Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbo. I'm that for me. I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,
Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy
Speaker 1: for Dake Edith Steak.
Speaker 2: Is that whoo whoom? And now Dan and Tie, welcome
Speaker 2: back to the Solid Purple Boys and Girls. My name
Speaker 2: is Ty hilden Brandt, joining me from away, still way
Speaker 2: over there in southern California.
Speaker 1: The one and only Dan Rubinstein, Sir, how are you? Ty?
Speaker 1: I'm terrific And I like painting pictures for not just you,
Speaker 1: but for everybody listening, because this is not a visual medium,
Speaker 1: so I have to do so with my words. And
Speaker 1: as I record this in the makeshift clofice, which is
Speaker 1: an actual closet, not a walk in closet like I
Speaker 1: have back East. But as I record this in the
Speaker 1: makeshift clo office, there is a bar from which clothes
Speaker 1: normally hang, and I use it to brace myself just
Speaker 1: so I have balance as I record, because the microphone
Speaker 1: is on top of a dresser, and I have some
Speaker 1: pillows strewn around here to sort of calm everything down
Speaker 1: sound wise. But I hold on to this because the
Speaker 1: takes that I am about to put forth into the
Speaker 1: college football universe about mid Aught's very good teams. Tye,
Speaker 1: I don't want to launch myself backwards. I'm just ready
Speaker 1: to roll.
Speaker 2: It sounds a little bit like you're going over the
Speaker 2: top style. You've seen that movie with Sliced alone, right,
Speaker 2: of course, he has the little contraption in the big
Speaker 2: rig with him as he's going and he just works
Speaker 2: out with that right arm the whole time.
Speaker 1: Ty I'm not touching that in the way that a
Speaker 1: lot of people are going to be saying, that's what
Speaker 1: she said. But I'm just going to tell you you're
Speaker 1: not wrong. You are absolutely not wrong. And I came
Speaker 1: up with the concept for this show a mirror twenty
Speaker 1: four hours ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as is not something we've blocked ideas on the
Speaker 2: soliverbl This came up.
Speaker 1: Last night, I believe. But there is something about re
Speaker 1: educating oneself through reading, watching tape and thinking things over
Speaker 1: with a twenty twenty brain as you watch mid Ots
Speaker 1: college football that I think is illuminating. I think it's refreshing,
Speaker 1: and I think gives gives it least me. I can't
Speaker 1: speak for you a new perspective. As we start our
Speaker 1: three part first place Losers series first place Losers.
Speaker 2: So we're going to get into that in a second.
Speaker 2: Dan can explain exactly what this concept entails. But hello
Speaker 2: on ty, He's Dan. We are the solid verbal. We're
Speaker 2: a year round college football podcast. We still don't know
Speaker 2: exactly when we're gonna get or if we're gonna get
Speaker 2: college football in twenty twenty. We are certainly hoping for that, right,
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, we shall see though. In the meantime, thank
Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. We will be with
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Speaker 1: Dan, it absolutely is. I'm ready to get into first
Speaker 1: place losers, are you?
Speaker 2: So explain this to me again? So I am clear
Speaker 2: being so I am one half of this show.
Speaker 1: So there is the of course, people know that second
Speaker 1: place is just first place loser, right, that the second
Speaker 1: place is never going to be good enough. You should
Speaker 1: never be proud of a silver medal. Almost receiving the
Speaker 1: bronze is there's somewhat more dignity than having the opportunity
Speaker 1: to win gold and coming up just shorts. I wanted
Speaker 1: to go back to before we actually started doing the
Speaker 1: solid verbal, but not too far back. So we are
Speaker 1: starting with the two thousand and five season, so it
Speaker 1: would be the two thousand and six National championship. So
Speaker 1: we have second place teams of the last fifteen years.
Speaker 1: We're doing the first five years today and the goal
Speaker 1: is to both honor and see how close that first
Speaker 1: place loser came to just finishing the season in first place,
Speaker 1: because the champions, they're the ones that get the parades,
Speaker 1: they're the ones that get the DVDs, they're the ones
Speaker 1: that get honored at halftime of various games, and that
Speaker 1: they're the immortal ones. And so Just Short of Immortality
Speaker 1: is a may podcast dedicated dedicated to your success, which
Speaker 1: I believe as somebody who is arguably the most experienced
Speaker 1: first place loser in rooting for the Oregon Ducks, who
Speaker 1: have lost two national championships in the last fifteen years,
Speaker 1: You've watched your team lose one national championship and it
Speaker 1: should be noted one playoff game in spectacular fashion. Correct.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is squarely within our wheelhouse to
Speaker 1: honor teams who either came up just short or well
Speaker 1: short when given the opportunity to win the national championship
Speaker 1: and sort of talk about the context, talk about the
Speaker 1: season at large, and just how close they actually came
Speaker 1: to winning, because, as you know as a Notre Dame fan,
Speaker 1: the heartbreaking losses stay with you longer than the wonderful wins. Right.
Speaker 2: I think that's right. You're a competitive guy a little bit, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you could say that. I think that's fair. No, that
Speaker 2: that that kick, the Boston College kick still haunts me.
Speaker 1: I talked about it previously on one.
Speaker 2: Of our shows, but that that still haunts me, that kick,
Speaker 2: And you know, i'd imagine if you're an Alabama fan listening,
Speaker 2: the kick six is something that resonates still in a
Speaker 2: very emotional fashion. Fans of all teams kind of find
Speaker 2: themselves in that category and first place losers, I think
Speaker 2: gets to that a little bit. Some of the games
Speaker 2: that I think we're going to go through certainly have
Speaker 2: that that heartbreaking ending for some fan bases.
Speaker 1: Others do not.
Speaker 2: Others do not have that at all. So we'll really
Speaker 2: run the gamut here on some of these teams that
Speaker 2: essentially finished second place, how their season ended, and in
Speaker 2: what fashion it did that that left them kind of
Speaker 2: on the outside looking in, not holding that trophy on
Speaker 2: the podium with one Bill Hancock. But we can get
Speaker 2: into that here. What what is the what is the
Speaker 2: structure of this? So we're starting with the two thousand
Speaker 2: and five regular season in USC.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're starting with two thousand and five USC. And
Speaker 1: we're not gonna labor two thousand and five USC too
Speaker 1: much because we actually did just talk about them with
Speaker 1: Yogi Roth looking back at the put the Bush push game.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna look back at why they got to
Speaker 1: the championship game, like what got them there and then
Speaker 1: why they lost and could they have won those I
Speaker 1: think those are the three pillows, pillows, pillars or pillows
Speaker 1: that you can rest your head on for each of
Speaker 1: these teams. And I'm going to go through this really quickly.
Speaker 1: With two thousand and five USC, you know, Pete Carroll
Speaker 1: was the head coach and the defensive coordinator Lane Kiffin
Speaker 1: was running the offense. They have the close game against
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, they have the comeback against ASU. They run
Speaker 1: through the Pac ten otherwise they you know, they murder
Speaker 1: Oregon and UCLA and everybody knows it's Matt Lioner, Reggie Bush,
Speaker 1: Lendel White. They end up against Texas. The defense, this
Speaker 1: is something that was at least knew again for me.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much you remember about the
Speaker 1: two thousand and five USC defense, but they didn't really
Speaker 1: stack the depth chart, stock the depth chart whatever. No,
Speaker 1: with no the lud chip talent leading up to the
Speaker 1: Texas game. It was actually the year of the Texas game.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five. There were freshmen that came in
Speaker 1: that were pretty highly touted on defense. But anybody who watched,
Speaker 1: especially the back end of that USC defense tried to
Speaker 1: tackle Vince Young, knows that this was not an electric,
Speaker 1: hard hitting, fundamentally sound, open field tackling team.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't, and you know that's been a thing
Speaker 2: for USC for quite some time, to be honest. But this, again,
Speaker 2: just to provide some context, was a very good USC team. Obviously,
Speaker 2: they made the Rose Bowl. This was the season that
Speaker 2: led up to that famed two thousand and six Rose
Speaker 2: Bowl game that they lost to Texas and Vince Young
Speaker 2: forty one to thirty eight, one of the greatest games
Speaker 2: ever played by many accounts. But let me ask you this,
Speaker 2: what was what was USC's official.
