1 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody here with you? 2 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: On what is a random live if you will. Normally 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 2: I like to give a little more time and notice 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: to do this, but I decided to kind of come 5 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: off the cup with this one because there were a 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: couple of things that were bothering me that were in 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: the atmosphere. 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: Number one that I want to address is. 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: On Blue Sky, because honestly, I'm trying to spend as 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: limited time as possible on X on Twitter just because 11 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 2: I hate the energy there, and unfortunately, I'm saddled with 12 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: the fact that I have the most follower count on X, 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: so I don't really enjoy posting on X and I've 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: been trying to keep that kind of to a minimum 15 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: for some time now. You all know where the platform 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 2: has become. It's kind of toxic. I don't really fool 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: with it like that. But nevertheless, some of the thoughts 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: that I've had as the events have unfolded with Charlie 19 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: Kirk I posted on other platforms because it just feels 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: like the engagement is just. 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: A little better, a little more genuine, if you will. 22 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 2: No social media platform is perfect, that's for sure, but 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: it just feels a little differently dependent on what platform 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: we're talking about. Hence I'm on threads Blue Sky fan 25 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: base about to get myself stacked popping, so you all 26 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: watch for that. And so I posted a La Times 27 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: piece that was done in the form of TikTok on 28 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: social media where they talked to an expert, because once 29 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: it became known that Tyler Robinson, the man who killed 30 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk, murdered him cold blood right in front of 31 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: everybody at Utah Valley State, that there was some market 32 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: on the bullet casings that needed to be explained that 33 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: we're deeply apart as we know now part of online culture, 34 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: deeply embedded online culture, particularly for gamers. 35 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: And so I. 36 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: Posted this piece by The Times where this woman is 37 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: explaining what this is and which gave us a little 38 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: bit more insight because gamer culture, I think those of 39 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: us who are sort of trying to be cognizant about 40 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 2: a lot of things that are happening now on social media, 41 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: there is a presence of white supremacy in gamer culture 42 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: because of the chads and different stuff that's going on. 43 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: So I posted this and I said, man, this might 44 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: be a kind of white supremacy on white supremacy kind 45 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: of kind of issue here, because certainly, as we know 46 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: now that Charlie Kirk faced a lot of criticism. I mean, 47 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: they were coming for him, hard folks like Nick Pointe's 48 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: who were quite disgusted by Charlie Kirk for whatever reason. 49 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, if it was a jealousy thing, I don't. 50 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: Know, then maybe my people, I have no idea, but 51 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 2: something was clearly going on there. 52 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: And so you guys know, the last time I went. 53 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: Live, clearly disgusted and appalled about what happened by Charlie Kirk, 54 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: as in speaking for myself, but also thought that there 55 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 2: was room for a separate conversation about the fact that 56 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: there was this incredible effort being put forth to sanitize 57 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: some of the things that he said. Even now a 58 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 2: few days later, it's funny how a lot of the 59 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: things that we can watch for ourselves, and I'm not 60 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: talking about watching snippets, see, I watched in full, so 61 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: I got the full context of a lot of the 62 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: things that Charlie Kirk used to say, and in the 63 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 2: moment when he said them, just because these things tended 64 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: to circulate and go viral, And it's funny how just 65 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: in a few days, Charlie Kirk has become the most 66 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: misunderstood person ever for someone who made communicy he's for 67 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: his living that he made a living being a communicator, 68 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: being a podcaster, speaking and reaching new people. Suddenly everything 69 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: he ever said about race, about gender, all of that 70 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: was taken out of context. 71 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: So it's kind of interesting how that happened. 72 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 2: So I spoke to that while making it abundantly clear 73 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: that him being murdered publicly in such a violent fashion 74 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: was unacceptable, and. 75 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: So I. 76 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: Clearly made the mistake and thinking we can't handle two 77 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: concepts at once. And so I got a lot of 78 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of criticism, a lot of blowback, 79 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 2: a lot of people saying I was justifying, not justifying 80 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 2: that man, no matter what he said, does not deserve. 