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Speaker 1: Folks, it is Wednesday, November nineteenth, and a story that

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Speaker 1: made national headlines. An eighteen year old Florida high school

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Speaker 1: senior found dead on a carnival cruise ship, a mysterious death,

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Speaker 1: and now we're getting worried that her sixteen year old

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Speaker 1: step brother is a suspect in her death. And with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome everybody to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Robes.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember this story was a big look. A

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Speaker 1: mysterious death aboard a cruise ship gets attention, and it

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Speaker 1: seems like we seem to have quite a number of those.

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Speaker 1: But when you were talking about an eighteen year old

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Speaker 1: high school senior from Florida, this one made headlines.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Because normally when you hear about some sort of

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Speaker 3: mishap on a cruise ship, it is a body overboard,

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Speaker 3: someone who is missing, someone who they are searching for,

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Speaker 3: maybe even a body that has been found. This was

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Speaker 3: altogether different. This young lady, and again she was so young,

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Speaker 3: just eighteen years old, was found in her cabin under

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Speaker 3: her bed. Correct.

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Speaker 1: Now we say mysterious circumstances, they don't get more mysterious

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Speaker 1: than this, And this isn't a case of overboard. This

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Speaker 1: isn't a case of, well, what might have happened because

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Speaker 1: we need to wait on a toxicology report. The mystery

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Speaker 1: here is why an eighteen year old, healthy, young lady

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Speaker 1: is dead. But to your point, their robes, this does

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Speaker 1: not suggest an accident. With the information that has come out,

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Speaker 1: which is suggesting that, yes, she was found covered in

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Speaker 1: was it blankets or jackets under the bed, that doesn't

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Speaker 1: suggest an accident. So those were the circumstances. But what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about here, folks, and again it made Nash headlines.

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Speaker 1: The young lady's name is Anna Kepner, eighteen years old

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Speaker 1: high school senior from Florida. She was on this cruise.

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Speaker 1: She was with her dad. She was their step mom

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Speaker 1: and two steps Remind me, what were the ages? I said,

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Speaker 1: the sixteen year old step brother, of course, but the

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Speaker 1: other one.

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Speaker 3: Was nine years old.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so yes, yes, family trip. So the cruise left

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Speaker 1: from Miami, it hit a couple of spots in the Caribbean,

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Speaker 1: and came back to Miami. That was the cruise. But

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Speaker 1: she was found November eighth when the cruise came back. Now,

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Speaker 1: the and this was another part of this robe that

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Speaker 1: I didn't exactly understand the medical examiner determined they did

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Speaker 1: not know. Oh they have not released at least robes

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Speaker 1: the cause of death, but they said.

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Speaker 2: That they know that she died on November seventh, and.

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Speaker 1: Not just that robe. They seemed to say they know

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Speaker 1: exactly when she died. At eleven seventeen a m. I'm

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Speaker 1: asking you, am I missing something? How would they be

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Speaker 1: able to know exactly when she died?

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Speaker 3: You and I were just discussing this because that is

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Speaker 3: very rare. I have never seen, especially in a mysterious death,

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Speaker 3: one in which we don't know whether or not it's

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Speaker 3: a homicide or natural causes or whatever something in between.

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Speaker 3: For them to give the exact time of death is

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Speaker 3: very bizarre. My best guess was, what if she had

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Speaker 3: able to see when her heart stopped beating, when her

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Speaker 3: pulse that direct, and then they actually had an exact

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Speaker 3: time based on that technology. That was my best guests.

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Speaker 1: That has to be it, right, I feel like we're

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Speaker 1: missing something that's right there in our faces, but that

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Speaker 1: has to be it. But yes, they have an exact

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Speaker 1: time of death. They say, but they have not released,

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Speaker 1: at least to us, and maybe they don't know yet,

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Speaker 1: but they have not told the public how this young

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Speaker 1: lady died. Again, it was a Carnival Horizon cruise. I

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Speaker 1: help me, hear, ropes. I can't remember how many can

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Speaker 1: get on this ship. It's three or four thousand.

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Speaker 3: It's somewhere around there. Yes, and look, it seemed as

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Speaker 3: though when this was initially reported that this might have

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Speaker 3: just been some sort of tragic Yes, natural causes. You know,

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Speaker 3: her heart stopped beating, there was an aneurysm, there was

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Speaker 3: some undiagnosed condition. That was kind of the sentiment. It

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Speaker 3: didn't seem mysterious. We didn't on Morning Run and we

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Speaker 3: remember we didn't include this because it didn't seem suspicious.

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Speaker 3: It just seemed like something tragic, but something that maybe

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Speaker 1: This has Yes, as you're saying, Ropes, this story has

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Speaker 1: now flipped a mysterious death, yes is one thing, But

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Speaker 1: now some details have come out that detail in particular

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Speaker 1: reporting that particular fact, which would not robes suggest that

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Speaker 1: this was necessarily an accident. So why is this in

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Speaker 1: out this information now because of a completely separate has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with this cruise. Legal case going on

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Speaker 1: with Anna Keepner's step mom that she was on this

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Speaker 1: cruise with. Her name is Chantelle Hudson. She is the

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Speaker 1: step mom of Anna Kaepner, the deceased teenager from Florida.

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Speaker 1: Chantelle Hudson is going through a custody a legal custody

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Speaker 1: fight with her ex husband, and so a couple of

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Speaker 1: filings this week she had to make robes in relation

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Speaker 1: to that custody dispute that suggest no, no, no, not not suggest,

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Speaker 1: didn't suggest. Okay, that's fair to say, right, Yes, they

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Speaker 1: flat out say that her son, the sixteen year old

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Speaker 1: son that was also on that cruise, is now a

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Speaker 2: What in God's name?