Speaker 1: Record in the five six season. Do you know, well,
Speaker 1: the librarian in you is probably going to say, like,
Speaker 1: whatever the sanctions dictate the record was, but it was
Speaker 1: twelve and oh during the regular season, twelve and one.
Speaker 2: Overall, the official record books, I believe classify it as
Speaker 2: oh and oh, oh and o oh and oh because
Speaker 2: of the vacation of wins. Now, there is some debate
Speaker 2: over whether or not the loss still counts, so depending
Speaker 2: on your perspective, it's either O and O or OH
Speaker 2: to one. But that was one of the seasons that
Speaker 2: was supposedly wiped out due to the NCAA swooping in
Speaker 2: being the White Knights that they are and cracking down
Speaker 2: after the Reggie Bush stuff. So lo and behold we
Speaker 2: get to the Rose Bowl. You know, a lot of
Speaker 2: this stuff is is a formality, an administrative type stuff,
Speaker 2: but one of the greatest games I've ever seen played.
Speaker 2: As you said, we talked about this USC team in
Speaker 2: a previous show, being so we recapped the Bush push.
Speaker 2: The talent on this team, though from an offensive standpoint,
Speaker 2: was pretty incredible, And again we won't replay the show
Speaker 2: that we did before, but there was a lot of
Speaker 2: firepower on this offense, Matt Lioner. We had Reggie Bush,
Speaker 2: we had Lendale White, We had a really good receiving corps.
Speaker 2: Specifically with this game though, this National Championship game. You
Speaker 2: mentioned it to me last night, and I did have
Speaker 2: a chance to go back and scrub through it again today.
Speaker 2: They had so many chances to win this damn game.
Speaker 2: You know, it's going to go down in history as
Speaker 2: an amazing individual effort by Vince Young, a record setting performance,
Speaker 2: but even he gave USC a bunch of chances to
Speaker 2: win this game and they could not take advantage of it.
Speaker 2: USC in two thousand and five is going to go
Speaker 2: down as one of the better teams, certainly in this
Speaker 2: generation of college football. Unfortunately for them second place. They
Speaker 2: lost to Texas in this game, but they did have
Speaker 2: their chances.
Speaker 1: Should point out they were the defending national champion and
Speaker 1: USC and Texas went wire to wire as one and
Speaker 1: two before flipping at two becomes one and one becomes
Speaker 1: two once Texas wins this game, And obviously the answer is, yes,
Speaker 1: USC had many chances to put away this game, but
Speaker 1: great teams closed ty and that's what Texas was. That's
Speaker 1: what Vince Young was a great closer. But here's what
Speaker 1: struck me watching back this game, because we all just
Speaker 1: sort of remember Vince Young running into the corner of
Speaker 1: the end zone and the confetti and everything like that. Again, rightfully,
Speaker 1: so as superhuman effort, Texas does zero in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: Pretty they come out sloppy and undisciplined. They probably would
Speaker 1: have lost one of their starting safeties to targeting if
Speaker 1: it were twenty twenty. It wasn't even like a close
Speaker 1: was he He tried to decapitate a full back Cedric
Speaker 1: Griffin did on a wheel route and almost did. Also
Speaker 1: three Texas fumbles in the first seventeen minutes and then
Speaker 1: not including but then another one in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: so amazing fumble luck, which great, great, it's good to
Speaker 1: have fumble luck. Vince Young does not get called down
Speaker 1: at the USC ten yard line before he pitches it
Speaker 1: for a Texas touchdown for them to go up I
Speaker 1: believe nine to seven early and there's a play that
Speaker 1: I had completely forgotten about. USC's up twelve with five
Speaker 1: and a half or so minutes left. Vince Young rolls
Speaker 1: out to the left, is in the midst of being sacked,
Speaker 1: throws the ball away from his body like thirty yards
Speaker 1: across the field, straight up into double coverage, and one
Speaker 1: of the I think was one of the Ting brothers,
Speaker 1: instead of coming down with the game sealing interception, simply
Speaker 1: swatted it away and Vince Young a couple of plays later,
Speaker 1: I think ninety seconds later, runs it in to cut
Speaker 1: it to a one score game. That would have iced
Speaker 1: the game. So from I don't know if we're using
Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten or one to two
Speaker 1: thousand and two Miami, whatever we want to call it.
Speaker 1: USC one thousand percent had the chance to win this game,
Speaker 1: which I assume makes things all the more painful.
Speaker 2: So what I think would be fun to do is,
Speaker 2: as we're going through, maybe like war style, we can
Speaker 2: compare two thousand and five USC to our next team,
Speaker 2: which would be two thousand and six Ohio State. Oh
Speaker 2: I like this, you know, like which team's like? I
Speaker 2: think I already know which team's better. But we can
Speaker 2: get into two thousand and six US or two thousand
Speaker 2: and six Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Excuse me if you're ready for that. If you're okay
Speaker 1: with that, I am ready for that. And then the
Speaker 1: comparison is not terribly difficult. We have two Heisman quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: Troy Smith for Ohio State and Matt Lionert wins it
Speaker 1: a couple of years before, and only one of the
Speaker 1: teams beats Texas on their way to the national championship
Speaker 1: at least appearance, and is not USC, but rather Ohio State.
Speaker 1: They beat Texas twenty four to seven early on in
Speaker 1: the season. They of course have that tight, tight shootout
Speaker 1: against Michigan forty two to thirty nine. That left some people,
Speaker 1: because they were one and two in the country, saying,
Speaker 1: should there be a rematch in the National Championship Game.
Speaker 1: The answer is no, Ty, The answer is no. What
Speaker 1: do you remember about two thousand and six Ohio State
Speaker 1: if anything, because I have some notes?
Speaker 2: Well, so, first off, again context, this is an Ohio
Speaker 2: State team that finished twelve to one after the season.
Speaker 2: They got smoked by Florida in the BCS game forty
Speaker 2: one to fourteen. But what's what's important to note about
Speaker 2: Ohio State is that this was right when the program
Speaker 2: was hitting critical mass and firing up the engines that
Speaker 2: are in effect still running fifteen years later. You know,
Speaker 2: they won the two thousand and three Fiesta Bowl. They
Speaker 2: knocked off Miami. We talked about that game previously. They
Speaker 2: had a really good run in between then and where
Speaker 2: we're at now, which is when they got back to
Speaker 2: the BCS Championship game. This was the number one team
Speaker 2: in the country all year long until they lost that
Speaker 2: BCS game, and they had a really good defense that
Speaker 2: was sort of a hallmark of this era of Ohio State.
Speaker 2: Maybe not quite as good as they were the following year,
Speaker 2: which we'll get into, but a really good defense that
Speaker 2: had high level talent. Vernon Golston got drafted, you know,
Speaker 2: I want to say sixth overall maybe by the Jets.
Speaker 2: Along the couple of years, yeah, along that defensive front,
Speaker 2: James Laura Nidis who of course had a really good year,
Speaker 2: Malcolm Jenkins who went on to have a really good
Speaker 2: NFL career. Troy Smith, you mentioned, won the Heisman in
Speaker 2: the school, seventh Heisman Trophy winner. So there were some
Speaker 2: headliners on this team, and I just remember the one
Speaker 2: prevailing thought I had, thinking back and certainly living through
Speaker 2: the era, was I always had a hard time trying
Speaker 2: to project Troy Smith forward, you know, like, is this
Speaker 2: guy going to actually play in the NFL. I always
Speaker 2: had a hard time with that, especially with quarterbacks that
Speaker 2: won the Heisman Trophy because a lot of them, as
Speaker 2: you know, don't pan out. But Troy Smith, to me,
Speaker 2: it just I don't know why he gave me a
Speaker 2: hard time trying to figure that out. I've obviously he
Speaker 2: didn't pan out as a long lasting NFL quantity. Certainly
Speaker 2: in the college ranks though, and within that system he
Speaker 2: was very good. And Ohio State went on to build
Speaker 2: on its success the next season, the year after the
Speaker 2: year after all the way up to where we're at today.
