WEBVTT - The ‘Oklahoma!’ Haze

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember the first time I saw the musical Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't remember not knowing the words to the

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<v Speaker 1>opening song. There's a bright golden haze on the meadow.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a bright golden haze on the meadow. The corn

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<v Speaker 1>is as high as an elephant.

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<v Speaker 2>Sigh, and it looks like it's climbing clear up to

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<v Speaker 2>the sky. Oh what a beautiful burning, Oh what a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful day. I've got a beautiful feeling. Everything's going my way.

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<v Speaker 1>Chokema sostrepho at Amanda Cob Greatham, Chickasha sayah, my name

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<v Speaker 1>is Amanda Cob Greatham. I'm a Chickasauce citizen. I am

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<v Speaker 1>a professor of Native American Studies at the University of Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am very much from this born and raised

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<v Speaker 1>in southern Oklahoma and the Chickasaw Nation.

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<v Speaker 3>The song of Amanda's childhood is called Oh What a

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<v Speaker 3>Beautiful Morning, and it's the opening number to Richard Rogers

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<v Speaker 3>and Oscar Hammerstein's classic American musical Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 1>An interesting aspect to me of Oklahoma's mythology is the

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<v Speaker 1>extent to which it is relatively unquestioned. The whole idea

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<v Speaker 1>of there being a bright golden haze on this meadow.

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<v Speaker 1>This is something that is both highlighted but also obscured.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a haze you can't necessarily see clearly, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>designed to make you feel something, but not necessarily to

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<v Speaker 1>be clear about what that is.

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<v Speaker 3>Amanda's writing a book about all this, about the gaps

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<v Speaker 3>between myths and the state's actual history. Oklahoma the musical

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<v Speaker 3>is front and center. She's calling her book right Golden

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<v Speaker 3>Haze Oklahoma, Indian identity in myth and memory.

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<v Speaker 1>Public history and memory combined. This is what we collectively

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<v Speaker 1>agree our history to be. You have specific stories that

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<v Speaker 1>are generally based on some fact, but then they take

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<v Speaker 1>a turn and start to turn into the world of

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<v Speaker 1>legend mythology. They work past that.

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<v Speaker 3>Amanda argues that one of those stories is Oklahoma, and

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<v Speaker 3>that it's been able to work past fact and history

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<v Speaker 3>partly because it's got all the makings of the type

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<v Speaker 3>of story that dominates American mythology, of the West.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the coming to a new place, overcoming the odds,

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<v Speaker 1>people pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, of the building

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<v Speaker 1>of something out of nothing, a perceived nothing, a perceived empty,

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<v Speaker 1>vast planes or vast wilderness. It's the getting of the

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<v Speaker 1>song Oklahoma itself.

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<v Speaker 3>The massively famous title song of the musical.

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<v Speaker 1>It couldn't be a better time to start in life.

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<v Speaker 4>It ain't too early, and it ain't too late, starting.

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<v Speaker 1>As a farmer with a brand new wife.

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<v Speaker 5>So living in a brand new state.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a version of the ultimate American story.

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<v Speaker 3>This ultimate American story sits alongside some other big and

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<v Speaker 3>pretty romantic ideas about westward expansion in the US, the

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<v Speaker 3>taming of the land, a vision of not just Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 3>but the American West and the country itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Something sort of idyllic, edenic, if you will, like, here

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<v Speaker 1>is this perfect place, this perfect, pure and untouched place, which,

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<v Speaker 1>of course it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>The musical's vision of Oklahoma. This romantic vision is really

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<v Speaker 3>at odds with the histories we've been telling you, the

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<v Speaker 3>forced removal of Native people in the eighteen hundreds, government

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<v Speaker 3>policies that took land so white settlers could get it.

