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Speaker 3: Oh, it is a very different day in the Herd.

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Speaker 3: We are live.

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Speaker 1: On a day many of us, most of us woke up,

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Speaker 1: rushed to the Internet and saw a story that was

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Speaker 1: a combination of James Bond meets Casino meets Uncut Gems

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Speaker 1: meets Rounders meets reality.

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Speaker 3: First the Louver.

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Speaker 1: Heist in Paris this weekend and now a gambling sting.

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Speaker 3: With the FBI.

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Speaker 1: In the NBA, it's the Roaring twenties apparently, welcome into

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Speaker 1: the Herd in Chicago.

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Speaker 3: His capone's still here? WHOA what is happening?

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Speaker 1: If you have not heard NBA current and active NBA

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Speaker 1: coach Chauncey Billups four, MVP in the finals, has been arrested.

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Speaker 1: So is Damon Jones and Terry Rozier. So, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I used to work in Vegas for seven years. I

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Speaker 1: saw a lot of bad actors. The mob was still

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Speaker 1: in Vegas, So I don't get real precious on this stuff.

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Speaker 1: For years and years. I mean, you can go back

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Speaker 1: to Henry Hill, Boston College in the seventies. People go

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Speaker 1: into prison over this stuff. You can go back to

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Speaker 1: the Romans and the Chariots. Gambling in sports has been

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Speaker 1: intertwined forever, and the mafia is often part of it.

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Speaker 1: Tim Donneghe, the NBA investigation Shoho Tani, the interpreter. I

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Speaker 1: always look at stories like this as a good thing.

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Speaker 1: I want to protect our sports. I want to protect

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Speaker 1: the sanctity of these sports. So when story like this

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Speaker 1: come out and they're uncovered and discovered and there's indictments

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Speaker 1: and these are all accusations, but it's a four year

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Speaker 1: process by the FBI, about seven million dollars, victims lost

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Speaker 1: hours and hours of videotape.

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Speaker 3: And I've been reading.

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Speaker 1: This stuff for the last forty five minutes to an hour,

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Speaker 1: and these are accusations. I'll try to simplify it as

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Speaker 1: much as I can and give you my take on it.

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Speaker 1: So Damon Jones, Terry Rosier, Chauncey Billins. So it's all

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Speaker 1: illegal gambling. It's eleven states spanned across eleven states, thirty

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Speaker 1: individuals arrested. Thirteen of them are mafia members LaCOSA and Oustra,

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Speaker 1: that's the Italian mafia. So these are two separate incidents.

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Speaker 1: So the NBA one is six defendants, Damon Jones, Terry Rosier. Basically,

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Speaker 1: they leveraged their connections to place prop bets. For instance,

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Speaker 1: would hit. And a guy who's made over one hundred

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Speaker 1: doing it from real bad actors. Not sure why you'd

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Speaker 1: do that. Maybe he was in huge debt. But they're

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Speaker 1: two separate indictments. The poker fraud's been going on forever

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Speaker 1: in basements all across the world. Okay, so the poker

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Speaker 1: fraud stuff, I mean, let me just read some of this.

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Speaker 1: The technology was hidden cameras, special contact lenses, glasses that

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Speaker 1: read cards face down. There were people off site from

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Speaker 1: the decks that were getting information feeding it back to

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Speaker 1: and that's been happening forever. It's happening this morning, and

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Speaker 1: I don't play poker. I have friends who do you know,

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Speaker 1: There was that NASU investigation. Vegas often tells the leagues,

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Speaker 4: It was that.

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Speaker 1: I remember waking up in Vegas one year Spokesman review.

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Speaker 1: to get Cash Betel on the show today. Here there

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Speaker 5: We're here in New York to announce a historic arrest

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Speaker 5: across a wide, sweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both the

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Speaker 5: NBA and La Casinostra. But as you now know, individuals

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Speaker 5: such as Chauncy Phillips, Damon Jones, and Terry Rozier were

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Speaker 5: taking into custody today former current NBA players and coaches.

