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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental Wealth podcast

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Speaker 1: build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth Podcast with Jay Laser. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jay Glazer. I'm proud to be joints. So Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: is behind us, but obviously officiating is always a big

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Speaker 2: topic and for that I want to bring on my

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Speaker 2: teammate at the NFL on Fox former head of officiating

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Speaker 2: for the NFL team Bland.

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Speaker 3: You know, how are we doing, buddy?

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Speaker 4: I'm good man, I'm good dude.

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Speaker 2: How happy are you that you're able to come off

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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl and not be screamed at by coaches

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Speaker 2: and fans and you know, only by our producers, which

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Speaker 2: is way better than coaches and fans.

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Speaker 4: Let me tell you the people at Fox Sports, the producers,

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Speaker 4: the executives, They've got nothing on NFL head coaches. Let

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Speaker 4: me say, I love working at Fox and one of

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Speaker 4: the biggest things I love is not dealing with angry coaches.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah. Let me ask you this. When you're leading

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Speaker 3: up to a Super Bowl, does everything get tighter in the.

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Speaker 2: League office or you know, like, how is it leading

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Speaker 3: What happens where the league office.

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Speaker 2: There's so much attention obviously that happens in officiating in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs. Is it just it's just another week or

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Speaker 2: it gets tired out of the approach things.

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Speaker 4: No, it definitely ramps up. When you think about regular season.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you've got two hundred and seventy two regular

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Speaker 4: season games and they're all kind of happening on their own.

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Speaker 4: The league office is monitoring everything the different areas. But

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Speaker 4: when you get into the playoffs, now there's one game

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Speaker 4: at a time, there's there's obviously more people watching and

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Speaker 4: there's more focus from the league office. You think about

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Speaker 4: the NFC and AFC championship games, the league really runs

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Speaker 4: those two games, and then obviously the Super Bowl. So

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Speaker 4: a regular NFL game, regular regular season, you might have,

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Speaker 4: Championship games, super Bowl you've got one hundreds. So it

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Speaker 4: ramps up, and obviously scrutiny, the pressure, everything is more intense.

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Speaker 2: Take me through just what they do with the officials,

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Speaker 2: like the week, that goes into what you guys would

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Speaker 3: Take me through Monday's or Sundays, Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Sure, so the crew gets notified actually right right before

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Speaker 4: the divisional games, so actually right after the divisional round game,

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Speaker 4: so the crew knows that that Monday, that Tuesday they

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Speaker 4: the crew will get in Wednesday or Thursday of the

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Speaker 4: not ten days out, So you try to keep it

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Speaker 4: from that. They'll come in Wednesday or Thursday. Thursday night

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Speaker 4: because just like the players and the coaches, this for

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Speaker 4: a lot of these officials, this is a dream come true.

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Speaker 4: If it's their first super Bowl, this is what they've

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Speaker 4: make so many sacrifices in this industry, right to celebrate

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Speaker 4: with those people that have sacrificed so much. Right, you

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Speaker 4: miss birthdays, you miss graduations, you miss all of these

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Speaker 4: They practice the coin toss. People don't realize how much

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Speaker 3: How much extra do they get if they get chosen

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Speaker 4: Well, they get there's a there's a postseason fee that

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Speaker 4: Any official that meets the performance standard, which is set

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Speaker 4: So they get a postseason bonus and it's split amongst

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Speaker 4: all the officials that qualify. So that's a pretty pretty

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Speaker 4: good number. It could be up to about thirty grand

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Speaker 4: when you get to that level, it's not about the money.

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Speaker 4: It's about the experience and the opportunity to say, hey,

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Speaker 4: I worked at the highest level.

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Speaker 2: Traviswede have a Mental wealth podcast you just call mental health.

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Speaker 2: Do you have officials come to you in the past

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Speaker 4: It is no question. We really you know when I

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Speaker 4: So you think about just in general, what we what

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Speaker 4: what's happening. And officials, I mean, I've seen officials that

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Speaker 4: it's a big game, and they their world crumbles. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you go back the official who you go back to

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety eight at Seahawks fourth down, viny Testaverdi ruled

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Speaker 4: the entire coaching staff gets fired. That official who made

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Speaker 4: that call went into such a deep depression that the

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Speaker 4: entire community, the officiating community, the family had to help

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Speaker 4: him get out of that. And so you see that.