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<v Speaker 3>The musical is set in nineteen oh six, the year

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<v Speaker 3>before Oklahoma became a state. In reality, that land was

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<v Speaker 3>far from empty, far from an untouched eden. Amanda cob

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<v Speaker 3>grief them remembers the first time this all started to

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<v Speaker 3>dawn on her. She was in middle school in the

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<v Speaker 3>audience with the musical she loved being performed for the

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<v Speaker 3>state's seventy fifth anniversary.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when so many different schools, community theaters, production

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<v Speaker 1>groups were doing the musical Oklahoma as part of their

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<v Speaker 1>celebration year, right, And I remember, you know, seeing it

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<v Speaker 1>again and standing and listening to it and clapping your

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<v Speaker 1>hands and all of those things, and then thinking, why

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<v Speaker 1>is it that there are no Indians in this musical?

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<v Speaker 1>How is it that this show is just bright white?

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<v Speaker 3>How is that possible?

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing when and where this takes.

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<v Speaker 3>Place, Amanda is still grappling with that question. How musical

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<v Speaker 3>that she has really fond memories of from state celebrations,

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<v Speaker 3>school performances, her dad singing it on car trips, could

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<v Speaker 3>be obscuring something so much darker. How it could skip

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<v Speaker 3>over a big part of the state's real history. How

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<v Speaker 3>it could make something violent the era of native land

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<v Speaker 3>being taken swiftly, brutally, seem warm and fuzzy, bright and golden.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Alison Errera and this isn't trust. If you haven't

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<v Speaker 3>seen Oklahoma the musical, you've probably at least heard of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It dominates imagery of the state. But back before it

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<v Speaker 3>was a smashing success.

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<v Speaker 1>Stories of OKI's and the grapes of Wrath dominated the

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<v Speaker 1>national narrative about.

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<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma the dust Bowl. The depression. Times in Oklahoma were hard,

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<v Speaker 3>and people around the country knew that.

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<v Speaker 1>And Oki was a dirty word, and all of Oklahoma's

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<v Speaker 1>were represented as sad and ignorant and destitute.

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<v Speaker 3>But then in the nineteen forties, the musical Oklahoma came along.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so popular and its story, in all of

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<v Speaker 1>its golden glow and nostalgia, was far more persistent.

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<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma is a story about cowboys and farmers living in

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<v Speaker 3>a territory just before statehood. It takes place around the

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<v Speaker 3>turn of the century, when there were deep divine over land.

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<v Speaker 1>Things are changing. There is discussion about prairies closing up,

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<v Speaker 1>frontiers closing up. There's more offences than there used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>There's contentious relations between the cowboy and the farmer, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's all the background. The story itself hinges on a romance.

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<v Speaker 3>Between Laurie, a farmer's daughter, and Curly, a cowboy. There's

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<v Speaker 3>also a sprinkle of violence, but in the end.

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<v Speaker 5>It makes you feel good. It's a very heartwarming story

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<v Speaker 5>about simple folk in the Southwest in a kind of

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<v Speaker 5>pastoral world that is idyllic, as are many pastoral worlds.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Tim Carter. He's a musicologist at the University

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<v Speaker 3>of North Carolina. His book is called Oklahoma, The Making

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<v Speaker 3>of an American Musical. He spent years researching, writing, and

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<v Speaker 3>just thinking about this musical, and Tim says that when

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<v Speaker 3>it hit Broadway, no one really understood how big it

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<v Speaker 3>would be.

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<v Speaker 5>I think when Rogers and Hammerstein started out, they didn't

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<v Speaker 5>think they were going to produce this great success that

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<v Speaker 5>was going to have such massive implications both for Broadway

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<v Speaker 5>and more broadly. But by some magic, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was enormously and incredibly popular. It had a record number

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<v Speaker 1>twy two hundred and twelve performances on Broadway, and.

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<v Speaker 5>It became the longest running musical on Broadway of its time.

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<v Speaker 3>It was such a big deal. Tim says some of

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<v Speaker 3>this success was a matter of timing. Oklahoma arrived at

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<v Speaker 3>a big moment.

