1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbo. I'm that for me. I'm 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well, 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: for Dake Edith Steak. 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: Is that whoo whoom? And now Dan and Tie, welcome 6 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 2: back to the Solid Purple Boys and Girls. My name 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: is Ty hilden Brandt, joining me from away, still way 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: over there in southern California. 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: The one and only Dan Rubinstein, Sir, how are you? Ty? 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm terrific And I like painting pictures for not just you, 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: but for everybody listening, because this is not a visual medium, 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: so I have to do so with my words. And 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: as I record this in the makeshift clofice, which is 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: an actual closet, not a walk in closet like I 15 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: have back East. But as I record this in the 16 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: makeshift clo office, there is a bar from which clothes 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: normally hang, and I use it to brace myself just 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: so I have balance as I record, because the microphone 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: is on top of a dresser, and I have some 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: pillows strewn around here to sort of calm everything down 21 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: sound wise. But I hold on to this because the 22 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: takes that I am about to put forth into the 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: college football universe about mid Aught's very good teams. Tye, 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to launch myself backwards. I'm just ready 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: to roll. 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: It sounds a little bit like you're going over the 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: top style. You've seen that movie with Sliced alone, right, 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: of course, he has the little contraption in the big 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: rig with him as he's going and he just works 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: out with that right arm the whole time. 31 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: Ty I'm not touching that in the way that a 32 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: lot of people are going to be saying, that's what 33 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: she said. But I'm just going to tell you you're 34 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: not wrong. You are absolutely not wrong. And I came 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: up with the concept for this show a mirror twenty 36 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: four hours ago. 37 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, as is not something we've blocked ideas on the 38 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: soliverbl This came up. 39 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: Last night, I believe. But there is something about re 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: educating oneself through reading, watching tape and thinking things over 41 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: with a twenty twenty brain as you watch mid Ots 42 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: college football that I think is illuminating. I think it's refreshing, 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: and I think gives gives it least me. I can't 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: speak for you a new perspective. As we start our 45 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: three part first place Losers series first place Losers. 46 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: So we're going to get into that in a second. 47 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: Dan can explain exactly what this concept entails. But hello 48 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: on ty, He's Dan. We are the solid verbal. We're 49 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 2: a year round college football podcast. We still don't know 50 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: exactly when we're gonna get or if we're gonna get 51 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: college football in twenty twenty. We are certainly hoping for that, right, 52 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, we shall see though. In the meantime, thank 53 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us. We will be with 54 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: you all off season long, for however long that off 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: season lasts. 56 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: If you do like the show, don't forget to subscribe. 57 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: Out there on Spotify, out there on Apple or Google. 58 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: Wherever you get your shows, you can find ours. There 59 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 2: is also a subreddit started and maintained by our good 60 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: friend Peter. Just go to soliverbal dot reddit dot com. 61 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: And if you don't already follow us on social media, 62 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: you can do so on Twitter, on Facebook, and on Instagram. Also, 63 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: the YouTube channel is up and running now because we've 64 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: been doing these nightly trivia streams, these nightly just I 65 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: don't know friends streams. 66 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: I guess it is probably the worst way to categorize it. 67 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: But Dan and I'd just like to connect up and 68 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: do some video and talk to the masses. So we've 69 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: been doing that every night at around five pm Eastern time. 70 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: So if you want more of the show, that is 71 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 2: certainly another avenue for you to pursue. 72 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Dan, it absolutely is. I'm ready to get into first 73 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: place losers, are you? 74 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: So explain this to me again? So I am clear 75 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: being so I am one half of this show. 76 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: So there is the of course, people know that second 77 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: place is just first place loser, right, that the second 78 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: place is never going to be good enough. You should 79 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: never be proud of a silver medal. Almost receiving the 80 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 1: bronze is there's somewhat more dignity than having the opportunity 81 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: to win gold and coming up just shorts. I wanted 82 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: to go back to before we actually started doing the 83 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: solid verbal, but not too far back. So we are 84 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: starting with the two thousand and five season, so it 85 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: would be the two thousand and six National championship. So 86 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: we have second place teams of the last fifteen years. 87 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: We're doing the first five years today and the goal 88 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: is to both honor and see how close that first 89 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: place loser came to just finishing the season in first place, 90 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: because the champions, they're the ones that get the parades, 91 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: they're the ones that get the DVDs, they're the ones 92 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: that get honored at halftime of various games, and that 93 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 1: they're the immortal ones. And so Just Short of Immortality 94 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: is a may podcast dedicated dedicated to your success, which 95 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: I believe as somebody who is arguably the most experienced 96 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: first place loser in rooting for the Oregon Ducks, who 97 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: have lost two national championships in the last fifteen years, 98 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: You've watched your team lose one national championship and it 99 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: should be noted one playoff game in spectacular fashion. Correct. 100 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: I feel like this is squarely within our wheelhouse to 101 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: honor teams who either came up just short or well 102 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: short when given the opportunity to win the national championship 103 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: and sort of talk about the context, talk about the 104 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: season at large, and just how close they actually came 105 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: to winning, because, as you know as a Notre Dame fan, 106 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: the heartbreaking losses stay with you longer than the wonderful wins. Right. 107 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: I think that's right. You're a competitive guy a little bit, Yeah, 108 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 2: you could say that. I think that's fair. No, that 109 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 2: that that kick, the Boston College kick still haunts me. 110 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: I talked about it previously on one. 111 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: Of our shows, but that that still haunts me, that kick, 112 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: And you know, i'd imagine if you're an Alabama fan listening, 113 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: the kick six is something that resonates still in a 114 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: very emotional fashion. Fans of all teams kind of find 115 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 2: themselves in that category and first place losers, I think 116 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: gets to that a little bit. Some of the games 117 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: that I think we're going to go through certainly have 118 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: that that heartbreaking ending for some fan bases. 119 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: Others do not. 120 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: Others do not have that at all. So we'll really 121 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: run the gamut here on some of these teams that 122 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: essentially finished second place, how their season ended, and in 123 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: what fashion it did that that left them kind of 124 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: on the outside looking in, not holding that trophy on 125 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: the podium with one Bill Hancock. But we can get 126 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 2: into that here. What what is the what is the 127 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: structure of this? So we're starting with the two thousand 128 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: and five regular season in USC. 129 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: Yes, we're starting with two thousand and five USC. And 130 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: we're not gonna labor two thousand and five USC too 131 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: much because we actually did just talk about them with 132 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: Yogi Roth looking back at the put the Bush push game. 133 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: So we're gonna look back at why they got to 134 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: the championship game, like what got them there and then 135 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: why they lost and could they have won those I 136 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: think those are the three pillows, pillows, pillars or pillows 137 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: that you can rest your head on for each of 138 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: these teams. And I'm going to go through this really quickly. 