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Speaker 4: And officiating is interesting because it's a negative environment. Nobody

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Speaker 4: is there's no pats on the back. People understand that

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Speaker 4: when they get into it. But it's not like referees

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Speaker 4: that's something we've really strived in recent years to say

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Speaker 4: we have to provide our officials resources, mental health, mental

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Speaker 3: Wow. Interesting, I remember.

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Speaker 2: Look, you know, I've been friends for a long time,

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Speaker 2: so much so that by the way, just people know

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Speaker 2: I broke the spy GI video and I kind of

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Speaker 2: pinned it on Dean and Mike Pereira. Yeah man, yeah,

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Speaker 2: which which you know, Look, I gotta leave bread crumbs

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Speaker 2: and people still think you're the one that gave it

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Speaker 2: to me, so I you know, whenever we go out drinking,

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Speaker 2: I try and him and I got to sign you

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Speaker 2: and then Mike, poor Mike just crumbled and ironically both

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Speaker 4: Bread from curse on this. I can go asshole becauseole.

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Speaker 2: But I even told the commissioner listen, please don't do

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Speaker 2: there's gonna be so many people were hurt, and unfortunately

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Speaker 2: Hu and Perrera are the easiest want to leave bread

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Speaker 2: the two that they like focused it on because Pereira

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Speaker 2: just when they brought him in, it was like they

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Speaker 3: He just crumbled and he just fucked up.

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Speaker 2: By the way, neither one of these guys give me

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Speaker 2: But being friends with over the years, the last couple

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Speaker 2: what I mean is last couple when you were still

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Speaker 2: a conversation with you at dinner because these coaches hit

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Speaker 3: Bitch at you and it didn't stop.

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Speaker 2: And it was like, detan be present here, And You're like,

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Speaker 2: I can't, Like it doesn't stop now?

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Speaker 3: And I think that more.

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Speaker 2: You know, we are so much closer because of social

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Speaker 2: has an opinion. Back in the day, there's three insiders, right,

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Speaker 3: You know it was it.

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Speaker 2: Now there's a billion, right, and there's everybody has a voice. Sure, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just saw a decided market. And it's just like,

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you got out of that to come to Fox,

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Speaker 2: which was a much better existence. But I saw a

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Speaker 2: and I would tell you about it, like, dude, these guys,

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Speaker 3: You're like, I can't.

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Speaker 4: It was no question, and look, I'll be honest, everything

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Speaker 4: I grew up in the NFL. It was my first

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Speaker 4: the people, the league office. But I got to the

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Speaker 4: but it was so all encompassing. Like you said, there's

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Speaker 4: no there's no time off. It's twenty four to seven, coach,

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Speaker 4: They're grinding right, They're working eighteen nineteen hour days, so

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Speaker 4: I've got to be available. But the problem and the

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Speaker 4: you know, everything. And I always felt like if a

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Speaker 4: or at their own waiting for me to respond. That's

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Speaker 4: that's the sense of urgency I put on it. And

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Speaker 4: choices that I made was, Okay, I want a better

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Speaker 4: It was life changing and it really affected everything from

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Speaker 3: What are they calling you beat on Wednesday night?

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Speaker 4: Though? Looking at film, Hey we're playing the Chiefs on

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Speaker 4: And I really liked the guy. But one time, I,

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Speaker 4: I think there's a disconnect between how we see the

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Speaker 2: And it's just too much like there was a time

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Speaker 4: Like no question, no question, And and and look when

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Speaker 4: it was controversial, and then and then everybody moved on that.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where I think the effificiating problem

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Speaker 4: And they weren't.

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Speaker 2: It was great, And I just think that should be

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Speaker 4: There's no question that for for people most people watching

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Speaker 2: So here's my suggestion, Roger Guell straight out ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: And see those.

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Speaker 2: Coaches ain't gonna fucking wear out an Avy seal who

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Speaker 2: The point is they're not gonna be as app they're

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Speaker 4: what you've done with with with merging and all the

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00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 4: things that I think we do have more people that

437
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,120
Speaker 4: are getting involved from from the military into sports, whether

438
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 4: it's officiating or other other areas. So I think that's

439
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 4: that's definitely something we need to explore.

440
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 3: So Diana and I we got to tell you guys

441
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 3: how we met. I got he said it.

442
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 4: First off, let me tell you Jay's I didn't know.

443
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 4: I didn't know Jay.

444
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 3: I met Jay.

445
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 4: But Jay, if you and I just want everybody to know,

446
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 4: Jay gives off this persona and look, we're both we're

447
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 4: both Northeast guys. Jersey and New York. I'm Long Island.

