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Speaker 1: So did did you do you ever hear the story?
Speaker 1: I may have you may have heard this. Hello, hello everyone.
Speaker 1: So we were so at one point when I was
Speaker 1: like twenty ish, it's like last year five whatever, I'm
Speaker 1: there with with at home with mom and dad, and
Speaker 1: Dad was filling out some sort of form and he
Speaker 1: turns to me and he goes, how do you spell
Speaker 1: your name again? Kid? Yeah? That sounds that sounds about right.
Speaker 1: And I said, I said, okay, First of all, i'm
Speaker 1: your son. Yeah, you're supposed to know how to spell
Speaker 1: my name. Second of all, we have the exact same name. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You were the second and I am the third. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And then he started to insist that no,
Speaker 1: he spelled his differently and something he put a c
Speaker 1: K in all our anyway, Um, okay, side No, Before
Speaker 1: we get going, we were I was talking about this.
Speaker 1: First of all, we're here in the pod of the
Speaker 1: lighting show room, the lighting emporium that is my new house.
Speaker 1: I am here with Ana and Katie. We're picking up
Speaker 1: paint colors for Katie's new house. Yes, I have been
Speaker 1: having so much trouble. Cheese in a green for the office. Um,
Speaker 1: if you have a good office screen, he tweeted at me.
Speaker 1: By a lot of samples, that's all I can say. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: here's what we were saying over So our mom. Her
Speaker 1: name is Janet. She's Jane Marie, a little comptrom real
Speaker 1: estate for all these summer rental knees. For years, she's
Speaker 1: been Janet, which since you had a son, she became
Speaker 1: jan Mock because she didn't want to be grandma. She
Speaker 1: was jan Mo. And then this summer you were just
Speaker 1: hanging out with her and your son started calling her
Speaker 1: j J. And I got an email today about Paradise
Speaker 1: because she was wondering where Jubilee went, and she signed
Speaker 1: it j J. She changed her name to j J
Speaker 1: the other J four. It is a cool name. It's
Speaker 1: like j J Watt, j J Abram, Dude, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: to see it. I will show it to you because
Speaker 1: I have known my mom my entire life and to
Speaker 1: have never j to see it really come down then
Speaker 1: j J. She actually emailed me where okay, where is
Speaker 1: And you're like, who that bachelor question? Here's question j J. J.
Speaker 1: Whatever happened to the lady Marine, who're the one who
Speaker 1: played the cello? I thought she and John were a
Speaker 1: couple and now she disappeared. Did I miss something? J J?
Speaker 1: That is what I got from my mom. I have
Speaker 1: that same question where I did well know they brought
Speaker 1: it up very quickly, where he like on Monday's episode,
Speaker 1: we'll get to that. We're gonna get to that. I
Speaker 1: was pissed before we get going, I wanted to say,
Speaker 1: and this is we're gonna get serious, probably for the
Speaker 1: second time ever. Okay, Steve Heightner, who we love. He
Speaker 1: as you know, he's come to all of our He's
Speaker 1: basically been verbally inappropriate to my mother numerous times on air.
Speaker 1: He has come and probably freaked out all these members
Speaker 1: from coast to coast. He is one of my very
Speaker 1: favorite people in the entire world. I love him so hard.
Speaker 1: I am very saddened to say that his little boy, Jack,
Speaker 1: who's thirteen years old, had they just found out he
Speaker 1: has staged four bone and lung cancer and so we
Speaker 1: are is on our We'll put it on our Facebook page,
Speaker 1: but there is a go fund me page. Basically. Steve
Speaker 1: also lives in Reno, he doesn't live in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: and um, they have to move down here for treatment
Speaker 1: for a year. So and even five dollars helps or whatever.
Speaker 1: But we just we love our seed. I saw Jack
Speaker 1: last week. He's doing well, but it's a long journey.
Speaker 1: It's three surgeries and forty weeks of chemo. So anything
Speaker 1: that you can give helps, and um, just your prayers
Speaker 1: and thoughts for a little Jack. And I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: see them tomorrow. Alissa Milano's gonna go with me. He
Speaker 1: loves instatable. I'm like, god, Pleasia, that's like, that's a
Speaker 1: little sassy. But you know Jackson, but he's he's just
Speaker 1: such a sweet kid. So it looks like a little Heightener,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So and he also Steve's Jack's mom.
Speaker 1: Cindy is such a fox and uh, as Heightener put it,
Speaker 1: he got the right combo of jeans because he's got
Speaker 1: like a personnel, you know, Cindy. Al Alarx spent some
Speaker 1: time with Cyndy. I saw her last week and she
Speaker 1: was like, say hi to Alaric. I always I always
Speaker 1: loved Alaric. He's like, well, I was like, Cindy, height
Speaker 1: is easy to like really pretty people well, so in
Speaker 1: fact that that's gonna So I don't really watch bashl
Speaker 1: in Paradise so much, but I have to say, having
Speaker 1: watched it in anticipation of this got me in general
Speaker 1: thinking it's a good segue. It's my main thought. It's
Speaker 1: just strange watching a collection of very good looking people. Well,
Speaker 1: what's fun about the guy that we were asking about? John?
Speaker 1: He created the Venmo app? Okay, he's a programmer. He's
Speaker 1: a programmer. So he was the one that said nobody's
Speaker 1: better on the answer than a programmer last night. Did
Speaker 1: you see that? I did see that, and so he
Speaker 1: in my I'm very protective of him because in my
Speaker 1: mind it's like you are Andrew in Paradise. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's cuter. Well, he became like hired,
Speaker 1: he hired his supertrainer. Okay, but you would be sited
Speaker 1: if you overall, So, you've never watched Paradise before. You
Speaker 1: watched some of them. I remember you watched Um, you
Speaker 1: watched Ben Higgins and Jojo and their fantasy sweets, and
Speaker 1: you couldn't believe that they got to make out. You
Speaker 1: couldn't believe. I'm just sit at the head of the
Speaker 1: table and look at everybody. How did you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I feel okay about that. Now I can see everyone.
Speaker 1: Come closer, come closed. Do you guys need air conditioning? Okay, okay, okay, okay, really,
Speaker 1: how do you move? And then you go come close?
Speaker 1: And then you'll move I closed to your close. I
Speaker 1: felt too close before, but now I need to splee
Speaker 1: the D or I can split the difference. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna start. Here's how it works in uh that's
Speaker 1: when I started doing. H I do theater. I'm not
Speaker 1: that fancy, like when I've done please, like most of
Speaker 1: the people have gone to like Juilliard or whatever, and
Speaker 1: so somehow like you know, this clown has like snuck
Speaker 1: ellen too like, and I never know when they're like
Speaker 1: it's like stage right or stage life. I literally don't
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. So then and so thankfully
Speaker 1: like the stage managers will like kind of point and
Speaker 1: tell me which way to go. But uh so then
Speaker 1: the guy oftentimes I'll be like too much or I'm
Speaker 1: often too much, and so so then I started saying,
Speaker 1: like you want to slew the d slew the day
Speaker 1: and apparently the director of the like he actually used
Speaker 1: it with like you know some grand dum he like
Speaker 1: these stage managers have told me after the after he
Speaker 1: worked with me, he told some like you know, Kate
Speaker 1: Burton or somebody to splee the day when like split
Speaker 1: the diff. Anyway, there we go. That's my story about
Speaker 1: sneaking into things that you're not quite qualified for. Um, overall,
Speaker 1: did you enjoy this show? Sure? Yes I did. It's
Speaker 1: so fun, isn't it. It's it is It is fun
Speaker 1: to watch beautiful people squirm. Yeah, you know. So this
Speaker 1: is a different thing because normally, when we go through
Speaker 1: episodes of like a pair of The Bachelor of the Bachelorette,
Speaker 1: they're sort of a beginning, middle, and end. This is
Speaker 1: sort of, as you can see, is a crazy scramble
Speaker 1: like free for all, and there's numerous couple threads. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the douchiest out of the gate. Let's discuss
Speaker 1: this awful Leo. Let's talk about grocery store Joe and Kendall.
Speaker 1: First of all, I love grocery store Job. He's the
Speaker 1: best I love. There's a reason that every single guy there,
Speaker 1: every single person there, is obsessed with him, Like he
Speaker 1: just is the most popular person there now. Just so
Speaker 1: you know, this is a guy that when he went
Speaker 1: on the Bachelorette, he got cut. He didn't even get
Speaker 1: to unpack. He got cut the night he exited the limb,
Speaker 1: so he's never been through. He was okay, I'm you know, I'm.
Speaker 1: They did his little video thing, like they only choose
Speaker 1: like five people to do videos here. He was one
Speaker 1: of them. So we thought he was going to be
Speaker 1: there for a while. So he got cut immediately, and
Speaker 1: um and and so he has not been to any
Speaker 1: this so he's like, oh my god, I meted to
Speaker 1: Mexico and like and like so and the girl that
Speaker 1: he's Kendall, she is like a taxidermy artist. So like
Speaker 1: the fact that it's like this dude who just sells
Speaker 1: grocer from Chicago, and then you've got like this taxidermy girl,
Speaker 1: which is a really classy job. Taxidermy art didn't Katie's
Speaker 1: didn't Katie's, Pretzel Boy didn't. He Pretzel Boy started making
Speaker 1: taxidermy art. I did not know that he did. He
Speaker 1: like he lost his marbles and started making taxidero. He
Speaker 1: was this guy that when when we were like twenty two,
Speaker 1: every girl wanted to make out with this dude in
Speaker 1: Union Square that sold pretzels at the Pretzels cart, and
Speaker 1: he did. He made out with Karina, Katie, all of them.
Speaker 1: He was super hot. He was in like a John
Speaker 1: Waters movie once he was super hot and then he
Speaker 1: like made he made out with everybody sold pretzels for years.
Speaker 1: Once again getting back to the idea that like, life
Speaker 1: is different for super hot people. That's the thing I
Speaker 1: typically don't think about this, but watching their Bachelor, I
Speaker 1: really or whatever, that's what paradise that some paradise. It
Speaker 1: really kind of drove home to me that like that,
Speaker 1: you know, life is just different for super hot it
Speaker 1: is way different for everybody. Um So here we go.
Speaker 1: We have Kendall says, I feel like, um we we
Speaker 1: start off the episode and she's saying to Joe, I
Speaker 1: feel like death by a tiger is a death that
Speaker 1: I can accept. That was just like an overheard I
Speaker 1: missed that one. Did you guys hear that? I heard
Speaker 1: that and I didn't. That's things I'm so used to Kendall. Now,
Speaker 1: I was like, go on, like I didn't even think twice. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was Yeah, that's exactly I have to say. Overall,
Speaker 1: I was a little mad at Kendall. I felt like
Speaker 1: the episode, yeah, I was like when she was I was.
Speaker 1: I got mad at her when she kissed John, Yes,
Speaker 1: I was like, where the fund did you do that?