81 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: To go out like that. 82 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 2: I think I made that very clear, and yet a 83 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: lot of people chose to misunderstand, which is their right 84 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: to do. And even when talking about the imprint culturally 85 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 2: that Charlie Kirk left with us, it is, you know, no, 86 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say like he left a 87 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: very distinct cultural imprint, and especially as it relates to 88 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: young conservatives, and so if you're a young conservative and 89 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: you're somebody who rocked with Charlie Kirk. 90 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: You have the right to remember him however you want to. 91 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: But there's your side, there's my side, and then there's 92 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: the truth. And we can see what his words were 93 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: for ourselves. And yeah, the people who rocked with them, 94 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: the people that consider themselves fans or believers or you know, 95 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: a part of his clique, they're allowed to remember him 96 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 2: however they want. I mean, that's the thing about legacy 97 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: and kind of what I was saying before when I 98 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: did this live is that you know, you remember people 99 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 2: in totality, but how you remember them is definitely based 100 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: off your worldview. 101 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: You know, there's many. 102 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: Complicated picture figures that we've seen when they've passed that 103 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: there are some people who grapple with what did that 104 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: person really mean? 105 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: And I brought up the example of Queen Elizabeth for 106 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: that reason. 107 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: There was certainly a huge swathe of people who were 108 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 2: appreciative of Queen Elizabeth, who. 109 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: Who really looked up to her, who celebrated her, But 110 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: there was another swathe of people who they felt like 111 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: her and what she represented. 112 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: Directly negatively impacted them because of British colonialism, and so 113 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,119 Speaker 2: there were some Africans who felt away, who didn't feel 114 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: like that they had to celebrate her or didn't feel like. 115 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: They had the mourner. And I think that's okay too, 116 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. 117 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: But what I do find to be distasteful in this 118 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 2: moment is that there's a lot of people. It's one 119 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: thing if you choose to mourn and reflect on Charlie 120 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: Kirk in the way that's more positively than others, that 121 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: is your right to do. It's another thing where you're 122 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: forcing people to remember somebody a certain way that they 123 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: don't want to remember them. It's okay, they're not. 124 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: So this whole this sudden. 125 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: Bullying until you have to remember Charlie Kirk as being 126 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: this Christian man and who you know, all these positive things, 127 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: you're bullying people to feel something that they don't feel. Okay, 128 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: And unequivocally I find that discharged from the right about 129 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 2: people celebrating his death. Yes, there are some assholes who 130 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: definitely did that, and that was distasteful, and that was disrespectful. 131 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: And in humane. 132 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: But because you actually had the nerve to remember some 133 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: of the harmful things that he said suddenly. That meant 134 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: they equated that to celebrating his death, and that's not 135 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: what was happening there. I saw more universal agreement that 136 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: what happened to him was fucked up than I did. 137 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: Seeing people celebrate them. 138 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: It's gonna always be crass people that make crash jokes 139 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: in serious situations. But I think I don't think I'm 140 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: wrong here by saying the majority of people found it 141 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: to be unacceptable. And so it is so that the 142 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: right trying to perpetually put themselves in this whole victimhood 143 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: and grievance is like really fascinating to me, because literally 144 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,839 Speaker 2: every important political figure on the. 145 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: Democratic side all said the same thing. 146 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, everybody that whose position matters, 147 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: all of them said routinely that this was unacceptable. 148 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: Political violence is unacceptable. 149 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: I mean, it's unacceptable, but here we have a whole 150 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: history to tell it's tolerated. 151 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, So. 152 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: I don't even know where this whole sentiment came from 153 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 2: that there was this widespread celebration based off how people 154 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: on social media behave to me what matters. 155 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: And this is not to. 156 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: Say that people on social media don't have a voice 157 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: in the right to feel how they feel they do 158 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 2: as well. But to me, a lot of this was 159 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: created outrage over nothing. It's like, yeah, every time, you're 160 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: gonna get that. Meanwhile, when you compared it to Nancy 161 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 2: Pelosi and her husband when he was attacked, you had 162 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: people in pretty important positions, Donald Trump Junior Donald Trump 163 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 2: who were saying what would be considered celebrating political violence. 164 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: So I'm not talking about internet trolls and random faceless 165 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 2: people on social media with dog photos and Oakley's and 166 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: and Team. 167 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: USA like, I'm not talking about them. 168 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the people who have positions of influence 169 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: that matter and widespread. 