448
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 4: He's Jersey, so so he gives off that kind of

449
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 4: Jersey Long Island douchebag vibe. Sometimes I say that in

450
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 4: a loving way, but you are not that at all

451
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 4: at all. But initially I was like, who is this

452
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 4: guy that's coming in and he was going to do

453
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 4: a story, but gad you could take off from Yeah.

454
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 3: So I was coming in. Well, I definitely I got

455
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 3: the Jersey New York attitude, that take can oatitude.

456
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 2: Of course I love a glasshole, right, yeah, with a

457
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 2: big heart, so I think that the big heart and

458
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 2: people didn't realize.

459
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: But I also look my mental health.

460
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 2: I created this character so people wouldn't really know me

461
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,360
Speaker 2: because I didn't feel worthy.

462
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 3: Of the real Jay Glazer, like I didn't thing anybody

463
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,120
Speaker 3: like him, So I created the glaze.

464
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: You know, this fighting joke, drinking, cursing, it's not too

465
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 2: far from who I am. But it's also I I

466
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 2: definitely inflated.

467
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 4: It's a version. It'sion, But I hid the heart I

468
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 4: say over the years, right and now I leave with

469
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 4: my heart.

470
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: But one of the things I always do though, and

471
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 2: I write my book too. One of the biggest things

472
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 2: I do for my darkness, my gray is laughter. So

473
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: I'm probably the biggest practical joker in the league, right

474
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 2: But whether it's a Fox or even the league, like

475
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 2: I do the craziest shit to people, and like I

476
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 2: sent out a text message to a whole league one year,

477
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: and I think I even said in the commissioner, Hey dude,

478
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 2: some shit just went down. Your name came up, my

479
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 2: phone's about to die. Call at this number at the

480
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: hotel and when you called it, it was the sex

481
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: chat line for like five ninety nine minutes.

482
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's perfect I had.

483
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 3: I had people called for their I never forgot Mike,

484
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 3: Tomlin and Bro. I called my team phonus and not

485
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: my problem click Rex Ryan too, Like fuck, it was

486
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 3: like all he's got straying.

487
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 4: Rex may have been calling that line.

488
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah it was called anyway people, but some I forget

489
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 2: who the coach was, and it was Rex that he

490
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: heard the music and stuff from this porn line and

491
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: he thought I was in a club.

492
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: Okay, stayed on in Jay Jay. So it's racking up

493
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 3: the minutes, you know.

494
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 4: And anyway, real real quick on Rex, he sent me

495
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 4: the greatest text message any coach has ever sent me

496
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 4: it was he was with it. I forget it was

497
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 4: fourteen or fifteen. He was still with the Jets. Week one,

498
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 4: they lose and they get called for like twenty five fouls,

499
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 4: and he texts me after the game. He says, Hey,

500
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 4: if we're gonna get fucked like that again next week,

501
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 4: let me know and I'll bring the lube. I mean that.

502
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 4: I'm in the text like, oh yeah, all right, coach.

503
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the greatest of his greatest character.

504
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: So I play a lot of jokes. And I was

505
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: at CBS at the time I came into it. This

506
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 2: is ninety two thousand one or something.

507
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 4: What did you get it? It was early two thousands.

508
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: Yea, right, So sett along those lives and I come

509
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: in to do a story for CBS sports Line Dot

510
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: Common Inside Store of what happens in the fisherating department.

511
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: So I come and I do this great story. But

512
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: at first I wrote a fake story. And I had

513
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: this story about how these guys gamble and they have

514
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 2: Fantasy Football League, and you know this that they'll find

515
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: guys like and I have quoting guys.

516
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 3: You know what was your quote like?

517
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: Because you were in charge of finds like, yeah, sure,

518
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes personal feelings come into whether we find a guy

519
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 2: who figures Anthony dor Set right, Anthony door set.

520
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 3: Sometimes we'll find him, but sometimes we won't find him.

521
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: Because we liked his dad, because we like to this

522
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: guy over here is a dick, and so we'll find

523
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 2: him fifteen rats, and you know, all these things like oh,

524
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: you have a fantasy football league, so sure we'll we'll

525
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: look the other way of guys on our team, you know.

526
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: And greg Iello, who's the former head of PR for

527
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 3: the league, he's in on it with me.

528
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: He comes in and you tell him right, he threw

529
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: like ten copies and all of the right and said

530
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: what he said, I let this guy in and this, yeah.

531
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 4: This is what we Yeah, this is what and and

532
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 4: people start looking at and Jay wrote this fake story

533
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 4: about all this stuff, and it was literally Lord of

534
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 4: the Flies, you know, people turning on each other.