Speaker 1: Feel Like after all of that, when after and we'll
Speaker 1: get like when Leo was being the worst, and we'll
Speaker 1: get there, like and then so she's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I just fight it because it was
Speaker 1: because I like him so much, And then you go
Speaker 1: and kiss John, Like what what the what are you doing?
Speaker 1: I feel like I've never been in a situation where
Speaker 1: if a guy liked me, I try like, I'm just
Speaker 1: like you said, it's crazy these people, the lives they
Speaker 1: live with. They're like, Wow, I'm like so desired that
Speaker 1: I have all these dudes that I can just like
Speaker 1: screw up your relationship and fall into another one where
Speaker 1: it's like, what if a guy likes you, Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Like I'm not going to hurt him
Speaker 1: by making out with another dude. Kissed John? She kissed John?
Speaker 1: She said, he kissed Maybe you can see afterwards like
Speaker 1: she was tearing up, like she regretted it immediately, but
Speaker 1: she'd already was immediately regretting Leo. And then and then
Speaker 1: when it maybe I was like, oh girl, what are
Speaker 1: you doing? Don't sabotage this? Oh what did you think
Speaker 1: of all that? I somehow missed the part where she
Speaker 1: kissed John. I I but Leo, Oh my god, Leo.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Leo. We loved Leo on the Bachelorette.
Speaker 1: And it's so terrifying how awful he is, how wrong
Speaker 1: we had he was. He was you know, he's um well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was charming on the Bachelorette. He had he gave
Speaker 1: a great like this isn't really that was the most
Speaker 1: manipulating when he twisted it, like when he when he
Speaker 1: got caught and he went on the war path and
Speaker 1: he's in the pool, in the pool like as crazy
Speaker 1: as Chad, like as reedy and crazy as Chad. And
Speaker 1: it was worse, Yeah, because it was like really weirdly immature,
Speaker 1: Like it was the weirdest thing. It's like schoolyard drop
Speaker 1: like they're kissing, go to Kenny and then like I'm
Speaker 1: watching Kevin just be like it was really I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start by saying, I think he looks like a very
Speaker 1: hairy leave Shreiber. Oh, that's a really good Yes, You're
Speaker 1: at one point. I feel like Leave has a lot
Speaker 1: of hair on his chest. He's not Leave is not
Speaker 1: a non hairy person, but I feel like I feel
Speaker 1: like Leo's waxed his chest and growing all and like
Speaker 1: and like done all the hair and Leave it like
Speaker 1: growing all the chest and then trimmedle there. I think
Speaker 1: you're right, Yeah, but yeah, I don't know anybody who
Speaker 1: goes who goes out of the way to look like
Speaker 1: Tarzan like that, And I sort of feel like you
Speaker 1: have to start there just saying, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm going to trust this person. He also
Speaker 1: looks like Tarzan and was wearing a cheetah blouse. But
Speaker 1: on the on the Bachelor, he was like so like
Speaker 1: nice and y, but I guess pronouncing that no one
Speaker 1: had the chance to really wrong him to bring that
Speaker 1: out of him. It also was like he knew he
Speaker 1: wasn't he knew he wasn't her type, so he had
Speaker 1: no So I think this was like where them ladies
Speaker 1: at he works at He's in the water World right,
Speaker 1: He's in the water World show at Universal City, and
Speaker 1: he's a stunt man. And he's does softwork, does soft
Speaker 1: core porn, but that they don't say that on but
Speaker 1: we know no one acknowledges that when we're all like okay,
Speaker 1: so like and then he was so awful and he
Speaker 1: was like you're a really big fake er, you're as yeah,
Speaker 1: like it was. It was it was tough to watch,
Speaker 1: right because he got caught and he was angry at
Speaker 1: everybody except himself. Is that actually what gas lighting is? That?
Speaker 1: I just is that the depth like what he did
Speaker 1: to her lighting her? I think so he was trying
Speaker 1: to she was gaslighting. I'm confused by was like when
Speaker 1: you use like manipulative tactics to try and convince someone
Speaker 1: of something, that's so I think gas I think that's
Speaker 1: an old movie or no play. And what it was
Speaker 1: was that you're trying and convince someone they're crazy, but
Speaker 1: I like replacing their their clothes with closer, a little
Speaker 1: bit shorter or something something very There's something that's reason
Speaker 1: it's called gaslights from there's an actress that I will
Speaker 1: not Yeah, it's like it's a uh manipulating by ecological
Speaker 1: means into questioning their own sanity because because he basically
Speaker 1: he Chris did that a little bit with where so
Speaker 1: where they I think it's it's a way of almost
Speaker 1: like be like, yeah, I did that. She said, she
Speaker 1: said your gats didn't she say your gas lading? Me too?
Speaker 1: I think only when he was like, how could you
Speaker 1: ruin my day like this? Oh my god, how could
Speaker 1: you ruin my day like that? Ladies, if a man
Speaker 1: is talking to you like that, get away from him
Speaker 1: like that's it's never going to get better that The
Speaker 1: people like that, that's how they deal with things unless
Speaker 1: they've gone to therapy and learned that that's not. Okay.
Speaker 1: Wait here, I am. I found it all because it's
Speaker 1: it's hard for me during these episodes to keep everything
Speaker 1: because it's again, it's all over the place. But um
Speaker 1: and he okay, so she said, he said, this seems
Speaker 1: a handshake in paradise. Yet she seems a handshake. Somebody's
Speaker 1: a little tattle tale, a snitch needs to be put
Speaker 1: in his place. And then uh, Kevin goes in Canada,
Speaker 1: we are polite, we are reasonable, and we will not
Speaker 1: be pushed around. That was really good. Well so I
Speaker 1: think he was quoting was fantastic. I was about to
Speaker 1: say Trudeau could be on this show. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he really he's so hot. He's actually hotter than the
Speaker 1: Canadian that we got. And then he goes, I know
Speaker 1: she will think about our date for the rest of
Speaker 1: her life and then he and then she goes, I
Speaker 1: don't know, appreciate you being condescending right now, and he
Speaker 1: she goes, it wasn't He said, it wasn't phenomenal for you,
Speaker 1: your phenomenal actress. It was just it was just so aggressive.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you're single. And when he said that,
Speaker 1: he kept saying to her, I don't know how you're single.
Speaker 1: He was that was terror like being like I don't
Speaker 1: how could are we not pick you or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, we get it. You're just trying to
Speaker 1: emphasize that she's single. It was awful, And then I
Speaker 1: love when she went to when she went to talk
Speaker 1: to Joe about it afterwards, after he was taking you
Speaker 1: guys done here, okay, and then they goes to do
Speaker 1: down and she's like, I just wanted to understand. He
Speaker 1: wouldn't understand. I won it, and he goes, relax, He's
Speaker 1: just being me, and she's like, I'm just frustrating. He
Speaker 1: goes well, sometimes you gotta do it being frustrated and
Speaker 1: sometimes you just gotta chill out. He's the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah he was. He was like, Yeah, that's just a
Speaker 1: very mean person. She needed to hear that. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: like something wrong with him, Like, I mean, if anyone
Speaker 1: dates him after seeing this, Like, it makes sense why
Speaker 1: he didn't say a word during mentell all, I don't
Speaker 1: think he was there. So he was there. He was there,
Speaker 1: but he did not say a word because I think
Speaker 1: everyone is kind of like, are you sure he was
Speaker 1: there because he was wearing like a red suit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was in the front. Because he has also been
Speaker 1: accused of sexual harassment. Yeah, I feel like he I
Speaker 1: think he knew he could not say anything. People would
Speaker 1: be like, really, I saw Becca M's post being like
Speaker 1: I told you so, Laurie texted me some stuff which
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at. But it's about this later or
Speaker 1: do you have anything more you want to say about
Speaker 1: Joe or about Joe, Jenna and Leah. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, there's some horrible dudes out there, and when
Speaker 1: you you know, when you started dating someone, they start
Speaker 1: telling HI about the horrible like boyfriend. A lot of
Speaker 1: the times his stories like this where like like oh
Speaker 1: you know, and then he always made me feel like
Speaker 1: it was my fault. Yes, when you see it that pronounced,
Speaker 1: you're like, my god. He wasn't good at being manipulative,
Speaker 1: Like it was almost like a sad attempt where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well this is really embarrassing for you because you were
Speaker 1: being a very bad evil person. Well like Chris in
Speaker 1: some ways is better at it. And Chris is definitely better.
Speaker 1: He's because he's just as manipulative, but he's somehow when
Speaker 1: he gets what he I don't know, I think he
Speaker 1: stays a little steadier in his tone because he's not
Speaker 1: getting worked up. Yeah, yeah, Chris, Chris is more manipulative. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chris is meant more manipulative because he's not outwardly like
Speaker 1: just mean well like that's exact. Leo was just like
Speaker 1: he was getting hyped himself and he was He's hard
Speaker 1: to see what it's hard to watch a guy I
Speaker 1: do that to like to actually see areas at the
Speaker 1: front row al and the red suit. It's hard to
Speaker 1: watch somebody like it's like, wow, people actually behave like that,
Speaker 1: Like that is so crazy. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: I think it's not uncommon. Really, do you think it's stars?
Speaker 1: What do you think it is? It's just douche guys? Uh? No,
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think I think, yeah, some
Speaker 1: guys are just and I think they're terrible to to
Speaker 1: too women and intimate situations. Yeah, I think they just
Speaker 1: get in and they and they like to manipulated. I
Speaker 1: think it's more it's almost like abuse rights emotional. It
Speaker 1: felt like psychological abut and it's certainly it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is you know, this is a limited thing. Clearly
Speaker 1: you know he's going to go away and she'll never
Speaker 1: see him again. But like you're like, oh, he's just
Speaker 1: gonna keep doing this. That's exactly right, you know. And
Speaker 1: he's handsome and sexy enough. If that he wasn't, well,
Speaker 1: I hope you know, Like now he's at least been
Speaker 1: found out, so like you at least know. But like
Speaker 1: you can see he gave he gives great first date,
Speaker 1: his first day with Kendall was good, his first date
Speaker 1: on Rebecca was good. That's a dangerous guy. But your
Speaker 1: first fight that's when you learn. Yeah, yeah, and he
Speaker 1: got that's true. He got mean instantly did like there
Speaker 1: wasn't any Yeah, it was just it wasn't like they
Speaker 1: had a little argument and then he got drunk. I
Speaker 1: mean this was instant. You know what if you're out
Speaker 1: there listening, because I think sometimes people it's interesting watching
Speaker 1: it when people go, oh, but it was so great
Speaker 1: in the beginning. It's like anybody can give a good
Speaker 1: first three months, three weeks, you know, like this when
Speaker 1: people you're right, the first fight, that's the true's colors.
