WEBVTT - First Place Losers: Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Solid Verbo. I'm that for me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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<v Speaker 1>for Dake Edith Steak.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that whoo whoom? And now Dan and Tie, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Solid Purple Boys and Girls. My name

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<v Speaker 2>is Ty hilden Brandt, joining me from away, still way

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<v Speaker 2>over there in southern California.

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<v Speaker 1>The one and only Dan Rubinstein, Sir, how are you? Ty?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm terrific And I like painting pictures for not just you,

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<v Speaker 1>but for everybody listening, because this is not a visual medium,

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<v Speaker 1>so I have to do so with my words. And

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<v Speaker 1>as I record this in the makeshift clofice, which is

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<v Speaker 1>an actual closet, not a walk in closet like I

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<v Speaker 1>have back East. But as I record this in the

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<v Speaker 1>makeshift clo office, there is a bar from which clothes

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<v Speaker 1>normally hang, and I use it to brace myself just

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<v Speaker 1>so I have balance as I record, because the microphone

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<v Speaker 1>is on top of a dresser, and I have some

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<v Speaker 1>pillows strewn around here to sort of calm everything down

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<v Speaker 1>sound wise. But I hold on to this because the

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<v Speaker 1>takes that I am about to put forth into the

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<v Speaker 1>college football universe about mid Aught's very good teams. Tye,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to launch myself backwards. I'm just ready

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<v Speaker 1>to roll.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds a little bit like you're going over the

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<v Speaker 2>top style. You've seen that movie with Sliced alone, right,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, he has the little contraption in the big

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<v Speaker 2>rig with him as he's going and he just works

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<v Speaker 2>out with that right arm the whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>Ty I'm not touching that in the way that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people are going to be saying, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>she said. But I'm just going to tell you you're

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<v Speaker 1>not wrong. You are absolutely not wrong. And I came

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<v Speaker 1>up with the concept for this show a mirror twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as is not something we've blocked ideas on the

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<v Speaker 2>soliverbl This came up.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night, I believe. But there is something about re

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<v Speaker 1>educating oneself through reading, watching tape and thinking things over

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<v Speaker 1>with a twenty twenty brain as you watch mid Ots

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<v Speaker 1>college football that I think is illuminating. I think it's refreshing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think gives gives it least me. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>speak for you a new perspective. As we start our

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<v Speaker 1>three part first place Losers series first place Losers.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to get into that in a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan can explain exactly what this concept entails. But hello

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<v Speaker 2>on ty, He's Dan. We are the solid verbal. We're

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<v Speaker 2>a year round college football podcast. We still don't know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly when we're gonna get or if we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>college football in twenty twenty. We are certainly hoping for that, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, we shall see though. In the meantime, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much for joining us. We will be with

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<v Speaker 2>you all off season long, for however long that off

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<v Speaker 2>season lasts.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it is probably the worst way to categorize it.

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<v Speaker 2>But Dan and I'd just like to connect up and

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<v Speaker 2>certainly another avenue for you to pursue.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan, it absolutely is. I'm ready to get into first

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<v Speaker 1>place losers, are you?

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<v Speaker 2>So explain this to me again? So I am clear

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<v Speaker 2>being so I am one half of this show.

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<v Speaker 1>So there is the of course, people know that second

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<v Speaker 1>place is just first place loser, right, that the second

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<v Speaker 1>place is never going to be good enough. You should

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<v Speaker 1>never be proud of a silver medal. Almost receiving the

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<v Speaker 1>bronze is there's somewhat more dignity than having the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to win gold and coming up just shorts. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to before we actually started doing the

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<v Speaker 1>solid verbal, but not too far back. So we are

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<v Speaker 1>starting with the two thousand and five season, so it

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<v Speaker 1>would be the two thousand and six National championship. So

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<v Speaker 1>we have second place teams of the last fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>We're doing the first five years today and the goal

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<v Speaker 1>is to both honor and see how close that first

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<v Speaker 1>place loser came to just finishing the season in first place,

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<v Speaker 1>because the champions, they're the ones that get the parades,

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<v Speaker 1>they're the ones that get the DVDs, they're the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that get honored at halftime of various games, and that

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<v Speaker 1>they're the immortal ones. And so Just Short of Immortality

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<v Speaker 1>is a may podcast dedicated dedicated to your success, which

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<v Speaker 1>I believe as somebody who is arguably the most experienced

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<v Speaker 1>first place loser in rooting for the Oregon Ducks, who

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<v Speaker 1>have lost two national championships in the last fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 1>You've watched your team lose one national championship and it

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<v Speaker 1>should be noted one playoff game in spectacular fashion. Correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this is squarely within our wheelhouse to

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<v Speaker 1>honor teams who either came up just short or well

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<v Speaker 1>short when given the opportunity to win the national championship

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<v Speaker 1>and sort of talk about the context, talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>season at large, and just how close they actually came

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<v Speaker 1>to winning, because, as you know as a Notre Dame fan,

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<v Speaker 1>the heartbreaking losses stay with you longer than the wonderful wins. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's right. You're a competitive guy a little bit, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you could say that. I think that's fair. No, that

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<v Speaker 2>that that kick, the Boston College kick still haunts me.

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<v Speaker 1>I talked about it previously on one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of our shows, but that that still haunts me, that kick,

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, i'd imagine if you're an Alabama fan listening,

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<v Speaker 2>the kick six is something that resonates still in a

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<v Speaker 2>very emotional fashion. Fans of all teams kind of find

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<v Speaker 2>themselves in that category and first place losers, I think

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<v Speaker 2>gets to that a little bit. Some of the games

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<v Speaker 2>that I think we're going to go through certainly have

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<v Speaker 2>that that heartbreaking ending for some fan bases.

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<v Speaker 1>Others do not.

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<v Speaker 2>Others do not have that at all. So we'll really

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<v Speaker 2>run the gamut here on some of these teams that

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<v Speaker 2>essentially finished second place, how their season ended, and in

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<v Speaker 2>what fashion it did that that left them kind of

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<v Speaker 2>on the outside looking in, not holding that trophy on

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<v Speaker 2>the podium with one Bill Hancock. But we can get

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<v Speaker 2>into that here. What what is the what is the

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<v Speaker 2>structure of this? So we're starting with the two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and five regular season in USC.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we're starting with two thousand and five USC. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna labor two thousand and five USC too

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<v Speaker 1>much because we actually did just talk about them with

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<v Speaker 1>Yogi Roth looking back at the put the Bush push game.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna look back at why they got to

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<v Speaker 1>the championship game, like what got them there and then

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<v Speaker 1>why they lost and could they have won those I

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<v Speaker 1>think those are the three pillows, pillows, pillars or pillows

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<v Speaker 1>that you can rest your head on for each of

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<v Speaker 1>these teams. And I'm going to go through this really quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>With two thousand and five USC, you know, Pete Carroll

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<v Speaker 1>was the head coach and the defensive coordinator Lane Kiffin

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<v Speaker 1>was running the offense. They have the close game against

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<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame, they have the comeback against ASU. They run

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<v Speaker 1>through the Pac ten otherwise they you know, they murder

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon and UCLA and everybody knows it's Matt Lioner, Reggie Bush,

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<v Speaker 1>Lendel White. They end up against Texas. The defense, this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that was at least knew again for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know how much you remember about the

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five USC defense, but they didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>stack the depth chart, stock the depth chart whatever. No,

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<v Speaker 1>with no the lud chip talent leading up to the

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<v Speaker 1>Texas game. It was actually the year of the Texas game.

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<v Speaker 1>Two thousand and five. There were freshmen that came in

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<v Speaker 1>that were pretty highly touted on defense. But anybody who watched,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the back end of that USC defense tried to

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<v Speaker 1>tackle Vince Young, knows that this was not an electric,

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<v Speaker 1>hard hitting, fundamentally sound, open field tackling team.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it wasn't, and you know that's been a thing

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<v Speaker 2>for USC for quite some time, to be honest. But this, again,

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<v Speaker 2>just to provide some context, was a very good USC team. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>they made the Rose Bowl. This was the season that

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<v Speaker 2>led up to that famed two thousand and six Rose

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl game that they lost to Texas and Vince Young

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<v Speaker 2>forty one to thirty eight, one of the greatest games

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<v Speaker 2>ever played by many accounts. But let me ask you this,

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<v Speaker 2>what was what was USC's official.

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<v Speaker 1>Record in the five six season. Do you know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the librarian in you is probably going to say, like,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the sanctions dictate the record was, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>twelve and oh during the regular season, twelve and one.