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<v Speaker 5>It was performed in nineteen forty three on Broadway, so

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<v Speaker 5>a very crucial time, banging in the middle of World

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<v Speaker 5>War Two. So clearly there was a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 5>propaganda there if you like that needed to go on

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<v Speaker 5>here about belonging to the land that was grand along

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<v Speaker 5>with and making people realize that there were things worth

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<v Speaker 5>fighting for in the middle of World War two, at

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<v Speaker 5>a time when the World War wasn't going so well

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<v Speaker 5>for the Allies, and it was the job of Broadway

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<v Speaker 5>and of the arts in general to try and make

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<v Speaker 5>a contribution to the war effort.

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<v Speaker 3>New York was a big transit point for members of

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<v Speaker 3>the Armed Forces before going to Europe. Service members often

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<v Speaker 3>got a chance to go to a Yankees game or

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<v Speaker 3>a show. Imagine you're about to ship off overseas and

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<v Speaker 3>go fight against Hitler's army.

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<v Speaker 5>Goodness knows whether you're going to come back or not, and.

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<v Speaker 3>You find yourself in the heart of Times Square, in

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<v Speaker 3>a seat on Broadway, and.

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<v Speaker 5>You hears a group on the stage singing, we know

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<v Speaker 5>we belonged to the land, and the land we belonged

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<v Speaker 5>to is At that point it has to be a

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<v Speaker 5>powerful memory. It becomes a question of identity and keeping

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<v Speaker 5>that identity in your mind as you're going through the

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<v Speaker 5>horrors of warfare.

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<v Speaker 3>And for many the message hit home.

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<v Speaker 5>I was talking about Oklahoma once to a retirement community,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was doing my usual talk about the staging

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<v Speaker 5>of Oklahoma, the theater guild and so on, and there

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<v Speaker 5>was an elderly gentleman in the front row who started crying.

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<v Speaker 5>And I went up to him afterwards and I said, oh, sir,

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<v Speaker 5>I hope I didn't upset you or offend you or

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<v Speaker 5>anything like that. And he said to me, no, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 5>I was crying because I was there. And I said,

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<v Speaker 5>what do you mean I was there? He said, I

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<v Speaker 5>was there in nineteen forty three when I was in

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<v Speaker 5>transit to go to Europe to fight at the front,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was one of those people who actually heard

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<v Speaker 5>and saw Oklahoma. And at that point I thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>my goodness, it was a very powerful memory on his part,

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<v Speaker 5>very powerful memory.

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<v Speaker 3>Following World War Two, the musical only became more ingrained

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<v Speaker 3>into American identity.

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<v Speaker 1>It traveled all over the world as part of America's

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<v Speaker 1>post World War two Cold War cultural efforts, and year.

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<v Speaker 3>After year, decade after decade, it seeped into American culture.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been performed on the big screen where.

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<v Speaker 4>The wind comes sweeping down the plane.

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<v Speaker 3>High schools, in community theaters, grade schools, choirs and back

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<v Speaker 3>on Broadway. Amanda says it told a story that many

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<v Speaker 3>Americans wanted to believe in.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really easy to use as a tool to

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<v Speaker 1>make people feel good about being Americans right, and good

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<v Speaker 1>about the stories of our origin of frontier history on

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<v Speaker 1>the prairie. But that's not actually what would have been

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<v Speaker 1>happening in history at that moment.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's go back to what was actually happening here before.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the state of Oklahoma, when this land was

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<v Speaker 3>called Indian Territory.

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<v Speaker 1>Which was carved out and set aside by policymakers in

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<v Speaker 1>order to house tribes who were forcibly removed on the

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<v Speaker 1>Trail of Tears.