Speaker 1: I think of how somebody fights like that. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's what the Marine siblings have spoken. Um okay, So
Speaker 1: then let's talk about Jenna Jenna. Um. So when we
Speaker 1: first came back Monday night, Jenna is the blond one
Speaker 1: that Jordan is in love with. And then and then
Speaker 1: the French guy has shown up Ben wah God. So
Speaker 1: then we see him. He's like playing frisbee and he goes,
Speaker 1: that's how you throw a frisbee. You gotta put some
Speaker 1: risk into that. Jenny, the guy you can use his hands.
Speaker 1: What's the greater power here? I am He takes a
Speaker 1: lot about his greater power. Yeah, the the she chose
Speaker 1: Jordan's and then let her and then said I did
Speaker 1: it for you. It's better for you. And then ben
Speaker 1: Wah went crazy and then Jordan's lost his ship. It
Speaker 1: was just I thought ben Wah was being a little intense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was not taking it well. He was like Stage
Speaker 1: five Clinger with Claire. Yeah, we've learned that Ben was
Speaker 1: an emotional man. He didn't fast did. The real thing
Speaker 1: with ben Wah was like, as he was driving off,
Speaker 1: my god, I been rejected by two girls and fourteen
Speaker 1: hours or something. Yeah, there's clearly something wrong with me.
Speaker 1: And you know, but to certainly, well that needs to
Speaker 1: get close close enough I can hear it. Okay, So
Speaker 1: but you know there's the the ascent to which, like
Speaker 1: you realize that, you know, the the whole setup is
Speaker 1: almost designed to make if you were not picked, like
Speaker 1: it's crushing, right, It's designed to hyper speed up the
Speaker 1: cadence of love triangles and it's the meanest and so
Speaker 1: you know the excent that love triangles will always work
Speaker 1: out badly for at least one party. Yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's like my son can't want to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl because he's like, I just want them both
Speaker 1: to win. He stopped at the end of I showed
Speaker 1: him the Great British Bake Off, and he loved the show,
Speaker 1: he said, but towards the andes of Wymond, one of
Speaker 1: them is going home, you know, and and he goes
Speaker 1: how they gonna feed their family? You started crying, Like
Speaker 1: Norman got voted off, and he was at this old
Speaker 1: guy who was perfectly happy to get voted off. He's like,
Speaker 1: I made it longer than I thought, and he was
Speaker 1: like it was inconsolable. I wanted to cry about that too,
Speaker 1: though I'm not gonna I love that guy. I haven't
Speaker 1: watched this season yet, but I will say this, you
Speaker 1: can console him by the beauty of England is you
Speaker 1: only win a plate and a pay of flowers. But
Speaker 1: he needs to he needs to take care of his
Speaker 1: family anyway. But it's the same thing here, right, It's
Speaker 1: like it's like you're creating a situation in which which
Speaker 1: at least one party is going to end up devastated,
Speaker 1: and you know, and the question is how resilient are you?
Speaker 1: Apparently for Ben Will like he really liked this rocking
Speaker 1: to his core because I guess I don't know, I
Speaker 1: mean a certain extent, like if you're like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you've gone through life that far being
Speaker 1: confident and good looking, you know you're not used to
Speaker 1: getting the short into this ticket. I guess I don't
Speaker 1: find him appealing. No, I think he's weird. I think
Speaker 1: he falls very hard because in the last he did
Speaker 1: not he was on Winter Games and he felt a
Speaker 1: w very quickly. She was kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of interested in someone else, and he was
Speaker 1: like heartbroken, Like he went home like two days in,
Speaker 1: completely destroyed, just dating Jordan's when he showed up, like
Speaker 1: he cut in on their dads. No, he's he falls
Speaker 1: very hard. Well, but yes, okay, but there was the
Speaker 1: part where he was like Jordan is he called him
Speaker 1: literally the worst person I've ever met. Yeah, yeah you might, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: you met Leo Jordan's You know, Jordan may not be
Speaker 1: the worst person I've ever met, but he's definitely crazy, right,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. But even with Chelsea, he was like,
Speaker 1: I think Chelsea and I are meant for each other,
Speaker 1: and it's like, I know he goes, he goes. I
Speaker 1: think I could see a future with her. I like kids,
Speaker 1: they all fall. I mean, if we want to get ahead,
Speaker 1: let's get to go quick, Anna les Okay, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know why is somebody going for Chelsea? I
Speaker 1: don't yet. She's really sweet, he's really sweet, beautiful. Maybe
Speaker 1: she has a kid's because she's not a feeling. She
Speaker 1: might be a little dull. All right, you know the
Speaker 1: woman is a single mom. That would I mean, she's
Speaker 1: hot as nobody's smoke show. No one is smoke shows.
Speaker 1: Christ I get that you're hot for a mom. You're
Speaker 1: a real smoke show. He's like, isn't She will be
Speaker 1: like yep, He's like, right, smoke show, right show. Don't
Speaker 1: ever call me a smoke show with her face though,
Speaker 1: I don't know what is the show? Just like you're
Speaker 1: so hot, you're smoking hot your smoke shop. It's a
Speaker 1: weird and maybe it's something they say in Chicago. No,
Speaker 1: it's for like groty guys. I've heard Grody said it.
Speaker 1: All right, he's allowed, he's allowed. He I feel like
Speaker 1: someone taught him that. Yeah, like they said it once.
Speaker 1: And he goes that's a good contact. I think, Well,
Speaker 1: then I'm like, are you chasing the cheese? The cheese
Speaker 1: is a smoke show? Wait minute? And then so then
Speaker 1: Jana goes on a date with Connor. Connor shows up
Speaker 1: Crystal Janet, I said, I'm saying about j J Okay, wait, okay,
Speaker 1: So so Crystal is with Chris and um they kiss
Speaker 1: a lot and he goes the Goose is cooked, which
Speaker 1: I just I can't he gave himself that nickname this
Speaker 1: year out He was on this season like two months ago,
Speaker 1: nobody called him the Goose. He came back this summer.
Speaker 1: He sounds up dead at the end of Top Gun, like,
Speaker 1: why would you thank you? I forgot about that thank you?
Speaker 1: What's that where he got the name from? I never
Speaker 1: really he referencing Karate Kid. Yeah, he's got like all
Speaker 1: his movies mixed up. I buy that he mixed it
Speaker 1: up Karate Kid and Top Guns. He's like, isn't it
Speaker 1: the same movie? I don't know, Alerk, what's on your
Speaker 1: list that you want to talk about? Do you want
Speaker 1: to talk about Connor and Crystal? Uh? Yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: so yeah, that's a mess, right, that Chris Connor Crystal
Speaker 1: triangle is a mess. But I have to say, like
Speaker 1: the thing where she comes up and just sits down
Speaker 1: on the lap of whatever guy it is she's talking
Speaker 1: to and like plays with his hair, and it's very
Speaker 1: it would freak me out. I mean, the only situation
Speaker 1: I've ever seen that is during my one or two
Speaker 1: visits during batchelor parties to strip clubs where like, you know,
Speaker 1: but there's a fairly clear thing. It's like, Okay, these
Speaker 1: women would like, do you know, dance for twenty dollars
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. But here it's like it's so
Speaker 1: clearly manipulative, but it works, yeah, because she looks good
Speaker 1: into bikini. She worked for two months on her ass
Speaker 1: plan to get her ass ready, and he said, it's
Speaker 1: very important to him. This is one of the most
Speaker 1: important things. Is asked, and uh and he said the
Speaker 1: two months plan. The button. He said, that's one of
Speaker 1: the most important things to me. That was at the
Speaker 1: top and she said anyway, um yeah, And then they
Speaker 1: go does she sit on people's laps and play with
Speaker 1: their hair? So it starts out and she's sitting on
Speaker 1: Chris's lap telling her telling him how like she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to go on a date with anybody else, and
Speaker 1: then Connor shows up and she said, well, I came
Speaker 1: here to meet Connor. I guess I will go out
Speaker 1: with Connor. And she goes out with Connor, and it
Speaker 1: was like that was weird, Like the back and forth
Speaker 1: it was super weird. It was not. It was certainly
Speaker 1: not a I felt like she was at least being more.
Speaker 1: I actually feel like Crystals behaved herself in Paradise and
Speaker 1: that I felt that she was up front. She said,
Speaker 1: I would want you to know if I went out
Speaker 1: with you, I would be thinking about him. And he
Speaker 1: took it the wrong way and was like, she said
Speaker 1: she wouldn't go out with him. It's like no, she said,
Speaker 1: if if you pick me, I'll be thinking about him.
Speaker 1: And then he was like, I don't care. I want
Speaker 1: to take you anyway, and she was like okay, which
Speaker 1: may or may not have been the nicest, and well
Speaker 1: she was like, I was thinking about him. Well, I
Speaker 1: was making out hard with you, Like yeah, because I
Speaker 1: don't really think she was, you know, honestly, I think
Speaker 1: that she was making out with Connor. She was not
Speaker 1: thinking about I think she was thinking about this. It
Speaker 1: was awesome. I'm making out a Connor. She's been very
Speaker 1: cute in Paradise. Her little outfits have been very cute.
Speaker 1: But that outfit she wore on her date was crazy.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know they made bikini tops there were
Speaker 1: like it covered like her it was nothing like covered
Speaker 1: her nipple and then it tied around. I'm like wn,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's like a date to go to dinner,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even understand how that was there Again,
Speaker 1: they went to the water like they went to some
Speaker 1: weird ritual where they were like and he was like
Speaker 1: bang at the moon, like I'm so not muscles a
Speaker 1: mystical evening. And she said, I love magic. She loves
Speaker 1: the magic. I've never seen her more at home, being
Speaker 1: like buried and like chanted over and there were so
Speaker 1: many black bars covering her ass, which they can't all
Speaker 1: be like can I just like those black squares over?
Speaker 1: They totally fake. I mean, unless she's got like a
Speaker 1: ton of pubes coming out. I wish it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, I caught my ass ready, but I
Speaker 1: forgot to get a wax. It's busy turning up my ass.
Speaker 1: That the front is just like I can feelish one.
Speaker 1: I think they exaggerate it or if like your swimsuit
Speaker 1: like rides up into your butt, and even if they
Speaker 1: love it, like how far up your bone have to
Speaker 1: ride before? I think some of them some of them
Speaker 1: are pretty small. So they go out, they go to
Speaker 1: on a mystical adventure and they get buried and he's
Speaker 1: crawling around and like howling at the moon. She goes,
Speaker 1: I am so zend out right now. I am not
Speaker 1: a staid and then he carries her into the water
Speaker 1: and they dry hump in the See, m hm, he's growdy.
