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I know he's done 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.520 it a little bit more in years past. That said, 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:38.920 this is his favorite time of year and this is 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.560 right up his wheelhouse, and so I'm very, very excited 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.480 to be bringing Carson on today to talk about just 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.760 the top guys in this year's draft, mainly the top 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:52.480 five players that I see in this set. Now, before 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.320 we get started and before I bring Carson on, I 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.760 wanted to take just a couple of minutes to talk 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.320 about something that I've always paid very close to Engine 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.760 two in the draft, because I do think it's very interesting. 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:07.359 You know, every NBA team, even poorly run NBA teams 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.919 like the Lakers, have a scouting department who they don't 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.400 care about what's happening, you know, when the Lakers are 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.560 preparing to play the Orlando Magic, or or what's going 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.360 on with free agent signings or things along those lines. 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.040 For the most part, they pay attention to collegiate basketball 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:25.320 players and they look or overseas basketball players or players 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.560 who are out of the league in some capacity, and 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.160 they look for opportunities to add talent to their teams 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.079 that goes to the top of the draft all the 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.280 way down to the undrafted UH players around the world. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.880 And yet they still make mistakes all the time. And 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.800 you know, Andrew Wiggins is a great example of that 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.440 of a player who was taking number one that has 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.920 played a lot more like somebody who's towards the tail 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.240 end of the lottery, right. And the short answer is is, 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.280 no matter how hard you work at this stuff you met, 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.960 you have misses. And there are four really quick reasons 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.760 why I wanted that. I wanted to point as to 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.800 why that kind of thing happens. One is situation. You know, 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.920 look at Andrew Wiggins as an example there and him 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.840 being in Minnesota on a poorly run team alongside stars 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.400 and other players that didn't really bring the best out 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:09.840 of him. And then he goes to Golden State, he 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.320 gets around a smart team, he fits into a role 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.520 that makes more sense to him, and he immediately takes off. 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.080 And then you have injuries. I mean, we look at 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.160 Marquelle Folts. He has some sort of weird shoulder issue 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.840 and then suddenly he has to reconstruct his jump shot 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.160 for him and his entire game falls apart. Or after that, 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:29.440 he finally goes down to Orlando and kind of settles 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.040 in a little bit and he gets hurt. That kind 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.000 of thing can happen. Number Three, like your work ethic, 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.320 it's very very difficult, especially for a guy like me 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.240 who is only taking a short amount of time in 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.599 the year to try to analyze this kind of thing. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.559 It's difficult to get a feel for a player's work ethic, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.640 especially when they're young. There are a lot of players 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.359 who suddenly, right around age twenty three something clicks for 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.280 them in terms of their maturity, and they step things 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.440 up a certain amount. When you're evaluating them when they're eighteen, 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.000 it can be difficult to make those types of judgment calls. 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:04.520 And then, last, but not least, and this is to 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.719 me one of the most important things and one of 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.920 the most difficult things to evaluate in a young player, 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:14.480 but their competitive nature. You know, there are it's kind 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.400 of like that fight or flight response that we always 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.320 talked about. I played against a lot of really high 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.440 level basketball players in my career, uh, guys who played 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.080 in the NBA, guys who play elsewhere overseas, and guys 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.880 who got close or guys who flamed out, and you know, 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.719 there's always a sliding scale there between a guy that 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.080 when you step to them, when you challenge them, when 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.960 you put them in a situation where they have to 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:41.040 fight out, they either fight or there are guys that 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.040 are more willing to disappear into the background. And those 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:45.960 guys that disappear, they end up being the kinds of 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.440 players where you're watching a forty eight minute basketball game 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.799 and ten fifteen minutes can go by and you forget 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:54.720 they're even involved, whereas the real fighters out there always 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.800 scratching and clawing for every single advantage on the court, 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.599 and it is readily apparent on the screen. And