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I know you too, 16 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 6: were close back in the day. 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 5: I don't understand it. I guess you lost this shit. 18 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 5: I don't know. Or maybe he was the same one 19 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 5: and it's the rest of us that they're completely insane. 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 7: Either way, Tyler. 21 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 5: Knew something something we don't not yet. 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 6: Anyway, how about you, are you taking care of yourself? 23 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: What do you mean? 24 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 6: Do you have a psychiatrist. 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 8: Where'd you disappear too last night that you were win? 26 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: Hey? 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm sorry. I couldn't sleep so I wouldn't 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 5: get in my car. How's Jimmy? Good morning? 29 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 9: I thank you all for coming. 30 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 8: Well, what is it then? 31 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 9: I'm sorry. There's no easy way to tell you what. 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 9: They rejected our appeal. 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 6: Fucker's why, Dana hold on? I'm sorry, mister Leblant, But 34 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 6: did we miss the dead No? 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 9: No, Look, we made the deadline by the skin of 36 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 9: our teeth. But they still rejected the claim. Why lacking 37 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 9: in merit? 38 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,399 Speaker 6: The fuck does that mean the testimony of the key 39 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 6: witness was coerced? They found new evidence the. 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 10: Next and all the suspicious shit with Tyler Shirley. 41 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 6: There's an error. 42 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 9: Look, we knew it was a long shot. That they 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 9: even read or applied to the brief as a goddamn miracle. 44 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 9: The State Supreme Court does not have to take the case, 45 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 9: and in this instance they simply let the appellate Court's 46 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 9: decisions stand. Okay, we anticipated this and we had to 47 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 9: do it to exhaust all possible appeals. 48 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 4: And the good news is that they. 49 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 9: Got back to us and read a short order Okay, 50 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 9: they could have sat on it until the last minute. 51 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 9: But as it stands now, we still have time to 52 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 9: ask for clemency. We can still make a request to 53 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 9: the governor for relief from the death sentence. 54 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 6: Do you know the governor? 55 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 8: I know somebody that knows the governor who Bobby Hadley. 56 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 6: That's right, there's a situation with mister Hadley and Dina, 57 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 6: a situation. 58 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 4: That's right. 59 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 6: He may be incentivized to make a personal appeal on 60 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 6: James Fincher's. 61 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: Behalf encouraging, and I for. 62 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 6: One am not giving up. Not if there is any 63 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 6: thread of a chance, we can ask the governor to 64 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 6: at least postpone the execution. 65 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 9: Or commute the sentence to life in prison. 66 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 6: Julian, where are you going now? 67 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: Every minute we sit here sixty seconds less of Finch's life. 68 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 7: What do we need? More proof, more evidence that it 69 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 7: wasn't Finch you murdered the Hadley brothers. 70 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 9: We need something more than circumstantial. 71 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 7: Did you find out where to tech to? Smith's car was. 72 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 6: Found waiting on a callback as we speak, Dina, Hey, 73 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 6: look at me. 74 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: I'm close. 75 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 5: I am so goddamn close. I can smell them. Don't 76 00:03:59,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 5: give up. 77 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 8: The moss seems tired with the clean inside tells these 78 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 8: tells these. 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 11: There was no piece of evidence that was never recounted 80 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 11: for five births found under Thomas Hadley's fingernails. 81 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 4: Red wolf. 82 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 11: Maybe Griff Washington's dog had a red collar on or something, 83 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 11: but if it did, the red collar was never found. 84 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 11: So where did the red wolf come from? 85 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 8: To the true to the. 86 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 4: Two boys are dead? These are good people. They just 87 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 4: want justice. 88 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 10: And I would think that you, of all people, would 89 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 10: be able to relate to that. 90 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 12: Solomon Sheriff, I. 91 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 4: Know what killed my boy. 92 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 8: Somebody's feeling how they know? We'll see the bird. 93 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 4: When you He couldn't exactly trust the sharer of soltis. 