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<v Speaker 3>The Cherokee, Chickasaw, Quapa, and other tribal nations gave up

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<v Speaker 3>their ancestral homelands in exchange for new treaty homelands assigned

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<v Speaker 3>in Indian Territory, and there was a promise that this

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<v Speaker 3>would be Indian land, land that would never be made

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<v Speaker 3>to be part of any state. The federal government opened

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<v Speaker 3>Indian Territory in the eighteen thirties, and almost immediately, non

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<v Speaker 3>native people around the country tried to figure out how

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<v Speaker 3>to get this land out of Native hands and so

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<v Speaker 3>over decades, the government made laws and policies inside new

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<v Speaker 3>treaties with tribal nations that chipped away at Native land.

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<v Speaker 3>Tribes were even pushed out of some two million acres

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<v Speaker 3>of land around what's now Oklahoma City. This was called

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<v Speaker 3>the Unassigned Lands. The Battle to Settle those Unassigned Lands.

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<v Speaker 3>It was one of the first big steps toward Oklahoma statehood.

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<v Speaker 3>That story starts with a group called the Boomers.

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<v Speaker 1>The history of Boomers has very much been erased.

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<v Speaker 3>And it all comes to a head in the late

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen seventies with men like David Paine.

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<v Speaker 1>David Payne was the founder of what he called the

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma Colony. They saw themselves as colonists, and he would

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<v Speaker 1>get people to join together with him as fellow colonists,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they would lead raids into Indian territory, into

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<v Speaker 1>the Unassigned Lands.

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<v Speaker 3>Amandasa's Pain knew it was against federal law to intrude there,

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<v Speaker 3>and that federal marshals would come in and kick out

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<v Speaker 3>his followers.

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<v Speaker 1>This was purposeful, both the raids to settle and also

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<v Speaker 1>the desire to be ushered out.

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<v Speaker 3>Pain lit a violent campaign against Native people in the

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<v Speaker 3>Unassigned Lands. He made a lot of noise around the

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<v Speaker 3>country too. He and his followers, who called themselves Boomers,

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<v Speaker 3>began a national media campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>To paint themselves as victims. How can there be any

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<v Speaker 1>land left in the United States upon which the white

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<v Speaker 1>man cannot go? And that was a very successful media campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>And one way to make that work was of course,

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<v Speaker 1>to go in, start to settle, and be ushered out

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<v Speaker 1>to have standoffs with the federal marshals.

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<v Speaker 3>The Boomer movement picked up a lot of support from cattlemen, farmers, speculators, businessmen,

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<v Speaker 3>and politicians. They all had interests in undoing federal laws

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<v Speaker 3>that protected Indian territory. Shouldn't they have the right to

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<v Speaker 3>this land too? That was the argument and pain and

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<v Speaker 3>the Boomers won out, and.

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<v Speaker 1>What it culminated in was the opening of the Unassigned Lands.

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<v Speaker 3>In eighteen eighty nine, President Benjamin Harrison declared sections of

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<v Speaker 3>Indian Territory open for settlement. Within weeks, tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 3>of people arrived at the outskirts of Indian Territory ready

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<v Speaker 3>to rush in and claim one hundred and sixty acres.

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<v Speaker 1>April the twenty second, eighteen eighty nine, the day of

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<v Speaker 1>the first largest and most glorified land run.

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<v Speaker 3>The land run, a rush to stake out so called

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<v Speaker 3>free land.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, freeland never came at such great a cost.

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<v Speaker 3>There was more more than one land run, but the

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<v Speaker 3>one Amanda's talking about is the most remembered picture. This

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<v Speaker 3>hundreds of men on horseback, schooners, others on foot, women,

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<v Speaker 3>children lined up. They were waiting for the sound of

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<v Speaker 3>a cannon and then they'd take off, doing whatever it

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<v Speaker 3>took to stay claim to this land. Some people went

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<v Speaker 3>in ahead of that starting gun to get the best plots.