those 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.200 four things are the main reasons why so many draft 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.960 picks get missed over the years, and it's very, very 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.680 difficult to interpret those things. So one of the main 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.680 things that we're gonna be focused on today are things 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.520 that are absolutely measurable and discernible on tape, like their 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.480 physical tools, their skill sets, the way that their specifics 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.359 tools and skill sets can factor in to an NBA 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.839 team right now, and what they could potentially develop into 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:29.840 in the future. But I just wanted to take a 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:31.320 couple of minutes to go over that because I do 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.760 think it's a very interesting dynamic that takes place in 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:37.000 the NBA draft. Before I get started here, I wanted 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.760 to bring on Carson Um. Carson, it's good to see 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:41.240 you again. I know we didn't get to see you 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:43.040 too much during the NBA Finals, but it's sure is 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:44.720 good to see you right now. How you doing, Yeah, well, 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.400 it is great to be here. And like you said, 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:47.960 this is my favorite time of the year. And I 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:51.599 think this is a really interesting class that we have. 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.559 We've had a few strong classes over the last few years, 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:58.520 and this one, certainly, I think is comparable in the 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:01.160 caliber of guys in the top is really interesting as well. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.120 So I'm pumped to talk about all of it. Yeah, 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.200 and there are like some straight up home run picks 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.560 in there too, like like it's it remains to be 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.000 seen how great they will be, but there, you know, 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.240 I think the top three guys in particular are guaranteed 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.800 quality NBA players. Quick funny story. I was I was 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:20.640 having a beer with a buddy of mine that I 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.119 hadn't seen in a little while yesterday, and I showed 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.080 him your TikTok page and like, I've always been so 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.400 blown away by your memory. But we were watching your 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.120 Aaron Brooks one. But when we're where, they were reading 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.960 Aaron books resume, and like my buddy and I were 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.560 like shooting guesses out as you were going and you're 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:40.520 kind of methodically working through it. And I was just 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:42.000 telling him, I'm like, I'm like, dude, this is what 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.680 this guy does. Just he's an encyclopedia with this kind 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:49.239 of knowledge, so uh to get you know, I looked 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.440 at eight or nine players over the course of the the 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:56.560 last few days. UM the seven that I thought separated 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.920 themselves and had a case to be in the top five. 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:04.040 I've or Benedict Matherin, who came through UH the University 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.960 of Arizona and my local hometown Tucson, UH, Keegan Murray 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:12.360 out of Iowa, Shaden Sharp out of out of the 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.280 G League. He was excuse me, he was at Kentucky 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:17.320 and he ended up not playing this year. Then there's 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:22.200 Jaden Ivy out of Purdue, Jabari Smith out of Auburn, UM, 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.000 Chad home Grin out of Gonzaga, and Pala Boncero at 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.320 a Duke. Those were the seven that I considered. If 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:29.760 we have time at the end, we can talk a 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:33.040 little bit about why the two that I left out 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.160 were left out. But I'm gonna start from the top 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.319 down and just kind of give my two cents and 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.120 then we'll go back and forth. And I'm really curious 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:41.440 to hear your opinion on these guys. So I know 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.720 there's a lot of debate about who's gonna go number one. 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.200 I know there's a decent amount of reporting that says 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:52.160 it's gonna be Jabari Smith. Uh. My initial interpretation as 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:54.800 I view him lower than that. We'll get there in 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:59.120 a minute. To me, the best prospect that I noticed 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:04.080 in my time watching film UM was Paulo Bontare. And 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.400 there are a couple of specific reasons why. I mean, 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:13.360 he definitively, unquestionably has a lower defensive ceiling than Chet 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:16.679 or Jabbar. That goes without saying um. But like I've 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.600 always talked about on my show, and then as Colin 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:21.640 and I talked about a lot during the finals, I 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.160 do believe that it is easier to coach a player 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.920 up to become a fun, functional defensive player, especially if 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:31.600 he's surrounded by the requisite talent, and and to focus 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.000 his offensive energies in a ways that are in ways 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.040 that are more impactful than it is to do the reverse. 