Speaker 2: So these were kind of the early workings of this
Speaker 2: juggernaut that has become the Ohio State Buckeyes.
Speaker 1: So Troy Smith is a very fun watch. Not as
Speaker 1: much of a dual threat as he was the year before.
Speaker 1: He runs a lot more in two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that's cut back in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six because of wanting to prove himself un
Speaker 1: center more because it wasn't a full spread Ohio State.
Speaker 1: Did they spread the field. They had good receivers led
Speaker 1: by Ted Ginn and also worth remembering, I think Troy
Speaker 1: Smith was very foolishly. It was suspended over like accepting
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars the year before and sat out a game.
Speaker 1: I think it was their bowl game, but I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I should have done more research into something that silly.
Speaker 1: But it's Jim Bowman, who is not a spread offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator running the offense for Ohio State. And you're right,
Speaker 1: it is the defense that is that is leading the way.
Speaker 1: But Troy Smith is awesome. But if you watch some
Speaker 1: of their bigger games. It's a lot of quick stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not a ton down field. It's not a ton
Speaker 1: of creativity, it's not a ton of you know, a
Speaker 1: dynamic look on offense from Ohio State. And that's fine.
Speaker 1: It worked amazingly well. They run the table at number
Speaker 1: one throughout the regular season, and of course the Big
Speaker 1: Ten doesn't have a championship game until twenty eleven, so
Speaker 1: they don't have to play in that to sort of
Speaker 1: jump that hurdle before the National Championship game. They have
Speaker 1: the close call against Illinois, but it's really more of
Speaker 1: an offensive struggle. The defense was still amazing against the
Speaker 1: Aliini at least this year. We'll get to something about
Speaker 1: Illinois later on about Ohio State, but it was a
Speaker 1: good team ultimately, though. The problem with Ohio State was
Speaker 1: their tackles. They get to the National Championship a game
Speaker 1: against Florida, and mind you and I have the two
Speaker 1: thousand and six BCS Ohio State and Michigan in the
Speaker 1: back half of the season. They're one to two from
Speaker 1: Week seven until they play in week twelve. Auburn's up
Speaker 1: there early on, Notre Dames, up there early on, Texas
Speaker 1: early on, until Ohio State beats them, and then as
Speaker 1: we get into the national championship game, Florida edges out
Speaker 1: Michigan thankfully to reach that game. We have LSU Louisville.
Speaker 1: Even later on in the season, Rutgers in Arkansas are
Speaker 1: in the top ten, waiting the top fifteen team. Things
Speaker 1: were weird tie in two thousand and six, but we
Speaker 1: get to this championship game early on in urban meyers
Speaker 1: career against an Ohio State team who had won a
Speaker 1: national championship in two thousand and two but couldn't quite
Speaker 1: get back on that level until so this would be
Speaker 1: early two thousand and seven. But the two thousand and
Speaker 1: six season and the offensive tackles. One of them was
Speaker 1: an NFL player for some time, Alex Boone for Ohio State,
Speaker 1: but he kicked inside as a guard once he was
Speaker 1: in the NFL. They were beaten mercilessly by Jarvis Moss
Speaker 1: and Derek Harvey, just hounding Troy Smith, who proved himself
Speaker 1: to be And this is a term that I am
Speaker 1: going to try to employ just because I'm stealing it
Speaker 1: from Draymond Green, who talks about it in the context
Speaker 1: of NBA players. A lot of players play well in
Speaker 1: the fall. The best are Winter Wonders. Tie your new thing, right,
Speaker 1: This is my new thing, because when we look across
Speaker 1: these teams in these national championships, it's very clear that
Speaker 1: the team with the Winter Wonders who step up their
Speaker 1: game with all the time off, with the other team
Speaker 1: getting a whole season's worth of film to prepare for
Speaker 1: everything that goes into a national championship game. Ohio State,
Speaker 1: especially on offense, had essentially no Winter Wonders. And that's
Speaker 1: early Beanie Wells in the backfield but not starting. He's
Speaker 1: behind Antonio Pittman and Ted Gin runs back the opening
Speaker 1: kick for a touchdown and tweaks his foot out the
Speaker 1: rest of the game his foot and ankle, and so
Speaker 1: the dudes on this Ohio State offense just don't exist.
Speaker 1: As Troy Smith looked to be a Heisman dude but
Speaker 1: could not make anything. It was just heads or tails.
Speaker 1: It was a rough game, rough game for him. In
Speaker 1: that title game, they were overwhelmed by a Florida defensive
Speaker 1: line that had him on the run. I think he
Speaker 1: completed what four passes the entire game, so it was
Speaker 1: clearly not a Heisman level effort from him.
Speaker 2: And Florida went on to a pretty big victory. Interesting
Speaker 2: side note here for those of you that follow all
Speaker 2: college sports, Florida went on to beat Ohio State in
Speaker 2: the two thousand and seven NCUBA Men's basketball Championship game
Speaker 2: as well. Correct the first time in nc DOUBLEA history
Speaker 2: that the same two schools played for both the football
Speaker 2: and basketball.
Speaker 1: Championships in the same year, and.
Speaker 2: The first time that a school held both the football
Speaker 2: and basketball championships in the same academic and calendar year
Speaker 2: as well. So a little bit of history, a little
Speaker 2: bit of a random factoy that malely interest tyned in.
Speaker 2: But two thousand and six Ohio State a runner up?
Speaker 2: How do they compare to two thousand and six or
Speaker 2: two thousand and five USC?
Speaker 1: In your view? I think USC is stronger, and it's
Speaker 1: mostly because of the sheer number of Winter Wonders and dudes.
Speaker 1: I agree USC offense and as good as the Ohio
Speaker 1: State defense was at a certain point, the speed of
Speaker 1: Florida and it's a freshman year Percy Harvin and it's
Speaker 1: Chris League, who's fine. Florida is simply just fine overall
Speaker 1: with unblockable defensive ends. That was the clear difference in
Speaker 1: this game. They just did not allow Ohio State to
Speaker 1: do a single thing on offense. And so it's not
Speaker 1: as if this very early Urban Meyer Florida team was
Speaker 1: overwhelming offensively, but the team speed for Florida on offense,
Speaker 1: and then similarly, the team speed between Reggie Bush and whatever,
Speaker 1: Dwayne Jarrett, Dominique Bird, these guys on the USC team,
Speaker 1: I would have them, not just because they were closer
Speaker 1: to Texas. Ohio State was not close to beating Florida,
Speaker 1: not a conversation.
Speaker 2: So that means it's two thousand and five USC against
Speaker 2: our next runner up, two thousand and seven Ohio State.
Speaker 2: Ohio State runners up two years consecutively, and two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven as a college football entity, maybe the wackiest
Speaker 2: season we have seen.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 2: This was right around the time where you and I
Speaker 2: were emailing for the first time, right trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what we're going to do, if we're going to
Speaker 2: do a podcast, just kind of getting to know each
Speaker 2: other as friends. Meanwhile, in the college football world, we
Speaker 2: had teams like Cal, like South Florida, Boston College, West Virginia,
Speaker 2: even Kansas, all reaching number two in the AP polls.