139 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: With two thousand and five USC, you know, Pete Carroll 140 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: was the head coach and the defensive coordinator Lane Kiffin 141 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: was running the offense. They have the close game against 142 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: Notre Dame, they have the comeback against ASU. They run 143 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: through the Pac ten otherwise they you know, they murder 144 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: Oregon and UCLA and everybody knows it's Matt Lioner, Reggie Bush, 145 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: Lendel White. They end up against Texas. The defense, this 146 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: is something that was at least knew again for me. 147 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: And I don't know how much you remember about the 148 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: two thousand and five USC defense, but they didn't really 149 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: stack the depth chart, stock the depth chart whatever. No, 150 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: with no the lud chip talent leading up to the 151 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: Texas game. It was actually the year of the Texas game. 152 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: Two thousand and five. There were freshmen that came in 153 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: that were pretty highly touted on defense. But anybody who watched, 154 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: especially the back end of that USC defense tried to 155 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: tackle Vince Young, knows that this was not an electric, 156 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: hard hitting, fundamentally sound, open field tackling team. 157 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: No, it wasn't, and you know that's been a thing 158 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: for USC for quite some time, to be honest. But this, again, 159 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: just to provide some context, was a very good USC team. Obviously, 160 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 2: they made the Rose Bowl. This was the season that 161 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: led up to that famed two thousand and six Rose 162 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: Bowl game that they lost to Texas and Vince Young 163 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: forty one to thirty eight, one of the greatest games 164 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: ever played by many accounts. But let me ask you this, 165 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: what was what was USC's official. 166 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: Record in the five six season. Do you know, well, 167 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: the librarian in you is probably going to say, like, 168 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: whatever the sanctions dictate the record was, but it was 169 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: twelve and oh during the regular season, twelve and one. 170 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: Overall, the official record books, I believe classify it as 171 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: oh and oh, oh and o oh and oh because 172 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: of the vacation of wins. Now, there is some debate 173 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: over whether or not the loss still counts, so depending 174 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: on your perspective, it's either O and O or OH 175 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: to one. But that was one of the seasons that 176 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: was supposedly wiped out due to the NCAA swooping in 177 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: being the White Knights that they are and cracking down 178 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: after the Reggie Bush stuff. So lo and behold we 179 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: get to the Rose Bowl. You know, a lot of 180 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: this stuff is is a formality, an administrative type stuff, 181 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: but one of the greatest games I've ever seen played. 182 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: As you said, we talked about this USC team in 183 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 2: a previous show, being so we recapped the Bush push. 184 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: The talent on this team, though from an offensive standpoint, 185 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: was pretty incredible, And again we won't replay the show 186 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: that we did before, but there was a lot of 187 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 2: firepower on this offense, Matt Lioner. We had Reggie Bush, 188 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: we had Lendale White, We had a really good receiving corps. 189 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: Specifically with this game though, this National Championship game. You 190 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: mentioned it to me last night, and I did have 191 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: a chance to go back and scrub through it again today. 192 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: They had so many chances to win this damn game. 193 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: You know, it's going to go down in history as 194 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: an amazing individual effort by Vince Young, a record setting performance, 195 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: but even he gave USC a bunch of chances to 196 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: win this game and they could not take advantage of it. 197 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 2: USC in two thousand and five is going to go 198 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: down as one of the better teams, certainly in this 199 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 2: generation of college football. Unfortunately for them second place. They 200 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: lost to Texas in this game, but they did have 201 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: their chances. 202 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: Should point out they were the defending national champion and 203 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: USC and Texas went wire to wire as one and 204 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: two before flipping at two becomes one and one becomes 205 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,079 Speaker 1: two once Texas wins this game, And obviously the answer is, yes, 206 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: USC had many chances to put away this game, but 207 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: great teams closed ty and that's what Texas was. That's 208 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: what Vince Young was a great closer. But here's what 209 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: struck me watching back this game, because we all just 210 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: sort of remember Vince Young running into the corner of 211 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: the end zone and the confetti and everything like that. Again, rightfully, 212 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: so as superhuman effort, Texas does zero in the first quarter. 213 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: Pretty they come out sloppy and undisciplined. They probably would 214 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: have lost one of their starting safeties to targeting if 215 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: it were twenty twenty. It wasn't even like a close 216 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: was he He tried to decapitate a full back Cedric 217 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: Griffin did on a wheel route and almost did. Also 218 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: three Texas fumbles in the first seventeen minutes and then 219 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: not including but then another one in the fourth quarter, 220 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: so amazing fumble luck, which great, great, it's good to 221 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: have fumble luck. Vince Young does not get called down 222 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: at the USC ten yard line before he pitches it 223 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: for a Texas touchdown for them to go up I 224 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: believe nine to seven early and there's a play that 225 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: I had completely forgotten about. USC's up twelve with five 226 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: and a half or so minutes left. Vince Young rolls 227 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: out to the left, is in the midst of being sacked, 228 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: throws the ball away from his body like thirty yards 229 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: across the field, straight up into double coverage, and one 230 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: of the I think was one of the Ting brothers, 231 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: instead of coming down with the game sealing interception, simply 232 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: swatted it away and Vince Young a couple of plays later, 233 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: I think ninety seconds later, runs it in to cut 234 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: it to a one score game. That would have iced 235 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: the game. So from I don't know if we're using 236 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten or one to two 237 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: thousand and two Miami, whatever we want to call it. 238 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: USC one thousand percent had the chance to win this game, 239 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: which I assume makes things all the more painful. 240 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: So what I think would be fun to do is, 241 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 2: as we're going through, maybe like war style, we can 242 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: compare two thousand and five USC to our next team, 243 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 2: which would be two thousand and six Ohio State. Oh 244 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 2: I like this, you know, like which team's like? I 245 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: think I already know which team's better. But we can 246 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: get into two thousand and six US or two thousand 247 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: and six Ohio State. 248 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: Excuse me if you're ready for that. If you're okay 249 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: with that, I am ready for that. And then the 250 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: comparison is not terribly difficult. We have two Heisman quarterbacks, 251 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: Troy Smith for Ohio State and Matt Lionert wins it 252 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: a couple of years before, and only one of the 253 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: teams beats Texas on their way to the national championship 254 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: at least appearance, and is not USC, but rather Ohio State. 255 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: They beat Texas twenty four to seven early on in 256 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: the season. They of course have that tight, tight shootout 257 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: against Michigan forty two to thirty nine. That left some people, 258 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: because they were one and two in the country, saying, 259 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: should there be a rematch in the National Championship Game. 260 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: The answer is no, Ty, The answer is no. What 261 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: do you remember about two thousand and six Ohio State 262 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: if anything, because I have some notes? 263 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: Well, so, first off, again context, this is an Ohio 264 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: State team that finished twelve to one after the season. 265 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: They got smoked by Florida in the BCS game forty 266 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: one to fourteen. But what's what's important to note about 267 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: Ohio State is that this was right when the program 268 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: was hitting critical mass and firing up the engines that 269 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: are in effect still running fifteen years later. You know, 270 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: they won the two thousand and three Fiesta Bowl. They 271 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: knocked off Miami. We talked about that game previously. They 272 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: had a really good run in between then and where 273 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: we're at now, which is when they got back to 274 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: the BCS Championship game. This was the number one team 275 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: in the country all year long until they lost that 276 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: BCS game, and they had a really good defense that 277 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: was sort of a hallmark of this era of Ohio State. 