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.480 And we will get to that specifically when we get 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.760 to Chat and Jabbar, because I do think there's chances 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:45.319 with both of them that they become role players, guys 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.080 who are very very good role players. Because they don't 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:52.480 they potentially have some limitations on the offensive end. In 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.280 my opinion, Paolo is on the low end, a guy 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.280 who will one day average twenty points a game in 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.719 the n b A he act actually reminds me in 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:05.280 terms of a ceiling of Carmelo Anthony. Now, I don't 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.439 see it anywhere near the perimeter flashes yet in terms 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.040 of the fact that, like when Carmelo was at Syracuse, 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.600 he was a gunner from the perimeter and deadly out there. Uh, 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.760 Paulo's more a guy that shows flashes, but he's still 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.319 streaky out there. Where I really see it is the 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.480 face up game and the arsenal of moves in the 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.520 mid to short range. And I always talked about how 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.960 the short range is kind of like under under evaluated, 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.640 under utilized in the NBA. Those are those like little 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.319 floaters and push shots and hooks and things that are 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:42.120 like crafty finishes around the basket. And I was super impressive, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:47.760 impressed by just the overall versatility of Paolo's offensive approach, 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.679 his ability to um to use his body for leverage 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.960 to get closer to the rim. His he's got all 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.440 the turnaround fade aways and step backs, he's got the 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.360 hesitation pull up jump shots off the dribble, and he's 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:03.040 got everything around around the rim. But his overall face 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:07.520 of approach reminds me of Carmelo. The scary thing is 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:12.400 he doesn't quite have that great first step, and as 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.040 a result of that, I think he's gonna become a 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.120 guy who has to turn his back to the basket often, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.280 and that will put a lot of pressure on him 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:24.120 over the first five six years of his career to 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.920 really develop his ball handling more and his shooting more, 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.520 because if you do not have a first step, that 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:36.440 can consistently compromise that initial defensive player, like let's pretend 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.560 Andrew Wiggins is guarding him. If you don't have the 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:42.880 first step, to get that initial separation, you have to 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.760 be incredibly sharp with your handle, your change of pace, 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.280 and your shop making ability, which I do think he's 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.760 capable of with his size and strength. But those are 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:52.120 those are just I have a couple other notes that 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:53.280 I want to hit on, but that was just my 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.680 initial takeaway. Where are you at right now with Paolo Carson? 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:01.520 I think Paulo is an incredibly unique and really impressive prospect. 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.760 He's actually not my number one guy on this class. 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:05.840 He is my number two though. But I completely agree 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.679 with you in terms of the point about offensive development 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:13.080 in vision there because the mellow comparison is interesting. When 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:14.960 I watched Paullo, the guy who I see the most 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.600 similarity to that has been a star at the NBA 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.880 level in recent times is probably Julius Randall. I think 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:26.120 the big distinction is that Paolo is bigger, He's more 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.840 dynamic athletically, and I think he has much more ability 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.720 to be versatile within an offense, whereas Randall kind of 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.240 has tried to religiously stick to that point forward role 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:37.360 and force the issue and rely on the really tough 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.160 midrange shot making all that stuff that we saw go 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:41.559 really south this year as compared to two years ago 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.160 when he was a legitimate all NBA guy, I just 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.160 think Powell has more ways in which he can kill you. 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.760 I mean, he is kind of a dream modern wing, 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:52.600 big hybrid offensively because I think you can initiate in 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.240 so many different ways from him. Right, he can be 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.400 that point forward and stretches. His playmaking is good enough, 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.480 His pull up jump shooting is good enough. Needs to 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.200 be a little bit more consistent. He's confident, he's willing, 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.679 and he's certainly solid. But you can all see him 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.520 as a roll man. You can use him to pop 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.880 because he has the ability to score on all three 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.000 levels and he can be a dynamic lab threat like 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:16.440 he's a six ten to fifty legitimate plus athlete with 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.240 high level basketball skill too. It needs to be refined. 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.760 His decision making needs to be a little better, you know, 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.600 taking care of the ball can be a little bit better. 