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Speaker 1: the WNBA Finals. Some of us simply hoping our teams

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Speaker 1: we can think about and talk about right now, Christina Williams.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, I'm Jack O'Brien and.

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Speaker 2: I'm producer Jabbari in for Miles, and.

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Speaker 1: This is Miles Sometimes story got MGS.

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Speaker 1: Short time. Christina, thank you so much for taking time

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Speaker 1: away from the finals. I know this is a probably

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Speaker 1: award winning w NBA reporter, host of In case you

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Speaker 1: missed it with Christina Williams for iHeart. Is that the

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Speaker 1: name of a network? Yeah? Okay, iHeart I've heard of them,

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Speaker 1: but everybody should go check out her latest episode with

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Speaker 1: the legend Sue Bird.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but first w NBA Finals tied one one, absolute classic,

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Speaker 1: We were racking our brain before just has there been

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Speaker 4: I can't really think of a more dramatic play, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Fortney Williams.

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Speaker 4: Is a dog though she's been playing super clutch for

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Speaker 4: the Minnesota Links in the playoffs so far. You mentioned

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Speaker 4: that four point play in Game one of the WNBA

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Speaker 4: She's really that engine that's been keeping that team, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just NonStop. Just it feels. Yeah, the type of

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, she's one of the best mid

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Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken. Wasn't that like a fifteen point game?

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Speaker 4: I was at Barclays Center, and I literally looked down

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Speaker 4: the game went into overtime, and we know how the

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I was super surprised. Yeah, I think a

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Speaker 1: I just rewatched that play in the context of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so one thing, let's just go big picture here

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Speaker 1: I mean, we love Katelyn Clark.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's it's kind of a beautiful thing to watch

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Speaker 4: She's projected to be the number one pick next year

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Speaker 2: a roster space. You know, they sent Jaylen McDaniels in

432
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Speaker 2: a second round pick as well as cast considerations to

433
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,880
Speaker 2: San Antonio for what is going to come out as

434
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty five second round pick via Chicago. In

435
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: that deal, it opens up flexibility and it makes me wonder,

436
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 2: is this is this a signal for another move down

437
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: the line?

438
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: Yeah? So what do they need to address? Do you

439
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: think because they got point guard, do they need more shooting?

440
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: Where are we at?

441
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 3: So?

442
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you can there's not a team out there

443
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 2: that couldn't use more shooting if we're being honest, And

444
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: you know, you look at a guy like whether it's

445
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's an interchangeable guy like forward like

446
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 2: Who's or like a Cam Johnson or a Dorian Phinney Smith,

447
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 2: And while all of those guys bring different things to

448
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: the table, I think you get the most bang for

449
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: your buck out of a guy like Cam Johnson. Admittedly

450
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,639
Speaker 2: I want my Lakers to go ahead and be and

451
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: be in pursuit of him, but ultimately I do not

452
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: think that's going to take place. If I'm the Kings,

453
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 2: I probably am looking to bring a guy like that

454
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: in mm hmm.

455
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if I'm the Sixers, I would also be

456
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: looking to bring a guy like that in I love

457
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: Cam Johnson.

458
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: You wouldn't be upset about it.

459
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be ang I'd say, okay, we'll take you,

460
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: Cam Johnson. Why you come over here in Kilda, come

461
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: join the mix. And then Lonzo Ball set to return

462
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: to action tomorrow versus the Timberwolves after there were questions

463
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: about whether he would ever make it back. Hasn't played

464
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: a game since twenty one, twenty two, but still just

465
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: twenty six years old. So we'll be good to see

466
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: him back out there for sure, because he's he's a

467
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch and everybody plays better when

468
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: he's out there, so it's it's going to be interesting.

