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Speaker 1: What up, y'all. This is your main man, Memphis Bleak

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Speaker 1: right here. Welcome to Rock Solid, a production of iHeart

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Speaker 1: Radio and the Black Effect Network and partnership with my

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Speaker 1: guys over at Drink Champs.

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Speaker 2: You should know about know you should know about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all, you already know what it is. Yours truly

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Speaker 1: M Greasy back with another exclusive Rock Solid podcast. We

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Speaker 1: back in the building, y'all. I got my brother to

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Speaker 1: the left for me. You already know Cassidy, the motherfucking monster,

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Speaker 1: the hustler, everything spitter come to that battle rappers. Shit shit.

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Speaker 1: One of my niggas on my team even got hit

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Speaker 1: by the by the hustler, So gotta respect this.

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Speaker 3: Hustle, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Shit real. Want to welcome my God to the building,

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Speaker 1: Philly's own one of the best spinners out of Philly, Cassidy,

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Speaker 1: my motherfucking God.

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Speaker 3: Welcome bro.

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Speaker 1: Happy New year, man, y'all. Man, how you being my Jake.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here, man. You know it's the

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Speaker 2: hottest podcast on the streets right now, so appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: You heard it from his mouth to Guard's ends, y'all

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Speaker 1: heard it ain't me. I'll be saying ship. But I don't, y'all.

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Speaker 1: I mean he said it, not me, Yo, my g

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Speaker 1: I've been seeing you on the neck going crazy the

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Speaker 1: battle rapping ship. How that been man? Like last ship

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Speaker 1: ended in the motherfucking bra Yo, that shit be dying

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Speaker 1: like yo, cast still out here ready to box these niggas.

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Speaker 2: That's my favorite part about this ship, man battle rap

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Speaker 2: being competitive, disrespect the Niggas's funny Man.

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Speaker 1: No, y'all niggas be saying yo in that battle rap league,

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Speaker 1: niggas be saying the most faullist ship you could think about.

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Speaker 2: Ge like Noah. But I'm gonna tell you why I'm

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Speaker 2: really backing that battle rap area. It's not like I

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Speaker 2: have to be Like I'm already solidified as an artist

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Speaker 2: on the other side, so I don't really have to

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Speaker 2: do that. But I've been rapping for so long at

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Speaker 2: a high level, Like even when I was a young boy,

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Speaker 2: as a teenager, they was putting me on a high

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Speaker 2: high level, you know what I mean. I was battling

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Speaker 2: at a rapid rate and just putting in so much

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Speaker 2: work for so many years. And when you get in

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Speaker 2: the business and you realize how the industry work, how

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Speaker 2: niggas in the industry work, how the game go, Like

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Speaker 2: to keep the passion that you had when you was

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Speaker 2: unfamiliar with all of that. Like when you just love

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Speaker 2: hip hop and you as a fan of other artists

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Speaker 2: and you watching the videos, your aspect of what the

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Speaker 2: industry is. Its completely different than when you really inside

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Speaker 2: of it and you seeing what's going on. So for

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Speaker 2: decade after decade, to keep the passion, to keep stepping

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Speaker 2: it up and writing bars and saying the craziest shit,

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Speaker 2: it's just super difficult. So that's why I wanted to

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Speaker 2: get back and badly rap, because that's the area where

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Speaker 2: people will talk a little crazy, will try to discredit you.

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Speaker 2: They won't look at the catalog and with your accomplish

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Speaker 2: they'll just try to get discredit you for today. So

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Speaker 2: that's what I needed to get on my job because

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Speaker 2: I wrapped to be the best. So when a nigga

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Speaker 2: try to discredit me, I want to prove them wrong.

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Speaker 2: I want to show you that I could still get busy.

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Speaker 1: So you see I said before off camera, my nigga,

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Speaker 1: I say, Yo, you got balls, You got balls doing

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Speaker 1: that shit, my nigga. Because to be from the battle

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Speaker 1: rapping side. Then to come into the industry platinum records,

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Speaker 1: gold records, gold albums, all that type of stuff, and

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Speaker 1: then to go back it's like, you know, it's almost

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Speaker 1: like they're gonna look at you with the he good already,

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Speaker 1: he don't need this. So it's like they gonna always

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Speaker 1: to still be like, I don't give a fuck. Y'all

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Speaker 3: Like I respect that and.

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Speaker 1: That like that takes real, real gut and mental strength, bro.

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Speaker 2: Like, and that's why I appreciate them battle rappers for

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Speaker 2: Like just people being competitive and battling and thising each other.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about this new form of battle rap these

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Speaker 2: them because they already used to what they used to,

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Speaker 2: But it just get me back active. So now everybody

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Speaker 2: like yo on beat, nobody could fuck with cast. And

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Speaker 2: that's what I want, Like, that's what I really do.

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Speaker 2: I'm a real artist. I really put in decades on beat,

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Speaker 2: Like while y'all always battling, I was working on beats.

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Speaker 2: So that's what I really specialize in. So that's what

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Speaker 2: From drawing shows from the tree of music that I

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Speaker 2: got that streaming from features from uh movie sampling my

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Speaker 2: like a thousand and one Tianna Teller lass movie. Just

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Speaker 2: use the old record mend Requindre from my second album.

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Speaker 1: Got that Ward two man.

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Speaker 2: She she definitely super deserve it, she do. And she

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Speaker 2: got a new movie that's about the Drop that's going

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Speaker 2: you know, I really get my real money from music.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. So that's what I want

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Speaker 2: people to respect, to know that people can't mess with

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Speaker 2: me on beat. But batter rappers, what is what make

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Speaker 1: And they hear him say that to me, it's like weird,

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Speaker 1: Like he's like, yo, I get busy, ol beat, it's

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Speaker 1: my dog freeway set put that beat on. Niggas you

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Speaker 1: and Hole was talking shit each other and niggas went

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Speaker 3: Niggas.

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Speaker 2: All of my raps go to beats though, like I'm

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Speaker 2: not one of them batter rappers. They be writing off beat,

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Speaker 1: I can't write a beat a rap to no beat.

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Speaker 1: I have to have a beat the rap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like so all of my raps at that time

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Speaker 2: that's what led to all of these new battle leagues

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Speaker 2: starting with no beat. That's the energy they felt with

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But that's how we used to get

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Speaker 2: the freeway shit I got started. I'm in the studio

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Speaker 2: They did it already, Hole rapped on it, so it's

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Speaker 2: So I'm just with Swiss. We pull up to this

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to McDonald's. So why the driver taking

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Speaker 2: It felt like they're talking to me like they like

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Speaker 2: cuz man, they like, can't none of these niggas fuck

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Speaker 2: with us, man, None of these niggas, Yo. When this

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Speaker 2: jay Z said he on the radio. I got whatever

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Speaker 2: much he said he want to bet? They like how much?

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Speaker 2: He like a thousand dollars? I said, what, yo? These

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, I'm right here. I read so why

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, attention, that's why you felt that, Like some

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Speaker 1: Philly niggas they talking to me crazy.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Yo, they kind of talking to me though,

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Speaker 1: But I just they definitely wasn't talking to you.

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Speaker 2: Why when I when I come back from McDonald's or whatever,

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Speaker 2: I go upstairs, I'm like, yo, Swiss man, I just

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Speaker 2: was on the radio listening to these niggas. Bro, these

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Speaker 2: niggas is talking crazy. Bro. They disrespecting the world, talking

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Speaker 2: crazy to everybody. He like smoke, He like, who, I'm like, man, Steak, Property,

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Speaker 2: jay Z, everybody all on there talking crazy. He like, oh,

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Speaker 2: all right, don't worry about that whole on his way

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Speaker 2: to the studio anyway, Like he working on his record

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm excited because I'm a fan. So

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm finally about to meet the nigga. Nigga,

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Speaker 2: I've been listening to all these projects and albums. I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm like, Yo, that's what's up. So I'm just sitting

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Speaker 2: bars and shit chilling. Next thing, you know, jay Z

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Speaker 2: walking the door. I'm like, oh shit, it's my first

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Speaker 2: the mean and I'm just like, damn actually seeing this

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Speaker 2: nigga that was rapping all this shit right. But it

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Speaker 2: immediately go from me being a fan and respecting the

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Speaker 2: nigga to at this time, I ain't e an industry

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Speaker 2: kind of a little shout out at this time. So

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Speaker 2: he like talking to Swiss. But when he introduced me, yo,

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Speaker 2: this is Swiss. Introduced me, Yo, this is Cassidy, the

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Speaker 2: hottest nigga on the street. He next up him. He

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Speaker 2: like what him? He like, you ain't just hit my

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Speaker 2: niggas on the radio. I got the next niggas? Who

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Speaker 2: is he this nigger? So I'm like that's when it

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Speaker 2: switched from fan.

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Speaker 3: To like it's smoke.

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Speaker 2: and I'm just I'm like, all right, he like this

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Speaker 2: He like, nigga, how old is you? You look young?

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Speaker 2: not saying that. He like old enough for free.

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Speaker 2: He don't know those. I'm like, Yo, my nigga, you

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Speaker 2: like this, He looking at me like this, He's like

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Speaker 2: And then he looked at me like this like I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm pissed I didn't go.

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Speaker 1: You know, we was in baseline when Beans got that call,

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Speaker 2: like boone Dough got a moon dough And when he

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Speaker 2: So they busted it up. They talk about bet and

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Speaker 2: He like it's ma bitch looking around like that and

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Speaker 2: I seen Beans because I used to win this battle

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Speaker 2: I look. So the first time Beans met me, we

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Speaker 2: in the studio. I'm rapping. He like, what's your name?

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Speaker 2: I'm like beat. He like bet from the Cipher.

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Speaker 1: I'm like yeah.

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Speaker 2: He's like, oh shit, yo. So he was about to

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Speaker 2: tomb be sitting the doom my platoon cool rooms in

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Speaker 2: and then he see me and he like, oh shit,

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Speaker 2: be from the cipher. And he shaked my hand. But

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Speaker 2: he knowed like, oh they calling us the battle be

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Speaker 2: Oh shit, be from the cipher. Your name be right?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Oh you know me because like I've been in the

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Speaker 2: So I stand up in hol like, now, who you

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Speaker 2: say you wanted to battle? I said, yo, I ain't

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Speaker 2: they start saying free, free, go ahead, free.

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Speaker 1: Oh they threw free up.

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Speaker 2: Free, go ahead, free And I'm like free outa out

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Speaker 2: of all of the people that you know, I ain't,

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Speaker 2: I ain't. I just ain't think they was gonna pick free,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because he got that, you know,

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Speaker 2: he got the to the beat style, the in and

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Speaker 2: out around pattern. But to battle, I ain't think they

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Speaker 2: was gonna pick free, but that's what they start saying.

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Speaker 2: Free Christmas there, young Christmas.

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Speaker 1: There, oh, being all of them, the whole state probe.

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Speaker 2: Like free, free, go ahead, free, free, go ahead, and

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Speaker 2: free like stepped up like I even was with it.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, and I just start rapping, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. But the actual battle, like nowadays, the

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Speaker 2: a little late, but it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: That's what's up man, now Free. I remember them niggas

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Speaker 1: coming back to the stool. Niggas was pissed. Niggas was

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Speaker 1: mad at you. I ain't even know you, and I'm

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Speaker 1: like this nigga cast, we got beef for the nigga

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Speaker 1: I don't even know now, like we thought it was up.

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Speaker 2: But nah, I.

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Speaker 1: Remember that I met him. It's how I first met you.

