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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jeffrey longback with us. Full time radiation oncology physician

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Speaker 2: practicing in Kentucky and a prominent researcher of near death experiences.

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Speaker 2: More than twenty five years ago he founded the Near

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Speaker 2: Death Experience Research Foundation and he has never stopped since.

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Speaker 2: A couple of books out got in The Afterlife and

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Speaker 2: Evidence of the Afterlife. Jeffrey, welcome back. Have you been I've.

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Speaker 3: Been fantastic, George. It's certainly a pleasure to be back

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Speaker 3: with you tonight.

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Speaker 2: You have done such a remarkable job in the studies

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Speaker 2: of near death experiences. How did this all start for you?

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Speaker 3: Well, over twenty five years ago I set up the

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Speaker 3: website in their Near Death Experience Research Foundation. I did

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Speaker 3: that not because I was convinced about the reality of

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Speaker 3: near death experiences. I was, actually, if you will, a

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Speaker 3: skeptic at that time. I wanted to study the original

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Speaker 3: source of information, that being people that actually had these

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Speaker 3: amazing experiences and find out for myself that burning question

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Speaker 3: our near death experiences for real? Well, George, after four

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Speaker 3: thousand near death experiences that have been shared on my website,

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Speaker 3: the largest scientific study ever conducted, I've concluded near death

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Speaker 3: experiences are, in a word, real, and we'll have a

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Speaker 3: lot to talk about that tonight.

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Speaker 2: Did it take you a long time though, to get

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Speaker 2: to that belief?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: Interestingly, I'd only got the first several dozens shared with

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Speaker 3: me all those twenty five years ago, and I was

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Speaker 3: astonished there. Over and over, I saw these remarkable consistencies

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Speaker 3: in experiences, and I knew as a doctor that people

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Speaker 3: that are unconscious are clinically dead. You shouldn't be having

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Speaker 3: such remarkably consistent experiences. They were nothing like dreams, nothing

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Speaker 3: like hallucinations. Here, they were these consistent themes scene that

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Speaker 3: occurs so consistently in thousands of near death experiences, the

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Speaker 3: deeper consistent messages over and over, so very quickly I

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Speaker 3: realized there's something going on. I will have to say,

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Speaker 3: in all honesty, George, it's taken me years and years

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Speaker 3: after that study to fine tune what those messages are,

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Speaker 3: what those consistencies are.

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Speaker 4: And then wow, after that.

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Speaker 3: As I'd learned more and more as time went on,

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Speaker 3: my near death experience studies became even more exciting.

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Speaker 2: Well, you one of the giants in the field, Jeffrey,

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Speaker 2: and thank god we've got you out there doing what

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Speaker 2: you do.

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Speaker 3: It's really a pleasure. It's really absolutely amazing to me

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Speaker 3: as a physician and a researcher studying over four thousand

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Speaker 3: near death experiences, to come to the awareness it's just

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Speaker 3: how significant near death experiences are. And it's not George,

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Speaker 3: just for the people that had the near death experiences.

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Speaker 3: These profound, deep messages and what they mean are really

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Speaker 3: highly relevant and highly meaningful for people worldwide, in each

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Speaker 3: and every one of the listeners.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey, how would you define a near death experience?

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Speaker 3: Well, no, two near death experiences are the same, but

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Speaker 3: if you look at the large number I have, you

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Speaker 3: see a consistency. I define them as exactly what the

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Speaker 3: phrase says near death. In other words, you're so physically compromised,

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Speaker 3: you're unconscious or at that time maybe clinically dead, no heartbeat.

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Speaker 3: That's certainly near death. So at that time when you

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Speaker 3: should have no conscious memory at all, people do and

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Speaker 3: that's the experience part of a near death experience, so

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Speaker 3: often described as a out of body experience, consciousness apart

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Speaker 3: from the body, tunnel, life review, encountering deceased loved ones,

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Speaker 3: overwhelming piece of love, all those trimmings that go with

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Speaker 3: the experience part of a near death experience.

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Speaker 2: When people have these near death experiences, do they all

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Speaker 2: come back with similar stories?