94 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 6: So whatever Solomon Smith knew, he took that intol with him. 95 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 4: Where was he last seen? Not sure. 96 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 6: That on his car though, about a decade ago, just 97 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 6: north of here. I think maybe I can dig up 98 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 6: the police report. 99 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 4: Did you find it? 100 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 13: Hello? 101 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 7: Did you find the interview? 102 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 8: Good timing? 103 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 13: You're ready to take a few questions like. 104 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 5: The interview, the interview with Detective Smith two thousand and seven, 105 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 5: It would have been late June or early July. 106 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 13: You mean the one where he tried to expose Sheriff 107 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 13: Hooper for targeting. 108 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 7: Jamis despite other leaders. 109 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 5: The one he gave before he vanished mysterious. 110 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: That would be the ones did you find it? 111 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 14: I did, and I digitized it right here on this 112 00:06:59,400 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 14: thumb drive. 113 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 7: WHOA, now, hold on, not just yet? Deal's deal huh. 114 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 5: First, let's get your interviewing hug this, lamp up your 115 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 5: ass and plug it in. 116 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 15: Okay, okay, okay, gee, maybe maybe a new buck board, 117 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 15: a piece and. 118 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 7: You or something. 119 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 4: Think about it. 120 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 12: Seasoned detectives understand they must take a step back and 121 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 12: look at the whole picture and exhaust all investigative avenue 122 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 12: used to present the best case they can to the 123 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 12: district attorney. 124 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 4: And didn't you do that with James Cincher? Absolutely not. 125 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 4: It was nearly impossible to narrow the focus to him. 126 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: When there are still other suspects on the board. 127 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 7: Other suspects. 128 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 4: Can you tell us who? 129 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: Off the record? 130 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 14: Okay, okay, fine, yeah, off the record. I'm still interested 131 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 14: in the boys who found the bodies. They were both 132 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 14: absent from school the same day the Hadley boys went missing. 133 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 9: Tyler Wilson and Julian Salis, but Sallace gave you information 134 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 9: that led to James Finzer. 135 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 14: He told Sheriff Hooper, and that boy was so scared 136 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 14: and sleep deprived and hungry, he would have told Hooper 137 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 14: that Fincher shot JFK if that's what Hooper wanted. 138 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 9: So are you suggesting that Solace was. 139 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: Coerced by by Hooper and his father? 140 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 14: His father, Paul Solace, is still a person of interest 141 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 14: in my book. 142 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 16: And you believe these are more likely suspects than James Fincher. 143 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 14: It doesn't matter what I believe, It matters what I know. 144 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 14: I know these are suspects of no alibi. Suspects were 145 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 14: a clear motive. That's not the only difference. What's the 146 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 14: other difference? 147 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: These suspects are white? 148 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 10: So now you're playing the race card. 149 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 15: Tell me the truth. 150 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 14: That's what this is really about. 151 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 7: Being with you. 152 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 14: Goddamn right, it is, and it should be for you too. 153 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 14: Why do you think I'm doing this interview? Where the 154 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 14: hell are you guys in all this? Where's the goddamn 155 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 14: investigative journalism? All you jokers do is report what Hooper 156 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 14: tells you as if it's the truth. You ain't the press, 157 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 14: your mouthpiece for the local authorities. 158 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 17: Well, that's offensive. 159 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: I've never gone to the press before. Never. I'm giving 160 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 2: you a massive window here. This is a national story. 161 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 12: This is a chance to redeem yourselves, an opportunity to 162 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 12: embrace a little journalistic integrity for a change, to do 163 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 12: your fucking job. So take it or leave it, because 164 00:09:43,000 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 12: I'm going to the Times next. 165 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 7: Jew I've got it you ready. 166 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, Tomman's car was found at the bottom of Spounding 167 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 6: Gorge below Madison Road. 168 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: Matthewston, Yeah, right. 169 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 6: As mom mark of thirteen, a hunter founded apparently. Let's 170 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 6: see the reporters from October twenty tenth, about three years. 171 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 7: At the Smithson miss did you see Matheson? 