170 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: It was pretty clear that when that happened, y'all had jokes. 171 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: Y'all had a lot of jokes. And even. 172 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: If you want to put George Floyd's murder in this 173 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: camp as well, is. 174 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: A lot of people in pretty big parts and pretty big. 175 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: Influential pedestals had a lot to say about George Floyd 176 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: that was negative, that was. 177 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: Disrespectful. George Floyd had kids, you. 178 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: Know all those things that we're hearing now about all 179 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: you want to say that because Charlie Kirk has kids 180 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: and a White, George Floyd, that family as well. 181 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that there has not been. 182 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 2: On the left distasteful things and that they have not 183 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 2: also engaged in political violence or being inhumane in times 184 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: of tragedy, But the right now all of a sudden saying, 185 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: oh no, it's all on the left. It's nobody on 186 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: the right, like, hey, guys, we got too many receipts. 187 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: We see you, we see you. 188 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: So I think that's the part that people are pushing 189 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: back on, is them using the murder of this man 190 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: to hijack a narrative, and unfortunately not just hijacking narrative, 191 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: but now, if you're watching real closely, now they're going 192 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: to use this as a suppression of resistance and free speech, 193 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: which is really ironic since Charlie Kirk himself said that 194 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 2: hate speech, all different kinds of speech are all covered 195 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: and protected under free speech. 196 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I find that was something Charlie and 197 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 1: I actually. 198 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 2: Agreed on, all right, But suddenly y'all want to change 199 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 2: the rules because you don't like what's being said. 200 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: So there's that part of it. Now. 201 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: Today in Utah, we got a little more insight into 202 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 2: why Tyler Robinson did what he did, and I don't know. 203 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: That we were ever fully understand it. 204 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: And I came to an understanding and I wanted to 205 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 2: come to this form in this platform. 206 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: Who I'm knocking my mic down? 207 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 2: I wanted to come to this form in this platform 208 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: to say this, this is what happens when you talk 209 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: with their hands. 210 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: Is that. I think a lot of people on both. 211 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: Sides, and I'll put myself in that I'm not going 212 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 2: to absolve myself any of any responsibility got some things wrong, 213 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: because here's something that maybe we should face is that 214 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 2: politically the person who committed this doesn't fit in either camp. 215 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: You know, we found out from the Utah prosecutor that, 216 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: you know, even though some of his family said that 217 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: politically he was changing. I mean, I don't know what 218 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: that means, because we do have people who take bits 219 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: and pieces from both the left and the right, and 220 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: that's what makes whatever's their political consciousness. From what we see, 221 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: this dude never even voted. But immediately I think what 222 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: I certainly push back on when this first happened is 223 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: immediately they branded him as big a far left radical. 224 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: It's like, are we sure and if the. 225 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: If the pushback is that, well, he's got to be 226 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: because his parents are maga, you know, given what we 227 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: know of their beliefs, and there seem to be some 228 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: level of tension there from what we know, from what 229 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: the you know, from what we've been able to learn 230 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 2: through confirmed reporting. You know, there's a lot of people 231 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: who consider themselves Republican. They don't necessarily fuck with Maga. 232 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is that there is even room 233 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 2: for that nuance and whatever is. All of a sudden 234 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: you got people saying, well, he was radicalized in college 235 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: at a trade school. 236 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: I mean, like, what. 237 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: We forget that we have this humongous online culture of 238 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: social media that you could not even go to anybody's 239 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: college and you could come online and whatever it is 240 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 2: is bubbling as part of your belief system. You can 241 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: find a group to join, something to confirm it. And unfortunately, 242 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: because there's not a lot of guardrails on social. 243 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: Media, you can. 244 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 2: Find a tribe of people who might encourage you to 245 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: go further and go to a dangerous place. And then 246 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: suddenly there's going to be this conversation about his sexuality, 247 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: which I don't it's not on me to define that. Yes, 248 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 2: he had a roommate that was transitioning who is trans 249 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: and they were in a romantic relationship. This is a 250 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: fact that was confirmed today by the Utah prosecutor. 