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<v Speaker 2>Overall, the official record books, I believe classify it as

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<v Speaker 2>oh and oh, oh and o oh and oh because

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<v Speaker 2>of the vacation of wins. Now, there is some debate

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<v Speaker 2>over whether or not the loss still counts, so depending

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<v Speaker 2>on your perspective, it's either O and O or OH

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<v Speaker 2>to one. But that was one of the seasons that

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<v Speaker 2>was supposedly wiped out due to the NCAA swooping in

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<v Speaker 2>being the White Knights that they are and cracking down

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<v Speaker 2>after the Reggie Bush stuff. So lo and behold we

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<v Speaker 2>get to the Rose Bowl. You know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff is is a formality, an administrative type stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but one of the greatest games I've ever seen played.

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<v Speaker 2>As you said, we talked about this USC team in

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<v Speaker 2>a previous show, being so we recapped the Bush push.

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<v Speaker 2>The talent on this team, though from an offensive standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty incredible, And again we won't replay the show

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<v Speaker 2>that we did before, but there was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>firepower on this offense, Matt Lioner. We had Reggie Bush,

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<v Speaker 2>we had Lendale White, We had a really good receiving corps.

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<v Speaker 2>Specifically with this game though, this National Championship game. You

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned it to me last night, and I did have

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to go back and scrub through it again today.

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<v Speaker 2>They had so many chances to win this damn game.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's going to go down in history as

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing individual effort by Vince Young, a record setting performance,

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<v Speaker 2>but even he gave USC a bunch of chances to

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<v Speaker 2>win this game and they could not take advantage of it.

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<v Speaker 2>USC in two thousand and five is going to go

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<v Speaker 2>down as one of the better teams, certainly in this

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<v Speaker 2>generation of college football. Unfortunately for them second place. They

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<v Speaker 2>lost to Texas in this game, but they did have

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<v Speaker 2>their chances.

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<v Speaker 1>Should point out they were the defending national champion and

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<v Speaker 1>USC and Texas went wire to wire as one and

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<v Speaker 1>two before flipping at two becomes one and one becomes

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<v Speaker 1>two once Texas wins this game, And obviously the answer is, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>USC had many chances to put away this game, but

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<v Speaker 1>great teams closed ty and that's what Texas was. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what Vince Young was a great closer. But here's what

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<v Speaker 1>struck me watching back this game, because we all just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of remember Vince Young running into the corner of

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<v Speaker 1>the end zone and the confetti and everything like that. Again, rightfully,

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<v Speaker 1>so as superhuman effort, Texas does zero in the first quarter.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty they come out sloppy and undisciplined. They probably would

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<v Speaker 1>have lost one of their starting safeties to targeting if

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<v Speaker 1>it were twenty twenty. It wasn't even like a close

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<v Speaker 1>was he He tried to decapitate a full back Cedric

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<v Speaker 1>Griffin did on a wheel route and almost did. Also

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<v Speaker 1>three Texas fumbles in the first seventeen minutes and then

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<v Speaker 1>not including but then another one in the fourth quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>so amazing fumble luck, which great, great, it's good to

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<v Speaker 1>have fumble luck. Vince Young does not get called down

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<v Speaker 1>at the USC ten yard line before he pitches it

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<v Speaker 1>for a Texas touchdown for them to go up I

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<v Speaker 1>believe nine to seven early and there's a play that

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<v Speaker 1>I had completely forgotten about. USC's up twelve with five

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<v Speaker 1>and a half or so minutes left. Vince Young rolls

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<v Speaker 1>out to the left, is in the midst of being sacked,

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<v Speaker 1>throws the ball away from his body like thirty yards

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<v Speaker 1>across the field, straight up into double coverage, and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the I think was one of the Ting brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of coming down with the game sealing interception, simply

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<v Speaker 1>swatted it away and Vince Young a couple of plays later,

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<v Speaker 1>I think ninety seconds later, runs it in to cut

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<v Speaker 1>it to a one score game. That would have iced

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<v Speaker 1>the game. So from I don't know if we're using

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<v Speaker 1>a scale of one to ten or one to two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and two Miami, whatever we want to call it.

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<v Speaker 1>USC one thousand percent had the chance to win this game,

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<v Speaker 1>which I assume makes things all the more painful.

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<v Speaker 2>So what I think would be fun to do is,

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<v Speaker 2>as we're going through, maybe like war style, we can

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<v Speaker 2>compare two thousand and five USC to our next team,

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<v Speaker 2>which would be two thousand and six Ohio State. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>I like this, you know, like which team's like? I

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<v Speaker 2>think I already know which team's better. But we can

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<v Speaker 2>get into two thousand and six US or two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and six Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me if you're ready for that. If you're okay

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<v Speaker 1>with that, I am ready for that. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>comparison is not terribly difficult. We have two Heisman quarterbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>Troy Smith for Ohio State and Matt Lionert wins it

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of years before, and only one of the

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<v Speaker 1>teams beats Texas on their way to the national championship

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<v Speaker 1>at least appearance, and is not USC, but rather Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 1>They beat Texas twenty four to seven early on in

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<v Speaker 1>the season. They of course have that tight, tight shootout

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<v Speaker 1>against Michigan forty two to thirty nine. That left some people,

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<v Speaker 1>because they were one and two in the country, saying,

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<v Speaker 1>should there be a rematch in the National Championship Game.

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<v Speaker 1>The answer is no, Ty, The answer is no. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember about two thousand and six Ohio State

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<v Speaker 1>if anything, because I have some notes?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so, first off, again context, this is an Ohio

0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.240
<v Speaker 2>State team that finished twelve to one after the season.

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<v Speaker 2>They got smoked by Florida in the BCS game forty

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<v Speaker 2>one to fourteen. But what's what's important to note about

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio State is that this was right when the program

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<v Speaker 2>was hitting critical mass and firing up the engines that

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<v Speaker 2>are in effect still running fifteen years later. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they won the two thousand and three Fiesta Bowl. They

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<v Speaker 2>knocked off Miami. We talked about that game previously. They

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<v Speaker 2>had a really good run in between then and where

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<v Speaker 2>we're at now, which is when they got back to

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<v Speaker 2>the BCS Championship game. This was the number one team

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<v Speaker 2>in the country all year long until they lost that

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<v Speaker 2>BCS game, and they had a really good defense that

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of a hallmark of this era of Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not quite as good as they were the following year,

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<v Speaker 2>which we'll get into, but a really good defense that

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<v Speaker 2>had high level talent. Vernon Golston got drafted, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say sixth overall maybe by the Jets.

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<v Speaker 2>Along the couple of years, yeah, along that defensive front,

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<v Speaker 2>James Laura Nidis who of course had a really good year,

0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Malcolm Jenkins who went on to have a really good

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<v Speaker 2>NFL career. Troy Smith, you mentioned, won the Heisman in

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<v Speaker 2>the school, seventh Heisman Trophy winner. So there were some

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<v Speaker 2>headliners on this team, and I just remember the one

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<v Speaker 2>prevailing thought I had, thinking back and certainly living through

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<v Speaker 2>the era, was I always had a hard time trying

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<v Speaker 2>to project Troy Smith forward, you know, like, is this

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<v Speaker 2>guy going to actually play in the NFL. I always

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<v Speaker 2>had a hard time with that, especially with quarterbacks that

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<v Speaker 2>won the Heisman Trophy because a lot of them, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, don't pan out. But Troy Smith, to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it just I don't know why he gave me a

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<v Speaker 2>hard time trying to figure that out. I've obviously he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't pan out as a long lasting NFL quantity. Certainly

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<v Speaker 2>in the college ranks though, and within that system he

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<v Speaker 2>was very good. And Ohio State went on to build

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<v Speaker 2>on its success the next season, the year after the

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<v Speaker 2>year after all the way up to where we're at today.

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<v Speaker 2>So these were kind of the early workings of this

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<v Speaker 2>juggernaut that has become the Ohio State Buckeyes.

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<v Speaker 1>So Troy Smith is a very fun watch. Not as

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<v Speaker 1>much of a dual threat as he was the year before.

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<v Speaker 1>He runs a lot more in two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know if that's cut back in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six because of wanting to prove himself un

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<v Speaker 1>center more because it wasn't a full spread Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 1>Did they spread the field. They had good receivers led

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<v Speaker 1>by Ted Ginn and also worth remembering, I think Troy

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<v Speaker 1>Smith was very foolishly. It was suspended over like accepting

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred dollars the year before and sat out a game.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was their bowl game, but I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I should have done more research into something that silly.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's Jim Bowman, who is not a spread offensive

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<v Speaker 1>coordinator running the offense for Ohio State. And you're right,

0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.920
<v Speaker 1>it is the defense that is that is leading the way.

