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Speaker 3: Eleventh, I got a call from Dina this morning, said
Speaker 3: LeBlanc was driving down wanted us to all meet in person.
Speaker 3: It must be important if you dure now for Nashville.
Speaker 4: Jill, how you holding up?
Speaker 5: I don't fucking know anymore.
Speaker 3: Honestly, the only thing I can do right now is
Speaker 3: keep digging for answers to listen.
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry about Tyler Wilson. I know you too,
Speaker 6: were close back in the day.
Speaker 5: I don't understand it. I guess you lost this shit.
Speaker 5: I don't know. Or maybe he was the same one
Speaker 5: and it's the rest of us that they're completely insane.
Speaker 7: Either way, Tyler.
Speaker 5: Knew something something we don't not yet.
Speaker 6: Anyway, how about you, are you taking care of yourself?
Speaker 4: What do you mean?
Speaker 6: Do you have a psychiatrist.
Speaker 8: Where'd you disappear too last night that you were win?
Speaker 2: Hey?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm sorry. I couldn't sleep so I wouldn't
Speaker 5: get in my car. How's Jimmy? Good morning?
Speaker 9: I thank you all for coming.
Speaker 8: Well, what is it then?
Speaker 9: I'm sorry. There's no easy way to tell you what.
Speaker 9: They rejected our appeal.
Speaker 6: Fucker's why, Dana hold on? I'm sorry, mister Leblant, But
Speaker 6: did we miss the dead No?
Speaker 9: No, Look, we made the deadline by the skin of
Speaker 9: our teeth. But they still rejected the claim. Why lacking
Speaker 9: in merit?
Speaker 6: The fuck does that mean the testimony of the key
Speaker 6: witness was coerced? They found new evidence the.
Speaker 10: Next and all the suspicious shit with Tyler Shirley.
Speaker 6: There's an error.
Speaker 9: Look, we knew it was a long shot. That they
Speaker 9: even read or applied to the brief as a goddamn miracle.
Speaker 9: The State Supreme Court does not have to take the case,
Speaker 9: and in this instance they simply let the appellate Court's
Speaker 9: decisions stand. Okay, we anticipated this and we had to
Speaker 9: do it to exhaust all possible appeals.
Speaker 4: And the good news is that they.
Speaker 9: Got back to us and read a short order Okay,
Speaker 9: they could have sat on it until the last minute.
Speaker 9: But as it stands now, we still have time to
Speaker 9: ask for clemency. We can still make a request to
Speaker 9: the governor for relief from the death sentence.
Speaker 6: Do you know the governor?
Speaker 8: I know somebody that knows the governor who Bobby Hadley.
Speaker 6: That's right, there's a situation with mister Hadley and Dina,
Speaker 6: a situation.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 6: He may be incentivized to make a personal appeal on
Speaker 6: James Fincher's.
Speaker 2: Behalf encouraging, and I for.
Speaker 6: One am not giving up. Not if there is any
Speaker 6: thread of a chance, we can ask the governor to
Speaker 6: at least postpone the execution.
Speaker 9: Or commute the sentence to life in prison.
Speaker 6: Julian, where are you going now?
Speaker 3: Every minute we sit here sixty seconds less of Finch's life.
Speaker 7: What do we need? More proof, more evidence that it
Speaker 7: wasn't Finch you murdered the Hadley brothers.
Speaker 9: We need something more than circumstantial.
Speaker 7: Did you find out where to tech to? Smith's car was.
Speaker 6: Found waiting on a callback as we speak, Dina, Hey,
Speaker 6: look at me.
Speaker 2: I'm close.
Speaker 5: I am so goddamn close. I can smell them. Don't
Speaker 5: give up.
Speaker 8: The moss seems tired with the clean inside tells these
Speaker 8: tells these.
Speaker 11: There was no piece of evidence that was never recounted
Speaker 11: for five births found under Thomas Hadley's fingernails.
Speaker 4: Red wolf.
Speaker 11: Maybe Griff Washington's dog had a red collar on or something,
Speaker 11: but if it did, the red collar was never found.
Speaker 11: So where did the red wolf come from?
Speaker 8: To the true to the.
Speaker 4: Two boys are dead? These are good people. They just
Speaker 4: want justice.
Speaker 10: And I would think that you, of all people, would
Speaker 10: be able to relate to that.
