Speaker 1: Hello everyone.
Speaker 2: I'm Devin Simone and I'm Davon Rogers and this is
Speaker 2: MTV's official Challenge podcast, back with another episode. It looked hot.
Speaker 1: Why was it so hot?
Speaker 3: Day?
Speaker 1: Good God?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it almost took Michelle on up
Speaker 2: out of here. Devin was almost single.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm surprised they didn't have the ghost of
Speaker 1: Devon's past popping then, you know how they had them
Speaker 1: all episode like popping in. I'm surprised she didn't have delusions.
Speaker 2: That he was there with hers, but you know who
Speaker 2: was there with her, Olivia, and their little friendship is
Speaker 2: just so cute to me. It's like watching them in
Speaker 2: the back of that the ambulance truck. It was just
Speaker 2: so cute to me. And I was like, Okay, now
Speaker 2: you better be there and encourage your friend to stick
Speaker 2: it out because my girls ready to go home.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, which was interesting to hear Michelle say
Speaker 1: like as a whole one. When she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I think people see me as the weakest player here.
Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, and what world? And then too, when
Speaker 1: she's like, now that's Devin gone, My why is gone
Speaker 1: or a lot of my why is gone? I also
Speaker 1: was surprised by that just because she's so We've said
Speaker 1: this a million times such as competitible. Yeah, and she's
Speaker 1: so competent, so that was really surprising to see. Were
Speaker 1: you surprised everybody seemed to be giving theo crap about
Speaker 1: how slow him being a runner and like how slow
Speaker 1: he was going. Were you surprised by any of the
Speaker 1: performances in this daily.
Speaker 2: Not with the heat, not with the layer of that heat,
Speaker 2: because we were there, we experienced it, Devin, it hot,
Speaker 2: it was hot. It's hot, so I can only imagine
Speaker 2: how it was the longer that they were there. So no,
Speaker 2: not with that heat, all bets are off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Were you surprised to see Jordan and
Speaker 1: Tory come out on top?
Speaker 2: No, like it's Jordan and Tory. Absolutely not. I did
Speaker 2: think it was so cute though, you know how they
Speaker 2: turned around and fists pumped each other. I don't know
Speaker 2: them as that duo is terrifying because they are so powerful.
Speaker 2: Like that's absolutely And I wonder if because everyone right
Speaker 2: now is so focused on Johnny, but shouldn't you kind
Speaker 2: of be paying attention to that, Like, yeah, that's a
Speaker 2: little scary. Why aren't we looking at that?
Speaker 4: Dad?
Speaker 1: Dynamic is super powerful and I love seeing them come
Speaker 1: back to this friendship. Now, yeah, we've gone through some
Speaker 1: years and some fights and some things, and so I
Speaker 1: love I honestly do think when it's not Look it
Speaker 1: only works in certain situations, but I do think that
Speaker 1: actually when you can be exes that become friends again,
Speaker 1: like when you started as friends, became a couple, didn't
Speaker 1: work out, made was toxic, but you finally circle back
Speaker 1: to that friendship, I actually think that is one hell
Speaker 1: of a powerful dynamic, and just in life in general.
Speaker 1: So it's cool. And then when you have two crazy
Speaker 1: athletes like these two, yeah, I'd be scared, oh if
Speaker 1: I were competing because that.
Speaker 2: Powerhouse.
Speaker 1: That is a superpowerhouse. So Ryan Michelle were the losers
Speaker 1: this time. Ryan did the puzzle with no backwards Yeah. Completely,
Speaker 1: you couldn't see anything on the puzzle, So I don't
Speaker 1: know how that works. And then the shell poor thing
Speaker 1: thought she was in Canada. I don't know, she just wasn't,
Speaker 1: which is not her fault because heat exhostion is a
Speaker 1: real thing, so it is I mean, not her fault
Speaker 1: at all. So then we go into the chamber. We
Speaker 1: find out it's a male elimination, right, and ultimately, while
Speaker 1: both people it sounds like both people kind of get
Speaker 1: a boat, it's really the woman that decides. So it's
Speaker 1: like even if the guy's not on board, kind of
Speaker 1: like in real life, right, like the woman, you know,
Speaker 1: the woman in ultimately exactly, it is ultimately making the decision.
Speaker 1: And so Tory seems torn at first between because have
Speaker 1: we seen this this season so far where one of
Speaker 1: the well, I guess probably not because the setup has
Speaker 1: changed differently, but like, yeah, okay, we haven't. So what's
Speaker 1: interesting is those are there's three targets if you will, right,
Speaker 1: and yet one of the three targets already ends up
Speaker 1: in elimination because they get last Ryan. So then there's
Speaker 1: only two people for Tory and Jordan, but mainly toy
Speaker 1: to choose and going against Ryan rather than three target
Speaker 1: what there could have been right to say THEO had
Speaker 1: lost or something. So so it's really between two people,
Speaker 1: one being Ryan's best friend in the house Derek, and
Speaker 1: the other being Bananas. And we started to see some
Speaker 1: things kind of pop off with Torrian Bananas in previous
Speaker 1: episode and it starts to create a full blown war.
Speaker 2: It seems it gives very much a big brother little
Speaker 2: sister because even when he walked in and he kind
Speaker 2: of like pushed her head to the side, I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: now hold on, slow down, right, and then like them
Speaker 2: the exchange of going back and forth and then him,
Speaker 2: I wish you would like, I'm not gonna lie. That
Speaker 2: was one of my favorite moments. Yeah, because I like
Speaker 2: that when he was like, I wish you, I wish
Speaker 2: you will give me a reason.
Speaker 1: You're gonna need to teach him though, how to give
Speaker 1: the delivery on that day. I felt like he was reading.
Speaker 1: He had rehearsed it a couple of times, and it
Speaker 1: came out, but it came out with the conviction of
Speaker 1: a Tyler Perry movie, not necessarily the conviction of like,
Speaker 1: you know, like if you had said it or something,
Speaker 1: I'm big brother, so I need you to work on
Speaker 1: him with that delivery. But I too, I like that
Speaker 1: he sort of was like, instead of cowering and running
Speaker 1: from it, he was like, you know what, fine, and uh,
Speaker 1: yeah that was that was a bit of a badass move.
Speaker 1: But I also feel like Tory had to know what
Speaker 1: she was doing because Bananas was not wrong. The odds
Speaker 1: of Bananas coming back were high. Yeah, not against Ryan,
Speaker 1: just in general, like in general, like they're high.
Speaker 2: He's been here for since nineteen oh two, girl, okay.
Speaker 1: Right before electricity, Like, I you know, so yeah, and
Speaker 1: I know apparently we've learned from Devin. There was talks
Speaker 1: of Banana sort of saying kind of pulling a Tony
Speaker 1: a little bit right, which is like, yeah, I may
Speaker 1: not be here, I may not be here, I may
Speaker 1: not want.
Speaker 2: To be here.
Speaker 1: But you think it was strategy though, yes, because well,
Speaker 1: well I'll say this whether or not it's strategy or instinct,
Speaker 1: because there is still this button, the chat and compressed
Speaker 1: where when you're in that competitive mindset or zone or
Speaker 1: watching the competition, for some of us, it is still
Speaker 1: hard to like turn that off, you know. So like
Speaker 1: you can say, like most of the times when I
Speaker 1: get a call, I'm not gonna lie. I answer it,
Speaker 1: and there's at least one moment that I think about it.
