Like my

700
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: question for you though, because you were all in on

701
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: the Raiders, is it almost Chiefs by proxy because you're

702
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: trying to fill another team in there in place of

703
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: the Raiders a little But then that would be once

704
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: again falling into the trap of not respecting the Chiefs,

705
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to give them the respects fact they believe.

706
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: I believe in the Steelers a little bit. I think

707
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: maybe Dave c playoffs you'd be a little more exciting

708
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: a little This is you're just auditioning teams to beat

709
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: the Patriots base. And I'm not alone. There's tens of

710
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: your the football fans that feel the same way. I

711
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: just happened to be in the minority in this room.

712
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for you, like right before the a f

713
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Speaker 1: C Championship game, when you decide that Alex Smith is

714
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Speaker 1: the quarterback you want in a shootout with Tom Brady,

715
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Speaker 1: I'll talk to myself into Uh. One more note about

716
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Speaker 1: this game. Melvin Gordon, who has a hip and a

717
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: hip Sprain and an East Brandon, has no business playing

718
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: in a game that means nothing. Uh and yet and

719
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: as if he's plugged into the the drama behind the

720
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: scenes and of the Around the NFL podcast, he really

721
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: wants to get those last three yards to get to

722
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Speaker 1: one thousand. For whatever reason, averaging exactly sixty yards a

723
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: game means a lot to Melvin Gordon over a sixteen game, uh. Spread.

724
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Speaker 1: So he's practiced the last two days, and we know

725
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: Chris Westling if he reaches one thousand yards. We made

726
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: a promise. I don't know if we said we definitely would,

727
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: but to at least open up the discussion that spice

728
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Speaker 1: rack your desert Consigliari, who gave an unhinge performance and

729
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: his previous all of his spots on the show. But

730
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: we said, if Melvin Gordon rushed for a thousand yards

731
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: or scores twenty touchdowns, he could come back on the show.

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Speaker 1: And it's coming right down to the gun. I think

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Speaker 1: he could be a game time decision. Well, spice Rack

734
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Speaker 1: is connected. Oh my god, I didn't think of it.

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Speaker 1: He has tentacles, he has the long arm of spice Rack.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's he can be a convincing guy. He's

737
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: kind of plugged in. Who knows if he's had connections

738
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Speaker 1: to Melvin Gordon. Just get him, like, all right, Melvin,

739
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: you gotta play, you gotta reach a thousand yards. It's

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00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: very possible desert connections. I wouldn't go that far. I'm

741
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: just saying spice Rack does know some people around the league.

742
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: I mean, Dan, if we've already uh, this podcast has

743
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: already served as motivation for the Detroit Lions organization. Undoubtedly

744
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: they're listening to this that's in and you know we're

745
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: prodding them negatively. Would this be I mean, do you

746
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: doubt that Melvin Gordon is completely plugged in on the

747
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Speaker 1: fact that him rushing for three yards would get spice Rack. Uh,

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned a totally unhinged broadcast type back on

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00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: the show. Wouldn't this be on our first show? Be?

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00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: The ultimate honor would be to find out that he

751
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: wasn't pushing to get back on the field for one

752
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: thousand yards it was because he really liked spice Rack

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00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: on our podcast would be and it would be a

754
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: bizarre honor, but I would yeah, it would We would accept. Then, Hey, Mark,

755
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: you like money? Yes, I do you want some more? Please?

756
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Speaker 1: Well sign up for Mr Flames economics class and the

757
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Speaker 1: Hague the Netherlands for all your economics needs throughout the globe,

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Speaker 1: and that includes the Hague the Netherlands, where his class

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Speaker 1: is based. It it just dawned on me that I

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00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: should have signed up for Mr Flames class. I could

761
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: use a lot of help in this area. So if

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Speaker 1: you need help, you go to Mr f and it'll

763
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: give you help. Well, I mean, we are we are

764
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: ignoring the fact that it would cost thousands of dollars

765
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Speaker 1: to fly from here to the Hague to sign up

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Speaker 1: for a high school class. The Hague the Netherlands. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the Hague the Netherlands thousands of dollars to get there,

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Speaker 1: and then we would have been allowed to sign up

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Speaker 1: for a high school class. Well, I mean, do you

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Speaker 1: even have a visa? Do you have any sort of passport?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's It's not as simple as we make it.

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Speaker 1: Any flying restrictions was not that I believe. Okay, www

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Speaker 1: Dot flame class dot com. Alright, Chris Westling the Dallas Cowboys.

774
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: What a season it's been in Big d Uh. And

775
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: they have everything locked up, but as we just saw

776
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: on Monday night, they don't care if everything is locked up.

777
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: They're gonna whip your ass anyway if they don't like you.

778
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: And now they get the Philadelphia Eagles, an old rival.