Speaker 1: I don't like Connor. I liked that Tea was calling
Speaker 1: him out that he had a champagne flute and that
Speaker 1: was my favorite thing. Win I'm not going to talk
Speaker 1: my boyd And she's like, I like that was my
Speaker 1: favorite to that moment where she's right and he had
Speaker 1: so much she leave it and he had it. She
Speaker 1: had pain flute filled with tequila. Was that he finally
Speaker 1: came to a place where he could have his shirt
Speaker 1: unbuttoned all the way down. It would be absolutely ridiculous
Speaker 1: because he'd been doing that all year anyway. And he
Speaker 1: threw the frame. We already knew he was like a
Speaker 1: hothead weirdo. There's a lot of hot head. It's like,
Speaker 1: what frat were you in the framethrower? Did you see that? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that from from the early and that last season,
Speaker 1: made the ship nest. He made the ship nest cry.
Speaker 1: He made chit nest cry. It wasn't nice. No, it
Speaker 1: wasn't nice. Even if it's in the ship nest. It
Speaker 1: wasn't nice. Okay. So then Jordan's is freaking out because
Speaker 1: she's off with ben Watt. He says, the wind change
Speaker 1: direction and went straight to ben Wah. He says, I
Speaker 1: don't know even love it first sight, but I believe
Speaker 1: in love at site Jenna and Jordan's um and he
Speaker 1: was like, can I talk to you by the hot tub?
Speaker 1: Ben Wah? And He's like, words and actions aren't matching. Um,
Speaker 1: I pretty much dragged my foot across ben Wah's bag yet,
Speaker 1: is it? What he said? So I'm not front. So
Speaker 1: I would like to talk about about the briefcase. Oh yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: let me see if I can find it, and then
Speaker 1: the LV bag yeah yeah yeah. And I would just
Speaker 1: like to ask everybody if they if they're like, what
Speaker 1: would your bag be? Oh? I was thinking mine, So
Speaker 1: this isn't travel, this isn't an overnight bag. Well so
Speaker 1: this was right there, Like so the question they're like,
Speaker 1: you've got your briefcase, what's in the briefcase passion passion,
Speaker 1: passion in my briefcase, yes, really in my base And
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, what would my bag baby,
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, you'd have like a like a
Speaker 1: Duffel bag, Like that's like an lv bag. Like okay,
Speaker 1: I think I's still with my head shots said filling
Speaker 1: head shots. It's like, wait, you're a football player, why
Speaker 1: do you need head shot head shot? Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: an LVY bag. And then I was like I want
Speaker 1: to and I'm like, oh, man, I wonder what my
Speaker 1: bag would be. So I fear that it would be
Speaker 1: like a canvas toad bag. No, I feel like you
Speaker 1: would have a cute backpack. It might be a cute bag.
Speaker 1: Might you would have a really cute with that one
Speaker 1: with the lining that company. Yeah, if it's just like
Speaker 1: a travel bag for a travel bag, I would have
Speaker 1: which I do at Herschel Duffel already have that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: filled with pillow. You wouldn't be you wouldn't be a
Speaker 1: canvas toad like some stupid or to bag. You might
Speaker 1: be some like high tech like someone that has like
Speaker 1: that has like um where you know, like I feel
Speaker 1: like you be something like on thinkingness like pockets and
Speaker 1: squares and like charging stations. Yeah, it would be like
Speaker 1: like I could have I could have one a Jeff
Speaker 1: Crystals one. I can have something from Voltaic with a
Speaker 1: solar panel, solar panel back we can charge the device.
Speaker 1: There we go, what would I for Voltaic for our
Speaker 1: friend Jeff Crystal. Yes, Jeff Crystal makes these basar backpacks
Speaker 1: for years before anybody else. It comes to a charge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can charge it. Yeah, it's quite think you didn't
Speaker 1: even charge a laptop. Can you take it on the airplane?
Speaker 1: Good question, because sometimes now with those new away suitcases
Speaker 1: and has a charge for it, they lose their minds
Speaker 1: at t s A. That's a bummer. They banned some
Speaker 1: of that they make the business. That is not what
Speaker 1: I would want in my luggage, just guaranteed, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I would be literally a cute clutch
Speaker 1: filled with cats. Oh my god, Oh my god, a
Speaker 1: cat bag, one of the only one of those backpacks
Speaker 1: where the cat sits in there. And can we just
Speaker 1: talk about our first cat, our first podcast last week
Speaker 1: in the house. How crazy Keith was He never was
Speaker 1: a Keith trying to get out of Keith was going
Speaker 1: as if he's allowed outside. He was, and Keith and
Speaker 1: me out we're going, but me, I was like scratching.
Speaker 1: It was awful. Okay, So Kenny and Annelie's it was
Speaker 1: the weirdest. Let's talk for one second about Let's talk
Speaker 1: for one second about John, and they're like okay. And
Speaker 1: there when Jubilie we chatted, it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: so quick he told her so apparently he told her
Speaker 1: I'm not that into you. We just saw her when
Speaker 1: she didn't even take a bye. We just saw her
Speaker 1: wheeling her suitcase away. That went by so quick. I
Speaker 1: feel like I looked down, I was eating dinner and
Speaker 1: looked up and she was going. It was like literally
Speaker 1: they showed like a little flashback of him saying, I
Speaker 1: think would be better if we were just friends. They
Speaker 1: showed him saying it. It was yeah, she showed up
Speaker 1: pretty recently. We should be positives, keep talking. She They
Speaker 1: they were like, so it was the programmer and this
Speaker 1: like lady programmer who had been in the Marines, And
Speaker 1: we were like, we thought they were going to fall
Speaker 1: in love and get married. Yeah, I mean she took
Speaker 1: him from Caroline. I feel like he hasn't really he's
Speaker 1: jumped around a lot. You think he's so psyched to
Speaker 1: just make out with everyone. He's the programmer who's just
Speaker 1: psyched to be near people. How rich do you think
Speaker 1: he is? Oh? How rich is a person who created
Speaker 1: He doesn't work at venmo anymore, so he called himself
Speaker 1: a programmer. He made the app. He was number six
Speaker 1: at Venmo. I looked it up. So he made them
Speaker 1: he made the mobile app. Yeah, how much do you
Speaker 1: think he had? It's hard to say. Um, you know
Speaker 1: now he's like number three and another big startup. I
Speaker 1: googled him. I need to know what you guess. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've got no idea. I mean, I don't know has
Speaker 1: Venomo had an exit where they sold? Did they go
Speaker 1: public or they still just sort of I don't think
Speaker 1: they're public. I don't know. I've had an idea. What
Speaker 1: we could look it up on crunch base. Okay, so
Speaker 1: Kenny and Annalye's he's got to go to his daughter's
Speaker 1: dance recital. You know, I like Kenny, like you know what.
Speaker 1: The dancer side was probably on the calendar before he
Speaker 1: signed up for this thing. Yeah, that's true. He wasn't
Speaker 1: going to make it that far. Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: like maybe he was feeling trapped by nies. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: he just wanted out. I don't know. To me, it
Speaker 1: was it was kind of lame. It was like like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, sure they've had he his daughter on before
Speaker 1: and she was like super supportive him doing this. I
Speaker 1: mean she's older, she's like four. I mean he is
Speaker 1: a single parent. He's the only parent. But like, but
Speaker 1: like it's been on the calendar. It's like a two
Speaker 1: week thing. And maybe he was just getting captured by
Speaker 1: analy unless you know, she unless his daughter game a
Speaker 1: really hard time before he left, and it was like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're missing you know, my my decital,
Speaker 1: like and he went anyway, okay, if I can see it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have more information on John. So he was actually
Speaker 1: the fifth active employee of the company. But then in
Speaker 1: Or moved to finn which is an application that's like
Speaker 1: an artificial intelligence butler. All right, have you heard of that?
Speaker 1: No peer anyway, So so Venmo, the other robot. Venmo
Speaker 1: was started for not much money and sold for not
Speaker 1: that much money in two thousand and twelve to Braintree,
Speaker 1: which is now on my PayPal. We looked it up
Speaker 1: so um. So he might have ended up with some
Speaker 1: PayPal stock that would be oh, there you go, that'll
Speaker 1: do it public and all right that okay? Then that
Speaker 1: that would do it. He might have a little money.
Speaker 1: So Annelie Annalie's God bless her. Antalie's weeping, weeping about Kenny.
Speaker 1: Why I just want my person? Why weeping? He's going away?
Speaker 1: There's nobody here for me. And then the twenty seconds
Speaker 1: later Camille shows up. He's the sixty forty guy and
Speaker 1: he goes, I would never say that to a girl
Speaker 1: in real life. It's like he said. She was like,
Speaker 1: I'm fifty fifty and then he was like, he goes
Speaker 1: or sixty forty and he took a step back. He
Speaker 1: was like come to me and she was like bye, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then like he walked away and she's like sixty forty.
Speaker 1: And he got cut night one because he was I
Speaker 1: think my number one pick and then he got cut
Speaker 1: night one. He was a lot of our villain pick
Speaker 1: or crazy pick. Yeah. So he so they show up,
Speaker 1: he takes analysa on the date and are you going
Speaker 1: on deepun job? Yeah, it's saying he's worth about five
Speaker 1: million because he started his own app, Teleportante, which was
Speaker 1: a drawing app. The Internet says, I'm worth like twenty
Speaker 1: Things are never right, Can I just tell you. I like,
Speaker 1: there was like a network thing. I was like, I
Speaker 1: wish that was accurate. I did one TV I can
Speaker 1: to guarantee you. Yeah, it's not the case. I wish
Speaker 1: I was accurate. Um, I'm worth a billion dollars. I
Speaker 1: was eight billion Ikea lamps. That's true. Um. So she
Speaker 1: goes out with Camille and who's just her type? Oh
Speaker 1: my god. And she was the one that was freaking
Speaker 1: out on bumper cars. You know they planned that date
Speaker 1: for her to cry. I think they wanted to freak out.
Speaker 1: And then she just loved it. It was like, once
Speaker 1: she's getting attention from a man, she's like, I'll drive
Speaker 1: across this crazy rope bridge in Mexico in this crazy
Speaker 1: jeep that looked really scary. I think I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done it. I would know it. I did not want
Speaker 1: to do that. I would I would probably have done
Speaker 1: it just because I would have felt like all the
Speaker 1: social pressure to do it, but I wouldn't have wanted to.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want it to do that and she was
Speaker 1: like crying at bumper cars and like it just shows
Speaker 1: you if she has male attention. Dude. They were clearly
Speaker 1: built that for her to cry in front of Camille,
Speaker 1: and she was like loving it. She also was driving
Speaker 1: so crazy that it was freaking Camille out, Like Camille
Speaker 1: was having his phone traumatic. I just realized this now,
Speaker 1: like they found the scariest car thing they could find,
Speaker 1: and she totally roast the challenge. She scared him. She
Speaker 1: scared him and was like, quite honestly a pretty fun date.
Speaker 1: Like I felt like that's what's interesting about her is
Speaker 1: for somebody who cries a lot, she's actually like a
Speaker 1: good sport when she's going yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: But she's a she's an interesting character. Our yeah, um,
Speaker 1: all all those things. But she's so all in. It's
Speaker 1: just like I'm all my not Kenny, and it's like
Speaker 1: Camilla is the one, and she was all on the door.
