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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.

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Speaker 1: Never told you a protection of iHeartRadio. And here we

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Speaker 1: come to the end of our season one. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say I'm already gonna say it, of our last of

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Speaker 1: US mini series. We'll be back. Oh yes, yo, I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited. All right, this one is the big one,

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Speaker 1: the big boy, as my friend Katie describes the Bloaters.

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Speaker 1: Because today we are talking about the finale, I have

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Speaker 1: a lot to say. I've been agonizing over it. Oh my,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be all over the place, but it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be fun. And this outline has been prepared since day one. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think I might have even done it before i'd

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Speaker 1: don't think you did, because we didn't know for sure

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Speaker 1: we were going to do this until episode one, that

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Speaker 1: is true, And I am going to talk about some

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Speaker 1: of the stuff I alluded to in that episode before

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Speaker 1: I knew we were going to do this. But I

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Speaker 1: think sometimes I just make outlines with the hope that

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Speaker 1: one day I'll get to talk about it. And this

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Speaker 1: is something I have a lot to say about, So

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Speaker 1: do a lot of people. So it's going to be

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Speaker 1: doing my outlines I just randomly, don't you I do.

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Speaker 1: So there will be spoilers for all nine episodes of

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Speaker 1: the Last of Us HBO Max series. The finale aired

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Speaker 1: on March twelfth, so if you haven't watched it yet,

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Speaker 1: put a pause, go and do it. They are not sponsors,

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Speaker 1: which is a mistakes. It's just tryvasty, just like the

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Speaker 1: one that happened in this episode. So this is something

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Speaker 1: that thanks to Samantha and her encouragement, we just decided

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Speaker 1: to do where a week after the most recent episode

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Speaker 1: comes out, we react to we recap to it and

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Speaker 1: react to it. And it has been replacing my Happy hours,

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Speaker 1: so that's bi weekly thing. I know, our schedule is

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Speaker 1: a bit of a mess. It comes to that one

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. Yes, but this is the final one, so well,

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Speaker 1: you will be returning to our regular schedule, I think,

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Speaker 1: maybe with more Last of Us content disguise this happy hour. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like to do that. Yeah. So we are talking about

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Speaker 1: mainly the finale in this one, which was called Look

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Speaker 1: for the Lights, which is the title is a mirror

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Speaker 1: of the first episode when You're Lost in the darkness

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Speaker 1: with the title was the title of that one. Let

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Speaker 1: just look for the light. Because we have come full circle,

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Speaker 1: you can see our upcoming episode on Marlene, who is

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Speaker 1: very pivotal in this episode. It will have spoilers as well,

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Speaker 1: if you don't mind season two slash Game two spoilers

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Speaker 1: because they've announced season two and three. I believe the

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Speaker 1: episode we did on Women in Survival Horror has more

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Speaker 1: on some of the stuff I'm going to talk about,

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Speaker 1: probably put more eloquently because this is just kind of

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Speaker 1: me throwing thoughts and an outline. So also the episode

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Speaker 1: we did on Allie, but that one will spoil everything

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Speaker 1: for you, so I wouldn't recommend it if you don't

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Speaker 1: want any spoilers, but if you, if you do, it's

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Speaker 1: available to you. Yes, content horning for this one. Suicidality,

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Speaker 1: brief mention of that, violence particularly like child endangement perhaps,

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Speaker 1: Samantha is always for hosting these watch parties at your

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Speaker 1: your home. It was great, it was fun. The last

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Speaker 1: She brought decorations like it did freak decorations. I was

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Speaker 1: All right? So it's a short episode, but it has

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Speaker 1: of controversies who is that during the interview. I knew

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Speaker 1: At the same time, we see a clicker or a zombie.

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Speaker 1: So they run in and she is having an epic battle.

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Speaker 1: who was played by Ashley Johnson. Yes she is significant.

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Speaker 1: We love her, we love her voice. As time goes on,

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Speaker 1: And at that point Anna was like, Ellie, this is

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Speaker 1: Obviously very different conversations now because he's being very caring

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Speaker 1: that she would get excited as well as Boggle, which

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Speaker 1: She's still distracted, but she's like sure, sure, sure. So

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Speaker 1: comes to a giraffe. Yes, And it is a scene.