779
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: I don't know who to believe when it comes to

780
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 1: how the Dallas Cowboys are approaching this game. Jerry Jones

781
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: is talking about Ezekiel is going to play and play

782
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: a lot, and if he's approaching Eric Dickerson's rookie rookie

783
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: rushing record, we might just let him get it. And meanwhile,

784
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett has Mark Sanchez and Darry McFadden taking most

785
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: of the first team reps and practice leading up to

786
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: this game. I think we're gonna see about one quarter

787
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys starters and then we're gonna turn it

788
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: over to the backups, and Mark Sanchez, not Tony Romo,

789
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: will be the court. I I don't have a problem

790
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: with that decision. The problem what does it mean that?

791
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: Does that just mean they don't want any controversy? Whatso?

792
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: I exactly what it means? You are you have a

793
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: chance to be the first It's getting a little ridiculous

794
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: at Fels. That's a little ridiculous. I I kind of

795
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: disagree because it's the first time in franchise history that

796
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: you can cap fourteen win regular season and some great

797
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: Cowboys teams. Why mess with anything as long as I

798
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: think behind the scenes, if this isn't causing major issues

799
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: with Tony Romo, that you put them in and all

800
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: you're doing is asking finally, these pregame shows, finally some

801
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: of these you know, loudmouths have quieted down about should

802
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: Tony be in or not be in? And why do

803
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: we want to reopen that we don't have to be

804
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: so plugged into what Skip Bayliss is saying. And if

805
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: you really want to go fourteen in two, you don't

806
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: put in the worst back, which is Mark Sanchez, Tony Romo,

807
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: if you really, if if we weren't playing this so

808
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: absurdly safe, you would be saying to yourself, well, Dak

809
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: Prescott obviously the starter, He's had an all pro season,

810
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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl season, but Tony Romo has not taken a

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Speaker 1: single snap all season. In case that gets it's getting ready,

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Speaker 1: Let's get Tony in there, get knockoffs, some rust in

813
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Speaker 1: this game. That doesn't mean it. If this wasn't just

814
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: a such a force, Tony would be playing. Let me

815
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Speaker 1: come out, let me come at you from another angle

816
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: that maybe it looks a little bit disrespectful to have

817
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Speaker 1: Tony Romo mopping up in a meaningless week seventeen games.

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Speaker 1: I can buy that. Maybe keep him out of the fray.

819
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Speaker 1: Now you have him come in a playoff game, that's

820
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: a whole different thing. He can save the day. I

821
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit strange to have this quarterback in

822
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Speaker 1: there mopping up in Week seventeen. This and your Matthew

823
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: Stafford example, for Marcus Mariotta, you were on fire. I

824
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Speaker 1: agree with you, and I think that is that use myself.

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Speaker 1: So you guys, can you know, keep yourself sloppy kisses

826
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Speaker 1: you've got a friend over there and he's made out

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Speaker 1: of paper. Now, I mean you you're playing both sides

828
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Speaker 1: of the fence. You were not. I hadn't. I hadn't

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Speaker 1: thought of that angle. I think Market makes an interesting point.

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Speaker 1: I will except will fire. I will accept the compliment

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Speaker 1: from both of you. Are it just felt a little

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Speaker 1: over the top. I compliments some Mark there. I don't

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00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: give up thoughts often. Maybe I should give him out

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Speaker 1: more often, so you wouldn't celebrate that when I do. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I thought of the point, but

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Speaker 1: once again, not not the right point. Well, I perfectly

837
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Speaker 1: around the horn. You're not handing out points for points.

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00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: It's a perfectly tasteful comment by Wes. So I'll take it.

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Speaker 1: You get the backup in there. You're not going for us.

840
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: But whatever Mark Sanchez is gonna play good for Mark

841
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: Markets to get a ring potentially for doing basically no work.

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00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: So that's what's going on, Philadel talking about that Mark

843
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: or this Mark whoever. All right, you're on fire, buddy,

844
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: all right? You know what? This this turned into something

845
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: very awkward. Now, how many more games are left on

846
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: this late? We got a bunch more Cleveland Pittsburgh Cleveland Browns.

847
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: They got the win that they needed and and with

848
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: the help of a forty Niners victory, still hold that

849
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: uh Number one spot. So now there is no discussion

850
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: about it. And you know, every game matters if you're

851
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: in the league and all that stuff. The Browns do

852
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: not want to win this game. And the good news,

853
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: Mark is that the Pittsburgh Steelers won't allow that to happen.

854
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: Right Well, I believe this was one of the games

855
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: where I was going to ask a huge question, ask

856
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: a huge question. I will because I think we've got

857
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: a lot of time to unpack the Steelers down the road.

858
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: You agree, you agree that the Steelers will win the

859
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: game while we're here, You know, honestly, I think it's

860
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of a The only time Cleveland's had

861
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: luck against Pittsburgh is in these late season games when

862
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: Big Ben has not played for whatever reason. It's happened

863
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I still think that if most

864
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 1: of them, if Pittsburgh's defense is in there, they're gonna

865
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: win this game. It's in Pittsburgh to um So, I

866
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: mean I picked Pittsburgh officially for our NFL Network show

867
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: NFL Pick him West on Saturday three airings? Aren't there? Usually?