172 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, my Mark at thirteen. The car was rusted out, 173 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 6: maybe went off the side of the road. I mean 174 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 6: that kind of thing. 175 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 4: Happens every year on these wide mountain. 176 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 6: Roads, you know, but normally they find the driver too. 177 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 4: It was definitely registered to detect a Smith Matthison. Yester, 178 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 4: you didn't why that's where we lived, my dad. 179 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm nur distant road right around the ben there, 180 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 5: just past my mark at thirteen. 181 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 7: It's Wednesday, still August eleventh. I think I'm driving up. 182 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 5: The Mountain uh Matthison Road, and I feel it again, 183 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 5: the pull, like I'm leaning over an endless abyss. 184 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 7: And the fog beat me here. But it doesn't matter. 185 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 7: I could drive this road blindfolded. I know it like 186 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 7: my own skin. 187 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 18: I'm trying to comprehend how it's possible, but I can't 188 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 18: deny this. Everything is pointing directly at it, at him. 189 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: My father. 190 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 5: In two thousand and seven, his life was in turmoil. 191 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 5: He had been grieving Mom's death for less than a year. 192 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 5: The hospital bills were crippling Jesus. He cursed our poverty 193 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 5: every day, and it was no secret in our house 194 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 5: that he despised Bobby Hadley. Then he sees me getting 195 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 5: tormented by Bobby Hadley's sons. They cornered me in the library, 196 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 5: beat me up, scissor my hair off, and later that 197 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 5: same week, my dad was fired, fired from his job 198 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 5: at the Hadley Dealership, a job he'd had my whole life. 199 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 5: My God, if anyone had a motive to kill, detect 200 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 5: to Smith. He was on my dad's trail, and Smith's 201 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 5: car was found at the bottom of the gorge. 202 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 7: Directly below our old house. Maybe it was just a coincidence, 203 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 7: maybe another devil's prank. 204 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 5: Or maybe my father just snapped. The world is a 205 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 5: dark and unjust place where the cowards and the cruel 206 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 5: ragin supreme, and so maybe he snapped. 207 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: And we're here. 208 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 5: The drive is overgrown. 209 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 16: It's uh, it's been a lot of years since anyone 210 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 16: probably came down this way. 211 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 5: But uh, this is that. 212 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 19: Wear here where m This is a ground zero for 213 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 19: my existence, this place. 214 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 16: Where I was born, where I grew up, where my 215 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 16: mother died, where my house stood before it was guarded 216 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 16: by fire. It burned almost to the ground as soon 217 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 16: as I left here. 218 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 5: Jesus, Oh, Jesus Christ. There was not much left, just 219 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 5: blackened and rotting remains of the house. I saw the 220 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 5: pictures after it first burned, a hollow shell, windows blown out, 221 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 5: like an empty, leering skull. Now it's caved in, brick ruins, 222 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 5: overtaken with Thignes and Kutzu. It's hard to explain what 223 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 5: I saw in that moment, more than a shadow, less 224 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 5: than a person, the gray man down by the southwest 225 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 5: corner of the house, behind the trees. 226 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 20: What what the fuck do you want? 227 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 7: He was most no reaction at all. 228 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 5: Why are you following me, just stood there in the shadows. 229 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 5: As I moved closer, he became obscure by this huge, 230 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 5: gnarled oak tree there, the same one that once held 231 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 5: a swing where my mother used to push me. It 232 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 5: was just a blink an instance. As I came around 233 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 5: the curved drive, he was gone. Any other time I'd 234 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 5: have excused it as a trick of the light. The 235 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 5: cloud gusts surged along the ridge of forty miles an hour, 236 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 5: strange movement everywhere, the mind playing its games. 237 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 21: But I knew better. 238 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 5: I walked to the oak tree. The rope of the 239 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 5: tire swing and long since broken, and the rubber tire 240 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 5: was almost completely buried under dirtant leaves. But there was 241 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 5: something else there lying on the ground. 242 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 8: Oh my god. 243 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 7: Then I saw it. 244 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 5: The scarf, my mom's red scarf. You gotta be fucking 245 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 5: kidding me. I could feel the gray man's eyes on me. 246 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 7: I scanned the woods, hoping he would turn his gray stare, 247 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 7: but he was nowhere to be found. 