278 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: Maybe not quite as good as they were the following year, 279 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: which we'll get into, but a really good defense that 280 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: had high level talent. Vernon Golston got drafted, you know, 281 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: I want to say sixth overall maybe by the Jets. 282 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: Along the couple of years, yeah, along that defensive front, 283 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: James Laura Nidis who of course had a really good year, 284 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 2: Malcolm Jenkins who went on to have a really good 285 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: NFL career. Troy Smith, you mentioned, won the Heisman in 286 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: the school, seventh Heisman Trophy winner. So there were some 287 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: headliners on this team, and I just remember the one 288 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: prevailing thought I had, thinking back and certainly living through 289 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: the era, was I always had a hard time trying 290 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: to project Troy Smith forward, you know, like, is this 291 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: guy going to actually play in the NFL. I always 292 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: had a hard time with that, especially with quarterbacks that 293 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: won the Heisman Trophy because a lot of them, as 294 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: you know, don't pan out. But Troy Smith, to me, 295 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 2: it just I don't know why he gave me a 296 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: hard time trying to figure that out. I've obviously he 297 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: didn't pan out as a long lasting NFL quantity. Certainly 298 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: in the college ranks though, and within that system he 299 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: was very good. And Ohio State went on to build 300 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: on its success the next season, the year after the 301 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: year after all the way up to where we're at today. 302 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: So these were kind of the early workings of this 303 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: juggernaut that has become the Ohio State Buckeyes. 304 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: So Troy Smith is a very fun watch. Not as 305 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: much of a dual threat as he was the year before. 306 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: He runs a lot more in two thousand and five, 307 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: and I don't know if that's cut back in two 308 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: thousand and six because of wanting to prove himself un 309 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: center more because it wasn't a full spread Ohio State. 310 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: Did they spread the field. They had good receivers led 311 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: by Ted Ginn and also worth remembering, I think Troy 312 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: Smith was very foolishly. It was suspended over like accepting 313 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars the year before and sat out a game. 314 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: I think it was their bowl game, but I don't remember. 315 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: I should have done more research into something that silly. 316 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: But it's Jim Bowman, who is not a spread offensive 317 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: coordinator running the offense for Ohio State. And you're right, 318 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: it is the defense that is that is leading the way. 319 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: But Troy Smith is awesome. But if you watch some 320 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: of their bigger games. It's a lot of quick stuff. 321 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: It's not a ton down field. It's not a ton 322 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: of creativity, it's not a ton of you know, a 323 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: dynamic look on offense from Ohio State. And that's fine. 324 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: It worked amazingly well. They run the table at number 325 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: one throughout the regular season, and of course the Big 326 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: Ten doesn't have a championship game until twenty eleven, so 327 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: they don't have to play in that to sort of 328 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: jump that hurdle before the National Championship game. They have 329 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: the close call against Illinois, but it's really more of 330 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: an offensive struggle. The defense was still amazing against the 331 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: Aliini at least this year. We'll get to something about 332 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: Illinois later on about Ohio State, but it was a 333 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: good team ultimately, though. The problem with Ohio State was 334 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: their tackles. They get to the National Championship a game 335 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: against Florida, and mind you and I have the two 336 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: thousand and six BCS Ohio State and Michigan in the 337 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: back half of the season. They're one to two from 338 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: Week seven until they play in week twelve. Auburn's up 339 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: there early on, Notre Dames, up there early on, Texas 340 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: early on, until Ohio State beats them, and then as 341 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: we get into the national championship game, Florida edges out 342 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: Michigan thankfully to reach that game. We have LSU Louisville. 343 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: Even later on in the season, Rutgers in Arkansas are 344 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: in the top ten, waiting the top fifteen team. Things 345 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: were weird tie in two thousand and six, but we 346 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: get to this championship game early on in urban meyers 347 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: career against an Ohio State team who had won a 348 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: national championship in two thousand and two but couldn't quite 349 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: get back on that level until so this would be 350 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: early two thousand and seven. But the two thousand and 351 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: six season and the offensive tackles. One of them was 352 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: an NFL player for some time, Alex Boone for Ohio State, 353 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: but he kicked inside as a guard once he was 354 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: in the NFL. They were beaten mercilessly by Jarvis Moss 355 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: and Derek Harvey, just hounding Troy Smith, who proved himself 356 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: to be And this is a term that I am 357 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: going to try to employ just because I'm stealing it 358 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: from Draymond Green, who talks about it in the context 359 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: of NBA players. A lot of players play well in 360 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: the fall. The best are Winter Wonders. Tie your new thing, right, 361 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: This is my new thing, because when we look across 362 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: these teams in these national championships, it's very clear that 363 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: the team with the Winter Wonders who step up their 364 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: game with all the time off, with the other team 365 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: getting a whole season's worth of film to prepare for 366 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: everything that goes into a national championship game. Ohio State, 367 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: especially on offense, had essentially no Winter Wonders. And that's 368 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: early Beanie Wells in the backfield but not starting. He's 369 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: behind Antonio Pittman and Ted Gin runs back the opening 370 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: kick for a touchdown and tweaks his foot out the 371 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: rest of the game his foot and ankle, and so 372 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: the dudes on this Ohio State offense just don't exist. 373 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: As Troy Smith looked to be a Heisman dude but 374 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: could not make anything. It was just heads or tails. 375 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: It was a rough game, rough game for him. In 376 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: that title game, they were overwhelmed by a Florida defensive 377 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: line that had him on the run. I think he 378 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: completed what four passes the entire game, so it was 379 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: clearly not a Heisman level effort from him. 380 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: And Florida went on to a pretty big victory. Interesting 381 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 2: side note here for those of you that follow all 382 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: college sports, Florida went on to beat Ohio State in 383 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 2: the two thousand and seven NCUBA Men's basketball Championship game 384 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 2: as well. Correct the first time in nc DOUBLEA history 385 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: that the same two schools played for both the football 386 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 2: and basketball. 387 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: Championships in the same year, and. 388 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: The first time that a school held both the football 389 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: and basketball championships in the same academic and calendar year 390 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: as well. So a little bit of history, a little 391 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 2: bit of a random factoy that malely interest tyned in. 392 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 2: But two thousand and six Ohio State a runner up? 393 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: How do they compare to two thousand and six or 394 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 2: two thousand and five USC? 395 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: In your view? I think USC is stronger, and it's 396 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: mostly because of the sheer number of Winter Wonders and dudes. 397 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: I agree USC offense and as good as the Ohio 398 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: State defense was at a certain point, the speed of 399 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: Florida and it's a freshman year Percy Harvin and it's 400 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: Chris League, who's fine. Florida is simply just fine overall 401 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: with unblockable defensive ends. That was the clear difference in 402 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: this game. They just did not allow Ohio State to 403 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: do a single thing on offense. And so it's not 404 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: as if this very early Urban Meyer Florida team was 405 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: overwhelming offensively, but the team speed for Florida on offense, 406 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: and then similarly, the team speed between Reggie Bush and whatever, 407 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: Dwayne Jarrett, Dominique Bird, these guys on the USC team, 408 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: I would have them, not just because they were closer 409 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: to Texas. Ohio State was not close to beating Florida, 410 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: not a conversation. 411 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: So that means it's two thousand and five USC against 412 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 2: our next runner up, two thousand and seven Ohio State. 