868
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: What is an eight thirty in the morning, twelve thirty pm,

869
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: and then one thirty in the a m little saucy,

870
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: get a little crunked up, and then you turn on

871
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: our show. It's a good day too. It's you know, typically,

872
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: oh it's Saturday, let's spend time with family. But I

873
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: I think that the move is to completely ignore family

874
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: and to just lock onto NFL Network all day long

875
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: and catch all three episodes live. Is that that's what

876
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: a real football fan would do? Is it the final

877
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: airing on New Year's Eve at one thirty am? You're

878
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: flying that night? Yeah? You are? Wow, that's a that's

879
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: what if you if you, Oh, should I go to

880
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: a bar? Should I pay for overpriced drinks? Should I

881
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: pay a hundred and fifty dollar cover to go to

882
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: an open bar? No? No, no no, no, no no no

883
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: no no no. Drink some whiskey and you know, I

884
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: have some beers and you know, eat some eat some

885
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: pizza rolls and then you watch you show at one

886
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: thirty and some pizza rolls. Or should I be an

887
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: NFL writer and have a full slate of games facing me?

888
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: The following morning on New Year's Day, paying a cover

889
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: charges a cry for help. Wherever you are is where

890
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: the fun is, not pay money because someone else has

891
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: the fun. Absolutely, Chris wasn't. How about a huge question

892
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: for a huge question, And it's gonna be Brown's oriented

893
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: because they're about to take a big dirt nap into

894
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: the off season. But could these Browns be dim enough

895
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: no matter what happens on Sunday to all right? Well,

896
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: there is a second part to that to even consider

897
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: the option of r G three as their starting quarterback

898
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: where that's how they maneuver with that position. Could they

899
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: possibly be dim enough? You know who said they are? Yeah,

900
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: that's pretty huge. It is a question, you know. You

901
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: know who said that. It's possibility. Joe freaking Thomas. Joe

902
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: Thomas said that if things fall a certain way, he

903
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: could kind of see r G three is the placeholder.

904
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: But I don't know if anyone is. We haven't seen

905
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: anything from r G three. If you're gonna be the

906
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: number one US, if you got the number one pick,

907
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: maybe that's another question. Can I ask a question off

908
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: that at RG three? Okay, you take a quarterback no

909
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: matter what with the first pick if they go into

910
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: next season with r G three and don't draft a quarterback,

911
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: the kid gloves her off, I'm gonna kill them all

912
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: year next year, I'm just gonna absolutely murder this. R

913
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: G three cannot stay healthy for one game in a row.

914
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: I think they have to know that. But I but

915
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: I I'm not sure because certain people in organization feel

916
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: at this point still feel highly about RG three. So

917
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: on the off chance that he does play more than

918
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: three quarters in a game, he doesn't read defenses like

919
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: as Mark said, he just drifts towards the sidelines, waiting

920
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: for a play to happen. The guy has been in

921
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: the league for five years and still can't slide. He's

922
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: a slogan here masquerading as a quarterback. Go make bumper stickers.

923
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: I I think I think there's a better chance he's

924
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: out of the league than starter of the Browns next year. Yeah,

925
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: I agree, I think little. I think that they had to.

926
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: They were intrigued with a chance. But you're gonna have

927
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: You have so many draft picks that you draft a

928
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: number of quarterbacks, and you know one other than Cody

929
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: Kessler in that quarterback whom we will be back next season.

930
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on the Buffalo Bills and New

931
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: York Jets. You know, I said on our Sunday Night

932
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: podcast or Saturday podcast, it was setting up the hot

933
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: butt Bowl. We didn't even get that because Rex didn't

934
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: make it that far. He was fired. And uh, we're

935
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: seeing increasing reports out of New York that Todd Bowls's

936
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: job is most likely safe, which I'm happy to hear,

937
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: but it does ask two. It does lead to a

938
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: huge question tied into both these a f C East rivals,

939
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 1: which is this which organization is in deeper crap right now?

940
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: A huge question? Who is I mean, who's in it

941
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: deeper right now? The Bills are the Jets. When you

942
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: spin forward and beyond, I would today I would have

943
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: to go with the Jets because I think the Jets,

944
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: what they learned this season is that despite their efforts

945
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: to I think put a couple of band aids over

946
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: the roster and think that you can get out of

947
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: it with a productive team, that you found out that

948
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: the rebuilding effort is going to be uh deep there.

949
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: It's going to be gutting. And the Bills have some issues,

950
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: but they also have the chance to hire a coach

951
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: they believe in still make that change, and I think

952
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: there's more talent on Buffalo's roster. I agree. I hate

953
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: to say it because the way the Bills have run

954
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: in the last week or two is a little embarrassing.

955
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: That's part of the real I think that. I I

956
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: agree with that the Bills have a better roster, but

957
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: like you're saying, there's a lot of ugly stuff going

958
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: on in Buffalo right now. Yeah, I don't know how

959
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: what the staying power is with that. But when I

960
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: watched Lashawn McCoy run, looks still looks like a top

961
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: four or five running back to me, when Sammy Watkins

962
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: is healthy, you can see the potential there. They have

963
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: an offensive line that is paving the way for the

964
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: best running back or the statistically the best running game

965
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: in football, and there are some pieces on defense, whereas

966
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: with the Jets, I don't know what they have a quarterback,

967
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what they have a running back. I

968
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: don't know what they have a wide receiver on defense.