248 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 5: I circled the yard, then, tracing the shadows that stretched 249 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 5: into the woods, but he was gone. Instead, my eyes 250 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 5: fixed on a small, half rotten wooden door leading to 251 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 5: the cross space, under the buried ruins and the foundation 252 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 5: of the house that was still intact. 253 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 13: I crawled in. 254 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 5: It was pitch black. I turned on the flashlight on 255 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 5: my phone and raised it into the darkness, damp earth 256 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 5: covered in animals catting debris. The floor joists and hartwood 257 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 5: pond floorboards that withstood the fire, but they were rotten 258 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 5: and sagging downward, making a low space feel perilously tight. 259 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 5: Something scurried for the back end of the darkness, just 260 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 5: at a range of my flashlight. I panted across the 261 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 5: space until until something glinted in the darkness in a 262 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 5: far corner, just enough light to catch the eye. Damn it, 263 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 5: I could feel it. This place, just below where I'd 264 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 5: spent my youth. 265 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 7: It was a place of death. 266 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 5: The earth was black and wet and harbored, no life 267 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 5: except for a large growth of mushrooms there in the 268 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 5: furthest corner of the cross space, where the brick had 269 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 5: crumbled away, perhaps allow on some sunlight through in the daytime. 270 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 5: The earth around it was sunken in and the fungus 271 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 5: seemed to bloom from there. I crawled on my belly, 272 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 5: inch by painful inch. The dampness seeping into my bones. 273 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 7: And other worldly chill. 274 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 5: A strange breeze making its way through the cracks of 275 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 5: the broken house above reminded. 276 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 7: Me of the breath of the caves. 277 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 5: Then I saw what looked like a leather a container 278 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 5: jutting from the sunken earth. 279 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 21: I dug. 280 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 5: The soil was loose here in the sunken spot, not 281 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 5: tamped down by time like the rest of the ground 282 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 5: in the space, someone had dug here. The angle was 283 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 5: difficult lying down, My shoulders cramped and fingernails got caked 284 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 5: with earth. 285 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 7: But finally, yeah, something emerged. It was a holstered gun, 286 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 7: still attached to its owner. 287 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 5: It was at long before I uncovered the black cloth 288 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 5: of a suit coat, tattered and rotten, but still intact. 289 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 7: And it wasn't long after that that I unearthed the 290 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 7: bones ribs vertebrate. 291 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 5: I traced the coat sleeves to the scalpetal remains of 292 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 5: a hand. There I found a wristwatching a ring, Dad, 293 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 5: what did you do? Most importantly, I noticed there was 294 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 5: something bulging from the inside coat pocket, a small cassette player. 295 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 7: Mostly preserved in the silk. 296 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 5: Lining in folds of cloth. I crawled back out with 297 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 5: all the contents of the bag. 298 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 7: I set the red. 299 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 5: Scarf down on the passenger seat, I put the nine 300 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 5: millimeter pistol in the club box, and I carefully started 301 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 5: the cassette player. 302 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 4: Joe twenty fourth, two thousand and seven. They captured their monsters. 303 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 19: Dammit what. 304 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 22: Joe twenty fourth, two thousand and seven, they captured their mossia. 305 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 22: Yesterday James Fincher was arrested and charged with a double homicide. 306 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 22: And I'm still not satisfied. I drove back up Roots 307 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 22: seventeen to the caves to take the motion sense of cams. 308 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 4: This morning. They picked up a few visitors paying respect. 309 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 22: They left flowers and burned candles at the front of 310 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 22: the cave, but only one visitor looked familiar. The motion 311 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 22: sensor caught him moving through the shadows, no flashlight, and 312 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 22: the night vision is grainy. But he's a He's a 313 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 22: tall man, beard, baseball recover rolls, scarfed. 314 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 4: He didn't leave any flowers. 315 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 22: First time the camera picked him up was June sixteenth. 316 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 4: Saturday, midnight. 