251 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: And I see a lot of people. 252 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: On the right who are saying, well, all that means 253 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: he was a leftist. Hey, I'm gonna say this, and 254 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: I'm gonna hold your hand. 255 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: There's gay Republicans. There are gay people in the far 256 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: right movement. 257 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: And I don't even want to call him far right 258 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: because frankly, I don't know that we know left or right. 259 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: And it made me slow down because I try my 260 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: best not to get caught up in the caught up 261 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: in I'm caught up in our division because we at 262 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: this point we have no choice to be. But I 263 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: don't want to see the world as so binary that 264 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: it's always left to right. 265 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: Hell, I don't even fit into I know, I. 266 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: Don't fit to the right for sure, and I don't 267 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: even fit into everything on the left. Well, I wouldn't 268 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: necessarily call myself independent because you know, at this point, 269 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: with this current state and iteration of what the Republican 270 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: Party is, I can't imagine myself voting for anybody on 271 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: that side of things. So, yeah, some of us don't 272 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: comfortably fit into a particular political circle. We may take 273 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: bits and pieces of everything, and maybe that's the part 274 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: of this, that's the learn as they say in corporate culture, 275 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: for all of this. And so I will willingly, you know, 276 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: throw myself on the front and say like, yeah, as 277 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: we were learning more details, certain boxes were getting checked, 278 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: even in my mind, and I made that publicly clear. 279 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, utah, white, Okay, conservative parents, Okay, 280 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: we see where this was going. 281 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: And again some of it would it's just like, oh. 282 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: Okay, they're trying really hard to make him fit into 283 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: the narrative, like he's a leftist. And now that it's 284 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 2: the old adage that we hear time and again that 285 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: the truth is somewhere in the middle, and I think 286 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 2: those on the left end the right might need to 287 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 2: face that that's the real thing here. 288 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: The truth is somewhere in the middle. And so. 289 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: What I'm more concerned is is how this entire, ugly 290 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: chapter will be weaponized against the wrong people. 291 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: And as soon as. 292 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: The authorities confirm that he had a romantic relationship with 293 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: his roommate, who is a member of the trans community, 294 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: we already know where that's going. Even though, lets everybody 295 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: be clear, his roommate has fully cooperated with the police. 296 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 2: His roommate had no idea that this was happening, none whatsoever. 297 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: But there's going to be a level of blame that 298 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 2: is put on that community, especially since a lot of 299 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: people on the right. 300 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: Have framed being trans. 301 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: Being near or adjacent or in touch with that community 302 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: in any way is like guilt by association, not necessarily 303 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: with being trans, but because they have so associated that 304 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: with having a mental illness of some kind, like, oh, 305 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: he was, he's been indoctrinated. 306 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: It's just like what And it's funny. 307 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 2: It's interesting how people think about that indoctrination, because I 308 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: often think it's pretty comical how people will somebody who 309 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 2: becomes a part of the camer community, born a part 310 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: of the camer community, or whatever, at whatever point that 311 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 2: they will are in the community, they will have by 312 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: that time, whatever, whenever they come out, will have undergone 313 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: and have seen a lot of for lack of a 314 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 2: better way to put it, heterosexual programming, heterosexuals everywhere on TV, 315 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 2: social media, all around, like we're a strong heteronormative society, 316 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 2: and they obviously will still feel like that doesn't represent 317 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: who they actually are. 318 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: And yet we have this way of. 319 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: Treating being a part of the queer community like as 320 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: a disease, like as soon as you. 321 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: Touch it, you're gonna be one. It's like, what, So, 322 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: let me get this straight. 323 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: All the that should let you know, all the hetero 324 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: programming that goes on in a person's life that didn't 325 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 2: influence them in any way to be different than the 326 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: person they feel like they really are. But let you 327 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: touch the hem of a gay person's role and it's over. 328 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 2: Don't understand it. So anyway, I say all this to 329 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: say that, yeah, I will willingly admit it and apologize. 330 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 2: I even rushed to judgment. 331 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: And now that I've been able to soak in all 332 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: this information. 