969
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: Sheldon Richardson is supposed to be a nucleus player and

970
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: he's going to be out the door. It seems like

971
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: Wilkerson's coming off the worst season of his career, Rivis

972
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: has done. I don't know what you look forward to. Sorry, No,

973
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: I get it, you think, well, I think Mike mccagnan

974
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: he did something that probably in retrospect doesn't work, but

975
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: it almost did. Instead of he was faced with when

976
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: he took over the franchise, do I completely got the

977
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: thing or do I patch it up and and try

978
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: to rebuild on the fly, And also developed talent and

979
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: through the draft. And he almost got to the playoffs

980
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: last year. And I always think that they could have

981
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: been a little sneaky in the dangerous in the playoffs

982
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: last year. It didn't happen, and now they kind of

983
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: then they miss judge the situation, said all right, let's

984
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: try to get a second year out of some of

985
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: these veterans in places. Don't blame him, and it all yeah,

986
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: and it all kind of went to hell and so

987
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: now and that's why I think his job should be

988
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: safe as well. It's like, all right, now, we know

989
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: what we gotta do. We need to build this thing

990
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: from the bottom. We gotta get rid of some bad apples.

991
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: You gotta say goodbye to people like Derrell Rivas, and

992
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: maybe some tough cuts like Nick Mangold and other people

993
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: that clear cap room and really build this team from

994
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: the from the ground up. And that's gonna be a

995
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: lot of work. That's not that's not a fun thing

996
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: for the Jets vander here, but at least you're doing

997
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: it in the more traditional way rather than the band

998
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: aid way which ultimately didn't work, or blowing it up again,

999
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: you know, multiple tie. I like the idea that they're

1000
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: least gonna say, let's try to stick with this and

1001
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: see where we are. Yeah, and the and the as

1002
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: far as the bill is better, better skill player, I mean,

1003
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins ever going to really be a player in

1004
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: this league. I hate what they've done with the quarterback

1005
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 1: position because it felt like they had a potential solution

1006
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: and they're gonna let him go out the door. Although

1007
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: there is some intrigue on Tyrod Taylor report that he

1008
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: now has a quote unquote serious groin injury which could

1009
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: lead to that contract not being avoidable. It's gonna get tricky.

1010
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: It's an ugly situation up there right now. Are we

1011
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: just parroting what the agent says when he calls it

1012
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: a serious groin injury after we saw him actually play

1013
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: games for the past, and I could not agree with

1014
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: you more and lead all quarterbacks and rushing. I don't

1015
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: know if he played his best game that I've ever

1016
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: seen last week, but let's let's move on to the

1017
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: future and someone else I don't know, I didn't. I

1018
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: feel bad for fans of both franchises and put it

1019
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: that way, Well, it's more good news for the New

1020
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: England Patriots exactly. Moving on. The Seattle Seahawks are a

1021
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: team that you're trying to make sense of. They just

1022
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: got beat by the Arizona Cardinals in their building, and

1023
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: and now they faced the San Francisco forty Niners, which

1024
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: should be getting the win. They need Chris westling Um

1025
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: to help fortify and get a playoff by and all that.

1026
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,479
Speaker 1: But still a little worried about the Seattle Seahawks, aren't

1027
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: you a little bit? A little bit? But not in

1028
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: this game. You know you were at this game. They

1029
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: still have that number two seed to play for, and

1030
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: they're gonna be playing at the same time slot as

1031
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,959
Speaker 1: the Falcons. And if you look how they approached last

1032
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: year's regular season finale, blew the absolute doors off. The

1033
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals came in and the Cardinals arrogance store up

1034
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: and down all week. They were playing to win. They

1035
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: were playing to win. He ended up pulling his starters

1036
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: because they were getting their asses kicked so badly by

1037
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: the Seahawks in that game. I think Pete Carroll will

1038
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: have these guys ready to play. The concern is the

1039
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: offensive line that sometimes just matches up so poorly against

1040
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: an opponent's front seven that it just upsets the entire

1041
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: flow of the Seahawks offense. Halftime of last week's game,

1042
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians and two typical Arians fashion tells Pam Oliver,

1043
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: we've been kicking their offensive lines. Asked for three years

1044
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: at halftime of a game, he says, it Arians is back.

1045
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean I I couldn't agree more that whatever their

1046
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: issues are won't affect them in Week seventeen. But this

1047
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: is a team that is tied with the Texans for

1048
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: the lowest amount of touchdowns on the road. If they

1049
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: don't get the number two seed for some reason and

1050
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: they're forced to kind of mind their way through the

1051
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: NFC as road warriors, I don't like their chances. I

1052
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 1: could see them ending the same way that the Cardinals

1053
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: did in Carolina last year, getting romped in the NFC Championship.

1054
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 1: They the offensive line is not something that you're gonna

1055
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: fix between now in the Super Bowl, So they're gonna

1056
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: have to live with that weakness, and that could be

1057
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: a fatal flaw. I think Russell Wilson also, we've been

1058
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: waiting for his health to get back to where it was.