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Speaker 1: We had a show. I believe it was in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: It's when I heard the song you had with Caws

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Speaker 1: shirt off, perform and killing murderous shit. And then he

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Speaker 1: come back. He like, oh, what's up boy, Yo? This

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Speaker 1: bleak yo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Like Yo, man, this cast. I'm like, oh, this is

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Speaker 1: the nigga battle Free. He like, yeah, man, that shape

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Speaker 1: we feel that's my dog. Man ain't about nothing, and

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Speaker 1: we chill. We went to an after party and all

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Speaker 1: that day me and Casts always been called Free always

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Speaker 1: just felt like, damn. I felt like I could have

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Speaker 2: From that, I love Free, I fucking free man. You

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Speaker 2: just something my studio not too long ago, and every

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Speaker 2: this day, they still bring up that Yeah man, away

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Speaker 2: from that shit.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 2: To this day, I still hear about that shit, man, Yo.

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Speaker 1: That shit never gonna die. My next question to you

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Speaker 1: is at what age or what point did you know

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Speaker 3: When you felt like nigga. I'm that nigga.

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Speaker 1: Nobody every rapper, it's like every fighter. You feel like

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Speaker 2: But I realized that it's a bunch of other people

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Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I'm gonna be a rapper, right and

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Speaker 2: everybody start laughing ah da, But the teacher knew that

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Speaker 2: I was joking. So they're like, all right, you want

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Speaker 2: prevention this program that we're in, and come rap it

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Speaker 2: So they like, oh, I'm like oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't even rap yet, Like I don't I don't wrap. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just said I was going. So she put me

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Speaker 2: got right. My first rap I'm talking to like my

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Speaker 2: my nigga, it ain't matter what I had on, it

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00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 2: ain't matter. Like all I had to do was think

427
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: of something, write it down and say it, and you

428
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 2: could have everybody doing this. I'm like, yo, I'm going

429
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 2: rap forever. I'm going to be the best. And that

430
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 2: at that feeling of spitting that rap and feeling that feeling.

431
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 2: Ever since then, I always wanted to rap and be

432
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: the best. So I was studying from that point on,

433
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 2: like to be better and better and better and better

434
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 2: and better. I mean, so I always felt my pen

435
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: was like, you know what I mean. But I guess

436
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: when I really really knew was when I entered that

437
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 2: competition that I told you about on the radio was

438
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: one O three point nine, the radio one station in Philly,

439
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 2: So it was Zulu Zulu and the Family. That was

440
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: the name of the show, Zulu and the Family League.

441
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: Keep your Ready, use locked Baby Baby.

442
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: For real.

443
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: Ass son called the Cipher. So when you called up,

444
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 2: you win the Sipher. Yo, you win the site for

445
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: the night. You gotta be a dope m seed to

446
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: rock the mic. So what's your name? And you'll be like,

447
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: I'm bleak, and they'll be like in what you do

448
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 2: and you'd be like all round and they'd be like, well,

449
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: put lips on your brain and then speak your mind

450
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 2: and then you just go in your bag and you

451
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: start going crazy. So five six, like it'd be different numbers.

452
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: But you know, when you the champion, you the champion.

453
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: So everybody else called up to the spher the bat

454
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 2: you out there. Yeah, So I became the champion after

455
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: the first night. But the reason how I found out

456
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 2: about it because my manager at the time was Rest

457
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: in Peace William Hart, the lead singer of the Delphonics

458
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: legendary groups and Philadelphia. Yeah, Bro William Heart wrote.

459
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: Trust me a lot of people watching this ship was

460
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: born on some delphonic shit exactly pops let it ripla

461
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: la la la la la la so fast.

462
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: I mean, so he put me on how he liked

463
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: gave us publishing away. Earlier he even was writing for

464
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 2: like Mike and the Jackson five and other big groups,

465
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: and you know, I mean, he got ribbed for his publishing.

466
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 2: But as he got older, you know, after twenty five

467
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: the thirty years, you know what I'm saying, it'll go

468
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 2: back to the original person that wrote it, even if

469
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: you did give your publishing away. So he sold like

470
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: all his publishing away. But after that twenty five years

471
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: or whatever, he got it back. Yeah, he got it back.

472
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: And that's when other artists started to use his music,

473
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: like big artists like new Kids on the Block. The

474
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: Fuji's there ready or not here I come, you can't hide,

475
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: And I bet you a lot of people think that's

476
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 2: just a Fuji's original song, but that's the words everything. Yeah,

477
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: that's his song. So that's how he was able to

478
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: make money later on in his life. I mean, but

479
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: he always was telling me about how you could be

480
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: creative and be the writer and responsible for the talent,

481
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 2: but get taken advantage of so before I signed any dials.

482
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: I was always skeptical and all of that stuff. But

483
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: he had a son named DJ Romance. He worked at

484
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: that same radio station, but he did like slow jams.

485
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: Aren't like at that night, DJ Romance, he better be

486
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: playing them slow jams. It's fucked up. He can't even

487
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,479
Speaker 1: DJ today. It's no more slow jabs.

488
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he was telling me about that show. He like, Yo,

489
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: you know I do the slow jams, but it's another

490
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: nigga on the show Zulu. He got decipher shit. You

491
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: know you need to enter that. So that's what he

492
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: told me to do with from then, from me winning

493
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: just I won so much that they retired me theyself

494
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: and made me a radio personality to analyze other people bad.

495
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: So that's how I got so little. That's why man

496
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 2: met me. He liked the ball be from the Ciphers,

497
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: Like the whole city was shut down when that was

498
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: on Dope.

499
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: How did that into you linking up with Swiss?

500
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: Because before I used to link up with other people,

501
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: like I used to get backstage passes and VIP passes

502
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: to all the concerts and they would throw big concerts.

503
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 2: So they used to compare me to Cannabis when I

504
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: was on that because I was battling and he was

505
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: the only one, like really in baddle mode like that

506
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: at that time. I'm like, yo, when I see Cannabis,

507
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: I'm a battle Cannabis that like, because they compare me

508
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: to him. I want to battle Cannabis when I see him,

509
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: or at least spit from the smoke with everybody, or

510
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: at least spit for him and let him hear me.

511
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: So they saying Cannabis outside. So I'm in the back

512
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: back stage, I'm knocking on tour bus windows looking for him, like, Yo,

513
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 2: where Cannabis at? And I'm by myself.

514
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: Ringing the smoke. Fucked hustler.

515
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Cannabis stepped off the bus and he was

516
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: used to being the smallest, youngest nigga talking crazy like that,

517
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: and he see me and I'm way younger than him.

518
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: I'm a small little nigga and I'm by myself talking

519
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: crazy like wait, yeah, want the bad le Niggas ain't

520
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: never seen nothing like that. But it's bust rhymes there,

521
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: why cleft there. It's like a lot of big celebrities

522
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: I was able to meet from getting them backstage passes.

523
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: Actually Why Cleff was there when I was rhyming for

524
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: Cannabis eight off the Assassin. I don't know if you

525
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: know what. He came out, We start rhyming, two, we

526
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: going back and forth. It was a dope moment. Cannabis

527
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 2: still remember it too to this day, Like me and

528
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: Cannabis cool. We'll be talking about it still to this day. Well,

529
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: why Cleff seen me and he was like, Yo, You're

530
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 2: going to be a star. He like what's your name?

531
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: Like that shit was crazy. You're going to be a star, bro,

532
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: I'm telling you just in the first big celebrity when

533
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 2: I got signed that called me to the studio to

534
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: do a feature was why Cleft. He put me on

535
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 2: a song called Celebrate Ruck to look it up, meet

536
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: him and Patty LeBell, one of the legends from Philly

537
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: my sibings do me on sign with Patty LeBell. So

538
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: it's like wow. So while we in the studio and

539
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm working on that song and were working together, he

540
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: didn't realize that I was that same kid from backstage

541
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: that he told me I was going to be a star.

542
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: He just liked me from after I got signed with

543
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: Swiss again. So he he brought me to the studio

544
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: for that reason. But I told him, like, Yo, you

545
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: don't remember when you see me backstage, I was rhyming

546
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: with cannabis and Buster was there and this and that.

547
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: You told me he was going to be a star,

548
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: and he like, like I do remember, I don't. I

549
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: don't like. But see I ain't live.

550
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: With Ain't that nigga look like he knew some ship

551
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: he can fort you teller? Now, why man, why cleft

552
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 1: for fucking genius in this business? Man?

553
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 3: He'll get enough credit for his production.

554
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: Man, you know what I'm saying, Like as an artist,

555
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people respect his artistry

556
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: as his craft.

557
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: But why Cleft produced ship man? Like why.

558
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: Sing do all the rope for people?

559
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: Do all type of ship man? He's super talented. Like

560
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: my next thing like punchline rap? Right, it was always

561
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: like a big, a big thing, but not everybody mastered

562
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: the art of punchline.

563
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be like this because I don't see

564
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 2: this should keep dropping down?

565
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah that sh that might drink it, Douce that might

566
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: or do say like fucking the punchline rap wave. You

567
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I feel like a lot of

568
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: artists back in the day used to do it like

569
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: I feel like Grand Pooba to me was one of

570
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: the first artists I heard using like the punchlines him and.

571
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: Big Daddy came.

572
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: But Grandpa grand Pooba is the one who like made

573
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: it like really really different. And then here comes you

574
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: your era of rap where punchlines like, yeah, it became.

575
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: Like where it became the whole first Grand Poop, And

576
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: I think who really took it to the next level

577
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 2: was Lord Fess though.

578
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: Lord Foress and Grand Pooper. Like to me, them niggas

579
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: is the same thing, No disrespect them niggas is the

580
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: same man. Them niggas was killing shit together back of

581
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: the day. It's so ill that you didn't even know

582
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: who was who until you bought the CD or the

583
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: record and rad who was spitting like with them Lord

584
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: for Neess, Yes, you gotta give him his props him

585
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: and Grandpool to me, yes, my bad for leaving you out.

586
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: Lord for this you see me kime on O give

587
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: me the O g talk.

588
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: My bad.

589
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: But yes, but then like I said, your ever came

590
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: and it became like the illest shit and like to

591
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: this day, Cass like your punchlines deadly.

592
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: I told you, I was in the fourth grade, and

593
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: I wanted to be the best. So I started studying

594
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: all of them niggas, even from grand Master Cash, like

595
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: the first writer, Like, I started studying all of them

596
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: niggas man, and just like analyzing, what make me think

597
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: this rock Kiem song.

598
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: Is so dope?

599
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: Like what is he doing in this pocket that sounds

600
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: so much better right here than when another nigga rapped,

601
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: Like they gotta be a reason. It can't just be

602
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: just wow when he jump in this pocket right here,

603
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: it sounds so much better than anybody else rapping, Like

604
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: I gotta understand why, Like, and I started really breaking

605
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: down the science and trying to understand, like the actual

606
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: reason why I like hip hop, And wow, it was

607
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: so dope when I started studying from the beginning everybody

608
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: that was doing stuff, and I realized, like one of

609
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: the best pockets that I love is when the nigga

610
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: did punch. But people used to punch sporadically, like every

611
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: once in a while. Even if they did it, it

612
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: might be once in a verse or something. It wouldn't

613
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 2: be like that was what they was really trying to do.

614
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: But when they did do it, it was it was

615
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: so much to me. It's like I'd be like, damn

616
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: killed that, Like I just would love when niggas punch,

617
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: and I'm like yo, and then you when we get

618
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: to the time when like cannabis, he like punching consistently,

619
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: but he doing it in a way where you gotta

620
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: be like you had to go to school, you have

621
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: to be really smart, like a little education.

622
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, hell and fucking not for nothing. My man named

623
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: down with ep of D and m keif Mari Chief

624
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: Mari too.

625
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: The most beautiful capitalist punching phoney mcs.

626
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: He came with the vocabulary. He made niggas definitely be like, oh,

627
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: I gotta pay attention to school.

628
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: Listen to this nigga.

629
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: But this this is how I developed this style. Like

630
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: they came out with this tape back in the day,

631
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: and one side of this one he actually had tapes,

632
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: and one side was all d MX, all d MX

633
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: free styles and new Ship and all that. Then the

634
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: other side was all cannabis, like cannabis and d MX

635
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: t Most of the niggas in the hood was listening

636
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: to the X side and everybody was fucking with the

637
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: X shit and it was like, but I'm like, Yo,

638
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: this nigga Cannabis is going crazy on the other side

639
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: of the team, and y'all don't hear what this nigga doing.