317 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 22: One month after the Hadley Boys went missing, same day 318 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 22: of the week, same time of day, and here he 319 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 22: is again. One week later, Saturday, June twenty third, midnight 320 00:21:53,680 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 22: and he ain't leaving no flowers. Someone's coming up the drive. 321 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 21: Hello, Sheriff, what could you possibly want? And you brought backup, 322 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 21: Sheriff Hooper. 323 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 2: To what do I. 324 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 4: Owe this on? 325 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 10: I'm just here to talk, Solomon. 326 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: Oh, we're on first name basis again. Now are we? 327 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 10: Can I come in? 328 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: You don't see why not? 329 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 10: I am here as a courtesy Detective Smith. 330 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: Uh huh? 331 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 10: Go on, Now, we do things a certain way here 332 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 10: in Pottsfield, Detective. 333 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm aware. 334 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 10: And you going to the press as a big fucking problem. 335 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 10: For one thing, it undermines our process. 336 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 14: It also pains your investigation in a certain light that 337 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 14: could endanger your ability to put an innocent boy on 338 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 14: death road. 339 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 10: Goddamn it, Solomon, I know to Solomon, all right, you 340 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 10: listen to me, Detective you are office. 341 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 23: You listen, your spinest motherfucker. You got a boy, a 342 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 23: boy locked up for a crime he didn't fucking commit, 343 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 23: says fucking you, And I will continue to investigate. 344 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 14: Hell you as a private citizen playing with fire boy. 345 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 24: Ah, there it is. 346 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 2: You see. 347 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 14: It doesn't take much to shake the demons and drive 348 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 14: them into the fire. 349 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 2: Did you say. 350 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 10: I think that it would be best. 351 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 4: If you move on. 352 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 10: Leave our town. 353 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: That a threat. 354 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 10: Let's just say, in Maniwauk County, things happen a certain way. 355 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm aware. 356 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 10: All right, Detective Smith, things happen here to people who 357 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 10: dig and try as I might, the best I can 358 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 10: do is to curtail those things. 359 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: What the hell are you saying, Kirby, that you can't 360 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: control the good old boy. 361 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 10: No, it's more than that. There's something about this place, 362 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 10: something in the fog. I could never put my finger 363 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 10: on it, even after a whole life spent here, and 364 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 10: god knows I have tried. And it's not just your 365 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 10: normal small town bigotry. I mean, now, obviously that's here too, 366 00:24:53,000 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 10: but there's something deeper. It's a rot. Beneath the rot, 367 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 10: people who try to suss it out, bad things happen. 368 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 2: Look, if you're going to threaten me, just do it. 369 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 4: That ain't it, Solomon. 370 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 10: Look I do respect you, Detective Smith, genuinely, I admire you. 371 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 10: And I don't know for sure about the Fencer kid, 372 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 10: but I do know for sure that he was involved 373 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 10: and all he'd have to do to throw us off 374 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 10: his scent would be to talk. That's it, and he won't. 375 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 2: And why do you think that is? 376 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 10: Well, I know what you're thinking, that he's scared of me. 377 00:25:51,119 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 10: But Detective, it's more he feels what I do. There's 378 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 10: something deeper here, something beyond his control and beyond mind. 379 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 10: All I can do is try to keep it in check. 380 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 2: That's some vague shit, Sheriff. 381 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 10: You haven't felt it, Yeah, yeah, you have. 382 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 14: Give me one more night, Detective, Sheriff, one more to 383 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 14: tie up a couple of loose ends. 384 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: We visit a few ideas. If I don't find what 385 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: I need, I'll be gone by dawn. Won't even say goodbye. 386 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 2: It'll be like I was never even here. 387 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 13: Where are you gonna go? 388 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 10: You got family somewhere. 389 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 14: They're all long gone. Only brother died a few years back. 390 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 14: Our next wife, who hates my guts. 391 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 10: Been there. 392 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 2: I'll bet. 393 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 21: All right, fine, fine, old billy voodoo bullshit. 