WEBVTT - Dannemora Duo with Joseph Gordon-Levitt 0:00:02.080 --> 0:00:04.400 This is great as Escapes, a show bringing you the 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.600 wildess true escape stories of all time. Now, in this episode, 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:09.880 we're telling the story of two escapees who had a 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.760 true neck for smuggling tools into prison so they could 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.319 cut their way out. I'm Marturo Gastro and I'm joined 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.560 by a man who's talent on screen and behind the 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.279 camera has been completely undeniable for decades. One of my 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:26.759 favorite co stars of all time. Please welcome Joseph Gordon Levitt. 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:02.160 It's Joseph Gordon Levit. Thanks, of course, thanks for being here. 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:04.160 And Joe, I got to tell you. You know in our 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.400 audience you know this, but you are one of the 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.039 kindest people I've ever worked with. And I mean that 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:08.880 very sincerely. 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.639 I feel the same way about you, man. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:13.000 And I'll tell you what it is, man, that you 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.840 just like, no matter who it is on set that 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.440 has a question, you always stop and make time to 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:22.120 answer it, no matter how small it could be, Like 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:22.399 you know. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.520 Because I just love hearing myself answer questions yes. 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. If there's somebody recording it and an 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:30.360 artist sort of drawing, you do it. At all times. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.280 You're just heard. I'll give you an example if somebody 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.000 comes over and they're like, hey, so, yeah, I think 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.320 I'm just gonna make those curtains blue, and you're like, wait, wait, 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:41.119 stop the roll. Yeah, okay, So I wanted to ask you, 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:43.200 even though it's kind of a hard question to ask 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.440 while being honest, but you know, being in films for 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.160 as long as you've been and still being such a 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:54.080 well adjusted human being, what what do you attribute that to? 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:56.240 How you've sort of kept your head straight all these years. 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.120 That's I mean, so flattering that you would ask me that. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.040 I mean, it's a pretty simple answer. I think I 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.360 got real lucky with the parents I got, And you 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:08.680 know that's not my doing that. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.120 We all just roll dice and get who we get. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:15.919 And my parents were never very enchanted with all of 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.520 the poisonous accoutremont they can come along with show business. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:25.280 You know, I've been working in acting and stuff since 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.840 I was six years old, and my parents always just 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:30.720 saw that I loved doing it. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.239 But anytime I. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.920 Didn't want to do it, if I didn't feel like 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.920 going on an audition that day or something, my mom 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.640 would always say and very sincerely, you really don't have 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.200 to do this, will you know? We'll be so in 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:46.680 love with you and proud of you no matter what 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.000 you do. Wow, you did commit to this thing today 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.480 and it's important that you honor your commitments. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:53.360 So let's go today. 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.920 But if you after that, if you don't want to 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.079 do this, you never have to do this. 0:02:58.480 --> 0:02:58.760 Wow. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.840 And I think it's it's more common that people feel 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:07.200 pressure to do it, and that can be the beginning 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:08.880 of the I don't know. 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:09.920 Yes, of the end say it. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.919 Yeah. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.079 Let me ask you something, what do you consider it 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.040 to be your greatest escape? 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:20.200 Yeah? 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:25.680 Well, I honestly, I think what we did escaping the 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.720 pandemic to New Zealand. And I feel half bad, you know, 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.120 saying this, because it was such a privilege to get 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:31.520 to do it. 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.600 But that was an incredible escape. 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.840 And just to tell the brief version of the story, 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.360 you know, we were shooting this show, mister Corman, that 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.680 i'd been you know, trying to put together for years 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:45.560 is My Baby. We're three weeks into the shoot in. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:47.880 March of twenty twenty when the whole world shut down. 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.280 We have to stop along with everybody else, and we 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:52.680 were trying to get. 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:53.560 The production back up. 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.440 Everyone was running around trying to figure out how to 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:59.400 shoot during the pandemic, and the intrepid producers over at 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:01.680 A twenty four called me and said, would you ever 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.600 consider spending a lot of. 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.200 Time in New Zealand? 