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Speaker 1: It's a very sweet moment. She's kind of coming back

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424
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: think it's complex, but I do think he was really

425
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: there was a selfishness to it. I don't even know

426
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: if that's the right word. But he don't want to

427
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: be alone anymore. He didn't want to go through this

428
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: loss again. So it was that as well. And if

429
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 1: you go back and look at like the whole above me,

430
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: the way I want you to line with Bill and Frank,

431
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,959
Speaker 1: and you know, Frank saying I've I've had a good life,

432
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 1: this is what I want, and Bill being devastated by that,

433
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 1: but ultimately doing as Frank wanted versus Ellie and Joel,

434
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: where I think Joel was too afraid to ask her

435
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: what she wanted. And you can bring in like she

436
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: is a child's I'm not saying he's her adult, but

437
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 1: she is a child who is traumatized, so she might

438
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: not make the healthiest decision. But also, who's making these

439
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,479
Speaker 1: super healthy decisions in the apocalypse. I'm not sure anybody is.

440
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: But you also have, like you know in Bill's letter

441
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: where he's saying, this is what men like us do.

442
00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: We fight to protect those we love, And it seems

443
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: like Jill sort of interpreted that in a way that

444
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: maybe wasn't what Bill exactly meant, kind of what he meant,

445
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: but not exactly what he meant because of what the

446
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: choice he made with Frank. But also if you look

447
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: at like Ellie and Riley and what happens when you

448
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: know they promise to die together versus Bill and Frank

449
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: versus Ellie and Joel, I think there's a lot of

450
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: interesting juxtapositions there. But I think this is where I

451
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: want to be very clear here, because I think this

452
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: is where my issue comes in is not even necessarily

453
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: the end, which I love the ending, but the fan

454
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: reaction to the ending, and especially in the gamer community,

455
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: because I do want to say I am talking a

456
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: lot about the game too, and maybe even more, and

457
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: I'll try to be clear about that, but that's where

458
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: a lot of my kind of like hesitation, like defensiveness

459
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: and anger comes up. And when I talk about it

460
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: is more the fan reaction to the ending than the

461
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: actual ending, which I like a lot. I think it's very,

462
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: very haunting, and I saw I saw a great article

463
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: that was like, it's not meant to be triumphants, It's

464
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: meant to be tragic, because I think a lot of

465
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: fans who played it felt triumphant at it, which I

466
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: don't think was intended at all. But you know, I

467
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: also think, as I was saying, a lot of people

468
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: do try to justify what Joel did. And there's some

469
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: plenty of good faith arguments, for sure, but they're plenty

470
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: of bad faith funds. I personally think the fight about

471
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: the vaccine miss is the point about whether or not

472
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: it would have worked. It's certainly implied that it would

473
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: have scientifically in our real world, I don't think so,

474
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: but it certainly implied definitely in the game that they

475
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: had run tests, they were pretty confident it was going

476
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: to work, So I think that misses the point. I

477
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: think if you're like going into outside like, well, I

478
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: don't know, because you know, in reality, in reality, even

479
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: though Courtceps could infect us, the likelihood is extremely small.

480
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: I hope that doesn't come back to bite me this

481
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: one day, but like, I don't. I don't think that

482
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: is like a good faith argument in my opinion, A

483
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: lot of people are trying to make it. I don't

484
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: think that's that's legit, because yeah, it's not. And I

485
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: remember I had this conversation with a good friend of

486
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: mine about it. You're not meant supposed to feel good

487
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: about what you've done at the end, at least that's

488
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: the vibe I got. You're supposed to be like, oh God,

489
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: what have I done? And people seem to be trying

490
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: to find these ways, especially as players of the game,

491
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: when you have been playing this character the whole time,

492
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: you are behind a lot of the actions that he

493
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: did as the player, that you try and find these

494
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: ways to make yourself feel better about what you just did,

495
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: which was like tragic. And I think another thing that

496
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: gets lost in this is we do see Joel change.

497
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: He does become you know, softer with Ellie. Like Kinder,

498
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: he's still very very violent that you do see him

499
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: become kind of this more caring person, but the fireflies

500
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: when he gets there, they have no way of knowing that,

501
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: like the last time they saw him, he was I'm

502
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: pretty sure he had killed some of their people, or

503
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: at very least was like violence towards some of their people.