0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.600
<v Speaker 1>But Troy Smith is awesome. But if you watch some

0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.600
<v Speaker 1>of their bigger games. It's a lot of quick stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a ton down field. It's not a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of creativity, it's not a ton of you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic look on offense from Ohio State. And that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It worked amazingly well. They run the table at number

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<v Speaker 1>one throughout the regular season, and of course the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Ten doesn't have a championship game until twenty eleven, so

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have to play in that to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>jump that hurdle before the National Championship game. They have

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<v Speaker 1>the close call against Illinois, but it's really more of

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<v Speaker 1>an offensive struggle. The defense was still amazing against the

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<v Speaker 1>Aliini at least this year. We'll get to something about

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<v Speaker 1>Illinois later on about Ohio State, but it was a

0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:21.000
<v Speaker 1>good team ultimately, though. The problem with Ohio State was

0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:25.120
<v Speaker 1>their tackles. They get to the National Championship a game

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<v Speaker 1>against Florida, and mind you and I have the two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and six BCS Ohio State and Michigan in the

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<v Speaker 1>back half of the season. They're one to two from

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<v Speaker 1>Week seven until they play in week twelve. Auburn's up

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<v Speaker 1>there early on, Notre Dames, up there early on, Texas

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<v Speaker 1>early on, until Ohio State beats them, and then as

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<v Speaker 1>we get into the national championship game, Florida edges out

0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:51.919
<v Speaker 1>Michigan thankfully to reach that game. We have LSU Louisville.

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<v Speaker 1>Even later on in the season, Rutgers in Arkansas are

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<v Speaker 1>in the top ten, waiting the top fifteen team. Things

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<v Speaker 1>were weird tie in two thousand and six, but we

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<v Speaker 1>get to this championship game early on in urban meyers

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<v Speaker 1>career against an Ohio State team who had won a

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<v Speaker 1>national championship in two thousand and two but couldn't quite

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<v Speaker 1>get back on that level until so this would be

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<v Speaker 1>early two thousand and seven. But the two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>six season and the offensive tackles. One of them was

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<v Speaker 1>an NFL player for some time, Alex Boone for Ohio State,

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<v Speaker 1>but he kicked inside as a guard once he was

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL. They were beaten mercilessly by Jarvis Moss

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<v Speaker 1>and Derek Harvey, just hounding Troy Smith, who proved himself

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<v Speaker 1>to be And this is a term that I am

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<v Speaker 1>going to try to employ just because I'm stealing it

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<v Speaker 1>from Draymond Green, who talks about it in the context

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<v Speaker 1>of NBA players. A lot of players play well in

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<v Speaker 1>the fall. The best are Winter Wonders. Tie your new thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>This is my new thing, because when we look across

0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.080
<v Speaker 1>these teams in these national championships, it's very clear that

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<v Speaker 1>the team with the Winter Wonders who step up their

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<v Speaker 1>game with all the time off, with the other team

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<v Speaker 1>getting a whole season's worth of film to prepare for

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<v Speaker 1>everything that goes into a national championship game. Ohio State,

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<v Speaker 1>especially on offense, had essentially no Winter Wonders. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>early Beanie Wells in the backfield but not starting. He's

0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:24.480
<v Speaker 1>behind Antonio Pittman and Ted Gin runs back the opening

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<v Speaker 1>kick for a touchdown and tweaks his foot out the

0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:31.159
<v Speaker 1>rest of the game his foot and ankle, and so

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<v Speaker 1>the dudes on this Ohio State offense just don't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>As Troy Smith looked to be a Heisman dude but

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<v Speaker 1>could not make anything. It was just heads or tails.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a rough game, rough game for him. In

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<v Speaker 1>that title game, they were overwhelmed by a Florida defensive

0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:52.320
<v Speaker 1>line that had him on the run. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>completed what four passes the entire game, so it was

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<v Speaker 1>clearly not a Heisman level effort from him.

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<v Speaker 2>And Florida went on to a pretty big victory. Interesting

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<v Speaker 2>side note here for those of you that follow all

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<v Speaker 2>college sports, Florida went on to beat Ohio State in

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<v Speaker 2>the two thousand and seven NCUBA Men's basketball Championship game

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Correct the first time in nc DOUBLEA history

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<v Speaker 2>that the same two schools played for both the football

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<v Speaker 2>and basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>Championships in the same year, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The first time that a school held both the football

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<v Speaker 2>and basketball championships in the same academic and calendar year

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So a little bit of history, a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a random factoy that malely interest tyned in.

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<v Speaker 2>But two thousand and six Ohio State a runner up?

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<v Speaker 2>How do they compare to two thousand and six or

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and five USC?

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<v Speaker 1>In your view? I think USC is stronger, and it's

0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:53.040
<v Speaker 1>mostly because of the sheer number of Winter Wonders and dudes.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree USC offense and as good as the Ohio

0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:01.159
<v Speaker 1>State defense was at a certain point, the speed of

0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.679
<v Speaker 1>Florida and it's a freshman year Percy Harvin and it's

0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:08.119
<v Speaker 1>Chris League, who's fine. Florida is simply just fine overall

0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:12.359
<v Speaker 1>with unblockable defensive ends. That was the clear difference in

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.439
<v Speaker 1>this game. They just did not allow Ohio State to

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<v Speaker 1>do a single thing on offense. And so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>as if this very early Urban Meyer Florida team was

0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:25.400
<v Speaker 1>overwhelming offensively, but the team speed for Florida on offense,

0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:29.200
<v Speaker 1>and then similarly, the team speed between Reggie Bush and whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>Dwayne Jarrett, Dominique Bird, these guys on the USC team,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have them, not just because they were closer

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<v Speaker 1>to Texas. Ohio State was not close to beating Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>not a conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>So that means it's two thousand and five USC against

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<v Speaker 2>our next runner up, two thousand and seven Ohio State.

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:56.919
<v Speaker 2>Ohio State runners up two years consecutively, and two thousand

0:22:56.960 --> 0:23:01.400
<v Speaker 2>and seven as a college football entity, maybe the wackiest

0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:02.440
<v Speaker 2>season we have seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>This was right around the time where you and I

0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 2>were emailing for the first time, right trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what we're going to do, if we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>do a podcast, just kind of getting to know each

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<v Speaker 2>other as friends. Meanwhile, in the college football world, we

0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:23.240
<v Speaker 2>had teams like Cal, like South Florida, Boston College, West Virginia,

0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:27.720
<v Speaker 2>even Kansas, all reaching number two in the AP polls.

0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:31.600
<v Speaker 2>We had teams like Notre Dame, Miami and Nebraska clearly

0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:35.120
<v Speaker 2>not having their best seasons. Combined, those three teams went

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:39.600
<v Speaker 2>a collective thirteen and twenty three, and perhaps the strangest

0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 2>thing of all was the fact that LSU won the

0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:48.280
<v Speaker 2>BCS National Championship with yes, you guessed it, two losses. Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is the easiest case for most interesting year

0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:57.160
<v Speaker 1>of the first place losers we're reviewing, and it's I mean,

0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the case is simple. It's there was chaos this year

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:05.760
<v Speaker 1>and Ohio State was the clear beneficiary. They sort of

0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:09.159
<v Speaker 1>hung around. LSU popped up at the end, But we

0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 1>have that wacky do you know who was slated to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the National Championship as of November twenty fifth

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 1>BCS rankings, West Virginia, West Virginia. As you know, they

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:26.320
<v Speaker 1>lose the backyard Brawl to Pit. I think it's thirteen

0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to nine, but it's Missoo. Missoo's coming off of the

0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 1>win over Kansas. They then get stomped by Oklahoma. I

0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:36.439
<v Speaker 1>figure personally into all of this because I was at

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma's upset loss at Colorado. I watched the South Florida

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<v Speaker 1>Pit upset the night before. I believe it was a

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<v Speaker 1>Friday night. I watched that from a bar in Boulder,

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<v Speaker 1>and that next day was also when Cal upset Oregon

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<v Speaker 1>and there was chaos there and then we finally get

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of the season. In the two thousand

0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 1>and seven season, LSU makes the jump from five to

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 1>two thanks to Ryan PARLOEU not intentionally rhyming there, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy it did. Matt Flynn is out for the

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:10.760
<v Speaker 1>SEC championship game. Ryan Parolou steps in. Is good. LSU

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.399
<v Speaker 1>beats Tennessee. I think Eric Ains throws a couple picks

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:17.200
<v Speaker 1>in the fourth quarter, and Ohio State is the beneficiary

0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 1>of the best defense of their modern era, right. I

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>think it's zero point eighty six points per drive allowed.

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>They hold Michigan from thirty nine the year before to

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:30.879
<v Speaker 1>three in two thousand and seven, So the Ohio State

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:34.240
<v Speaker 1>defense leads the way. They get LSU. And this is

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 1>just a stroke of bad luck in New Orleans, Ty.