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<v Speaker 3>Cheaters basically, but history likes to call them the sooners,

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<v Speaker 3>so that's the quick version. The US promised land to

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<v Speaker 3>tribes who were forced here. That land was chipped away,

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<v Speaker 3>and in spite of the promises made to indigenous people,

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<v Speaker 3>eventually this place became a state, Oklahoma. But when it

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<v Speaker 3>all gets remembered now, it's usually celebratory. There are the

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<v Speaker 3>enactments of land runs at state celebrations and in grade

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<v Speaker 3>school where kids get to go outside and pretend to

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<v Speaker 3>lay clean to plots on a playground. There's a big

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<v Speaker 3>land run monument in Oklahoma City. And if you're a

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<v Speaker 3>college football fan, then you probably know about the University

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<v Speaker 3>of Oklahoma where Amanda teaches.

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<v Speaker 1>We are right here on the campus of the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Oklahoma, well known for its football team, the mascot

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<v Speaker 1>the Sooners. Who then when there is a touchdown, what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>A land run reenactment.

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<v Speaker 3>Happens every home game touchdown, a stadium full of people, cheer,

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<v Speaker 3>shotguns go off. Two horses named Boomer and Sooner lead

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<v Speaker 3>a covered wagon onto the football field and race around

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<v Speaker 3>the stadium. But in all those versions of this history,

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<v Speaker 3>there's something missing from the football cheer, the land run monument.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the same thing Amanda noticed was missing from the

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<v Speaker 3>music Native people. It's in a mission that's hurtful. In

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<v Speaker 3>those school land run reenactments I mentioned, Native children have

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<v Speaker 3>had to take part two for decades, reenacting an event

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<v Speaker 3>that drove their own ancestors off their land. The reason

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<v Speaker 3>we're going on about what happened in Indian Territory is

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<v Speaker 3>that this it's the history of Oklahoma, a history that

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<v Speaker 3>didn't make it into the musical, and that a mission.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of surprising once you consider where Rogers and

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<v Speaker 3>Hammerstein got the idea for their musical They didn't come

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<v Speaker 3>up with the story themselves. It came from someone else,

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<v Speaker 3>someone who was no stranger to the state's actual history.

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<v Speaker 3>Rogers and Hammerstein based Oklahoma on a play written a

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<v Speaker 3>decade earlier by a playwright who was born in Indian

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<v Speaker 3>Territory within the Cherokee Nation, and though the musical took

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<v Speaker 3>place in the Oklahoma territory, the original story before Rogers

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<v Speaker 3>and Hammerstein changed it took place in Indian Territory. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's really a clean way to understand

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<v Speaker 1>musical Oklahoma without going back to that. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>both a play written by Roley Lynn Riggs, Cherokee citizen,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are the people that he knew.

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<v Speaker 3>Lynn Riggs was a lot of things for someone born

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<v Speaker 3>in Indian Territory in eighteen ninety nine. He was gay,

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<v Speaker 3>a playwright, he loved writing letters and poems, and he

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<v Speaker 3>was mixed race, being Cherokee from his mother's side.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born pre statehood, but then would have been

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<v Speaker 1>raised in the young state of Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 3>Amanda cop Greetham says that Riggs knew the complexity of

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<v Speaker 3>this place. It was his neighbor's story, his family story,

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<v Speaker 3>his story.

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<v Speaker 1>He often called himself haunted by Home.

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<v Speaker 3>We wanted to highlight some of his letters with a voice.

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<v Speaker 6>I can't make and drama or poetry. The quality of

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<v Speaker 6>a night storm in Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 3>Home, Oklahoma was everywhere in Riggs's letters and plays, with.

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<v Speaker 6>A frightened farmer and his family fleeing across the money

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<v Speaker 6>yard to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Cellar he lived in New York, he lived abroad, He wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>He found himself writing over and over again about people

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<v Speaker 1>that he knew, the characters that he knew, the cadence

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<v Speaker 1>of their speech, the things that they talked about, the

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<v Speaker 1>songs that they sang.

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<v Speaker 6>When a son and his wife stumbled drunkly into his

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<v Speaker 6>mother's house, the words that came out of brazen, tortured throats,

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<v Speaker 6>the murderer's hands threads.