333 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: And that we're learning more from the actual authorities who 334 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: are actually doing the investigating, it occurred to me like, oh. 335 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: The truth is literally in the middle. 336 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, now real quick, because I think you guys 337 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: probably saw it in the description and you may have 338 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 2: even seen me in telling people on threads that I 339 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: was going to go live. I mentioned that I wanted 340 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: to read somebody for filth that's coming, trust me, But 341 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: real quick, and to pivot off this Charlie Kirk thing, 342 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: I want to say a few words about Trey Reid. 343 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: Trey Reid, as we know right now, he is the 344 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: black student who went to Delta State University body found 345 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: hanging from a tree of Mississippi. We know all the 346 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: boxes in our mind. I was just talking about boxes 347 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: that are being checked. We know all the boxes that 348 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: are being checked. And because Mississippi, as we know, has 349 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: a pretty nasty history when it comes to lynching black 350 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: people in particular, and so as we're trying to figure 351 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 2: out what's really going. 352 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 1: On, a lot of people are asking questions. 353 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: Number One, I want to mention it because I think 354 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 2: it needs to be in the news more. I think 355 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: this is something that should be national news. 356 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: That's number one. 357 00:21:52,960 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: But beyond that, I do I have seen commentary our community, 358 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: from the black community that says like we. 359 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 1: You know, we we don't hang ourselves. 360 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: And I'm stuck on that because I'm looking at the 361 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: police have rooted. 362 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: A suicide or did rut it a suicide? 363 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: But I think they're doing some further investigation, and I 364 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: think most of us, that's all we're asking is like 365 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: do a thorough investigation, because the optics of this don't 366 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: look like what you all have described what happened. But 367 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: I do think we need to be careful in this 368 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: moment because the suicide rate among black men is something 369 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: that is a real issue, and so when we say 370 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 2: stuff like we don't do stuff like that, that's putting 371 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 2: a stigma on something on a mental health issue that. 372 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 1: Not all of us fully. 373 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: Really grasp because you know, mental health and black men 374 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: is a real It's something that's really serious. And I'm 375 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 2: very glad that compared to when I grew up, the 376 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: stigma around mental health, while it hasn't completely disappeared, we're 377 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: in a much healthier place in discussing the importance of 378 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 2: mental health in the black community, because I think for 379 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: a long time, the thinking was that black people didn't 380 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: even have the luxury to think about such things because 381 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 2: of the weight of the world. And so I would 382 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: caution as we're trying to figure out what really happened 383 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: to Trey Read and the authorities now that there is 384 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: more national attention on this, and I'm hoping because there 385 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 2: is more scrutiny, that this will this will motivate the 386 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: authorities in Mississippi to move in a way with justice 387 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 2: in mind and move against what is the narrative of 388 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: their history frankly when it comes to situations and cases 389 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 2: like this. 390 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: But also. 391 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: Need to be aware that because the suicide rates look 392 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: like what they do among black men, that when we 393 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 2: say stuff like we don't do stuff like that, that's 394 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: again going with that stigma that we are trying to 395 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: get away from so that we could create a community 396 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: of safety, so that when people are experiencing thoughts about 397 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 2: suicide and dealing with their mental health, that they won't 398 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: feel like, oh, this makes me abnormal, because black people 399 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: aren't supposed to feel this way. 400 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: We're human beings. We don't feel how we feel. And 401 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: so I just. 402 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: Wanted to say that on top of just being among 403 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: another media person who is surfacing the fact that this 404 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: story deserves more attention, it deserves to be looked in, 405 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,239 Speaker 2: and it certainly deserves more scrutiny. Now let me get 406 00:24:53,280 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: to this read. So I saw that Megan Kelly no 407 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: friend of mine. I'm no friend to hers. I don't 408 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: even like her. I don't know her. Actually the last 409 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: time I saw Megan Kelly. Here's what's so funny. Last 410 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 2: time I saw Megan Kelly, this would have been when 411 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 2: Obama was still in the White House. I cannot remember 412 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 2: if it was first term or second term. I want 413 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: to say it was second term. I'm pretty sure it 414 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: was second term. Now that I think about it, I'm 415 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 2: pretty sure it was. But either way, I saw Megan 