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Speaker 5: What you don't know is that this is an illegal

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Speaker 5: gambling operation and sports rigging operation that spanned the course

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Speaker 1: So the one thing I read there was some video

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Speaker 1: It says there were tens of thousands of dollars in profits. Again,

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Speaker 1: My first job was covering a Vegas team where Richard

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Speaker 1: So I just think chariot races, the Romans gambling mafia

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Speaker 1: The Donneghe stuff was unbelievable when it happened, and Donighie

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Speaker 1: I just called fowls like validating it, rationalizing it. So

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Speaker 1: we'll keep you posted now before this story. Last night,

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Speaker 1: well abnormal. The second best player in the league, and

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Speaker 1: I think he's the second starting last night, the second

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Speaker 6: The mind, I'm not worried about because I saw what

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Speaker 6: it's like to be confronted with, you know, potentially losing

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Speaker 6: a lot, whether it's your career or you're health, you know.

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Speaker 6: So I'm not thinking disre granted anymore. But the body, it's, uh,

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Speaker 4: I'm still going to get better.

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Speaker 1: So I was singing about this, The Ben Johnson Bears,

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Speaker 3: It is working. It is absolutely working.

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Speaker 1: It's just how unrealistic are the critics this week, Ravens.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a deep breath talk about something much more positive,

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. We all know in baseball, good

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Speaker 1: Do you talk to him during a game or do

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Speaker 1: you want to stay away from that? Is it kind

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Speaker 1: of a body language sense on I'm gonna let him

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Speaker 1: go or I'm gonna pull him.

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Speaker 4: It's it's knowing the player. It's knowing it's knowing the player.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's my job essentially. And I think the

439
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Speaker 4: thing is is that you know my job is to

440
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Speaker 4: know my players. I definitely don't get it right all

441
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Speaker 4: the time, but I feel like my process and kind

442
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Speaker 4: of how I know how to manage guys for the

443
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Speaker 4: short the long term is pretty sound. I think the

444
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Speaker 4: great thing Colin about baseball is because if you look

445
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Speaker 4: at you know, basketball is so quick. You can't coach

446
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Speaker 4: basketball in real time. You can't change defense as a

447
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Speaker 4: fan right football you could probably do it a little bit,

448
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Speaker 4: but baseball is something where every fan has that opportunity

449
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Speaker 4: to essentially manage. But I do feel like trusting my players,

450
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Speaker 4: knowing my players, knowing my coaches. I've got a sound process.

451
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Speaker 4: But I was right there with you and then that

452
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Speaker 4: Blake Smell thing was fifty to fifty. And you know,

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Speaker 4: right now we're watching Roki and to put him in

454
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Speaker 4: the pen, that's a gut feeling that I feel like

455
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Speaker 4: I can trust him in big spots where that wasn't easy.

456
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Speaker 4: And right now, you know, I trust my players. I

457
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Speaker 4: love my players, and I think again, we're playing good baseball.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, I said before the playoffs, I said, in

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Speaker 1: my lifetime, I've seen teams with great bullpens win the

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Speaker 1: World Series. I think the Royals years ago had it,

461
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Speaker 1: and they didn't have necessarily great roster, but if they

462
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Speaker 1: led in the six, they won the game. I said,

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Speaker 1: I've never seen a team with a shaky bullpen win

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Speaker 1: a World Series. I said, I don't think the Dodgers

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Speaker 1: can and then suddenly get solved. Roki moved to the bullpen.

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Speaker 1: Take me to the part in the season. It could

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Speaker 1: have been you, and Andrew Friedman. It could have been

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Speaker 1: you and your pitching coaches and talking that you just decided, listen,

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Speaker 1: we got to make some alterations. We got to pivot here.

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Speaker 1: He's young, he's got great stuff. We're gonna we're gonna

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Speaker 1: move him. Like, what were those ongoing or was there

472
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Speaker 1: an epiphany or a moment that you just said, we

473
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Speaker 1: can't win a pennant with this current bullpen?

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Speaker 3: How did that process work?

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Speaker 4: You know what? I think that Okay, there's two parts

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Speaker 4: of this. I think with Roki if you look back

477
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Speaker 4: at April, where you see there were visuals photographs of him,

478
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Speaker 4: you know, teary eyed in the pen, you know, just distraught, disappointed, scared,

479
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Speaker 4: word all that stuff, right, and then so just trying

480
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Speaker 4: to get him back to health, trying to nurse his mindset.