Speaker 1: I think about it because even though I say definitively
Speaker 1: I won't, there's a part of me that is still
Speaker 1: a challenger and kind of you know, it's competitive that way,
Speaker 1: and especially for someone like Bananas. Yes, he may be
Speaker 1: looking at sort of this new chapter right in his life,
Speaker 1: in his career, he has his gym, all these other things,
Speaker 1: but at his core, he's still competitive. And so I
Speaker 1: find the idea of him laying down his sword easily is.
Speaker 2: Just And who knows, maybe even if that was his mindset,
Speaker 2: maybe he needed this elimination to get his head back
Speaker 2: in the.
Speaker 1: Game, right to Mario Kart Mario Karki also Nea Maia
Speaker 1: casually world records in Mario, like wait, what.
Speaker 2: I don't even know that that was a thing?
Speaker 1: No, And can we backcheck that, like where's the Guinness Book?
Speaker 1: Can somebody tweet us or dms please and let us
Speaker 1: know the fact checks on that, because it's both impressive
Speaker 1: but also you know, absolutely crazy. So then we get
Speaker 1: to the arguably the only elimination and challenge history that
Speaker 1: I would want to compete in, And is this killer Quads.
Speaker 1: It looks so fun, it looks so doable, maybe not
Speaker 1: to Ryan but in general, and I too live in
Speaker 1: New York and don't drive on a regular basis. But
Speaker 1: Bananas ultimately sends home Ryan, and then Bananas is excited
Speaker 1: for this, like new power he's drunk with power. This
Speaker 1: actually played out so beautiful. I mean, I'm so happy
Speaker 1: he's drunk with power, ready to go off to Toy.
Speaker 1: You just know Tori's u's on his mouth and TJ's like,
Speaker 1: I remember, Tory is not available to be picked, and
Speaker 1: then you just see bananas like Flombey Tory was estantic, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and so they start yelling at each other, which, like
Speaker 1: you said, was kind of brothers sister dynamic. The way
Speaker 1: she's yelling at him. She's like, you can eat my
Speaker 1: but you know all that. So then he picks women
Speaker 1: that are aligned with Tori and Devin as like a
Speaker 1: consolation prize.
Speaker 2: That was crazy.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was an episode I thought that I did
Speaker 1: not expect.
Speaker 2: I didn't. Well, he did say he was going to
Speaker 2: go after Nayat, he did Riet out of his mouth,
Speaker 2: so that wasn't a shocker. But coming with the Michelle
Speaker 2: well gay not not really because this is still about Devon, right,
Speaker 2: so maybe.
Speaker 1: Though, remember they were friends, because that whole point allegedly
Speaker 1: of when he was warning Michelle about Devon.
Speaker 2: Was because Michelle right right, just to turn around and
Speaker 2: not that this game is insane.
Speaker 1: I want to know what's in the water in that house.
Speaker 1: I want to Devin, if we ever go back, you
Speaker 1: better never do me like that. I've already told you
Speaker 1: this I have. Do you know how many years have
Speaker 1: taken me. You guys can get Davon to commit that
Speaker 1: she will never do that to me. This girl's like
Speaker 1: Fort Knox when it comes to trusting people. I feel
Speaker 1: like I find achieved my highest level of being in
Speaker 1: self in life, that Devon officially trusts me and that
Speaker 1: we're like she made friends. It is such an honor.
Speaker 1: But no, of course I wouldn't. Of course I wouldn't like. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: we already know how I like to play. I like
Speaker 1: people that you can trust their word, which is why
Speaker 1: Era three and four make me nervous. And I know
Speaker 1: we're not in errors anymore, but I just feel like
Speaker 1: they're so wishy washy sometimes yeah, that it just makes it.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it. Whereas I
Speaker 1: feel like the earlier eras, if anything, they're too old
Speaker 1: to commit to lies because they know they won't remember
Speaker 1: in the morning. And you know, I would fit in
Speaker 1: that category. Two girl, I'd be like when people get
Speaker 1: mad at us for stuff we said. Two episodes ago
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I'm like, wait, now, you don't need
Speaker 1: to screenshot it and suited back to me because I
Speaker 1: don't know what I said. I just say it in
Speaker 1: the moment and I forget it. Now we can't do
Speaker 1: eras anymore because we're no longer doing eras, But I
Speaker 1: do want to know you're gold star and time out
Speaker 1: to day, So why don't you get off for us?
Speaker 2: Okay? Perfect? So my gold stars for this episode are
Speaker 2: Jordan and Rachel. I want to get my gold stars
Speaker 2: to Jordan because he's just powerhouse, like across the board,
Speaker 2: like just watching him in action every single season he
Speaker 2: does there's no quit, there's just fight. That's that's all
Speaker 2: he knows. All he knows is how to go. So
Speaker 2: watching him in this challenge, he did so good and
Speaker 2: I was just so proud of him. Rachel. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give it to Rachel because watching her be the even
Speaker 2: though the errors are gone, she still is the only
Speaker 2: one left and watching how she has carefully attached herself
Speaker 2: to different people strategically, and then even down to the
Speaker 2: conversation she had with Tory, I said, oh, baby, you
Speaker 2: are working this thing like you are working this thing,
Speaker 2: and I'm just I'm you know, Rachel, you might have
Speaker 2: a little fan over here a little bit, just a
Speaker 2: little bit, because I'm very impressed. So she definitely is
Speaker 2: one of my stars. So I broke it in half. Yeah, people,
Speaker 2: we knew I broke it in half. Okay, my time
Speaker 2: out is going to go to Ryan because I I
Speaker 2: need help understanding what was the thought process of the puzzle,
Speaker 2: like the whole episode, like across the board. I feel
Speaker 2: like my friend was just checked out, Like yeah, the
Speaker 2: math wasn't math? And how about you?
Speaker 1: All right, I am going to uh start with my
Speaker 1: gold Star nominees. By the way, I see a lot
Speaker 1: of you were someone said that I had a hot take.
Speaker 1: Someone on Twitter messaged me and said I had a
Speaker 1: hot take about Josh in last week's episode, which is
Speaker 1: interesting hot take. But I appreciate so many of you
Speaker 1: coming to Josh's defense, and I also appreciate the discourse.
Speaker 1: So thank the polite discourse. I appreciate that. So for
Speaker 1: my gold Star I have a couple nominees. One of
Speaker 1: them would have to be the lols just in general
Speaker 1: of all they have ladies of leisures. I like that.
Speaker 1: I like what they're about they said, vacations, person shopping.
Speaker 1: I'm all about that. I just came back from Japan.
Speaker 1: It's a whole vibe love that. Can I get a
Speaker 1: T shirt? Ladies, I am in fact down, but I
Speaker 1: mean it doesn't mean i'd stick with your alliance, but
Speaker 1: just i'd like a T shirt of the LLS and
Speaker 1: no promise, Yeah, no promises, but I'd like the teacher that.
Speaker 1: I also want to give a nomination to the editors
Speaker 1: and Devin in general. It goes to both because the
Speaker 1: fact that Devin is not actually in this game anymore,
Speaker 1: and yet.