469
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: He's a glue guy, like this is the thing, you know,

470
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: when the Lakers picked him, and they picked him specifically

471
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 2: over guys like the Iarn Fox and several other players

472
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: that have obviously had you know, better careers or you know,

473
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: you know, had more success in their careers to this stage,

474
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: you know, a lot was made. But I think, well,

475
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: I think as the basketball loving audience, we kind of

476
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: overcorrected because like it went from Okay, it might not

477
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: have been the best pick too, oh god, it's the

478
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: worst pick. And then suddenly, over the next couple of years,

479
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 2: Lonzo showed like, no, he actually has a very unique

480
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 2: but of very effective, you know, NBA skill set for

481
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 2: a guy that has been injured. You know, as many

482
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 2: times as he's been you you alluded to it. I honestly,

483
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: I didn't say it out loud. I didn't think we

484
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: would see him again. I thought once they said he

485
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: had like that third surgery and still was not comfortable

486
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: on that leg, I figured, Okay, well that sucks, Like

487
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: you know, it's just going to be one of those

488
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: cautionnary tales. But I'm very hopeful for him, and as

489
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 2: everything is centered around the Lakers, I'm hopeful that the

490
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: Lakers could find a way to bring him in. Man,

491
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: you're going to notice the trend here.

492
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: So you took him second, We took Markel Faults first

493
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: in Philly, and I still stand by that call. Did

494
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: we trade away to avoid picking Jason Tatum? We did,

495
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 1: and again I stand by that decision. I think history

496
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: will say that that was the right move. Jason Tatum

497
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: Number three, dream Fox number five, marketing number seven, Donovan

498
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: Mitchell number thirteen, Bam out of bio.

499
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: Everyone, every single where.

500
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Speaker 1: Alan, come on, man, I don't I don't love it anyways,

501
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: welcome back. Yeah yeah, but Alonzo at least could have

502
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: been a real difference maker if he had been able

503
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: to stay healthy. All right, let's uh, let's take a

504
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 1: quick break to weep quietly, and then we'll come back

505
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: and we'll play a little game called better than fifty

506
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: percent chance or worse than fifty percent chance. And we're

507
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: back and Zach three, huh. We got to get to

508
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: the rapid fire around a questioning for each other. Just

509
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 1: just a shootout, go back and forth, all right, better

510
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: than fifty chance, less than fifty percent chance, more likely

511
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: than not, or not likely than more. No, whatever, just

512
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: is it? You named it correctly? A job. Jamar Wemby

513
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: is a first time All Star. Just to reiterate, he

514
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: went four twenty one point four points, ten point six boards,

515
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: three point nine as siss, three point six blocks on

516
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 1: forty six point five percent shooting from the floor, thirty

517
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: two and a half from three eighty percent from the

518
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: free throw line. Like that's he should have been an

519
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: All Star.

520
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: That's already incredible.

521
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's already an All Star. A rookie, that's a rookie.

522
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So I'm going over fifty on this one.

523
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: You can book this one. This is this will take place.

524
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: Check also makes the All Star League. Check put up

525
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: fifteen seven two point three blocks on much better shooting

526
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: percentage is for fifty three percent from the floor, thirty

527
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 1: seven from three to seventy nine from the stripe. Definitely

528
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: had to take fewer shots, could be a little bit

529
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: more selective than Wemby, But I don't know that he

530
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: gets there this time. I'd put this like in the forties.

531
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: I put it like at a good three point shooters percentage.

532
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: I hear you on that. But the only reason why

533
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 2: I would say there's a possibility is because oftentimes, if

534
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 2: you have the best seam in the league or the

535
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: best record in the league, they're going to make sure

536
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 2: you get at least two All Stars to shake a point.

537
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: So Shay is a given. I mean, who knows if

538
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: Jay Dubb takes another leap and he steps into that

539
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: secondary role. But if I'm having to bet, I think

540
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: I still I'm taking it. I think I'm still taking

541
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: it over fifty percent because I think they are going

542
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: to be good. I think they are going to have

543
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: a great record, and I think he's going to know

544
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 2: even if it's a slight improvement, I think it's going

545
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: to continue to improve on the numbers that you put.

546
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: Up, all right, better than fifty percent chance, worse than

547
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: fifty percent chance. This is the year where Mark el

548
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: Foltz makes people recognize the seventy six ers were right

549
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: to take him over Jason Tatum.

