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Speaker 1: NBA Draft is tomorrow, so we are going to be

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Speaker 1: taking some time today just to look at the top picks.

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Speaker 1: Don't nearly have enough time after that WorldWind of a

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Speaker 1: be our very own Carson Um. I know he's done

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Speaker 1: to be bringing Carson on today to talk about just

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Speaker 1: the top guys in this year's draft, mainly the top

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Speaker 1: five players that I see in this set. Now, before

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Speaker 1: wanted to take just a couple of minutes to talk

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Speaker 1: about something that I've always paid very close to Engine

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Speaker 1: two in the draft, because I do think it's very interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know, every NBA team, even poorly run NBA teams

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Speaker 1: preparing to play the Orlando Magic, or or what's going

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Speaker 1: on with free agent signings or things along those lines.

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Speaker 1: For the most part, they pay attention to collegiate basketball

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Speaker 1: players and they look or overseas basketball players or players

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Speaker 1: And yet they still make mistakes all the time. And

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Speaker 1: him your TikTok page and like, I've always been so

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Speaker 1: chest in successfully do so, try to go up and

431
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Speaker 1: then still he's just he's just so impossibly long, you know.

432
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 1: I I I've heard the camp of you know, Rudy

433
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: Gobert with offense, that's the one that everyone keeps throwing around.

434
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Speaker 1: You know, in general, I think Robert Williams. The Celtics

435
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 1: use Robert Williams is a great example of this too.

436
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 1: Like you know, the truth of the matter is is

437
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 1: there are not any defenders in the league except for

438
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: maybe one or two that can successfully garden and beat

439
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: or Yoki. So, like we're talking like Anthony Davis or

440
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 1: Gobert or Janice might be the only three guys in

441
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: the league that can go head up with a guy

442
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: like that and contain them to a certain extent. So

443
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: like the idea of Chet Homegron being able to guard

444
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: those guys who cares like I don't expect anybody to

445
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: I see them defensively. Uh, the way Boston used Robert

446
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: Williams in the playoffs, I thought was really interesting, consistently

447
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: putting him in a position where he can roam, where

448
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 1: it's not about what he can do in an isolation situation.

449
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: It's more just he's kind of flying around just making

450
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: plays defensively. And I could see Chet, especially early in

451
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: his career, when he doesn't have the physical tools to

452
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: really hang in a in a bullyball situation, I could

453
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 1: see him doing a lot of that roaming and most importantly,

454
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: like you guys know, I'm super high on five out basketball.

455
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: I think it's the best way to successfully allow your

456
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: slashers to have opportunities to be comfortable on offense. And

457
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: even like one of the subplots of the Finals was

458
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: Robert Williams was playing so well defensively that they played

459
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: him big minutes and consistently throughout the playoff run. Whenever

460
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: Rob Williams was on the floor, the Celtics sucked on offense,

461
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: and whenever he was whenever he was off the floor,

462
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: they were great on offense. And the reason why is

463
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: they went five out without Horford kind of tucked in

464
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: the corner or atop of the key. So point being

465
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Speaker 1: like having a center who can successfully do what Robert

466
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Speaker 1: Williams does, but also has the ability to one stretch

467
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: the floor in a five out situation to attack closeouts

468
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: because that dude can put the basketball on the floor

469
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Speaker 1: and make plays. I'm glad you pointed out his passing

470
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: him getting all those reps in high schools an on

471
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: ball player I think are so important in this specific situation.

472
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: And most importantly, he could push the break at the

473
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Speaker 1: rebound and bring the ball up the floor and hanging

474
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Speaker 1: an up and down style of game because he has

475
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Speaker 1: the foot speed, uh to be able to do that.

476
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Speaker 1: So I'm with you, I'm I am very high on him.