0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.440
<v Speaker 1>They get LSU in New Orleans. It looks like it's

0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:42.560
<v Speaker 1>going to be a good game and then it just

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.879
<v Speaker 1>sort of isn't. And that's great for LSU fans, not

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:48.480
<v Speaker 1>so great for Ohio State fans. But what do you

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 1>remember what do you treasure about two thousand and seven itself?

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>For the Buckeyes.

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.960
<v Speaker 2>This was two years in a row again where they

0:25:56.000 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 2>were runners up. And this really was, like I said

0:26:02.440 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 2>in the previous blurb about six Ohio State, this is

0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:10.120
<v Speaker 2>right around the time with this program is getting annoyingly good,

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 2>and they're there, and I say that lovingly, but annoyingly good.

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:17.920
<v Speaker 2>They're in it every year. And I remember Ohio State

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 2>being very good on defense. But I also remember the

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:24.640
<v Speaker 2>fact that Todd Beckman sort of came out of nowhere.

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Was this no name.

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Compared to Troy Smith who had won the Heisman the

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.359
<v Speaker 2>previous year, And it didn't dawn on me until I

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 2>went back and looked and did the research. But he

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 2>was a big kid. He was six' five two forty.

0:26:36.920 --> 0:26:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Three that's a that's a big freakin'. Dude and he

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 2>was fine as. Quarterback you. Know he didn't give them

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.679
<v Speaker 2>much in the way of, athleticism but he got the

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.200
<v Speaker 2>ball where it needed to. Go he was an effective game,

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 2>manager and they had so much talent around him that

0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 2>they were able to piggyback off all that and find

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 2>their way back into THE bcs title. Game SO i

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:01.919
<v Speaker 2>certainly remember What Jim trump soul built in six and

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 2>then built upon in two thousand and. Seven, honestly my

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 2>lasting impression of This Ohio state team might have been

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:12.880
<v Speaker 2>the loss To, illinois BECAUSE i remember at the time

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 2>this is such.

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:15.159
<v Speaker 1>A big deal that they lost To.

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 2>Illinois if it were to happen today in our little,

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:21.960
<v Speaker 2>world that would classify as a let down look Ahead,

0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 2>sandwich because they had come off a win over number Nineteen,

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:30.400
<v Speaker 2>wisconsin they were at home Against illinois where they LOST

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:33.119
<v Speaker 2>i think twenty eight twenty one something like, that and

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 2>then the very next week played Against michigan AND i

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 2>think won something like fourteen to. Three so right in

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 2>between in that real like soft underbelly is Where illinois

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 2>showed up at the, horseshoe knocked them, off gave them

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>their first loss of the, year and through some fortune

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:53.119
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the, way as we, said a crazy,

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.800
<v Speaker 2>year they were able to weasel their way into THAT

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:56.960
<v Speaker 2>bcs title.

0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:00.200
<v Speaker 1>Game, wow weasel their way In Ti damn was a

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:02.440
<v Speaker 1>team that was a number ONE bcs team a good

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:02.919
<v Speaker 1>chunk of this.

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 2>Season most of the season they, were so, YEAH i

0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 2>remember the loss To. Illinois illinois of course went on

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.240
<v Speaker 2>to play in The Rose bowl and get boat raced

0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:16.959
<v Speaker 2>BY usc. Whatever AND i do, remember certainly the controversy

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 2>around them getting in THAT bcs game they did. Lose

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:25.520
<v Speaker 2>it was essentially a home game FOR lsu thirty, eight twenty.

0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Four and this is a game that we talked about

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:31.400
<v Speaker 2>not all that long, ago, right.

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, Absolutely, NOW i mean towards the end of the,

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 1>season obviously mentioning the topsy turvy nature of two thousand

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 1>and seven and having all sorts of teams at number,

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Two Ohio state they just hang, around they. GO i

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>think they start ten and zero before losing To. Illinois

0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>they're replacing a lot on their defensive. Line but THIS

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 1>i mean soft, underbelly a term you like using tie

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 1>The Big ten and Especially Ohio state's non conference. Schedule

0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 1>let's not pretend like they were prepared this year's, team

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 1>especially upfront on, defense for a team as talented AS.

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Lsu this was. Not it was a god Awful minnesota.

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Team by the, way they don't play anybody in the

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>non conference part of the. Schedule this Is Anthony, Morelli Penn.

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:14.520
<v Speaker 1>STATE i know you have your own thoughts about that

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>era of Nine ellyan. Football wisconsin's, fine but they're not

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 1>what they are. Now they were ranked at the time

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>That Ohio state beats. Them So Ohio state replaces i

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:27.480
<v Speaker 1>think three starters up front on the line other Than Vernon,

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 1>golston but they return the linebacking cores in the, secondary

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>so they're in great shape. Defensively Cameron, hayward Who i'm

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>sure a lot of people now know his, name both

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>from His Ohio state career and HIS nfl. Career he's a,

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 1>freshman becomes a Freshman All american and An All Big ten.

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Player he's terrific for them, upfront and so they really

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 1>get to this amazing place. Defensively but with your focus

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 1>On Todd beckman comes the fact that comes with, it

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>the fact that there's No ted Ginn Antonio, pittman who

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 1>was a big, deal big play guy in the backfield

0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>For Ohio. State he's. Gone we Have Beanie, Wells Mo.

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Wells you have Apparently Brian ribiski And Brian hartline are

0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:07.719
<v Speaker 1>two different. PEOPLE i don't know really have the breaking

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>news sound, wow they are in fact two different. People

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.520
<v Speaker 1>And Brian ribisky drops what should have been a touchdown.

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Catch so no fault Of Todd beckman AGAINST Lsu Brian

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>hartline is, fine but if he's your second best, Receiver

0:30:21.560 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>i'm not sure what you're going to be able to

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 1>do against a pretty, good if not really GOOD lsu,

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>defense especially up. Front It's Tyson jackson And Ricky Jean

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:33.959
<v Speaker 1>francois And Glenn. Dorsey so they just they didn't have

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>the horses. Tie they didn't have the winter, wonders AS

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>i like to call. It some guys are good in the.

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Fall you need the guys who are good In january on.

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 1>Offense Ohio, state outside OF i Guess Beanie, wells they

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>just didn't have that. Guy didn't have that guy who

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>was to have that guy at a number of positions

0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:54.640
<v Speaker 1>who was on THAT lsu. Team So ali High smith

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>is in the is in the linebacking. Corps he was obviously.

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Terrific the second was. Fine we're not talking you Know

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Honey badger Or Patrick. Peterson you know the guys that

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:08.800
<v Speaker 1>you know this year Obviously Derek. STINGLEY i don't think

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 1>anybody on that specific talent, level but their, speed there's

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>aggression and When Ohio state is playing a short, game

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>when they're just looking for seven yard outs and they're

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.719
<v Speaker 1>just looking to run the ball between the. Tackles how

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>much do you really need from your secondary if they're

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 1>able to cheat and blitz and crowd the line AND

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>lsu took.

0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Advantage, wow they had trendon holiday on this. Team they

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 2>had on. Offense, Yeah Brandon LaFell, sure early du, SET

0:31:36.120 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 2>i believe early du. Set, Yeah Jacob, hester he got

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 2>what he. Wanted, yeah a lot of these guys went on.

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>The plane in the.

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.200
<v Speaker 2>League BUT i don't know IF i AND i think

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 2>as we saw it crystallize over the next decade or,

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't always clear That elisa how to use

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 2>guys like. That they got the most they could out

0:31:57.440 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Of Jacob, hester but guys Like Brandon lafel and some

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>others obviously in their current system might have profited a

0:32:05.160 --> 0:32:08.239
<v Speaker 2>little bit more on the stats. Side but nonetheless they

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 2>win the national. Championship the final was thirty eight to twenty.

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Four going back to the team by team, deathmatch here

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 2>we've got two thousand and FIVE usc against two thousand

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 2>and Seven Ohio. STATE i still THINK i got to

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 2>go two thousand and FIVE usc.

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Here, YEAH i don't think firepower, Wise Ohio state on

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:33.000
<v Speaker 1>offense has that much to keep. Up even THOUGH i

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 1>think the defense would do a really nice job against

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>USC's more deliberate. Offense i'm going to go with. Quarterback

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 1>i'm going to go, with you, know the game, changer

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>probably the best open field player ever In Reggie. Bush

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 1>so If Jacob hester was able to get his against

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 1>This Ohio state, DEFENSE i Imagine Reggie bush And Lindell

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 1>white would have been. Fine So i'm going to roll

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>WITH usc here And Ohio state just they didn't have

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 1>they didn't put it. Together trestleball was never going to

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 1>be an. Offense it was never going to field an

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>offense that could compete with the speed of some of

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the nation's best Until Urban meyer got rid of trestleball

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and did his own. Thing so we now go to

0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and, eight and this is where for me

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:26.280
<v Speaker 1>it gets. Interesting oh two thousand and eight Is. Oklahoma

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 1>this was a hell of a.