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Speaker 4: His physical being back was number one. And then as

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Speaker 4: he kind of made his way back and trying to

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Speaker 4: build him up, appreciating the fact that we've already had

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Speaker 4: enough starters so we weren't going to use him in

485
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Speaker 4: that starter role. And then going to him with me

486
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Speaker 4: and Andrew and the pitching guys and said, hey man,

487
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Speaker 4: you have an opportunity if you want to take on

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Speaker 4: a bullpen. Roll don't know what the rule is going

489
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Speaker 4: to look like. This is an opportunity for you to

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Speaker 4: impact twenty twenty five, and basically right your twenty twenty

491
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Speaker 4: five season, he was like, I'm in. And then so

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Speaker 4: we look at the calendar. We had literally two opportunities

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Speaker 4: in the regular season to give him an opportunity to

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Speaker 4: pitch out of the pen for us. It showed really well.

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Speaker 4: And then I think in the Cincinnati Wildcard Series there

496
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Speaker 4: is a spot that I was like, you know what,

497
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Speaker 4: we're either going to sink or swim. We got to

498
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Speaker 4: see what it looks like, and I ran him out there.

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Speaker 4: He performed, and then from then it's just like the

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Speaker 4: rest is history. He started getting some momentum, and even

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Speaker 4: in that Philly no I think it was the I

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Speaker 4: don't know if it was a Brewer outing where it

503
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Speaker 4: didn't look good or the Philly outing, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I was determined to running back out there and not

505
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Speaker 4: run from him, so he can kind of keep that confidence.

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Speaker 4: And so I give the organization Roalkie a lot of

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Speaker 4: credit for kind of riding the ship. And then the

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Speaker 4: other part of it is like when you're looking at

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Speaker 4: the postseason, you're trying to get the best arms you

510
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Speaker 4: can for the postseason, so you know, using gloss Now

511
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Speaker 4: out of the pen, using Emmett Sheen out of the pen.

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Speaker 4: So it wasn't really kind of what girl brought us

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Speaker 4: to the dance as far as the pen is who

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Speaker 4: we're going to go with. But at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day, though Colin I've said it, we're going to

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Speaker 4: go with our best arms. And if you can get

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Speaker 4: your best arms, and right now, our best arms are

518
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Speaker 4: the starting pitchers. If those guys can take down the

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Speaker 4: most outs, we're going to be in a good spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny about analytics. The term I always use

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Speaker 1: is analytics because I think in baseball, when the postseason comes,

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Speaker 1: the numbers are the numbers.

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Speaker 3: But there are moments when.

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Speaker 1: You're like I may used to have I may have

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Speaker 1: to use a starter in the PA guys all hands

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Speaker 1: on deck. So do you find yourself with analytics? They're

527
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Speaker 1: still important. But like I says, say this about the NBA,

528
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Speaker 1: the referees stop calling fouls in the postseason, so the

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Speaker 1: analytics get all screwed up. They just let them wrestle

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you don't get to the

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Speaker 1: free throw line. In baseball, you manage differently in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: I mean you want Snell going. I mean to me,

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Speaker 1: I watch you, and I'm like, you wouldn't have let

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Speaker 1: Yoshi go? You would have gone to the pen if

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Speaker 1: that game's in June, would you not?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? It's funny is that word analytics And I somehow

537
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Speaker 4: got tied to analytics. And I don't use my eyes

538
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Speaker 4: or my gut, but I think that I managed, and

539
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Speaker 4: I watched the game, and so I think in the postseason,

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying put analytics aside, but you have got

541
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Speaker 4: to bet on players. You've got to bet on people,

542
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Speaker 4: and you've got to bet on heartbeat, and in that

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Speaker 4: I do think that analytics. The place for analytics for

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Speaker 4: me is the long haul one sixty two. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 4: at the end of the day it plays out. But

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Speaker 4: when you're talking about one moment in time, is that

547
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Speaker 4: picture going to get that hitter out? Is that hitter

548
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Speaker 4: going to get a hit or take a good at

549
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Speaker 4: bat against that pitcher? Or are there nine guys that

550
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Speaker 4: I'm running out there? Do I field has the best

551
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Speaker 4: chance to score runs against that particular pitcher? That is

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Speaker 4: the that's a coin flip, that's heads or tails, and

553
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Speaker 4: that's what I bet on. You know that's how I

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Speaker 4: manage the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Well, we've seen this also.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting the Mariners had Julio Rodriguez

557
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Speaker 1: and Cal Rawley at the top of their order and show, hey,

558
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Speaker 1: O Tani obviously leading off. And I've said this, I

559
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Speaker 1: zone in on baseball during the postseason. In the regular season,

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Speaker 1: it's almost like the radio sound of my summer. I

561
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Speaker 1: have the games on. I'm in and out of stuff.