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<v Speaker 1>When he says haunted, I think he meant it. This

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<v Speaker 1>was something that both tortured him in some ways, but

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<v Speaker 1>that he had great love and affection for.

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<v Speaker 3>Riggs wrote a lot of plays, but his best known

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<v Speaker 3>work was called Green Grove the Lilacs. That's the play

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<v Speaker 3>that became Oklahoma. As Riggs described it, the play is

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<v Speaker 3>about a vanishing era in the Midwest, filled with characters

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<v Speaker 3>he knew in places he'd been.

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<v Speaker 6>The reason I continue to write about Oklahoma people is

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<v Speaker 6>that I know more about the people in childhood and

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<v Speaker 6>youth than any other. But it so happens that I

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<v Speaker 6>knew mostly the dark ones, the unprivileged ones, the ones

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<v Speaker 6>with the most desolate fields, the most dismal skies. And

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<v Speaker 6>so it isn't a surprise that my plays concerned themselves

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<v Speaker 6>with poor farmers, forlorn wives, tortured youth, plowhands, peddlers, criminals,

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<v Speaker 6>with all the range of folk victimized by brutality, ignorance, superstition,

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<v Speaker 6>and dread.

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<v Speaker 3>Riggs started to play in nineteen twenty nine. In his letters,

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<v Speaker 3>he said it was going to be something new, a

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<v Speaker 3>drama intercut with American folk songs. Folk music was important

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<v Speaker 3>to Riggs because it was important to the place he

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<v Speaker 3>was from. One of the songs people sang there was

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<v Speaker 3>called Green Grove the Lilacs, Green.

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<v Speaker 4>Brold, Lilac Soul Spot, Glenn with the dew, I'm lone

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<v Speaker 4>with a dollon cents of Lodon with the year, and

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<v Speaker 4>by the next meeting.

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<v Speaker 3>Riggs finished Green Grow the Lilacs in nineteen thirty one.

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<v Speaker 3>It had a run on Broadway and played sixty four shows.

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<v Speaker 3>When Rogers and Hammerstein decided to use his play as

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<v Speaker 3>the basis for Oklahoma, they acknowledged how great the story

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<v Speaker 3>already was. In an interview with The New York Times,

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<v Speaker 3>Hammerstein said, quote, give credit where credit is due. Mister

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<v Speaker 3>Riggs's play is the wellspring of almost all that is

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<v Speaker 3>good in Oklahoma. I kept most of the lines of

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<v Speaker 3>the original play without making any changes in them, for

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<v Speaker 3>the simple reason that they could not be improved upon,

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<v Speaker 3>at least not by me. Riggs got royalties two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty dollars a week for life, but just eleven

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<v Speaker 3>years after Oklahoma premiered on Broadway Way, Riggs died of cancer.

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<v Speaker 3>Both stage versions of Riggs's stories center on the romance

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<v Speaker 3>between Laurie and Curly. Both versions have a surly farmhand

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<v Speaker 3>who comes between them. In Riggs's play, he's called Jeter.

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<v Speaker 3>In Oklahoma, he's Judd. Riggs even bases a character on

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<v Speaker 3>his Aunt Mary. She becomes Aunt Eller in both shows.

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<v Speaker 3>You've had eighty years to see this, so we're not

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<v Speaker 3>gonna worry about spoilers. In both versions, Curly asks Laurie

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<v Speaker 3>to marry him, Jud's jealous. There's a struggle. Curly allegedly

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<v Speaker 3>kills Judd or Jeter. This sets up the final tension,

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<v Speaker 3>will Curly go to jail or will he go free

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<v Speaker 3>to live happily ever after with Laurie. So much of

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<v Speaker 3>the two shows is near identical, but one of the

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<v Speaker 3>big changes between the two is how they end. Near

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<v Speaker 3>the very end of Riggs's play, Curly and Laurie get married.