Speaker 2: It's still very present, it's still.
Speaker 1: Very much running it. I mean, that's almost as good
Speaker 1: as winning. Doesn't pay as well, but it is almost
Speaker 1: as good as winning. And uh so, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to give my gold star to the
Speaker 1: editors and Devon on this one because it's very Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just really as impressive as hell. Now for timeouts,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to say it's Ryan, Ryan, Ryan, we
Speaker 1: love you. I just don't know. I don't yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know what was you know, everybody has a day,
Speaker 1: but this seemed to be because we know that like
Speaker 1: the competition elimination at least takes place over around three days.
Speaker 1: This just wasn't your week, apparently, sir, because between the
Speaker 1: driving the ball misplacement, although Bananas was not better with
Speaker 1: his balls, which was surprising for a multitude of reasons.
Speaker 1: You know, I just it really it really wasn't. Also,
Speaker 1: can we point out people have been talking about I
Speaker 1: don't remember who said it, but someone said Kyland was
Speaker 1: overrated recently on and so the fact that Kylin came
Speaker 1: in second, I want to point that out here when
Speaker 1: a lot of people are struggling Kylin came in second.
Speaker 1: I wonder if people are still thinking that he is
Speaker 1: in fact overrated by the way. I never said that
Speaker 1: I feel that way or that that was my thoughts,
Speaker 1: but I heard a little bit of that happening so
Speaker 1: or like a little bit of discourse around that.
Speaker 2: So I love that they caught when it clicked for him,
Speaker 2: he was like, oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: just so good. It's so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that Ryan is on both of our timeouts
Speaker 2: this week. But the beautiful thing about that is he's
Speaker 2: here to clear it up.
Speaker 1: We give people a chance. You know, it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that our opinions will change by the interview, but we
Speaker 1: do in fact give people a chance, so we definitely
Speaker 1: want to hear him out. I just also have to
Speaker 1: give a shout out to long Live Murr and one
Speaker 1: Quante on Twitter. Appreciate you guys and all the Challenge
Speaker 1: love so funny. And also shout out to Katie Casey,
Speaker 1: who I met over the weekend, who also is a
Speaker 1: big Challenge fan. She's watched every season, So shout out
Speaker 1: to Katie. It was fun hanging with you and all
Speaker 1: of you guys listening. Now get ready for some tea.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna want to miss this interview with the
Speaker 1: one and only Ryan key.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 1: He has some really inspirational things to say and also
Speaker 1: some messing things to say, So definitely don't go anywhere
Speaker 1: because when we come back, we will be talking to
Speaker 1: Mario Kart Junior himself Ryan right after this.
Speaker 6: All right, Challenge fans, we have arguably one of the
Speaker 6: most fun but also one of the mauthiest Challenge cast
Speaker 6: members this season on the podcast with us today. He
Speaker 6: may not be the best driver, but darn it, he's
Speaker 6: good at everything else.
Speaker 1: Please give it up for Ryan.
Speaker 5: Hey, Ryan, what's up, ladies?
Speaker 1: How you doing doing well? How are you doing? Is
Speaker 1: the question?
Speaker 5: Oh, that was hard to watch back. It was hard
Speaker 5: in the moment, but that was hard to watch back.
Speaker 1: What about It was the hardest part for you to
Speaker 1: watch well?
Speaker 4: It truly the most depressing to be the third man
Speaker 4: finishing after giving two of my balls to Laurel, who
Speaker 4: was already you know, you already had stuff going on there.
Speaker 4: So to put my two first balls in her canisters
Speaker 4: set the.
Speaker 5: Tone for like, okay, you gotta make that doing with.
Speaker 1: Your bay What exactly what were you doing with your balls?
Speaker 1: What was Banana doing with your balls?
Speaker 4: Like you know, I know my balls had a minded
Speaker 4: their own, So it just the way that they randomly
Speaker 4: selected us.
Speaker 5: Laurel and I were right next to each other. So
Speaker 5: when I sprinted on that first run.
Speaker 4: I wasn't It was so hot out and we were
Speaker 4: in the sun for so long before we started competing.
Speaker 5: I was just running in a general direction.
Speaker 4: I didn't look at the sign that said Laurel or Ryan.
Speaker 5: I just saw a canister and I.
Speaker 4: Put the balls in, and as they're dropping down, I
Speaker 4: see Laurel's name on the top, and I'm like no.
Speaker 5: Like, really, what are the odds?
Speaker 4: Like with all of the chaos that her and I
Speaker 4: had that season, it was kind of poetic justice for her,
Speaker 4: But it definitely it definitely lit a fire up my
Speaker 4: butt to go even harder.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned that, like you guys stood out in
Speaker 1: the heat for a while also before you even started running.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about the conditions,
Speaker 1: like how hot it was, how long you guys had
Speaker 1: to kind of get ready before running, because obviously we
Speaker 1: see it impact all of you, and we saw how
Speaker 1: it almost took out Michelle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is the Sahara in Vietnam on the regular,
Speaker 4: and you know how long it takes for the camera
Speaker 4: setup and you're just even under an umbrella, like you're waiting.
Speaker 5: For a good hour or two. Wow. So I honestly
Speaker 5: just felt like I was running in hell.
Speaker 4: It helped to pass people to like just kept lapping THEO,
Speaker 4: who is like a triathlete olympian to the max. So
Speaker 4: the fact that I wasted my first by giving Laurel
Speaker 4: my two balls, and then I continued to beat THEO,
Speaker 4: and then when I finished finished, I beat Rachel, who
Speaker 4: didn't give any of her balls to anyone else, like
Speaker 4: I felt good about my you know, my comeback, You're endurance?
Speaker 5: Is that a lot of time? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I want to touch on this because and we're definitely
Speaker 2: going to get into the episode, but her name keeps
Speaker 2: coming up and we have to go ahead and talk
Speaker 2: about this. What is going on with.
Speaker 1: You and Laurel.
Speaker 4: I'll try to keep it like short for everyone's attentions,
Speaker 4: fan because the fact is Laurel and I were fast friends.
Speaker 4: We had competed on Fresh Meat two together. We were
Speaker 4: in the same alliance. That was fifteen years ago. That
Speaker 4: was her first challenge and that was actually my last
Speaker 4: Flagship was Laurel's first season. So we reconnected on All
Speaker 4: Stars for had a lot of fun on All Stars
Speaker 4: for We're definitely in the same alliance. I was still
Speaker 4: friends with Kara. I did whatever I wanted. I didn't
Speaker 4: let her relationship with Kara deter me from being nice
Speaker 4: Tokara or lending, you.
Speaker 5: Know, an ear to her.
Speaker 4: But things just turned sour. She and I were friends
Speaker 4: outside of the show.
Speaker 5: She stayed with me in New York. She had a
Speaker 5: set of keys to my apartment.
Speaker 4: It was like that, and then anytime her and Nicole
Speaker 4: would get in a little tiff, she would come running
Speaker 4: back to Manhattan and stay with me. So inadvertently I
Speaker 4: became friends Cole because when they were good, they were
Speaker 4: really good, and I spent a lot of time with
Speaker 4: the two of them. But I also dipped out whenever
Speaker 4: they would get into their you know, lesbianic Titanic explosion fights.