394 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 25: Sorry, Kirby, but I ain't going nowhere. Saturday, June thirtieth, 395 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 25: two thousand and seven, seven twenty am, I'm heading Upstate 396 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 25: Route seventeen to the Griff Washington property. Richard Rydale couldn't 397 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 25: hide forever, even in a major metravelers like Atlanta a 398 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 25: concrete jungle. But this is a different environment, this backwater 399 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 25: delivering shithole. The population of all Man of Walk County 400 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 25: is less than three percent that of Atlanta. 401 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 13: But the method works the scale, just follow the patterns. 402 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 13: A killers returned eventually to the scene of the crime. 403 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 13: Got my tent, a good sleeping bag, all the food 404 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 13: I need. We're gonna live in a cave for a while, 405 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 13: called a stakeout. Radell returned to the scene of his 406 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 13: greatest night. I'm sure whoever killed those Hadley boys were 407 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 13: return again too, just like he did last Saturday and 408 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 13: the Saturday before that. 409 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 4: June thirtieth and eleven fifty two. Perm got ahead. 410 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 22: Hard to make him out, but he's down there at 411 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 22: the mouth of the caves. He looks about six one, 412 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 22: about two hundred and maybe ten coveralls, baseball. 413 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 4: Cap ride on time, motherfucker. Now what exactly the hell 414 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 4: are you doing here? 415 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 21: Wait a minute, Wait a. 416 00:29:50,520 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 4: Minute, he's on his knees praying. Nope, not a good look. 417 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 22: July first, one, eleven AM made my way back to 418 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 22: the road ahead of the subject. Mister Midnight Prayer found 419 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 22: his truck here talked in, turned about a few hundred 420 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 22: meters up the road and waited ret the corn got 421 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 22: his plates. Sunday, July first. 422 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 15: Nine am. 423 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 22: I couldn't risk following a midnight man on Route seventeen 424 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 22: or two am. 425 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 4: There's no way he wouldn't know he was being followed. 426 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 4: Ran the plates. 427 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 22: Though the truck is registered to one Paul Solace. I 428 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 22: ain't very interesting incidence, oh son. Julian happened to be 429 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 22: one of our first suspects, and Julian is the one 430 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 22: who found the bodies. And it was Julian who pointed 431 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 22: the finger at James Fincher. I guess I'm gonna need 432 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 22: to have a chat. 433 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 4: With old Paul. Hello, missus Sutlers catch Smith. 434 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 24: Sorry I didn't hear the door right away. I don't 435 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 24: get too many visitors. It's all good. Look I you 436 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 24: for more information. I'm afraid Julian has said everything he's know, 437 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 24: so no. 438 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 4: No, no, no, I just I just need to I 439 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:50,239 Speaker 4: just need to use your phone, my phone, Yeah, I 440 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 4: need to call Triple A. 441 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 22: My car just blew a couple of tires on that 442 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 22: sharp curve down the road there. 443 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 24: Yeah, I care, what's got more than if. 444 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 15: You drivers a headache. 445 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Please come in this way. How's your boy. 446 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 15: Fine? 447 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 4: You there yesterday? Sem a vacation. I think he. 448 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 15: He needs to get away from all this. You know, 449 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 15: he's a starting college in a couple of months. It's 450 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 15: uh one of all these moving boxes. Where were you, 451 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 15: head of Detective? 452 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 2: Uh? 453 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 14: Now, I'm going away too, actually, way out of Pottsville moving. 454 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 15: Yeah, sorry to hear it. I'm just I guess your 455 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 15: work is done. What's up the prosecution guys? Now, Detective Smith, 456 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 15: we are all grateful the expertise you brought to the case. 457 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 15: I hope you feel good about the results of your efforts. 458 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 2: Well, it's been a complicated one, that's for certain. 459 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 15: Phone through here in the kitchen. 460 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 2: Thanks. 461 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 15: I'm just going to see a man about a horse 462 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 15: real quick. You want to coffee or something out yourself? 463 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 13: Yeah? 464 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 2: Thanks? 465 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 21: All right, Well I'll be goddamn christ scissors. 466 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 4: What you got there? 467 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. 468 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 14: It looks like an old scarf just to afford it 469 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 14: here in this moving. 470 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 15: Bob, Please put that down. That's special to me. 471 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: Missus Solace. Do you know why we suspected your son, Julian? 