0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Year it was a hell of a year two thousand and. Eight,

0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 2>now we talked a little bit about this era on

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>a previous, show but here is the. Context oklahoma goes

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 2>twelve and one in the two thousand and eight. Season

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 2>they LOST i think forty five thirty five something like

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:49.560
<v Speaker 2>that In Red river shootout To. Texas that's always Mid, october,

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 2>right run the table the rest of the. Way they

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 2>eventually qualify for THE Bcs National championship against The Florida.

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Gators it was interesting on a number of different, fronts

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 2>not the least of which was it obviously being A

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 2>national championship. Game but one of the big other headliners

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 2>here was the fact that it was Two Heisman trophy

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 2>winning quarterbacks going against one. Another this is only the

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 2>second time it had. Happened it happened a few years

0:34:20.520 --> 0:34:25.759
<v Speaker 2>prior With Matt weiner Against Jason, white But Sam bradford

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:30.720
<v Speaker 2>as a red shirt sophomore Against Tim tebow was quite

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:33.480
<v Speaker 2>the top billing. Here it was a hell of a

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 2>year For Sam. Bradford so you'll remember we talked about

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:41.800
<v Speaker 2>The oklahoma game and The National championship With Paul thompson

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 2>and how that was a. Disaster, Well Sam bradford in

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:52.800
<v Speaker 2>that old clip is sort of wandering the, sidelines youthful, looking,

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 2>innocent no idea what he's about to become In Oklahoma.

0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 2>War Sam bradford won the job the next year and

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and eight ends up throwing fifty touchdown.

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Passes and winning The. Heisman feels. Good.

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah the offense At oklahoma was incredibly, dynamic over fifty

0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 2>points a game on. Average they were beating teams by

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 2>about four touchdowns at a pop sixty points or more

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.239
<v Speaker 2>in five straight games to close out the. Year so

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>this is a team that was. Humming they were firing

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 2>on all cylinders going into the. Postseason there was some

0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 2>talent on that. Team there was some real talent on that.

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Team DeMarco, murray who actually was At oklahoma five. YEARS

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:41.240
<v Speaker 2>i didn't realize that UNTIL i went back and, looked

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:42.800
<v Speaker 2>but took a red shirt and then played out his

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:46.839
<v Speaker 2>eligibility in, totality he didn't play in THE bcs game

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 2>because he heard his, hamstring but he was on that.

0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Team Trent williams was on the offensive. Line there's a

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:56.560
<v Speaker 2>whole slew of other folks on the offensive side that

0:35:56.640 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 2>are of interest and certainly household notable names for college football.

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Fans on the defensive, Side oklahoma Was we're not going

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 2>to pretend that this was the shutdown. Defense it was.

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Anything but that, said they were. Fine they were, fine

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.920
<v Speaker 2>and they Had gerald. McCoy joe McCoy went on to

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 2>be a really high draft, pick was An All american

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 2>a couple times. Over it was like a six Time All.

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:24.840
<v Speaker 2>PRO i don't even know if he's still, playing but

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 2>he clearly was a. Dude and it was funny when

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 2>you were watching back parts of this. Game you were

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 2>texting me last night or this morning basically, saying, like,

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Man gerald, McCoy he just couldn't do it, all could?

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 2>He oh, wait he just got an interception off Of

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Tim tebow dropping back into. Coverage, yeah so there were

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Some there were some real dudes on This oklahoma, team

0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 2>and you, know we could talk about the dudes that

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 2>were across from them on The florida. Side but this

0:36:56.320 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 2>game here definitely had that feel OF sec dominance really

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:06.839
<v Speaker 2>coming to the. Mainstream it also had the feel of

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 2>like the early makings of The Big, Game Bob. Moniker

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:13.440
<v Speaker 2>there were a lot of things THAT i think started

0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 2>with this game or were kind of like intensified by this.

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Game you go back a couple of, years so this

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:22.760
<v Speaker 1>IS i think year three Of Kevin wilson as the offensive,

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 1>coordinator this iteration WITH. Ou you, know he does great

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>things For northwestern at the turn of the. Century and,

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>look The Paul Thompson Boise state experience was very. Entertaining

0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 1>but we got to see what An oklahoma offense looked

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:39.799
<v Speaker 1>like with somebody better suited to run. It And Sam,

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:44.320
<v Speaker 1>bradford especially after they lose To, texas was a man

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:49.280
<v Speaker 1>possessed and rightfully won The. Heisman, interestingly there was A big.

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Twelve The Big twelve was the center of college football

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.719
<v Speaker 1>probably this, year right with the three way tie in

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>The south Between, Texas Texas, tech And. Oklahoma of, Course

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 1>oklahoma just Murders Texas tech. LATE i think they dropped

0:38:01.360 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 1>sixty six on the number two team in the. Country

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:06.920
<v Speaker 1>they lose To, texas and of Course texas famously loses

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 1>To Texas tech and on The Michael crabtree play at

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 1>the end of the game In, lubbock so we have

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:15.520
<v Speaker 1>a three way. Tie they go to the fifth tiebreaker

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 1>to determine That oklahoma is indeed the team that should

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>be going to The Big twelve championship. Game they end

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 1>up storming back and Beating maszoo to get to this.

0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Game and you're, RIGHT i think you're under selling the

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:29.640
<v Speaker 1>defense a little just because of how quickly the offense,

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>played and that sort of Left Brent venables probably scrambling

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>a bit to rotate in guys and keep guys fresh

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Because gerald McCoy couldn't literally be everywhere as great as he.

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Was Travis lewis was very good behind. Him the secondary

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 1>took some lumps against some very good big twelve, quarterbacks

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:50.359
<v Speaker 1>but The oklahoma defense, especially it got much better next

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 1>year When venables got used to things a little bit.

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:55.319
<v Speaker 1>More they were. Fine they were good enough to get

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 1>them to THE Bcs National, championship and they were a great.

0:38:58.719 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Story they had the, speed they had the talent on.

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Offense like you, Mentioned Jermaine gresham was just fantastic all

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 1>season long and gave them a really difficult matchup element

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:12.439
<v Speaker 1>for essentially, everybody Including. Florida he was probably the most

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>successful offensive player in that game in terms of getting

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 1>open and affecting the. Game it was an Amazing oklahoma

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 1>team to. Watch they weren't fully the modern. Spread Sam

0:39:22.080 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 1>bradford was under center a good, deal but they would

0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:28.240
<v Speaker 1>get the ball quickly to playmakers in, space as people

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 1>like to, say and guys Like Chris brown And DeMarco

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 1>murray And Joaquin, iglesias a Young Ryan. Broyles they just tormented,

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 1>everybody and they did it, Quickly they did it with,

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>pace they did it without. Huddling it was you can't

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 1>tell AND i know our Pal Bill connolly just wrote

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 1>all about, this but you can't tell the story of

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 1>the modern spread without the utter destruction laid at the

0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 1>feet of The big twelve By. Oklahoma and so when

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:54.239
<v Speaker 1>they get To, florida you think to, yourself, well both

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 1>these teams are, fast both these teams are, talented both

0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:58.279
<v Speaker 1>these teams of All. Americans we've got A heisman, Winner

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 1>we've got this battering ram And Tim tebow and the

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:04.720
<v Speaker 1>speed Of Percy harvin and this absurd secondary what's gonna

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:08.520
<v Speaker 1>come of? It and it was just a fast. Game

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.439
<v Speaker 1>it kind of lived up to the billing, ultimately, though

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.279
<v Speaker 1>And i'm sure you have thoughts here, too it Was

0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:18.640
<v Speaker 1>florida's general speed on defense winning. Moments it was seven

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 1>all going into halftime Because Sam bradford throws a pick

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 1>at the goal, line and just the resilience OF i

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Guess florida's rushing game just they're Battering oklahoma down the

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 1>field With Tim tebow And Percy, harvin and you, know

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:36.240
<v Speaker 1>whether It's Jeff demps Or Chris, haney it's just play

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.799
<v Speaker 1>after play after, play and it just Wore oklahoma. Down,

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i Mean oklahoma was not.

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.839
<v Speaker 2>Themselves they were not AND i don't know if it's

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Because DeMarco murray wasn't out there on the, field but

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 2>they were a shell of their former self in the rushing,

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 2>department Whereas. Florida florida had a number of. Options tebow

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:03.759
<v Speaker 2>was of course the headliner that, year but you Mentioned Chris,

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Rainey Jeff, demps Even Percy harvin got. Smack Em Manuel

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:13.440
<v Speaker 2>moody was on that so they had a number of

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 2>guys and it Was it was just so interesting the

0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 2>way That Urban meyer constructed that team because it just

0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 2>those three, Names, Rainy, demps And. Harvin all of them

0:41:23.920 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 2>were incredibly fast and could be used a variety of different.