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly they come back with no two alike, but yes,

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Speaker 3: absolutely not just me, but other researchers find very remarkably

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Speaker 3: similar events that occur during a near death experience, and

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Speaker 3: typically in a very consistent order. That consciousness apart from

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Speaker 3: a common next event that occurs, they may see a beautiful, bright,

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Speaker 3: an unearthly, beautiful realm often called a heavenly realm, quite appropriately.

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Speaker 3: So there may be buildings, landscapes to ceazed loved ones

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Speaker 3: at that time, George Amazingly, even though they had a

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Speaker 3: at that time, almost paradoxically, they're feeling overwhelming sense of peace,

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Speaker 3: of love, of connection with others, and then they may

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Speaker 3: encounter again deceased loved ones, including pets, interestingly beautiful descriptions

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Speaker 3: So yeah, over and over we hear this literally what

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Speaker 3: I just shared there times thousands.

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Speaker 2: How do we know it's not the brain playing some

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Speaker 3: That is a critical question that I asked myself at

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Speaker 3: the very dawn of my research. Well, one of the

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Speaker 3: strongest lines of evidence is that out of body experience

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Speaker 3: a physical traumatic event, accident, injury, illness, with the first

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Speaker 3: part of a near death experience, that consciousness typically above

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Speaker 3: the body, seeing ongoing earthly events. What is amazing is

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Speaker 3: that what they observe, even though their physical bodies unconscious,

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Speaker 3: again people frantically trying to resuscitate them. They see details

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Speaker 3: may observe ongoing earthly events that are geographically far from

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Speaker 3: and yet times the hundreds, when people go back and

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Speaker 3: carefully review what they saw in that out of body experience,

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Speaker 3: finest details. That's absolutely medically inexplicable and absolutely beyond any

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Speaker 3: possible physical brain function. That's only one of well over

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Speaker 3: a dozen powerful lines of evidence that near death experiences

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Speaker 2: Are you still adding to your database?

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Speaker 4: We sure are.

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Speaker 3: The websites de inderf dot org, and there's a very

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Speaker 3: detailed survey there that's really been, if you will, my

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Speaker 3: second full time job. Almost every other day we get

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Speaker 3: new experiences, we review them very carefully, we categorize those

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Speaker 3: that are near death experiences, and we post them back

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Speaker 3: up on the website. All of this is free for

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Speaker 3: those that have the courage and want to take the

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Speaker 3: time to share their experiences, and it's really an ongoing

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Speaker 3: joy to share these amazing experiences back with the world.

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Speaker 3: In fact, our website is posted in over thirty different languages,

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Speaker 3: so literally people worldwide can almost certainly find dozens and dozens,

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Speaker 3: or certainly in English, thousands of these near death experiences

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Speaker 2: What are some of the similarities in the NDEs that

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Speaker 2: would convince you that this is a real deal.

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Speaker 4: Sure, I'm a physician.

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Speaker 3: I know full well what hallucinations are like, because I've

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Speaker 3: worked with patients that have that. Near death experiences are

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Speaker 3: nothing like hallucinations. Ditto for dreams. In my earliest survey

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Speaker 4: Dream like in any way, And oh my.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, George, did I get an overwhelming feedback from that. No,

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Speaker 4: And finally, are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: That was actually one of the great motivators for me

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Speaker 3: I did of people having a near death experience. Nothing

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Speaker 3: like hallucinogenic drugs. What occurs during a near death experience?

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Speaker 3: So what I did observe circling back to answer your

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Speaker 3: Near death experiencers and what happened to them to convince

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Speaker 3: that out of body experience is real. We had people

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Speaker 3: describing highly visual near death experiences. They had a life review,

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Speaker 3: forgotten those memories. Joyous reunions virtually always the people they

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Speaker 3: near death experiences are the real thing.

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey tell us the episode of Vicky.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm glad you brought that up.

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Speaker 3: That is about of thousands of near death experiences, I

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Speaker 3: most amazing near death experience I've encountered, it would be Vicky.