Speaker 4: I would be like, I've literally just like walked out
Speaker 4: in the middle of their fight because I'm like, this
Speaker 4: isn't for me. I'm not here to like be a
Speaker 4: bystander of your drama, Like I'm here as your individual friend.
Speaker 5: But I just kept getting roped into the drama.
Speaker 4: And one particular instance, Laurel and I were visiting a
Speaker 4: Cole in Staten Island. Nicole went to work her Apple
Speaker 4: watch was charging. Laurel was like, oh, she left her
Speaker 4: Apple Watch. I'm gonna go on her phone and I'm like,
Speaker 4: not a good idea. She's like, come on, look at this.
Speaker 4: Read this with me, and I'm like, no, I don't
Speaker 4: do that. I don't go in people's personal things. I
Speaker 4: don't want to be your accomplice. I actually loved Nicole,
Speaker 4: like we've become friends through you, so like, I don't
Speaker 4: feel comfortable, and you know, if you smell smoke, there's
Speaker 4: probably fire. But there was fire happening on Laurel's end too,
Speaker 4: But in the end, she was trying to make Nicole
Speaker 4: out to be.
Speaker 5: This cheating villain.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile Laurel was having her cake and eating it too,
Speaker 4: but you know, playing victim. So I just was seeing
Speaker 4: a lot of red flags. And it started to bleed
Speaker 4: into my real life in New York. And truly it
Speaker 4: came down to Laurel got tickets to the VMEs. She
Speaker 4: had keys to my apartment already. She asked me if
Speaker 4: she could stay with me to go see the VMAs.
Speaker 4: Not to ask me to go.
Speaker 5: See the VMAs, but can I stay with you?
Speaker 4: And I literally was out of work for five months
Speaker 4: because I broke my clasical so I had not been working.
Speaker 4: This was the first week I was back to work
Speaker 4: full time in production, and I was getting my puppy.
Speaker 4: That's Saturday. So I told her, honestly, this week is
Speaker 4: not good. I have a small, one bedroom apartment in
Speaker 4: New York, I said, any other week, but like I'm
Speaker 4: back to work, I'm getting a dog. And she took
Speaker 4: that no as if I, like, you know, killed her.
Speaker 5: Puppy or something.
Speaker 4: She just was not used to me creating boundaries and
Speaker 4: so me saying no to her translated to you are
Speaker 4: taking the cole's side in this breakup. She twisted it somehow,
Speaker 4: and that was when we fell out. Was when I said, no,
Speaker 4: you can't stay with me. It's not a good week.
Speaker 4: And that was the last time that we were like
Speaker 4: literally in communication until I saw her on forty.
Speaker 1: WHOA, But then how did it get to a level
Speaker 1: of cause, you guys's clapbacks made Nini Lynch look like
Speaker 1: a baptistre on Twitter in particular, So how did it
Speaker 1: get to that level?
Speaker 4: So honestly, like I gave her a bribe at the
Speaker 4: beginning of forty to just clear the air before we
Speaker 4: were on camera. We hadn't spoken in like six months.
Speaker 4: She was being like cordial with me vice versa. But
Speaker 4: we were in the hotel and I said, and I
Speaker 4: think we just have a conversation to clear the air
Speaker 4: for the past six months. Why we had a you know,
Speaker 4: why we stopped talking And she said, well, I don't
Speaker 4: have a problem, right, you have a problem clearly, but
Speaker 4: you have to deal with it's not my problem. And
Speaker 4: so Olivia was in the room, Michelle, mind you, this
Speaker 4: is in my hotel room. He basically rejected my truth
Speaker 4: and so in that moment, I was like, oh, wow,
Speaker 4: she can't take accountability for anything and can't admit the
Speaker 4: fact that she stopped talking to me because I told
Speaker 4: her no. So okay, I see you. This is how
Speaker 4: this is what you do, and this is how you are.
Speaker 4: And then it just was like, this really uncomfortable when
Speaker 4: you're friends with someone of a falling out and they
Speaker 4: really know, like a part of you that an enemy
Speaker 4: normally doesn't know. It was like that because it's like
Speaker 4: I'd have moments where you would like laugh about something
Speaker 4: and then I'm like, wait, you're not the same person
Speaker 4: that you were to me when we were friends and
Speaker 4: vice versa, so there was no trust between the two
Speaker 4: of us.
Speaker 5: And then watching the show back, I'm seeing.
Speaker 4: That she is throwing challenges and like doing things that
Speaker 4: I don't do, and so I just wanted her.
Speaker 5: It was just really painful to be on the same
Speaker 5: team as her.
Speaker 1: When we started this episode with the eras disbanded and
Speaker 1: TJ announcing it was an individual game. How did you
Speaker 1: feel about that, Like, how did you feel that would
Speaker 1: affect you moving forward in this game.
Speaker 5: I kind of loved it because I felt like.
Speaker 4: I finally was freed of Johnny questioning my abilities or
Speaker 4: worrying about challenge being thrown on a day that I'm
Speaker 4: a target. You know, these fears were there because our
Speaker 4: era started on such a faulty foundation. There were so
Speaker 4: many cracks in the surfaces and so much distrust that
Speaker 4: it was really hard to compete as a team and
Speaker 4: celebrate as a team because I didn't buy well and
Speaker 4: I can't even loop my entire era.
Speaker 5: I trusted every.
Speaker 4: One of my teams, and I even trusted Johnny most
Speaker 4: of the time.
Speaker 5: But Laurel was just honestly poison on our.
Speaker 4: Team, and it just like saturated into everything that we did,
Speaker 4: like while competing. You know, It's just I just was
Speaker 4: excited to not be tied to anyone else and to
Speaker 4: be just competing for me. If I us up, I
Speaker 4: only have myself to blame, and I deal with the
Speaker 4: consequence of like having to go on an elimination and sucked.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It felt a little bit like in some of these
Speaker 1: episodes that people were underestimating you Ryan, and just like
Speaker 1: what you're fully capable of? Did you feel that way
Speaker 1: and coming into the show, had you prepared or trained
Speaker 1: or like, what had you done to kind of get
Speaker 1: ready to come into season forty?
Speaker 5: I mean I did a complete overhaul of my life.
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I at the peak of
Speaker 4: the beginning of COVID of Bala Sequille Day, I found drink.
Speaker 5: I was having the shapes like steps away.
Speaker 4: From being categorized like Death's door kind of alcoholic.
Speaker 5: So I stopped drinking. I stopped smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 4: I also found out I was diabetic, like literally when
Speaker 4: I did my blood work for All Stars Too. I
Speaker 4: had been diabetic possibly for like two decades and didn't
Speaker 4: even know it. Wow, it wasn't from the drinking. It
Speaker 4: was like something that I acquired in my early twenties,
Speaker 4: but it was un notice because my numbers were high,
Speaker 4: like almost dangerously high, but I had no physical signs,
Speaker 4: so I literally caught it.
Speaker 5: I mean, to be honest with you, this sounds really cheesy, but.