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.920 And I was, I mean, I felt like I won 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.640 the lottery. I had been literally, not exaggerating. My wife 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.920 and I had been fantasizing. We'd been staying up at 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:20.120 night looking at google Maps street view of New Zealand, 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.880 picking where we wanted to be, just because it sounded 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.320 like such a dream to be out of the pandemic, 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.279 and when there was no COVID there at the time, 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:31.200 and then we got to go, and I remember, and 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.680 I got to bring my family and we spent a 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.480 time there and a long time, and I remember when 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.240 we got there. My older boy, who at the time 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:44.240 was I think five, we got off the plane in 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:49.440 the airport in Wellington and no one was wearing masks, 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.239 and we got off and we took off our masks 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.520 and my boy goes, we're out of the pandemic, and 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.080 I was like, yeah, that's exactly what happens. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:00.120 Leave it to a five or well. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.039 But it was an escape, right, It was just like 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.479 we were able to I remember I would post stories 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.720 or I send my friends videos of like just shopping 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.839 at a grocery store without a mask, and it was 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:15.880 like the biggest flex in the world. Okay, so are 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:17.440 we ready to get into this? Do you want to 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:18.479 hear some crazy escape? 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.240 I want to hear this story. I love storytelling, so 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:21.760 I can't wait. 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:22.800 I'm gonna hate you. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.279 It's the summer of twenty fifteen, and we begin in 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.920 a remote hunting cabin in upstate New York. The rooms 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:36.200 are dark, quiet, musty. The cabin is empty. Footsteps approach, crunch. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.279 I'm not gonna do my own side effects. Two men 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:41.960 come to the door. They try the handle. They're silhouettes 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.120 loom in the windows. They force their way inside. Yes, 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.160 it's a break in. The men are looking pretty rough. 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.880 They've been trekking through the woods near the Canadian border, 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.240 living off the land and carrying their supplies in a 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:56.440 battered guitar case. 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:57.760 Of guitar case. 0:05:58.000 --> 0:05:58.719 A guitar case. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:00.560 They didn't mean to go living in the wilderness. Is 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:01.760 they're carrying a guitar case? 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.320 Well, no, they didn't. This wasn't part of their plan. 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.560 They have ragged name tags they're still sewn into their clothing. 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:09.840 It's they're called David and Richard. 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.039 Name tags what like TGIF waiters or something. 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:16.120 Yes, yes they both work. They work at Applebee's and 0:06:16.240 --> 0:06:19.200 this is just how do some crazy turn of events. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:21.000 They are now in the woods. So they're in this 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.800 crusty cabin in the woods and it's a gold mic. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:25.919 They rummage to the cabinets and dressers. Do you have 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.520 any guess what they're going to find their joe? 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:31.200 I mean food, water, I don't know, like Nintendo. 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:32.640 A TGI Friday store. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.200 They found a full so they open up a fully 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.920 stocked pantry and begin to feast. But even better, they 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.440 find a bottle of moonshine and a propane heater, and 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.039 you also find plenty of choice weed. So one of 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:47.400 them sleeps sweeps up the glass. The other one grabs 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.320 the moonshine, rosa joints and settles on the couch. We 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.679 get a glare from the sweeping guy and he just takes. 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.200 The same marijuana and alcohol. 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:55.960 Not my favorite, not a favorite thing to do. 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.160 It's always seems like a good idea, you know when 0:06:58.160 --> 0:06:59.960 I was younger, Like you're drawing somebody that you want 0:06:59.960 --> 0:07:01.640 to hit. This and sudden one. 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.520 What kind of evening do you want to have? Pick one? 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.120 So something, I mean the couch and brain. 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.160 Yo'll be like, oh, man, three years ago, it's kind 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:09.200 of rude to that, Maarissa, I. 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:10.560 Should call them. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.760 So this is when David and Richard's Great Escape started 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.520 to go sideways. There were two murderers on the run 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.440 after an epic prison escape, and the. 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:21.440 Law was hot on their heels. 0:07:21.680 --> 0:07:26.320 Oh damn, So Joe, let's meet these two shady characters. Okay, 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.160 we established they're not actually from TJA Fridays. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.920 Oh their prison name tags after all. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.440 Exactly, So these guys were worse than shady. These two 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.040 guys were cold blooded killers. And so we're gonna start 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.440 with David Sweat. Yeah. So he was born in nineteen 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.760 eighty and he grew up in a little town of Deposit, 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.520 New York. Incidentally, it's not known for their deposits. They 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.880 were all cash in hand. That's such a stupid joke, 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:50.920 but I have to get it in there. 