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Speaker 1: The thing again, like that concerns me, is I just

478
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Speaker 1: I've seen way too many times that the guy who

479
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Speaker 1: ends up determining these series is that top top, top

480
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: end offensive talent. Now here's the thing. There's no guarantee

481
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: that Paulo is gonna be mellow. You know, like, for instance,

482
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: there are a lot of players around the league to

483
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: have kind of similar skills. This is gonna don't take

484
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Speaker 1: this comp seriously because it's not a direct comp. I'm

485
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: just focusing on a specific thing. But Kyle Kuzma, for instance,

486
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: doesn't didn't have a great first step and had these

487
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: scoring flashes where when his jump shot was going and

488
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: his handle was going, he looked like an All star.

489
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: But his handle and jump shot were so inconsistent that

490
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: he was monstrously inconsistent because he couldn't con instantly beat

491
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: people off the dribble. So there's a lot up in

492
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: the air for Paolo. And obviously he's a way better

493
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 1: player than Kuzma was, but that similar dynamic I could

494
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: see being an issue if he doesn't develop in that

495
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: first five six years of his career, whereas Chet Holmgren,

496
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Speaker 1: It's like Rudy Gobert With's offense is like a guaranteed

497
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: floor for him. So like you you're you're gonna get

498
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: that really high level play at him. So I do

499
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: think you're. I guess I'll give you this. I think

500
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: he's a safer number one overall pick. But I but

501
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: I I think I personally would go for defences with

502
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Speaker 1: with Paolo so Um. First of all, why in the

503
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: world do you think Orlando wants to take Jabari Smith first?

504
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. And I don't know, because

505
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: I think Jabari is really good. But I think he

506
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: is a clear third guy to me. I do too,

507
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: I do too. Like, I mean, he's right out the

508
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: gates three and D guy right but like and he

509
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: has a star ceiling. But like we were talking about

510
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: how Paulo needs to develop his handle and become more

511
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: system as a jump shooter. But like Jabari Smith's handle

512
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: right now is weak by NBA standards. Um, I don't

513
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: know if there's an NBA wing in the world right

514
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: now that wouldn't have trouble holding him in his spot

515
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: because of his weaker handle at this point, I you know,

516
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: and what worries me is like, would you be the

517
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: least bit shocked if Jabari Smith turned into Michael Bridges? Now,

518
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: Michael Michael Bridges is a great basketball player. I think

519
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: he finished second Defensive Player of the Year voting this

520
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: year close to that. I can't remember exactly what it was.

521
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: Michael Bridges is a great player. But what happened this

522
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: year when Devin Booker started to struggle and Chris Paul

523
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: basically went down, Like Michael Bridges wasn't capable of creating

524
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 1: offense at a high enough level. And so, you know,

525
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: my thing is like there's obviously a version of his

526
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: story where he becomes a much much better player than

527
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: he is. He's already a fantastic shooter with audacity rivaling

528
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: the greatest shooters in the league. He just it's some

529
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: of the footage on him, of him on tape. His

530
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: coaches had to have been like, like, like, he will

531
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,199
Speaker 1: just dribble the ball off the floor, take contest at

532
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: three is like not even not even off a step back,

533
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: Like he'll just elevate and go because he's so much

534
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: taller and more athletic than everybody, and it's it's it's

535
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: super intriguing player. But I just see him having potentially

536
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: the lowest floor out of these three guys, and that's

537
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: what concerns me the most. That's interesting because I actually

538
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: think his floor is a really good basketball player because

539
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: of two things. He is such an exceptional shooter. I

540
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: mean from deep at six ten, and like you said,

541
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: it's off movement, it's from everywhere. It's ridiculous, it's highly

542
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: contested all the time. He's an otherworldly shooter. So because

543
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: of that, and because of the fact that he is

544
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: a really good defensive toolbag seven one wing span, legitimate

545
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: defensive playmaker, was over a steel and a block of game.

546
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: Moves his feet really well, and as a high motor,

547
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: he's a good positional rebounder. To me, it's like three. Indeed,

548
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: he'll be very good. I don't see how he doesn't

549
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: score fifteen a game efficiently and isn't a really good defender.

550
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: Where I actually struggle beyond that is seeing the likely

551
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: path for him to some sort of superstar ceiling. Because

552
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: I understand that people look at the pure shot making

553
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: and they think that it is durant Esk or whatever,

554
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: like reminiscent of you know, the great Wings. The problem

555
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: is he does not separate in any way because his

556
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 1: first step is not remotely impressive for his position, and

557
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: like you said, I mean, his handle is so far away.