550
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to check something in real time because

551
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: I'm pretty in the league. I don't think he's on

552
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: a roster right now. Markl faults Mark el Fults. It

553
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: says who last played in Orlando is not currently on

554
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: a roster. So I'm gonna say I'm gonna take the

555
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: under on that one. Even though I would like like in.

556
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: The forties, I'd like to be in the thirties, all right.

557
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: Kid Cunningham plays himself into an All Star spot with

558
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: new leadership supporting cast around him. He's played in just

559
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: seventy four games of the last two seasons, but, and

560
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: this is important, he has looked really good in three

561
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: of his four preseason games. Three of his four preseason games. Jabari,

562
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: what are you doing?

563
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: When I put that note in there? I was smiling,

564
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: s I typed, D look, so here here's the quiet part.

565
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: I haven't been able to discuss it over his last

566
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: two years. I am a Kaid Cunningham fan. I'm a

567
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: Kide Cunningham fan. I think he is the goods. I

568
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: think he has that type of game. But the trouble is,

569
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if I believe in Detroit enough, even

570
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: though I recognize new coaching staff, you know, like all together,

571
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: you know, shout out to Jami Bickerstaff, you know, new

572
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: roster surrounding him altogether. So do I think he's going

573
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 2: to play well enough to be in the conversation ensured?

574
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: He's going to absolutely get there? You know, possibly not

575
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: because it's a it's a season flux.

576
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean we said he played seventy four

577
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: games of the last two seasons. He played sixty two

578
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, so he he got his games then,

579
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: granted it was a historically bad team, but he put

580
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: up twenty two points, shot forty five, thirty five from three.

581
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: You know, he seven point five assists. I don't know, man,

582
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem wildly unlikely. I can see him doing it.

583
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: What do we think? We think the new look, new culture.

584
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: We think Detroit culture, Piston's culture Israel.

585
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: I think he at least have to try. You know,

586
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: it was reported it JB. Bigger Staff. He plans to

587
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: create a new culture. You know, he's like kind of

588
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: wanting the more professional approach. It seems. Who knows how

589
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: those athletes will respond to it. But I think if

590
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: you're him, you at least have to make the effort

591
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: because the way things have been going there the last

592
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 2: few years, and this is you know, not necessarily just

593
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: on the you know, the previous coach uh you know,

594
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: shout out to you know, shout out to money.

595
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: You know.

596
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: I hope he is enjoying his riches in fullness, but

597
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: the reality is this, you know, this this organization has

598
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: been spiraling. Maybe this isn't you know, step in the

599
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 2: right direction. It would be awesome if they could you know,

600
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: turn it around and win thirty plus games and kind

601
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 2: of re establish things there.

602
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: He would love to see it.

603
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: I would.

604
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,479
Speaker 1: We've got a couple of people that were saying, this

605
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: is their prove it year, Okay. Ben Simmons fifty chance

606
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: greater than fifty chance that he is on a roster

607
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: next year.

608
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: I think it's a greater than fifty percent chance he's

609
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: on a roster. I don't know how many games he's

610
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: going to be playing. And this, this is I swear

611
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: to you. I mentioned it earlier. I'm not trying to

612
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: file on him. I want Ben Simmons to be, you know,

613
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: to play well and to at least just be in

614
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: the mix. But I can't trust that, you know, given

615
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: what we've seen over the last few years, I can't

616
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: take that bet. It's like the old school Survivor commercials.

617
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: I can't take that right.

618
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: Jack Yeah, and then Jaw, which we are intentionally putting

619
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: him in the same category as Ben Simmons to give

620
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: him a bulletin board material, Ja moran, is he gonna

621
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: do it?

622
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: So this is the thing. I don't know if you

623
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: saw this, like I don't remember, I don't even remember

624
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: the outlet, but shout out to them. They put you know,

625
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: a recent conversation was centered around breakout, like you know,

626
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: like you know, like you guys that are gonna break out,

627
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: and they had Jaw on the graphic and Jaw actually

628
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: responded to it and said like, hey, you know, respectfully,

629
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be on this, while he should not have

630
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: been on that. I do think this is a proven

631
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: year for him. We can be honest. He's been hurt.