640
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: I got more lines than a million pair of Adidas,

641
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: got more lines than the African Hurt his zebras, got

642
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: more lines than the Bible coded from Jesus, got more

643
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,959
Speaker 2: like he just back the back, just talking crazy the niggas.

644
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: Man that niggas said, Yo.

645
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: You got to I think what hurt Cannabis l man?

646
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm but I'm listening to both sides. So

647
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, why would the street niggas like X side?

648
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: Because most street niggas ain't smart, like they're not. They

649
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: don't want to hear that complicated vocabulary ship. They just

650
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: want to have some street shit they can relate to.

651
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: Why they was liking the X side.

652
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: You hear it in the music today.

653
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: But why do I like the.

654
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: Cannabisides so much? Because he punching and he like he

655
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: backed the back saying creative shit. So I'm like, yo,

656
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: what if you mixed that together with the street ship?

657
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: Like you say, the craziest street shit that I love?

658
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: Like from Ron Scarfy's I started small time, don't game

659
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 2: cocaine pushing rocks on the block. I'm never broke. Man.

660
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: When I hear that, I'm like, yo, what the fuck?

661
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Yo, you could mix that streak crazy

662
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: talk with what like cannabis or like one of them

663
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: like and then mix it with also with what the

664
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: backpackers is doing, like because cannabis wasn't all the way backpackering, no,

665
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: but it's like mix all that shit together in one

666
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: and you and the best part of what I like

667
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: is the punch. So instead of doing it once a

668
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: versa every once in a while, imagine if you just

669
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: did it back the back, like why they catching one

670
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: of them you already doing another one And that's like

671
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: so difficult to accomplish at that time. But if you

672
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: could do that, imagine what it it it do to

673
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: a hip hop nigga air Like that's what. So that's

674
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: how I developed that style.

675
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: That's how we got Cassidy man, you know what I'm saying.

676
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't think you get enough credit

677
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: or do you think you get enough credit for the

678
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: punchline status in the game, because bro, I feel like

679
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: between you and Fred to God's Son, Rest in peace,

680
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: Fred Degard's Son. I feel like when I first heard

681
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: you spit, I was like, damn this nigga on some shit.

682
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: I felt the same way when I first heard Fred

683
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: the God's Son Smith, you know what I'm saying. Like

684
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: the punchlines was just next fucking level, was like, how

685
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: is this nigga even thinking of putting yes like that?

686
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: Like you know, one verse, you'd be like a nigga,

687
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: did they killed that verse? Then you hit twelve more

688
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: versus the same way. It's like, wait a minute, these

689
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: niggas on some different shit. So I feel like, do

690
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: you think y'all in your generation you got the credit

691
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 1: enough for even because I believe you influenced the Fred

692
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: the God Son.

693
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

694
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: If there's no Castiley, there's no Fred to God's Son

695
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: for sure. You know what I'm saying, Rest in peace,

696
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: Fred Degard.

697
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: We did work go on music.

698
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: We heard out Frad was the homie man. That was

699
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: my dog man. God bless him and his family, God

700
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: bless his kids, his wife like all that.

701
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: Man.

702
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: Like when it come to that punchline, ship, like I said,

703
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: they don't mention your name enough to me. In my opinion,

704
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: when it comes down to this hip hop ship you.

705
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: Got is a mixture just so much. Man, I'm listening

706
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: to you. Man. You see when I came in.

707
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: Here, you was on that headed down joint.

708
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: You always lit before I was on. You know what

709
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So y'all was already doing. Y'all already had

710
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: the odd on smash. So this is what I'm listening.

711
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: I listen to you like you.

712
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 2: Already a fan a whole. Sorry to cut you off,

713
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: but I'm already a fan of the nigga. And he

714
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: got a young nigga, a little nigga that's like his

715
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: young boy that's now talking crazy niggas, and that's like

716
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: inspiring for niggas like me.

717
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: Bro, I appreciate that nigga. But they hear you say

718
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: like yo, I want wanted to be the best. I

719
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: look back and I think about me starting. I never

720
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: wanted to be the best. My nigga, Like for me rapping.

721
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: I remember me starting to rap. Was when I heard

722
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: ABC Aisha. Do you know what I'm saying? It was

723
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: like the girl had like, wait a minute, that ain't

724
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: the Aisha. I know. I know a different version of

725
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: this girl, so I gotta write my version. But it

726
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: was a girl in my hood who was the nicest.

727
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: Her name was Kia, So I'm like, if I want

728
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: to be nice, i gotta go fuck with her. So

729
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: my first rhyme was assisted by a girl taught me

730
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: how to rhymes, a girl named Kia from She's Still

731
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: in My Best Kid Word Up. And she the one

732
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: taught me. Now, this is how you do it. It's

733
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: how you put a bar together. Do this. I So,

734
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, cool, you know I was good.

735
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: I thought I was nice until I went to school

736
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: Junior High. I is forty nine and Williamsburg and this

737
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: nigga from my projects always been my man. Oh but

738
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: I ain't know he rapped. Go to the lunch room

739
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: and he rhyming, nigga named Jude Duke. It's my dog,

740
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: shout out ju Duke. And he was getting busy all

741
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,720
Speaker 1: the girls at the table. He beating on the table rhyming.

742
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's what I want. So all I rapped

743
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: for was to have the girls in school. I didn't

744
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 1: think we would take this shit world while get money,

745
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: do anything. So I never cared about being the best.

746
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: I just wanted to impress the chicks to school, you

747
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean, get the little joints in the

748
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: hood or whatever. And then when I sing Jay and

749
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: Clark kn't rest in peace and I told him, Yo,

750
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: I do my thing, and he like, YO, do this

751
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: verse right here, and I put you on. I'm like,

752
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: a right, I do this shit in my sleep, Nigga,

753
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: this is nothing. Let's go. And then it went from

754
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: there to that and then like the here you come

755
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: in and singing the verse handed down. That's why I

756
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: told you. I'm like, yo, that verse was real, like

757
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: copping to George too two weeks before they came out

758
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: shout out tone from Tom D's that's my bro to

759
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: this day, and it's like, bro, that ship was all real.

760
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: And I remember, I believe that rhyme came about because

761
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: just being with Primo, knowing who Primo is from Gangstar,

762
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: know me, all the mop Ship, all the legendary artists

763
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: that came through them them halls in D and D Studio.

764
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: We recorded that in d NBC.

765
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: You with that that the me though, that was like

766
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: you was like the the special ad of the new generation,

767
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: special ad talking that I got it me young nigga.

768
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: He means that should change life. I wanted a solid

769
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: gold door. I wanted a dog with a solid gold

770
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: bo but.

771
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: You flashy fly little niggas bitch from it.

772
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: Like why little nigga, bitch please twist the trees.

773
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: She from the third like why look bitch please.

774
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: Like all that is like lady used to call the

775
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: cops on us, my nigga being in the whole way

776
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: my age, no going in the building.

777
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: Life's like cancer and I'm serious.

778
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: And that verse. My nigga felt like that was the

779
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: first time because you know, like I tell niggas coming

780
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: to age. Yeah, Jay ripped out a piece of paper

781
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: out the book and told me as fast as you

782
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: remember this versus fast as you get on living how

783
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: I was living. It didn't matter who wrote the rhyme

784
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: to me back then. Handed Down was the first time

785
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: I was able to walk in the studio.

786
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 2: Nigg Let me tell you a real story that nobody knows.

787
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: Everybody already know these like stories about rough riders in

788
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: Swiss and the freeway battle. But this is a story

789
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: niggas don't know. Before all that I was like lit

790
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: in the city and I seen shahin the rugged tang.

791
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: Shout out Shahin. That's my dog projects man stat nalen.

792
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just we were just on Instagram talking man

793
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: for a shout out to Shahin. But it's crazy though

794
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: he stopped the Philly I think we're in the sneaker

795
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: store grabbing some sneakers or something. I see Shaheen, but

796
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: he already lit, like I already I was movies and

797
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: all that back. I wasn't I wasn't signed, I wasn't

798
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: nobody yet, like I ain't I ain't. I wasn't nothing yet.

799
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: He was already lit. So but I'm so active at

800
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: the time. When I see shahem I'm like, we're about

801
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: to get it popping. So I go outside and I

802
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: just start to cipher you around. Look, nigga, you bitch

803
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: chess and I smacked this. I just go crazy out there.

804
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: So sha Hein come out and he listening and he

805
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: see a nigga he used to like, just like cannabis.

806
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: He used to be in the youngest kid, smallest nigga.

807
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: But he see a nigga younger than him carrying it

808
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: talking crazy. I'm going like, what the fuck? He like, yo,

809
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: who the fuck is I'm like I broke it. I mean,

810
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: he like, nah, you gotta meet the Woot, come out

811
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: to New York. So I've never been in New York

812
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: in my life, bro, and you went to Staten Allen

813
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: with Sha Listen though, Yo, he showed me listen though.

814
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: This is the crazy story.

815
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: Though.

816
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 2: He tells me to like, Yo, you gotta meet everybody

817
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: from the Woo. They gonna love you.

818
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: Bro.

819
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: You gotta come out here and fuck with me. I'm like, Yo,

820
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 2: I've never been to New York, but this is an opportunity. Shah,

821
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm the Woo. I want to meet these niggas. Bro.

822
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: So he's like, nah, we out.

823
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: Here, come out here.

824
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: I'm in Da da. He like, Yo, I know you

825
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: ain't not been in the city. All you gotta do

826
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: is by Da Dah. Catch the bus here.

827
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 1: You're gonna get off right here.

828
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: You're gonna get off at forty seconde, they started telling me.

829
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, cool, I catch the bus

830
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: out there. I get off at the bus station right.

831
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 2: But this is back in the day before cell phones,

832
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: before days.

833
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: I know what you mean, yes exactly.

834
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: So when I get out there, the number that he

835
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: gave me to call him that I was supposed to

836
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: call him at forty second Street. I'm calling him on constantly,

837
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: me not even picking up. I'm like, what the fuck.

838
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 2: So I'm like, what the fuck I'm gonna do. I'm

839
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 2: out here in New York. I'm supposed to be getting

840
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 2: with this nigga. This nigga not picking up. So then

841
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 2: I'm constantly Then it's told you it's payphones, yea. So

842
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: I'm calling. I'm calling the nigga. Finally pick up. He's like, yo, nah,

843
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 2: nah my bad bro. I was I was called up.

844
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: I had to do this, but damn I couldn't even

845
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 2: get down there. But I'm in. I'm in stat Noland.

846
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: Bro.

847
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 2: Look all you gotta do is just do this and

848
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: take the ferry over.

849
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: That's right.

850
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: Listen. I know now because I've been out in New

851
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: York for so long, but I told you, this is

852
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: my first time even in New York. Like niggas got boats,

853
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: this is my first time in New York here. So

854
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: now you're about to send me somewhere else to catch

855
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: your fucking boat to go some do some shit. I'm like,

856
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: I'm like all right. So he's like, you know, you

857
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: gotta go here and through this and do that and

858
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 2: catch this. So I follow the directions. Bro, I go there.

859
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: I get on this ferry. I see who's going across

860
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: this order. And when I get across the water, now

861
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: they take you in this other little like little building

862
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: type of shit, and you.

863
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: Come out and it's the buses and the dollar cabs

864
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: where I see.

865
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 2: I see the payphone. So I go calling him. I'm

866
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: calling him. I'm like, yo, my nigga, we in stat Island.

867
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: I'm all the way over here. I'm calling him, and

868
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: the nigga not picking up again. He not picking up again.

869
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 3: Probably was a house phone he gave you.

870
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: A nigga calling the number constantly. I'm just over there.