413 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 2: Ohio State runners up two years consecutively, and two thousand 414 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: and seven as a college football entity, maybe the wackiest 415 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 2: season we have seen. 416 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: Dan. 417 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: This was right around the time where you and I 418 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 2: were emailing for the first time, right trying to figure 419 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: out what we're going to do, if we're going to 420 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: do a podcast, just kind of getting to know each 421 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: other as friends. Meanwhile, in the college football world, we 422 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 2: had teams like Cal, like South Florida, Boston College, West Virginia, 423 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: even Kansas, all reaching number two in the AP polls. 424 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: We had teams like Notre Dame, Miami and Nebraska clearly 425 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 2: not having their best seasons. Combined, those three teams went 426 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: a collective thirteen and twenty three, and perhaps the strangest 427 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 2: thing of all was the fact that LSU won the 428 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: BCS National Championship with yes, you guessed it, two losses. Dan. 429 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the easiest case for most interesting year 430 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: of the first place losers we're reviewing, and it's I mean, 431 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: the case is simple. It's there was chaos this year 432 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: and Ohio State was the clear beneficiary. They sort of 433 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: hung around. LSU popped up at the end, But we 434 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: have that wacky do you know who was slated to 435 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: be in the National Championship as of November twenty fifth 436 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: BCS rankings, West Virginia, West Virginia. As you know, they 437 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: lose the backyard Brawl to Pit. I think it's thirteen 438 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: to nine, but it's Missoo. Missoo's coming off of the 439 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: win over Kansas. They then get stomped by Oklahoma. I 440 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: figure personally into all of this because I was at 441 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: Oklahoma's upset loss at Colorado. I watched the South Florida 442 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: Pit upset the night before. I believe it was a 443 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: Friday night. I watched that from a bar in Boulder, 444 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: and that next day was also when Cal upset Oregon 445 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: and there was chaos there and then we finally get 446 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: to the end of the season. In the two thousand 447 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: and seven season, LSU makes the jump from five to 448 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: two thanks to Ryan PARLOEU not intentionally rhyming there, but 449 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: I'm happy it did. Matt Flynn is out for the 450 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: SEC championship game. Ryan Parolou steps in. Is good. LSU 451 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: beats Tennessee. I think Eric Ains throws a couple picks 452 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and Ohio State is the beneficiary 453 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: of the best defense of their modern era, right. I 454 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: think it's zero point eighty six points per drive allowed. 455 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: They hold Michigan from thirty nine the year before to 456 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: three in two thousand and seven, So the Ohio State 457 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: defense leads the way. They get LSU. And this is 458 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: just a stroke of bad luck in New Orleans, Ty. 459 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: They get LSU in New Orleans. It looks like it's 460 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: going to be a good game and then it just 461 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: sort of isn't. And that's great for LSU fans, not 462 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: so great for Ohio State fans. But what do you 463 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: remember what do you treasure about two thousand and seven itself? 464 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: For the Buckeyes. 465 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: This was two years in a row again where they 466 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 2: were runners up. And this really was, like I said 467 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: in the previous blurb about six Ohio State, this is 468 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,120 Speaker 2: right around the time with this program is getting annoyingly good, 469 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 2: and they're there, and I say that lovingly, but annoyingly good. 470 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 2: They're in it every year. And I remember Ohio State 471 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: being very good on defense. But I also remember the 472 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: fact that Todd Beckman sort of came out of nowhere. 473 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: Was this no name. 474 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: Compared to Troy Smith who had won the Heisman the 475 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: previous year, And it didn't dawn on me until I 476 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: went back and looked and did the research. But he 477 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 2: was a big kid. He was six' five two forty. 478 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 2: Three that's a that's a big freakin'. Dude and he 479 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 2: was fine as. Quarterback you. Know he didn't give them 480 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 2: much in the way of, athleticism but he got the 481 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 2: ball where it needed to. Go he was an effective game, 482 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: manager and they had so much talent around him that 483 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: they were able to piggyback off all that and find 484 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 2: their way back into THE bcs title. Game SO i 485 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 2: certainly remember What Jim trump soul built in six and 486 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: then built upon in two thousand and. Seven, honestly my 487 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 2: lasting impression of This Ohio state team might have been 488 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 2: the loss To, illinois BECAUSE i remember at the time 489 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: this is such. 490 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: A big deal that they lost To. 491 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 2: Illinois if it were to happen today in our little, 492 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: world that would classify as a let down look Ahead, 493 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 2: sandwich because they had come off a win over number Nineteen, 494 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 2: wisconsin they were at home Against illinois where they LOST 495 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 2: i think twenty eight twenty one something like, that and 496 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 2: then the very next week played Against michigan AND i 497 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: think won something like fourteen to. Three so right in 498 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: between in that real like soft underbelly is Where illinois 499 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: showed up at the, horseshoe knocked them, off gave them 500 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 2: their first loss of the, year and through some fortune 501 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 2: the rest of the, way as we, said a crazy, 502 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: year they were able to weasel their way into THAT 503 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: bcs title. 504 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: Game, wow weasel their way In Ti damn was a 505 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: team that was a number ONE bcs team a good 506 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 1: chunk of this. 507 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: Season most of the season they, were so, YEAH i 508 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 2: remember the loss To. Illinois illinois of course went on 509 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: to play in The Rose bowl and get boat raced 510 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,959 Speaker 2: BY usc. Whatever AND i do, remember certainly the controversy 511 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 2: around them getting in THAT bcs game they did. Lose 512 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 2: it was essentially a home game FOR lsu thirty, eight twenty. 513 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 2: Four and this is a game that we talked about 514 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 2: not all that long, ago, right. 515 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, Absolutely, NOW i mean towards the end of the, 516 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: season obviously mentioning the topsy turvy nature of two thousand 517 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: and seven and having all sorts of teams at number, 518 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: Two Ohio state they just hang, around they. GO i 519 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: think they start ten and zero before losing To. Illinois 520 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: they're replacing a lot on their defensive. Line but THIS 521 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: i mean soft, underbelly a term you like using tie 522 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: The Big ten and Especially Ohio state's non conference. Schedule 523 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: let's not pretend like they were prepared this year's, team 524 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: especially upfront on, defense for a team as talented AS. 525 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: Lsu this was. Not it was a god Awful minnesota. 526 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: Team by the, way they don't play anybody in the 527 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: non conference part of the. Schedule this Is Anthony, Morelli Penn. 528 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: STATE i know you have your own thoughts about that 529 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: era of Nine ellyan. Football wisconsin's, fine but they're not 530 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: what they are. Now they were ranked at the time 531 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: That Ohio state beats. Them So Ohio state replaces i 532 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: think three starters up front on the line other Than Vernon, 533 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: golston but they return the linebacking cores in the, secondary 534 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: so they're in great shape. Defensively Cameron, hayward Who i'm 535 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: sure a lot of people now know his, name both 536 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: from His Ohio state career and HIS nfl. Career he's a, 537 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: freshman becomes a Freshman All american and An All Big ten. 538 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: Player he's terrific for them, upfront and so they really 539 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: get to this amazing place. Defensively but with your focus 540 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: On Todd beckman comes the fact that comes with, it 541 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: the fact that there's No ted Ginn Antonio, pittman who 542 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: was a big, deal big play guy in the backfield 543 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: For Ohio. State he's. Gone we Have Beanie, Wells Mo. 544 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: Wells you have Apparently Brian ribiski And Brian hartline are 545 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 1: two different. PEOPLE i don't know really have the breaking 546 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: news sound, wow they are in fact two different. People 547 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: And Brian ribisky drops what should have been a touchdown. 