Speaker 1: They had like the you know her her confessional speaking
Speaker 1: over like after their first kiss and she goes, we're
Speaker 1: one of the most like what she's like one of
Speaker 1: the strongest, one of the strongest couples here, And I
Speaker 1: was like, you guys, just kiss do you remember made
Speaker 1: She doesn't care. She doesn't care. Side note about the
Speaker 1: briefcase thing, he said, you have my briefcase, and I
Speaker 1: don't like your little French fingers going through my things.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. That's an amazing it was an amazing moment.
Speaker 1: It's an amazing has the best quotes. He's amazing. Okay.
Speaker 1: Side note. One of our listeners emailed us she met him.
Speaker 1: She met him. Oh my god, I didn't email you.
Speaker 1: I've been so crazy. I called Anna and left her
Speaker 1: an insane message. Yeah, will you play the message? Get
Speaker 1: this happened yesterday. This is a message I left one
Speaker 1: for Debbie Ryan to This is yesterday, like at noon,
Speaker 1: midday working. Jordan's said, take what podcast? Jordan's said, they
Speaker 1: look at the podcast. Jordan's the podcast. Oh my god. Okay, goodbye, okay, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so okay, goodbye, Okay. So this lady, one of our
Speaker 1: fans met him at some charity event, got a picture
Speaker 1: with him. She said it was really nice. She's like,
Speaker 1: they're obsessed with you. They why are you the podcast?
Speaker 1: They be and drinking out of those mugs if he
Speaker 1: does it, and yeah, oh my god, anything you got
Speaker 1: that thoughtful gentleman mugg. Yes, yes, from another fan, that's him,
Speaker 1: that Jordan. Yeah, I noticed, Oh my god, he's the best. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: So and in fact, you could make mug buns. You
Speaker 1: can be like your mug is online mug. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And then we can get a picture of me in
Speaker 1: Jordan and make a mug. We get all the bugs
Speaker 1: we can hold, he told, a mug of Doorgan mugs,
Speaker 1: and then get a picture of us on the mugs.
Speaker 1: It would be the best thing ever. Um. So let's
Speaker 1: talk about we should sell those photos on the mugs.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the shots our Okay, let's talk about
Speaker 1: Canadian Kevin going crazy with Astrid for a moment there
Speaker 1: once before I understood what was happening. So he was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think. She's like, god, I'm so
Speaker 1: happy seven days. He was like seven years. He's like
Speaker 1: me too, you know, would be really great if you
Speaker 1: dated some other guys. She's like wait what And I'm like,
Speaker 1: is he like, does he like only get turned on
Speaker 1: of like She's like he just feel like there's like
Speaker 1: no competition. Then when I understood, like, okay, this guy
Speaker 1: goes to therapy twice a week. He's been public once.
Speaker 1: It felt quite creepy out of the gate, but then
Speaker 1: when he started to say, like he's been all in
Speaker 1: on two ladies, I was wrong. Somebody emailed I thought
Speaker 1: he was the bachelor, he won the bachelorette, and then
Speaker 1: she broke his heart. I get I think I was
Speaker 1: literally like, did Ashley eyes virginity put this guy didn't
Speaker 1: therapy two times a week? Oh my god? Broke you
Speaker 1: know what? It probably didn't help. It probably didn't help
Speaker 1: because he took the virginity and and then she could
Speaker 1: stare it. Do you think she's like mad about that?
Speaker 1: Do you think she's like, if I had just held out,
Speaker 1: Jared maybe would have come around. He could know Jared, No,
Speaker 1: it was too off putting. He couldn't have taken her
Speaker 1: virginity as soon as she became non Ever, when she
Speaker 1: cleared the door, he cleared just think once he takes
Speaker 1: cold virginity virgin um. And so he made the TV
Speaker 1: set for them on the beach for them to hang out.
Speaker 1: That was cute. I think they're going to get engaged.
Speaker 1: If anybody really I really like them. I think a
Speaker 1: really good couple. I think she is very She's just smart.
Speaker 1: She's like, you know, guy, I like her. I like
Speaker 1: her a lot. I am concerned though, next week when
Speaker 1: Ashley I and Jared proposed or whatever in front of like,
Speaker 1: I didn't even think of that needs his therapist as Apple.
Speaker 1: He took the virginity of this crying vision on Winter Games.
Speaker 1: They were like the color. They were actually a very
Speaker 1: cute couple. He was mad enough for her. And then
Speaker 1: the man that she stalked for years because he looked
Speaker 1: like Aladdin came back from Australia with the deal, but
Speaker 1: she just legs and put a ring on it. Finally broken. Yeah, Aleric,
Speaker 1: what do you have to say? Are you getting tired? No?
Speaker 1: I don't know to say that. Okay, about that, Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go, moving along. Let's get to Eric's date
Speaker 1: with Angela where the person was walking behind them scattering
Speaker 1: rose petals in the hotel. How do you get a
Speaker 1: date like that? It's so crazy, how much how much
Speaker 1: seafood was waiting for that ice cream tub that kind
Speaker 1: of made me want to puke, and then they followed
Speaker 1: it with cheese. Because after I've eaten a tub of
Speaker 1: ice cream, what I really want is some and then
Speaker 1: like all the cookies in the background, which they didn't
Speaker 1: even touch it. I was watching and then all the champaign.
Speaker 1: I was like just looking at how much food was
Speaker 1: being wasted. I thought about all those like that, all
Speaker 1: that seafood that die like Alexa vegetarian too, ye, yes
Speaker 1: they all are. I was really upset. I don't really
Speaker 1: care about animals though, same, Yeah I did. I I
Speaker 1: was upset. I actually and I were very did that
Speaker 1: did seafood? I felt like that's the thing is. Also
Speaker 1: with the hot dogs they brought out, I was like,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna eat twenty hot dogs. That's going to
Speaker 1: get My friend Cheryl in college ate a Mexican hot
Speaker 1: dog and had diarrhea for like seven months. I just
Speaker 1: got I remember her saying, never eat a Mexican dog.
Speaker 1: Diarrhea for seven months. I'm sure she d the el
Speaker 1: said Mega Resort in mazow in Mexico, she had a
Speaker 1: street hot dogs. Well, she said it felt like it
Speaker 1: had a vein in it. It's vegetarian. Now she beca
Speaker 1: doesn't eat meat. What does that? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: know she's vegetarian now. I think that pushed her awake
Speaker 1: when Paget said she went there in a terrible plumbing. Oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, I've been to Saloom. You have to
Speaker 1: like throw your toilet paper in the trash care apparently
Speaker 1: what they're doing Mexican because it's well, not all of it,
Speaker 1: not no, no, it's more when it's like the eco resorts,
Speaker 1: like it's the ones that look like the huts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. These countries don't have great pipes. That's what. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it makes sense. My fancy office building in Brazil had
Speaker 1: a little sign that basically asked you to do that,
Speaker 1: and I remember being like, no, I'm an American. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I get in trouble a lot in Neuron
Speaker 1: because they're like, Okay, we're just gonna have to sort
Speaker 1: it out. Can I say my favorite part of The
Speaker 1: Pot of Pot My favorite part of the show was
Speaker 1: when they finally got to the road ceremony and Chris Harrison,
Speaker 1: the corpse of Chris Harrison walked up and Jordan goes, Chris,
Speaker 1: put your pocket square up. That was incredible. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was incredible. I think my favorite part might have been,
Speaker 1: um when when uh, when Harry Lee Schreiber was like,
Speaker 1: was like Paradise needs to burn to the ground. And
Speaker 1: then when he was screaming, he was like, I'd like
Speaker 1: to make to make a toast, Like I'd like to
Speaker 1: make a toast. Here's a toast, here's to uh he
Speaker 1: he said? What did he say? Oh, I'm really okay.
Speaker 1: There was a little arttel because I kept beeping it
Speaker 1: all out. Yeah, I can turn down the eight c
Speaker 1: um When he was like, okay, here's to Kendall. Basically
Speaker 1: he was like basically like here's to Kendall, being like
Speaker 1: a little bitch or whatever, like it's likely here are lying. Yeah, yeah, Kendall.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he goes here to is he goes, Kendall,
Speaker 1: great first day. Here's hoping that you, um you find
Speaker 1: someone too. It's a shame to find out you're full
Speaker 1: of ship. That's what he said. I thought it was
Speaker 1: fascinating that when they pulled out they were sitting right
Speaker 1: next to each other. I was like, they were yeah,
Speaker 1: they were sitting. She was sitting It was it was Leo, Kendall,
Speaker 1: John and Joe was in the background, and I was like,
Speaker 1: why is that happening? It was weird. I was like that,
Speaker 1: first of all, she's right next to you. Also, how
Speaker 1: do you think this is Everyone's gonna be like, you're
Speaker 1: right like going home and he's just like he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna burn this down. I think they just like
Speaker 1: people just telling like that, I like how much air
Speaker 1: time or you're like, I'm gonna be the best. I
Speaker 1: did it on purpose. I played them. It's like you
Speaker 1: are clearly trying to get air time. You know you
Speaker 1: played yourself with that hair. You did play yourself. That
Speaker 1: was so kendall sweet, like like what a class list
Speaker 1: son of a gun? Oh, it was still compelling. Television
Speaker 1: was um, did you tell your coworkers what you did today?
Speaker 1: As I walked out, I told you want four hours?
Speaker 1: Last night I watched like three hours now. I had
Speaker 1: watched most of Monday nights Monday night, but I fell
Speaker 1: asleep because I was super tired from the flight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So then I I was kind of watching that and
Speaker 1: then actually for a while I was watching two episodes
Speaker 1: at the same time because there wasn't that much overlap.
Speaker 1: And I figured, anyway, do you have you touched JJ?
Speaker 1: But I haven't talked to j J about it. I
Speaker 1: just tested it out. J j Uh. Yeah, I told
Speaker 1: my co founder John Mayfield, and he said that I
Speaker 1: was coming to do this, and he said that his
Speaker 1: wife had just watched this last night. Perhaps she might
Speaker 1: like to listen to the podcast. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: maybe not the one I'm going to be one. And
Speaker 1: then he said, you never continue, you know, you never
Speaker 1: continue to cease to surprise me. Here you got things,
Speaker 1: and thenies we we had a wait a moment. You're
Speaker 1: high five and someone wheeled in some cheese. So can
Speaker 1: I ask a question? What's the story? What's the backstory
Speaker 1: to the whole cheese thing? I felt like that cheese
Speaker 1: was reverencing from the week before. It was Eric and
Speaker 1: Ken me just sitting down. They started it started out
Speaker 1: was like a quick metaphor, and then they talked about
Speaker 1: it and they edited it in. It was like them
Speaker 1: for seven minutes going, look, somebody moves your cheese. For
Speaker 1: so long you're like a lot of raps and just
Speaker 1: sit there, going where does the cheese come about? What's
Speaker 1: the cheese coming back? You gotta move with the cheese,
Speaker 1: Like all right, I get it. But then it went
Speaker 1: on and then it went on and on, and so
Speaker 1: when I first saw the book, who Moved My Cheese?