504
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: And not to say that they weren't aggressors either, but

505
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: like they didn't have a good relationship, I guess what

506
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And they'd seen him outright not want to

507
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: take Ellie, kind of throw her around in the show,

508
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: and so they don't know and he arrives, we do

509
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: as the viewers, and I get that can be hard

510
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: to separate, but they don't know that Marlene, you could argue,

511
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: especially in the game, has more claim to Ellie than

512
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: Joel does. But she does seem to sense and I've

513
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: been thinking of she kind of gets the understanding that

514
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: he does care about Ellie, and I think it's because

515
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: she's kind of taken aback that he went through all

516
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: of this effort to try across the country to get

517
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: her there, and so she has this sense of like, oh, Okay,

518
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: he's really grown grown to care about her, and a

519
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, say like they could have

520
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: just talked it out. I'm not sure. I personally don't think.

521
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that could have been a good,

522
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: nice step, but I don't think anybody would have changed

523
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: their mind or it would have changed the action, as

524
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: we've been saying. Also throughout this, they did make Joel

525
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: softer in the show than in the game. They made

526
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: him more sympathetic, and in fact, somebody who doesn't who

527
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: I actually don't know, but I know through a friends

528
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: had just played the game, watched the first episode of

529
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: the show, and I'm like, wow, they made him so

530
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: much like nicer, So it's apparent. It's not just me,

531
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: it's apparent. And at the same time, they made Ellie

532
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: and Marlene harder, kind of harsher, which I think they

533
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: did for a lot of reasons, but one of the

534
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: big one is knowing this ending was going to be

535
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: so possibly very controversial, how are they going to stick

536
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: behind this character. There's also the whole conversation of him

537
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: of Joel replacing Sarah with Ellie, so at the end

538
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: when he's kind of comparing Ellie to Sarah and he

539
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: keeps making these like, oh, but you know, she was

540
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: a bit curlier than you. Not that that's a bad thing,

541
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: but you were like this, and she would have liked

542
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: you for this. Like it has that kind of vibe

543
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: if he's really trying to both both remember Sarah but

544
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: put Ellie in this role of being his daughter, and

545
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: that idea again of what would he do if he

546
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: lost another Sarah, if he loses Ellie, what he'll do

547
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: without her? And maybe in a way that is not

548
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: taking into account Ellie so much as compared to himself.

549
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: He is very traumatized about failing. In his mind, he

550
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: has failed. He failed Sarah, Tommy and Tess. So I

551
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: think that also got tied up in that. But you know,

552
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: as we said in that episode, episode six, he doesn't

553
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: have that conversation about like his anxiety around failing in

554
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: the game either. There's certainly the cycle of trauma. He

555
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: can't see past his own grief. But also, you know,

556
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: as I said before, the games do that so well,

557
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: and I think it show did it so well too.

558
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: But like when you see one character kills another character,

559
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: that character now has that trauma and they go on

560
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: to call us more trauma and then they go on

561
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: to call use more trauma. I do think and I

562
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: talked about this more and the Survival Women in Survival

563
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: Horror episode. I think that we do as a society

564
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: excuse men's trauma more easily, or like we accept what

565
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: they do because of trauma, like around violence and anger,

566
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: more easily, and I think Joel is certainly an example

567
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: of that. I haven't really dived into this with the show,

568
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: but in the game, absolutely absolutely, and people love Pedro Pascal,

569
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: so I would not be surprised at all. There's also

570
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: the juxtaposition which they hinted at in episode eight of

571
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: Ellie not really needing a father versus Joel realizing that

572
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: he does need a daughter, and that kind of coming

573
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: to a head, and that whole idea of the violent heart,

574
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: of Ellie having a violent heart, of Joel having this

575
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: violent heart, and we certainly saw that play out. There

576
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: is that around that discussion when he's talking about how

577
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: he almost took his own life and he flinched and

578
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: Ellie says, they said it behind the behind the episode

579
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: thing was, you know, Ellie thinks she's taken the lesson,

580
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: which is time heals all wounds, but Kagmis and the

581
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: show runner said, time fades people heal, and so Joel

582
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: is implying like Ellie has healed him, and again he

583
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: doesn't know what will happen if if she's gone. And

584
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: I also was kind of grappling with what do I

585
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: think about is he putting too much of his healing