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<v Speaker 3>Curly gets sent to jail for killing Jeter, but he

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<v Speaker 3>busts back out to come back to see his new wife.

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<v Speaker 3>The drama hits its peak when a posse of neighbors

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<v Speaker 3>show up to haul Curly back to jail. What are you?

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<v Speaker 3>He's a plow perminal he is breaking.

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<v Speaker 5>Out of jail.

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<v Speaker 3>Was away at Eller accuses the neighbors of trying to

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<v Speaker 3>take Curly from his bride. But what's key is she

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<v Speaker 3>accuses them of siding with the Federal Marshal of the

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<v Speaker 3>United States. The way she's talking, the US isn't her

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<v Speaker 3>government but a foreign government in States, just foreign country?

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<v Speaker 4>Is me ye?

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<v Speaker 3>Poor and the mob, well, they're from Indian Territory. People

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<v Speaker 3>like Rigs And just a quick note, some of the

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<v Speaker 3>language Riggs wrote nearly one hundred years ago, might be

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<v Speaker 3>offensive today.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm having one in territory.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll plump fullman and myself me too, but I can

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<v Speaker 3>aunt Eller shoes the mob away. Curly stays with his

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<v Speaker 3>bride Laurie, before the posse comes to take him away

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<v Speaker 3>in the morning. Just before the curtain falls, Curly singing

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<v Speaker 3>a condemned cowboy with a guitar. As endings go, it's

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<v Speaker 3>pretty unresolved, ambiguous, all in keeping with Riggs's world of hardship,

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<v Speaker 3>clashes and complicated underdogs in Indian Territory. Here's Amanda cop

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<v Speaker 3>greatham So.

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<v Speaker 1>Although the Rogers and Hammerstein interpreted the musical itself as

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<v Speaker 1>Holy White, in reality this is a play about Native Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>It is actually probably an all Native American play or musical.

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<v Speaker 1>And when then Green Girl the Lilacs was then sort

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<v Speaker 1>of taken and turned into the Rogers and Hammerston extravaganza,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that it became well that context didn't move

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<v Speaker 1>with it.

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<v Speaker 3>By the time the story returned to Broadway in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>forty three as Oklahoma, it was a new kind of

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<v Speaker 3>musical theater. Singing and dancing wasn't just used to divide scenes.

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<v Speaker 3>They drove the story forward, and that story was lighter

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<v Speaker 3>and easier to digest. That meant Riggs's ending had to go.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no place in the new show for a

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<v Speaker 3>quiet wedding, a jail break, and a curtain coming down

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<v Speaker 3>on a mournful cowboy, so Rogers and Hammerstein tweaked the ending.

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<v Speaker 3>Tim Carter says, the big famous title song was actually

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<v Speaker 3>a big happy accident.

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<v Speaker 5>Rogerson Haberstein couldn't really figure out how to bring the

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<v Speaker 5>show to its end. Okay, if we can't solve it dramatically,

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<v Speaker 5>let's stick a song in there and hope for the best.

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<v Speaker 3>Curley doesn't go to jail, he gets to Mary Laurie.

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<v Speaker 3>So the ending had to become a celebration. So they

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<v Speaker 3>jumped to a wedding party for Laurie and Curly, a

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<v Speaker 3>song sung by the whole cast, a dance number with

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<v Speaker 3>Farmers and Cowman, where a wedding party morphs into something else,

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<v Speaker 3>something political.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't see the wedding. Instead, they sing a song

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<v Speaker 1>about statehood, brand new state, brand new state, gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Treat you great.