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:52.720 So by the time he was eighteen. 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.880 David had already had a long rap sheet, a list 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.360 that included violent attacks and burglees and car crashes to 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.920 his knee. What coind of parents, did he He did 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:04.640 not have great parents. They all, yes, none of them. Yeah, 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.040 they all believed in name text that wasn't even a 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:08.560 prison thing. They just like it was just the thing 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.840 he picked up from youth. So once while he was 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:12.920 in prison, a guard found him making a list of 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.880 future crimes that he hoped to commit one day. You 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.040 got to admire the fucking audacity of this insane viition board. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.160 Is he writing down just like the actual offenses I 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.880 want to perform armed robbery check, I want to perform 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:25.600 arson check? 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:30.200 Or is he like, yes, exact, I want to commit 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.520 each and every one of these before my time is done. 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:36.360 So, oh, he's ill. He's sick. He's mentally ill. 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.760 He's a sick man. But when he first got out 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.400 on parole, David started living out of a camper in 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.760 the woods in upstate New York. He gathered some friends 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.600 like minded prince, you could say, and they started boosting 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:48.760 cars from the parking lots of nearby towns now. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:50.880 David, sorry, let me ask you this. 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:52.440 Let me go back to this for a second. 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.000 Do you believe that some people. 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:57.319 Even if they're not mentally ill or there's not something 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.360 inherently wrong with him. Do you think there's just some 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:00.760 people that are born. 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.160 Cruel or their race cruel? 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.800 I mean, cruel has the value judgment. I definitely think 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:10.560 there are people who are born ill. And I mean, 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:12.480 I'm sorry to get all serious here. We're trying to 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.720 have a fun time telling an escape story. But like 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:19.560 for sure, our world, especially our country, does not do 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.920 a good job of taking care of mentally ill people. 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:28.600 And the fact that someone who's clearly mentally ill has 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:32.200 ended up in prison, that's probably not the right place 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:33.000 for him. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:34.560 That's not going to help him. 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.760 And to your point, through throughout these stories that we've 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.640 been telling, a lot of them are prison escapes, and nobody, 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.160 not one person in any of these stories gets reformed 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:45.439 by going to the prison system. 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.840 You know, it's supposed to be rehabilitation. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.760 Well, it's it's worth noting, you know, in sorry to 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.160 get all geeky about this is something I'm. 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:54.960 Quite interested in. 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.240 There's a lot of prisons that they actually are private 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:04.080 for profit companies, so it's in their interest that they 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.839 have more prisoners, and so what incentive do they have 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.880 to make sure that their prisoners rehabilitate and get out 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.080 and go lead more healthy, positive lives. 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.080 They don't, they have the incentive to bring them back. 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.040 Like any good business, you want your customers to come back. 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:21.720 I do think it speaks to the kind of larger 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.319 values and understanding. And this goes back to the kind 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.880 of meritocracy myth that we were talking about a minute 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.360 ago when you asked like, Hey, how did you end 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:30.160 up so lucky to be? 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:32.080 You know, a happy person? 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.840 And I think so much of it comes down to luck, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:35.920 whether that's who your. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.880 Parents are, or just the physiology and your brain. 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.960 Are all the cylinders firing right, or are some of 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:44.720 those cylinders firing in a way that drive you as 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:48.280 a young person to think about crime and want to 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:52.320 do that. I definitely think that that's luck. And you know, 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.880 the there's a saying I forget the exact wording of it, 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.560 but like the measure of a good kind society is 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.960 how well you treat the unlucky people. 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:02.960 Joe, because we're spending too much money spying on our 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.640 own citizens. But he's like, you know, that gets expensive. 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:07.720 People need to know who I'm fucking TEXTI man, you know. 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.040 And so when he was with with these like minded people, 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.160 David bracked to others about the police scanner that he 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.120 used to avoid cops, and he said that if they 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.280 ever came at him, he would blow them away. So 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.199 in two thousand and two, on the fourth of July, 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.360 David Sweat and two accomplices ran the truck through the 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.960 back wall of a fireworks and gun shop. They ran 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.440 through the store and they loaded up a duffel bag 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.520 with guns and also fireworks and guns in the same shop. 