535
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: Like immediately like keep going there like I didn't say this.

536
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 4: I didn't say that. Yes you did, I say, And

537
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 4: I'm just sitting back and I'm looking at Jay. I'm

538
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 4: like this motherfucker, I went there at that point, you

539
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 4: tell me to like you were the only one, Like yeah,

540
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 4: I was like, guys, wait, this is not real, Like

541
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 4: why you like? Literally, they just turned on each other

542
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 4: and I was like, this is ridiculous, Like I heard you.

543
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: Say this right, They're like no, I didn't like and

544
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 2: Pereira always had a heart attack that day.

545
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

546
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, of no doubt.

547
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 4: He crumbled like a house of cars.

548
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: That was my By the way, I used to do

549
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: this to a lot of coaches and gms. I'd write

550
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: fake articles. Yeah it would look perfect, right, and I

551
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: would send it over and just guys would oh they

552
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: would collapse and yeah there was Yeah. I did this

553
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 2: several times and man, I had it down to science

554
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: when I could figure out how to photoshop.

555
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been friends ever since. You know, could have

556
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 4: went one, could have went one of two ways.

557
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm gonna ask you this question. I

558
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 3: asked all my guests.

559
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: Give me the one moment in your life could have

560
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: been anything to your unbreakable moment, could have broken you

561
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: shouldn't and didn't.

562
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: As a result, you came through the other side of

563
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: that tunnel stronger forever.

564
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 4: That's a good question. So couple come to mind. But

565
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 4: there was one. There was one time, and it was

566
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 4: right around two thousand and eight, and I was at

567
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 4: the I was at the league. And for me, you

568
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 4: know my background, I never officiated on the field. I didn't,

569
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: I didn't come up. I'm very unique in that background.

570
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 4: I started as an intern. I just I was lucky

571
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 4: enough to get an internship at the NFL officiating had

572
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 4: an opportunity and I took it. So I never officiated

573
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 4: on the field. And I was basically told, not officially,

574
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 4: but told, hey, listen, you'll never be the head of

575
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 4: the department. You just you never officiate on the field.

576
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 4: It's a glass ceiling. You'll never do it. And I

577
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: was struggling. I was struggling with it. I didn't know

578
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: where my career was going to go. And sitting there

579
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight, I was married, didn't have

580
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 4: kids yet. I was struggling a little with my relationship

581
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 4: and everything else, and it was really getting me to

582
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 4: the point where I just was lost. And in the

583
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 4: league had at that point had offered an enhanced severance

584
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 4: package for people that were there, you know, more than

585
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: more than ten years. And I was and I was like,

586
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 4: am I going to leave the NFL? Am? I going

587
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 4: to leave this? This company the people would bend over

588
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 4: backwards to work for. And I didn't know what I

589
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 4: was going to do, but I knew that I was

590
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 4: I knew that I had the potential to run that

591
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 4: department and I and I took a chance, and I left.

592
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 4: And I remember sitting in my office when this thing

593
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 4: came across, reading this email, and I was like, and

594
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 4: I struggled with it and left, started my own company,

595
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: moved from New York to California, had my first son,

596
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 4: and who's you know, you know how that goes incredible

597
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 4: and credible, and then the league hired me back in

598
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 4: twenty twelve, and I became the head of the department

599
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 4: in twenty thirteen. So I don't know what if I,

600
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: if I didn't go down that road, where would I

601
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 4: be today? And I always think about that. Had I

602
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 4: just kind of succumbed and and kind of said, you

603
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 4: know what, felt sorry for myself, where would I have

604
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: ended up? And I have no idea. I don't know.

605
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 4: You gut on yourself. The show was slave without me? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

606
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 4: And I just bet on myself. But believe me, I

607
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 4: wasn't I wasn't a noble and I struggled with I

608
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 4: really didn't. I said, you know, I could probably stay

609
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: here like this and and it would be okay, But

610
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 4: I got to take that chance.

611
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: It was.

612
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: It was the scariest thing that I've ever done. Really,

613
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 4: it really was from from that standpoint and uh and

614
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 4: and it worked out, thankfully.

615
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: Brother. I appreciate you, man. I look, I apologize for

616
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: playing that joke on you back then. I apologize for

617
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: pinning spygate on you and Pereira. No, I actually don't

618
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: apologize for either one. I appreciate you joining me here

619
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 4: All right, man, Love you, Love you, buddy.