Speaker 1: Which we got for for Willie. Well, I assumed it was.
Speaker 1: It was a little thing because of you. Here's a
Speaker 1: storry about our dad, So I, like, I immediately thought
Speaker 1: of my father, but I didn't think of it as
Speaker 1: a metaphor. Like my father, if he had some cheese
Speaker 1: and you moved it, he would be very upset. He obsessed.
Speaker 1: He was obsessed with his weight. I will never forget
Speaker 1: hearing there was a ham. There was a rusty hammer
Speaker 1: that was out on our countertops for like one summer,
Speaker 1: and then somebody like put it away because it was
Speaker 1: in the kitchen. It was an old rusty hammer. And
Speaker 1: then I heard him one day go, goddamn it, Oh
Speaker 1: move my cookie hammer. We're like cookie, cookie ham. He
Speaker 1: was like cookie. He did not appreciate it when you
Speaker 1: moved his cookie hammer. He had been buying. He was
Speaker 1: obsessed with his way. He had been a heavy set child,
Speaker 1: and he was tortured by his way. Even he wasn't
Speaker 1: he was a perfectly normal sized guy, but he would
Speaker 1: buy gigantic dinner plate sized cookies and then get super stale,
Speaker 1: so stale he would age them on top of the
Speaker 1: refrigerator that they were so hard. He couldn't take a bite,
Speaker 1: so that he would have to eat him slower. He
Speaker 1: would need a hammer to break a piece up, and
Speaker 1: then he would dunk it in tea because it was
Speaker 1: so fucking hard that you couldn't eat it. He'd have
Speaker 1: to like suck it. And perhaps the only example of
Speaker 1: him ever being eco conscious, he also reused his plastic
Speaker 1: drink king straws and so, yeah, the whole thing, You'll
Speaker 1: be like, who moved my straw? That that's my straw
Speaker 1: soda cuz in a bendy straw. Every story I've heard
Speaker 1: about your father is the most interesting thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Like he truly is the most fasting, Like every story
Speaker 1: like what but I saw the book. Yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: the book and I was like, who moved my cheese?
Speaker 1: And and then at some point as I was looking
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, this is some sort of
Speaker 1: like big metaphor. But like to me, it was like no,
Speaker 1: like it doesn't need to be a metaphor. Like if
Speaker 1: it was my father's cheese and you moved it, yea,
Speaker 1: it really ruined his day. Who moved my cheese? Yes
Speaker 1: to j J? J J? Did you move my cheese?
Speaker 1: J J? How do you expel your name? Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about Jane's your nickname? I love
Speaker 1: like a j J. It makes her young j J.
Speaker 1: She sed it. She signed her email her dating profile.
Speaker 1: You're trying to spell yes j J J J A
Speaker 1: from myran. Okay, sorry, it turns out my sister is
Speaker 1: one of those people who like obsessively just no, I
Speaker 1: just because I never have guessed. I haven't. I haven't
Speaker 1: had a house that could have guests in so many
Speaker 1: years that I don't know how to roll with people.
Speaker 1: My wife does this. There's a lot of like, what's
Speaker 1: the what's the to him? I get said to seventy,
Speaker 1: she said, could you make it sixty nine? Yeah, she's right,
Speaker 1: She's right. That's how my boyfriend what what? What's it is?
Speaker 1: The fan on? I'm like, I don't know, make a medium?
Speaker 1: She's right, j I just want everybody to feel good.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I don't have proper snacks for you guys.
Speaker 1: I was getting his ship together today. Okay, let's say
Speaker 1: about the hot dog. Let's say with the hot dogs
Speaker 1: with Colton and Tea. That was cute. That was the
Speaker 1: first time they actually seem happy it was like a
Speaker 1: sweet thing that was cute. It was cute. She was like,
Speaker 1: that's creating hot dogs and he gave me hot and
Speaker 1: watching them workout on the beach, it was actually I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they actually seemed like a cute girl.
Speaker 1: They really do come around on them. He seems like
Speaker 1: he likes her to he did. He does seem like
Speaker 1: he liked her. So I was like, or he sends
Speaker 1: a message that she now doesn't think he's gay. Once
Speaker 1: she saw the hot dog, when she saw him putting
Speaker 1: weeners on her, Yeah, she just felt like the whole thing.
Speaker 1: She felt like he actually seemed no, he really seemed
Speaker 1: the like her. And also you had wrote up like uh,
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison when he walked in and Jordan telling him
Speaker 1: about the thing. But she was like, like that suit
Speaker 1: on you and he and I saw, I said cold
Speaker 1: looks at her like what but he did look good.
Speaker 1: And that's it. So I've been trying to read my
Speaker 1: own handwriting, my long and in fact the thing that
Speaker 1: is I scribbled. I remember when I wrote. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm in a bed to read that,
Speaker 1: but it's all right, I'll remember, but I don't but
Speaker 1: it was. It was the other favorite moment, which is
Speaker 1: the very end, when when he was talking about the
Speaker 1: fact that he apparently never wears underweard, oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: that he never wears under. I knew a guy that
Speaker 1: never were ever think about Mary. Al you got caught
Speaker 1: in Dr Denton's when we were kids, didn't you. It
Speaker 1: was horrible. Thanks for reminding me. I had forgotten about
Speaker 1: the doctor dam I kid like was it? Asked her
Speaker 1: there She said something like how he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I caught it once, and then she goes, is that
Speaker 1: why you don't use it? Yeah? I didn't love it.
Speaker 1: I love that. I couldn't stop laughing. There was something
Speaker 1: about Mary where Ben still kid yeah, and that closed
Speaker 1: up looking at it was the means of the Frank
Speaker 1: So I have this written down and it was related
Speaker 1: to that, and it just says like that's according to
Speaker 1: my notes. It says that's how electro box sacks. Wait
Speaker 1: what it says that's how electro bot SATs. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what it really is. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what I can read. I know, I know
Speaker 1: several guys that don't wander. We're actually now I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about it, like, like how a lot of like friends
Speaker 1: in college I remember like them talking to me like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't worrunder. I feel like in college people don't
Speaker 1: want underwear would but if you're a professional, I mean
Speaker 1: he needs just how he said he wears him when
Speaker 1: he works out. How about the fact that Kevin wears
Speaker 1: something like he sticks his balls and stuff. That's so
Speaker 1: Canadian most I didn't understand that. It was like that
Speaker 1: feels like the toast of like West Hollywood. Like when
Speaker 1: you say that's so Canadian, I don't even know. But
Speaker 1: it sounds like like a technology that was just created.
Speaker 1: Don't you stand it. It's like a little like holder
Speaker 1: and they're so gay to me, It's like they like
Speaker 1: it seems like if they just have like it seems
Speaker 1: like it's something that you're attached to your pants, don't
Speaker 1: I'm completely guessing the way how I imagine something that
Speaker 1: attaches to your pants, Like it's almost like you have
Speaker 1: like those things that you can attach to cover your cleavage,
Speaker 1: like a dicky, like a dickie something like that. Or
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a bolly, like it's like a
Speaker 1: ball literally a hammock that it's actually it's a it's
Speaker 1: a banana hammock. Yeah, but it's just a time picture.
Speaker 1: I pictured like this sort of a brief that has
Speaker 1: like a pouch that you dropped your sack in that's
Speaker 1: sort of separate. Yeah, and set that's like a separate
Speaker 1: like nut sack thing. Like I pictured like a tight
Speaker 1: like bikini brief with a separate pouch that you stick
Speaker 1: your sack at. Alerc What did you picture? I tried
Speaker 1: not to picture it in any great detail because it
Speaker 1: would have involved but with that that piece for if
Speaker 1: you don't want it seems like it's something you use
Speaker 1: if you don't want to wear underwear. Oh, I felt
Speaker 1: like he because I felt like he was. I thought
Speaker 1: he was saying he has a special underwear that holds
Speaker 1: his ball separate. I don't know. Email us if you like,
Speaker 1: email us when he doesn't want to wear underwear, like
Speaker 1: like the nipple covers like the nipple covers ball sock.
Speaker 1: That's what you thought it was, because it's Canada, that's
Speaker 1: what she it was, you know. I thought it was
Speaker 1: like a bikini brief for a man that has a
Speaker 1: special extra pouch that kind of like keeps your sack.
Speaker 1: Actually I know. I did think it was like a
Speaker 1: weird ball song, just like Kevin and be like, you
Speaker 1: just send us a picture of here. I never know
Speaker 1: how this balsa guy, we're balzack. I need to know
Speaker 1: your sack, sau send you one. Okay, wait, so now
Speaker 1: we know that Angela. Okay, I don't like that Angela
Speaker 1: and Angela and Eric were all in. He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: all in. He also guess let her and then he
Speaker 1: was like, no, I told you I was here. Was like,
Speaker 1: I can't stop. Oh my god, that's right. She showed
Speaker 1: up and she was like and then he was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I yeah, I was all in, but I told you
Speaker 1: and I woke up. I changed my mind. That was better.
Speaker 1: And then he went on the date with that girl.
Speaker 1: Do we see their date also? It no? No, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's when there's two I say, the next a lot right, yeah,
Speaker 1: also one Pablo season. I mean, come on, I don't
Speaker 1: even remember. I don't either. She's twenty six and she
Speaker 1: was the first Paradise. I think that was a long time.
Speaker 1: She's a kid too. Yeah, that's what I was saying,
Speaker 1: which means she's probably like in her late thirties and
Speaker 1: sayce she's five since she was like twenty ships twenty
Speaker 1: one when she was on the show. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I think. Aleric, what do you have to say? This
Speaker 1: is the one that went on the day with Eric.
Speaker 1: Eric went on with Angela, and then Eric woke up
Speaker 1: in the morning when somebody with big boobs, Joe goes,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, she's pretty scot big boobs, she'll
Speaker 1: probably do well here of grocers. Joe Onnest answer, he's right.