Speaker 4: Like getting that blood work, finding out I was diabetic,
Speaker 4: and then going on All Stars Too, still like having
Speaker 4: a drinking problem, but secretly, all of those things really
Speaker 4: put that mirror up in my face and was like,
Speaker 4: who are you, Like you're gonna die. You're hiding this
Speaker 4: from production, You're hiding it from your friends and family
Speaker 4: back home. Like it forced me to like get real
Speaker 4: with myself getting a diagnosis like that diabetes is not
Speaker 4: a death sentence if you treat your body right. But
Speaker 4: it was the catalyst that got me to like stone
Speaker 4: cold sober and like stop smoking. So all these things
Speaker 4: absolutely helped me like prepare for the challenge. And then
Speaker 4: because of that, I was running every day and I
Speaker 4: was losing weight. So I would say I just did
Speaker 4: a complete overhaul of my lifestyle. And you know, I've
Speaker 4: never felt more mentally sound. And it's a different experience
Speaker 4: to do the challenge sober. It's a better experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah for me. We're so proud of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we really are so.
Speaker 2: Proud of you. Yeah, because it's a hard step to
Speaker 2: acknowledge and recognize it and then also to do something
Speaker 2: about it. So we're very very proud of you.
Speaker 5: And to stick with you.
Speaker 1: That's proud of your driving skills, though.
Speaker 5: Dude, you'd think I was drunk relapsed right.
Speaker 1: There, Ryan, Like, oh my gosh. First of all, though
Speaker 1: we're going out of order. But that was like such
Speaker 1: a fun elimination overall. How was it?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 1: Was it fun? I mean, obviously we it was okay cool,
Speaker 1: tell us tell us a little bit more about it,
Speaker 1: because it seemed like almost everyone up there was envious
Speaker 1: of you being able to do that elimination.
Speaker 4: It was my worst case scenario because when Ben found
Speaker 4: out he was going against me, I was pumped to
Speaker 4: have something in the sand involving like wrestling. I literally
Speaker 4: just wanted to do something physical, hand to hand combat.
Speaker 4: And I heard Johnny talking to someone in Era four like, dude,
Speaker 4: if it's like hand to hand, I'm just gonna let
Speaker 4: him win.
Speaker 5: I don't want to mess up my face. I don't
Speaker 5: want to mess up my body. I'm too old. I
Speaker 5: can't afford an injury.
Speaker 4: I know he's gonna give it his all, and I
Speaker 4: I just someone's gonna get hurt.
Speaker 5: So I knew if I got something physical, I was.
Speaker 4: Going to go him and he would probably not he
Speaker 4: would let me win. He would be more concerned about
Speaker 4: protecting his boat faith than like, you know, like And
Speaker 4: I also think he was actually okay to go home
Speaker 4: at that point in the game.
Speaker 5: He didn't.
Speaker 4: He wasn't running the show the way he's run shows
Speaker 4: in prior seasons, you know. And he said this to
Speaker 4: me when he hugged me after he eliminated me, Like, dude,
Speaker 4: you just had.
Speaker 5: A better social game. You had the best social game
Speaker 5: in the house.
Speaker 4: You're the only one that wasn't even selected as a
Speaker 4: target up until that point.
Speaker 5: So it was worst case scenario.
Speaker 4: For me to drive a vehicle. I literally haven't had
Speaker 4: a car since.
Speaker 5: The year two thousand.
Speaker 4: I only dried my mom's car when I'm in Jersey visiting.
Speaker 4: I don't drive, you know, And I know it's like
Speaker 4: an ATV and it's like Mario Kart, but but there
Speaker 4: is like.
Speaker 5: It is like riding a bike, you know.
Speaker 4: When you don't do it, it's kind of scary and
Speaker 4: when people are watching, it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: When you there's a time where you got close, like well,
Speaker 1: well there were two times that you got close. Uh
Speaker 1: one time when you got close and then you like
Speaker 1: reached over to grab it and then like everybody thought
Speaker 1: you were going to win that round and then you
Speaker 1: lost it. Can you tell us what happened? Did you
Speaker 1: did you hit the hay? Did you dip over like
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 5: Then I hit the freaking hay, is what I did.
Speaker 4: I took a turn way too sharp, and I didn't
Speaker 4: really understand like the dynamic of like the turns in
Speaker 4: the sand. I just I accelerated too quick. And with
Speaker 4: those kind of vehicles with sand, you're going to like
Speaker 4: spin out if you're not like actually going in the
Speaker 4: same path that you've been going. If you're hitting loose
Speaker 4: sand full speed, it's going to get caught up in
Speaker 4: the motor. I don't really understand the hydraulics of it,
Speaker 4: but I knew that I was going too fast.
Speaker 5: I think I got a little too ahead of them myself.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then the second time when he caught up to you,
Speaker 1: did you run out of gas?
Speaker 4: I literally it's as if you were giving a ten
Speaker 4: year old an ATV for their tenth birthday and they're
Speaker 4: driving it for the first time, except you're competing for
Speaker 4: money and doing it on camera in front of all
Speaker 4: of your peers. So it was quite emasculating, to be honest,
Speaker 4: But you know, honestly, like if anyone's going to give
Speaker 4: me shit that I lost in a Mario kart elimination
Speaker 4: with Nanadas, Like, that's fine, I'll take it.
Speaker 2: What were the rules because in that last one it
Speaker 2: looked like you tried to reach back and like block
Speaker 2: him and also try to grab his flag.
Speaker 1: What were the rules for that?
Speaker 5: That was me panicking. That was full on panic disco.
Speaker 5: I had nothing. I had nothing.
Speaker 4: It was me just being like, I mean to take
Speaker 4: your flag, Like there was no way that I could
Speaker 4: even reach his flag. But that was just me like
Speaker 4: attempting to block him getting my flag. There was nothing
Speaker 4: I could do at that point. So yeah, I just panicked,
Speaker 4: just like I panicked at the end of the puzzle.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's talk about.
Speaker 1: That, Ryan, Ryan, I say this with love. Now, when
Speaker 1: in the history of challenged him, has there ever been
Speaker 1: a solid black puzzle? Okay, now, there have been solid
Speaker 1: different color puzzles. When they put a solid all black
Speaker 1: puzzle on an all black board, you didn't flip, You
Speaker 1: didn't there wouldn't it.
Speaker 4: When I dumped out my puzzle pieces, I kid you not,
Speaker 4: and they fell on the sand. They were all turned
Speaker 4: facing down. I didn't see any white. So when I
Speaker 4: picked up each puzzle piece one by one, I was
Speaker 4: solving the puzzle as a black tanagram or whatever shape hectagon. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: stop stop sign. We'll just say stop sign gone. And
Speaker 4: I salved it and I was like and they're like nope.
Speaker 4: Rachel said she was watching me solve it and couldn't
Speaker 4: understand why I was doing it all black. And then
Speaker 4: when she tried to like give me a clue, that's
Speaker 4: when one of the reps was like, no, no.
Speaker 5: No talking.
Speaker 4: So I was just it was so depressing because I
Speaker 4: was the third guy to finish after giving away.
Speaker 5: Two balls to Laurel. Yeah, so like I made up
Speaker 5: for lost time. And I think the heat.
Speaker 4: I think I was rushing through it. I wasn't thinking
Speaker 4: outside of the box. And there was not one moment
Speaker 4: that I flipped a piece that had white on it.