Speaker 12: Solomon Sheriff, I.
Speaker 4: Know what killed my boy.
Speaker 8: Somebody's feeling how they know? We'll see the bird.
Speaker 4: When you He couldn't exactly trust the sharer of soltis.
Speaker 6: So whatever Solomon Smith knew, he took that intol with him.
Speaker 4: Where was he last seen? Not sure.
Speaker 6: That on his car though, about a decade ago, just
Speaker 6: north of here. I think maybe I can dig up
Speaker 6: the police report.
Speaker 4: Did you find it?
Speaker 13: Hello?
Speaker 7: Did you find the interview?
Speaker 8: Good timing?
Speaker 13: You're ready to take a few questions like.
Speaker 5: The interview, the interview with Detective Smith two thousand and seven,
Speaker 5: It would have been late June or early July.
Speaker 13: You mean the one where he tried to expose Sheriff
Speaker 13: Hooper for targeting.
Speaker 7: Jamis despite other leaders.
Speaker 5: The one he gave before he vanished mysterious.
Speaker 2: That would be the ones did you find it?
Speaker 14: I did, and I digitized it right here on this
Speaker 14: thumb drive.
Speaker 7: WHOA, now, hold on, not just yet? Deal's deal huh.
Speaker 5: First, let's get your interviewing hug this, lamp up your
Speaker 5: ass and plug it in.
Speaker 15: Okay, okay, okay, gee, maybe maybe a new buck board,
Speaker 15: a piece and.
Speaker 7: You or something.
Speaker 4: Think about it.
Speaker 12: Seasoned detectives understand they must take a step back and
Speaker 12: look at the whole picture and exhaust all investigative avenue
Speaker 12: used to present the best case they can to the
Speaker 12: district attorney.
Speaker 4: And didn't you do that with James Cincher? Absolutely not.
Speaker 4: It was nearly impossible to narrow the focus to him.
Speaker 2: When there are still other suspects on the board.
Speaker 7: Other suspects.
Speaker 4: Can you tell us who?
Speaker 2: Off the record?
Speaker 14: Okay, okay, fine, yeah, off the record. I'm still interested
Speaker 14: in the boys who found the bodies. They were both
Speaker 14: absent from school the same day the Hadley boys went missing.
Speaker 9: Tyler Wilson and Julian Salis, but Sallace gave you information
Speaker 9: that led to James Finzer.
Speaker 14: He told Sheriff Hooper, and that boy was so scared
Speaker 14: and sleep deprived and hungry, he would have told Hooper
Speaker 14: that Fincher shot JFK if that's what Hooper wanted.
Speaker 9: So are you suggesting that Solace was.
Speaker 2: Coerced by by Hooper and his father?
Speaker 14: His father, Paul Solace, is still a person of interest
Speaker 14: in my book.
Speaker 16: And you believe these are more likely suspects than James Fincher.
Speaker 14: It doesn't matter what I believe, It matters what I know.
Speaker 14: I know these are suspects of no alibi. Suspects were
Speaker 14: a clear motive. That's not the only difference. What's the
Speaker 14: other difference?
Speaker 2: These suspects are white?
Speaker 10: So now you're playing the race card.
Speaker 15: Tell me the truth.
Speaker 14: That's what this is really about.
Speaker 7: Being with you.
Speaker 14: Goddamn right, it is, and it should be for you too.
Speaker 14: Why do you think I'm doing this interview? Where the
Speaker 14: hell are you guys in all this? Where's the goddamn
Speaker 14: investigative journalism? All you jokers do is report what Hooper
Speaker 14: tells you as if it's the truth. You ain't the press,
Speaker 14: your mouthpiece for the local authorities.
Speaker 17: Well, that's offensive.
Speaker 2: I've never gone to the press before. Never. I'm giving
Speaker 2: you a massive window here. This is a national story.
Speaker 12: This is a chance to redeem yourselves, an opportunity to
Speaker 12: embrace a little journalistic integrity for a change, to do
Speaker 12: your fucking job. So take it or leave it, because
Speaker 12: I'm going to the Times next.
Speaker 7: Jew I've got it you ready.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Tomman's car was found at the bottom of Spounding
Speaker 6: Gorge below Madison Road.
Speaker 4: Matthewston, Yeah, right.
Speaker 6: As mom mark of thirteen, a hunter founded apparently. Let's
Speaker 6: see the reporters from October twenty tenth, about three years.