1059
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: Twice last week they had him running a lot of

1060
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: design runs. First of all, with you would make you

1061
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: think he's getting healthier. Twice he could not beat linebacker

1062
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: c O. Moore to the edge in open space any

1063
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: other year of his career he makes that play. He's

1064
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: not what he was. And they're running game besides Russell

1065
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: Wilson is an issue this season. They're tied for twenty

1066
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: second in rushing the hundred yards of game. They were

1067
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: in the top four every year since Russell Wilson came

1068
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,399
Speaker 1: aboard in two thousand twelve. So it's just, I mean,

1069
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: between the running game that being there, we don't know

1070
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: about Russell Wilson's health or al Thomas being out of

1071
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: the picture. They're they're they're up against it a little bit,

1072
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: and and and the other teams in the NFC, which

1073
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: is we're talking Dallas obviously, but Atlanta and Green Bay

1074
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: in the In the Seahawks, you're you don't quite have

1075
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: the defense to say, we're just gonna smother these offenses,

1076
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: and we don't have the offense to to keep up

1077
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: with them. So I just I don't love the dynamic

1078
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: heading into the playoffs for Seattle. Well, I know we

1079
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: we respect their mental toughness, yes, but how much of

1080
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: their mental toughness came from Earl Thomas Marshawn Lynch, who's

1081
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: no longer there. They still have guys that are great players.

1082
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that Lynch and Thomas were everything,

1083
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: but you're taking away two players that were part of

1084
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 1: their championship runts and a good portion of the football

1085
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: COGNISCENTI was booking Patriots Seahawks Super Bowl rematch. Don't forget

1086
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: it was a long time ago now it feels like,

1087
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: but the Seahawks went into New England and won a

1088
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: game in prime time. This game is a proud team

1089
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: with a lot of big time players. Can't count them

1090
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: out entirely, but we'll see what happens. Let's move on

1091
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Saints seven and eight. Capping another I

1092
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: mean I feel like they've gotten seven and eight, seven

1093
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: and nine, eight and eight, nine and seven for about

1094
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: twenties straight years now. But now they travel to the

1095
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: Falcons and and the Falcons listen, there we go tenant five.

1096
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: It's in their hands here. Uh uh? And and West,

1097
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: I know you wrote about it in your top ten

1098
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: m VP candidates. You see, Matt and we talked about

1099
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: it on the show on Tuesday, Matt Ryan, how about

1100
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: put the finishing touches on that m v P resume

1101
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,439
Speaker 1: and roped the Saints and get that get that first

1102
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: round by yeah. I think Matt Ryan needs it because

1103
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: this m v P race is much closer than it

1104
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: should be, and it's really a much needed litmus test

1105
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: for the Falcons defense where they have kept three opponents

1106
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: in a row under twenty points. But those three opponents

1107
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:35,720
Speaker 1: were Jared Goff's Rams, Colin Kappernicks, and Cam Newton's Panthers.

1108
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: And Cam Newton last six games is the third worst

1109
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: completion rate by a quarterback since he's not the Cam

1110
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: Newton of last year. So I don't think you're getting

1111
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: a real test until these Saints come into your building.

1112
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a big game. For that defense.

1113
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: I don't love the matchup for the stakes here having

1114
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: to deal with with with the Saints and Drew Brees

1115
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: for all the I think the Saints ended up in

1116
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: many ways being exactly what we projected, which is a

1117
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: middle of the road team with an electric offense and

1118
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: not enough parts on defense to to to to seal

1119
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: the deal and so but still they're the kind of

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00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: team that could beat anyone any week and I wouldn't

1121
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: be shocked. I I think that the Falcons if I

1122
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: want the best playoff scenario that we can get in

1123
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: the NFC, you want to see them get that by

1124
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: and have a chance to go deal with Dallas in

1125
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: the playoffs in the NFC Championship and they all they

1126
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: have to do is win here. They win this game.

1127
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: If you lose by the way, it's it's not a

1128
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: great look. I mean, I don't expect them too though.

1129
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 1: I think, like you said, the Saints are frisky, especially

1130
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: at home. But Atlanta is playing real well right now

1131
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: and west have you said they they have been consistent

1132
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: all the way through on offense and they kind of

1133
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: make up for the blemishes on defense. Uh they should

1134
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: if they don't take care of business. You're right, it's

1135
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: a very bad sign. But we all think they will. Right.

1136
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: I do what we do. We do two about wehred

1137
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: to use our locks. You want to do a triple

1138
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: lock from you? No, I'm just kidding with a chance

1139
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: to go oh in six. If we get them both wrong, well,

1140
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: if you're repeal a lot, never mind, it doesn't count.

1141
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Let's ask another huge question Chris Westling,

1142
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: the Jaguars and Cults. Uh, nothing to play for here.

1143
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: The Texans locked up the a f C South last week.

1144
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin interviewed with the Jaguars. That's a little news note. Uh.