548 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: Catch so no fault Of Todd beckman AGAINST Lsu Brian 549 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: hartline is, fine but if he's your second best, Receiver 550 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: i'm not sure what you're going to be able to 551 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: do against a pretty, good if not really GOOD lsu, 552 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: defense especially up. Front It's Tyson jackson And Ricky Jean 553 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,959 Speaker 1: francois And Glenn. Dorsey so they just they didn't have 554 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: the horses. Tie they didn't have the winter, wonders AS 555 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: i like to call. It some guys are good in the. 556 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: Fall you need the guys who are good In january on. 557 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: Offense Ohio, state outside OF i Guess Beanie, wells they 558 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: just didn't have that. Guy didn't have that guy who 559 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: was to have that guy at a number of positions 560 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: who was on THAT lsu. Team So ali High smith 561 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: is in the is in the linebacking. Corps he was obviously. 562 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: Terrific the second was. Fine we're not talking you Know 563 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: Honey badger Or Patrick. Peterson you know the guys that 564 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: you know this year Obviously Derek. STINGLEY i don't think 565 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: anybody on that specific talent, level but their, speed there's 566 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: aggression and When Ohio state is playing a short, game 567 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: when they're just looking for seven yard outs and they're 568 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 1: just looking to run the ball between the. Tackles how 569 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: much do you really need from your secondary if they're 570 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: able to cheat and blitz and crowd the line AND 571 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: lsu took. 572 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: Advantage, wow they had trendon holiday on this. Team they 573 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: had on. Offense, Yeah Brandon LaFell, sure early du, SET 574 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: i believe early du. Set, Yeah Jacob, hester he got 575 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: what he. Wanted, yeah a lot of these guys went on. 576 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: The plane in the. 577 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: League BUT i don't know IF i AND i think 578 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 2: as we saw it crystallize over the next decade or, 579 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 2: so it wasn't always clear That elisa how to use 580 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 2: guys like. That they got the most they could out 581 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 2: Of Jacob, hester but guys Like Brandon lafel and some 582 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: others obviously in their current system might have profited a 583 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,239 Speaker 2: little bit more on the stats. Side but nonetheless they 584 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 2: win the national. Championship the final was thirty eight to twenty. 585 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 2: Four going back to the team by team, deathmatch here 586 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: we've got two thousand and FIVE usc against two thousand 587 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: and Seven Ohio. STATE i still THINK i got to 588 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: go two thousand and FIVE usc. 589 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: Here, YEAH i don't think firepower, Wise Ohio state on 590 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: offense has that much to keep. Up even THOUGH i 591 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: think the defense would do a really nice job against 592 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: USC's more deliberate. Offense i'm going to go with. Quarterback 593 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: i'm going to go, with you, know the game, changer 594 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: probably the best open field player ever In Reggie. Bush 595 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: so If Jacob hester was able to get his against 596 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: This Ohio state, DEFENSE i Imagine Reggie bush And Lindell 597 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: white would have been. Fine So i'm going to roll 598 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: WITH usc here And Ohio state just they didn't have 599 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: they didn't put it. Together trestleball was never going to 600 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: be an. Offense it was never going to field an 601 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: offense that could compete with the speed of some of 602 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: the nation's best Until Urban meyer got rid of trestleball 603 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: and did his own. Thing so we now go to 604 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: two thousand and, eight and this is where for me 605 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: it gets. Interesting oh two thousand and eight Is. Oklahoma 606 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: this was a hell of a. 607 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: Year it was a hell of a year two thousand and. Eight, 608 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 2: now we talked a little bit about this era on 609 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: a previous, show but here is the. Context oklahoma goes 610 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 2: twelve and one in the two thousand and eight. Season 611 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 2: they LOST i think forty five thirty five something like 612 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: that In Red river shootout To. Texas that's always Mid, october, 613 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 2: right run the table the rest of the. Way they 614 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 2: eventually qualify for THE Bcs National championship against The Florida. 615 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 2: Gators it was interesting on a number of different, fronts 616 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 2: not the least of which was it obviously being A 617 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 2: national championship. Game but one of the big other headliners 618 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 2: here was the fact that it was Two Heisman trophy 619 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: winning quarterbacks going against one. Another this is only the 620 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: second time it had. Happened it happened a few years 621 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 2: prior With Matt weiner Against Jason, white But Sam bradford 622 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 2: as a red shirt sophomore Against Tim tebow was quite 623 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 2: the top billing. Here it was a hell of a 624 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: year For Sam. Bradford so you'll remember we talked about 625 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 2: The oklahoma game and The National championship With Paul thompson 626 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 2: and how that was a. Disaster, Well Sam bradford in 627 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 2: that old clip is sort of wandering the, sidelines youthful, looking, 628 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: innocent no idea what he's about to become In Oklahoma. 629 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 2: War Sam bradford won the job the next year and 630 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight ends up throwing fifty touchdown. 631 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: Passes and winning The. Heisman feels. Good. 632 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah the offense At oklahoma was incredibly, dynamic over fifty 633 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: points a game on. Average they were beating teams by 634 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: about four touchdowns at a pop sixty points or more 635 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 2: in five straight games to close out the. Year so 636 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: this is a team that was. Humming they were firing 637 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 2: on all cylinders going into the. Postseason there was some 638 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 2: talent on that. Team there was some real talent on that. 639 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 2: Team DeMarco, murray who actually was At oklahoma five. YEARS 640 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 2: i didn't realize that UNTIL i went back and, looked 641 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 2: but took a red shirt and then played out his 642 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 2: eligibility in, totality he didn't play in THE bcs game 643 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 2: because he heard his, hamstring but he was on that. 644 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 2: Team Trent williams was on the offensive. Line there's a 645 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 2: whole slew of other folks on the offensive side that 646 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 2: are of interest and certainly household notable names for college football. 647 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 2: Fans on the defensive, Side oklahoma Was we're not going 648 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 2: to pretend that this was the shutdown. Defense it was. 649 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 2: Anything but that, said they were. Fine they were, fine 650 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 2: and they Had gerald. McCoy joe McCoy went on to 651 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 2: be a really high draft, pick was An All american 652 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 2: a couple times. Over it was like a six Time All. 653 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 2: PRO i don't even know if he's still, playing but 654 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 2: he clearly was a. Dude and it was funny when 655 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 2: you were watching back parts of this. Game you were 656 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 2: texting me last night or this morning basically, saying, like, 657 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 2: Man gerald, McCoy he just couldn't do it, all could? 658 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 2: He oh, wait he just got an interception off Of 659 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 2: Tim tebow dropping back into. Coverage, yeah so there were 660 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 2: Some there were some real dudes on This oklahoma, team 661 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 2: and you, know we could talk about the dudes that 662 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 2: were across from them on The florida. Side but this 663 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 2: game here definitely had that feel OF sec dominance really 664 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 2: coming to the. Mainstream it also had the feel of 665 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 2: like the early makings of The Big, Game Bob. Moniker 666 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 2: there were a lot of things THAT i think started 667 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 2: with this game or were kind of like intensified by this. 668 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: Game you go back a couple of, years so this 669 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,760 Speaker 1: IS i think year three Of Kevin wilson as the offensive, 670 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: coordinator this iteration WITH. Ou you, know he does great 671 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: things For northwestern at the turn of the. Century and, 672 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: look The Paul Thompson Boise state experience was very. Entertaining 673 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: but we got to see what An oklahoma offense looked 674 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: like with somebody better suited to run. It And Sam, 675 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: bradford especially after they lose To, texas was a man 676 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 1: possessed and rightfully won The. Heisman, interestingly there was A big. 677 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: Twelve The Big twelve was the center of college football 678 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: probably this, year right with the three way tie in 679 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: The south Between, Texas Texas, tech And. Oklahoma of, Course 680 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: oklahoma just Murders Texas tech. LATE i think they dropped 681 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: sixty six on the number two team in the. Country 682 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: they lose To, texas and of Course texas famously loses 683 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: To Texas tech and on The Michael crabtree play at 684 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: the end of the game In, lubbock so we have 685 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: a three way. Tie they go to the fifth tiebreaker 686 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: to determine That oklahoma is indeed the team that should 687 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: be going to The Big twelve championship. Game they end 688 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: up storming back and Beating maszoo to get to this. 689 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: Game and you're, RIGHT i think you're under selling the 690 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: defense a little just because of how quickly the offense, 691 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: played and that sort of Left Brent venables probably scrambling 692 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: a bit to rotate in guys and keep guys fresh 693 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: Because gerald McCoy couldn't literally be everywhere as great as he. 694 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: Was Travis lewis was very good behind. Him the secondary 695 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: took some lumps against some very good big twelve, quarterbacks 696 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,359 Speaker 1: but The oklahoma defense, especially it got much better next 697 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,719 Speaker 1: year When venables got used to things a little bit. 698 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 1: More they were. Fine they were good enough to get 699 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 1: them to THE Bcs National, championship and they were a great. 