558
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: He's upright, it's awkward, it's not controlled, and he's not

559
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: even close to a standout playmaker. He's not a good

560
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: passer at this point. So it's like, yeah, the pure

561
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: shot is there, but you need so much more than

562
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: that if you're gonna be an offensive centerpiece as a wing.

563
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: And I just think Jabari has a really long way

564
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: to go, and it's not honestly easy for me to

565
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: see him figuring all that out. Yeah he's he's clearly

566
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: in the top three, but to me, he's clearly number three,

567
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: and he's far too risky to take number one, Like

568
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: how can you? How can? And there's there's all sorts

569
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: of intel, like there's intel that Orlando might trade down

570
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: to get him, and things along those lines. My thing

571
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: is like with prospects like Chet and Paolo on the

572
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: on the board, I don't know how you could go

573
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: for a player like Jabar you you talk to the

574
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: awkwardness is what stands out to me most on film,

575
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: there is a you know, because we're gonna we're gonna

576
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: get to this a little bit here in just a

577
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: second with Jade and Ivy and Shade and sharp Um.

578
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: But like, there's a there's a certain amount of polish

579
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: in fluidity that separates the top level scores from the

580
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: guys just beneath them. For instance, I'll give you like,

581
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: on the top level, it's the difference between Kevin Durant

582
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: and Lebron, Like, as Lebron is a very good score

583
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: and he's the second best basketball player ever to play

584
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: the game, but optically there's an obvious difference in fluidity

585
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: between him and Kevin Durant and the smoothness with which

586
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: he gets to his moves and it, and I do

587
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: think that that does end up manifesting and something like

588
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: I do think Kevin Duran's a better score than Lebron,

589
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: not statistically because Lebron is more of a p hour player,

590
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: but in terms of his like fluidity as a score,

591
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: he has an edge there. And so I I just think,

592
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: like in general, just like, and here's the other thing.

593
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: Last thing, I'll say about the bars before we move forward.

594
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: Handle in particular, there's a reason why there's so many

595
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: great players around the league to half weak handles. It

596
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: is the most tedious and boring thing to work on,

597
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: and the progress is slow. Like it's very similar to

598
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: jump shooting in that the progress is very slow, Like

599
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: you have to shoot thousands of jumps. You have to

600
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: shoot like a thousand jump shots every day every summer

601
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: for years to get to the point where you're a functional,

602
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: like dependable NBA three point shooter. The differences. It's fun

603
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: to go up to the gym and shoot, you put

604
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: some music on, you shoot all day. But like when

605
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to like doing legit ball handling drills

606
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: at game speed, usually with usually it helps to have

607
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: someone they're hitting you to add contact because handling, just

608
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: ask Jalen Brown how easy it is to dribble when

609
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: someone's hitting at your arm like you like you that

610
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: that left. That type of development is so tedious that

611
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: when I see a guy like Jabari Smith, I'm like,

612
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: he's got so long to go for that handle to

613
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: become functional that it just it just seems like more

614
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: of a long shot to me. Regularly so go ahead.

615
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: He regularly turns his back to the basket because he's

616
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: so uncomfortable with his handle. And the last number I'll

617
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: say that I think is trumbling with him is he

618
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: was forty three and a half percent on two's. It's like,

619
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be a great score, you gotta get

620
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: the easy stuff. You can have the beautiful, difficult shot

621
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: making and the turnarounds and the crazy three's off movement

622
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: or whatever, but you gotta be able to get to

623
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: the rim. You gotta be able to get to the line.

624
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: And he just really struggle. I mean, he's actually pretty

625
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: crafty drawing fouls on jump shots, but like the easy stuff,

626
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: exploding to the cup, just getting by people, getting those

627
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: easy twos, he doesn't really do yet. So I'm with you.