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 2>Ways it extends into the receiving game. Too Percy harvin

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 2>so many different ways that you could play him if

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 2>you wanted to put him out wider in the, slaughter

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 2>out of the, backfield he was a matchup. Disadvantage Lewis

0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:44.879
<v Speaker 2>murphy was on that, team sort of underrated but got

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot of action And Aaron. Hernandez you, know we'll

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 2>take all the bad stuff, aside But Aaron hernandez was

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 2>a big time matchup disadvantage for, defenses so so much

0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 2>versatility on that offense that it was very difficult to.

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Defend and as we said at the top of this

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:07.239
<v Speaker 2>blurb about oh, Wait, oklahoma the defense is. Fine we're

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:10.320
<v Speaker 2>not here to disparage the, defense but it was certainly

0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:12.400
<v Speaker 2>not their. Specialty they did a good job in this.

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Game we did a good job keeping it close in this,

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:20.200
<v Speaker 2>game and, truly if not for like two possessions that went,

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 2>haywire they could have won this.

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Game, yeah And Tim tebow was really good on the.

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>Ground he has a jump pass at the goal line

0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:31.799
<v Speaker 1>which works out, well but he was okay through the.

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 1>Air he wasn't, bad but he Wasn't he didn't lead

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.280
<v Speaker 1>the way with his. PASSING i know people are shocked

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 1>knowing that he's A hall Of fame passer now and

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 1>setting all sorts OF nfl. Records his picks were not,

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:43.640
<v Speaker 1>good his interceptions were not. Good he was. Hesitant but

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 1>when you were built like he, was And oklahoma just

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:50.919
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have the depth of, talent it's you, know it's

0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 1>an immovable force versus what's the phrase, Time i'm very tired,

0:42:56.600 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 1>now but an unstoppable force against immovable. Objects. Yeah so

0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:02.880
<v Speaker 1>you have The gerald McCoy led, front but at a

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:05.600
<v Speaker 1>certain point they just wore down The oklahoma. Front AND

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:10.360
<v Speaker 1>i came away very impressed overall With oklahoma's two thousand

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and eight again the mere fact that we have a

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:16.279
<v Speaker 1>three way. Tie and by the, Way, Texas Texas, tech

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:19.840
<v Speaker 1>And oklahoma were all presented with big Twelve south, trophies

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.920
<v Speaker 1>which is sort of absurd that such a trophy, exists

0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:26.920
<v Speaker 1>but they're all presented with. It and we get this championship,

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:30.279
<v Speaker 1>game WHICH i think is what everybody. Wanted After Sam

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 1>bradford wins The, heisman maybe outside Of austin And, lubbock

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:39.399
<v Speaker 1>But alabama comes relatively. Close, Right alabama GOES i think they're.

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Undefeated they go twelve to zero into THE sec championship,

0:43:42.120 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 1>game And Tim tebow actually has an awesome game In

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:49.880
<v Speaker 1>atlanta Against John, Parker, Wilson Glenn, coffee a Young Julio,

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:53.920
<v Speaker 1>jones but not What alabama what what they would. Become

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:56.800
<v Speaker 1>those were Not winter. WONDERS i would, Say Glen coffee

0:43:56.960 --> 0:43:59.279
<v Speaker 1>And John Parker. Wilson but would they have been enough

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 1>to Beat? Oklahoma? Perhaps, perhaps but they definitely were not

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 1>enough to Beat, utah who actually finished number two in

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the FINAL bcs, standings going thirteen TO zh Beating alabama

0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:10.920
<v Speaker 1>in The Sugar.

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:16.240
<v Speaker 2>BOWL i am inclined to go oh Eight oklahoma over

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:19.479
<v Speaker 2>over at FIVE sc over FIVE.

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Sc so the CASE i think is pretty easy For.

0:44:24.760 --> 0:44:28.440
<v Speaker 1>OKLAHOMA i don't think it's an easy. Game but if

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 1>you were going to exploit USC's weakness that, year it's

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 1>probably their. Corners and while you know it's it's not

0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 1>clear That Joaquin iglesias and a Young Ryan broyles are

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:44.440
<v Speaker 1>killers on the, outside that offense is pretty perfectly suited

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 1>to take DOWN. Sc SO i could see that for.

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:51.239
<v Speaker 2>SURE i Think i'm gonna, go oh, Wait, Oklahoma i'm

0:44:51.239 --> 0:44:54.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna do. It it goes against better, judgment AND i

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 2>just love those TWO sc teams in four and, Five

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 2>but they have Beaten florida.

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Man florida was, Loaded clorida was. FLOADED i think how

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:10.040
<v Speaker 1>many times out of, ten how many times out of

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 1>one hundred if this game is simulated In Elon musk's,

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:18.719
<v Speaker 1>simulation how many times Does oklahoma Beat florida on a

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 1>neutral field with by the, Way Tom, BRENNAMAN i think

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:24.879
<v Speaker 1>three straight national championships With Tom brennaman calling all one hundred.

0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:28.879
<v Speaker 2>Simulations, well in simulations they could they could win forty

0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.799
<v Speaker 2>percent of the. GAMES i don't, Know, OKAY i don't

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 2>think it's that.

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.759
<v Speaker 1>HIGH i THINK i could not believe The florida secondary

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:39.400
<v Speaker 1>was what it was that. Night Genor's, Jenkins Joe, Hayden

0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:43.919
<v Speaker 1>Ahmad black And Major. Wright that's. Serious that is, very very.

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Serious AND i don't Think oklahoma if you play this

0:45:47.600 --> 0:45:50.520
<v Speaker 1>game over and over, again especially Without DeMarco murray as

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 1>just an an option leaking out of the backfield for

0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:55.800
<v Speaker 1>over four. Quarters but what About but what ABOUT? SC

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 1>i Think florida is in a better pasi to win

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:02.960
<v Speaker 1>that game because of their speed on. DEFENSE i don't

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:05.800
<v Speaker 1>love their defensive, line BUT i think It's Brandon spikes

0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 1>And Brandon hicks at linebacker along with that secondary And Tim.

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Tebow if we're talking about a physically imposing quarterback with

0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the ability to inflict damage with his, legs we KNOW

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:23.399
<v Speaker 1>usc didn't do well against that specific. Prescription So i'm

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:28.520
<v Speaker 1>going to Say florida. Here, okay all, right let's. Disagree

0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:29.120
<v Speaker 1>how many? Ease?

0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:33.920
<v Speaker 2>NO i agree with, you okay. Wholeheartedly do you how

0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:35.800
<v Speaker 2>do you feel about The oklahoma VERSUS c.

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:40.319
<v Speaker 1>THING i Like. OKLAHOMA i, MEAN i THINK i think

0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 1>it's sort of a fifty to fifty toss up situation

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:44.400
<v Speaker 1>BECAUSE i don't know how they Cover Dwayne. JARRETT i

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:46.320
<v Speaker 1>don't know how they you, know there's just so many

0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:49.879
<v Speaker 1>different problems with That Lane kiffin offense to have to deal.

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:52.879
<v Speaker 1>WITH i don't. Love we Saw Percy harvin get loose

0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:55.719
<v Speaker 1>a couple of. TIMES i Imagine Reggie bush could also

0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 1>against This oklahoma. Defense so it's more of a toss

0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 1>up to. ME i THINK i WOULD i would probably

0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:06.359
<v Speaker 1>give the big game coaching nod To Pete carroll Over

0:47:06.440 --> 0:47:09.479
<v Speaker 1>Bob stoops if we're looking at track, record So i'd

0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:13.479
<v Speaker 1>say seventy thirty PROBABLY. Usc but it's it's very, close

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:15.439
<v Speaker 1>AND i can understand why you would Take oklahoma because

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:18.239
<v Speaker 1>of the. Matchup all, right, well let's let's do. This

0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:20.200
<v Speaker 1>let's keep with two thousand and FIVE.

0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Usc, okay BECAUSE i think it's interesting now as we

0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:25.440
<v Speaker 2>go to two thousand and, nine our final team that

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:28.239
<v Speaker 2>we're looking at on this show two thousand and nine

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:34.880
<v Speaker 2>would Be. Texas we've already talked about this game and

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:38.600
<v Speaker 2>what happened in this, game Notably cold McCoy getting, hurt

0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:42.440
<v Speaker 2>his arm going, numb then Freshman Garrett gilbert coming in

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 2>and throwing four. Picks, Ultimately texas loses in The Rose

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:52.160
<v Speaker 2>bowl To alabama thirty seven to twenty. One you AND

0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 2>i debated the merits of their late. Comeback they did

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 2>make a run at, It alabama pulled away, Late, okay

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:04.359
<v Speaker 2>but the headline here Is colt McCoy getting, hurt and

0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:12.960
<v Speaker 2>prior to, That texas was in a remarkable spot thirteen to.