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Speaker 3: That is shocking? It is jaw dropping to hear that.

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Speaker 3: And yes, this was she had to give a reason

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Speaker 3: why she couldn't proceed with a hearing that was scheduled

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Speaker 3: because she said she had to be there for her son,

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Speaker 3: who is now potentially considered a suspect in this death

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Speaker 3: investigation of his stepsister. That is a complete out of

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Speaker 3: left field. Are you kidding me? Wait? What moment in

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't think about it to you said it?

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Speaker 1: You said, that's a what the hell moment? There was

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Speaker 1: no suggestion anywhere in any headline that there was anybody

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Speaker 1: young lady. And all of a sudden, in these court filings,

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Speaker 1: we see now, So let us explain, and let's tell

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Speaker 1: this separate custody hearing, the step mom of Anna Keepner

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Speaker 1: need to put a pause on my custody hearing, and

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Speaker 1: robes she gives a very clear reason as to why

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Speaker 1: she should not be now compelled to testify in this

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Speaker 3: All right, she writes, an extremely sensitive and severe circumstance

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Speaker 3: has arisen wherein the respondent slash mother will not be

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Speaker 3: there is an investigation being conducted by the Federal Bureau

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Speaker 3: of Investigation arising out of the sudden death of eighteen

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Speaker 3: year old Anna Kaepner, who has found deceased on November ninth,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, on a carnival cruise. Miss Anna Kaepner,

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Speaker 3: the deceased is the daughter of the respondent's paramore, and

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Speaker 3: the respondent and the minor children of this instant action

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Speaker 3: were all on the cruise ship together. The respondent has

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Speaker 3: been advised through discussions with FBI investigators and her attorneys

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Speaker 3: the minor children of this instant action.

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Speaker 1: Can't be any more clear than that. Whoa can't be

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Speaker 1: any more clear than that. And a second filing in

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Speaker 1: this same case identified and said the teenagers identified this

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Speaker 1: teenager at least with initials, said the sixteen year old

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Speaker 2: Robes.

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Speaker 1: Wow, this is again this eighteen year old young lady

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Speaker 1: Anna Keepner. Look the pictures of her are everywhere. She

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Speaker 1: is what you expect of an eighteen year old high

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Speaker 1: oh my god, it's a tragedy. But for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: now this suggestion, like what in God's name happened?

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Speaker 2: This is a sixteen year.

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Speaker 3: Old, a stepbrother, a sixteen year old stepbrother somehow is

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Speaker 3: This took a twist. I don't think anyone saw coming.

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Speaker 1: And you're talking about we're talking about the potential of

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Speaker 1: a sixteen year old. Okay, a sibling is one thing.

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Speaker 1: A sixteen year old murderer is still very difficult for

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Speaker 1: me to give my interrom So, okay, this is early

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Speaker 1: and that, of course there will be And one of

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Speaker 1: the court filings said that they are in the process

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Speaker 1: of finding a lawyer for the sixteen year old, right,

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Speaker 1: so we don't know what happened. But the idea now

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Speaker 3: Going to make that line. But to hear that she

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Speaker 3: jackets and blankets around or underneath the bed, that is

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Speaker 3: so atypical. As we pointed out, we all have heard

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Speaker 3: of cruise ship deaths. They all almost, I feel like, unanimously,

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Speaker 1: All right, and folks stay here when we come back.

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Speaker 1: It seems like you see a headline every now and again.

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Speaker 1: There were a couple of headlines earlier this year. Right

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Speaker 1: then they leave. It was somewhere down in Australia something

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Speaker 1: they left a passenger behind.

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Speaker 3: She was on a hike guests, an elderly woman. They

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Speaker 3: left her, forgot her, but she died. I came back

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Speaker 1: Yes, we hear about these, but just how many deaths

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Speaker 1: are there every year on cruise ships. We'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: Stay here, all right, folks, welcome back, say TJ.

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Speaker 2: Roges.

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Speaker 1: We have been talking, actually we've been talking for quite

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Speaker 1: a while about the possibility of us going on a cruise.

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Speaker 3: We have.

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Speaker 1: And usually the first thing that we come up with

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Speaker 1: to say why we shouldn't go on a cruise has

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Speaker 1: to do with norovirus.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there, that's my big concern. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: go on a cruise because of the possibility that yes,

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Speaker 3: Nora virus somehow gets on that cruise ship and spreads

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Speaker 3: like wildfire. And now this amazing vacation that you've spent

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Speaker 3: all this money, all this time for, you're in a

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Speaker 3: bathroom for days. No thank you. So that's always my

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Speaker 3: biggest fear with cruise ships. But yes, there's also the

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Speaker 3: fear of maybe being a honeymooner. I feel like that's

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Speaker 3: not a good like that is who gets pushed over?

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Speaker 2: Or you watch we watch.

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Speaker 3: Any I read too many novels and watch too many

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Speaker 3: TV shows. But yes, if I'm in a new relationship,

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Speaker 3: or I don't want to be sick. Those are two

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Speaker 2: So you don't want to go on a cruise with me, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're not in a new relationship. We're just in

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Speaker 3: a Yes, we're in a mature relationship. So I know

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Speaker 3: I would feel totally comfortable going on a cruise ship

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Speaker 1: But I think that probably is the one thing that

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Speaker 2: It's not going over the older folks.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know you're one hundred percent right, but you

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Speaker 3: But this story in particular is really concerning. This isn't

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do think we're like in terms of that choice,

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Speaker 3: You know, I get it. There. It is a formula

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Speaker 1: But in giving value to her being a cheerleader, does

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Speaker 1: Yes, this young lady is absolutely valuable. To make sure

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