Speaker 2: We had teams like Notre Dame, Miami and Nebraska clearly
Speaker 2: not having their best seasons. Combined, those three teams went
Speaker 2: a collective thirteen and twenty three, and perhaps the strangest
Speaker 2: thing of all was the fact that LSU won the
Speaker 2: BCS National Championship with yes, you guessed it, two losses. Dan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the easiest case for most interesting year
Speaker 1: of the first place losers we're reviewing, and it's I mean,
Speaker 1: the case is simple. It's there was chaos this year
Speaker 1: and Ohio State was the clear beneficiary. They sort of
Speaker 1: hung around. LSU popped up at the end, But we
Speaker 1: have that wacky do you know who was slated to
Speaker 1: be in the National Championship as of November twenty fifth
Speaker 1: BCS rankings, West Virginia, West Virginia. As you know, they
Speaker 1: lose the backyard Brawl to Pit. I think it's thirteen
Speaker 1: to nine, but it's Missoo. Missoo's coming off of the
Speaker 1: win over Kansas. They then get stomped by Oklahoma. I
Speaker 1: figure personally into all of this because I was at
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's upset loss at Colorado. I watched the South Florida
Speaker 1: Pit upset the night before. I believe it was a
Speaker 1: Friday night. I watched that from a bar in Boulder,
Speaker 1: and that next day was also when Cal upset Oregon
Speaker 1: and there was chaos there and then we finally get
Speaker 1: to the end of the season. In the two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven season, LSU makes the jump from five to
Speaker 1: two thanks to Ryan PARLOEU not intentionally rhyming there, but
Speaker 1: I'm happy it did. Matt Flynn is out for the
Speaker 1: SEC championship game. Ryan Parolou steps in. Is good. LSU
Speaker 1: beats Tennessee. I think Eric Ains throws a couple picks
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and Ohio State is the beneficiary
Speaker 1: of the best defense of their modern era, right. I
Speaker 1: think it's zero point eighty six points per drive allowed.
Speaker 1: They hold Michigan from thirty nine the year before to
Speaker 1: three in two thousand and seven, So the Ohio State
Speaker 1: defense leads the way. They get LSU. And this is
Speaker 1: just a stroke of bad luck in New Orleans, Ty.
Speaker 1: They get LSU in New Orleans. It looks like it's
Speaker 1: going to be a good game and then it just
Speaker 1: sort of isn't. And that's great for LSU fans, not
Speaker 1: so great for Ohio State fans. But what do you
Speaker 1: remember what do you treasure about two thousand and seven itself?
Speaker 1: For the Buckeyes.
Speaker 2: This was two years in a row again where they
Speaker 2: were runners up. And this really was, like I said
Speaker 2: in the previous blurb about six Ohio State, this is
Speaker 2: right around the time with this program is getting annoyingly good,
Speaker 2: and they're there, and I say that lovingly, but annoyingly good.
Speaker 2: They're in it every year. And I remember Ohio State
Speaker 2: being very good on defense. But I also remember the
Speaker 2: fact that Todd Beckman sort of came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Was this no name.
Speaker 2: Compared to Troy Smith who had won the Heisman the
Speaker 2: previous year, And it didn't dawn on me until I
Speaker 2: went back and looked and did the research. But he
Speaker 2: was a big kid. He was six' five two forty.
Speaker 2: Three that's a that's a big freakin'. Dude and he
Speaker 2: was fine as. Quarterback you. Know he didn't give them
Speaker 2: much in the way of, athleticism but he got the
Speaker 2: ball where it needed to. Go he was an effective game,
Speaker 2: manager and they had so much talent around him that
Speaker 2: they were able to piggyback off all that and find
Speaker 2: their way back into THE bcs title. Game SO i
Speaker 2: certainly remember What Jim trump soul built in six and
Speaker 2: then built upon in two thousand and. Seven, honestly my
Speaker 2: lasting impression of This Ohio state team might have been
Speaker 2: the loss To, illinois BECAUSE i remember at the time
Speaker 2: this is such.
Speaker 1: A big deal that they lost To.
Speaker 2: Illinois if it were to happen today in our little,
Speaker 2: world that would classify as a let down look Ahead,
Speaker 2: sandwich because they had come off a win over number Nineteen,
Speaker 2: wisconsin they were at home Against illinois where they LOST
Speaker 2: i think twenty eight twenty one something like, that and
Speaker 2: then the very next week played Against michigan AND i
Speaker 2: think won something like fourteen to. Three so right in
Speaker 2: between in that real like soft underbelly is Where illinois
Speaker 2: showed up at the, horseshoe knocked them, off gave them
Speaker 2: their first loss of the, year and through some fortune
Speaker 2: the rest of the, way as we, said a crazy,
Speaker 2: year they were able to weasel their way into THAT
Speaker 2: bcs title.
Speaker 1: Game, wow weasel their way In Ti damn was a
Speaker 1: team that was a number ONE bcs team a good
Speaker 1: chunk of this.
Speaker 2: Season most of the season they, were so, YEAH i
Speaker 2: remember the loss To. Illinois illinois of course went on
Speaker 2: to play in The Rose bowl and get boat raced
Speaker 2: BY usc. Whatever AND i do, remember certainly the controversy
Speaker 2: around them getting in THAT bcs game they did. Lose
Speaker 2: it was essentially a home game FOR lsu thirty, eight twenty.
Speaker 2: Four and this is a game that we talked about
Speaker 2: not all that long, ago, right.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, Absolutely, NOW i mean towards the end of the,
Speaker 1: season obviously mentioning the topsy turvy nature of two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven and having all sorts of teams at number,
Speaker 1: Two Ohio state they just hang, around they. GO i
Speaker 1: think they start ten and zero before losing To. Illinois
Speaker 1: they're replacing a lot on their defensive. Line but THIS
Speaker 1: i mean soft, underbelly a term you like using tie
Speaker 1: The Big ten and Especially Ohio state's non conference. Schedule
Speaker 1: let's not pretend like they were prepared this year's, team
Speaker 1: especially upfront on, defense for a team as talented AS.
Speaker 1: Lsu this was. Not it was a god Awful minnesota.
Speaker 1: Team by the, way they don't play anybody in the
Speaker 1: non conference part of the. Schedule this Is Anthony, Morelli Penn.
Speaker 1: STATE i know you have your own thoughts about that
Speaker 1: era of Nine ellyan. Football wisconsin's, fine but they're not
Speaker 1: what they are. Now they were ranked at the time
Speaker 1: That Ohio state beats. Them So Ohio state replaces i
Speaker 1: think three starters up front on the line other Than Vernon,
Speaker 1: golston but they return the linebacking cores in the, secondary
Speaker 1: so they're in great shape. Defensively Cameron, hayward Who i'm
Speaker 1: sure a lot of people now know his, name both
Speaker 1: from His Ohio state career and HIS nfl. Career he's a,
Speaker 1: freshman becomes a Freshman All american and An All Big ten.
Speaker 1: Player he's terrific for them, upfront and so they really
Speaker 1: get to this amazing place. Defensively but with your focus
Speaker 1: On Todd beckman comes the fact that comes with, it
Speaker 1: the fact that there's No ted Ginn Antonio, pittman who
Speaker 1: was a big, deal big play guy in the backfield
Speaker 1: For Ohio. State he's. Gone we Have Beanie, Wells Mo.
Speaker 1: Wells you have Apparently Brian ribiski And Brian hartline are
Speaker 1: two different. PEOPLE i don't know really have the breaking
Speaker 1: news sound, wow they are in fact two different. People
Speaker 1: And Brian ribisky drops what should have been a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Catch so no fault Of Todd beckman AGAINST Lsu Brian
Speaker 1: hartline is, fine but if he's your second best, Receiver
Speaker 1: i'm not sure what you're going to be able to
Speaker 1: do against a pretty, good if not really GOOD lsu,
Speaker 1: defense especially up. Front It's Tyson jackson And Ricky Jean
Speaker 1: francois And Glenn. Dorsey so they just they didn't have
Speaker 1: the horses. Tie they didn't have the winter, wonders AS
Speaker 1: i like to call. It some guys are good in the.
Speaker 1: Fall you need the guys who are good In january on.
Speaker 1: Offense Ohio, state outside OF i Guess Beanie, wells they
Speaker 1: just didn't have that. Guy didn't have that guy who
Speaker 1: was to have that guy at a number of positions
Speaker 1: who was on THAT lsu. Team So ali High smith
Speaker 1: is in the is in the linebacking. Corps he was obviously.