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Zero couple close calls throughout the course of the. Year

0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 2>really good, Team colt, McCoy Jordan. Shipley that was the.

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Offense let's not kid. Ourselves that was the offense in

0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine for The Texas. Longhorns that, Year

0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Jordan shipley caught one hundred and sixteen balls for fourteen

0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:42.959
<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty five yards and thirteen. Touchdowns, Right colt

0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:49.320
<v Speaker 2>McCoy threw twenty seven, touchdowns so not quite half of,

0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:52.120
<v Speaker 2>them but pretty damn close to half of those touchdowns

0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:57.360
<v Speaker 2>went to his boy, Roommate Jordan, SHIPLEY i, believe older.

0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Brother Of, jackson older brother Of. Case this was an

0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:03.560
<v Speaker 1>interesting spot.

0:49:03.600 --> 0:49:09.279
<v Speaker 2>Here it was a good defense to compliment that two men,

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:14.759
<v Speaker 2>offense and they ran into An alabama team that was

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:19.439
<v Speaker 2>very loaded at the, time very loaded at the. Time

0:49:20.440 --> 0:49:23.799
<v Speaker 2>this is A greg McElroy. OFFENSE i know you love

0:49:23.840 --> 0:49:26.880
<v Speaker 2>WHEN i put him at the. Top but we're talking

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:32.319
<v Speaker 2>about guys Like Mark ingram And Trent richardson carrying the.

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Ball we're talking about receivers Like Julio, Jones Marquise mays

0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:40.640
<v Speaker 2>was on that. TEAM a whole host of talent on,

0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 2>defense not the least of which we Are, Yeah orlando,

0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:49.280
<v Speaker 2>McLain Mark, Baron Javier, Arenas Marcel darius as you, Mentioned

0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Mount cody on that. Team so there's a lot of

0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:56.600
<v Speaker 2>talent on That alabama. Side it's no secret why they

0:49:56.640 --> 0:50:01.759
<v Speaker 2>won that. Game but what strikes you looking back At

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:06.680
<v Speaker 2>texas and nine and specifically as you try to compare

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:08.880
<v Speaker 2>them to some of the other teams that we've discussed,

0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Here so.

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:13.040
<v Speaker 1>The defense takes a step back as much as or the,

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:15.240
<v Speaker 1>offense excuse, me takes a step, back the defense actually

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:18.400
<v Speaker 1>gets better even though they lose guys up. FRONT i

0:50:18.400 --> 0:50:20.440
<v Speaker 1>think they Lost BRIAN. A rackpo from two thousand and.

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Eight Sergio kindall's still, There Earl thomas still. There the

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:25.319
<v Speaker 1>secondary is very good and it was for a long

0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:28.040
<v Speaker 1>time With DWAYNE. A, kina who is just like the

0:50:28.080 --> 0:50:32.080
<v Speaker 1>defensive back whisper For. Texas so they lose a key

0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:34.719
<v Speaker 1>playmaker on offense In Kwan cosby who really helped to

0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:36.800
<v Speaker 1>stretch the. FIELD i Think colt McCoy set a record

0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:39.239
<v Speaker 1>for completion percentage in two thousand and. Eight it was

0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:42.360
<v Speaker 1>like it was like seventy six. Percent it was, cartoonish

0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 1>and so THE i think the shame is that the

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight squad wasn't playing healthfully Against, alabama not.

0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Necessarily the two thousand and nine a really impressive. Defense

0:50:53.400 --> 0:50:55.719
<v Speaker 1>strange to See texas without a running. Game this is

0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Post Jamal, charles and you, know they just can't seem

0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:01.359
<v Speaker 1>to get it. Gone It's Trey newton as their leading.

0:51:01.440 --> 0:51:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Rusher but all things, considered they do survive some close

0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 1>calls in The big. Twelve that includes what the best

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Modern big twelve defense probably, yeah in two thousand and

0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Nine's nebraska And domakin Sue Bo polini just mad house of.

0:51:16.440 --> 0:51:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Horrors so they survived that game in the literal last,

0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 1>seconds and they make it to THE Bcs championship. Game

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.120
<v Speaker 1>they hang around really all season, long in the top

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:28.759
<v Speaker 1>two or. Three the scares don't really drop them that.

0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Much they end up not losing to anybody Until, alabama

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and even, then even, then With Garrett gilbert going fifteen

0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:41.879
<v Speaker 1>to forty and throwing the interceptions that he, does it's

0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:46.360
<v Speaker 1>still a game. Late so if we're SAYING usc could have,

0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:51.000
<v Speaker 1>won if we're Saying, oklahoma maybe not often in a

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:54.440
<v Speaker 1>hundred game, simulation but they had, enough you, know if

0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:57.719
<v Speaker 1>certain things break correctly to Beat. Florida the way that

0:51:57.719 --> 0:52:00.919
<v Speaker 1>that team came, TOGETHER i think you have to say

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the two thousand and Nine texas, team for all of its,

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:06.799
<v Speaker 1>flaws this is the Year Nick saban's Death star Of

0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:11.239
<v Speaker 1>alabama became. Operational what they were upfront two thousand and,

0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:14.520
<v Speaker 1>eight they were getting, there but they weren't there with

0:52:14.560 --> 0:52:17.520
<v Speaker 1>the offensive skill positions like they were With Mark ingram

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:20.880
<v Speaker 1>And Trent, richardson and the depth of talent that they

0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 1>built on defense was starting to become pretty. Scary so

0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:28.319
<v Speaker 1>For Garrett gilbert to pull That texas team. Back i'm

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:32.360
<v Speaker 1>going to, say, yes they absolutely could have, one but

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:35.399
<v Speaker 1>because it Was Garrett Gilbert's i'm going to nick them

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:39.080
<v Speaker 1>a few points and Say i'm not putting them up

0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:42.560
<v Speaker 1>against probably many of the first place losers of the

0:52:42.840 --> 0:52:47.880
<v Speaker 1>four years. Prior but, still all things, considered this was

0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.880
<v Speaker 1>a damn Impressive texas. Team this is A will Muss champ.

0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Defense this is an experienced offense that just didn't HAVE

0:52:56.040 --> 0:52:59.520
<v Speaker 1>i Guess winter wonders once again Without colt, McCoy Without,

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:02.719
<v Speaker 1>kuwank Without Jamal, charles guys that were just so good

0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:06.040
<v Speaker 1>for them in the couple years leading. Up they just couldn't.

0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Hang they couldn't, run even though it was extremely close.

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:13.959
<v Speaker 2>Late you're giving it a little too much, credit AM.

0:53:13.960 --> 0:53:16.879
<v Speaker 2>I though you're giving, it you're giving. Again i'll come

0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:19.880
<v Speaker 2>back to the previous argument we had on a different.

0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Show but, like this game was over early And alabama

0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Let texas back into. It, wait, No Grek gilbert was

0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:34.480
<v Speaker 2>awful in this. Game he Made he was awful, mostly

0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:38.880
<v Speaker 2>but he did make. Plays you were, Saying, alabama this

0:53:38.960 --> 0:53:42.360
<v Speaker 2>is just we're rerunning an. Argument we had a couple

0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:47.720
<v Speaker 2>of weeks, Ago alabama tried very very. Hard alabama's offense

0:53:47.719 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 2>put the defense in a very bad spot by going

0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:54.040
<v Speaker 2>three and out a lot in the second. Half alabama's

0:53:54.080 --> 0:53:58.440
<v Speaker 2>defense was. Trying Garrett gilbert threw over this defense a little,

0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:00.360
<v Speaker 2>bit right?

0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Now is it twenty is it? Not hold? On hold?

0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:06.160
<v Speaker 1>On you don't need to buy, anything, ty it was

0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 1>twenty four to twenty one, late, right that's. Irrefutable it's

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:16.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty four twenty One texas ball with three minutes. Left that's, fact. Right,

0:54:17.160 --> 0:54:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Okay so if we're gonna say ten Point florida Over

0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:27.680
<v Speaker 1>oklahoma is within reason For, oklahoma FOR. Ou if we're

0:54:27.680 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 1>going to, say you, Know Ohio state AGAINST, lsu which

0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:33.799
<v Speaker 1>was you, know started out pretty well for O, house

0:54:33.840 --> 0:54:35.560
<v Speaker 1>THE i don't think they had much of a chance.

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:39.080
<v Speaker 1>There if we're gonna SAY usc has a chance close,

0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:44.560
<v Speaker 1>late we have to talk About gilbert completing passes against

0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:49.640
<v Speaker 1>a Good alabama defense at. TIMES i don't. Know twenty

0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:53.440
<v Speaker 1>four to twenty one three minutes, Left, Okay, well, anyway

0:54:54.239 --> 0:54:57.319
<v Speaker 1>up against the rest of the, teams the text let's

0:54:57.320 --> 0:54:59.719
<v Speaker 1>shot Against, Beckman let's do.