472 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 4: No, I do not. 473 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 14: Simple First he was absent from Carter High on May eighteenth. 474 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 14: And see only four students were absent that day, Deacon 475 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 14: and Thomas Hadley. Of course, that was the day they 476 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 14: went missing. The other two were Tyler Wilson and Julian. 477 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 15: I told Hooper, Julian was with me that day. We 478 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 15: went to the cemetery that morning to pay her respects. 479 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 15: Julian's mother was later rest early that year. 480 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm sorry for your loss. The other reason 481 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 2: Julian was the. 482 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 14: Suspect was this year book picture here Tyler Wilson, James 483 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 14: Fincher and Julian. When I saw the scoff Julian's wearing 484 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 14: in this picture, it all made sense. This is the 485 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 14: same wool scarf here in my hand, I believe, And. 486 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 2: You see here where it's been stretched and torn. 487 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 14: Missus Sullis, I have a little hunched matches the fabric 488 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 14: found at the crime scene. Red wool fibers. It's like 489 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 14: the ones found under Thomas Hadley's fingernails. 490 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 15: That's my scarf the wife n did before she died. 491 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 15: Red was a favorite color. 492 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 2: And what about these. 493 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 14: When my wife's so and says, why would so and 494 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 14: scissors have blood? On them, mister Saulas, But I've been 495 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 14: doing this for a while. I know what it is 496 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 14: when I see it that there is dried blood. 497 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 15: Turn around, face of sink. 498 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 4: You gonna shoot me? Paul, Please turn around. 499 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 2: Look. 500 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 14: I know what it's like I do to have a 501 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 14: son who is bullied, daddy. 502 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 2: Why is everyone being mean to me? 503 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 14: That's what my boy asked me when he was only 504 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 14: five years old. 505 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 2: And it got worse if only I could have seen it. 506 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 14: By the time he was in high school, he was 507 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 14: completely isolated. I thought something was wrong with him. I 508 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 14: also bullied him, shamed him because I was disappointed that 509 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 14: he was so weak. 510 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: I thought he just needed to man up, thought he 511 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 2: needed tough love. 512 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 14: No matter how many times I screamed at him, you 513 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 14: are better than them, it only made him more isolated, 514 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 14: made him feel even more let down. 515 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 2: And the truth is he was a disappointment. 516 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 14: Fuck it, I'll say it, might as well say to 517 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 14: the man who's got a gunpointed at me. 518 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 2: And my boy knew it. 519 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:40,479 Speaker 26: Too, knew I was I was disappointed at him, knew 520 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 26: I would never accept him for who he was, and 521 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 26: it only made him feel more unlovable. Sound familiar hmm, 522 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,479 Speaker 26: Because my own son was bullied too, bullied so bad 523 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 26: he actually. 524 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 2: Took his own life. 525 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:09,759 Speaker 27: So I understand as a father, it makes you want 526 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 27: to kill, don't it. 527 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 15: Just walk, turn around and walk the back door the house. 528 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 14: These nasty, spoiled fuckers dumber's dirt, giving your boy a regular. 529 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 2: Beatdown, and you were powerless to stop it. Couldn't do shit. 530 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 14: Until you could, until you had no choice. That's why 531 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 14: you got fired from the Hadley Dealership, ain't it. You 532 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,600 Speaker 14: went to have a chat with Bobby Hadley, man the man, 533 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 14: to see about getting his boys to stop kicking the 534 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,800 Speaker 14: shit out of your kid, Julian, but you lost your temper. 535 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 14: You threatened him and he canned your ass, didn't he 536 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 14: After twenty motherfucking years, and. 537 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 2: You ain't rich like him. 538 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 14: You got to work to pay for the way up 539 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 14: for your son so he don't end up just like you. 540 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 14: I'm a be able to pay for medical bills and 541 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 14: funeral costs after your wife died that horrible. 