Speaker 7: At the Smithson miss did you see Matheson?
Speaker 6: Yeah, my Mark at thirteen. The car was rusted out,
Speaker 6: maybe went off the side of the road. I mean
Speaker 6: that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Happens every year on these wide mountain.
Speaker 6: Roads, you know, but normally they find the driver too.
Speaker 4: It was definitely registered to detect a Smith Matthison. Yester,
Speaker 4: you didn't why that's where we lived, my dad.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm nur distant road right around the ben there,
Speaker 5: just past my mark at thirteen.
Speaker 7: It's Wednesday, still August eleventh. I think I'm driving up.
Speaker 5: The Mountain uh Matthison Road, and I feel it again,
Speaker 5: the pull, like I'm leaning over an endless abyss.
Speaker 7: And the fog beat me here. But it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7: I could drive this road blindfolded. I know it like
Speaker 7: my own skin.
Speaker 18: I'm trying to comprehend how it's possible, but I can't
Speaker 18: deny this. Everything is pointing directly at it, at him.
Speaker 1: My father.
Speaker 5: In two thousand and seven, his life was in turmoil.
Speaker 5: He had been grieving Mom's death for less than a year.
Speaker 5: The hospital bills were crippling Jesus. He cursed our poverty
Speaker 5: every day, and it was no secret in our house
Speaker 5: that he despised Bobby Hadley. Then he sees me getting
Speaker 5: tormented by Bobby Hadley's sons. They cornered me in the library,
Speaker 5: beat me up, scissor my hair off, and later that
Speaker 5: same week, my dad was fired, fired from his job
Speaker 5: at the Hadley Dealership, a job he'd had my whole life.
Speaker 5: My God, if anyone had a motive to kill, detect
Speaker 5: to Smith. He was on my dad's trail, and Smith's
Speaker 5: car was found at the bottom of the gorge.
Speaker 7: Directly below our old house. Maybe it was just a coincidence,
Speaker 7: maybe another devil's prank.
Speaker 5: Or maybe my father just snapped. The world is a
Speaker 5: dark and unjust place where the cowards and the cruel
Speaker 5: ragin supreme, and so maybe he snapped.
Speaker 2: And we're here.
Speaker 5: The drive is overgrown.
Speaker 16: It's uh, it's been a lot of years since anyone
Speaker 16: probably came down this way.
Speaker 5: But uh, this is that.
Speaker 19: Wear here where m This is a ground zero for
Speaker 19: my existence, this place.
Speaker 16: Where I was born, where I grew up, where my
Speaker 16: mother died, where my house stood before it was guarded
Speaker 16: by fire. It burned almost to the ground as soon
Speaker 16: as I left here.
Speaker 5: Jesus, Oh, Jesus Christ. There was not much left, just
Speaker 5: blackened and rotting remains of the house. I saw the
Speaker 5: pictures after it first burned, a hollow shell, windows blown out,
Speaker 5: like an empty, leering skull. Now it's caved in, brick ruins,
Speaker 5: overtaken with Thignes and Kutzu. It's hard to explain what
Speaker 5: I saw in that moment, more than a shadow, less
Speaker 5: than a person, the gray man down by the southwest
Speaker 5: corner of the house, behind the trees.
Speaker 20: What what the fuck do you want?
Speaker 7: He was most no reaction at all.
Speaker 5: Why are you following me, just stood there in the shadows.
Speaker 5: As I moved closer, he became obscure by this huge,
Speaker 5: gnarled oak tree there, the same one that once held
Speaker 5: a swing where my mother used to push me. It
Speaker 5: was just a blink an instance. As I came around
Speaker 5: the curved drive, he was gone. Any other time I'd
Speaker 5: have excused it as a trick of the light. The
Speaker 5: cloud gusts surged along the ridge of forty miles an hour,
Speaker 5: strange movement everywhere, the mind playing its games.
Speaker 21: But I knew better.
Speaker 5: I walked to the oak tree. The rope of the
Speaker 5: tire swing and long since broken, and the rubber tire
Speaker 5: was almost completely buried under dirtant leaves. But there was
Speaker 5: something else there lying on the ground.
Speaker 8: Oh my god.
Speaker 7: Then I saw it.
Speaker 5: The scarf, my mom's red scarf. You gotta be fucking
Speaker 5: kidding me. I could feel the gray man's eyes on me.