Speaker 1: You know, when Eric was on that crazy day with
Speaker 1: all the with all the shell necklace, with that shell necklace. Once,
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, oh I remember, because I actually remember
Speaker 1: Eric because that was the other yeah, exactly miracle season.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know, I remember Eric. He
Speaker 1: seemed uncomplicated and optimistic and nice, and it's hard not
Speaker 1: to like Eric. He started like cute and charming, and
Speaker 1: then as he said, and then he's like, goes on
Speaker 1: this great day and she said it makes me feel
Speaker 1: like a princess. And then the next day is like
Speaker 1: baby got back, yeah, yeah, and yeah, and then there
Speaker 1: was I was like, oh, yeah, I mean, to be fair,
Speaker 1: he didn't seem like he was madly in Loved With
Speaker 1: With with Angela, but they seemed like, you know, he
Speaker 1: was he was welcome to open Huy. He's not going
Speaker 1: to be mean about it. He literally just sees it
Speaker 1: like oh well, like you can't stop him. But it's like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Yeah, where to see that? As
Speaker 1: a lady, you kind of want to arrive late. It's
Speaker 1: tough because you well, it's also right right, you know,
Speaker 1: like all right, so the new person arrives. You survived
Speaker 1: by being you know, like all coupled up, right, And
Speaker 1: so the newer arrives and they're like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: you're really you're gonna have a tough time because everyone's
Speaker 1: all coupled up. And then but it turns out that
Speaker 1: a lot of these couples are like, yeah, I've been
Speaker 1: coupled up until until something better comes along, and like
Speaker 1: that's how the show is set up. And you know,
Speaker 1: and and I guess, you know, you just sort of
Speaker 1: have to accept that it's a it's a mean, it's
Speaker 1: a mean. It's basically I think they also know they
Speaker 1: do it on purpose, Like they know it's like okay,
Speaker 1: Alaric's with Susie, but they know Al's real hot. For
Speaker 1: teacher with daniel So but Alex Susie have fallen in
Speaker 1: love and they're like they're actually going strong, but like
Speaker 1: but they know just when your guard is down. It's like,
Speaker 1: because daniel you read it interfere, they ask you who
Speaker 1: you want? Yeah, they know, they know what you said,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, ship, I didn't think Danielle was coming.
Speaker 1: And it's also like I had to say just to
Speaker 1: get a roast to stay here. Yeah. I also did
Speaker 1: enjoy a side note after get out of here, Tarzan,
Speaker 1: we don't need your drama. I enjoyed Crystal saying I
Speaker 1: have stage upstairs and crystals. I can go get them
Speaker 1: and we could smudge this place. Yea. I also also
Speaker 1: liked Jordan doing his hair and make up into the
Speaker 1: camera when he started talking. That was amazing. That was
Speaker 1: an amazing amazing. In fact, I'm going one further and
Speaker 1: to say that I think it's so meta that like
Speaker 1: he he wanted that part to also make I think
Speaker 1: he wanted that part to edit it in like like,
Speaker 1: I think he's thrilled that they edited him his his
Speaker 1: preening before his fake reaction. It's awesome. I this Ralph
Speaker 1: Garman does our podcast. He and I both agree. We
Speaker 1: think he is the greatest character fiction or nonfiction, who
Speaker 1: has ever been on a television program. Better than anybody,
Speaker 1: like on the Wire, better than any you know, Like
Speaker 1: this is the greatest character ever on television. Okay, might
Speaker 1: be the most. I know. People always say he is
Speaker 1: doing an act, but I feel so genuine Sincere wears
Speaker 1: all his emotions on his sleep. But he's upset. He's upset,
Speaker 1: I mean like dog yeah, yeah, no, no, I agree
Speaker 1: with you. He agree with you. I think he's and
Speaker 1: then he like he did truly show remorse. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: he like was like and he had said in this episode,
Speaker 1: he goes, I've been a good boy lately. He's very sweet,
Speaker 1: like he's very protective. No, when he's a hothead, it's
Speaker 1: not it's not good, it's it's actually is like he's
Speaker 1: something he's actually working on. And you can see that
Speaker 1: he is bonkers for her. Did you see it? Like
Speaker 1: he was like it showed like him and David just
Speaker 1: having like a normal conting. What is happening? Because because
Speaker 1: Jenna said that she was like happy to be with
Speaker 1: him and David, David said to her, like yeah, it
Speaker 1: was very weird. Um. So here's Crystal. So Chris send
Speaker 1: up a yoga Matt and he's like, I'm gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna teach me how to do yoga and she goes,
Speaker 1: you're gonna make me work? Was I don't. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Also kind of felt bad for Chris because I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think he was actually trying. I know I do too,
Speaker 1: and he was just like, oh, she likes right. He
Speaker 1: woke her up and she's like in her underwear and
Speaker 1: then he goes, um, I definitely no, Mi mistaid way
Speaker 1: harder than Connor did. There's a lot of Nomastaid jokes.
Speaker 1: But then she actually was very sweet and gave him
Speaker 1: a nice I have to say, she's been she got
Speaker 1: into it, and she is kind of foxy. L she's
Speaker 1: super foxy. She's super foxy if that was your And
Speaker 1: she's super manipulative with men because she's super foxy and
Speaker 1: she knows that it works, and yeah, she is. You're
Speaker 1: you know, you didn't even see the season and you're
Speaker 1: dead on. She's super manipulative and super foxy. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you know, just that's part of I think, like how
Speaker 1: very attractively the way able to go through life differently
Speaker 1: in the rest of it. Why is no one going
Speaker 1: for Chelsea the single mom. I don't know, you could
Speaker 1: just be you know, just kind of game strategy stuff,
Speaker 1: like she's not clicking with anyone. I mean, Bibiona didn't
Speaker 1: click with anyone. Yeah, something just happens our final thing here.
Speaker 1: So then we have John and Chelsea. Chelsea gave John
Speaker 1: just everyone was kissing Chelsea. Chelsea gave John the rose,
Speaker 1: and then up shows Olivia Olivia. No, no, Olivia is
Speaker 1: the one that made so that was Cassandra. Cassandra is
Speaker 1: the one that went with Eric. Olivia was the girl,
Speaker 1: the black girl. Okay, yeah, so she's from one Papla
Speaker 1: or Nossandra's from one Pablo. Olivia was cut night one
Speaker 1: from Aria. So they so they crashed a Kissinia and
Speaker 1: at first it really looked like nobody wanted them there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was weird. When they walked on stage, I was like,
Speaker 1: nobody wanted them at that party, did not. It did
Speaker 1: not look like it actually had been set up at
Speaker 1: the producer how what, I don't know what that felt like.
Speaker 1: It was like Horges friends. They were like, hey, we
Speaker 1: never talked about the fact that Horree was like they
Speaker 1: had him, I wrote a book, and then that he
Speaker 1: was also in the square. When Colton and TiO win
Speaker 1: in on their date, hones to Hayes, I meanses, I
Speaker 1: don't know, and then um, he seems to be I
Speaker 1: feel like they used him as a liaison. I know.
Speaker 1: I think they also feel bad that they replaced him,
Speaker 1: and they feel like they liked me too too. So
Speaker 1: then um, Chris is talking to Olivia and says not
Speaker 1: like Chris is talking to Chelsea and says, John is
Speaker 1: a horror you got a hot mom? I would um,
Speaker 1: I would have what did you feel like? I would
Speaker 1: have hit that? What did he say? This is where
Speaker 1: he says smoke show and she's a smoke show to
Speaker 1: her face, and there was like Chris, am I right, yeah,
Speaker 1: my right, christ right, So so weird. But John was
Speaker 1: pretty curious. So John was that He's like, nobody's better,
Speaker 1: and it goes She's like, it's cute that he can't dance,
Speaker 1: and he goes nobody and I mean nobody cuts off
Speaker 1: the dance floor like a programmer does for real. Though
Speaker 1: he is like he's just going after everyone, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of like because I'm like, John, you're so cute
Speaker 1: and you seem so sweet, like, don't turn into a
Speaker 1: horror you know, like like, don't overdo it. He's so psyched.
Speaker 1: What do you think? Um, there's a great little novel
Speaker 1: called The Nobles about a guy who is a programmer
Speaker 1: who had made some money in a software startup and
Speaker 1: his troubles with women, which I will just if anyone
Speaker 1: should it good? Yeah, it's quite it's quite a good book. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not super long. Sometimes I wonder if
Speaker 1: it's like guys who are stand ups and they get
Speaker 1: really successful and then they like to think the programmers
Speaker 1: just go for like only sort of the MODELI type girls. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's more along the lines of like you know
Speaker 1: that he that they just don't understand and other people
Speaker 1: very well, like anybody and and so h and particularly women, right,
Speaker 1: I can see that and so uh and so when
Speaker 1: they finally connect with one, you know, and and it
Speaker 1: gets messed up in any way, then they're back to
Speaker 1: sort of like they just don't get other. That's when
Speaker 1: he was saying. He was like, oh, there's different types
Speaker 1: of that intelligence. Yeah, I buy that, Because he was like,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what I need. He kind of
Speaker 1: implied that he needed more social intelligence. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think that is I think that is true of a
Speaker 1: lot of programmers and and you know, and and probably
Speaker 1: men in general. But yes, anyway, if if anyone's looking
Speaker 1: for a good literary recommendation, it's called the unknowable. Is
Speaker 1: it good? It is good? All right? Um, do you
Speaker 1: guys have anything you want to promote? Al are you
Speaker 1: going to finish I think it's only like two more
Speaker 1: episodes or are you going to finish watching the season
Speaker 1: so you me and j J can talk? I might Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's yeah, there's two more weeks, so four more episodes,
Speaker 1: so scary. Next week there's like, yeah, the people the
Speaker 1: Old East come back. Yeah, but their babies GIRs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a buzz on the romance. Right then,
Speaker 1: in a minute, let's not go to the what do
Speaker 1: they call it the boom boom room. We're talking. Oh,
Speaker 1: I know, it doesn't feel like people are humping as
Speaker 1: much this year, and let's are just not showing it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't but it doesn't have a sexy like it
Speaker 1: really doesn't feel like they're because before, before the scandal
Speaker 1: last year, it really felt like it was just a
Speaker 1: They even showed people sometimes where they would say, hey,
Speaker 1: we want like the bang room tonight, which is weird
Speaker 1: that there's only one room and they're all just having sex.
Speaker 1: Emence before, I feel like before they would all just
Speaker 1: like cuple off and like they would just have to
Speaker 1: like hide. They did try to hide from the camera, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that was just maybe they're just not showing
Speaker 1: it because of what happened. That smart, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like sexes in the because they would say like
Speaker 1: good morning, as if they were just seeing each other.
Speaker 1: I feel like the only time they implied when Astrid
Speaker 1: said she spent the night with Yeah, what's his name Kevin? Yeah? So,
Speaker 1: and and she has said that she wakes up with Colton.