586
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: on Ellie? Like I kind of get the message, but

587
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: it's also like he needs to do some he needs

588
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: to do some inner works. Yeah. Uh. And then I

589
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: think one of the biggest differences is how they portrayed Marlene,

590
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: which is interesting because she is like the same actress

591
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: in the game and the show. I don't think I

592
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: don't think she's like different too drastically. It's just more

593
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: of what they showed about her character to show versus

594
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: what they did in the game, because you do learn

595
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: a lot more about her in the game. She is

596
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: another example I think of women leading in these like

597
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: really difficult positions, because we saw that in episode two

598
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: with the scientists saying, you know, we've got to bomb everything,

599
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: realizing it's going to include her. We saw it kind

600
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: of with tests in the smaller sense of her kind

601
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: of trying to reign in Joel and his more violent tendencies,

602
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: And then you see Marline, who is having to make

603
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: this just horrendous choice when this is her best friend's

604
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: daughter and she was there when she was born and

605
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: promised to protect her and has been protecting her from

606
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: Afar and having being put in the position to make

607
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: that choice where it's waging that versus potentially the survival

608
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: of humanity. So I think my biggest thing is because

609
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: it does often evolve into who was right Marlene versus Joel.

610
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: I do think like you can see why they both

611
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: made their decision right, You can see what she made

612
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: her decision. You can also see that whole idea of her,

613
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: like experiencing loss, not being able to save the ones

614
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: you love. But I think she's thinking of it too

615
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: in terms of the pandemic, like what all the people

616
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: she's lost to this pandemic. What if there's a cure

617
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: you could save all of these people. It is pretty

618
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: clear that she knew Anna lied about like cutting the

619
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: umbilical cord before she got bitten, and kind of takes

620
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 1: the chance on Allie. But I do think people forget

621
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: that part of it too is people have lost, everyone

622
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: has but people have lost people to infected into the pandemic,

623
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: and that's one way to think about it. In the game,

624
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: she did save Joel, though Joel doesn't know that because

625
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: as if Fireflies, a lot of them wanted to just

626
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: kill him when he showed up because they didn't really

627
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: trust him. And I kind of wonder if one of

628
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: the reasons she acted the way she did is she

629
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: was worried he could talk her out of it, he

630
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: could talk her out of this decision, because in the game,

631
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: she's like, she doesn't she feels like she has no

632
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: choice at all. So she's the one that insists he

633
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 1: deserves no because he's the only other one who might

634
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: know what she's going But she's the one who insists

635
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: that Joel deserves to know, which is kind of tragic

636
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: given what happens. But she's very out of it, like

637
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: maybe he knows how I feel, and she didn't really

638
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: want to be alone. She's been struggling with all these

639
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: like feelings of inadequacy, of not being a good leader,

640
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: of depression. Again, if you've like just watched the show,

641
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: you're listening to this, like what they don't really show it,

642
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: but just to give you kind of some backstory of her.

643
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: And as we've said throughout this, like, there are no

644
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: easy answers in the Last of Us. That's kind of

645
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: the difficult thing is that there are no easy answers.

646
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: You'll leave feeling conflicted. And I'm pretty sure that's what

647
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was intended, the complexity and the nuance.

648
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: You'll lee feeling conflicted. It's this fan reaction where everybody

649
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh, no, I love Joel though he did

650
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: the right thing. That kind of gives me anxiety. But yeah, again,

651
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: you get why people make the decisions they do because

652
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: they told these stories really well. You get the same

653
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: with Kathleen and Henry. You might not agree with the

654
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: decisions they make, but you get why they did. And

655
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: it is a hard proposition to base a whole game

656
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: on our story. Just protecting someone who is meant to be,

657
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: especially in this world, kind of the ultimate example of innocence.

658
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: And then you get to the end and you think

659
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: you've been doing that and it turns out you're delivering

660
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: her to her death. But I agree. I don't think

661
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: that Ellie would have wanted at all what Joel did.

662
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: She was struggling with survivor's guilt, so I think she

663
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: would have wanted to go through with the surgery, and

664
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: neither did ask Ellie what she'd want. I feel like

665
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: Marlene was like, you know what, we can wake her

666
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: up right now at the can ask her. But Joel

667
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: did not go through that didn't want to do that.