Speaker 7: I scanned the woods, hoping he would turn his gray stare,
Speaker 7: but he was nowhere to be found.
Speaker 5: I circled the yard, then, tracing the shadows that stretched
Speaker 5: into the woods, but he was gone. Instead, my eyes
Speaker 5: fixed on a small, half rotten wooden door leading to
Speaker 5: the cross space, under the buried ruins and the foundation
Speaker 5: of the house that was still intact.
Speaker 13: I crawled in.
Speaker 5: It was pitch black. I turned on the flashlight on
Speaker 5: my phone and raised it into the darkness, damp earth
Speaker 5: covered in animals catting debris. The floor joists and hartwood
Speaker 5: pond floorboards that withstood the fire, but they were rotten
Speaker 5: and sagging downward, making a low space feel perilously tight.
Speaker 5: Something scurried for the back end of the darkness, just
Speaker 5: at a range of my flashlight. I panted across the
Speaker 5: space until until something glinted in the darkness in a
Speaker 5: far corner, just enough light to catch the eye. Damn it,
Speaker 5: I could feel it. This place, just below where I'd
Speaker 5: spent my youth.
Speaker 7: It was a place of death.
Speaker 5: The earth was black and wet and harbored, no life
Speaker 5: except for a large growth of mushrooms there in the
Speaker 5: furthest corner of the cross space, where the brick had
Speaker 5: crumbled away, perhaps allow on some sunlight through in the daytime.
Speaker 5: The earth around it was sunken in and the fungus
Speaker 5: seemed to bloom from there. I crawled on my belly,
Speaker 5: inch by painful inch. The dampness seeping into my bones.
Speaker 7: And other worldly chill.
Speaker 5: A strange breeze making its way through the cracks of
Speaker 5: the broken house above reminded.
Speaker 7: Me of the breath of the caves.
Speaker 5: Then I saw what looked like a leather a container
Speaker 5: jutting from the sunken earth.
Speaker 21: I dug.
Speaker 5: The soil was loose here in the sunken spot, not
Speaker 5: tamped down by time like the rest of the ground
Speaker 5: in the space, someone had dug here. The angle was
Speaker 5: difficult lying down, My shoulders cramped and fingernails got caked
Speaker 5: with earth.
Speaker 7: But finally, yeah, something emerged. It was a holstered gun,
Speaker 7: still attached to its owner.
Speaker 5: It was at long before I uncovered the black cloth
Speaker 5: of a suit coat, tattered and rotten, but still intact.
Speaker 7: And it wasn't long after that that I unearthed the
Speaker 7: bones ribs vertebrate.
Speaker 5: I traced the coat sleeves to the scalpetal remains of
Speaker 5: a hand. There I found a wristwatching a ring, Dad,
Speaker 5: what did you do? Most importantly, I noticed there was
Speaker 5: something bulging from the inside coat pocket, a small cassette player.
Speaker 7: Mostly preserved in the silk.
Speaker 5: Lining in folds of cloth. I crawled back out with
Speaker 5: all the contents of the bag.
Speaker 7: I set the red.
Speaker 5: Scarf down on the passenger seat, I put the nine
Speaker 5: millimeter pistol in the club box, and I carefully started
Speaker 5: the cassette player.
Speaker 4: Joe twenty fourth, two thousand and seven. They captured their monsters.
Speaker 19: Dammit what.
Speaker 22: Joe twenty fourth, two thousand and seven, they captured their mossia.
Speaker 22: Yesterday James Fincher was arrested and charged with a double homicide.
Speaker 22: And I'm still not satisfied. I drove back up Roots
Speaker 22: seventeen to the caves to take the motion sense of cams.
Speaker 4: This morning. They picked up a few visitors paying respect.
Speaker 22: They left flowers and burned candles at the front of
Speaker 22: the cave, but only one visitor looked familiar. The motion
Speaker 22: sensor caught him moving through the shadows, no flashlight, and
Speaker 22: the night vision is grainy. But he's a He's a
Speaker 22: tall man, beard, baseball recover rolls, scarfed.
Speaker 4: He didn't leave any flowers.
Speaker 22: First time the camera picked him up was June sixteenth.
Speaker 4: Saturday, midnight.