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Speaker 1: There does it in my when I grew up, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you had Johnny bench was bat and cleanup, Pudge's bat

564
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Speaker 1: and cleanup right like you have your big gut Barry

565
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Speaker 1: Bonds three or four. Now you got power guys hitting

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Speaker 1: toward the top of the lineup, which I would would

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Speaker 1: imagine is they get more at bats. But it is

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Speaker 1: interesting how I mean, that's my take is I want

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Speaker 1: to Tani up as much as I can get him.

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Speaker 3: Do you love that? Or is just that the reality

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Speaker 3: of the way the game is played?

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Speaker 1: Because I kind of love my big bombs, you know,

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Speaker 1: I want you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Like him in the three four five spot. How do

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Speaker 3: you land on that?

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Speaker 4: I love the way and I think for me, it's

577
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Speaker 4: like anything where you want to continue to evolve and grow.

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Speaker 4: Where when I was growing up as you were, same

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Speaker 4: time period, showhad would be hitting you know, three or four.

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Speaker 4: But I think that the way that understated that you

581
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Speaker 4: want to get your best hitters as many at bats

582
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Speaker 4: as possible. That's how you win baseball games. And I

583
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Speaker 4: can tell, you know, Bruce Bochie right now or Jim

584
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Speaker 4: Tracy right now, he should hit me leadoff versus Randy Johnson.

585
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Speaker 4: If I'm put to play center field, I should have

586
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Speaker 4: hit ninth. And those are things that you've got to evolve.

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Speaker 4: And Johnny bench facing Nolan Ryan. Maybe Johnny could have

588
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Speaker 4: hit fifth or six and maybe you know, but that's

589
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Speaker 4: the way the game has evolved. And I do think

590
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Speaker 4: that you got to kind of appreciate that. And so

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Speaker 4: I just don't want to be beholden to one lineup.

592
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Speaker 4: I think our guys have evolved. But I do feel that,

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Speaker 4: you know, having Show at the top Mookie two, I

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Speaker 4: flipped flip Freddie and Will Smithko and things like that,

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Speaker 4: because it's kind of you know, the little we can

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Speaker 4: go deeper calling, you know, where it's like you get

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Speaker 4: a tough lefty to give attacks to get to Freddy

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Speaker 4: a third time those are little nuances of setting the lineup.

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Speaker 4: But I do think that having your best hitters take

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Speaker 4: the most of that's makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and by the way, it does help that Mooky

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Speaker 1: and show Hey also have wheels so they can move.

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Speaker 1: That helps as well. By the way, my favorite Dave

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Speaker 1: Roberts moment. You're a very humble guy, but this piece

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Speaker 1: of audio made me laugh. Let's play it.

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Speaker 4: Oh, this is a one team, one dream operation. And

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you, before this season started, they said the

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Speaker 4: Dodgers are ruining baseball. Let's get four more wins and

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Speaker 4: really ruin baseball.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Dave, that's funny. I like that, Dave.

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Speaker 4: It's okay.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing is that everyone trolls me, and so

615
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Speaker 4: I figured, you know what, I'm gonna flip it on

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Speaker 4: its head and troll some people that are trying to

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Speaker 4: create this crazy narrative that the Dodgers are ruining baseball.

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Speaker 4: I will tell you this, call it. And you know this,

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Speaker 4: Baseball viewership is at an all time high. Baseball players

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Speaker 4: are better than they've ever been. We are going to

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Speaker 4: have more eyeballs watching this World Series than ever Because

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Speaker 4: of the country of Canada, US and Japan and beyond right.

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Speaker 4: So obviously the Dodgers are not ruining baseball. It's in

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Speaker 4: a great state. And I was just kind of taking

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Speaker 4: a dig at these crazy people that say that what

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Speaker 4: we do, and I think we do it really well.