668
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: I think he knew, and Marley even said like, I

669
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: think you know it, and then Joel lies to Ellie,

670
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: like they build up this trust and then he lies

671
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: to her. I think it was more to protect himself

672
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: than her. Some people would I would disagree, but I

673
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: feel but maybe at least both are going on. But

674
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: he was definitely protecting himself, which breaks the trust. It

675
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: breaks the trust, and you can see it pretty clear,

676
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: like when she turns her back when he doesn't answer

677
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: about Marlene, and he does like, yeah, I think he knew.

678
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: That's why he couldn't tell her, and Ellie kind of

679
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: forces herself to believe this because the truth is too scary.

680
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: They did talk about in the behind the show thing

681
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: like the Link's parents go for their kids, the lies

682
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: they'll tell Marley and Angel two kids, the kind of

683
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: unconditional love of a parent that is this big thought experiment,

684
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: choosing one person you love over humanity. What would that

685
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: look like? I do like Pedro Pescal called it the

686
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: horror and the humanity of it, because you again you

687
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: get it, but you're like horrified by it that someone

688
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: could be capable of this in the name of something

689
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: that should be that we've been often shown to be

690
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: a good thing, like love and caring for a child.

691
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: I will say in the game, you don't, at least

692
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: I didn't. You don't want to kill the surgeon. In fact,

693
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: you can go through not have to kill too many

694
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: people in that final hospital stretch, but it's very difficult.

695
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: You have to kill the surgeon though it won't move

696
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: on until you do. And Neil Juckman, who is the

697
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: creator of the game, said, Joel would never have made

698
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: a different decision, and that's why they left that in there.

699
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: This is also why some of the gamers get mad.

700
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: It's like, well, my Joel would never have done that,

701
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: but you made me do it. But the fact is

702
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: Joel did it. It's also like how you did it

703
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: because if you go back to Tommy's Mine, he says,

704
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, there were other ways we could have survived,

705
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: other than violence. We just weren't any good at them.

706
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: So this is kind of him, of Joel reverting back

707
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: into what he is good at, which is this violence,

708
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: because there are plenty of examples of people surrendering. As

709
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: you said, in the game, he does kill the nurses

710
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: as well. I love games that play with that formula

711
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: of making you question, like how games work and you know,

712
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: going back and looking at what you've done. I have

713
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: seen a lot of dudes defend Joel by saying basically

714
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: about Allie, like he stays her life, she should be grateful,

715
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: She should be thanking him, and the implication it is

716
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: almost like me, as Joel saved your life, he should

717
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: be thanking me. But these are games that make you

718
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: question your actions as a player and how games work

719
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: in general. And I think this show did a really

720
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: good job of again this is me. Maybe I felt

721
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: like capturing the horror of that part of watching something

722
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: unravel where you thought it was going to go this

723
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: way and then it doesn't, It goes not that way

724
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: at all. I do think that this story is more

725
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: nuanced than this, but it is still a pretty like

726
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: masculine coded way of surviving, Like it's a you know,

727
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: masculine dude protecting a young girl through violence, and it

728
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: is the apocalypse. But I do think, you know, ultimately

729
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: there are elements of that certainly, and there are yeah

730
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: fans who celebrate the ending because they see it as

731
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: the play of strength, which just like horrifies me. And

732
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: I've also I've said frequently like if you were playing

733
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 1: as Elliot, or if you were playing as Marline, which

734
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: I think for Marline's respect would be really cool because

735
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: she went through a lot of stuff to get over there,

736
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: would you feel the same way if they did that.

737
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think they wouldn't have gotten

738
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: the same like positive reaction if they had made this

739
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: choice that jolted and I will have more to say

740
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: about to that later. Yes. Also, like I think the

741
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: name is very fitting because the whole game they're kind

742
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: of looking for the light. There are a lot of

743
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: examples of like Ellie being in the light. I know

744
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: your partner pointed out in like episode two where there

745
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: she's on the kind of that mossy field and Joel

746
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: and Tests are in the darkness and Test kind of

747
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: takes a step forward to the light and Joel stays

748
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: back like that kind of looking for hope is a big,

749
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: big theme in it. And then you get there and

750
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: the fireflies are this like representative of hope, look for

751
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: the light, and you get there and it's just not

752
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: what you thought it was. And then what happens when

753
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: you lose that hope? What happens when you stop looking,