542 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 20: Slow death, leaving you with nothing nothing but your son, 543 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 20: Julian and this red wolf scarf. What God damn it, Nah, 544 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 20: I'm not gonna do it. I ain't going out back. 545 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 14: Shit, don't look at me like that. I'm standing here 546 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 14: holding evidence while you point a shotgun at me. 547 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 4: Man, I know. 548 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 14: Which way the wind is blowing, and I ain't going 549 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 14: out like that. 550 00:38:54,440 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 15: Damn you're smart, but you are one hair offer. 551 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 4: Ben. 552 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 15: I'm on the business side of this barrel and you 553 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,720 Speaker 15: are still making demands. 554 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 2: Ye goddamn right. 555 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 14: If you're gonna kill me, I'm not gonna let you 556 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 14: do it outside. It's gonna be right here in the 557 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 14: middle of your home, where you'll have to scrub the 558 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 14: fucking cheap bass linoleum to get the blood and bones 559 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 14: and fragments out. Well, you'll have to use stain blocker 560 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 14: and plaster over pellet holes where you'll have to see 561 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 14: my ghosts every fucking morning when you pour your couple 562 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,280 Speaker 14: of weak ass folders and eat your scrambled fucking eggs. 563 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 15: Please, dear, no, no, please, I don't want to have 564 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 15: you can't you have to, goddamn it. 565 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 13: This is the choice. 566 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 2: You are making, a choice you. 567 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 4: Now. 568 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 14: You can put the gun down and come quietly with 569 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 14: or you can shoot me dead in the middle of 570 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 14: this house, the one you bought with your wife, the 571 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 14: one you wake up nights for your boy, hoping he's 572 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 14: ever gonna come back at all. But I'm sure as 573 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 14: hell they ain't gonna be an accessory to my own 574 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,400 Speaker 14: murder by making it easy on you. 575 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 4: So which is it? 576 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 7: Huh? 577 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 2: What's it gonna be? 578 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 17: Paul Hi, Paul Solace, you are under harress. You have 579 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 17: the right to. 580 00:40:39,520 --> 00:41:18,399 Speaker 8: Remain the ghosten Emir and the Hounds of Hell. Dan 581 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 8: send in your vinzend and. 582 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 28: The Man Walk Caves stars Jonathan Tucker as Julian Sallace, 583 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,240 Speaker 28: Eddie Gatheggy as James Fincher, Clark Peters as Detective Solomon Smith, 584 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 28: Nick Cercy as Sheriff Kirby Hooper, Justin Welborn as Tyler Wilson, 585 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 28: Jill Jane Clements as Jill Campbell, Brad Carter as Doodlee Tappert, 586 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 28: Scott Poythrus as Reverend Perkins, Samantha Ashley as Dina Fincher, 587 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 28: Justin Matthew Smith as Paul Sawace, Tara Oaks as Laura Sawas, 588 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 28: Jonathan Horn as Deacon Hadley, Alden Karanovich as Thomas Hadley, 589 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 28: Mike w Anderson as Griff Washington, Body Walter Off as 590 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 28: Jimmy Fincher, Brian McClure as Ian Speaks, Larry Clark as 591 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 28: Bobby Hadley, Payden Fallis as Ed LeBlanc, Vic Palisis as 592 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 28: William Fowler, Nick Takosky as Richard Rydell, and Aileen Loy 593 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 28: as The Darkness, with additional performances by Clint McGowan, Dina Dill, 594 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:30,240 Speaker 28: Edward Howard, Henry Foster Brown, Jamie Joseph, Juan Monsalvez, Christopher Curry, 595 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 28: Bailey Hineman, David Mitchell, and Bernard Sataro Clark. Created by 596 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 28: ConL Byrne and Dan Bush. Written by Dan Bush, Zoe 597 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 28: Cooper and Nicholas Dakosky, featuring our theme song Killer Inside, 598 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 28: written produced and performed by Lerea Lynn. Our executive producers 599 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 28: are Matt Frederick, Alexander Williams, Michael Monty, and Courtney du Frees. 600 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 28: Our executive producers at Blumhouse Television are Jeremy Gold, Chris 601 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 28: Dickey and Noah Fine. Produced by Dan Bush, music by 602 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 28: Ben Lovett, Additional music by Alexander Rodriguez, edited by Dan Bush, 603 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 28: Chris Childs, Stephen Perez and David Chen. Sound design by 604 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 28: Benjamin Malcolm. Additional sound design by Alexander Rodriguez. Dialogue editing 605 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 28: and sound mixing by Jant Campos. Recorded at Studio Awesome 606 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 28: in Los Angeles, Sound by Studio in Atlanta and Echo 607 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 28: Mountain in Ashville. Casting by Sunday Bowling, Kennedy and Meg Mormon. 608 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 28: Our dialect coach is Linda Bessesti, Assistant director, Michael Monty, 609 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,000 Speaker 28: second assistant director, script supervisor and production coordinator Sarah Klein. 610 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,800 Speaker 28: Supervising producer Josh Thain. Special thanks to Mary Ellen and 611 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,359 Speaker 28: Jason Davis, Jonathan Dieter, and Joe Rickman. The Manowac Caves 612 00:43:48,440 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 28: is a production of iHeart Radio, Blumhouse Television, and Psycopia Pictures. 613 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,800 Speaker 8: Superb said the Boy 614 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 13: Flying