628
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: I think we have a lot of the same concerns

629
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: about Jabari with his physical tools. That's inexcusable in terms

630
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: of that load of percent. I shouldn't say an excuse,

631
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: but it's just not a good sign. Um. I liked

632
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: what you said earlier to where you're like, it's like

633
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: he's not getting separation, he's just shooting over the top.

634
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: And you see that a lot on like his post

635
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: up fade aways where it's like a good post up

636
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: fade away, you pound the basketball and hit someone in

637
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: the chest to create initial separation, and then you spin

638
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: either way into the shot. And usually if you get

639
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: really good lift and you hit them hard enough, you'll

640
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: not only get a shot off, you'll get a great,

641
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: high quality fade away up. He kind of just turns

642
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: and fires and he's getting smothered. He just happens to

643
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: be so damn big and such a good shooter that

644
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: he can knock some of them down. And I think

645
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: that honestly leads to how he draws fouls. Um So,

646
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: the two guys that I cut out, we're Keegan Murray

647
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: and Ben Matherin. I think Ben Matherin is a lesser

648
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: version of Shade and Sharper Jade and Ivy in a

649
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: lot of different ways. And I'll explain why in a second.

650
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: Kegan Murray to me, athletically, I think he's gonna have

651
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: a lot of issues and and his heat to me.

652
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: To me, he will be a very good NBA role player,

653
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: but I just don't see him as having anywhere near

654
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: the up side as these other guys have. So to me,

655
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: it was a tough decision between Jade and Ivy or

656
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: Shade and Sharp to go with number four, and I

657
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: ended up I ended up going with Jade and Ivy,

658
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: But I do think Shaden Sharp has a higher ceiling.

659
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: What concerns me with Shaden Sharp is he kind of

660
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: reminds me of Kevin Porter Jr. A little bit in

661
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: the sense that the highlights and the flashes are so

662
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: so good, but at the end of the day, he's

663
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: addicted to the difficult jump shot. His shot profile is

664
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: that of a uh like he hunts the most difficult

665
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: shots on the floor, and he he kind of fits

666
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: the profile of like the bigger athlete, but the one

667
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: that's a little bit more thin and spindle e easily

668
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: easier to knock off of his line, whereas Jade and

669
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: Ivy is like that power athlete. And he almost reminds

670
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: me of Dwyane Wade in the sense that his center

671
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: of gravity is low. He takes these long steps, guys

672
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: bounce off of him. When I talk about center of gravity,

673
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: low center of gravity means it's it really is just

674
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: like fancy speak for when you're on a line, if

675
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: you run into somebody, do they bump off of you

676
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: or do you bump off of them? Like to me

677
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: that it's what brings power to athleticism, and I do

678
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: think I think Jaden Ivy is the right kind of

679
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: NBA athlete the combination of power with the low center

680
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: of gravity, the vertical athleticism, and the size and length

681
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: to be good. But I just don't think Jada Ivy

682
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: is nearly is polished from the perimeter. Is Shaden sharp

683
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: right now? But Jaden sharp? It's like, dude, how many

684
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: times have we seen a guy like Kevin Porter Jr.

685
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: Who has all the skill, who has the shot making,

686
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, it just doesn't amount to an

687
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: impactful basketball player. I also think Jade and Ivy is

688
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: a better defensive player at this point. But what what's

689
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: your initial takeaway on those two guys after that? I'll

690
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: I'll ask you if you would replace them entirely. But

691
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: with those two guys, what do you like dislike about them?

692
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: And which one would you take over the other? I

693
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: would take Ivy as well. I think he's a pretty

694
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: clear fourth guy, and I think he's just got a

695
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: lot of skill offensively. You know, you mentioned the athleticism,

696
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: and I think he also has really nice change and pace.

697
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,919
Speaker 1: I think he maneuver's traffic really well. I just think

698
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: he's like a great paint guard and he has the

699
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 1: big time pull up jump shooting. His percentages weren't always great.