Speaker 22: One month after the Hadley Boys went missing, same day
Speaker 22: of the week, same time of day, and here he
Speaker 22: is again. One week later, Saturday, June twenty third, midnight
Speaker 22: and he ain't leaving no flowers. Someone's coming up the drive.
Speaker 21: Hello, Sheriff, what could you possibly want? And you brought backup,
Speaker 21: Sheriff Hooper.
Speaker 2: To what do I.
Speaker 4: Owe this on?
Speaker 10: I'm just here to talk, Solomon.
Speaker 2: Oh, we're on first name basis again. Now are we?
Speaker 10: Can I come in?
Speaker 2: You don't see why not?
Speaker 10: I am here as a courtesy Detective Smith.
Speaker 2: Uh huh?
Speaker 10: Go on, Now, we do things a certain way here
Speaker 10: in Pottsfield, Detective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm aware.
Speaker 10: And you going to the press as a big fucking problem.
Speaker 10: For one thing, it undermines our process.
Speaker 14: It also pains your investigation in a certain light that
Speaker 14: could endanger your ability to put an innocent boy on
Speaker 14: death road.
Speaker 10: Goddamn it, Solomon, I know to Solomon, all right, you
Speaker 10: listen to me, Detective you are office.
Speaker 23: You listen, your spinest motherfucker. You got a boy, a
Speaker 23: boy locked up for a crime he didn't fucking commit,
Speaker 23: says fucking you, And I will continue to investigate.
Speaker 14: Hell you as a private citizen playing with fire boy.
Speaker 24: Ah, there it is.
Speaker 2: You see.
Speaker 14: It doesn't take much to shake the demons and drive
Speaker 14: them into the fire.
Speaker 2: Did you say.
Speaker 10: I think that it would be best.
Speaker 4: If you move on.
Speaker 10: Leave our town.
Speaker 2: That a threat.
Speaker 10: Let's just say, in Maniwauk County, things happen a certain way.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm aware.
Speaker 10: All right, Detective Smith, things happen here to people who
Speaker 10: dig and try as I might, the best I can
Speaker 10: do is to curtail those things.
Speaker 2: What the hell are you saying, Kirby, that you can't
Speaker 2: control the good old boy.
Speaker 10: No, it's more than that. There's something about this place,
Speaker 10: something in the fog. I could never put my finger
Speaker 10: on it, even after a whole life spent here, and
Speaker 10: god knows I have tried. And it's not just your
Speaker 10: normal small town bigotry. I mean, now, obviously that's here too,
Speaker 10: but there's something deeper. It's a rot. Beneath the rot,
Speaker 10: people who try to suss it out, bad things happen.
Speaker 2: Look, if you're going to threaten me, just do it.
Speaker 4: That ain't it, Solomon.
Speaker 10: Look I do respect you, Detective Smith, genuinely, I admire you.
Speaker 10: And I don't know for sure about the Fencer kid,
Speaker 10: but I do know for sure that he was involved
Speaker 10: and all he'd have to do to throw us off
Speaker 10: his scent would be to talk. That's it, and he won't.
Speaker 2: And why do you think that is?
Speaker 10: Well, I know what you're thinking, that he's scared of me.
Speaker 10: But Detective, it's more he feels what I do. There's
Speaker 10: something deeper here, something beyond his control and beyond mind.
Speaker 10: All I can do is try to keep it in check.
Speaker 2: That's some vague shit, Sheriff.
Speaker 10: You haven't felt it, Yeah, yeah, you have.
Speaker 14: Give me one more night, Detective, Sheriff, one more to
Speaker 14: tie up a couple of loose ends.
Speaker 2: We visit a few ideas. If I don't find what
Speaker 2: I need, I'll be gone by dawn. Won't even say goodbye.
Speaker 2: It'll be like I was never even here.
Speaker 13: Where are you gonna go?
Speaker 10: You got family somewhere.
Speaker 14: They're all long gone. Only brother died a few years back.
Speaker 14: Our next wife, who hates my guts.
Speaker 10: Been there.
Speaker 2: I'll bet.
Speaker 21: All right, fine, fine, old billy voodoo bullshit.
Speaker 25: Sorry, Kirby, but I ain't going nowhere. Saturday, June thirtieth,
Speaker 25: two thousand and seven, seven twenty am, I'm heading Upstate
Speaker 25: Route seventeen to the Griff Washington property. Richard Rydale couldn't
Speaker 25: hide forever, even in a major metravelers like Atlanta a
Speaker 25: concrete jungle. But this is a different environment, this backwater
Speaker 25: delivering shithole. The population of all Man of Walk County
Speaker 25: is less than three percent that of Atlanta.