632
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: He's also had other reasons why he's been getting out

633
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,479
Speaker 2: of the lineup. This is year six for him. I

634
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: honestly think this Grizzlies team is probably the probably the

635
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: best that he's been on. We once everybody, you know,

636
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: falls into their role, so I would like to see them.

637
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: I would like to see what they look like this year.

638
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: I want to see him dunking all over everybody again,

639
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: and I want to see that, you know, I want

640
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: to see what they do, you know, as a unit.

641
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he stays healthy, I think there's a really

642
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: good chance that we have some amazing jaw moments and

643
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: that the Grizzlies making noise. It's just, you know, he's

644
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: a small body who is jumping at heights that we've

645
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: never seen an MP player jump, So it'll be interesting.

646
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 1: Edie has looked good in the preseason. Oh yeah, So

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited for this team. I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be watching some league pass Grizzlies games for sure.

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Speaker 2: You know what, let me ask you that, who are

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Speaker 2: some of your league pass team because they're one of

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Speaker 2: mine as well.

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Speaker 1: So you got your Memphis, you got your Wemby. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I want to see Orlando this year.

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Speaker 1: I want to see how that all looks. The Knicks

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Speaker 1: are gonna be on all the time, so I don't

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Speaker 1: have to put them in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seems like, okay, so you'll be on all the

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Speaker 2: time as well, you know, so we'll Denver.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know, those will probably be my teams.

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Speaker 1: Who else? Who am I missing? Houston is going to

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Speaker 1: be interesting.

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Speaker 2: There you go. Houston is the one for me because again,

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Speaker 2: I like their top line talent, I like the guys

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Speaker 2: they have, like in support, I'm still questioning. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: they got a bunch of younger guys and then they

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Speaker 2: got you know, some actual vets that have had you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, deep runs and I have a ton of experience. Well, yes,

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Speaker 2: it's good to have a mix which what's going to

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Speaker 2: be the direction of the team. So like that's kind

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Speaker 2: of what I'm looking you know, who's taking over, you

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Speaker 2: know for the bulk of it. Is it going to

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Speaker 2: be a Shane Goon lead offense. Is it going to

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Speaker 2: be a Jalen Green lead offense? Are we going to

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Speaker 2: see more fragman, you know what I mean? Like there's

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Speaker 2: all types of questions there, so I'm intrigued.

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Speaker 1: I'm also going to be checking for the box because

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Speaker 1: that's just could go either direction. But I want to

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Speaker 1: see it succeed. I love Dame, I love Yiannis. That

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Speaker 1: was really fun when they won the title.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: And also Phoenix, I'm curious to see how that looks.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like they changed enough pieces for it

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Speaker 1: to like suddenly be night and day from where they

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Speaker 1: were last year. But we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Let me throw let me throw this out there about Phoenix.

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Speaker 2: That's an excellent point people. You said I was going

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Speaker 2: overboard a couple of years back when I said Clayton

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Speaker 2: needed to come off the bench. When you know when

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Speaker 2: you came back healthy for Golden State. If Phoenix is

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Speaker 2: going to be serious, I think they need to balance

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Speaker 2: things out by having Brad Buel come off the bench

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Speaker 2: and manned that second unit. For one, you would you

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Speaker 2: would immediately put him in six mant of year conversations.

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Speaker 2: It would kind of balance things a little bit more

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Speaker 2: for them. I say all that to say this is

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Speaker 2: what they should do, but I highly doubt they do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't think he like just it

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel like it. It would make sense, like given

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Speaker 1: who he is, right like, I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 1: like he doesn't feel like the guy who's like going

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Speaker 1: to lead that team and just be like yeah, now

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a role player. He's not going to do

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Speaker 1: what Devin Booker did for the Olympics team, you know.