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.480 Is there anything more American than a flock sip store 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.240 of everything that goes boom? You know? It's like, do 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:40.880 you like guns? 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:41.960 You like explosions? 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.160 Why spend any time anywhere else when you're having fun 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.240 there fireworks when it gets serious, we. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.520 Have weapons and when you don't know which, bury both, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.640 which is kind of incidentally the tagline for My King Senira. 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.520 So with their loot, David raised to a tiny park 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.560 three miles away where they were moving the gun to 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.400 a second car. That's when a local sheriff's deputy pulled 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.000 up in his cruiser and had them in the headlights. Now, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.000 the deputy got out of his car to confront the men, 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.000 but David Sweat just started shooting man and he and 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.880 the other Roberts shot the deputy fifteen times, stole his gun, 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.600 and even this is fucking rough. They ran him over 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.400 with their getaway car, the old bloody premated Tata murder. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.160 But and again not to go on another tangent of this, 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.720 but you know, it's I'm sure for the family of 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.559 this deputy, it's hard to understand this, you know what 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.640 I'm saying. It's hard to have any sympathy for somebody 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:32.960 just killed your fucking husband, of. 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.319 Course, but that's just it. 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.480 It's it's bad for the police too, Like why the 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:42.320 first government intervention of like trying to handle this very 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.920 sick person should not be a sheriff's deputy, a mental 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.520 health professional talking to this kid a decade prior so 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.640 that he doesn't kill the sheriff's deputy. 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.120 That's exactly the. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.800 Problem, exactly. So then they made it their escape. But 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.920 David could not stop bragging. And so within a week, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.920 David's it always fucking happens with criminals, with the criminals 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:03.600 that we learned. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.280 About here, what is he writing about? 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:07.560 He's like, they're gonna fucking talk about me on a 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.240 podcast one David. 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.680 So within a week, David's girlfriend. 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.560 Told the police, and when they called him, David pled 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.959 guilty to the murder. In order to avoid the death penalty. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.760 He received the life sentence without parole. Now they send 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.400 him to Clinton Correctional Facility in upstate New York, and 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.800 that's where he would meet our next escapee, Richard Matt 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:27.960 His story is a lot like David's. You know, he 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:29.839 was another troubled kid who didn't get the help he 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:31.720 needed When he was a kid. He actually ran away 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.320 from a foster home by stealing a horse and riding 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.599 off at the age of fourteen. He even tried to 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.640 steal a houseboat man. You got to give this guy 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.319 a credit for like niche getaway vehicle. You know. He 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.000 was also well known for a penny farthing escape. You know, 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:48.480 have you have you ever owned a unicycle or written 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:49.560 a penny farthing? 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.120 My wife can ride a unicycle. I've never owned one personally, 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:54.600 and I've tried to ride it. 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:56.840 It's very difficult, I'm sure it is. I don't think 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.080 I could ride also ride one fast enough to like 0:13:59.080 --> 0:13:59.559 get away. 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:00.800 I would love to see that. 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.960 That should be our new reality show. So Richard's crimes 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.200 only got worse from there, right felonius, felony weapon charges, 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.679 felony assault, and plenty of misdemeter harassment charges. It's like 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.160 he just couldn't meet somebody without attacking them, you know. 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.000 So when he was caught, he often escaped heavy charges 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.880 by pleading guilty to lesser crimes. What's the most trouble 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:20.120 you ever got into as a kid? 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:26.600 Uh? I? I remember shoplifting a greeting card once at 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.920 the mall because there was a picture on the front 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.120 that looked like my dog, and I wanted to show 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.240 it to my mom and dad. But I also probably 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.880 I think I had probably enough money to buy the thing, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.840 but I was tickled by the idea of, you know, 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:40.640 stealing it. 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.000 And what do you know, I didn't get caught. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:48.640 Like you, but even Jewish kid in the mall, no 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:52.080 one punished me or sent me to foster care for shoplifting. 