871
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 2: I don't know where the fuck to go. I'm now

872
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: I'm over the ferry and statn Island. I don't know

873
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: what the fuck. I'm like, my nigga, I'm constantly calling

874
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: the nigga, calling the nigga. He not picking up. So

875
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: finally I call a number back and the nigga pick up.

876
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: I'm just happy somebody picked up. I'm like, yo, what's up?

877
00:44:59,400 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 3: That's right?

878
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 2: Like nah, this this nah, this ain't shy, ain't this

879
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: such or such? He just left with meth.

880
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: Yo, shit, yo, the nigga dad.

881
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: He told me that, but he just left with meth.

882
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: He said, damn with you. I don't know I'm gonna

883
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: get in contact with him because he left with meth.

884
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: He don't got no phone. But if he if he

885
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: spent back here, I tell him and yo, how you

886
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: gonna contact me if he do spin back? He's like,

887
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I don't know where he is.

888
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: He left with meth and yo, and I just stayed

889
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: for a while, like longer, and it's like I don't

890
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: even know how to get back. So by time we

891
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: figure out how to get back from Staton Island back

892
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: to the bus station where on the forty second Street.

893
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: I finally figure out how to get back there. I

894
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: go to the forty second Street bus station and now

895
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: there's no more buses back to Philly until like eight

896
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: in the morning. And it's like three in the morning

897
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 2: or two in the morning or simon, it's like one

898
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 2: in the morning.

899
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: I don't know what time it was, but it wasn't

900
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: nowhere there the next stop at like two forty five.

901
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 3: So now we're on.

902
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: Around trying in the city, trying to look for a

903
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: hotel or motel. We can't really find it. It's like, Wow,

904
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: shit going on. Niggas is like, so we go back

905
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: to the bus station. Now we're just laying on the

906
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 2: floor waiting for the busy. Yeah. And I never seen Shahim,

907
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: never seen the Wu, never seen none of them.

908
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: Nah, you never you've seen him again after this though.

909
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: Yo, my nigga, Like this ship was crazy, Yo, there'd

910
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: be an opportunity for me to meet the fucking Woo.

911
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: I go all the way, yo. He the bid of this,

912
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 2: I'm putting it out there. Niggas never there the story

913
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: you could bid off this whatever. I don't know what

914
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: tight time you was on, but he definitely did it

915
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: to me. Man, I understand shit be happening, but I

916
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: was a young nigga. He ain't know I was cash yet.

917
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: But still though he didn't me. That's crazy, crazy crazy

918
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: Part one. Not too long after that, like I got signed,

919
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: I got lit. The Rizon knew that I was late.

920
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 2: He called me to the studio. You know what I'm saying.

921
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: So now I'm fucking with the Woo requiring on my project.

922
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 2: I'm really fucking with the Wu and I'm really lit.

923
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 2: I got like a big as I'm like at this

924
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: big ass event and the security come backstage and they like, yo,

925
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: your cousin here. I'm like, my cousin now, my cousin

926
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: ain't here, nah, Mia, ain't my fucking cousin. Nah. He like, oh,

927
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: all right, So he go back out there, and then

928
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: he come back a few minutes later. Nah. He keeps

929
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: saying your cousin, shahen, your cousin. I'm like, man, I

930
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: don't got no fucking cousin shahm. So he go back

931
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: out there. He's like yeah. Then he come back a

932
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: few minutes later. Nah. He said that from the Wu

933
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: Tang Shahim. I'm like, oh, Shahin from the Wou Tang

934
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: clan like Shahin like yeah, I'm like, oh, tell him

935
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: come back here. And then Shahin come back there. He like, yo, Cash,

936
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: you got it, lit bro, what's up? And there was

937
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: a different type of time because I'm lit now and

938
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: you like whatever you was dealing with. But it's just

939
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: like crazy how that went though. But I mean, even

940
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: the fact that he just i mean respecting my music

941
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: and was even able to call me out there probably

942
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: gave me some type of motivation. To be more active

943
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: and get on my ship. So I still fucking shy.

944
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Na shot a fair man, Sha had. He was

945
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: one of the first littish young niggas out of the city.

946
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: But everybody thinks shit goes smooth. I tell niggas I

947
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: start rapping in the fourth grade. I got on the

948
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: site where I was winning, and they think everything is

949
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: just smooth and shit like that be happening, man.

950
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: Nah and Sha got caught up with the streets, you

951
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like Sha got caught up with

952
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: the streets. I feel like you know what I mean.

953
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: At that time, Rat wasn't paying like in pay now.

954
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: So you know a lot of people look back and

955
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: be like, whow you be in the streets and you're rappers?

956
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: Like it's like like the rough Riders or what if

957
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: you was with Like what if I was with the Woo?

958
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: What if I would have met him and I was

959
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: with the Woo instead of the rough Riders?

960
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: Would difference, but that would have been like yo, shit shit,

961
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: crazy shit would have been crazy man cash with the

962
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: Wool Yo. So out of everything you've done, battles song,

963
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: what would you say? You asked me you got a

964
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: favorite song?

965
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 2: Hold on before we go to the next topic. I

966
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: just thought about something, you know, shah, he ain't probably

967
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: hear this and be like, damn, man, I was on

968
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: some ship, my bad. I really was with you. You

969
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And it's the same thing I

970
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: want to say to the RIZM. I told you the

971
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 2: Rizzard called me to the studio. They called me to

972
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: the Wu Tang studio, and I fuck with the rism man.

973
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: I love the RIZK, I love the Wo Tang, but

974
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 2: I'm on the road. I think I just did some

975
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: shows are running around. I'm super high, right.

976
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: You ain't dubbed the RIZZM.

977
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: I ain't double them. I'm just high, right. So the

978
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: RIZM like, yo, he is, write me in the studio

979
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: like y'all gonna play some beats casts. We're gonna work. Man,

980
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: I got some ship for you. So I'm like, yo,

981
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: that's what's up man with the rizord Swiss there, but

982
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what like you know, I mean, I'm

983
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 2: about to work with the Rizard though, So I'm like, yo,

984
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: that's what's up. But I'm super high. I'm smoking. I'm

985
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: like this, like I'm waiting for him to load up

986
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: the ship. It's taking time for him to figure out

987
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: like how to load the ship up. So by the

988
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 2: time he loaded the ship up and start playing, I'm

989
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: listening and I'm like, oh, that's I mean. But it

990
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: was like one of his like not like oh take

991
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: clan ain't nothing. It wasn't one of them Jones. It

992
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: was like a more you know, like a smooth type

993
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: of like you know what I mean. Beat. It was

994
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: like some smooth ship. And I'm high and I'm listening

995
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 2: to the jon and I'm like this and he's playing

996
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at him at the board and next

997
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: thing you know, I must have just fell out. Bro.

998
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: You with the sleep sleep bro yo, yo, my head job.

999
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 2: You know, the nigga like what the fuck? I know

1000
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: you mad as ship? Like Yo, this nigga went the

1001
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 2: fucking he like funk out here. I know he probably mad. Yeah.

1002
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 2: By the time I wake up, I look up Rizad,

1003
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: not there nobody, there, no beats playing. I'm like, what

1004
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: the fuck?

1005
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they let yo chill.

1006
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: I just leap. I just want to say, like the

1007
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 2: same way I said, Shah, he ain't Probably the me

1008
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: therty is the reason exactly. And that's the reason like

1009
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 2: I love the rizerd Bro. I wish I could get

1010
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: back in that work. I probably rung my opportunity. But

1011
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: I don't want him to think like I don't fuck

1012
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 2: with him, like I was just high and tired, and man.

1013
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: It be like that bro down Shah. He probably was

1014
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: super lit. Like I said, Man, Shaw was the littest

1015
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: nigga in the city back then, and like you said,

1016
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: was no cell phones, man, and then Sha was in

1017
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: the streets. Man, you had to make ends me, you

1018
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So he caught a lot of

1019
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: bad breaks with going to jail, which you know, I

1020
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: feel like him his movie career because fuck, I was

1021
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: in movies doing everything, kidding me. He was doing his thing.

1022
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: And you know how it is, my nigga, when you lit,

1023
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: you set a hundred different plays up and hey, yeah,

1024
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: holler at me, howland me. I mean, niggas you told

1025
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: how at you you knew you was alary back.

1026
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I ain't telling him to come out in

1027
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: New York and then catch the ferry. Yeah, A lot

1028
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: that was different.

1029
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna front.

1030
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: I used to play a hook sneaker.

1031
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: Store and been like, yo, I'm gonna fuck with you.

1032
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna call you out there. They'll never get with me.

1033
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been mad.

1034
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: I used to play hooky on the Staten Alla Ferry,

1035
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: so I know that shit was free to go to

1036
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: Stanaten Allen fifty cent to come back. I played hooky

1037
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: everywhere in the city. I knew my moms ain't have

1038
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: money to go and she wasn't going to State Allen,

1039
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: so I was.

1040
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 2: Liting New York though. Yeah, difference.

1041
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ain't never go to Philly and get little.

1042
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's the magic going to Philly and you

1043
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: going to Philly, Charlie back in the day. You don't

1044
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: know what?

1045
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, nah man, that's that's why. Yo, that was different.

1046
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: So yo bringing up the rough Ride of days? Man,

1047
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: how was that for you? Like y I Thiggas had

1048
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: the lots Eve Man, Eve is my sister. Man love

1049
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: Eve Man. Like out of all the female rappers in

1050
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: the game, like I know Kill, I know Fox, they

1051
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: the people's that's family all day. But me and Eve

1052
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: was like she she hung with me, she fucked with me,

1053
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I got a different

1054
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: type of love and it's like the rough Rider camp

1055
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: from X God bless x you know what I mean

1056
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: from d all of y'all Swiss, Like, how was that?

1057
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: And that's crazy, like coywem reverse Like I'm a Philly nigga,

1058
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: but it's like Brooklyn is like they embraced me, like

1059
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: it's like my second home. They love me out there, And.

1060
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: That's how Philly is for me exactly. They just think

1061
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm from Philly certain places exactly.

1062
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: No, No, from New York.

1063
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: Yo.

1064
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: It's the same.

1065
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: I can see that.

1066
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: I can see that.

1067
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: I can see that.

1068
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: Wild niggas that think I'm from New York. You know

1069
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But I carry who I be around

1070
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: with me heavy.

1071
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1072
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: Just added like a little concert out there. I mean

1073
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: little little ship that I had in Brooklyn the other day.

1074
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: She was packed the capacity. They showed me super love.

1075
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: I fuck with Brooklyn.

1076
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: Brooklyn and Brooklyn is always going to be the vibe

1077
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: by nigga. That's home base. Man.

1078
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: It was like some oflar Man you get. I mean

1079
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 2: you connect with Eve. I mean your wife from Philly. Yeah, yeah,

1080
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: your wife West Philly RAI.

1081
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, now Philly, Philly my second home. Man. I love Philly.

1082
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: They embrace me. I go down there they treat me

1083
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: like I'm their long lost cousin my wife.

1084
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 2: From New York.

1085
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: Oh shit, we don't traded. We don't trade it, man,

1086
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: that's what's up. And Yo, you told me you've been

1087
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: twenty plus years.

1088
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 3: God bless man. I pray I make it the twenty.

1089
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: I'm on year twelve, this year, married fifteen together, so

1090
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: I feel like we were on our way to twenty

1091
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: twenty plus.

1092
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 2: You on my he you're right there?

1093
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: How is that?

1094
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: Man?

1095
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: What type of advice would you give any of these

1096
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 1: young guys out here? Man that you know turbulentce because

1097
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: it ain't easy. You know, people think marriage and relationships

1098
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: is easy. What we post on the gram is life

1099
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: every day and it's really not like it's ups and

1100
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: downs in every relationship.

1101
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: That's a fact. And every relationship, man, that's a fat.