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<v Speaker 1>So to me what you have? You have this romance

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<v Speaker 1>that really is standing in as a metaphor for statehood.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, of course, that made the show a hit. It

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<v Speaker 5>also gave the Oklahoma side to the show Oklahoma, a

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<v Speaker 5>much greater prominence. But then, of course, the song took

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<v Speaker 5>on a life of its own.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the story that premiered on Broadway in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of World War Two, a musical that builds to

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<v Speaker 3>a rousing song that would become one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 3>hits of the twentieth century. Since nineteen forty three, this

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 3>musical has had a lot of power. It's become a

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<v Speaker 3>blueprint for Broadway shows with big singing and dancing, but

0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 3>it's also become so much more. Its closing number was

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<v Speaker 3>quickly adopted as Oklahoma State Song and still is seventy

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<v Speaker 3>years later. Oklahoma the Musical is fundamental to how many

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:37.159
<v Speaker 3>people in America and around the world think about Oklahoma,

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 3>the state, and the American story itself, the expanding West, pioneers, settlers,

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<v Speaker 3>and cowboys. It's bright and golden, and as Amanda cap

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<v Speaker 3>Greatham says, hazy, what's missing from this version of Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 3>is the place where Lynn Riggs grew up, a place

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<v Speaker 3>called Claremore within the boundaries of Indian territory, a whole

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 3>backstory of Native Pole who were pushed aside by white settlers.

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<v Speaker 3>A story for the collective memory that leaves out the

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<v Speaker 3>most painful parts.

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<v Speaker 1>Cultural memory that which a collective or a nation chooses

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<v Speaker 1>to remember together. That's the process by which we negotiate

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<v Speaker 1>what's included, what's excluded, what events we assign meaning to,

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>and what meanings we assign to them. That's what cultural

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 1>memory is for, to bind people together. Got to remember.

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 1>The other half of memory is forgetting those go hand

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<v Speaker 1>in hand.

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<v Speaker 3>I asked Amanda how she feels about the land Run

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<v Speaker 3>Sooner football games or Oklahoma the musical. I have.

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<v Speaker 1>Collapped and yelled Boomer Sooner at football games. I ran

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>the land Run as a kid. At the end of

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.680
<v Speaker 1>the music Loklahoma, when they're singing it, everybody in this

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 1>state anyway stands up and clap your hands. And I

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>admit these things freely because I'm not ashamed of my

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 1>participation in it. Here's the thing, though, what is it

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<v Speaker 1>obscuring when you start to ask yourself that, When you

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<v Speaker 1>ask yourself, wait, are we all included in this identity?

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<v Speaker 1>It's as if the state of Oklahoma thinks that if

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<v Speaker 1>you just sing this song loud enough that you won't

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<v Speaker 1>be able to hear anything else. And that's just almost true,

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<v Speaker 1>but it isn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Amanda also says there's something important to keep in mind

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<v Speaker 3>about the stories that take hold in our memories. It's

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<v Speaker 3>that they can change. New ones can come in and

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<v Speaker 3>help redefine our sense of our history, add voices we

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<v Speaker 3>haven't been hearing from. There's always room for a new

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<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma story to take hold, maybe a big movie or

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<v Speaker 3>a TV show like Reservation Dogs that can help recalibrate

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<v Speaker 3>that cultural memory and make room for voices that have

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<v Speaker 3>been missing, a voice like Lynn Riggs and a story

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<v Speaker 3>like Green Grow the Lilacs.

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<v Speaker 6>The play is concerned with the more golden day and

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<v Speaker 6>Oka golden in the sense that the people I'm writing

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<v Speaker 6>about were magnificently adapted to their environment, party vigorous gay

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<v Speaker 6>people and their lives being rounded and buried were full

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<v Speaker 6>of unpredictable choices.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, let's embrace the complexity of history. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a different, hopefully a golden future out there somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Won't be perfect, but it need not be hazy.

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<v Speaker 3>For more about the show, go to bloomberg dot Com

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<v Speaker 3>slash in Trust In Trust is a production of Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 3>and iHeartMedia. This episode was hosted by me Alison Erera

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<v Speaker 3>and it was reported by Victor Eves. Rachel Adams, Hurt

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<v Speaker 3>and I did additional reporting. Victor Eveyas is our senior producer.

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