700 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: Story they had the, speed they had the talent on. 701 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: Offense like you, Mentioned Jermaine gresham was just fantastic all 702 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: season long and gave them a really difficult matchup element 703 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,439 Speaker 1: for essentially, everybody Including. Florida he was probably the most 704 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: successful offensive player in that game in terms of getting 705 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: open and affecting the. Game it was an Amazing oklahoma 706 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: team to. Watch they weren't fully the modern. Spread Sam 707 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: bradford was under center a good, deal but they would 708 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: get the ball quickly to playmakers in, space as people 709 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 1: like to, say and guys Like Chris brown And DeMarco 710 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: murray And Joaquin, iglesias a Young Ryan. Broyles they just tormented, 711 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 1: everybody and they did it, Quickly they did it with, 712 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 1: pace they did it without. Huddling it was you can't 713 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: tell AND i know our Pal Bill connolly just wrote 714 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: all about, this but you can't tell the story of 715 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: the modern spread without the utter destruction laid at the 716 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: feet of The big twelve By. Oklahoma and so when 717 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: they get To, florida you think to, yourself, well both 718 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 1: these teams are, fast both these teams are, talented both 719 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: these teams of All. Americans we've got A heisman, Winner 720 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: we've got this battering ram And Tim tebow and the 721 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,720 Speaker 1: speed Of Percy harvin and this absurd secondary what's gonna 722 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: come of? It and it was just a fast. Game 723 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,439 Speaker 1: it kind of lived up to the billing, ultimately, though 724 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: And i'm sure you have thoughts here, too it Was 725 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: florida's general speed on defense winning. Moments it was seven 726 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: all going into halftime Because Sam bradford throws a pick 727 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: at the goal, line and just the resilience OF i 728 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: Guess florida's rushing game just they're Battering oklahoma down the 729 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: field With Tim tebow And Percy, harvin and you, know 730 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 1: whether It's Jeff demps Or Chris, haney it's just play 731 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: after play after, play and it just Wore oklahoma. Down, 732 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,880 Speaker 1: YEAH i Mean oklahoma was not. 733 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 2: Themselves they were not AND i don't know if it's 734 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 2: Because DeMarco murray wasn't out there on the, field but 735 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 2: they were a shell of their former self in the rushing, 736 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 2: department Whereas. Florida florida had a number of. Options tebow 737 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 2: was of course the headliner that, year but you Mentioned Chris, 738 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 2: Rainey Jeff, demps Even Percy harvin got. Smack Em Manuel 739 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 2: moody was on that so they had a number of 740 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 2: guys and it Was it was just so interesting the 741 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 2: way That Urban meyer constructed that team because it just 742 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 2: those three, Names, Rainy, demps And. Harvin all of them 743 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 2: were incredibly fast and could be used a variety of different. 744 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 2: Ways it extends into the receiving game. Too Percy harvin 745 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 2: so many different ways that you could play him if 746 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 2: you wanted to put him out wider in the, slaughter 747 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 2: out of the, backfield he was a matchup. Disadvantage Lewis 748 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,879 Speaker 2: murphy was on that, team sort of underrated but got 749 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 2: a lot of action And Aaron. Hernandez you, know we'll 750 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 2: take all the bad stuff, aside But Aaron hernandez was 751 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 2: a big time matchup disadvantage for, defenses so so much 752 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 2: versatility on that offense that it was very difficult to. 753 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 2: Defend and as we said at the top of this 754 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,239 Speaker 2: blurb about oh, Wait, oklahoma the defense is. Fine we're 755 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 2: not here to disparage the, defense but it was certainly 756 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 2: not their. Specialty they did a good job in this. 757 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 2: Game we did a good job keeping it close in this, 758 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 2: game and, truly if not for like two possessions that went, 759 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,600 Speaker 2: haywire they could have won this. 760 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: Game, yeah And Tim tebow was really good on the. 761 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: Ground he has a jump pass at the goal line 762 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: which works out, well but he was okay through the. 763 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: Air he wasn't, bad but he Wasn't he didn't lead 764 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 1: the way with his. PASSING i know people are shocked 765 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: knowing that he's A hall Of fame passer now and 766 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: setting all sorts OF nfl. Records his picks were not, 767 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: good his interceptions were not. Good he was. Hesitant but 768 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: when you were built like he, was And oklahoma just 769 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,919 Speaker 1: doesn't have the depth of, talent it's you, know it's 770 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: an immovable force versus what's the phrase, Time i'm very tired, 771 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: now but an unstoppable force against immovable. Objects. Yeah so 772 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: you have The gerald McCoy led, front but at a 773 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 1: certain point they just wore down The oklahoma. Front AND 774 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,360 Speaker 1: i came away very impressed overall With oklahoma's two thousand 775 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: and eight again the mere fact that we have a 776 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,279 Speaker 1: three way. Tie and by the, Way, Texas Texas, tech 777 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 1: And oklahoma were all presented with big Twelve south, trophies 778 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: which is sort of absurd that such a trophy, exists 779 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: but they're all presented with. It and we get this championship, 780 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: game WHICH i think is what everybody. Wanted After Sam 781 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: bradford wins The, heisman maybe outside Of austin And, lubbock 782 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,399 Speaker 1: But alabama comes relatively. Close, Right alabama GOES i think they're. 783 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: Undefeated they go twelve to zero into THE sec championship, 784 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: game And Tim tebow actually has an awesome game In 785 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,880 Speaker 1: atlanta Against John, Parker, Wilson Glenn, coffee a Young Julio, 786 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: jones but not What alabama what what they would. Become 787 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 1: those were Not winter. WONDERS i would, Say Glen coffee 788 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: And John Parker. Wilson but would they have been enough 789 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: to Beat? Oklahoma? Perhaps, perhaps but they definitely were not 790 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: enough to Beat, utah who actually finished number two in 791 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,480 Speaker 1: the FINAL bcs, standings going thirteen TO zh Beating alabama 792 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:10,920 Speaker 1: in The Sugar. 793 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:16,240 Speaker 2: BOWL i am inclined to go oh Eight oklahoma over 794 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,479 Speaker 2: over at FIVE sc over FIVE. 795 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: Sc so the CASE i think is pretty easy For. 796 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,440 Speaker 1: OKLAHOMA i don't think it's an easy. Game but if 797 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 1: you were going to exploit USC's weakness that, year it's 798 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: probably their. Corners and while you know it's it's not 799 00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: clear That Joaquin iglesias and a Young Ryan broyles are 800 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:44,440 Speaker 1: killers on the, outside that offense is pretty perfectly suited 801 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: to take DOWN. Sc SO i could see that for. 802 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:51,239 Speaker 2: SURE i Think i'm gonna, go oh, Wait, Oklahoma i'm 803 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 2: gonna do. It it goes against better, judgment AND i 804 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 2: just love those TWO sc teams in four and, Five 805 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 2: but they have Beaten florida. 806 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,319 Speaker 1: Man florida was, Loaded clorida was. FLOADED i think how 807 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: many times out of, ten how many times out of 808 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: one hundred if this game is simulated In Elon musk's, 809 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: simulation how many times Does oklahoma Beat florida on a 810 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,319 Speaker 1: neutral field with by the, Way Tom, BRENNAMAN i think 811 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,879 Speaker 1: three straight national championships With Tom brennaman calling all one hundred. 