Speaker 1: Terrific the second was. Fine we're not talking you Know
Speaker 1: Honey badger Or Patrick. Peterson you know the guys that
Speaker 1: you know this year Obviously Derek. STINGLEY i don't think
Speaker 1: anybody on that specific talent, level but their, speed there's
Speaker 1: aggression and When Ohio state is playing a short, game
Speaker 1: when they're just looking for seven yard outs and they're
Speaker 1: just looking to run the ball between the. Tackles how
Speaker 1: much do you really need from your secondary if they're
Speaker 1: able to cheat and blitz and crowd the line AND
Speaker 1: lsu took.
Speaker 2: Advantage, wow they had trendon holiday on this. Team they
Speaker 2: had on. Offense, Yeah Brandon LaFell, sure early du, SET
Speaker 2: i believe early du. Set, Yeah Jacob, hester he got
Speaker 2: what he. Wanted, yeah a lot of these guys went on.
Speaker 1: The plane in the.
Speaker 2: League BUT i don't know IF i AND i think
Speaker 2: as we saw it crystallize over the next decade or,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't always clear That elisa how to use
Speaker 2: guys like. That they got the most they could out
Speaker 2: Of Jacob, hester but guys Like Brandon lafel and some
Speaker 2: others obviously in their current system might have profited a
Speaker 2: little bit more on the stats. Side but nonetheless they
Speaker 2: win the national. Championship the final was thirty eight to twenty.
Speaker 2: Four going back to the team by team, deathmatch here
Speaker 2: we've got two thousand and FIVE usc against two thousand
Speaker 2: and Seven Ohio. STATE i still THINK i got to
Speaker 2: go two thousand and FIVE usc.
Speaker 1: Here, YEAH i don't think firepower, Wise Ohio state on
Speaker 1: offense has that much to keep. Up even THOUGH i
Speaker 1: think the defense would do a really nice job against
Speaker 1: USC's more deliberate. Offense i'm going to go with. Quarterback
Speaker 1: i'm going to go, with you, know the game, changer
Speaker 1: probably the best open field player ever In Reggie. Bush
Speaker 1: so If Jacob hester was able to get his against
Speaker 1: This Ohio state, DEFENSE i Imagine Reggie bush And Lindell
Speaker 1: white would have been. Fine So i'm going to roll
Speaker 1: WITH usc here And Ohio state just they didn't have
Speaker 1: they didn't put it. Together trestleball was never going to
Speaker 1: be an. Offense it was never going to field an
Speaker 1: offense that could compete with the speed of some of
Speaker 1: the nation's best Until Urban meyer got rid of trestleball
Speaker 1: and did his own. Thing so we now go to
Speaker 1: two thousand and, eight and this is where for me
Speaker 1: it gets. Interesting oh two thousand and eight Is. Oklahoma
Speaker 1: this was a hell of a.
Speaker 2: Year it was a hell of a year two thousand and. Eight,
Speaker 2: now we talked a little bit about this era on
Speaker 2: a previous, show but here is the. Context oklahoma goes
Speaker 2: twelve and one in the two thousand and eight. Season
Speaker 2: they LOST i think forty five thirty five something like
Speaker 2: that In Red river shootout To. Texas that's always Mid, october,
Speaker 2: right run the table the rest of the. Way they
Speaker 2: eventually qualify for THE Bcs National championship against The Florida.
Speaker 2: Gators it was interesting on a number of different, fronts
Speaker 2: not the least of which was it obviously being A
Speaker 2: national championship. Game but one of the big other headliners
Speaker 2: here was the fact that it was Two Heisman trophy
Speaker 2: winning quarterbacks going against one. Another this is only the
Speaker 2: second time it had. Happened it happened a few years
Speaker 2: prior With Matt weiner Against Jason, white But Sam bradford
Speaker 2: as a red shirt sophomore Against Tim tebow was quite
Speaker 2: the top billing. Here it was a hell of a
Speaker 2: year For Sam. Bradford so you'll remember we talked about
Speaker 2: The oklahoma game and The National championship With Paul thompson
Speaker 2: and how that was a. Disaster, Well Sam bradford in
Speaker 2: that old clip is sort of wandering the, sidelines youthful, looking,
Speaker 2: innocent no idea what he's about to become In Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: War Sam bradford won the job the next year and
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight ends up throwing fifty touchdown.
Speaker 1: Passes and winning The. Heisman feels. Good.
Speaker 2: Yeah the offense At oklahoma was incredibly, dynamic over fifty
Speaker 2: points a game on. Average they were beating teams by
Speaker 2: about four touchdowns at a pop sixty points or more
Speaker 2: in five straight games to close out the. Year so
Speaker 2: this is a team that was. Humming they were firing
Speaker 2: on all cylinders going into the. Postseason there was some
Speaker 2: talent on that. Team there was some real talent on that.
Speaker 2: Team DeMarco, murray who actually was At oklahoma five. YEARS
Speaker 2: i didn't realize that UNTIL i went back and, looked
Speaker 2: but took a red shirt and then played out his
Speaker 2: eligibility in, totality he didn't play in THE bcs game
Speaker 2: because he heard his, hamstring but he was on that.
Speaker 2: Team Trent williams was on the offensive. Line there's a
Speaker 2: whole slew of other folks on the offensive side that
Speaker 2: are of interest and certainly household notable names for college football.
Speaker 2: Fans on the defensive, Side oklahoma Was we're not going
Speaker 2: to pretend that this was the shutdown. Defense it was.
Speaker 2: Anything but that, said they were. Fine they were, fine
Speaker 2: and they Had gerald. McCoy joe McCoy went on to
Speaker 2: be a really high draft, pick was An All american
Speaker 2: a couple times. Over it was like a six Time All.
Speaker 2: PRO i don't even know if he's still, playing but
Speaker 2: he clearly was a. Dude and it was funny when
Speaker 2: you were watching back parts of this. Game you were
Speaker 2: texting me last night or this morning basically, saying, like,
Speaker 2: Man gerald, McCoy he just couldn't do it, all could?
Speaker 2: He oh, wait he just got an interception off Of
Speaker 2: Tim tebow dropping back into. Coverage, yeah so there were
Speaker 2: Some there were some real dudes on This oklahoma, team
Speaker 2: and you, know we could talk about the dudes that
Speaker 2: were across from them on The florida. Side but this
Speaker 2: game here definitely had that feel OF sec dominance really
Speaker 2: coming to the. Mainstream it also had the feel of
Speaker 2: like the early makings of The Big, Game Bob. Moniker
Speaker 2: there were a lot of things THAT i think started
Speaker 2: with this game or were kind of like intensified by this.
Speaker 1: Game you go back a couple of, years so this
Speaker 1: IS i think year three Of Kevin wilson as the offensive,
Speaker 1: coordinator this iteration WITH. Ou you, know he does great
Speaker 1: things For northwestern at the turn of the. Century and,
Speaker 1: look The Paul Thompson Boise state experience was very. Entertaining
Speaker 1: but we got to see what An oklahoma offense looked
Speaker 1: like with somebody better suited to run. It And Sam,
Speaker 1: bradford especially after they lose To, texas was a man
Speaker 1: possessed and rightfully won The. Heisman, interestingly there was A big.
Speaker 1: Twelve The Big twelve was the center of college football
Speaker 1: probably this, year right with the three way tie in
Speaker 1: The south Between, Texas Texas, tech And. Oklahoma of, Course
Speaker 1: oklahoma just Murders Texas tech. LATE i think they dropped
Speaker 1: sixty six on the number two team in the. Country
Speaker 1: they lose To, texas and of Course texas famously loses
Speaker 1: To Texas tech and on The Michael crabtree play at
Speaker 1: the end of the game In, lubbock so we have
Speaker 1: a three way. Tie they go to the fifth tiebreaker
Speaker 1: to determine That oklahoma is indeed the team that should
Speaker 1: be going to The Big twelve championship. Game they end
Speaker 1: up storming back and Beating maszoo to get to this.