1102
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: Relationships ain't for everybody, man, No, everybody can't play the

1103
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: part and be saying they fifteen years, twenty years and

1104
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: all that is like, it ain't for everybody, man. It's

1105
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 2: just like it just depends on what type of person

1106
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: you want to be. You got to make the decision

1107
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 2: if you read to to do what is what's required

1108
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 2: to make it work because it's not going to be

1109
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 2: all peaches and cream regardless of fact. I mean, there's

1110
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 2: going to be a fight, and you got to have

1111
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: something to make you want to fight.

1112
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: Fight for that's right, that's what's uthing, man. Like, My

1113
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: advice to these young niggas out here bad is make

1114
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: sure you know what you want to do before you

1115
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: just dive into it. Because I feel like, when looking

1116
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: back my nigga, I played in a lot of these lays,

1117
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: these faces, I was on some bullshit, you know what

1118
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying, playing like that's what you want to know

1119
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: and you didn't want it. It's like now being married

1120
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: and being with a woman and having a daughter and

1121
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: knowing the feelings that a woman really deal with is like,

1122
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: I feel like, be more straightforward. They appreciate that. Yeah,

1123
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: for sure, you know what I'm saying, Be more straightforward.

1124
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: Tell them exactly what you want, who you are, and

1125
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: what you're about. If you ain't about the low term jevity,

1126
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: let them know, ag dog. But sometimes you just to

1127
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: have fun party all the time.

1128
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 2: Yo. Sometimes that could be good advice, but sometimes that

1129
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: could be bad advice depending on what level you ad

1130
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: in life. Yeah, like if you at the introduction level,

1131
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: like when I first start dealing with females, it wouldn't

1132
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: have been best for me to be in that bad

1133
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 2: because I was still young, name deserved. I wasn't even

1134
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: on that type of time. So I was wowy, y'all

1135
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: honest with these girls that don't even deserve it.

1136
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not talking about being honest like telling

1137
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: them your deep dogs. I'm just saying letting them know,

1138
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: egg girl, we not. I don't want no relationship. I'm

1139
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: just here to have fun. I'm here for a good time,

1140
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: not a long time. That type of honesty, like I feel.

1141
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: Like back in the day, I might not even know.

1142
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 2: You might not even know though.

1143
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: That's the thing I knew. I knew, I knew, I

1144
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: knew I didn't want a long term thing I used

1145
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: to do.

1146
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: But you know, because you were in the long term

1147
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: thing now now, so you was thinking that you didn't,

1148
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: but you subconsciously did.

1149
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: Going on.

1150
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: It's the influence of the world, Like, fuck these bitches,

1151
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: I'm bleak, I'm lit. Yeah, I gotta do this, and

1152
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 2: that's what's making you like man, but subconsciously to feel

1153
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: and like you really want it, that's why you got

1154
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: it now and you're telling other people to fight for it,

1155
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: to get it because you know the feeling of it. No,

1156
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 2: he did want it from the beginning. It's just like

1157
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: you was young.

1158
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: I was too. Wasn't in the place to just yo, bro,

1159
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: I was seventeen with a Tahoe and the Terrors seven

1160
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: TVs in there playing Jerry Spring.

1161
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: And we're saying the same shit, like sometimes it's doing

1162
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: that's on your same time right now.

1163
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: He ain't thinking about settling down.

1164
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 2: He thinking about it a young nigga. That's like you

1165
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: when you were young, and he like, man, I'm not

1166
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: trying to that ship talking about.

1167
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Make sure that's what I'm saying.

1168
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: Don't play in these women face, man, because I did.

1169
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 3: I was found.

1170
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: I let a lot of women to the middle of

1171
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: nowhere left for I was on some bullshit and I

1172
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: apologize for it. That's what I'm saying. Cast I was foul.

1173
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: I was on the Roman was fouled too, though, but

1174
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: not like me.

1175
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: I was on some difference because a lot of girls

1176
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: wanted to be there. And I know they look at

1177
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: my wife now and be like, how the fuck she

1178
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: did that, and it's like, I don't know. She just life.

1179
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: Like he's said, climate change.

1180
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: You feel like you need a penalty for being fouled.

1181
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: You think you got no no, no, no, no no no.

1182
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 3: I don't need no penalty.

1183
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: I just want to let these young niggas know, be honest,

1184
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: be truthful, and let him know.

1185
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 3: Keep doing your thing.

1186
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 1: But my g you've been through a lot in this game,

1187
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, from major label deals, going independent,

1188
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: the battle round, just.

1189
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: Saying like if you're a street nigga, right and you

1190
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: fucked up and you meet a girl, she got a

1191
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: little bag, she got cars, she got a little apartment,

1192
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: she's taking care of you and all that. That was

1193
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: just your wife, I know, but she just it's just

1194
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: it is a good move for you right now. Yeah,

1195
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 2: just gonna be honest and be like, yo, I ain't

1196
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: ready for no commitment right now. I don't want to

1197
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: do nothing with you. I'm just trying to do that.

1198
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: Nigga right there, you cut your lot. That was me. Yes,

1199
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: you be honest, Yes, go get your own ship, be

1200
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: living off no chick dog, you feel me.

1201
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: A lot of niggas is that.

1202
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: I know a lot of niggas don't even know they're

1203
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: homeless till they break up.

1204
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: I ain't talking about me and you. I'm talking about

1205
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 2: the world like a lot of niggas.

1206
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, a lot of niggas don't know the break

1207
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: up exactly when the relationship over and they got that go.

1208
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 3: See.

1209
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: That's been my motivation because as a kid my mom.

1210
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: You know, you see moms with her boyfriend or whatever,

1211
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: and when they be like, get your shitty go and

1212
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: niggas grab why, niggas always had that little black bag,

1213
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: Like all your shit fit in a little black bag. Like,

1214
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: so I always knew I'm never gonna carry that little

1215
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:21,919
Speaker 1: black bag.

1216
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: So if you own the cred, if you own the

1217
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 2: crib and you beef with the girl, you're gonna be like, yo,

1218
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: get the fuck out to her.

1219
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 3: My wife.

1220
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah no exactly, So you're in the same but.

1221
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: We're not talking about that, damn. I'm talking about the

1222
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: fuck out. Oh I'm gonna get the fuck out is

1223
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:39,959
Speaker 1: your crib?

1224
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 2: Right, But with your wife, if y'all go through something,

1225
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: you still gotta take that little black bag like the ball.

1226
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I just take the black truck, all right,

1227
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: That black bag niggas was getting on that train. Nigga,

1228
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 1: they was on that iron horse.

1229
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: Shit was bad.

1230
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: I would just take the black truck hell him a go.

1231
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 1: I'll be back tomorrow in the morning when everybody off

1232
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: fail me. But like I said, my g you've been

1233
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: through you know a lot of ups and downs, good moments,

1234
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: bad moments, like I just want to know your motivation

1235
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: that kept your head on straight. Pause if niggas pull,

1236
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't play paws. That kept your mentality, you know straight.

1237
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: And any advice to the young niggas out there, because

1238
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: like I said, you had major label deals, independent deals,

1239
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 1: like I.

1240
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: Want to me tell I get in to this this

1241
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: ship he so much when you talk, you said the pause. Shit,

1242
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: I'm thinking when I did the General Remix way way

1243
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: back in the day with Nives, I was so happy

1244
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 2: to do a record Ives. It was the General Remix,

1245
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 2: but I said that I like, if it's beef, I'm

1246
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 2: on top of it, like he won sauce. Pause now

1247
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: who the truth me? Now? It was like way back

1248
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 2: in the day before pauses out. But people look it

1249
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 2: up though, niggas know the General remix Me and Naves

1250
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 2: and I said pause A long time ago, but you

1251
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: just made me think of that saying the pause. But

1252
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 2: I ain't even cut you off.

1253
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: Man, Nah nah you good, my begging you, my brother man.

1254
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: But like I said, you've been incarcerated deals everything, what

1255
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: keep you motivated to keep going and to bounce back

1256
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: like I ain't gonna let nothing stop me.

1257
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 2: I'm super self confident, man. I believe that the universe

1258
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: start inside of me, Like everything that I visualize and

1259
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 2: see got to do with me. So I mean I

1260
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 2: always been super confident and realize that that's important to succeed.

1261
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 2: You got to be confident in yourself because it could

1262
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 2: be a time when everybody seem like they believe in

1263
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 2: you and they fuck with you and they love you.

1264
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: But it could be other times when everybody seem like

1265
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 2: they turn it back on you and nobody fuck with you.

1266
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: But you still gotta make it make sense and make

1267
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 2: it happen regardless, and you gotta make people understand everything,

1268
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 2: like from the very beginning, everybody else is not gonna

1269
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 2: understand your grind, your drive, your whole. You gotta make

1270
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: them understand. So that takes self confidence and me knowing

1271
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 2: that is what keep me motivated. Man. When the doctors

1272
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: told me when I got in that nearly fatal accident

1273
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 2: I came out the coma, they told me my brain

1274
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: was so badly damaged I was never gonna be able

1275
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: to rap again. And now I feel like I'm the

1276
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: best right now. I feel like nobody could fuck with

1277
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 2: me right now in the world with a perfect brain

1278
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: that never had nothing happen to their brain. I feel

1279
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: like they can't fuck with me. But the doctor was

1280
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 2: telling me that I was never gonna be able to

1281
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: rap again.

1282
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I'm about to take that

1283
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: battle free. I'm about to take that battle free. Don't worry.

1284
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: I'm a venge just ny.

1285
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying, like to be able to accomplish

1286
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: something like that, like when Swiss came to see me, like, Yo,

1287
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna be able to rap again. The doctor like, like,

1288
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But I'm talking to you.

1289
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 2: I got my memory. I'm telling you about things that

1290
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: happened before the accident. That's right, I'm telling you about

1291
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: things that we're talking You asking me, yo, what happened

1292
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 2: in And it's not like I'm like retarded right now,

1293
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 2: You're still correct. You know what I'm saying. So it's like, Yo,

1294
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 2: that's a blessing man, that's.

1295
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 3: A fact bro to be here today.

1296
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: Man, it's a lot of people take life, a lot

1297
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: of things in life for granted until they stripped away,

1298
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, to the little.

1299
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: Things that you know, walking, touching, eating, even just breathing.

1300
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 2: When you get sick and your nose stopped up and

1301
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 2: you can't breathe, you're worse. Just when you get healthy,

1302
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: just a normal, regular way, you just feel so like damn,

1303
01:04:40,800 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 2: I can finally breathe again. Yo.

1304
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: Do you feel like the industry ever tried to just

1305
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: box you in as a battle rapper? Uh?

1306
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 2: Later on in my life, like later on, like more

1307
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 2: more there now, they tried to put me in a

1308
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: batter rapper box. But in the beginning, I don't think

1309
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: they considered me a batter rapper. You had to be

1310
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 2: like a diehard fan to know about them DVDs and

1311
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: me battling free. It wasn't social media, so only like

1312
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: certain industry niggas even knew about that happening.

1313
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: So smack, DVDs come up, DVDs them shits.

1314
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 2: But that wasn't like, it wasn't like mainstream like that,

1315
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 2: Like I mean, it was like some underground shit. So

1316
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think a lot of I mean

1317
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 2: a lot of people knew that I came from that

1318
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: battle rap culture like that. I was on that sipher

1319
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 2: in Philly that was just in the city. But now

1320
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 2: I'm I'm appealing to the whole world. So everybody don't

1321
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 2: know about that Philly shit and you battling and all that.

1322
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: All they know about is what you're doing now, that's right.

1323
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 2: So I was on the rough rid of compilations and

1324
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 2: then I did I got a large house, a dog

1325
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: house in my backyard. They know that. And after you

1326
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: did that, that was Ronald Osley, Puff, Jada kiss Snoop

1327
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: Dog Swiss Beats, and then baby and Me, I'm the

1328
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 2: only new like you see all them is like already

1329
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 2: lit established niggas. And then it's me, I got a

1330
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 2: large house. But it's like one of the most memorable

1331
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 2: lines from that old song from me. And right after that,

1332
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 2: what was the next thing? I dropped you? I mean,

1333
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 2: girl you when that comes to my hotel. So it's

1334
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 2: like the world think I'm like a hotel rapper, Like

1335
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 2: I'm like a pop rapper, like I'm like a making rapper.