812 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,879 Speaker 2: Simulations, well in simulations they could they could win forty 813 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 2: percent of the. GAMES i don't, Know, OKAY i don't 814 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:32,239 Speaker 2: think it's that. 815 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: HIGH i THINK i could not believe The florida secondary 816 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: was what it was that. Night Genor's, Jenkins Joe, Hayden 817 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,919 Speaker 1: Ahmad black And Major. Wright that's. Serious that is, very very. 818 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: Serious AND i don't Think oklahoma if you play this 819 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: game over and over, again especially Without DeMarco murray as 820 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: just an an option leaking out of the backfield for 821 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,800 Speaker 1: over four. Quarters but what About but what ABOUT? SC 822 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: i Think florida is in a better pasi to win 823 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: that game because of their speed on. DEFENSE i don't 824 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 1: love their defensive, line BUT i think It's Brandon spikes 825 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: And Brandon hicks at linebacker along with that secondary And Tim. 826 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,239 Speaker 1: Tebow if we're talking about a physically imposing quarterback with 827 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: the ability to inflict damage with his, legs we KNOW 828 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:23,399 Speaker 1: usc didn't do well against that specific. Prescription So i'm 829 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: going to Say florida. Here, okay all, right let's. Disagree 830 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,120 Speaker 1: how many? Ease? 831 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,920 Speaker 2: NO i agree with, you okay. Wholeheartedly do you how 832 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,800 Speaker 2: do you feel about The oklahoma VERSUS c. 833 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 1: THING i Like. OKLAHOMA i, MEAN i THINK i think 834 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 1: it's sort of a fifty to fifty toss up situation 835 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 1: BECAUSE i don't know how they Cover Dwayne. JARRETT i 836 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,320 Speaker 1: don't know how they you, know there's just so many 837 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,879 Speaker 1: different problems with That Lane kiffin offense to have to deal. 838 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,879 Speaker 1: WITH i don't. Love we Saw Percy harvin get loose 839 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 1: a couple of. TIMES i Imagine Reggie bush could also 840 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: against This oklahoma. Defense so it's more of a toss 841 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: up to. ME i THINK i WOULD i would probably 842 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:06,359 Speaker 1: give the big game coaching nod To Pete carroll Over 843 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,479 Speaker 1: Bob stoops if we're looking at track, record So i'd 844 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,479 Speaker 1: say seventy thirty PROBABLY. Usc but it's it's very, close 845 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,439 Speaker 1: AND i can understand why you would Take oklahoma because 846 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: of the. Matchup all, right, well let's let's do. This 847 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: let's keep with two thousand and FIVE. 848 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 2: Usc, okay BECAUSE i think it's interesting now as we 849 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 2: go to two thousand and, nine our final team that 850 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,239 Speaker 2: we're looking at on this show two thousand and nine 851 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 2: would Be. Texas we've already talked about this game and 852 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 2: what happened in this, game Notably cold McCoy getting, hurt 853 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 2: his arm going, numb then Freshman Garrett gilbert coming in 854 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 2: and throwing four. Picks, Ultimately texas loses in The Rose 855 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 2: bowl To alabama thirty seven to twenty. One you AND 856 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 2: i debated the merits of their late. Comeback they did 857 00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 2: make a run at, It alabama pulled away, Late, okay 858 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,359 Speaker 2: but the headline here Is colt McCoy getting, hurt and 859 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:12,960 Speaker 2: prior to, That texas was in a remarkable spot thirteen to. 860 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,000 Speaker 2: Zero couple close calls throughout the course of the. Year 861 00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 2: really good, Team colt, McCoy Jordan. Shipley that was the. 862 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 2: Offense let's not kid. Ourselves that was the offense in 863 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 2: two thousand and nine for The Texas. Longhorns that, Year 864 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 2: Jordan shipley caught one hundred and sixteen balls for fourteen 865 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:42,959 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty five yards and thirteen. Touchdowns, Right colt 866 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:49,320 Speaker 2: McCoy threw twenty seven, touchdowns so not quite half of, 867 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,120 Speaker 2: them but pretty damn close to half of those touchdowns 868 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,360 Speaker 2: went to his boy, Roommate Jordan, SHIPLEY i, believe older. 869 00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 1: Brother Of, jackson older brother Of. Case this was an 870 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: interesting spot. 871 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 2: Here it was a good defense to compliment that two men, 872 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,759 Speaker 2: offense and they ran into An alabama team that was 873 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,439 Speaker 2: very loaded at the, time very loaded at the. Time 874 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 2: this is A greg McElroy. OFFENSE i know you love 875 00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,880 Speaker 2: WHEN i put him at the. Top but we're talking 876 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:32,319 Speaker 2: about guys Like Mark ingram And Trent richardson carrying the. 877 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 2: Ball we're talking about receivers Like Julio, Jones Marquise mays 878 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,640 Speaker 2: was on that. TEAM a whole host of talent on, 879 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 2: defense not the least of which we Are, Yeah orlando, 880 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:49,280 Speaker 2: McLain Mark, Baron Javier, Arenas Marcel darius as you, Mentioned 881 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 2: Mount cody on that. Team so there's a lot of 882 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,600 Speaker 2: talent on That alabama. Side it's no secret why they 883 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,759 Speaker 2: won that. Game but what strikes you looking back At 884 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 2: texas and nine and specifically as you try to compare 885 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,880 Speaker 2: them to some of the other teams that we've discussed, 886 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 2: Here so. 887 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: The defense takes a step back as much as or the, 888 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,240 Speaker 1: offense excuse, me takes a step, back the defense actually 889 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 1: gets better even though they lose guys up. FRONT i 890 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,440 Speaker 1: think they Lost BRIAN. A rackpo from two thousand and. 891 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,360 Speaker 1: Eight Sergio kindall's still, There Earl thomas still. There the 892 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,319 Speaker 1: secondary is very good and it was for a long 893 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 1: time With DWAYNE. A, kina who is just like the 894 00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,080 Speaker 1: defensive back whisper For. Texas so they lose a key 895 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,719 Speaker 1: playmaker on offense In Kwan cosby who really helped to 896 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,800 Speaker 1: stretch the. FIELD i Think colt McCoy set a record 897 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 1: for completion percentage in two thousand and. Eight it was 898 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,360 Speaker 1: like it was like seventy six. Percent it was, cartoonish 899 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: and so THE i think the shame is that the 900 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight squad wasn't playing healthfully Against, alabama not. 901 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,360 Speaker 1: Necessarily the two thousand and nine a really impressive. Defense 902 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,719 Speaker 1: strange to See texas without a running. Game this is 903 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,520 Speaker 1: Post Jamal, charles and you, know they just can't seem 904 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,359 Speaker 1: to get it. Gone It's Trey newton as their leading. 905 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,319 Speaker 1: Rusher but all things, considered they do survive some close 906 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,200 Speaker 1: calls in The big. Twelve that includes what the best 907 00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,560 Speaker 1: Modern big twelve defense probably, yeah in two thousand and 908 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:16,400 Speaker 1: Nine's nebraska And domakin Sue Bo polini just mad house of. 909 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 1: Horrors so they survived that game in the literal last, 910 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,600 Speaker 1: seconds and they make it to THE Bcs championship. Game 911 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,120 Speaker 1: they hang around really all season, long in the top 912 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 1: two or. Three the scares don't really drop them that. 913 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,560 Speaker 1: Much they end up not losing to anybody Until, alabama 914 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,840 Speaker 1: and even, then even, then With Garrett gilbert going fifteen 915 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,879 Speaker 1: to forty and throwing the interceptions that he, does it's 916 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,360 Speaker 1: still a game. Late so if we're SAYING usc could have, 917 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: won if we're Saying, oklahoma maybe not often in a 918 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,440 Speaker 1: hundred game, simulation but they had, enough you, know if 919 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,719 Speaker 1: certain things break correctly to Beat. Florida the way that 920 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,919 Speaker 1: that team came, TOGETHER i think you have to say 921 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,000 Speaker 1: the two thousand and Nine texas, team for all of its, 922 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,799 Speaker 1: flaws this is the Year Nick saban's Death star Of 923 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,239 Speaker 1: alabama became. Operational what they were upfront two thousand and, 924 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 1: eight they were getting, there but they weren't there with 925 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: the offensive skill positions like they were With Mark ingram 926 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,880 Speaker 1: And Trent, richardson and the depth of talent that they 927 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,040 Speaker 1: built on defense was starting to become pretty. Scary so 928 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,319 Speaker 1: For Garrett gilbert to pull That texas team. Back i'm 929 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,360 Speaker 1: going to, say, yes they absolutely could have, one but 930 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,399 Speaker 1: because it Was Garrett Gilbert's i'm going to nick them 931 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: a few points and Say i'm not putting them up 932 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: against probably many of the first place losers of the 933 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,880 Speaker 1: four years. Prior but, still all things, considered this was 934 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,880 Speaker 1: a damn Impressive texas. Team this is A will Muss champ. 935 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 1: Defense this is an experienced offense that just didn't HAVE 936 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,520 Speaker 1: i Guess winter wonders once again Without colt, McCoy Without, 937 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 1: kuwank Without Jamal, charles guys that were just so good 938 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,040 Speaker 1: for them in the couple years leading. Up they just couldn't. 939 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,240 Speaker 1: Hang they couldn't, run even though it was extremely close. 