700
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: We'll see exactly what they end up being at the league,

701
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: but I mean, the shot creation is there, right. He

702
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: can get the shot that he wants. It's just a

703
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: matter of making it consistently. But in the lane, I

704
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: just think he's crafty and he kind of gets what

705
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: he wants. And I also think, you know, he probably

706
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: has more of a playmaking ceiling. I think he's too

707
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: chaotic as a passer right now is kind of the

708
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: word I would describe. I don't think he always has

709
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: a plan, but I think that that stuff will probably

710
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: develop and sharp. I think is really interesting because I

711
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: think he belongs in the top five. But at the

712
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: same time, you know, he's kind of a bigger question

713
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 1: mark just because we haven't seen him for a year.

714
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: And I mean, he was the top prospect in the class,

715
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: So you know, a guy like that always has the

716
00:35:55,320 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: potential to be an absolute stud. It's just are going

717
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: to naturally follow it when people don't see you, but

718
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with a lot of you said

719
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: really impressive athlete. I think that the jump shot with

720
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: him is like very legitimate. I think it's kind of

721
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: all the tools are there for him to be a

722
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: really high level scoring wing. It's just strange when the

723
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: last time you saw a guy play was you know,

724
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 1: against high school talent. Like it's it's a weird dynamic

725
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: with him. I still think his talent alone is evident

726
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: on that tape where he should be fifth, but I

727
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't be comfortable taking him higher than that. To me,

728
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: that not playing thing is a huge red flag, um.

729
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: And I put that in my notes for Jade and Ivy,

730
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: like like I would talked earlier about the four things

731
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: that that are difficult or more difficult to scout and

732
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: the reason why people have misses in front offices, and

733
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: Jade and Ivy has this readily apparent competitive fire, like

734
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: he attacks every basketball game, and I just kind of

735
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: think about, like if I was in Shade and Sharp's

736
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: position and I'm not And again I'm not trying. I'm

737
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: just saying I disagree, so I'm not This might end

738
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: up being the best decision he ever made to not play. Um.

739
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: But like, there's no way in hell you're keeping me

740
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: off of Like, if I'm healthy, I don't care if

741
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: I've got an agent knocking down my door saying, hey, dude,

742
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: don't play so you can get rich. I'm like, that's great.

743
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: I want to play basketball and and I sure as

744
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: how I want to play basketball for Kentuct, So get

745
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: me out on that court it you know, But the

746
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 1: the jump shot is the huge differentiator in terms of

747
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: the skill sets right now, Like Jade and Ivy has

748
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: just a little bit of a hitch and it's very

749
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: in front of his face as opposed to up higher.

750
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: What concerns me with that is he's he's getting it

751
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: off now, but against dominant NBA perimeter athletes on the

752
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: on the defensive end, I think that higher release point

753
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: that's a little bit more fluid that Shade and Sharp

754
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: has is a more realistic jump shot for him to

755
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: be able to get off. Um. The problem. So, like

756
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: I see on the low end, Jade and Ivy being

757
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: kind of like a Eric Gordon type of player, like

758
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: a box like like built like a fridge type of

759
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: smaller guard who has a really good jump shot when

760
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: he's set because like Eric Gordon. Everyone always jokes Eric

761
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: Gordon has like the dream jump shot for him because

762
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: his his elbow is perfectly tucked and it's very mechanical.

763
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: But Eric Gordon had a slow release and Eric Gordon

764
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a hitch, and so as

765
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: a result, he didn't have the ability to get as

766
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: into his jump shot as fluidly as some of the

767
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: better guards around the league do. So like it's it's

768
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: a tough one for me, Like I would take Jade

769
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: and Ivy, but I wouldn't be the least bits of

770
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: I mean, Jaden Sharp has potential to be the best

771
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: prospect in this entire class, Like everyone keeps comparing him.

772
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 1: He himself compares himself to Devin Booker and Bradley Beal.

773
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: He's twice the athlete that either of those guys, and

774
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: so like there's a version of that story with Shade

775
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: and Sharp where he's flat out better than the than

776
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: than any of those guys ever could be. So it's

777
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: really interesting. So before we get out of here, I

778
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: wanted to hear your opinion. What would what would your

779
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: top five look like? And if you have a different

780
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: guy in the top five than I did, give me

781
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: your two cents on them, So the only switch for

782
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: me would be chatting Palo. So I would go Chet

783
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: one Palo to Jabari three, Ivy four, and then Sharp five.