1336
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 2: They don't know that. I get busy and I got

1337
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 2: bars and a miracle and I'm from the streets. I'm

1338
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 2: not just a you know what I mean?

1339
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: But what would you say today being from the street

1340
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: and being in the industry, knowing what you know and

1341
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: being through what you've been through what you have with

1342
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: that pop lane.

1343
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 3: Because you had it it's first record.

1344
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 2: It's important to do both. That's why I had to

1345
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 2: fight about what the second album to do. I'm a hustler.

1346
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 2: They ain't want me to do that type of record.

1347
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: They wanted me to do more of a hotel type

1348
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 2: of pop top forty type of record.

1349
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 3: That's what I like.

1350
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 2: It's mandatory for me to do one of these records

1351
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 2: like from my battle history, from what I represent, from

1352
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: who I am. The world need to see me like this,

1353
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: like it's not going to go right unless we do this.

1354
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 3: When I'm a hustler, drop shit change for you exactly.

1355
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 2: But they didn't want to do that. So that's what

1356
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: makes me feel so good about me fighting for that man,

1357
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: fighting to push that, fighting to make that happen. You

1358
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. That's what made me feel good

1359
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 2: about my decisions. And I'm fighting against people that's been

1360
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 2: doing this longer than I was born, you know what

1361
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 2: I mean. I was signing to Clive Davis, so he

1362
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 2: like it was lit before I was born. Like, you

1363
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, So you can't say that you

1364
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 2: did has been putting them all work a time like that. Crazy?

1365
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 2: Can you make a decision over them, you know what

1366
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But for me to know and feeling and

1367
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 2: be able to do that, that meant a lot. And

1368
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: I felt like I had to do that because my

1369
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 2: first two singles was Hotel and Get No Better. So

1370
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 2: if you just a regular fan and you hear that,

1371
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 2: you would never think that I'm like the Freeway Battle Cass.

1372
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: You would never think he was him. You would think

1373
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 2: you could go get it cracking. You said I was

1374
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 2: taking off my shirt for the ladies and doing all that. Yeah,

1375
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 2: you would think I'm that. You won't think that he

1376
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:34,679
Speaker 2: gets this and go crazy.

1377
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: Tell you a nigga like me that never had a

1378
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 1: pop record, never had the body to take his shirt

1379
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: off at the show. I'm looking at this, I'm looking

1380
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: at you and Joe. Who the fuck these niggas think

1381
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: they are many think they gonna get more bites than me.

1382
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 1: Watch this. So I was hated. You was killing just

1383
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 1: just taking the shirt off, nigga. I woanted to get

1384
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: in the gym. I just never had that motivation.

1385
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 2: It's like I got a couple. Look, I ain't want

1386
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 2: to really say it, but I was kind of eting

1387
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 2: when jay Z and all them on the radio and

1388
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 2: Hot nine seven, they talking crazy. That's why I went

1389
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 2: back and like fuck that nah this sing jigger? This

1390
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 2: your little nigga? What who the fuck is this? This?

1391
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 2: That somebody that's that?

1392
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: Your ship by g ward Man? Fucking I remember when

1393
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: Jake Clear I'm a hustler and I'm like, oh, He's like, Yo, Swiss,

1394
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 1: just sit this record over.

1395
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 3: I'm clear I played that ship.

1396
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you were in the studio, Swiss, we

1397
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 2: about to make a beat. Like Yo, I'm already do

1398
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 2: some mixtape. Ship. I gotta get some ship out for

1399
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 2: the streets. So he started sucking with them drums like

1400
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 2: that's crazy. He's like, Yo, I got all these A

1401
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 2: cappellas from Hole. He started going through them. All these

1402
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 2: A cappellas don't need to get to that, Nigga Nigga.

1403
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's crazy. Nigga asks about Nigga. Put

1404
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 2: that ship in the machine. He starts chopping it. Nigga acts, Nigga,

1405
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 2: Nigga asks about me. Nigga acts, Nigga, Nigga asks about me,

1406
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 2: and we went to the next part. When we get

1407
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 2: to the I'm a Hustler, I'm like, when he started

1408
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 2: hitting that, I'm like, Oh, that is it. That's gone.

1409
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: But when he first did it, he did the beat.

1410
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 2: We did the beat when he first When we get

1411
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: the beat, I go in there and because we were

1412
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 2: supposed to be doing a mixtape song, this was he

1413
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 2: was supposed to be doing. So when he do the beat,

1414
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 2: I go in there and I do a mix tape style.

1415
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 2: I lay too long ass verses. I think the verses

1416
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 2: probably like fifty bars, so it takes a long gas

1417
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 2: time to get back to them. I'm a musleah, so

1418
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 2: it's like a long gas time to get back to that.

1419
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 2: I'm just rapping. It's still available. You can look at

1420
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 2: that original version I'm a Hustler. Before the I did

1421
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 2: the song, I was like on the road and DJ

1422
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 2: Romans he was down with flip Mode Buster Rhymes and

1423
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: all lem you know, I mean, not DJ Romance. I'm

1424
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 2: that was the nigga that got me on the cipher.

1425
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 2: But Rampage Rampage was with Flipmo Squad and he was DJ.

1426
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 3: KS.

1427
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 2: Rampage is fucking it, fucking it up on the DJ

1428
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 2: side and the clubs. So he got a hold of

1429
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: that record and he was already fucking it up in

1430
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 2: the city, playing it crazy. But I was on the

1431
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 2: road and I ain't know. So when I get back

1432
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 2: to the city and I go to the club, he's

1433
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 2: everything regular, And then all of a sudden, I had

1434
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 2: new cassidy. Nigga asks about me. Nigga asks about me,

1435
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 2: Ai and all them in the club. I see Ai

1436
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 2: and them get up, they like, Nigga asks about me.

1437
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: Nigga asks about me. It's like everybody going crazy, like

1438
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 2: they know the ship, like it's already like ringing, and

1439
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck? I see AI get up

1440
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: talk about Nigga asks about me. I said, Oh, this

1441
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: ship is a fucking hit, bro, but why it's playing.

1442
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 2: It's taking so long to get back to the hook,

1443
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 2: And I'm like, Yo, this shit ain't It's clubby, but

1444
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 2: I did it like mixed tape bar style. I gotta

1445
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: make this shit into a real song. So I went

1446
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,719
Speaker 2: right back up to New York and I'm like, yo, Swiss,

1447
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 2: this ship is going in the city. We gotta make

1448
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 2: this into a real song. They're like what. I'm like,

1449
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: Nigga that I'm a hustler. He like, nah, gots. I'm like, Nigga, Nah,

1450
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 2: we gotta do that right, And I'm like, nah, that's it.

1451
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: Bro that crazy right there?

1452
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 2: Do it?

1453
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: That's crazy, and.

1454
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 2: He like, all right, fuck it. He pulled the beat up,

1455
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 2: and then I start putting together the verses that you

1456
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 2: hear on the video the actual single, shortening them verses

1457
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,600
Speaker 2: and making it like that. And then we put that

1458
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: shit together, chopped it up, and I'm like, Yo, this

1459
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 2: is it. This is the single. Let's go. And we

1460
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,640
Speaker 2: took that ship to Jay Records. They like what No,

1461
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: I don't like. They like listen, they said, how are

1462
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 2: we going to sell this this record? You don't hear

1463
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 2: in the chorus alone. They like it now. They ain't

1464
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 2: say it, but they like it's Nigga acts, Nigga, Nigga

1465
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 2: acts about me. Nigga Nigga nigga asks about me. They

1466
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 2: start adding up with their fingers the number niggas and

1467
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 2: the shitst that's in the hook, and they like, how

1468
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 2: could we ever get this on the top forty station?

1469
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 2: How we ever get this on the radio? This is

1470
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 2: not it.

1471
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: We need something like girl, you want to come to

1472
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: my hotel.

1473
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, this is it. That's right, and they

1474
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 2: ain't want to believe it, so they ain't putting no

1475
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 2: money behind it. So what we do got to just

1476
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,560
Speaker 2: release it to the mixture DJ's on your own. We

1477
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 2: ain't had no clares, we ain't had no money behind it.

1478
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 2: I just released it to the mixed DJ's on my

1479
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 2: own and they started playing the shit like crazy. They

1480
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:39,639
Speaker 2: started going crazy with the record, and when they start

1481
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 2: seeing the spins and the reaction of the record with

1482
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 2: no money behind it, they said, oh shit, this is it,

1483
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 2: and that's when they started releasing. That's why I was

1484
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 2: able to get Benny Boone to come to Philly and

1485
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 2: shoot the video. That's why we was able to make

1486
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 2: it the first platinum ring tone. But the money came

1487
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 2: a little late. If they would have believed in it

1488
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: from the beginning, and on the top of the fact

1489
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 2: that I was locked up two weeks before the album droppers?

1490
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 2: What effect that the actual more minim of that project.

1491
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: So with that being said, with the I'm a hustler

1492
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 1: taking off, like as a rapper being signed to a

1493
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: rapper and a rapper being signed to a producer always

1494
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: felt like people like y'all like you, Saigone, you know

1495
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: what I mean, you had the advantage of having a

1496
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: producer always on call, Like how was that for you

1497
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: being signed to How would you thought of that process

1498
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: of being with Swiss?

1499
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 2: I guess as advantages and disadvantages of both, you know,

1500
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you probably got some advantages of

1501
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 2: being signed to a rapper because if you're trying to rap,

1502
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 2: it could be advantages today.

1503
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,839
Speaker 1: Until he drops in, until he's trying to drop his project,

1504
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 1: this fuck your project.

1505
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: But at the same time, when you signed to a producer,

1506
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 2: even if you get a crazy record from another producers

1507
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 2: like fuck that song too, you think about that. So

1508
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 2: I mean I got dope records, like you know what

1509
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 2: I mean, that could have went crazy, but you know,

1510
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,560
Speaker 2: from different producers of a producers, the first single is

1511
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 2: always gonna be Swiss, you know what I mean, so

1512
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,799
Speaker 2: a lot of people might think that Swiss like produced everything,

1513
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 2: but on a lot of like my biggest projects, Swiss

1514
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 2: might have produced two or three songs, but it might

1515
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 2: be Christine songs on the project seventeen songs and he

1516
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 2: had produced two or three of them and he had

1517
01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 2: just do the single. Though, So everybody like, yo, Swiss

1518
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 2: did everything. They listened to the project is Swiss, and

1519
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 2: they would just look at it like that, like you

1520
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So it's advantages and disadvantages of both.

1521
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 2: But I mean, I learned a lot being signed to

1522
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,839
Speaker 2: a producer and being focused on bars, like me focusing

1523
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 2: on lyrics and bars. It was good to be signed

1524
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 2: to a producer because he was able to look at

1525
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 2: it from a different perspectives. That's just off bounces and

1526
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 2: energy and yeah, like list and shit like that. When

1527
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 2: I'm not focused on that, I'm more focused on I

1528
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: got a large house, Like I cannot impress you with

1529
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 2: what I'm about to say, but at the same time,

1530
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 2: when you can say it over the right type of

1531
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 2: tempo or the right melody or the right beat and

1532
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 2: make it even better. So being with him with special

1533
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying so, yeah, I can't say

1534
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 2: which one is better, Like if it's me and Saiguy

1535
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 2: got the advantage and you got the advantage. But it's

1536
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,759
Speaker 2: all a blessing just to be with somebody that's established,

1537
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 2: regardless if it's a rapper, producer or even somebody that

1538
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 2: don't do nothing, but they just got information.