Speaker 5: It like I just see black ladies. That's it.
Speaker 2: That was intense to watch. I was screaming at the screen,
Speaker 2: like Ryan filipp Am, I I know.
Speaker 5: It was sad. It was sad.
Speaker 1: All right, we have to take a quick break, but
Speaker 1: you already know we will be right back after.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 1: Wait, how much further behind were you than all the
Speaker 1: guys and were you the last person as a whole,
Speaker 1: like out of everyone or the last guy.
Speaker 4: I was the third person to get to the puzzle,
Speaker 4: third person in general, and the last person, last man
Speaker 4: to solve it correctly.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 1: There were still women that were like still solving their puzzle.
Speaker 4: It was yeah, Niam Mischelle, we're still doing their thing.
Speaker 4: But still it's just it's really.
Speaker 1: Everybody has their moments. It's all right, Yes, it was entertaining.
Speaker 1: You made a really good episode, and no would is
Speaker 1: don't take it home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, you're right, you're right, yeah, don't.
Speaker 2: Take it home. I do want to, you know, talk
Speaker 2: about something. It seemed like I'm the only one because
Speaker 2: first I brought up Laura. Now I'm about to jump
Speaker 2: into bananas because your relationship this season pretty much was
Speaker 2: like that elimination, the back and forth. I would like
Speaker 2: to know walk us through that you and this this
Speaker 2: Johnny thing.
Speaker 5: I'm cool with Johnny.
Speaker 4: I've seen Johnny a few times since we filmed, at
Speaker 4: like events in New York, and he's so different off
Speaker 4: the show when money's not on the line and when
Speaker 4: it's not his game, like he's.
Speaker 5: He's a different human.
Speaker 4: And I have to realize that I am the same
Speaker 4: human in the game that I am off he's not,
Speaker 4: and he's just able to compartmentalize that stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: He's able to like, Oh, we're good, now we're done filming,
Speaker 4: you know whatever it is. Yeah, really what happened was
Speaker 4: like we had no say in who the woman winner
Speaker 4: of the elimination was going to target, and him and
Speaker 4: the Amayah were selected for different reasons. I think Niamayah
Speaker 4: didn't have a relationship with a lot of the women.
Speaker 4: He very much keeps to himself. He is a solid human.
Speaker 4: I know him, I love him, but he is not
Speaker 4: an open book. He's not someone that is trying to
Speaker 4: win over people. That's just not Neamia's style. So the
Speaker 4: way it was happening was Johnny was getting targeted.
Speaker 5: Or Neamayah was. Derek also got.
Speaker 4: Targeted as well, but at that point in the game,
Speaker 4: I had not been targeted once, Like, not a single
Speaker 4: girl wanted to say my name.
Speaker 5: I didn't like seek that out.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I was just myself and cool with everyone in
Speaker 4: the house, and so I'm literally brushing my teeth in
Speaker 4: the vanity room. Bananas comes in and he's like, you're
Speaker 4: just gonna let you're just gonna let me be a.
Speaker 5: Target every time.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I have no control over that,
Speaker 4: really brushing my teeth, and he's like, you're just gonna
Speaker 4: You're just gonna let me and Namiyah just like you're
Speaker 4: just gonna ride your way to the final. And I
Speaker 4: literally he had this smirk on his face that maybe
Speaker 4: he just always has because that's his face. But I
Speaker 4: thought he was kidding because I couldn't believe he was
Speaker 4: coming so aggressively out of no where, like when we
Speaker 4: weren't even competing that day, and he just I think
Speaker 4: that's a bananaism, is that like he knows how to
Speaker 4: get into people's heads, and he just came at me
Speaker 4: really hard.
Speaker 5: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: It really like it like it ruined my day because
Speaker 4: I was chilling.
Speaker 5: And I get it. I get that you're pissed that
Speaker 5: you're being targeted, but.
Speaker 4: Let's also remember the seasons I've done with you. I
Speaker 4: was kissing the ring so that I didn't get thrown
Speaker 4: into an elimination, not even the prospect of me potentially
Speaker 4: making a final. But it's like he would sprinkle breadcrumbs
Speaker 4: and be like, oh, you can stick around another week
Speaker 4: if you do this.
Speaker 5: So I played his.
Speaker 4: Game seasons over and over again, and he doesn't know
Speaker 4: this version of me. He thought he could talk his
Speaker 4: shit and intimidate me, and like, I'm not calling.
Speaker 5: Him a bully. He didn't bully me, but you know.
Speaker 4: Bull doze me into volunteering myself when no one else
Speaker 4: on our team had volunteered themselves except Emily. And the
Speaker 4: last thing Emily said to me when I said I'm
Speaker 4: going to volunteer to be target, she said, no, you're not.
Speaker 4: Do not volunteer to be a target. Not on this team.
Speaker 4: We've never done it. We don't trust each other. Do
Speaker 4: not ever nominate yourself to be a target on this team.
Speaker 4: So those were her famous last words to me. And
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to start like this trend of nominating
Speaker 4: ourselves eight challenges in. I wasn't going to make it
Speaker 4: like a thing, you know what, I'm going to nominate
Speaker 4: myself like I'm.
Speaker 5: Going to stay out of that as long as I
Speaker 5: possibly can until it happened.
Speaker 4: And then the following week I did wind up nominating
Speaker 4: myself because I felt like it was time and I
Speaker 4: knew that Rachel was going to select me Amaiyah and
Speaker 4: Neiamiah was such a team player and such a solid
Speaker 4: human being on our team. I did not want him
Speaker 4: to get selected as target again, and I just truly
Speaker 4: did it because I felt like it.
Speaker 5: Was yeah, but it wasn't for Johnny.
Speaker 4: It wasn't because Johnny got in my head and a
Speaker 4: lot of the fans were like saying, oh, you let
Speaker 4: anyone you I'm like, no, there's other people on the
Speaker 4: team and them is my boys.
Speaker 5: So oh I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that. What do you think about this
Speaker 1: whole explosion that we're seeing between bananas, To and Tory
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, the impact Devin seems to still be
Speaker 1: having on the game.
Speaker 4: I honestly think that Johnny easily crushes on several female
Speaker 4: cast members, and I think a lot of his behavior
Speaker 4: is very much like schoolyard tactics, like crush on Michelle.
Speaker 5: Devin got Michelle.
Speaker 4: Devin is public enemy number one because Devin got the
Speaker 4: girl in the playground. Olivia is taken with THEO once again,
Speaker 4: Like you know what I mean, I think it's this.
Speaker 1: Like interesting take.
Speaker 5: Yes, I do.
Speaker 4: Think I think he kind of hates on beautiful independent
Speaker 4: strong women pairing up with you know, matched men, and yeah,
Speaker 4: and then at the end of the day he's.
Speaker 5: Left alone with his hand in the shower. So I
Speaker 5: think that's where it stems from. Oh okay, I mean
Speaker 5: that's not shady. It's not shady.
Speaker 1: It's not not it's not it's not sunny.
Speaker 5: No, there's a chance of rain.
Speaker 3: Little Palm tree Ish has an interesting take though, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, even if it's more of just like
Speaker 3: whether or not it's that he had like a full
Speaker 3: blown blown crush, which you know, hey, would.