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Speaker 4: You know, George.

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Speaker 3: What was really one of the most interesting things Vicky

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Speaker 3: Absolutely no way Vicky could have had that experience through

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Speaker 2: Does every ND Jeffrey consist of an out of body experience.

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Speaker 3: Actually yes, they're always existing as consciousness apart from the body,

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Speaker 3: because again their physical body is by my definition of

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Speaker 3: There's no awareness, there's no processing information around you. So

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Speaker 3: all near death experiences have a experience that is apart

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Speaker 3: Only about forty five percent of people having a near

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Speaker 3: percent boom, are immediately into an unearthly beautiful realm or

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Speaker 2: I've heard stories where maybe the doctor in the emergency

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Speaker 2: the attendants are with him, and he's kind of making

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Speaker 2: at this guy, boy is he ugly or something like that,

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Speaker 2: and the near death experiencer is out of the body

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Speaker 4: George is a doctor.

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Speaker 3: That's hilarious because I've heard scores of accounts like that.

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Speaker 3: You really need to be careful when you're a doctor,

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Speaker 3: we've had not only Oh, it's amazing the stories, you know.

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Speaker 4: I need to get a collection of those.

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Speaker 3: Doctors will often say funny things about their appearance or

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Speaker 3: circumstances of that accident or injury. Even more commonly, George,

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Speaker 3: are doctors or other healthcare staff being unprofessional. They may

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Speaker 3: be laughing inappropriately, They may be telling I hate to

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Speaker 3: say it, but I'll say it off color jokes or

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Speaker 3: is crazy stuff just while they're sitting here literally working

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Speaker 3: commonly occur, well fairly commonly occurs if the patient likes

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Speaker 3: in the operating room and codes their heart stops unexpectedly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's panic in the room, and then there

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Speaker 3: can be unprofessional behavior. And I'm embarrassed to say it

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Speaker 3: as a doctor, but it is most commonly the doctor

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Speaker 3: isn't immediately available, And yeah, we hear that over and over,

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Speaker 3: but yeah, it's really drives home vividly at the point

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Speaker 3: that all doctors need to hear. When you're with a

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Speaker 3: for goodness sake, stay professionals, stay focused, otherwise you're going

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Speaker 3: to say something hilarious and that'll be broadcast all over

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Speaker 3: shows like Coast to Coast.

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Speaker 2: AM Absolutely absolutely, is there a point in the near

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Speaker 2: the person back? I mean, why don't they end up dying,

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Speaker 2: why do they come back?

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Speaker 3: The great question. Often at the end of the near

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Speaker 3: death experience, there's generally other entities with them. These are

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Speaker 3: almost always described as beautiful, loving entities. They may be humanoid,

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Speaker 3: they may just be a light. They may be not

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Speaker 3: so not at all unusual in that unearthly often called

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Speaker 3: at the end of the near death experience, and there's

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Speaker 3: even though the person having the near death experience, all

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Speaker 3: they can recall for their whole earthly life for years

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Speaker 3: with others, all those physical cares and life threatening events

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Speaker 3: earthly body or staying in that unearthly realm, which means

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Speaker 3: they are permanently, irreversibly dead. The great majority of people

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Speaker 3: having a near death experience do not want to return

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Speaker 3: when people think about often their children, relationships, things they

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Speaker 4: The decision may then be made. Sent back. Now.

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Speaker 3: I want to emphasize for most near death experienceers, boom,

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Speaker 3: they're sent back involuntarily or recover involuntarily. But a very

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Speaker 3: common thing, and interestingly, some research that I have that's

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Speaker 3: percent of near death experiences all across the world, across

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Speaker 3: all cultures and all languages, about ten percent of near

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Speaker 3: death experiences, at that critical moment of decision, they're told

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Speaker 3: language to the effect of it's not your time, yet,

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Speaker 3: you have more to do. Your time is not up.

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Speaker 3: So almost always without being given specific instructions and hearing

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Speaker 3: that very general statement, and yet the statement implying how

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Speaker 3: meaningful their earthly life is, boom, they go back into

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