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Speaker 4: We're running baseball. So that was my little dig.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way I said this, Tommy Edmund was

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Speaker 1: hitting two sixty five for the Cardinals. You got him.

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Speaker 1: He becomes the NLCS MVP. Max Munsey was cut.

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Speaker 3: By the A's. Now he leaves the Dodgers in all

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Speaker 3: time home runs.

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Speaker 1: This idea that it's not just it's just money, it's research,

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Speaker 1: it's development, it's scouting, it's managing. I've always said that

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Speaker 1: the most. I said this earlier today. There's an anti

636
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Speaker 1: Californian sentiment in this country. Sometimes everybody picks on California.

637
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: The weather's great, the mountains, the beaches. The truth is

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Speaker 1: it's a very likable team. I believe the reason Rokie

639
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: will take a bullpen roll.

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Speaker 3: I truly believe this is because.

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Speaker 1: He knows there's no ego, and he knows you could

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Speaker 1: go to showhand and say I'm betting you third to night.

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Speaker 1: I bet I think you've created. I've said this the

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Speaker 1: Yankees or the Astros. You can hate those guys. This

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00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: is not a hatable team. And I think to some degree,

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Speaker 1: I think Roki says, yeah, I'll do it. And part

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Speaker 1: of it is that's the culture that you've created, is

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Speaker 1: it not?

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Speaker 4: It is called And that's the biggest compliment I can get.

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Speaker 4: Because we have great players, we have a great organization.

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Speaker 4: But I feel that in the long season, to be

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Speaker 4: really good every year, to have guys buy in is

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Speaker 4: what a lot of head coaches and managers talk about.

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Speaker 4: To get superstars to buy into whatever you ask of

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Speaker 4: them and to be selfless' that's the secret sauce. And

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Speaker 4: for me as a manager, that's something I'm really proud of.

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Speaker 4: So I appreciate you bringing that to life.

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Speaker 1: Finally, just one I'm only going to ask. It's not

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Speaker 1: a favor, but just consider if you've got an open base,

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Speaker 1: the game is tied, and George Springer's coming up, just

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Speaker 1: consider walking you. Just consider that you don't have to

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Speaker 1: pitch to him. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody, but

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Speaker 1: Toronto is really good. I mean, I know you've watched

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Speaker 1: you've watched them. I think this matchup. You've got what

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Speaker 1: concerns you about the Jays, You know.

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Speaker 4: What, they're really athletic. I think that you mentioned Springer,

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Speaker 4: who's a big game player. He's on a heater right now,

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Speaker 4: had a great, you know, last couple of months. That

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Speaker 4: guy right there, Vladimir scares the heck out of me.

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Speaker 4: And they're just a gritty group. They're very similar to

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Speaker 4: our club and they're tough. I think Ross Atkins, I

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Speaker 4: think Marsha Power. They've done a great job with this club.

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Speaker 4: And you know, you Savage. We don't know him, so

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Speaker 4: there's some unfamiliarity there. But like you said, it's going

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Speaker 4: to be a great series. Joe Davis I talked to

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Speaker 4: the other day, said he's never heard a louder stadium

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Speaker 4: than he heard here at the Rogers Center. So it's

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Speaker 4: going to be a lot of fun. It's going to

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Speaker 4: be great. I think the city has been waiting a

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Speaker 4: long time for this, and you know, I'm looking forward

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Speaker 4: to It's gonna be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for giving us fifteen minutes. Dave Roberts always so

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Speaker 1: great to our show, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Skip all right, thank you, appreciate you all right.

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Speaker 1: Dave Roberts, I think it's going to be a really

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Speaker 1: good world series, and I think it's a really interesting

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Speaker 1: story that he talks about Roki, that he went to him,

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Speaker 1: he and Andrew Friedman, the pitching coach, and hey, will

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Speaker 1: you come out of the pen, and he said, I'll

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Speaker 1: do it. And I think that's the culture. I said

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Speaker 1: it earlier. There've been hateable teams. I mean you go

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Speaker 1: back to that Mets team with Lenny Dykes, Drude. There

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Speaker 1: have been the characters everywhere. This isn't one of those teams.

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Speaker 1: It's like, good guys,