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:25.560 He needs to get more efficient as a score overall, 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.800 and that's really a product of shot selection and some 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.800 of the pure jump shooting ability. But the tools are there. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.880 I completely agree with you. If he doesn't score twenty 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.280 a game at the next level, I will be surprised. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.000 In the defense, I mean, he has the tools. You 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:43.760 never know completely with these guys, because so often guys 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:45.840 are just lagging behind on defense and they don't come 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.440 into the league as high impact guys obviously, but Polo 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.320 has the tools. He's a good athlete with a seven 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.400 one wingspan. He moves his feet pretty well, so I 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.760 think if you see him committed consistently, he's a good 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.480 defensive playmaker. Like I think he has good hands, so 0:13:57.880 --> 0:13:59.600 I think he should be a star. If he's not 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:01.559 a star, I think that that's disappointing. But the reason 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.000 I don't have them number one, I think is just 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.920 a testament to the strength of this class. And like 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.120 we're just seeing crazier prospects every year. You know, guys 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.520 like Palo have rarely existed, you know, to come in 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:17.040 at this size and level of athleticism and also basketball skill, 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.800 it's crazy, And I absolutely think you should be a star. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.320 You know that that uh, that last part is super 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.600 super interesting because you know, I was thinking the same 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.320 thing as I was watching the film this morning, is 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:34.520 like basketball players are getting so damn it's so ridiculous. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.840 Like I used to think of, like, you know, a 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.240 certain level of skill as a differentiator. You know, like 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:41.920 when you see a player, it used to be like 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.680 when we were younger, you know, like you'd watch Jabari 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.000 Parker go down the lane for Duke and do this 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.720 wild hesitation left right and then do like an up 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:53.480 and under finish off the glass, and you'd be like, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.160 oh my goodness, I can't believe we just saw a 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.640 six ten guy do that. And now it's like, if 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:00.600 you can't do that, I'm not sure you could play 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.120 in the league anymore. It's like, it's crazy how the 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:04.760 league is developed. And here we are looking at the 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:09.040 top of this draft. I've got three massive basketball players 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.200 who are all incredibly skilled already for their positions, some 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.120 more than others. The other thing you said that thought 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.080 was really interesting is that big wing hybrid. And this 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.320 is a key you know, as we get into the 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:24.200 position list league. It's not so much that you know, uh, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.640 it's all the same position. It's more just that the 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.560 positions have kind of melded into combinations of each other, 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.520 right Like, instead of it being like kind of one, two, three, 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.240 four five, it's more like it's more like guard wing, 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.080 wing and big wing, you know what I mean. And 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.280 what's what's interesting about the idea of a big wing 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.280 is they kind of have a different level of mismatch 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.440 potential than a normal wing does. So for instance, like 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.840 look at how Andrew Wiggins was able to contain Jason 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:55.920 Tatum in a good defensive scheme because he had the 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.080 physical tools to match what Jayson Tatum was doing. And 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.960 then you even saw Clay Thompson, who didn't even have 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.440 the same set of physical tools as Jalen Brown have 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.000 a ton of success containing Jalen Brown over the course 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.680 of that series because Jalen Brown did not have that 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.080 back to the basket game to punish with his size, 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.800 and and even if Tatum did, he just doesn't have 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.320 the physical tools over and Andrew Wiggins. You know, like 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.160 that type of player, that type of wing defender against 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:25.120 Paolo might be too small, and he might have the 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.720 ability to get to fight for position in certain spots 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.200 on the floor where his handle doesn't matter as much. 