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:54.920 Well, actually funny she should mention that because we have 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:56.000 the shop owner here. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.560 With us today, come on out found him. We fucking 0:14:58.600 --> 0:14:59.440 found him us. 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.880 It's hill on the refrigerator at my parent's house. 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:03.760 I can give it back to you. No, no, no, no. 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:05.800 He doesn't want to speak right now, but he is 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:09.680 very mighty myth. So the neglect was obvious though, you know, 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.640 with with Richard's life. He made his first prison break 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.320 the easy way. A guard left his prison so open, 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.080 and he just kind of fucking walked out. You know, 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.040 I didn't know that that's you could do. 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.440 He scaled this nice little guardian on it. 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.120 No, no, no, he was just neglectful. You know, we 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.480 also have him here. He's just giving me excuses. So 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.040 this guy scaled a nine foot brick wall and slashed 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.040 up his arms on the barbed wire in the process. 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.440 He jumped the freight train to make his escape, but 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.360 he didn't go far though. It only took him four 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.080 days for police to catch up with him at his 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:40.560 brother's apartment. So, you know, he's not the brightest dude 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:42.560 at hiding, but he's good at like the first part 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.000 of escape, but he lacks a little follow through, which 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.040 is why we'll see later on the story. So every 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.600 time he got out of prison, Richard committed horrible assaults. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:55.560 It was a pretty vicious cycle. And this part is nuts. Okay. Once, 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.600 while he was in prison awaiting trial, he struck a 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.400 deal with another inmate to kill the dude's wife. 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:02.920 The dude paid for Richard's bail. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.640 But once Richard got out, he turned the tables and 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.360 told the authorities about the plot. 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.320 But wait, it gets it gets crazier. 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.680 Wasn't this guy the married to the heir of the 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.880 Warner Brothers fortune overlords. That is correct? 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.720 Wait wait, wait, the guy that was hiring Richard to 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.960 kill his wife while in prison, That guy, the wife 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.640 that he wanted to kill, was the great granddaughter of 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:26.880 the actual Warner Brothers. 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.360 Yeah, yeah, that's right. So she was an heiress of 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:30.800 the Warner Brothers family. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:31.400 Can you believe? 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:32.400 Oh wow? 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.440 So he got out because he rad it on this guy. 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.640 But his next rhyme was the only one that would 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.400 finally get him locked in maximum security. Now, it started 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:41.360 when he took a job with a business dealing with 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.200 kid this nearly expired meat, so they would buy a 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.000 cheap and they were selling it to new customers. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:53.960 Oh so it's the thing, nearly nearly expired meat. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:58.080 Nearly yeah, keto, it was the old keto version. So 0:16:58.440 --> 0:16:59.960 have you ever had any sketchy jobs? 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.000 I mean, I'm an actor, so it is kind of 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:02.960 a sketchy job. 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:07.880 I hear. So Richard made his expired meat job even 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.439 more sketchy. He started stealing the meat, smuggling over the 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.800 border into Canada for cash that he would then take 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.800 the strip close, right, So who's buying all this fucking 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:18.359 expired me? By the way, I don't want to know. 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:22.160 So after strivers, Yeah, not the stripper, I hope. After 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.000 only a few weeks, the boss caught him and fired Richard. Now, 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.840 unfortunately for the boss, Richard had overheard him make a 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.359 comment one time about one hundred grand that he had 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:34.480 buried in the basement. So Richard thought it was real 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:36.960 and he wanted that money. So he got a friend 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:38.760 and the two of them rolled up on the meat 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.200 dealer at his house. They beat him up, They stuffed 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:43.640 him into the trunk of Richard's car, and they drove 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.400 around for hours, stopping to interrogate and beat the guy. 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.919 They never learned anything from him, so Richard eventually just 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.320 killed him. But here's the most gruesome ploy. Yeah, he's 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.760 the most gruesome part. Richard cut him up into pieces 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:57.080 and dumped him in a river. 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:58.360 Oh my goodness. 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.040 Yeah. So he went to Mexico, but like David Sweat, 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.680 he just couldn't keep quiet. He went berserk and killed 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.960 another man in a bar. Jeez. Richard did nine years 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.800 in a Mexican prison before he got shipped back to 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.119 the United States. Oh so, how bad do you have 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.360 to be for the Mexican jails to be like? Nokout 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:16.720 you know what you can't have No, no, you can 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:18.200