Speaker 1: Game and you're, RIGHT i think you're under selling the
Speaker 1: defense a little just because of how quickly the offense,
Speaker 1: played and that sort of Left Brent venables probably scrambling
Speaker 1: a bit to rotate in guys and keep guys fresh
Speaker 1: Because gerald McCoy couldn't literally be everywhere as great as he.
Speaker 1: Was Travis lewis was very good behind. Him the secondary
Speaker 1: took some lumps against some very good big twelve, quarterbacks
Speaker 1: but The oklahoma defense, especially it got much better next
Speaker 1: year When venables got used to things a little bit.
Speaker 1: More they were. Fine they were good enough to get
Speaker 1: them to THE Bcs National, championship and they were a great.
Speaker 1: Story they had the, speed they had the talent on.
Speaker 1: Offense like you, Mentioned Jermaine gresham was just fantastic all
Speaker 1: season long and gave them a really difficult matchup element
Speaker 1: for essentially, everybody Including. Florida he was probably the most
Speaker 1: successful offensive player in that game in terms of getting
Speaker 1: open and affecting the. Game it was an Amazing oklahoma
Speaker 1: team to. Watch they weren't fully the modern. Spread Sam
Speaker 1: bradford was under center a good, deal but they would
Speaker 1: get the ball quickly to playmakers in, space as people
Speaker 1: like to, say and guys Like Chris brown And DeMarco
Speaker 1: murray And Joaquin, iglesias a Young Ryan. Broyles they just tormented,
Speaker 1: everybody and they did it, Quickly they did it with,
Speaker 1: pace they did it without. Huddling it was you can't
Speaker 1: tell AND i know our Pal Bill connolly just wrote
Speaker 1: all about, this but you can't tell the story of
Speaker 1: the modern spread without the utter destruction laid at the
Speaker 1: feet of The big twelve By. Oklahoma and so when
Speaker 1: they get To, florida you think to, yourself, well both
Speaker 1: these teams are, fast both these teams are, talented both
Speaker 1: these teams of All. Americans we've got A heisman, Winner
Speaker 1: we've got this battering ram And Tim tebow and the
Speaker 1: speed Of Percy harvin and this absurd secondary what's gonna
Speaker 1: come of? It and it was just a fast. Game
Speaker 1: it kind of lived up to the billing, ultimately, though
Speaker 1: And i'm sure you have thoughts here, too it Was
Speaker 1: florida's general speed on defense winning. Moments it was seven
Speaker 1: all going into halftime Because Sam bradford throws a pick
Speaker 1: at the goal, line and just the resilience OF i
Speaker 1: Guess florida's rushing game just they're Battering oklahoma down the
Speaker 1: field With Tim tebow And Percy, harvin and you, know
Speaker 1: whether It's Jeff demps Or Chris, haney it's just play
Speaker 1: after play after, play and it just Wore oklahoma. Down,
Speaker 1: YEAH i Mean oklahoma was not.
Speaker 2: Themselves they were not AND i don't know if it's
Speaker 2: Because DeMarco murray wasn't out there on the, field but
Speaker 2: they were a shell of their former self in the rushing,
Speaker 2: department Whereas. Florida florida had a number of. Options tebow
Speaker 2: was of course the headliner that, year but you Mentioned Chris,
Speaker 2: Rainey Jeff, demps Even Percy harvin got. Smack Em Manuel
Speaker 2: moody was on that so they had a number of
Speaker 2: guys and it Was it was just so interesting the
Speaker 2: way That Urban meyer constructed that team because it just
Speaker 2: those three, Names, Rainy, demps And. Harvin all of them
Speaker 2: were incredibly fast and could be used a variety of different.
Speaker 2: Ways it extends into the receiving game. Too Percy harvin
Speaker 2: so many different ways that you could play him if
Speaker 2: you wanted to put him out wider in the, slaughter
Speaker 2: out of the, backfield he was a matchup. Disadvantage Lewis
Speaker 2: murphy was on that, team sort of underrated but got
Speaker 2: a lot of action And Aaron. Hernandez you, know we'll
Speaker 2: take all the bad stuff, aside But Aaron hernandez was
Speaker 2: a big time matchup disadvantage for, defenses so so much
Speaker 2: versatility on that offense that it was very difficult to.
Speaker 2: Defend and as we said at the top of this
Speaker 2: blurb about oh, Wait, oklahoma the defense is. Fine we're
Speaker 2: not here to disparage the, defense but it was certainly
Speaker 2: not their. Specialty they did a good job in this.
Speaker 2: Game we did a good job keeping it close in this,
Speaker 2: game and, truly if not for like two possessions that went,
Speaker 2: haywire they could have won this.
Speaker 1: Game, yeah And Tim tebow was really good on the.
Speaker 1: Ground he has a jump pass at the goal line
Speaker 1: which works out, well but he was okay through the.
Speaker 1: Air he wasn't, bad but he Wasn't he didn't lead
Speaker 1: the way with his. PASSING i know people are shocked
Speaker 1: knowing that he's A hall Of fame passer now and
Speaker 1: setting all sorts OF nfl. Records his picks were not,
Speaker 1: good his interceptions were not. Good he was. Hesitant but
Speaker 1: when you were built like he, was And oklahoma just
Speaker 1: doesn't have the depth of, talent it's you, know it's
Speaker 1: an immovable force versus what's the phrase, Time i'm very tired,
Speaker 1: now but an unstoppable force against immovable. Objects. Yeah so
Speaker 1: you have The gerald McCoy led, front but at a
Speaker 1: certain point they just wore down The oklahoma. Front AND
Speaker 1: i came away very impressed overall With oklahoma's two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight again the mere fact that we have a
Speaker 1: three way. Tie and by the, Way, Texas Texas, tech
Speaker 1: And oklahoma were all presented with big Twelve south, trophies
Speaker 1: which is sort of absurd that such a trophy, exists
Speaker 1: but they're all presented with. It and we get this championship,
Speaker 1: game WHICH i think is what everybody. Wanted After Sam
Speaker 1: bradford wins The, heisman maybe outside Of austin And, lubbock
Speaker 1: But alabama comes relatively. Close, Right alabama GOES i think they're.
Speaker 1: Undefeated they go twelve to zero into THE sec championship,
Speaker 1: game And Tim tebow actually has an awesome game In
Speaker 1: atlanta Against John, Parker, Wilson Glenn, coffee a Young Julio,
Speaker 1: jones but not What alabama what what they would. Become
Speaker 1: those were Not winter. WONDERS i would, Say Glen coffee
Speaker 1: And John Parker. Wilson but would they have been enough
Speaker 1: to Beat? Oklahoma? Perhaps, perhaps but they definitely were not
Speaker 1: enough to Beat, utah who actually finished number two in
Speaker 1: the FINAL bcs, standings going thirteen TO zh Beating alabama
Speaker 1: in The Sugar.
Speaker 2: BOWL i am inclined to go oh Eight oklahoma over
Speaker 2: over at FIVE sc over FIVE.
Speaker 1: Sc so the CASE i think is pretty easy For.
Speaker 1: OKLAHOMA i don't think it's an easy. Game but if
Speaker 1: you were going to exploit USC's weakness that, year it's
Speaker 1: probably their. Corners and while you know it's it's not
Speaker 1: clear That Joaquin iglesias and a Young Ryan broyles are
Speaker 1: killers on the, outside that offense is pretty perfectly suited
Speaker 1: to take DOWN. Sc SO i could see that for.
Speaker 2: SURE i Think i'm gonna, go oh, Wait, Oklahoma i'm
Speaker 2: gonna do. It it goes against better, judgment AND i
Speaker 2: just love those TWO sc teams in four and, Five
Speaker 2: but they have Beaten florida.