754
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: when you stop looking for the light, when you've given

755
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: up on hope altogether. And that's why the moth became

756
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: a big symbol of it, of like kind of always

757
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 1: chasing the light and then never ever ever being able

758
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: to find it. I will say they also gave Fedra

759
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: and the fireflies more complexity in this and more nuanced

760
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: because they I feel like in the first one, while

761
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: you didn't think the fireflies were perfect, they were much

762
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: more like Fedra is bad, fireflies are gold, whereas in

763
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: the show they were more quickly like Fedra's bad, but

764
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: it's not all bad, and fireflies are also bad but

765
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: not all bad. I mentioned in the last episode. I

766
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: have heard some complaints around, like I guess they like

767
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: it's too quick, it went too quickly. I think that

768
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: everything they cut out. I get why they cut it out,

769
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: because in a game, you have to quote do something.

770
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: I just feel like some people were just mad because

771
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: it didn't have literally everything from the game and the show.

772
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: But they are different mediums and there's reasons. I feel

773
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: like that I understood why things were cut out, and

774
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: there are reasons why things were added in. And I

775
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: did notice when I was looking through this, which didn't

776
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: surprise me. But the lowest rated episodes on IMDb are

777
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: the Queer ones. Yeah, I do have some stuff. When

778
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: we get to the second season, Um, that's She's ready.

779
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: And then I'm going to talk about because I know

780
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: some people like there's a lot of controversy good faith

781
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: in bad faith around that one. So I just know

782
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: that I know it, but well, we will talk about it.

783
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to briefly go over some of my favorite

784
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: moments very quick. The performances were great. All the performances

785
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: were great. I loved Patre Pascal, I loved his anxiety speech.

786
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: I love Nico Parker storm read. I loved Belle Ramsay

787
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: and like when she has that massive breakdown, and eight

788
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: was amazing. Nick Offerman and Murray Bartlett so sweet, um

789
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: Lamar Johnson and cave On Woodwards, um As Henry and

790
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: Sam Verry moving, Gabriel, Luna, Routina Wesley, the voice actors

791
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: being on there was super cool. That was very very cool.

792
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: I loved the sets. I love the attention to detail.

793
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: I thought a lot of the shots were very beautiful.

794
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: Basically everybody that made it happen. I love the floaters

795
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: and the clickers. It sounds like just won the reward

796
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: for this show that you weren't involved so much. I

797
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: want to think, all the people, let me have my moment.

798
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: I love the music, which is also from the game,

799
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: but I also love the music they picked, like thepeesche

800
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: Mode very cool. Yeah. I loved like the opening of

801
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: the Apocalypse, the Bill and Frank thing, the puns, Henry

802
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: and Sam, I love Maria and Jackson them all, the draft,

803
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: the final shot, Oh my god. But mostly I loved

804
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: hanging out and sharing this with others. I loved hanging

805
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: out with you and having this experience. It was beautiful.

806
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: The joy for me outside of this show was the

807
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: excitement that you had. You looked like you were opening

808
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: presents on Christmas morning. Every day that you would come

809
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,479
Speaker 1: over getting prepared, and you had to come in front

810
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: like before everyone else. And I felt like that was

811
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: for you to get into the environment of the house

812
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: so that you could acclamate people coming over. Is that

813
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: why you did this? That's what I felt like was

814
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: happening your excitement. It literally was like watching a kid

815
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: in the candy store for the first time. It was delightful.

816
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: You crying all through everyone like the episodes. And I

817
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: think Joey is going to put up a TikTok of

818
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: because I did record you throughout. I did a boomer thing,

819
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: which we were supposed to have completely diferent recording, but

820
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: then I came back with like recording you because you

821
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: were from Jump in the finale tears. It was phenomenal

822
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: and I looked over and I was like, well, damn,

823
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: she's read a deal. Love every part of that. Yeah,

824
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: and this the show was fantastic. I did love knowing

825
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes. Thanks to you and your mini playthroughs, y'all.

826
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: She's played through this so many times, and she's done

827
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 1: it as if she is playing movies for other people,

828
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: like her family, her friends have come through to watch

829
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: her play. It's quite hilarious. And she's had my partner playing.