1539
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: Got connects. Yeah, that's all it's about, man. It's having

1540
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 1: an opportunity. Opportunity is bigger than anything, man, it's what

1541
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 1: you do with it. So like and being from Philly,

1542
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: man one of the most competitive cities when it comes

1543
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 1: down the spinners like the new generation. How do you

1544
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: feel your influence play in the role of the new

1545
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: generation spinners from.

1546
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 3: Philly A lot?

1547
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 2: I think even a new drill saund On, all that

1548
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 2: got to do with how he was giving it up,

1549
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 2: me aar Ad, the old ob h Loste family, how

1550
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 2: we were just giving it up, talking that crazy shit

1551
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 2: as well, and.

1552
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 3: Influenced a lot.

1553
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 2: And with this Battle rap Ship, how I gave it up,

1554
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: like with all of the leagues, Battle Academy and all

1555
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 2: of the Philly leagues like those wouldn't exist if it

1556
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 2: wasn't for the work that you know, what I mean

1557
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,679
Speaker 2: I put in if me and Free Battle ain't happen,

1558
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 2: it probably wouldn't be no U Are Rel. It probably

1559
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 2: wouldn't be no rb rare Breed Entertainment. I mean, it

1560
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't be no King of the Dot. You know

1561
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. It's like everything lead to other things,

1562
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 2: So you know what I'm saying that was that battle

1563
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 2: is what led to all of these people seeing that

1564
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 2: it's money and it's and people is interested in seeing

1565
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:56,759
Speaker 2: this type.

1566
01:17:56,600 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 3: Of sh It's interest is money. That's all your name man.

1567
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 3: Once it's interest, it's money for show exactly.

1568
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 2: So like you know, I shit wasn't but for social media.

1569
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:11,799
Speaker 2: So it was on the VHS tape Po Po Po

1570
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 2: a nigga that actually recorded it that was down with

1571
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 2: rough riders on the camera that record on the VP type.

1572
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 2: So in the in the beginning, it was only on

1573
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: VHS tape and certain industry niggas got access to the tape,

1574
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,799
Speaker 2: so they was all when they came to the studio

1575
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 2: with us, they was able to see it. But they

1576
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 2: was able to just say I've seen it and talk

1577
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 2: about it. But it wasn't like the Internet where you

1578
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 2: could pull it up and actually see it. So then

1579
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: the mixtape DJ got Damn, I don't remember what mixtape

1580
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 2: DJ got it first, and I don't want to disrespect him.

1581
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 2: I know he had to be somebody, but I just

1582
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 2: can't remember. But one of the one of the mixtape

1583
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 2: DJs that was lit at the time, got access to

1584
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 2: the VHS tape, so he took the VHS tape and

1585
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 2: put it on the audio. He took the audio off

1586
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 2: of the VHS tape and put it on the mix

1587
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 2: team where the battle was just like music mix tape.

1588
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 2: So people was riding around the sound right that killing Yeah,

1589
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 2: So it was on like a mix tape and people

1590
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 2: was riding around actually listening to the battle like it

1591
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 2: was a record or a mix tape record, and they

1592
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 2: was actually rapping it, but they couldn't see us. They

1593
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 2: didn't know that it was like visual. It was just

1594
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 2: on the mix taap, so you know what I'm saying,

1595
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 2: Like you know, and then eventually when YouTube started and

1596
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 2: all that, then people was able to see the audio,

1597
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 2: I mean, the actual visual later, you know what I mean.

1598
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 2: But I think that's what led to all of these

1599
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 2: leagues starting and people getting inspired to even want to

1600
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 2: be super lyrical and punch Like you said, punching wasn't

1601
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 2: around before I really made it super popular. So for

1602
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 2: people to be just focused it's on street punching and

1603
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 2: being competitive and disrespecting the nigga like that. You know

1604
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 2: what I mean, All that energy wasn't really around.

1605
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: But for me, Yeah, that's right, man. That's why I'm

1606
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: gonna ask you too. That's my next question. Do you

1607
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: feel like real balls is back or do you feel

1608
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: like the half they ever left?

1609
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: They never left because there's billions of people in the world.

1610
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 2: So Grand Aster, Caz, Big Daddy, Kane, Rock Kim, they

1611
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,760
Speaker 2: are still alive, especially as still alive Kumo D.

1612
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:32,640
Speaker 3: He just.

1613
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 2: Shout out to Kumo D. We be communicating He's still alive. Bro.

1614
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 2: All of the legends, KRS one, they still alive. L

1615
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,599
Speaker 2: L still alive. Shout out the l L. I went

1616
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 2: to the studio with l when I was super young.

1617
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 2: I was like a teenager. That's when I was just

1618
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 2: starting l L knew all my mixtape shit from back then.

1619
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 2: This is the first time I seen Holly Berry too.

1620
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 2: Be outside the hotel waiting for LLL to come down,

1621
01:20:59,080 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 2: and I see Holly b for the first time.

1622
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,640
Speaker 3: I am, but you foul though you just did some

1623
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 3: foul ship.

1624
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: You mentioned D and then you said l L and

1625
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 1: hip hop legend derry rapper. Now both it's like blash

1626
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 1: both l L was out here let me.

1627
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 2: Texting me calling was that ship man?

1628
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,759
Speaker 1: He had legend shades.

1629
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 3: But then w l L said, I crushed D shades

1630
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 3: and ice.

1631
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 2: To Like I told you, I was in the studio

1632
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 2: where l L we work. I love l L. I

1633
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 2: love They both inspired me to be me.

1634
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, niggas, you gotta battle L No, I'm fucking

1635
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 1: with you is the super battle rapper.

1636
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 2: I couldn't even I would never disrespect like yo. I'm

1637
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 2: not a nigga that disrespect the niggas.

1638
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:55,760
Speaker 1: That was pioneers. Yeah, I'm saying, like the groundwork for

1639
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,680
Speaker 1: us bro them the o gs.

1640
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 2: Like like even you like you came too much before me.

1641
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even you know.

1642
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: You wanted to battle me. You know, I don't believe

1643
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: you can't.

1644
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 2: No, I never did that. You wasn't. It was too

1645
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 2: but for me, like you know what I'm saying, you

1646
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 2: was already on when I was thinking about getting on.

1647
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 2: And once it's like that I don't. I don't disrespect

1648
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 2: like all these people I'm naming us I talked to,

1649
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 2: especially at Kumo, d Graham as the cas Krs, one Ll,

1650
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 2: cool J, all these people I talked to, and I

1651
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 2: would never I feel like I'm the best, but I'm

1652
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 2: the best from after they from me like I'm not.

1653
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 2: The only way I would ever disrespect the nigga that

1654
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 2: came before me if he just started disrespecting me, Crazy

1655
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 2: and Violey and Me and just I don't got no

1656
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,839
Speaker 2: other choice, But I would never like no other choice.

1657
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 2: I would never like initiate no disrespect to the niggas

1658
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,680
Speaker 2: that paved the way for me. If they ain't do

1659
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 2: what they did, I wouldn't even be able to exist.

1660
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 2: And I realize that, And I realized if I ain't

1661
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 2: do what I did, all of the people that came

1662
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 2: after me wouldn't be able to exist. So the same way,

1663
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 2: I want them to show respect for the work I

1664
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 2: put in. I got to show the respect for the

1665
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 2: work the niggas that put in that game. But for me, Bro,

1666
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 2: that's only right.

1667
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:16,719
Speaker 1: I mean, let me ask you, being a major boss,

1668
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: spit a battle rapper, hit maker from pop to Underground records, mixtapes.

1669
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 1: What you feel what's your take on ghostwriting, Like, how

1670
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: do you feel about do you take away from an

1671
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: artist craft and ghostwriting and all of that stuff.

1672
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: And all the same category as dudes like me that's

1673
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 2: trying to be the best and really is the best

1674
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 2: and really like battling and competitive. You could never be

1675
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 2: in that conversation if you got ghostwriters and you got

1676
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 2: assistance and you got help, there's no way to compare us. Now,

1677
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 2: you could compare the other niggas that got ghostwriters like

1678
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:53,560
Speaker 2: you as far as success and how y'all took the

1679
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,600
Speaker 2: ghost writing, how y'all delivered it, how y'all accomplished that.

1680
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 2: You can fight with them, But you can never battle

1681
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,640
Speaker 2: with a nigga that do it from the muscle and

1682
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: try to act like you could compete with that. It's

1683
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 2: a difference, you know what I'm saying. So that's what

1684
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 2: I don't like. I don't like when fans try to

1685
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 2: like mix and match that. And there's nothing wrong with

1686
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 2: having the ghost writer. The first hip hop song that

1687
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 2: we ever heard was Goosery and grand Master cast Ghos

1688
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 2: wrote that I told you that's my inspiration. He ghost

1689
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 2: wrote the first actual record ahead.

1690
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: That was ghost writting shit niggas saying the name that

1691
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 1: wasn't even his name in that song.

1692
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 2: So before before we even knew about Rat, Rat was

1693
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 2: already getting goost written. So we can't say, like, you

1694
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, it's gonna happen. It's a business.

1695
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 2: Niggas trying to get money and be successful, but at

1696
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 2: the same time there's also rules and regulations. So just

1697
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 2: because you get money and successful, don't me and you

1698
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 2: could compare to a nigga that's doing it from the muscle.

1699
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 3: That's what fact I mean.

1700
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 2: And a lot of niggas that niggas compare me to

1701
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 2: I ghost wrote for I don't say it, but it'd

1702
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 2: be funny. They'd be like, Yo, you ain't better than

1703
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: such and such, and I'd be like, Yo, when we

1704
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 2: was in the studio, I was the one giving this

1705
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 2: nigga all the lines to say, but y'all saying I'm

1706
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 2: not better than him?

1707
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: How Like, what's why you gave him all the lines?

1708
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 3: That's why you're not.

1709
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 2: I take that.

1710
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: Can't be better than yourself? Nigga? What the fuck you

1711
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: battering yourself? They right.

1712
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 2: Times though, I bat on myself. I think three times

1713
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 2: on two of my albums and on a different record

1714
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 2: after that, I beat on myself. I was the first

1715
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 2: person to actually do that because I ain't had nobody

1716
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 2: to battle me, and I love battling. That's what made

1717
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 2: me get excited.

1718
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: So I'm like, niggas, I battled myself. Niggah, that's dope, man,

1719
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 1: cash you dead friend, nigga. Yo. When people speak of

1720
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 1: Philly legends, man, in the history and the Philly and everything,

1721
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 1: well you think your name should be born up among

1722
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 1: the Philly legends.

1723
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 2: Well, it's a lot of Philly legends. Before we talk

1724
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 2: about me, just shout out to the Philly legends. Man,

1725
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 2: all the work man, Oh.

1726
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 1: You got the whole, you got state property, Beanie Segull,

1727
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: you got what's uh? What's the homies that had the

1728
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: first record put Philly most wanted Philly, most want It?

1729
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 3: You got Gilly and them.

1730
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 2: That's major figures. You got, uh, you got ram.

1731
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 1: Squad, you got a got about Ram Squad.

1732
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 2: It's a lot of people from Phillydo you got uh?

1733
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 2: Will Smith? You got Eve, you got Bahamada.

1734
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Dia was ship she was spitting. Yeah, but

1735
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 3: you feel.

1736
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: Wait before you answer that question, would you feel about

1737
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: Will Smith's latest bars.

1738
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 2: I just I was a super fan of Will Smith

1739
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,799
Speaker 2: when I was like a kid, like a baby.

1740
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 1: It's one of the biggest entertainers in the world. But

1741
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking about his rap that.

1742
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm just happy he's still being active, still rapping, you

1743
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 2: know what I mean, He's still he doing it all man,

1744
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 2: he just got the world, bro, you can't. It's different

1745
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 2: when Will rap. Man, It's like you's gonna say the

1746
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 2: same line as a million of a billion other people,

1747
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: but it's just gonna hit different when Will say it.

1748
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 3: It's Will Man.

1749
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: I think I think it's more or less that that's

1750
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: the point that that's Will Smith. He's fucking no matter

1751
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 1: what he said.