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:35.920 Allah Mellow in a face up role feet from the basket, 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.440 and suddenly it's like, even if he does a hard 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:40.920 dribble to the right and Wiggins cuts him off, he 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.200 can bump him, turn his back and immediately have an 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.880 arsenal of moves to go to where Wiggins can't defend 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.840 him because he's just a touch too small and and 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.160 and you know in the modern NBA, when you go 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.280 five out and it becomes matchup attacking, I think that 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:59.600 can be a huge weapon. Because even Steph Curry on 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.080 switch Is was having success sitting on Tatum in Brown's 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.000 right hand and forcing them into step backs and things 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.159 along those lines. Back to the basket game is so 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.000 rare in the NBA, the NBA these days, and it's 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.640 not just post up back to the basket fade away 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.520 over Bull's shoulder. It's kind of like the Lebron thing 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.239 where it can be like a full court post up 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.560 where you're turning your back and spinning and going into 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.720 moves and hooks and things along those lines. So I 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:27.560 just in general, also that I didn't even hear about 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:30.479 his wingspan. That's crazy over seven foot wingspan. That's another 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.840 good piece for him Defensively. That kind of means that 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.080 the very least he can be a decent positional defender 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:38.120 that can force people to shoot over the top by 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.399 giving ground, you know what I mean. So I I 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.399 I'm really curious to see. So I'm I'm gonna guess. 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:47.119 I'm gonna guess, Carson that your number one is Chet 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:51.440 home Grint. Is that okay? So let's do this. Explain 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:53.720 to me why you would take Chet over pal Out, 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.880 not just as a player, but also specifically for Orlando 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.160 who seems to be having plenty of length defensive athletes 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.560 and not enough offensive creation. So this is true, However, 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.639 I would argue that Orlando drafting based on their current 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:13.080 roster in kind of every anyway is probably shortsighted beyond like, 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.800 you know, trying to get another Cole Anthony. But even 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.440 it's like, nobody to me on the Orlando Magic roster 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.640 is irreplaceable. So I think they should be in best 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:24.720 player available mode fundamentally. Uh, it certainly seems like they're 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.080 gonna take Jabari. That's what really all the reporting is 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.680 right now, and Jabari Smith is a very good prospect. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:32.760 But when it comes to Chet, I think what you 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.680 said is really interesting about who. You can see both 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.359 Chet and Jabari becoming kind of just role players offensively, 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.840 whereas Paolo you don't see that path. I think the 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.800 thing is, if Chet's a role player offensively, it's a 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.320 damn good role player, like a fifteen eighteen point per 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:54.359 game score still, because he just is so perfectly built 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:56.640 in terms of his skill set to fit in as 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.520 a modern NBA big I think, like, obviously everybody will 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.440 talk about the fact that he pounds, that's a problem, 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.879 but his blend of athleticism and skill is completely ideal. 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:08.960 Like he's a thirty nine percent three point shooter. So 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:11.880 the pick and pop game is absolutely lethal. He's legitimately 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:15.680 very quick for his position and is a slippery lob 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.439 threat and a massive target in there because the guy 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.680 is huge and ridiculously long. So it's just like playing 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.480 off of good NBA guards. Well, great, you feed him anywhere. 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.000 He's a thirty three point freeter. He's got sev on 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.919 twos in college and okay, somebody clothes out hard on him. 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:33.720 He's quick enough to attack the clothes out. His ball 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.120 handling is easily good enough for him to go out 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.080 and make you pay there. He even has a little 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.680 bit of that intermediate game. So I just think Jet 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.800 is not gonna be an offensive centerpiece. To me, I 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.280 don't think Jet is every twenty five point per game score. 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.439 I don't think it is, hey, we're running tons of 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:50.480 offense through him in the post, because I don't know 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.240 that he'll ever be strong enough to have that really 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.080 high level back to the basket game. But I think 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.600 it is is like, hey, we have a guy who 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:01.679 is a better Christian it offensively and is also, by 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:03.560 the way, a really good positional past, and I think 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.119 we'll see more and more of that in the league. 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:09.200 Who is also like potentially best defensive player alive because 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.880 he's just an absolute freak on that end. I mean, 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:15.200 I don't know that we have seen a better shot 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:18.760 blocker in college since Anthony Davis three point seven a game. 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:23.879 It's unbelievable, and he is so incredibly instinctual there. His 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.560 length is unfathomable, like he can just block a shot 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.240 from anywhere. He's perfect as a help side ring protector. 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:34.480 He fared shockingly well against really good post scorers. Like 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.200