0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 2>This let's see. This let's assume That colt McCoy. PLAYS

0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:06.759
<v Speaker 2>i think that he started the. Game he started the,

0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:09.400
<v Speaker 2>game but let's assume he doesn't get. Hurt, now let's

0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:18.640
<v Speaker 2>compare Nine texas against for starters FIVE. Usc, okay where

0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:19.480
<v Speaker 2>do you come down in that?

0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Matchup i'm FAVORING. SC i don't Think texas has the

0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 1>receivers LIKE i, Mentioned oklahoma sort of did the previous.

0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:29.560
<v Speaker 1>YEAR i don't think outside Of Jordan, shipley they had

0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the advantage going against THE usc. Secondary So i'll TAKE.

0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:40.319
<v Speaker 2>USC i am intrigued by That texas team and their

0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.600
<v Speaker 2>offense against a really good defense In Ohio state both.

0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Years, Really colt McCoy texas did Play Ohio state in

0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:49.160
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and, six SO i can't tell you what.

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Happened it was a Young colt. McCoy it was a different,

0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:55.759
<v Speaker 1>team But Ohio state beat him twenty four to seven IN. DKR.

0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Yep that's pretty. GOOD. Yep so we know the, ants.

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Sir different different, Team but we know About colt McCoy

0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Against Ohio. State what ABOUT Oad, oklahoma Ohait oklahoma against

0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:18.400
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and Nine, Texas, Right so what's the difference

0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:21.800
<v Speaker 1>BETWEEN Oad oklahoma and two thousand and Nine OKLAHOMA i

0:56:21.800 --> 0:56:25.239
<v Speaker 1>guess now Is Sam. Brett, yeah now's not not much,

0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:29.960
<v Speaker 1>really It's Sam bradford. Injury, yeah in two thousand and.

0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Nine So oklahoma falls to a very average offense IN o,

0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:42.680
<v Speaker 1>nine but Oad oklahoma AGAINST o Nine. Texas If texas

0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:44.480
<v Speaker 1>is a little bit worse and they were ten points

0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:46.480
<v Speaker 1>better than them the year, before they're a little bit

0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:48.600
<v Speaker 1>better on, defense but a little bit worse on, offense

0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:53.920
<v Speaker 1>or noticeably worse on. OFFENSE i Think oklahoma has the,

0:56:54.000 --> 0:56:56.880
<v Speaker 1>edge but not by, much because at least we have

0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:58.600
<v Speaker 1>a good chunk of data about that.

0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Matchup BUT i Think i'm hearing here is if we are,

0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:07.840
<v Speaker 2>ranking we've got five usc that we're going to take with.

0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Us to the.

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Next show that we do talking about runners, up followed

0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:21.280
<v Speaker 2>pretty closely by Eight, oklahoma followed by Nine, TEXAS i would,

0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:26.040
<v Speaker 2>say followed BY oh Six Ohio state With Troy, smith

0:57:26.960 --> 0:57:29.400
<v Speaker 2>followed by Seven Ohio state With Todd.

0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Beckmann Oh beckman as the last, place yeah, MAN i don't.

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Know that may have been the best defense of those. Five.

0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah so it's, BASICALLY i, mean who would you take

0:57:42.640 --> 0:57:47.360
<v Speaker 1>between Six Ohio state AND o Seven Ohio. State pray

0:57:47.520 --> 0:57:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Go Troy, Smith Troy smith being the difference, MAKER i think. So,

0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:54.800
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i think he gave him the defense one year

0:57:54.840 --> 0:58:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Older Todd, BECKMAN i think. So BUT i think the

0:58:03.880 --> 0:58:06.160
<v Speaker 1>best thing on the field between those two squads is

0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:11.439
<v Speaker 1>the seven. Defense i'd probably end up taking. That i'd

0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:15.840
<v Speaker 1>probably end up taking the. Defense we saw what the

0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:18.440
<v Speaker 1>offensive line Of Ohio state would look like against a

0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:23.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty nasty defensive. LINE i actually might take this very

0:58:23.680 --> 0:58:26.320
<v Speaker 1>incestuous seven team over.

0:58:26.600 --> 0:58:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Six all, right, well right in solid verbootgmail dot, com

0:58:30.440 --> 0:58:33.479
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0:58:34.080 --> 0:58:35.600
<v Speaker 1>What your thoughts are on the. Matter.

0:58:35.680 --> 0:58:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Here it has been, fun, actually not just to go

0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:43.000
<v Speaker 2>back through and rewatch old games now obviously we've got

0:58:43.040 --> 0:58:45.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of time to do, that but to do

0:58:45.720 --> 0:58:48.440
<v Speaker 2>something like this where you actually get to look at

0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:50.440
<v Speaker 2>it over a five year, chunk and we're gonna do

0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:52.360
<v Speaker 2>more of. Them we're going to continue to do this

0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:55.760
<v Speaker 2>over the next few, episodes to look at runners up

0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:59.080
<v Speaker 2>and really talk about individual seasons and how things broke,

0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:03.080
<v Speaker 2>down because you kind of forget as time goes on

0:59:03.160 --> 0:59:05.760
<v Speaker 2>some of the interesting and cool things that happen over

0:59:05.800 --> 0:59:08.560
<v Speaker 2>the span of a, season and you know where we're

0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:11.000
<v Speaker 2>in this mode of talking About alabama And clemson so

0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 2>often you forget about some of the other teams that have.

0:59:13.560 --> 0:59:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Challenged So i'm excited to keep. GOING i guess next

0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:20.040
<v Speaker 2>time it'll be twenty, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen and, fourteen,

0:59:20.880 --> 0:59:24.400
<v Speaker 2>correct which means we get to talk About Notre.

0:59:24.280 --> 0:59:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Dame And oregon And, oregon AND i think we're gonna

0:59:28.960 --> 0:59:32.000
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go pretty quickly Through Oregon auburn because we've

0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:35.560
<v Speaker 1>already sort of discussed that at. Nauseum but, yeah twenty

0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:38.160
<v Speaker 1>twelve is a crazy. Year we've got A heisman winner

0:59:38.200 --> 0:59:41.760
<v Speaker 1>And Marcus mariota twenty, fourteen so that'll be.

0:59:41.800 --> 0:59:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Good all, Right well, again soliverbal at gmail dot. Com

0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:48.760
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<v Speaker 1>Haul. Dan, yeah and if you have listened to any

1:00:21.320 --> 1:00:24.440
<v Speaker 1>errors on this show as we combed through five years of,

1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:29.880
<v Speaker 1>seasons it's solid verbal at gmail dot. Com Attention, Tie,

1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:34.160
<v Speaker 1>yeah Attention. Tie Now i'm the one WHO i think

1:00:34.200 --> 1:00:37.160
<v Speaker 1>my batting average is lower on this episode BECAUSE i

1:00:37.200 --> 1:00:39.880
<v Speaker 1>have the Loggeria. TIE i like to going through a

1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:42.520
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of games and teams and. Players BUT i

1:00:42.560 --> 1:00:45.160
<v Speaker 1>had a ton of fun rewatching these old games and

1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:48.480
<v Speaker 1>watching where they were not as. Strong teams were not

1:00:48.520 --> 1:00:50.600
<v Speaker 1>as strong AS i thought they, were or a lot, stronger,

1:00:50.720 --> 1:00:53.919
<v Speaker 1>faster more impressive THAN i remember them, being especially Those

1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Ohio state teams on. Defense so, yeah let us know

1:00:57.000 --> 1:00:59.360
<v Speaker 1>what you think and give us your. THOUGHTS i suppose

1:00:59.400 --> 1:01:01.560
<v Speaker 1>now that you know what we're doing here on the

1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:06.520
<v Speaker 1>First Place losers moving forward from two thousand to twenty

1:01:06.600 --> 1:01:11.400
<v Speaker 1>ten season through the twenty nineteen. Season all, Right well

1:01:11.480 --> 1:01:13.920
<v Speaker 1>that's on that. Note for that guy over, there way

1:01:13.960 --> 1:01:17.800
<v Speaker 1>over there in Southern. California for, Myself Ty hildebrand over

1:01:17.800 --> 1:01:21.320
<v Speaker 1>here in Eastern, pennsylvania thank you so much for giving

1:01:21.400 --> 1:01:23.440
<v Speaker 1>us some of your. Time we hope you and yours

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<v Speaker 1>are happy and. Safe and.

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<v Speaker 2>Healthy keep washing those. Hands we will talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>all in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Week in the, meantime stay, solid, peace