1752
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 2: The same thing Will hove. It's like, you know, he's

1753
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 2: super lyrical, he's super nice. But the advantage he got

1754
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 2: us he could say other things that a billion other

1755
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 2: niggas could have said the same thing and it just

1756
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 2: won't hit the same. It's just him how he say it,

1757
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 2: and you just visualize him. It just in different. M

1758
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:54,759
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I think that's the advantage

1759
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 2: Will got. Just happy He's still rapping still, I mean

1760
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 2: doing this thing representing for the city.

1761
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1762
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 1: But like I said, back to the question, where you

1763
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: think your name should be put amongst the great of Philadelphia.

1764
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 2: It depends on what you're talking about. If you're talking

1765
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 2: about bars number one cool, If you're talking about just

1766
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 2: bars lyrics like just that number one.

1767
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 3: So that ship Man, but just as an overall artist.

1768
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 2: Talking about actual success and being like popular, like a

1769
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 2: household name, that's arguable. And if you want to just

1770
01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 2: talk about rap because it's other like you know, you

1771
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 2: got Jill Scott, you got other people that don't rap.

1772
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 2: But if you're just talking rat you know what I mean, I'm.

1773
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:40,600
Speaker 1: Definitely label Man Pod more lit than us.

1774
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 2: I told you my first manager, like artists like that.

1775
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 2: But if we just talking rap, I'm definitely Mount.

1776
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: Teddy from from Philly. The only black thought. Now you

1777
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 1: ain't nice, you ain't fucking with the.

1778
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,600
Speaker 2: Only people that you could only put in these in

1779
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,639
Speaker 2: the in then Mount Russian was for so like if

1780
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 2: you was to do that, like you could do a

1781
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 2: Black Thought, you could do like a Beanie Seagull and

1782
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 2: like the newer generation might do me m but who else.

1783
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:12,479
Speaker 3: Gotta be?

1784
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:12,640
Speaker 2: You?

1785
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 3: That's you up there, the fourth man Rushmore.

1786
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt like you know what I'm saying, I'm

1787
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:21,200
Speaker 2: already edging stone in the city with rap like when

1788
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 2: they come to bars and just getting busy and just

1789
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 2: being competitive like everybody else do different ship like what

1790
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 2: I mean Black Thought get busy lyrically. I mean body

1791
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 2: some ships the nicest from Phillip the band, the whole ship.

1792
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 3: Like with him, I mean that niggas go rhyme about anything.

1793
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 2: He the dopest man.

1794
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: Seriously, he could freestyle round about.

1795
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 2: Black Thought is like my inspiration to like the Roots

1796
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 2: thiks braw like them. Niggas was going crazy before I

1797
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 2: was on, Like I was like a kid listening to

1798
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 2: them niggas in the Alli way, just listening to them.

1799
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 2: So they like in me to want to do my things.

1800
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 2: So I would never like be able to compete with

1801
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 2: the Roots because they was way they was on. Compete

1802
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 2: with the same thing with Beanie, Like I told you

1803
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 2: when I first met beans he was about to put

1804
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 2: me on that I pissed on your grave. He was

1805
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 2: already on on this thing when we first seen each other.

1806
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 2: Of course, I was on the sipher and I was

1807
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 2: Litt and that's where he knew me from. But that's

1808
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 2: just a radio competition with me battling. I have no real,

1809
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 2: nothing to degenerate, no publishing, you know what I'm saying.

1810
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 2: He was already on on his thing and was ready

1811
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 2: to put me on the record. So he's before me,

1812
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

1813
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:38,759
Speaker 1: So it's like speaking of beans man bean.

1814
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 2: Take away from what Gilly and the Major Figures did.

1815
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 2: They was before me. Bro ab Liva from Major Figures.

1816
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: When I'm a little kid listening to my raps giving

1817
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 2: me inspiration, he already old, driving around in trucks and

1818
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:59,040
Speaker 2: doing ship and he picking me up. I'm a young boy. Johnson.

1819
01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 2: I just seen him the day from like an avenue,

1820
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 2: like from a block up. He was the first one

1821
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 2: doing that double time fast rhyming that everybody do. Now.

1822
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 2: He was killing shit. Used to show me that A

1823
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 2: got busy, No aar is after that. Dutch from Major Figures,

1824
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 2: Like Dutch wanted me to be in the figures and

1825
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 2: then another group that he was in, like that's how

1826
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 2: close I am with these Philly niggas.

1827
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 3: Dutch made up a fake bad.

1828
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 2: Once I got on that, once I got on and

1829
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 2: I got the opportunity. That's when I put aar on.

1830
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, ar on ob h the

1831
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,760
Speaker 2: rest of them niggas. And that's how niggas started to know.

1832
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 3: Ob you put a on.

1833
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

1834
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. I put r On to the to the world

1835
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 2: like I mean, he had a little buzz down anyway

1836
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 2: from a niggas corrat, but to the world to everybody

1837
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 2: knowing who R is. And I'm being the household name man.

1838
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 3: That's dope man.

1839
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 1: That's what's up man? What's next for cast man? Musically?

1840
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 1: Business wise, family wise? What's next? What's next?

1841
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 3: You want the people to know that you got coming

1842
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:03,600
Speaker 3: out or working on.

1843
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 2: I'm always working man. Unfortunately, the last battle I had

1844
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:11,679
Speaker 2: couldn't get completed.

1845
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the block making it's about the brawl on

1846
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: the block.

1847
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 2: I've been dropping a lot of dish records towards him.

1848
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just seen another war.

1849
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just focusing on him. I've been dropping a

1850
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 2: lot of records like to start twenty twenty six, just

1851
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 2: to show people that Bars is back and I'm active

1852
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 2: everything three sixty. So it's been a time when Bars

1853
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,799
Speaker 2: were super active, like back when when when we first started,

1854
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,600
Speaker 2: it was all revolved around bars. It felt like you

1855
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 2: couldn't even get a spot if you couldn't wrap. But

1856
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 2: then it went to some other shit. It was more

1857
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:51,680
Speaker 2: about dance and to be permittent and like, but now

1858
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,880
Speaker 2: it's always going three sixty it's gonna come back. And

1859
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 2: that's why I was telling people bars is back. So

1860
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 2: now people was like a few years ago, like bars dead,

1861
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 2: don't know bike on here, that shit no more. That

1862
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 2: shit is over. But now it seemed like that's all

1863
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 2: that got people attention is a nigga being original, a

1864
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 2: nigga having bars, a nigga talking some crazy shit about

1865
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 2: a different nigga, like like, man, fuck all the mother niggas,

1866
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 2: it's all about us. Back to that. But that's how

1867
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 2: it used to be. So it's three sixty and again,

1868
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 2: and now it's back to where people that grew up

1869
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 2: off that could capitalize what I'm saying. So it's seeming

1870
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 2: like like the niggas like us that came up in

1871
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 2: that time and survived, we like genius is now so

1872
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 2: like the information that we got is super valuable to

1873
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 2: the people that's trying to figure it out now because

1874
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 2: bars is back.

1875
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 3: The game is to be sold, not told. You already know.

1876
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: So when it's all said and done, man and you

1877
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 1: kick back, retired kids, grown grand children, what do you

1878
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: want the legacy of Cassidy?

1879
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 3: Bar wants people to say.

1880
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 2: That's what I was born with. That's my name, Barrek Barr,

1881
01:33:54,880 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 2: Adrian Reese bars Man just he just focused on saying

1882
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 2: crazy shit consistently forever, like that's what I want people

1883
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 2: to remember me by. And then I tried to always

1884
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 2: like work man. Even when I'm talking to legends, older rappers,

1885
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm working. I'm talking to new niggas. They could be

1886
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 2: a PG battle rapper, and I'm still I got wild

1887
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 2: bars to head. You let me hear something what you're

1888
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 2: working on. I just want people to remember me as

1889
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 2: being like a workaholic, Like how they kind of remember

1890
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 2: Tupac Yo when you was in the studio with him.

1891
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 2: It was no games. I told you that one time

1892
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 2: I fell asleep in the jone with Riza, But that's

1893
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 2: when I was like super young, like a teenager. But

1894
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 2: since then I've been up ever since. So it's like

1895
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 2: people know when they get in the studio with me,

1896
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 2: I don't play no games. I'm constantly working. I don't

1897
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 2: talk and joke and play video games and all that.

1898
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 2: I'm constantly focusing on making that crack. You know what

1899
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I want niggas to just remember me

1900
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 2: by that, like his work ethic was incredible, and all

1901
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 2: he was focusing on is saying the that shit that

1902
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 2: he could possibly say. And if I leave that behind,

1903
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 2: I know what, nigga, that know what nigga lives like

1904
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 2: that gonna just do the best that he could possibly

1905
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 2: do to just keep taking the ship to the next level.

1906
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 1: That's a fact, man, That's what suth cast. I appreciate

1907
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 1: you pulling up man from day one. You always been

1908
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 1: rock solid, always been a real nigga to me, Man,

1909
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,560
Speaker 1: I watch your battles, I stream all your music, I

1910
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 1: watch everything you do. My nigga, just know we tapped

1911
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: in and from my big homie, the one advice he

1912
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 1: gave me, whether one, one thousand or one million, it's

1913
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 1: no somebody tapped in.

1914
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,719
Speaker 3: Always remember I'm tapped in, my nigga.

1915
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:39,560
Speaker 2: And you want to know what the big homie l

1916
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:41,759
Speaker 2: L gave me some advice when I was in the studio.

1917
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,560
Speaker 2: When I told you I seen Holly Berry for the

1918
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 2: first time. The advice he gave me, that's legendary.

1919
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 3: He said.

1920
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 2: Yo, he said, Yo, I've been paying attention to you.

1921
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 2: He's like, Yo, you told you said I was taking

1922
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 2: off my shirt on my ja. Rude shit. He said

1923
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 2: the same, like I've I've been peeping you. The woman.

1924
01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 2: Fuck with you, your man, You got your shit going on.

1925
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 2: He like, But the only advice I'm gonna give you

1926
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 2: is stay off them hard drugs.

1927
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 3: Bro.

1928
01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 2: Yo, He's like, Yo, you start using them hard drugs

1929
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 2: and shit's gonna make you look old.

1930
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 3: That's right.

1931
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 2: Ladies that fuck with you, they ain't gonna that's right,

1932
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 2: he said. But if you stay off the hard drugs,

1933
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 2: he said me. Yeah, we stopped at the liquor store.

1934
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 2: I grab some of my drink. You know what I mean.

1935
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 2: I see you smoking, that's light. I'm talking about the

1936
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 2: hard drugs.

1937
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 3: That's right.

1938
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 2: Like, you stay off them hard drugs and you stay

1939
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 2: in shape. Ladies gonna love you forever. Bro. The fact

1940
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 2: you're never gonna stop loving you. I don't care how

1941
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:36,679
Speaker 2: old you get. You stay like this, you stay looking

1942
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 2: the same. They gonna love you forever.

1943
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 3: That's a fact.

1944
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 2: So I took that. I took either of that man,

1945
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 2: And that's why I like when you see me now.

1946
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 2: You could look at one of my old videos like

1947
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:48,759
Speaker 2: Hotel and look at me now and I'm still looking

1948
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 2: the same, Like it ain't like I made some crazy alteration.

1949
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 2: It's like it's the same. Nigga's right as I took

1950
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 2: LLL advice. So shout out to the good.

1951
01:36:56,720 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 1: You hear that kids stay off the hard drugs. Can

1952
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 1: thirteen look at forty five stealth doll drugs rock solid.

1953
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:05,720
Speaker 3: We're here.

1954
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Speaker 1: Yeah. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit iHeartRadio app,

1955
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows

1956
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 1: app and you can follow me on any social media

1957
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:23,799
Speaker 1: platform under the name Memphis Bleach. You see anybody fraud

1958
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Speaker 1: in flagg them