784
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: I think that Keegan Murray is interesting. I agree with

785
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: you in terms of the athletic limitations. I mean, he

786
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: is a beautiful, incredibly skilled offensive basketball player, and you know,

787
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: a real defensive playmaker too, and like a versatile guy.

788
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: I think he'll be really good at the next level.

789
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: But he's old and he doesn't have a ton of

790
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: room to grow, in my opinion, so I like him

791
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: a lot, but I don't think he belongs in the

792
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: top five mathroin is. I mean in terms of just

793
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,720
Speaker 1: if you're looking at two things, which is explosive athleticism

794
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: and really impressive three point shooting which can kind of

795
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: be the launching point for any wing, to just being

796
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: a good player. He's got those two things in droves.

797
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't have quite as much confidence as him beyond that,

798
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: compared to the the only guy who you didn't mention,

799
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: I would say is in this same tier you had

800
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: in a tier of seven, I would say there's a

801
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: tier of eight, and I would include Dyson Daniels in

802
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: that who was G League night guy, just because I

803
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: think he's got really impressive feel for the game and

804
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: I think it is really versatile. And he did not

805
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: shoot the ball well from three, and he was twenty

806
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: five percent in the G League over fourteen games. That's

807
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: to me kind of the only issue. I mean, it

808
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: does look okay, and yeah, I just think defensively, I mean,

809
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: he projects well, he's got good size, he's a pretty

810
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: good athlete. You know, he's not mathroin levels certainly, but

811
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: and then he has like real playmaking feel where you

812
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: see him having these close to triple double games and

813
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: he can just kind of control things as a wing.

814
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: So those would be my couple guys. But I agree

815
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: with the top five. I think that sharp ceiling is

816
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: too high to leave him off because after that, it's like,

817
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: you know, the best version of Keegan Murray or of

818
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: Dyson Daniels. I just don't think it can approach the

819
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: best version of Sharp with that blend of pure athletic

820
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: is um and shot making. Yeah, no, I agree, I

821
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: I'll I think Dison Dyson Daniels probably belongs in this

822
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: list as well. I allowed that. I uh, I I

823
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: must have been doing something right, Carson, because our list

824
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: looks pretty similar. And I take that and I respect

825
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: your opinion very much. One last note before we get

826
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: out of here that one of the things that impressed

827
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: me so much about Keegan Murray that I think is

828
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: gonna be a really, uh powerful weapon at the NBA level.

829
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I've ever seen a young basketball player,

830
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: and I know he's older than typical college players, but

831
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I've ever seen a young player other

832
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: than post players, because you'll see guys, you know, guys

833
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: like Julia Locaffer that have this type of skill set.

834
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: But it's very rare to see a young basketball player

835
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: who's primarily a wing, even though he's kind of like

836
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: a wing big kind of uh like Palo Is, who's

837
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: this comfortable with his back to the basket. He he

838
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: can turn over both shoulders, he can keep his dribble alive.

839
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: He's really good at finishing over the top of smaller

840
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: defenders when he's closer to the basket with those like

841
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: classic bank shots, like half hook bank shots. And then

842
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: he's incredible with deep seals, like he's very good at

843
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: obtaining quick post position and then getting a catch and

844
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: quickly scoring, making himself available for a post entry in

845
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: a quick score that I think he's the kind of

846
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: guy that like I could see a guy like he can.

847
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: He won't make it to Golden State, but I could

848
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: see a guy like that thriving for a really smart

849
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: basketball team that is good at getting players like him

850
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: easy opportunities elsewhere on the floor. UM. Alright, guys, that

851
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: is all we have for today. Carson, you were amazing.

852
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: That was exactly what I was hoping to get from

853
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 1: you today and you knocked it out of the park. UM.

854
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: As always, I appreciate your guys support, enjoy the draft,

855
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: and we will see you guys, probably on Friday or Saturday.

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Speaker 1: The volume