1145
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 1: And it just feels like that's where that this could

1146
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: be heading that job. But you never know. How about

1147
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: a huge questions? You know? I was all set to

1148
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: ask about the Courts. I even had it written down

1149
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: on this page. But I since you're done with the Colts,

1150
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: probably because you said last week I'm done with the Yeah,

1151
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: so let's not you took them literally. I mean, I

1152
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: don't like that. We've talked about the Colts and awful

1153
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: lot on this podcast for four years. I'm done with

1154
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: him for a little while. Too cool, cool, go go

1155
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: your seven and eight, go, you're seven and nine, disappoint

1156
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: us again? Whatever, don't build your offensive line, don't build

1157
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: your defense. All right, I'm done with you through While Jaguars, look,

1158
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey has been arguably the best cornerback in the

1159
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: NFL and December Telvin Smith is a Pro bowler. Their

1160
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: front seven absolutely demolished a Titans offensive line that's supposed

1161
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: to be one of the best in the league. Do

1162
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 1: they at least have the defense in place last next

1163
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: year for the new coaching staff to come in and contend.

1164
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can fix the quote, is that

1165
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: defense there enormous question? Alert? I think absolutely. And we

1166
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: have to look at going into this season how little

1167
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: these guys had played together that the idea that they

1168
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: were going to gel by the end of September was

1169
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: it was a tall order to begin with. And yeah,

1170
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: I think if you're someone these guys that interview for

1171
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: these jobs, they're so rare that you'd almost take any

1172
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: job that you get. But if you have your pick,

1173
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: if Jacksonville is attractive for one reason, it's there's so

1174
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: many young players on defense and you're starting to already

1175
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: see it's blossomed. This season at the end of the year.

1176
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: Not no help to Gus Bradley. You've got issues on offense.

1177
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: But I do think that the defense is extremely attractive

1178
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: for any qualified candidate. I think the defense is just

1179
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: about there. They're showing it. They've gotten better as the

1180
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: season has gone on. If they end up having one

1181
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 1: of the top three cornerbacks in football that as as

1182
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: a jetsman or every when Rivas was the man that

1183
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: that is such a huge gift to have to build

1184
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: a defense. When you have that guy can lock down

1185
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: half a field. So yeah, I mean, I will say

1186
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: this was because I had written a question too. We

1187
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: worked it out before the show. Mine was also Jaguars

1188
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: they're done? How about this? If the Jaguars do go

1189
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: ahead and and are you okay with me asking a

1190
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: Jags fall? I welcome it. Yeah, this is a great

1191
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: podcast showing by you today. You know you're on fire yourself.

1192
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: West Um. Uh. If the Jacks go ahead and hire

1193
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: an offensive minded coach, which I think would be a

1194
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: huge upset. If they hire a defensive coach after what

1195
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: happened to Us Bradley, Uh, does that guy um go

1196
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: find a new quarterback? Or do you take the new

1197
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: offensive coach and trying to fix Blake Bortles and still

1198
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: stay on the Blake Bortles train. Mark Oh, I don't

1199
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: know what to make of last week with Blake Bortles, because,

1200
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, complicated a little bit. That said, I think

1201
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: what Blake Bortles seems to need, um, if you kind

1202
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: of read what people are saying about Bordles in general,

1203
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 1: is someone to light a fire under him and make

1204
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: it very clear to Blake Bortles that nothing conna be

1205
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: handed to him. That feels right, Yeah, I mean Coughlin,

1206
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: you have to ask call is Coughing gonna be a

1207
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: coach that you're gonna have in there with a very

1208
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: young team for the next seven or eight years. Certainly

1209
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: not so it's almost like a bridge to someone else.

1210
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,440
Speaker 1: But they it's the staff you build around the head coach.

1211
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: There have to be whether it's offensive coordinator, quarterback, coach,

1212
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: whatever you have in there that can communicate with Blake

1213
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: Bortles and wake him up that last week's game was

1214
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: was bizarre and fascinating. Doug Marone emptied out his trick

1215
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: playbook and had misdirection and play action going all day,

1216
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: and Blake Bortles feasted on that. Blake Bortles played well.

1217
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: Talking about lightning a fire. Somebody lit a fire under

1218
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: Allen Robinson who hasn't played with that much zeal all year,

1219
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 1: and he played a phenomenal game. I don't. I think

1220
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: the answer to your question, Dan is you're invested so

1221
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: much in Blake Bortles that you are going, if you're

1222
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: an offensive coach, you are going to try to fix him.

1223
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: You're also gonna bring in a better backup just in

1224
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: case it doesn't work out, because you cannot have one

1225
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: player sinking your entire season like Blake Bortles did this year. Uh,

1226
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Speaker 1: good job, guys, Let's move on more. A huge question time, uh,

1227
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Speaker 1: Mark Cecil, the Chicago Bears, Oh, the team of a

1228
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: t L. The Minnesota Vikings are part of a huge

1229
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: question segment. Uh in seventeen? Very sad? How about a

1230
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: huge question? Mark? Will this be the last game John

1231
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: Fox coaches as a head coach in our lifetime? Or

1232
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: be any hu jerk? I mean there are larger questions

1233
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: in you know, the scope of life. So yes to answer,

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01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: Alex Fragola, it was actually a Chandler being right there.