940 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,959 Speaker 2: Late you're giving it a little too much, credit AM. 941 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,879 Speaker 2: I though you're giving, it you're giving. Again i'll come 942 00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,880 Speaker 2: back to the previous argument we had on a different. 943 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:26,200 Speaker 2: Show but, like this game was over early And alabama 944 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 2: Let texas back into. It, wait, No Grek gilbert was 945 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 2: awful in this. Game he Made he was awful, mostly 946 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,880 Speaker 2: but he did make. Plays you were, Saying, alabama this 947 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,360 Speaker 2: is just we're rerunning an. Argument we had a couple 948 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:47,720 Speaker 2: of weeks, Ago alabama tried very very. Hard alabama's offense 949 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 2: put the defense in a very bad spot by going 950 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:54,040 Speaker 2: three and out a lot in the second. Half alabama's 951 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,440 Speaker 2: defense was. Trying Garrett gilbert threw over this defense a little, 952 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,360 Speaker 2: bit right? 953 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,120 Speaker 1: Now is it twenty is it? Not hold? On hold? 954 00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: On you don't need to buy, anything, ty it was 955 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty one, late, right that's. Irrefutable it's 956 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:16,560 Speaker 1: twenty four twenty One texas ball with three minutes. Left that's, fact. Right, 957 00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:23,040 Speaker 1: Okay so if we're gonna say ten Point florida Over 958 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,680 Speaker 1: oklahoma is within reason For, oklahoma FOR. Ou if we're 959 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,040 Speaker 1: going to, say you, Know Ohio state AGAINST, lsu which 960 00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,799 Speaker 1: was you, know started out pretty well for O, house 961 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,560 Speaker 1: THE i don't think they had much of a chance. 962 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,080 Speaker 1: There if we're gonna SAY usc has a chance close, 963 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:44,560 Speaker 1: late we have to talk About gilbert completing passes against 964 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:49,640 Speaker 1: a Good alabama defense at. TIMES i don't. Know twenty 965 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,440 Speaker 1: four to twenty one three minutes, Left, Okay, well, anyway 966 00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,319 Speaker 1: up against the rest of the, teams the text let's 967 00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 1: shot Against, Beckman let's do. 968 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,000 Speaker 2: This let's see. This let's assume That colt McCoy. PLAYS 969 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,759 Speaker 2: i think that he started the. Game he started the, 970 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,400 Speaker 2: game but let's assume he doesn't get. Hurt, now let's 971 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 2: compare Nine texas against for starters FIVE. Usc, okay where 972 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:19,480 Speaker 2: do you come down in that? 973 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,840 Speaker 1: Matchup i'm FAVORING. SC i don't Think texas has the 974 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: receivers LIKE i, Mentioned oklahoma sort of did the previous. 975 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,560 Speaker 1: YEAR i don't think outside Of Jordan, shipley they had 976 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,160 Speaker 1: the advantage going against THE usc. Secondary So i'll TAKE. 977 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 2: USC i am intrigued by That texas team and their 978 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,600 Speaker 2: offense against a really good defense In Ohio state both. 979 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 1: Years, Really colt McCoy texas did Play Ohio state in 980 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and, six SO i can't tell you what. 981 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,160 Speaker 1: Happened it was a Young colt. McCoy it was a different, 982 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,759 Speaker 1: team But Ohio state beat him twenty four to seven IN. DKR. 983 00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,960 Speaker 1: Yep that's pretty. GOOD. Yep so we know the, ants. 984 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:05,240 Speaker 1: Sir different different, Team but we know About colt McCoy 985 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:13,400 Speaker 1: Against Ohio. State what ABOUT Oad, oklahoma Ohait oklahoma against 986 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:18,400 Speaker 1: two thousand and Nine, Texas, Right so what's the difference 987 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,800 Speaker 1: BETWEEN Oad oklahoma and two thousand and Nine OKLAHOMA i 988 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 1: guess now Is Sam. Brett, yeah now's not not much, 989 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,960 Speaker 1: really It's Sam bradford. Injury, yeah in two thousand and. 990 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,360 Speaker 1: Nine So oklahoma falls to a very average offense IN o, 991 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:42,680 Speaker 1: nine but Oad oklahoma AGAINST o Nine. Texas If texas 992 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,480 Speaker 1: is a little bit worse and they were ten points 993 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,480 Speaker 1: better than them the year, before they're a little bit 994 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,600 Speaker 1: better on, defense but a little bit worse on, offense 995 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:53,920 Speaker 1: or noticeably worse on. OFFENSE i Think oklahoma has the, 996 00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,880 Speaker 1: edge but not by, much because at least we have 997 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 1: a good chunk of data about that. 998 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,920 Speaker 2: Matchup BUT i Think i'm hearing here is if we are, 999 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,840 Speaker 2: ranking we've got five usc that we're going to take with. 1000 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,000 Speaker 1: Us to the. 1001 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,880 Speaker 2: Next show that we do talking about runners, up followed 1002 00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:21,280 Speaker 2: pretty closely by Eight, oklahoma followed by Nine, TEXAS i would, 1003 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:26,040 Speaker 2: say followed BY oh Six Ohio state With Troy, smith 1004 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,400 Speaker 2: followed by Seven Ohio state With Todd. 1005 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:35,720 Speaker 1: Beckmann Oh beckman as the last, place yeah, MAN i don't. 1006 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,960 Speaker 1: Know that may have been the best defense of those. Five. 1007 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,600 Speaker 1: Yeah so it's, BASICALLY i, mean who would you take 1008 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 1: between Six Ohio state AND o Seven Ohio. State pray 1009 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,880 Speaker 1: Go Troy, Smith Troy smith being the difference, MAKER i think. So, 1010 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,800 Speaker 1: YEAH i think he gave him the defense one year 1011 00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:03,840 Speaker 1: Older Todd, BECKMAN i think. So BUT i think the 1012 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,160 Speaker 1: best thing on the field between those two squads is 1013 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:11,439 Speaker 1: the seven. Defense i'd probably end up taking. That i'd 1014 00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,840 Speaker 1: probably end up taking the. Defense we saw what the 1015 00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,440 Speaker 1: offensive line Of Ohio state would look like against a 1016 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:23,640 Speaker 1: pretty nasty defensive. LINE i actually might take this very 1017 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,320 Speaker 1: incestuous seven team over. 1018 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,360 Speaker 2: Six all, right, well right in solid verbootgmail dot, com 1019 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,479 Speaker 2: right in on our social media, channels and let us know. 1020 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,600 Speaker 1: What your thoughts are on the. Matter. 1021 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,960 Speaker 2: Here it has been, fun, actually not just to go 1022 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,000 Speaker 2: back through and rewatch old games now obviously we've got 1023 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,680 Speaker 2: a lot of time to do, that but to do 1024 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,440 Speaker 2: something like this where you actually get to look at 1025 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,440 Speaker 2: it over a five year, chunk and we're gonna do 1026 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,360 Speaker 2: more of. Them we're going to continue to do this 1027 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,760 Speaker 2: over the next few, episodes to look at runners up 1028 00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,080 Speaker 2: and really talk about individual seasons and how things broke, 1029 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:03,080 Speaker 2: down because you kind of forget as time goes on 1030 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,760 Speaker 2: some of the interesting and cool things that happen over 1031 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,560 Speaker 2: the span of a, season and you know where we're 1032 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,000 Speaker 2: in this mode of talking About alabama And clemson so 1033 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,440 Speaker 2: often you forget about some of the other teams that have. 1034 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,280 Speaker 2: Challenged So i'm excited to keep. GOING i guess next 1035 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:20,040 Speaker 2: time it'll be twenty, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen and, fourteen, 1036 00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,400 Speaker 2: correct which means we get to talk About Notre. 1037 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:28,920 Speaker 1: Dame And oregon And, oregon AND i think we're gonna 1038 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna go pretty quickly Through Oregon auburn because we've 1039 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,560 Speaker 1: already sort of discussed that at. Nauseum but, yeah twenty 1040 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 1: twelve is a crazy. Year we've got A heisman winner 1041 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,760 Speaker 1: And Marcus mariota twenty, fourteen so that'll be. 1042 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 2: Good all, Right well, again soliverbal at gmail dot. 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Players BUT i 1060 01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,160 Speaker 1: had a ton of fun rewatching these old games and 1061 01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,480 Speaker 1: watching where they were not as. Strong teams were not 1062 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,600 Speaker 1: as strong AS i thought they, were or a lot, stronger, 1063 01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,919 Speaker 1: faster more impressive THAN i remember them, being especially Those 1064 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,960 Speaker 1: Ohio state teams on. Defense so, yeah let us know 1065 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,360 Speaker 1: what you think and give us your. THOUGHTS i suppose 1066 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,560 Speaker 1: now that you know what we're doing here on the 1067 01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:06,520 Speaker 1: First Place losers moving forward from two thousand to twenty 1068 01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:11,400 Speaker 1: ten season through the twenty nineteen. Season all, Right well 1069 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,920 Speaker 1: that's on that. Note for that guy over, there way 1070 01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,800 Speaker 1: over there in Southern. California for, Myself Ty hildebrand over 1071 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,320 Speaker 1: here in Eastern, pennsylvania thank you so much for giving 1072 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,440 Speaker 1: us some of your. Time we hope you and yours 1073 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,640 Speaker 1: are happy and. Safe and. 1074 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:29,760 Speaker 2: Healthy keep washing those. Hands we will talk to you 1075 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:30,160 Speaker 2: all in a. 1076 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,000 Speaker 1: Week in the, meantime stay, solid, peace