Speaker 13: But the method works the scale, just follow the patterns.
Speaker 13: A killers returned eventually to the scene of the crime.
Speaker 13: Got my tent, a good sleeping bag, all the food
Speaker 13: I need. We're gonna live in a cave for a while,
Speaker 13: called a stakeout. Radell returned to the scene of his
Speaker 13: greatest night. I'm sure whoever killed those Hadley boys were
Speaker 13: return again too, just like he did last Saturday and
Speaker 13: the Saturday before that.
Speaker 4: June thirtieth and eleven fifty two. Perm got ahead.
Speaker 22: Hard to make him out, but he's down there at
Speaker 22: the mouth of the caves. He looks about six one,
Speaker 22: about two hundred and maybe ten coveralls, baseball.
Speaker 4: Cap ride on time, motherfucker. Now what exactly the hell
Speaker 4: are you doing here?
Speaker 21: Wait a minute, Wait a.
Speaker 4: Minute, he's on his knees praying. Nope, not a good look.
Speaker 22: July first, one, eleven AM made my way back to
Speaker 22: the road ahead of the subject. Mister Midnight Prayer found
Speaker 22: his truck here talked in, turned about a few hundred
Speaker 22: meters up the road and waited ret the corn got
Speaker 22: his plates. Sunday, July first.
Speaker 15: Nine am.
Speaker 22: I couldn't risk following a midnight man on Route seventeen
Speaker 22: or two am.
Speaker 4: There's no way he wouldn't know he was being followed.
Speaker 4: Ran the plates.
Speaker 22: Though the truck is registered to one Paul Solace. I
Speaker 22: ain't very interesting incidence, oh son. Julian happened to be
Speaker 22: one of our first suspects, and Julian is the one
Speaker 22: who found the bodies. And it was Julian who pointed
Speaker 22: the finger at James Fincher. I guess I'm gonna need
Speaker 22: to have a chat.
Speaker 4: With old Paul. Hello, missus Sutlers catch Smith.
Speaker 24: Sorry I didn't hear the door right away. I don't
Speaker 24: get too many visitors. It's all good. Look I you
Speaker 24: for more information. I'm afraid Julian has said everything he's know,
Speaker 24: so no.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I just I just need to I
Speaker 4: just need to use your phone, my phone, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: need to call Triple A.
Speaker 22: My car just blew a couple of tires on that
Speaker 22: sharp curve down the road there.
Speaker 24: Yeah, I care, what's got more than if.
Speaker 15: You drivers a headache.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Please come in this way. How's your boy.
Speaker 15: Fine?
Speaker 4: You there yesterday? Sem a vacation. I think he.
Speaker 15: He needs to get away from all this. You know,
Speaker 15: he's a starting college in a couple of months. It's
Speaker 15: uh one of all these moving boxes. Where were you,
Speaker 15: head of Detective?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 14: Now, I'm going away too, actually, way out of Pottsville moving.
Speaker 15: Yeah, sorry to hear it. I'm just I guess your
Speaker 15: work is done. What's up the prosecution guys? Now, Detective Smith,
Speaker 15: we are all grateful the expertise you brought to the case.
Speaker 15: I hope you feel good about the results of your efforts.
Speaker 2: Well, it's been a complicated one, that's for certain.
Speaker 15: Phone through here in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 15: I'm just going to see a man about a horse
Speaker 15: real quick. You want to coffee or something out yourself?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Thanks?
Speaker 21: All right, Well I'll be goddamn christ scissors.
Speaker 4: What you got there?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 14: It looks like an old scarf just to afford it
Speaker 14: here in this moving.
Speaker 15: Bob, Please put that down. That's special to me.
Speaker 2: Missus Solace. Do you know why we suspected your son, Julian?
Speaker 4: No, I do not.
Speaker 14: Simple First he was absent from Carter High on May eighteenth.
Speaker 14: And see only four students were absent that day, Deacon
Speaker 14: and Thomas Hadley. Of course, that was the day they
Speaker 14: went missing. The other two were Tyler Wilson and Julian.
Speaker 15: I told Hooper, Julian was with me that day. We
Speaker 15: went to the cemetery that morning to pay her respects.
