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Speaker 1: Now your hosts, Jesse Holly, Kurt Daniels, and Nate Newton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday. You know what that means, right, guys,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you, let me say something. Let's say something.

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Speaker 1: Let's say. That's all I got from the voices you're

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Speaker 1: hearing behind me. Well, this is Kurt Daniels. We are

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Speaker 1: hanging with the boys to some degree. I'm sitting here

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Speaker 1: in the big boy chair because we're doing another mix

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Speaker 1: and match day. Got Isaiah standback on one side. Glad

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Speaker 1: and also nikod night Nick, good night. How are you

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Speaker 1: guys doing today? Good man? Yeah, woke up. That was

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Speaker 1: a good start. Yeah, that always helps. It is a

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Speaker 1: great start. That is that the motto. That's it. You

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Speaker 1: a you're off to a good day after that. It's

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Speaker 1: all on you. N That's true. I mean I cannot

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Speaker 1: men hit by a car. But I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you woke up? Because Isaiah, as you said before

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Speaker 1: we started show, a lot happened yesterday, didn't really happen

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Speaker 1: much around here. Yeah, a lot happened when there was

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Speaker 1: There nothing nothing about the Dallas Cowboys should have been

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Speaker 1: the news in that regard. I know there was some

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Speaker 1: and that extra push to go down, to go down

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Speaker 1: the stretch like so many other teams seemingly are right now.

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Speaker 1: And I think this one this year feels more. It

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Speaker 1: feels more like teams are really going after it. After

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Speaker 1: planning for the future that never comes. It's not a

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Speaker 1: Now I was kidding they your ball that year? Nice?

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Speaker 1: All right, quick question I wanted to bring up for you.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we need to get too much

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Speaker 1: into I feel like this is a subject for maybe

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Speaker 1: later down the road. But since you brought up Tyrn Smith,

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Speaker 1: at first, we were here and he'd be lucky if

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Speaker 1: he'd be back by the end of the season. Now

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Speaker 1: her Aaron, it could be three or four weeks. And

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Speaker 1: coming off our recent Dak experience where he was gonna

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Speaker 1: be back in a couple of weeks. Is this just

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Speaker 1: all smoke or is this really gonna Should we believe

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Speaker 1: anything that's being said? Yeah, Yeah, I think he looks

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Speaker 1: pretty good. I've seen him a couple of times. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he. I saw him about three weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: just doing a little movement, and I thought, in a

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Speaker 1: month like that's gonna look a lot better, and then

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Speaker 1: in six to eight weeks that's I mean, that's gonna

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Speaker 1: look like playing football, you know. And so I think

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Speaker 1: you look skeptical over there. I haven't seen him. I've

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Speaker 1: seen I've seen him in passing