Speaker 1: Be valid, or if it's just the idea that he's
Speaker 1: not necessarily the sought after or like hot heart throb,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like of the season like
Speaker 1: that none of that, not only say none because I wasn't,
Speaker 1: but just that like the girls seemed to be to
Speaker 1: your point, interested in other people, and we see less
Speaker 1: of someone pursuing or chasing or showing strong interest in him,
Speaker 1: and so him not him missing that attention.
Speaker 4: That he Yes, he's also had like two decades of
Speaker 4: women fans throwing themselves at him, wanting to take pictures
Speaker 4: with him, wanting any sort of piece of him, like
Speaker 4: you know, just a piece of that fame or I.
Speaker 1: Expect him to be better with his balls in the
Speaker 1: challenge exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right. Tell us your take on Johnny's angels.
Speaker 4: Well, I I think that I thought it was interesting
Speaker 4: that Rachel did what Evelyn did on the island, which
Speaker 4: was kind of surrender and just get like, all right,
Speaker 4: if you're not going to be in my enemy, you're
Speaker 4: going to be on my and we're going to do
Speaker 4: this together.
Speaker 5: Like if you can't beat him, join them.
Speaker 4: So I thought it was very strategic, very smart on
Speaker 4: Rachel's behalf, because quite honestly, I don't think anyone in
Speaker 4: the entire season has a higher standing than Rachel. She
Speaker 4: is kind of like everyone wants to seek her out,
Speaker 4: everyone wants to hear.
Speaker 5: Verbally like oh I got your back for.
Speaker 4: The next one, you know, like she is the one.
Speaker 4: She is like the queen Bee. And I don't even
Speaker 4: think she needed the alliance with Johnny, But I think
Speaker 4: in her head she now having that alliance with him,
Speaker 4: like she has him in the palm of her hand.
Speaker 5: So I don't think that she was his angel. I
Speaker 5: think he was her hooker or something. I don't know,
Speaker 5: kind of like.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Jenny it wasn't a surprise, like she was
Speaker 4: giving him foot massages on the bus every single day, like.
Speaker 5: They were clearly formed the bond on war, the world's
Speaker 5: or whatever.
Speaker 1: Did he ever give her one? Did you ever see that?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Ew?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, yes, oh yes yes he did.
Speaker 1: So it was equitable massages, Okay, it was, but Jenny,
Speaker 1: like Jenny, didn't have a lot of number ones there,
Speaker 1: you know, And she wasn't also trying to make new alliances.
Speaker 4: She was just being Jenny and just like very sweet
Speaker 4: to everyone, but not really putting in the works socially.
Speaker 4: So I think I think Bananas was Aviv's number one,
Speaker 4: Jenny's number one at some point Rachel's number one, or
Speaker 4: at least on paper, so he just had to end
Speaker 4: on moral as well. So he had four different girls
Speaker 4: that would consider him their number one, therefore creating this
Speaker 4: Johnny's Angels situation.
Speaker 1: What I would say is smart about that. Not so
Speaker 1: much Jenny giving foot massages because yuck. But it's interesting
Speaker 1: because one if you notice, aside from say Jenny, all
Speaker 1: the other pictures or players you mentioned that are part
Speaker 1: of quote unquote Johnny's Angels are old school, right, or
Speaker 1: like you know some from sort of the more original eras,
Speaker 1: and I do feel like, whether you like them or not,
Speaker 1: if they say I've got you or I'm not going
Speaker 1: to vote you this next time, or whatever deal that
Speaker 1: they've made with you, in that moment, I feel fairly
Speaker 1: confident whomever they've made the deal with, you can take
Speaker 1: it to the bank, like there's clarity there, Whereas I
Speaker 1: do feel like with the newer school players it becomes
Speaker 1: tricky because there's so many of them aligned with such
Speaker 1: depth to their alliances, right, Like it's not a we
Speaker 1: just made a deal in this game for this season.
Speaker 1: It's a yeah, well I had you at my house,
Speaker 1: you know, for six months and then you met my mom.
Speaker 1: But it's true for a lot of them. So I
Speaker 1: think he's kind of smart because I feel like he's
Speaker 1: aligned himself with pretty solid women that when it comes
Speaker 1: to gameplay are going to be black and white, and
Speaker 1: how they handle things versus people of the new eras.
Speaker 1: You agree with that?
Speaker 5: And yeah, and it's four champions. I mean, Aviv only
Speaker 5: did one season, but she won. All four of.
Speaker 4: His angels have won a season as the solo female winner.
Speaker 4: That's yeah, that's four strong assed angels to have on
Speaker 4: your side, and so the likelihood of them winning and
Speaker 4: being able to protect him were very high, so he
Speaker 4: knew how to pick him.
Speaker 2: So the way that the game is laid out, I
Speaker 2: think Johnny doesn't have a choice. The women pick the target,
Speaker 2: the men targets right, so he doesn't have a choice
Speaker 2: but to align himself with these women. The other women
Speaker 2: that are left, they're either in a showman's or like
Speaker 2: you said, they cousins who together or lived together for
Speaker 2: six and seven months at a time, or taken a
Speaker 2: trip for like a year and a half together. It's
Speaker 2: very tight knit. So it's like he really doesn't have
Speaker 2: a choice. So the best thing he can do is
Speaker 2: take their word for I am interested to see how
Speaker 2: these ladies are going to use his loyalty to their advantage.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm interested to see.
Speaker 1: I will say, the one dumb thing I think he
Speaker 1: has done, I don't know if it's dumb, but like
Speaker 1: the one fallback. Well, actually no, there's two things. One
Speaker 1: of them is dumb. One. I think it was Kara
Speaker 1: who said right, which is so true. Anytime someone's ever
Speaker 1: won a daily they've never been up for elimination. At
Speaker 1: least in recent years that I can ever recall. So
Speaker 1: why he would have thought that Tory would have been
Speaker 1: target number one when she won that date? Like, why
Speaker 1: he would have thought that would have been.
Speaker 8: Allowed because because on the last episode, I had volunteer
Speaker 8: to be a target, I escaped elimination because Rachel won
Speaker 8: and stay to me right in theory, I could not
Speaker 8: be targeted again because I was just a target. But
Speaker 8: when the game turned individual after Tory sent Casey home,
Speaker 8: TJ said, you can pick three targets. And Tory said
Speaker 8: to TJ, what if they were just a target? And
Speaker 8: TJ said, all rules are off, all.
Speaker 5: Bets are off. It's individual now.
Speaker 4: And I knew that Tory was referring to me because
Speaker 4: I was just a target. So I think that Johnny
Speaker 4: thought all best were off in every way because this
Speaker 4: is the first time that we would have known if
Speaker 4: Tory could get targeted even though she won. Like so
Speaker 4: the way that TJ worded it kind of made it
Speaker 4: seem like everything that you thought you knew this season
Speaker 4: is now out the window.