Speaker 15: Julian's mother was later rest early that year.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm sorry for your loss. The other reason
Speaker 2: Julian was the.
Speaker 14: Suspect was this year book picture here Tyler Wilson, James
Speaker 14: Fincher and Julian. When I saw the scoff Julian's wearing
Speaker 14: in this picture, it all made sense. This is the
Speaker 14: same wool scarf here in my hand, I believe, And.
Speaker 2: You see here where it's been stretched and torn.
Speaker 14: Missus Sullis, I have a little hunched matches the fabric
Speaker 14: found at the crime scene. Red wool fibers. It's like
Speaker 14: the ones found under Thomas Hadley's fingernails.
Speaker 15: That's my scarf the wife n did before she died.
Speaker 15: Red was a favorite color.
Speaker 2: And what about these.
Speaker 14: When my wife's so and says, why would so and
Speaker 14: scissors have blood? On them, mister Saulas, But I've been
Speaker 14: doing this for a while. I know what it is
Speaker 14: when I see it that there is dried blood.
Speaker 15: Turn around, face of sink.
Speaker 4: You gonna shoot me? Paul, Please turn around.
Speaker 2: Look.
Speaker 14: I know what it's like I do to have a
Speaker 14: son who is bullied, daddy.
Speaker 2: Why is everyone being mean to me?
Speaker 14: That's what my boy asked me when he was only
Speaker 14: five years old.
Speaker 2: And it got worse if only I could have seen it.
Speaker 14: By the time he was in high school, he was
Speaker 14: completely isolated. I thought something was wrong with him. I
Speaker 14: also bullied him, shamed him because I was disappointed that
Speaker 14: he was so weak.
Speaker 2: I thought he just needed to man up, thought he
Speaker 2: needed tough love.
Speaker 14: No matter how many times I screamed at him, you
Speaker 14: are better than them, it only made him more isolated,
Speaker 14: made him feel even more let down.
Speaker 2: And the truth is he was a disappointment.
Speaker 14: Fuck it, I'll say it, might as well say to
Speaker 14: the man who's got a gunpointed at me.
Speaker 2: And my boy knew it.
Speaker 26: Too, knew I was I was disappointed at him, knew
Speaker 26: I would never accept him for who he was, and
Speaker 26: it only made him feel more unlovable. Sound familiar hmm,
Speaker 26: Because my own son was bullied too, bullied so bad
Speaker 26: he actually.
Speaker 2: Took his own life.
Speaker 27: So I understand as a father, it makes you want
Speaker 27: to kill, don't it.
Speaker 15: Just walk, turn around and walk the back door the house.
Speaker 14: These nasty, spoiled fuckers dumber's dirt, giving your boy a regular.
Speaker 2: Beatdown, and you were powerless to stop it. Couldn't do shit.
Speaker 14: Until you could, until you had no choice. That's why
Speaker 14: you got fired from the Hadley Dealership, ain't it. You
Speaker 14: went to have a chat with Bobby Hadley, man the man,
Speaker 14: to see about getting his boys to stop kicking the
Speaker 14: shit out of your kid, Julian, but you lost your temper.
Speaker 14: You threatened him and he canned your ass, didn't he
Speaker 14: After twenty motherfucking years, and.
Speaker 2: You ain't rich like him.
Speaker 14: You got to work to pay for the way up
Speaker 14: for your son so he don't end up just like you.
Speaker 14: I'm a be able to pay for medical bills and
Speaker 14: funeral costs after your wife died that horrible.
Speaker 20: Slow death, leaving you with nothing nothing but your son,
Speaker 20: Julian and this red wolf scarf. What God damn it, Nah,
Speaker 20: I'm not gonna do it. I ain't going out back.
Speaker 14: Shit, don't look at me like that. I'm standing here
Speaker 14: holding evidence while you point a shotgun at me.
Speaker 4: Man, I know.
Speaker 14: Which way the wind is blowing, and I ain't going
Speaker 14: out like that.
Speaker 15: Damn you're smart, but you are one hair offer.
Speaker 4: Ben.
Speaker 15: I'm on the business side of this barrel and you
Speaker 15: are still making demands.
Speaker 2: Ye goddamn right.