416 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: Kelly at the White House and it really got me 417 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 2: to thinking. I saw her from a distance. I didn't 418 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 2: go up to I don't know this woman, so you know, 419 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: of course, she was still at Fox, very aware of 420 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 2: what her reputation was in terms of what she contributed 421 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 2: as a journalist. But what I found so interesting is 422 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: when I saw the White House, it was during the 423 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: time of year. It was the holiday season, and what 424 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: happens is during the holiday season, White House has a 425 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: bunch of parties. There's different groups every night, Like one 426 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: night it might be media members, one night it might 427 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: be entertainers. Another night it could be a mixture of 428 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: the two. Is different audiences, So it was a lot 429 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 2: of media members. This was like, I guess, the media 430 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: version of the Obama's holiday party when they invite people 431 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: from both sides of the aisle come there, and sometimes 432 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 2: the President is there and First Lady sometimes or not. 433 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: On this night, they were. 434 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 2: There, and I remember seeing Megan Kelly in the receiving 435 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 2: line to get a picture with the Obamas, and I 436 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: thought that was super interesting because I was thinking, now, 437 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: don't you sping pretty much your whole damn broadcast talking 438 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: about how this man ain't shit? 439 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: And here you are aligning up to go. 440 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: And that's when I knew, like, oh, for a lot 441 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: of people that are in our business, and especially who 442 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: are in the position of being considered to be conservative commentators, 443 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: a lot of that shit is fake. I was like, oh, 444 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: this is like w w in to them. This is 445 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: like wrestling where they like playing a character. See what 446 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 2: you see here is for real, Like this is why 447 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 2: I am. Whether I'm talking to you on YouTube, boyd, 448 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: y'all catch me out in the street, I'm the same person, 449 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 2: and a lot of them can't say that. 450 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: And so I was really. 451 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: I was really taken aback and I was like, oh, 452 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: I got it. That's the game, peep it right. All 453 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 2: that being said, so, over the course of the years, 454 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 2: Megan Kelly has often had a lot of words for me, 455 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: a lot of words about me. I generally try to 456 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: keep her name out of her out of my mouth, 457 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: because I. 458 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: Don't like to amplify the thoughts of stupid people. 459 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: But all that being said, this time I'm gonna make 460 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 2: an exception and I'm gonna tell you why. But first, 461 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 2: let me play the clip of what Meghan Kelly had 462 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 2: to say about me. 463 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 3: It all wrong. Here's this jerk top fifteen. 464 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 2: Of course, as you all know, in the wake of 465 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 2: Charlie's murder, there was an incredible amount of angry discourse 466 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 2: from the right, blaming the Democrats, blaming liberals, saying you're 467 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: the reason this happened. Only to find out, surprise, twenty 468 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 2: two year old white dude loved guns, raised. 469 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: By two parents, lived in a good home. Dad as 470 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: a minister. Also a share of didn't check it in 471 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: the boxes, y'all thought even checked diddy. 472 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 3: Okay, first of all, a code of mascara would be 473 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 3: your friend. I'm just going to tell this to you, 474 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 3: woman to woman on television. 475 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: You need a. 476 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 3: Little work and you should have them back off the 477 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 3: camera a little bit because you are not attractive enough 478 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 3: to have that extreme close up. 479 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: Push away your. 480 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 3: Laptop, jameel and add a filter or two honestly, like, 481 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 3: we actually don't use any on this show, because I 482 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: do put on makeup so I look presentable. But you 483 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 3: need work because you can't both be ugly on the 484 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 3: outside and the inside. 485 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: You need to choose one. Oh so she went there. 486 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: Now, Generally, when I come back as somebody, especially as 487 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: a woman, because I'm very aware and Megan, here you 488 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 2: go all yep, all up in there, get a looking 489 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 2: at uh this non mascara face. That's what you call 490 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: natural beauty. You wouldn't know shit about that. 491 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 4: I know. 492 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 2: So generally, when I attack somebody for their words, their ideas, 493 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: I typically, especially dealing with women, especially dealing with women 494 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: on TV, I never. 495 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: Say shit about their looks. 496 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: And the reason I don't say anything about their looks 497 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 2: is because this is something that women in television often 498 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: have to deal with. Is us being criticized by our 499 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 2: looks back rather than how will we do the job, 500 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 2: how well we speak about issues, how will we control 501 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: a broadcast? Like that's usually put to the side and 502 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: people judge us based off how we look. 503 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't expect. 