Speaker 1: Man florida was, Loaded clorida was. FLOADED i think how
Speaker 1: many times out of, ten how many times out of
Speaker 1: one hundred if this game is simulated In Elon musk's,
Speaker 1: simulation how many times Does oklahoma Beat florida on a
Speaker 1: neutral field with by the, Way Tom, BRENNAMAN i think
Speaker 1: three straight national championships With Tom brennaman calling all one hundred.
Speaker 2: Simulations, well in simulations they could they could win forty
Speaker 2: percent of the. GAMES i don't, Know, OKAY i don't
Speaker 2: think it's that.
Speaker 1: HIGH i THINK i could not believe The florida secondary
Speaker 1: was what it was that. Night Genor's, Jenkins Joe, Hayden
Speaker 1: Ahmad black And Major. Wright that's. Serious that is, very very.
Speaker 1: Serious AND i don't Think oklahoma if you play this
Speaker 1: game over and over, again especially Without DeMarco murray as
Speaker 1: just an an option leaking out of the backfield for
Speaker 1: over four. Quarters but what About but what ABOUT? SC
Speaker 1: i Think florida is in a better pasi to win
Speaker 1: that game because of their speed on. DEFENSE i don't
Speaker 1: love their defensive, line BUT i think It's Brandon spikes
Speaker 1: And Brandon hicks at linebacker along with that secondary And Tim.
Speaker 1: Tebow if we're talking about a physically imposing quarterback with
Speaker 1: the ability to inflict damage with his, legs we KNOW
Speaker 1: usc didn't do well against that specific. Prescription So i'm
Speaker 1: going to Say florida. Here, okay all, right let's. Disagree
Speaker 1: how many? Ease?
Speaker 2: NO i agree with, you okay. Wholeheartedly do you how
Speaker 2: do you feel about The oklahoma VERSUS c.
Speaker 1: THING i Like. OKLAHOMA i, MEAN i THINK i think
Speaker 1: it's sort of a fifty to fifty toss up situation
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i don't know how they Cover Dwayne. JARRETT i
Speaker 1: don't know how they you, know there's just so many
Speaker 1: different problems with That Lane kiffin offense to have to deal.
Speaker 1: WITH i don't. Love we Saw Percy harvin get loose
Speaker 1: a couple of. TIMES i Imagine Reggie bush could also
Speaker 1: against This oklahoma. Defense so it's more of a toss
Speaker 1: up to. ME i THINK i WOULD i would probably
Speaker 1: give the big game coaching nod To Pete carroll Over
Speaker 1: Bob stoops if we're looking at track, record So i'd
Speaker 1: say seventy thirty PROBABLY. Usc but it's it's very, close
Speaker 1: AND i can understand why you would Take oklahoma because
Speaker 1: of the. Matchup all, right, well let's let's do. This
Speaker 1: let's keep with two thousand and FIVE.
Speaker 2: Usc, okay BECAUSE i think it's interesting now as we
Speaker 2: go to two thousand and, nine our final team that
Speaker 2: we're looking at on this show two thousand and nine
Speaker 2: would Be. Texas we've already talked about this game and
Speaker 2: what happened in this, game Notably cold McCoy getting, hurt
Speaker 2: his arm going, numb then Freshman Garrett gilbert coming in
Speaker 2: and throwing four. Picks, Ultimately texas loses in The Rose
Speaker 2: bowl To alabama thirty seven to twenty. One you AND
Speaker 2: i debated the merits of their late. Comeback they did
Speaker 2: make a run at, It alabama pulled away, Late, okay
Speaker 2: but the headline here Is colt McCoy getting, hurt and
Speaker 2: prior to, That texas was in a remarkable spot thirteen to.
Speaker 2: Zero couple close calls throughout the course of the. Year
Speaker 2: really good, Team colt, McCoy Jordan. Shipley that was the.
Speaker 2: Offense let's not kid. Ourselves that was the offense in
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine for The Texas. Longhorns that, Year
Speaker 2: Jordan shipley caught one hundred and sixteen balls for fourteen
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five yards and thirteen. Touchdowns, Right colt
Speaker 2: McCoy threw twenty seven, touchdowns so not quite half of,
Speaker 2: them but pretty damn close to half of those touchdowns
Speaker 2: went to his boy, Roommate Jordan, SHIPLEY i, believe older.
Speaker 1: Brother Of, jackson older brother Of. Case this was an
Speaker 1: interesting spot.
Speaker 2: Here it was a good defense to compliment that two men,
Speaker 2: offense and they ran into An alabama team that was
Speaker 2: very loaded at the, time very loaded at the. Time
Speaker 2: this is A greg McElroy. OFFENSE i know you love
Speaker 2: WHEN i put him at the. Top but we're talking
Speaker 2: about guys Like Mark ingram And Trent richardson carrying the.
Speaker 2: Ball we're talking about receivers Like Julio, Jones Marquise mays
Speaker 2: was on that. TEAM a whole host of talent on,
Speaker 2: defense not the least of which we Are, Yeah orlando,
Speaker 2: McLain Mark, Baron Javier, Arenas Marcel darius as you, Mentioned
Speaker 2: Mount cody on that. Team so there's a lot of
Speaker 2: talent on That alabama. Side it's no secret why they
Speaker 2: won that. Game but what strikes you looking back At
Speaker 2: texas and nine and specifically as you try to compare
Speaker 2: them to some of the other teams that we've discussed,
Speaker 2: Here so.
Speaker 1: The defense takes a step back as much as or the,
Speaker 1: offense excuse, me takes a step, back the defense actually
Speaker 1: gets better even though they lose guys up. FRONT i
Speaker 1: think they Lost BRIAN. A rackpo from two thousand and.
Speaker 1: Eight Sergio kindall's still, There Earl thomas still. There the
Speaker 1: secondary is very good and it was for a long
Speaker 1: time With DWAYNE. A, kina who is just like the
Speaker 1: defensive back whisper For. Texas so they lose a key
Speaker 1: playmaker on offense In Kwan cosby who really helped to
Speaker 1: stretch the. FIELD i Think colt McCoy set a record
Speaker 1: for completion percentage in two thousand and. Eight it was
Speaker 1: like it was like seventy six. Percent it was, cartoonish
Speaker 1: and so THE i think the shame is that the
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight squad wasn't playing healthfully Against, alabama not.
Speaker 1: Necessarily the two thousand and nine a really impressive. Defense
Speaker 1: strange to See texas without a running. Game this is
Speaker 1: Post Jamal, charles and you, know they just can't seem
Speaker 1: to get it. Gone It's Trey newton as their leading.
Speaker 1: Rusher but all things, considered they do survive some close
Speaker 1: calls in The big. Twelve that includes what the best
Speaker 1: Modern big twelve defense probably, yeah in two thousand and
Speaker 1: Nine's nebraska And domakin Sue Bo polini just mad house of.
Speaker 1: Horrors so they survived that game in the literal last,
Speaker 1: seconds and they make it to THE Bcs championship. Game
Speaker 1: they hang around really all season, long in the top
Speaker 1: two or. Three the scares don't really drop them that.
Speaker 1: Much they end up not losing to anybody Until, alabama
Speaker 1: and even, then even, then With Garrett gilbert going fifteen
Speaker 1: to forty and throwing the interceptions that he, does it's
Speaker 1: still a game. Late so if we're SAYING usc could have,
Speaker 1: won if we're Saying, oklahoma maybe not often in a
Speaker 1: hundred game, simulation but they had, enough you, know if
Speaker 1: certain things break correctly to Beat. Florida the way that
Speaker 1: that team came, TOGETHER i think you have to say
Speaker 1: the two thousand and Nine texas, team for all of its,
Speaker 1: flaws this is the Year Nick saban's Death star Of
Speaker 1: alabama became. Operational what they were upfront two thousand and,
Speaker 1: eight they were getting, there but they weren't there with
Speaker 1: the offensive skill positions like they were With Mark ingram
Speaker 1: And Trent, richardson and the depth of talent that they
Speaker 1: built on defense was starting to become pretty. Scary so
Speaker 1: For Garrett gilbert to pull That texas team. Back i'm
Speaker 1: going to, say, yes they absolutely could have, one but
Speaker 1: because it Was Garrett Gilbert's i'm going to nick them
Speaker 1: a few points and Say i'm not putting them up
Speaker 1: against probably many of the first place losers of the
Speaker 1: four years. Prior but, still all things, considered this was
Speaker 1: a damn Impressive texas. Team this is A will Muss champ.