830
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: She could watch it like a movie as well. Like

831
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: the overall has been amazing. Oh and the FYI, did

832
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: you know that Bella Ramsay's scene where she comes out

833
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: to Pedro Pascal and like this almost happened was shot

834
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: before her actual kill scene, Like she had not even

835
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: done that emotional scene to come and react to it.

836
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: She reacted it before she even did it, Like that's

837
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: that caliber of acting. Holy crap like that. It wasn't

838
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: in like logical order for her to piece that together,

839
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: but it worked so well her flow. Have we talked

840
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: about it before, like she's gonna be winning Oscars soon

841
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: enough on her own, I'm sure. But yes, the joy

842
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: and you watching like it literally there's a New Girl

843
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: scene in which they talk about how much they love

844
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: watching someone else doing something else, and it goes from like,

845
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: is it's just I get it's much joy out of

846
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: this watching you watching this person watching this. It was

847
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: literally me watching me watching that. That's where I got

848
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: the joy was the show just watching you watching it? Well,

849
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate so much that you shared it

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Speaker 1: with me. I offered up your home like I would

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Speaker 1: want it no other way. It better be with me

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Speaker 1: from now man. Yes, Oh my gosh, it was just

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Speaker 1: so nice. It was so fun. We did marathon it

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Speaker 1: and I recommend it. Um we did. And when we

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00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: say we, I mean her and I just walked in

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00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: and out all the time. And then I was supposed

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Speaker 1: to be doing other stuff but I got drawn in.

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Speaker 1: So but it's so good time. I just feel like

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Speaker 1: the book now that it's over, I needed like a it.

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Speaker 1: But it'll never be over for you, that's true. I'm

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00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: going to start the second game soon. Um, it's not

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Speaker 1: a call. And Jerry, I know this. It's kind of

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00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: like haphazard, just my thoughts all over the place. When

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00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: I tell you, I was lying awake at night trying

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Speaker 1: to think of like ways to phrase this. I just

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00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: don't want to turn it into too much of a thing.

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Speaker 1: But I might come back and like really lay it

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Speaker 1: out because people are fighting about this. A lot of

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00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: ways are funny. But I mean, I think we need

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00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: to do a spoiler Saturday about Last of Us two

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Speaker 1: and you can go into your theories of what's coming

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00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 1: and so that. Oh I can't Christina would have to

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Speaker 1: edit it. Who is watching it? So never mind? How

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Speaker 1: do we do this? We need to find in it.

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Speaker 1: Let's like Ramsey, who has been a part of our viewing, um,

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00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: he would have some fun. It's gonna cut and past

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00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: the make you look really bad just for his own sake. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: And I mean I've just had such a good time

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Speaker 1: sharing this with you two listeners of like people have

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Speaker 1: written in and even if you haven't watched it or

881
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: played it, and kind of having this thing where I

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00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: got to really just explode passion about something that I love,

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Speaker 1: and I do everything that you love has issues. And

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Speaker 1: I have talked about him in previous episodes, but this

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00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: is kind of more like I touched on some here,

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00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: but this was much more a love letter. But just

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Speaker 1: now those exists, I can point you in there in

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Speaker 1: their direction. I have a lot to say about the

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00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: Last of Us. And if you watched the making of

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Speaker 1: on HBO, which again and not a sponsor, if you

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Speaker 1: wait till like the very end, they do kind of

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00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: a in credit scene and then it cuts to Neil

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Speaker 1: Juckman and he's like, that's the end of the story,

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Speaker 1: and then it announces last of the season too, coming soon.

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Speaker 1: I also love they put this line in there, like

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Speaker 1: you've come to an end and you don't know what

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00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: to do next. Yes, I know I've come to an end.

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Speaker 1: I'm playing the second one, yes, but yes, we will

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Speaker 1: see you next time whenever that will be where I do.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot to say. And if you think

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Speaker 1: you're conflicted after this one, oh my goodness, I cannot wait.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're read. I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you're ready. But thank you, yeah for

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Speaker 1: those of you who are like, this was so sad.

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Speaker 1: The second I'm making a face, I'm just making a

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Speaker 1: face as twice the opportunity for sadness and it makes

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Speaker 1: use of it. So thank you, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: always too, our super producer Christina, our executive producer Maya,

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Speaker 1: and our contributor Joey. Yeah. Thank you, yes, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for making all this happen, and thanks to

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