Speaker 14: If you're gonna kill me, I'm not gonna let you
Speaker 14: do it outside. It's gonna be right here in the
Speaker 14: middle of your home, where you'll have to scrub the
Speaker 14: fucking cheap bass linoleum to get the blood and bones
Speaker 14: and fragments out. Well, you'll have to use stain blocker
Speaker 14: and plaster over pellet holes where you'll have to see
Speaker 14: my ghosts every fucking morning when you pour your couple
Speaker 14: of weak ass folders and eat your scrambled fucking eggs.
Speaker 15: Please, dear, no, no, please, I don't want to have
Speaker 15: you can't you have to, goddamn it.
Speaker 13: This is the choice.
Speaker 2: You are making, a choice you.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 14: You can put the gun down and come quietly with
Speaker 14: or you can shoot me dead in the middle of
Speaker 14: this house, the one you bought with your wife, the
Speaker 14: one you wake up nights for your boy, hoping he's
Speaker 14: ever gonna come back at all. But I'm sure as
Speaker 14: hell they ain't gonna be an accessory to my own
Speaker 14: murder by making it easy on you.
Speaker 4: So which is it?
Speaker 7: Huh?
Speaker 2: What's it gonna be?
Speaker 17: Paul Hi, Paul Solace, you are under harress. You have
Speaker 17: the right to.
Speaker 8: Remain the ghosten Emir and the Hounds of Hell. Dan
Speaker 8: send in your vinzend and.
Speaker 28: The Man Walk Caves stars Jonathan Tucker as Julian Sallace,
Speaker 28: Eddie Gatheggy as James Fincher, Clark Peters as Detective Solomon Smith,
Speaker 28: Nick Cercy as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin Welborn as Tyler Wilson,
Speaker 28: Jill Jane Clements as Jill Campbell, Brad Carter as Doodlee Tappert,
Speaker 28: Scott Poythrus as Reverend Perkins, Samantha Ashley as Dina Fincher,
Speaker 28: Justin Matthew Smith as Paul Sawace, Tara Oaks as Laura Sawas,
Speaker 28: Jonathan Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden Karanovich as Thomas Hadley,
Speaker 28: Mike w Anderson as Griff Washington, Body Walter Off as
Speaker 28: Jimmy Fincher, Brian McClure as Ian Speaks, Larry Clark as
Speaker 28: Bobby Hadley, Payden Fallis as Ed LeBlanc, Vic Palisis as
Speaker 28: William Fowler, Nick Takosky as Richard Rydell, and Aileen Loy
Speaker 28: as The Darkness, with additional performances by Clint McGowan, Dina Dill,
Speaker 28: Edward Howard, Henry Foster Brown, Jamie Joseph, Juan Monsalvez, Christopher Curry,
Speaker 28: Bailey Hineman, David Mitchell, and Bernard Sataro Clark. Created by
Speaker 28: ConL Byrne and Dan Bush. Written by Dan Bush, Zoe
Speaker 28: Cooper and Nicholas Dakosky, featuring our theme song Killer Inside,
Speaker 28: written produced and performed by Lerea Lynn. Our executive producers
Speaker 28: are Matt Frederick, Alexander Williams, Michael Monty, and Courtney du Frees.
Speaker 28: Our executive producers at Blumhouse Television are Jeremy Gold, Chris
Speaker 28: Dickey and Noah Fine. Produced by Dan Bush, music by
Speaker 28: Ben Lovett, Additional music by Alexander Rodriguez, edited by Dan Bush,
Speaker 28: Chris Childs, Stephen Perez and David Chen. Sound design by
Speaker 28: Benjamin Malcolm. Additional sound design by Alexander Rodriguez. Dialogue editing
Speaker 28: and sound mixing by Jant Campos. Recorded at Studio Awesome
Speaker 28: in Los Angeles, Sound by Studio in Atlanta and Echo
Speaker 28: Mountain in Ashville. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy and Meg Mormon.
Speaker 28: Our dialect coach is Linda Bessesti, Assistant director, Michael Monty,
Speaker 28: second assistant director, script supervisor and production coordinator Sarah Klein.
Speaker 28: Supervising producer Josh Thain. Special thanks to Mary Ellen and
Speaker 28: Jason Davis, Jonathan Dieter, and Joe Rickman. The Manowac Caves
Speaker 28: is a production of iHeart Radio, Blumhouse Television, and Psycopia Pictures.
Speaker 8: Superb said the Boy
Speaker 13: Flying