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Speaker 2: Or you know what, like say what lamar Odin did

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Speaker 2: when Phil Jackson decided like hey, yeah, like I can

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Speaker 2: actually utili.

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Speaker 1: This could be a weapon.

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Speaker 2: Yes, could be a weapon, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would I would like to see it, but let's

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Speaker 1: let's try it out. Speaking of Clay, there was a

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Speaker 1: great little graphic where somebody did a split screen of

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Speaker 1: Tim Hardaway Junior and Clay and said you killed the

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Speaker 1: man on the Tim Hardaway Junior side, but not the

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Speaker 1: idea on the Clay side. Uh. And that was messed up.

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Speaker 2: Disrespectful and you know what respect And I'm sure Tim

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Speaker 2: Hardaway Junior fans would be like or you know, his

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Speaker 2: family would be like, what do you mean disrespectful? But

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Speaker 2: y'all know that y'all know exactly what I mean.

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, no, diss not That's not what Dallas

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Speaker 1: fans are looking for. Also, man, man, I might be

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Speaker 1: having to watch some of these Golden State Warriors. Fam

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Speaker 1: Have you seen this guy Steph Curry? Like I can

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Speaker 1: shoot the rock, you can shoot the dang rock.

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Speaker 2: I think he's got a future.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we're going to do one rapid fire because

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Speaker 1: it's just the two of the two of us. We're

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Speaker 1: playing pickup hoops. We did presidents a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Last week, we did actors. This year it's musicians. We

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Speaker 1: just got the first pick and took my favorite rapper,

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Speaker 1: Alan Iverson in his prime. Unfortunately, we immediately instituted a

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Speaker 1: rule that says nobody else is allowed to draft anybody

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Speaker 1: who has ever played professional basketball. And you are on

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Speaker 1: the clock, who are you taking next? It can be

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Speaker 1: any musician.

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Speaker 2: That is a very convenient rule.

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Speaker 1: It works out well for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to steal the pre show answer because Brian.

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Speaker 2: I think it was Brian that brought it up. You

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Speaker 2: are absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this would have worked for actor to give me

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Speaker 1: the late great Prince Prince shoot it, yeah, Charlie Murphy era,

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Speaker 1: and we got Prince.

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Speaker 2: Is gonna cross Ai up like Ai cross Jordan up

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Speaker 2: at the free.

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Speaker 1: Thom Now, I just changed the rules back and I

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Speaker 1: got Shaq, who got my second favorite rapper Shack?

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Speaker 2: All right? All right? Prime Kareem Abdul Jabbar, all right.

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Speaker 1: I like Shaq and Iverson together. I feel like they

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Speaker 1: would have been pretty good. But yeah, no, Prince Prince

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be pretty good too, So I think

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Speaker 1: I won that one. Uh that is gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for us this week? It's almost time. What's got you

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Speaker 1: most excited? If you had to name one player, what's

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Speaker 1: the player that's got you most excited right now?

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Speaker 2: It's Wimby. And I know that's cliche and left that

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Speaker 2: was the answer going in the last season.

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Speaker 1: Because it's the correct answer.

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Speaker 2: That's the answer. And believe me, I'm We're a lot

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Speaker 2: of things. But second year Winby and seeing if the

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Speaker 2: trajectory continues along the line that I think is going

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Speaker 2: to By the way, remember you asked me this last

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Speaker 2: year how long it would take for him to be

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Speaker 2: the best player in the league, And I said twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six, and then I came back and I amended

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Speaker 2: that and said twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, here we are, twenty twenty five. Do you

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be the second half of the season.

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Speaker 2: Second half of this season, if you know, if he continues,

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Speaker 2: I think he's not going to be universally called the

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Speaker 2: best player in the league. But we're we're gonna look

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Speaker 2: back and say, like, man, he was, he was already there.

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Speaker 2: He was there, he was already there.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it? Jabari, where can people

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Speaker 1: find you?

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Speaker 2: At? Jabari A. Davis on Twitter? What about you?

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