Speaker 5: It's extreme for all. So he was thinking that that
Speaker 5: rule was gone.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, so mad, but it's still done. Yet
Speaker 1: like you know, but that's fair, that's fair. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you singing up for him. That makes sense. The other
Speaker 1: thing that is semi dumb on his part but not
Speaker 1: fully done, but just bad you know example, or a
Speaker 1: bad repercussion. So, yes, he's made this alignment, the fact
Speaker 1: that he's now going after these women to sort of
Speaker 1: get back at Devon, who's sitting on his couch somewhere
Speaker 1: at this point. But that all these women that he's
Speaker 1: gone after have boyfriends in the game, or I mean
Speaker 1: boyfriends may be a gratuitous turn, you know whatever. They
Speaker 1: have challenge situationships, showmances in the game. So now you're
Speaker 1: making if those dudes like whatever is happening in that
Speaker 1: challenge house, then they're probably gonna stick beside their women.
Speaker 1: So you're now making double enemies. I mean, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: just lighting everything on fire. But you were not the
Speaker 1: first person to say that Bananas was open to going home, Devin.
Speaker 1: We had him on and he said that Bananas had
Speaker 1: kind of been saying that from the beginning. So I
Speaker 1: wonder if him going full scorched Earth is a little
Speaker 1: bit of him being like, eet turn it. I don't care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I don't.
Speaker 4: Care kind of yeah, yeah, if he was gonna go,
Speaker 4: he was gonna go guns. I think after he told
Speaker 4: me when I saw him after we filmed, like when
Speaker 4: I won that elimination with you, I realized, you know what,
Speaker 4: I could win another one of these things. So it
Speaker 4: was that if I had sent him home, he would
Speaker 4: have been like shell fine. So it's kind of like, well, dude,
Speaker 4: you have so many other opportunities, like good for you,
Speaker 4: but like go do them, you know, like let us
Speaker 4: play let's let us play this game.
Speaker 2: Interesting? Yeah, yeah, Well, on our episodes for this podcast,
Speaker 2: we usually do this era superlatives. However, we're no longer
Speaker 2: in eras anymore, so we can't do that. But Ryan,
Speaker 2: we would still like to ask you two questions. Are
Speaker 2: you up for the challenge?
Speaker 5: Always up?
Speaker 1: I see like that.
Speaker 2: First question, who would you say is the under the
Speaker 2: radar person to watch in future episodes?
Speaker 5: I would say Derek Chavis.
Speaker 2: Yeah I feel that too.
Speaker 4: Yeah he is. He's playing a really good game. He's
Speaker 4: getting some favors, not in a bad way. He's an
Speaker 4: amazing human being and he deserves that. He makes really
Speaker 4: long lasting friendships, and Avery did him a solid. I
Speaker 4: did him a solid I didn't want to go against him.
Speaker 4: I wanted at least one of us to move on
Speaker 4: in the competition. So and you, he doesn't get these
Speaker 4: favors because it's like people feel bad.
Speaker 5: It's because people believe that.
Speaker 4: He hasn't had a chance up until these past two
Speaker 4: seasons to really showcase how good at everything he is,
Speaker 4: and he just he doesn't. He stays like he I
Speaker 4: am very different than him. He stays out of the drama.
Speaker 4: He has opinions, but he's not vocal about them, and
Speaker 4: he's he's playing a really cute game, ladies, really cute.
Speaker 2: He's very charismatic, very Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love me some Derek, like I love me some
Speaker 1: Derek down that he is, and.
Speaker 4: I like that he is not like he's not like
Speaker 4: an evil gay, you know, Like I mean, they definitely
Speaker 4: have like the evil gays.
Speaker 5: I don't. I would hope to not be in that category.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'm a little more sassy, Yeah I wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I don't bite my tongue, but I'm not evil. I'm
Speaker 5: a truth teller.
Speaker 4: But Derek, I like that he is so authentically a
Speaker 4: sweetheart and that's who he is. And he still competes. Well,
Speaker 4: it's like, you don't have to be an asshole to
Speaker 4: get far in the game.
Speaker 1: And did you see those tworking skills? I mean that
Speaker 1: side handstand. I really feel like overall, Devin is still
Speaker 1: winning this season. He got the upside down handstand lap
Speaker 1: dance from Derek, He's not he got the girlfriend, okay,
Speaker 1: the girl of his dreams, and he's not even competing anymore.
Speaker 1: And yet he's still a pain in bananas behind and
Speaker 1: he has like this team of a binger women sort
Speaker 1: of rallying behind him, but he's not even there anymore.
Speaker 1: Like that's actually quite impressive.
Speaker 4: He also got more appearances, like a superimposed.
Speaker 5: Devin yes and boys appearances than Grel did the entire episode.
Speaker 1: Not you throwing shade back in full circle? Yeah. Speaking
Speaker 1: of which, who do you want to see go home?
Speaker 1: Of the guys and the girls? Who do you want
Speaker 1: to see go home? Next?
Speaker 5: Hmm?
Speaker 4: I would I would like to see Jordan have to
Speaker 4: see an elimination. I don't necessarily want him to go
Speaker 4: home because I do love the guy, but I'd like
Speaker 4: him to get in the sand and remind us why
Speaker 4: he is Jordan.
Speaker 5: But I would like i think I would like Kyland
Speaker 5: to go home.
Speaker 7: Oh oh not Cam Why he's just been a little
Speaker 7: too opinionated on both things recently.
Speaker 5: Like just I just think I think he needs to
Speaker 5: like be humbled a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, Okaylumar. Yeah, we enjoy having you here Ryan so
Speaker 1: much so as we are so glad that you've come.
Speaker 1: You've given us some insight. You have driven faster and
Speaker 1: further into these questions than you did in the elimination,
Speaker 1: and for that we thank you.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: For those who want to continue to follow your your journey,
Speaker 1: your story and sort of the inspiration of how you've
Speaker 1: really changed your life in such a beautiful way, where
Speaker 1: can they find you on.
Speaker 4: Social Ryan Kehoe? My first and last name, five is
Speaker 4: my Instagram, Ryan Kyo five is my Twitter, and I
Speaker 4: mean for the grandparents out there, you can find me
Speaker 4: on Facebook as well.
Speaker 5: I'm probably the first.
Speaker 1: Geez Facebook invite. He's been such fun, Ryan, We appreciate you,
Speaker 1: uh and what you contributed to the season. Look, the
Speaker 1: season wouldn't have been the same without you by any means,
Speaker 1: so we hate to see you go, but you definitely
Speaker 1: have contributed a lot to this season.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Such a great interview. I love that Ryan was so
Speaker 2: open with us and shared everything about his experience on
Speaker 2: this season. Yes, now, as always, where can the people
Speaker 2: find you? All the socials of the medias well.
Speaker 1: You can find me on the socials of the Media's
Speaker 1: on Instagram at Devin Simone. You can go to my
Speaker 1: website devinsimone dot com doing some fun games including polls
Speaker 1: and trivia's. I know a lot of you guys like
Speaker 1: to give me your opinions what I do and don't
Speaker 1: say this, so come find me on Amazon go to
Speaker 1: I think it's like Amazon dot com slash Devin or
Speaker 1: just type that in and you'll find me because I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear from my challenge peeps. You can also
Speaker 1: find me on TikTok at Devin Simone as well what
Speaker 1: about you Day.
Speaker 2: You can find me on the socials and media's all
Speaker 2: of them across the board, all platforms at devon Diane Underscore,
Speaker 2: and you can also catch me here.
Speaker 1: Yes, woohoo, we absolutely love that and we know that
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