Speaker 1: Defense this is an experienced offense that just didn't HAVE
Speaker 1: i Guess winter wonders once again Without colt, McCoy Without,
Speaker 1: kuwank Without Jamal, charles guys that were just so good
Speaker 1: for them in the couple years leading. Up they just couldn't.
Speaker 1: Hang they couldn't, run even though it was extremely close.
Speaker 2: Late you're giving it a little too much, credit AM.
Speaker 2: I though you're giving, it you're giving. Again i'll come
Speaker 2: back to the previous argument we had on a different.
Speaker 2: Show but, like this game was over early And alabama
Speaker 2: Let texas back into. It, wait, No Grek gilbert was
Speaker 2: awful in this. Game he Made he was awful, mostly
Speaker 2: but he did make. Plays you were, Saying, alabama this
Speaker 2: is just we're rerunning an. Argument we had a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks, Ago alabama tried very very. Hard alabama's offense
Speaker 2: put the defense in a very bad spot by going
Speaker 2: three and out a lot in the second. Half alabama's
Speaker 2: defense was. Trying Garrett gilbert threw over this defense a little,
Speaker 2: bit right?
Speaker 1: Now is it twenty is it? Not hold? On hold?
Speaker 1: On you don't need to buy, anything, ty it was
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty one, late, right that's. Irrefutable it's
Speaker 1: twenty four twenty One texas ball with three minutes. Left that's, fact. Right,
Speaker 1: Okay so if we're gonna say ten Point florida Over
Speaker 1: oklahoma is within reason For, oklahoma FOR. Ou if we're
Speaker 1: going to, say you, Know Ohio state AGAINST, lsu which
Speaker 1: was you, know started out pretty well for O, house
Speaker 1: THE i don't think they had much of a chance.
Speaker 1: There if we're gonna SAY usc has a chance close,
Speaker 1: late we have to talk About gilbert completing passes against
Speaker 1: a Good alabama defense at. TIMES i don't. Know twenty
Speaker 1: four to twenty one three minutes, Left, Okay, well, anyway
Speaker 1: up against the rest of the, teams the text let's
Speaker 1: shot Against, Beckman let's do.
Speaker 2: This let's see. This let's assume That colt McCoy. PLAYS
Speaker 2: i think that he started the. Game he started the,
Speaker 2: game but let's assume he doesn't get. Hurt, now let's
Speaker 2: compare Nine texas against for starters FIVE. Usc, okay where
Speaker 2: do you come down in that?
Speaker 1: Matchup i'm FAVORING. SC i don't Think texas has the
Speaker 1: receivers LIKE i, Mentioned oklahoma sort of did the previous.
Speaker 1: YEAR i don't think outside Of Jordan, shipley they had
Speaker 1: the advantage going against THE usc. Secondary So i'll TAKE.
Speaker 2: USC i am intrigued by That texas team and their
Speaker 2: offense against a really good defense In Ohio state both.
Speaker 1: Years, Really colt McCoy texas did Play Ohio state in
Speaker 1: two thousand and, six SO i can't tell you what.
Speaker 1: Happened it was a Young colt. McCoy it was a different,
Speaker 1: team But Ohio state beat him twenty four to seven IN. DKR.
Speaker 1: Yep that's pretty. GOOD. Yep so we know the, ants.
Speaker 1: Sir different different, Team but we know About colt McCoy
Speaker 1: Against Ohio. State what ABOUT Oad, oklahoma Ohait oklahoma against
Speaker 1: two thousand and Nine, Texas, Right so what's the difference
Speaker 1: BETWEEN Oad oklahoma and two thousand and Nine OKLAHOMA i
Speaker 1: guess now Is Sam. Brett, yeah now's not not much,
Speaker 1: really It's Sam bradford. Injury, yeah in two thousand and.
Speaker 1: Nine So oklahoma falls to a very average offense IN o,
Speaker 1: nine but Oad oklahoma AGAINST o Nine. Texas If texas
Speaker 1: is a little bit worse and they were ten points
Speaker 1: better than them the year, before they're a little bit
Speaker 1: better on, defense but a little bit worse on, offense
Speaker 1: or noticeably worse on. OFFENSE i Think oklahoma has the,
Speaker 1: edge but not by, much because at least we have
Speaker 1: a good chunk of data about that.
Speaker 2: Matchup BUT i Think i'm hearing here is if we are,
Speaker 2: ranking we've got five usc that we're going to take with.
Speaker 1: Us to the.
Speaker 2: Next show that we do talking about runners, up followed
Speaker 2: pretty closely by Eight, oklahoma followed by Nine, TEXAS i would,
Speaker 2: say followed BY oh Six Ohio state With Troy, smith
Speaker 2: followed by Seven Ohio state With Todd.
Speaker 1: Beckmann Oh beckman as the last, place yeah, MAN i don't.
Speaker 1: Know that may have been the best defense of those. Five.
Speaker 1: Yeah so it's, BASICALLY i, mean who would you take
Speaker 1: between Six Ohio state AND o Seven Ohio. State pray
Speaker 1: Go Troy, Smith Troy smith being the difference, MAKER i think. So,
Speaker 1: YEAH i think he gave him the defense one year
Speaker 1: Older Todd, BECKMAN i think. So BUT i think the
Speaker 1: best thing on the field between those two squads is
Speaker 1: the seven. Defense i'd probably end up taking. That i'd
Speaker 1: probably end up taking the. Defense we saw what the
Speaker 1: offensive line Of Ohio state would look like against a
Speaker 1: pretty nasty defensive. LINE i actually might take this very
Speaker 1: incestuous seven team over.
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Speaker 1: What your thoughts are on the. Matter.
Speaker 2: Here it has been, fun, actually not just to go
Speaker 2: back through and rewatch old games now obviously we've got
Speaker 2: a lot of time to do, that but to do
Speaker 2: something like this where you actually get to look at
Speaker 2: it over a five year, chunk and we're gonna do
Speaker 2: more of. Them we're going to continue to do this
Speaker 2: over the next few, episodes to look at runners up
Speaker 2: and really talk about individual seasons and how things broke,
Speaker 2: down because you kind of forget as time goes on
Speaker 2: some of the interesting and cool things that happen over
Speaker 2: the span of a, season and you know where we're
Speaker 2: in this mode of talking About alabama And clemson so
Speaker 2: often you forget about some of the other teams that have.
Speaker 2: Challenged So i'm excited to keep. GOING i guess next
Speaker 2: time it'll be twenty, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen and, fourteen,
Speaker 2: correct which means we get to talk About Notre.
Speaker 1: Dame And oregon And, oregon AND i think we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna go pretty quickly Through Oregon auburn because we've
Speaker 1: already sort of discussed that at. Nauseum but, yeah twenty
Speaker 1: twelve is a crazy. Year we've got A heisman winner
Speaker 1: And Marcus mariota twenty, fourteen so that'll be.
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Speaker 1: yeah Attention. Tie Now i'm the one WHO i think
Speaker 1: my batting average is lower on this episode BECAUSE i
Speaker 1: have the Loggeria. TIE i like to going through a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of games and teams and. Players BUT i
Speaker 1: had a ton of fun rewatching these old games and
Speaker 1: watching where they were not as. Strong teams were not
Speaker 1: as strong AS i thought they, were or a lot, stronger,
Speaker 1: faster more impressive THAN i remember them, being especially Those
Speaker 1: Ohio state teams on. Defense so, yeah let us know
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Speaker 1: First Place losers moving forward from two thousand to twenty
Speaker 1: ten season through the twenty nineteen. Season all, Right well
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