1235
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: Yes to answer, Chandler tramped all over the friends. Can

1236
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: we hear one more time? Could that question be any

1237
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: you jerk? I said, Frank's give me your best Chandler

1238
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: in a big spot, and what you do? She did

1239
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: a good job anyway you John Fox, he'll be back.

1240
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: Didn't they make you know? They seem to be a

1241
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: little frisky. I like him. They need a better quarterback.

1242
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: This quarterback thing, it's all over the league. Everybody needs

1243
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: a quarterback. But that Barkley. I kind of think the

1244
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: best thing could have happened to the Bears in Week

1245
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: sixteen was Barkley's four interception implosion in the second half.

1246
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: Lest anyone think he's the answer on any level, you're

1247
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna have what what are they? Four and eleven? I

1248
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: don't think anybody beyond the fan level thought that Matt

1249
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: Barkley was okay answer. So that I mean, if anyone

1250
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: was on the fence in that building, now they're not,

1251
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: I would think. But so now you go out and

1252
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: you and you get a quarterback, and I think John Fox,

1253
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: there's another that's of minded coach. But I think they're

1254
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: playing hard for him. I think they've there. I think

1255
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: he's a pretty good coach. I know he's not that

1256
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: popular in this room. Uh in general. We had some

1257
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: fun with the way he was overmatching the Super Bowl

1258
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. But I think Fox deserves

1259
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: to do back. What do you think he never had

1260
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: a chance this year between being stuck with Jake Cutler

1261
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: as your quarterback, which come on that he's not a

1262
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: real answer, and then the injuries on offense. Just you

1263
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: lose Kevin White, you lose part of your offensive line,

1264
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: you lose all Sean Jeffrey to suspension, you lose your

1265
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: running that, you lose your tight end. He never had

1266
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: a chance this year. I think you give him another shot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd agree. I mean, I think the problem is this year,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna go fire someone who is that you're

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Speaker 1: going to bring in that that's out there, that that

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Speaker 1: really excites you and you can market your franchise around

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe McDaniels. Yeah, but there's only one Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think he's gonna go to Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: That's I mean, if he's got his pick, is that

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Speaker 1: the Bears you go to where you've got all these questions,

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Speaker 1: especially at the quarterback positions is everyone if you trade

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01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: for Eastern Illinois Jimmy Garoppolo, right, if this is a

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Speaker 1: it's almost like an any given Sunday final scene where

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Speaker 1: al Pacino takes Jamie Fox with him somewhere. I mean

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Speaker 1: that that's that's one kind of option, kind of like

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Speaker 1: Scott took pop is that even pop culture? It's from

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Speaker 1: literally it's from roughly seventeen years ago. So Scott Bailly

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Speaker 1: took Matt Castle with him to Kansas City. I mean

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Speaker 1: there's some press, uh is there are people this is

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Speaker 1: a little off topic with the whole Josh McDaniels thing.

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01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: Are a little too much assumption that he's going to

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Speaker 1: be hit his second time around. I mean he was

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Speaker 1: kind of a disaster. I think there's an assumption, there's

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Speaker 1: two maybe two much of an assumption that he would

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Speaker 1: leave New England. I would just say this that new

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Speaker 1: the role he has in New England is absolutely uh

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Speaker 1: ideal for him. And he's got a big family and

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Speaker 1: that sometimes factors in. So he's got to be the

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Speaker 1: right the right thing in terms of his success. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you go into a team that doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a functioning quarterback to start. I don't assume that

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Speaker 1: any play caller slash coordinator will automatically be a great

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Speaker 1: head coach. Totally different job, go at that skill. But

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Speaker 1: I do think that Josh McDaniels is a different human

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01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: being now than he was when he landed in Denver.

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Speaker 1: He's learned so much and he's changed in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways. He talked about that before the Patriots Super

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01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: Bowl two years ago, that he did want to be

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Speaker 1: a head coach, but that he grew and he learned

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01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: a lot from that Denver job. These guys have to

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: stop acting like Belichick and be their own man when

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01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: they go out into the coaching If I were in

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01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: the position of being under a hugely successful coach and

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01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: I became a very hot name like Josh McDaniels is

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01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: right now, the number one thing I would do. I

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01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: would never go to a team that had quarterback unrest.

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Speaker 1: That's how I would play. I would find the spot

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Speaker 1: where there's an established star quarterback that's not too old,

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Speaker 1: and that's where I'm going because and even the best

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Speaker 1: most qualified young coach, if you go to Chicago and

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01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 1: you're in quarterback hell, you're gonna get fired. In two

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01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: or three years. The problem is that these vacancies are

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Speaker 1: attached to quarterback. Hell, yeah, you know, it's a tough situation.

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Speaker 1: So truthy balance, you know what? Mark? Yes? Greg, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: Well it's a tricky balance. Do you think that Mark

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01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:08,479
Speaker 1: just made a great point there? This this dude on fine?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there is a tremendous amount, a disturbing amount

1322
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 1: of naval gazing going on in this in this episode,

1323
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 1: the dudes on fire? All right. Finally, the Arizona Cardinals

1324
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: travel to the Colosseum to face the Rams, two disappointing

1325
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: teams in the NFC West this season, So there's only

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01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: one thing to do. Chris Westley ask a huge question,

1327
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: either done with the Colts as of last week? I've

1328
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: been done with the Rams for four years. So this

1329
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 1: is gonna be about the Cardinals. Wore you go on?