504 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: Somebody like you to get that, because that would actually 505 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: require your dumb ass to critically think for one of 506 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 2: your life, which we know you don't do, and that 507 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: is why. 508 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: I chose to respond. And I'm sorry that. 509 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: You up there, however old you are looking twice as 510 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: old as you actually are. My bad, you know, because 511 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: that's the thing about the way this melanine is working 512 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: in this body. You don't know if I'm twenty eight, 513 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: thirty eight, forty eight, fifty eight sixty eight, and I'm 514 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: proud to come on live and present myself as I 515 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 2: am in my natural state because I'm not ashamed of 516 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 2: what I look like. I don't begrudge any woman that 517 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,479 Speaker 2: uses makeup, not at all. I use makeup. 518 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm on TV. 519 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: I do that. 520 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: Right, That's a part of our job. That's what we do. 521 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: And so your advice to me is to get some 522 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: mass scared of my advice to use to actually get 523 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: a personality in a persona that doesn't always make you 524 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: look like a racist, at a bigot and trash. 525 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm comfortable where I am and what I've done. 526 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: You, on the other hand, are known as the lady 527 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 2: who thinks Santa Claus is only white and that black 528 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: face is cool. 529 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 530 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: Me and you ain't the same girl, We ain't the same, 531 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: And so what I would say is, you may not 532 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 2: like my opinions. You may not like who I am. 533 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: You don't know me. You don't even know me enough 534 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 2: not to like me. Because you don't know me, you 535 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: ain't never had a conversation with me, and your whole 536 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 2: fucking life, you don't know shit about me other than what. 537 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: You see it. 538 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: If you want to judge a based off that, that's fine. 539 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 2: It is the challenge that I have accepted. It is 540 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: the duty and part of the job. People go about 541 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: what they see. They don't know you outside of your 542 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: commentary or whatever. So yeah, I get called names all 543 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: the time. All what you're not going to do is 544 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: call me ugly because this face card ain't never been declined. 545 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: What I would say that you might want to do. 546 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 2: And shout out to my boy Don Lemon for bringing 547 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 2: this to our attention. Instead of worrying about what the 548 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,239 Speaker 2: fuck I look like about what my mescuar I use 549 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: or don't lose, perhaps you should be more worried about 550 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 2: what's happening in your house. 551 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 5: Maybe people would like you and the women would like 552 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 5: you more if you. 553 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: Weren't such a what you said about my former colleague. 554 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 5: And by the way, Megan, let me just say something, 555 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 5: deal with your own house and tell your husband to 556 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 5: stop looking at my husband across the room. 557 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: It's weird, Megan. 558 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 2: You got you got more pressing things to worry about, 559 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: then what the fuck Jamal Hills saying you got more 560 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 2: oppressing things to worry about than. 561 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: What's coming out of my mouth. 562 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: According to Don Lovit, so if I were you, I 563 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 2: deal with that and worry less about what I'm wearing, 564 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: whether than worry less about what foundation number I'm using. 565 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 2: If I'm using Mac products of Fency Beauty, I wouldn't 566 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 2: worry about that. I worry about my house because we're 567 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: good over here. And finally, let me leave you with 568 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: this in case it was in and out after this 569 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: about how I feel about you, I'm gonna make this 570 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 2: abundantly clear. 571 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: Here's what I think about you. 572 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 4: Fuck you, uh, I mean that from the bottom of 573 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 4: my heart. Fuck you, Fuck your mama, Fuck your daddy, 574 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 4: fucked the horsehoe rode in on. Fuck everybody who loves you, 575 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 4: who cares about you, who has ever supported you in 576 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 4: your life, who has become a part of making you 577 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 4: the person that you are today. Fuck you, fuck them, 578 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 4: fuck all of y'all. 579 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 2: Have a good day, Megan Kell and you all out there, 580 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: you all have a good day as well. 581 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: Thank you. 582 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 2: Politics is the production of iHeart Podcast and the Unbothered Network. 583 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 2: I'm your host Jamel Hill. Executive producer is Taylor Chakoigne. 584 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: Lucas Hymen is head of audio and executive producer. 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