Speaker 1: But I mean, they clearly aren't having sex, but they're
Speaker 1: sleeping together. So can I just pull y'all? Like one
Speaker 1: of my main reactions in watching the show is to
Speaker 1: be just scandalized. Okay that and you know, and it's
Speaker 1: true that as someone from New England that that I
Speaker 1: am the cultural descendant of a Puritan, right, like really
Speaker 1: like I didn't really appreciate this growing up, but the
Speaker 1: more I spend time anywhere besides New England, the more
Speaker 1: I realized they sent to wheres like, oh yes, it's
Speaker 1: you know, it is a very brutish place to be. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I am, I am, I am scandalized by all
Speaker 1: of this, all of this is this is this? How
Speaker 1: is this how dating works with millennial I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I don't think so. I mean I also,
Speaker 1: you know, I got married before the invention of Tinder,
Speaker 1: So um, I think if you want, I think, if
Speaker 1: you really, I think if you are single and you
Speaker 1: want to get laid, you can get laid weight easier
Speaker 1: now Tinder exists because you can say on Tinder, I'm
Speaker 1: just looking for a one night you know. So I
Speaker 1: think that it's easier everything. Yeah, because I would imagine
Speaker 1: it also, like so if you're with somebody, it's like
Speaker 1: the fear that they're just gonna want to go, like
Speaker 1: it's so easy for them to the Other thing which
Speaker 1: is weird about the show, right, is the extent to
Speaker 1: which it's this this this crazy combination by design of
Speaker 1: you know, serial monogamy, right, which is my generation. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if millennials are doing this, but but my generation,
Speaker 1: it was like it was basically serial monogamy, right, you
Speaker 1: would have there would be a boyfriend and girlfriend, and
Speaker 1: then you would be pretty much by definition, you know,
Speaker 1: like monogamous with each other until you moved on to
Speaker 1: the next sort of monogamous situation and then eventually, you know,
Speaker 1: you get married and then But this is like a
Speaker 1: combination of that in the sense that like, okay, you
Speaker 1: know we're coupled up and like and and it's just
Speaker 1: us too, it's and then I might and then I
Speaker 1: might move to another couple because you need to always
Speaker 1: have somebody at the end of the dance or you're
Speaker 1: gonna get you know, sent home. Right, I think it's
Speaker 1: I was designed to create serial monogamy, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, it's also designed to stir it up. And like,
Speaker 1: I mean, people do a lot of different people at
Speaker 1: the same time. Now, I think it's a lot of
Speaker 1: different people doing a lot of different people until until
Speaker 1: they settled out, they're always anything like I'm staying open. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm staying open. Can the young people tweet at us
Speaker 1: and what us know? What you're doing? Hey young people,
Speaker 1: I'm the youngest, but even I because I was raised
Speaker 1: by like Uranian immigrants. I have a more conservative view
Speaker 1: like I don't. I'm also terrified of all human beings
Speaker 1: and one boyfriend in hand. He is not allowed to
Speaker 1: speak to any women. Yeah, I think I don't speak
Speaker 1: to I think that's why we all get along. We
Speaker 1: all have a social anxiety, but we're safe under all
Speaker 1: these lamps. Back when I could have dated like that,
Speaker 1: nobody wanted to date me. So I had waited that Anthony,
Speaker 1: And I'm fine, I said, such a fear of I've
Speaker 1: always had such a fear of socially transmitted diseases. I
Speaker 1: was the kissing bandit. I have made out with a
Speaker 1: lot of people, but I did not ever get mono.
Speaker 1: That's fine. I did not want to set off. Do
Speaker 1: you really remember that in school kids get to take
Speaker 1: a month off. I was so terrified that I was
Speaker 1: going to get some disease and I just couldn't sleep around.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, I tried. I made you go with
Speaker 1: me to get an AIDS test. I was always convinced.
Speaker 1: I was like always, and it's like I think I'd
Speaker 1: had sex like once, you know, with with protection. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and we're like we went to we
Speaker 1: went to Washington Square Park. Are you gonna getting a
Speaker 1: flute flu shot this year? Speaking of needles? No, you
Speaker 1: got you had the flu this year. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: know what you're in for. And I always get the
Speaker 1: flu shot because I used to work at a daycare
Speaker 1: and we had to and so ever since then, I
Speaker 1: just I got it because it was and now I
Speaker 1: have nephew, so I have to get it learned machines
Speaker 1: more so, it's better for like younger people and older people.
Speaker 1: You're all right, maybe I'll get stop you from maybe
Speaker 1: I'll get it. Had the flu I was horrible. Do
Speaker 1: we have tweets of the week? You could do that?
Speaker 1: We do this. Okay, I'm gonna read a few emails
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna do this and we'll be done.
Speaker 1: You guys. First of all, thank you so much to everybody.
Speaker 1: Or do you have anything one from both? Um? Not? No,
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Speaker 1: it's really I do. It's my favorite thing is to
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Speaker 1: read US five. First one is Alexis Madison at ABC.
Speaker 1: Madison Analyst seems like she would not only be fine
Speaker 1: with sixty forty, she would negotiate for each one responded
Speaker 1: like somebody responded. Bryan Paulson had replied to her, only
Speaker 1: to set off her ninety five five. It's true she is.
Speaker 1: Actually it's hard about as he analyze. If you're listening,
Speaker 1: here's what you need to know about yourself. When you're
Speaker 1: actually on the dates. You're really fun. Like I think
Speaker 1: you're underselling yourself. And I actually think you're braver than
Speaker 1: you think you are because I couldn't have done that
Speaker 1: candopy adventure in the car. So like, don't sell your yourself.
Speaker 1: Sure you're at you're a cat. Also, don't need to
Speaker 1: get married at the end of this. You find the
Speaker 1: dude that you just want to hang out with. That's
Speaker 1: all you need. And you don't have to be a
Speaker 1: strong couple right away someone you want to see your marriage.
Speaker 1: There's no free pass out of yourself. You still wake
Speaker 1: up with your own brain. You still wake up and
Speaker 1: go funk Is Tuesday. Just because you're married doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you don't go fun is Tuesday. Yeah, every Tuesday. You
Speaker 1: hate Tuesday's We Marines take Tuesday? Who moved my Tuesday? Cheese?
Speaker 1: Ryan Paulson at our puls and photo Ben wa. The
Speaker 1: more I talked to Chelsea, the more I remember that
Speaker 1: she has a rose that no one's interested in and
Speaker 1: is thirsty. Is fun to get on camera Ie how
Speaker 1: to work the system? Alexis Madison, Oh on fire at
Speaker 1: ABC Madison. At this point, I'm convinced all the ladies
Speaker 1: have the same square black to soup bottles. Anyone know
Speaker 1: where you can buy air? It's a style out there,
Speaker 1: Alexis Fire. Suzanne b at Mrs Tumnus. I secretly imagine
Speaker 1: that the giant black squares they put on Jedda and
Speaker 1: Crystal are I think giants. These are good. Oh there's
Speaker 1: your there's your theory out they might be true. Okay,
Speaker 1: I hope that. Rebecca Fini, maybe I'll go back on Twitter.
Speaker 1: I've been I've been fined. I haven't been on Twitter
Speaker 1: in two months. Rebecca Fini at Fiene. I think Leo
Speaker 1: bumped his head at work and now thinks he's eternally
Speaker 1: in a pirate porno. We're kissing his handshake snitches, get
Speaker 1: stitches and muld just be crazy. It's so true. Oh
Speaker 1: that's a really good one. Oh my girls. Cheyenne Constant
Speaker 1: at Trixie Firecracker. Leo not getting his way at Paradise things.
Speaker 1: Burning it to the ground would be the solution. Starting
Speaker 1: to wonder about that. June two, thousand eight fires, She yeah, photo,
Speaker 1: I love that connection. She posted a phone the fires
Speaker 1: up there. Oh my god, I want to shout out
Speaker 1: a lot of people have been calling him. Then Hojo
Speaker 1: and I love that. Oh my god, oh my god. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm really it's hard boy. I love that first one, clearly,
Speaker 1: the first one. Then do we wear? Do you want giants?
Speaker 1: Se do we like snitches? Get stitches? Or like? Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, okay, so it's between here we go is
Speaker 1: down to the final two. Al Hyenne constant at Trixie Firecracker,
Speaker 1: Leo not getting his way at Paradise thinks Britty to
Speaker 1: the gram would be the solution. Starting to wonder about that.
Speaker 1: June two thousand, a fire in Universal Studios so good?
Speaker 1: Or or or a combo rose for Alexis Madison at ABC.
Speaker 1: Madisine anally seems like she would not only be fine
Speaker 1: with sixty forty, she would negotiate for eight twenty with
Speaker 1: a tag by Ryan Paulson at our Paulson Photo. Only
Speaker 1: just for five eight twenty or fire? Which one? Now
Speaker 1: eighty twenty? Or fire? I think the fire one? Okay,
Speaker 1: I like eight twenty so much. I'm gonna go eight twenty.
Speaker 1: I think I like fire yeah, because I'm like the
Speaker 1: most so much. It's a three way split because I
Speaker 1: love it with the tag. So here we go. That's
Speaker 1: Alexis Madison, Ryan Paulson, and Cheyenne Constant. How those were strong,
Speaker 1: but there was a lot of strong runner up. I'm
Speaker 1: going to say that it was the strongest groupings where
Speaker 1: that was said that this week he only sent me
Speaker 1: one tweet, but it wasn't something else. I think he
Speaker 1: hasn't watched the Unfortunately, he's the best. Um, he's are
Speaker 1: head of the n S a elerk. Who's gonna get
Speaker 1: who's gonna get? Um? Who's gonna get engaged? To pick
Speaker 1: two couples? I don't think I can have to? Good lord, Um,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm saying Canadian bacon, Canadian bacon, Canadian say
Speaker 1: Canadian bacon. And who else is there? Uh? Oh, Joe,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I think it's just Canadian bacon. I
Speaker 1: see them. To him, they're the only they're the strongest one.
Speaker 1: Who else is that strong? Holt? We know that's not happening,
Speaker 1: and then we have we know like they showed the
Speaker 1: next week and then Kendall, she's too she's too hurtful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just don't see them getting engaged. I hope they
Speaker 1: actually last. Yeah, they're very cute. I hope she just
Speaker 1: surrenders and lots of I love that He's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I just hope guy, stop kissing my girlfriend. Are your girlfriend?
Speaker 1: Stop kissing the guns? He's so cute to me. I
Speaker 1: find him so cute, and I really like Kendall, but
Speaker 1: it's like, so I really really think and I don't
Speaker 1: want her to sabotage it. All right, Well, you guys,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite time of the year. I love
Speaker 1: Paradise Alert. Thanks for being on, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, thanks for watching. Was it fun? Have fun?
Speaker 1: I did have I did have fun. I did have
Speaker 1: fun as I was sitting in my hotel room with
Speaker 1: with like a laptop open watching one episode, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then a TV on watching another episode you had trying
Speaker 1: trying to sort out who is sounds like you're living
Speaker 1: my life. What do you think j J will think
Speaker 1: of this episode? She she she said, you know she
Speaker 1: watched it, j J. Yeah, j J j j J
Speaker 1: watched the episode and said that you know you need
Speaker 1: do you call her if she's got she referred to
Speaker 1: the one who's dating uh uh Jordan's. She was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like Janna. She the won who like sticks her
Speaker 1: tongue out. She does. She lost like this a lot,
Speaker 1: but you haven't seen that a lot of that. Okay, fine,