1330
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: Is there is there anything more depressing that the Vikings

1331
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: didn't even get the huge question? What a sad end

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Speaker 1: to the season. It's an appropriate end, it is, it is,

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Speaker 1: okay Westcott, I was gonna let Mark answer that question

1334
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: since the Vikings are his team. You know, well they are.

1335
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Speaker 1: I am. I am about four days away from detaching

1336
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: from that dynamic you woge question on the Cardinals, Carson

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01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: Palmer has actually played the best ball of his season

1338
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: over the last month behind a turnstile offensive line with

1339
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: Michael Floyd out of the picture and not much out

1340
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: of John Brown. Have we seen enough from Palmer? And

1341
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 1: if we can get Larry Fitzgerald to come back because

1342
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 1: he's seen enough at a Palmer he fixed that offensive line,

1343
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: the Cardinals can be right back in the playoffs next year.

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Speaker 1: It's almost too big. It's a huge question. It's very

1345
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: big question. Hm. I mean, all you have to do

1346
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: is answer it. I have we seen enough? Have you

1347
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: seen enough? West? And your your tape study in the

1348
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks from Carson Palmer to wipe out

1349
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: the other twelve weeks where he looked like an old

1350
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: poodle peeing on his leg. I never thought that Carson

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01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: Palmer was washed up. I wonder why that sentiment was

1352
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: out there. His arm is as strong as it ever was.

1353
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: He doesn't move as well as he did last year,

1354
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: but he doesn't move like two thousand and fifteen Peyton

1355
01:06:58,120 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 1: Manning either. Never did I think that Carson Palmer was

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Speaker 1: the biggest problem on the Cardinals. I mean, we've just

1357
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Speaker 1: gone through a litany of teams that have issues at

1358
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: that position. So my my move would be to automatically say,

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Speaker 1: with the coach that believes so much in Carson Palmer

1360
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: and Larry Fitzgerald, who doesn't want to have some sort

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Speaker 1: of X factor at quarterback, if you want to get

1362
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Speaker 1: him back, it's got to be tied to a guy trust.

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Speaker 1: So yes, you give it one more shot. I think

1364
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Speaker 1: you do. I think it was such a disappointing season

1365
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: from them, and we we see people like Tom Brady

1366
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: and assume that all late thirties quarterbacks will sustain themselves.

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01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: I could also see Carson Palmer completely falling apart. It

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01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: could be a breat far of two thousand ten types

1369
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: scenario could be that situation too, But I think he's

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Speaker 1: when his ceiling and we've seen enough of positive things

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Speaker 1: this year. You do bring them back, and maybe it

1372
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: ends up being a mistake, but you feel good about Hey,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to give it one less, one more chance,

1374
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Speaker 1: rather than maybe cutting it too soon. I think it

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01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: is time for them too, and I know that they've

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Speaker 1: tried to draft a few quarterbacks here and there to

1377
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: have a contingency plan because as Dan said, I mean

1378
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: the contingency plan maybe coming into action a week eight

1379
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 1: next year. It may not be two thousand eighteen. It's

1380
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: interesting because the last two combines we've been sitting there

1381
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: at the podium listening to Climb and Arians, and they've

1382
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,680
Speaker 1: both mentioned in the last two combines, we need to

1383
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: draft our quarterback of the future. And they went out

1384
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 1: and got Logan Thomas, who's a tight end in a

1385
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: quarterback's body, and cut him. And then they didn't draft

1386
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: anybody last year, but they definitely have to this year.

1387
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: Lar Fitzgerald is the heart and soul that organization. He

1388
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: ain't coming back up. Drew Stanton's quarterback next year. Right,

1389
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Speaker 1: I agree, and I think to the extent that anyone

1390
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: but Tom Brady, he is the heart and soul. All Right,

1391
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Speaker 1: there you go. Weeks seventeen preview. We had our fun.

1392
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Speaker 1: We showed Cletus Cletus. If you're in periscope, one last

1393
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: look at Cletus be where he goes to the big

1394
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: trash can in the sky or the trash can that's

1395
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,800
Speaker 1: right over there on the floor, located on the floor.

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Speaker 1: The next time you hear from us, it will be

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Speaker 1: Sunday night our final recap in the regular season, which

1398
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: makes sense because it is the final week of the

1399
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: regular season. Uh and then it is playoff time. Wow,

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Speaker 1: here we go. So thank you to everybody for listening,

1401
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: thank you for following along on periscope. Thank you to

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01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: cleid Us uh and Greg come back to us because

1403
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: Cletus is getting comfortable in your spot until Sunday. This

1404
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: is Dan Hansas signing up for a quiet storm the

1405
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: mail man, good old Cleadas, a new Monday behind the

1406
01:09:37,000 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: glass to Sunday eight