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It's so odd. 29 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: I watched a little Stanley Cup last night. Wait to 30 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: go Vague. I don't think there's ever been a franchise 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: in the history of sports that's come in as an 32 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: expansion team for the next five years. They are unbelievable. 33 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: I think the history of sports, I don't think there's 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: anything ever been like the Golden Knights. I watched the 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: friendly between USA and Germany. Oh it's great. And for 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: the record, there's a reason they don't have a World 37 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: Cup match. And Rob Emmanuel was the mayor and he's like, 38 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not going to write a blank check to FIFA, 39 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: and so you know, I'm not I'm not going to 40 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: force that down our taxpayers throats and FIFA wanted a 41 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: blank check. It's the same reason the Bears. The governor JB. Pritzker. 42 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: It's like, I'd love to have the Bears here, but 43 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: half the city's closer to Hammond, and I'm not going 44 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: to be, you know, held hostage by having a board 45 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: of directors or an ownership group. So it's interesting we're 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: losing the Bears. We lost the World Cup, and you 47 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: could say it's outrageous, but I would argue, well, I mean, 48 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: billionaires have a lot of leverage and a lot of allies, 49 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: and if you don't kind of sometimes baby them. I mean, 50 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: I like Dean Spanels. I've got a dinner with him 51 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: several times. But eventually LA gave him a better deal 52 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: and he moved up the I five and took the 53 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: Chargers to Los Angeles and has enemies now. So Kansas City, 54 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: the Chiefs are leaving Kansas City. They're going to Kansas 55 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: Niners play Santa Clara. It's like it stinks, but this 56 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: is the reality. States compete against each other. I have 57 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: a friend that lives in Washington State and they're adding 58 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: a nine and a half. They've never had a personal 59 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: income tax. They're adding nine point nine percent. Jesus, I 60 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: mean zero to nine nine. I mean I get zero 61 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: to two, zero to nine nine. If you make over 62 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: a million, and you can say, well, it's a million dollars, 63 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: Seattle's a tech hub. 64 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people with a million dollars. 65 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: I know two of them. They're both leaving. You know. 66 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: They're like, we can be mobile in our jobs. Were 67 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: and it's like, this is this is the if you demonize, 68 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: if you try to soak taxpayers, if you're a billionaire. 69 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: So I will defend politicians over rich people there, but 70 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: if you try to demonize rich people, they will also leave. 71 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: So this stuff is hard, it's it's complicated, and I 72 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: don't support billionaires all the time. I think they should 73 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: pay for mostly their own stadiums. Mostly there is some 74 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: public good in having a team in the stadium. But anyway, 75 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm off ranting. So I was thinking about San Antonio 76 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: and my first question to you, and it's just kind 77 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: of a statement and say what you want. But I'm old. 78 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: So I watched Moses Malone and a Keen and Shack 79 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: and it had to be less old to watch Duncan. 80 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: I didn't see Russell or Chamberlain, but all of them 81 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: were big men. But there was a foundation, there was girth, 82 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: there was size. Wemby and I said this about a 83 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: year ago, is closer to Ralph Sampson and Sam Bowie. 84 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: The latter NBA career basically shortened because of injuries, and 85 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: Ralph Sampson was good, didn't last quite as long as 86 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: you think. But there is a downside of being seven 87 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: to four and a half, and that is most of 88 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: our great centers have not only been big, they move people. 89 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: They're powerful. We think of Cat is almost a finesse 90 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: big right, like a perimeter big. He has bullied Wemby. 91 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: We knew Mitchell, Robinson and Og have some leverage. But 92 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: to me, the series is, oh, Cat is the best 93 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: player in the series. To me, has that surprised you? 94 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: No? No, I mean him being the best player in 95 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: this series, Sure as hell has surprised me. I mean 96 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: him giving Wemby issues. I think kind of is more 97 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: or less what we've expected. I think that that's been 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: really the story of Wenby's first playoff run is that 99 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: these big, physical centers that have some mobility with the 100 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: ability to beat him to spot. So the guys that 101 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: can give him issues, namely Isaiah Hartenstein. I didn't give 102 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: Jalen Williams a little bit of credit in the last 103 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: round two. I thought he had some moments and then 104 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns. And to be clear, it's like, it's 105 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 2: not like he's awful, Like he's averaging twenty eight and eleven. 106 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: He's at fifty four percent true shooting, which sounds bad, 107 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: but this series has been really low scoring, Like that's 108 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: above the true shooting percentage for both teams so far 109 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: through two games Runson, for examples, at forty two percent, 110 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: so everyone's struggling. Wenby's actually been pretty effective. It's just 111 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 2: looked really hard. It's been like he's a cat in 112 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 2: his individual defense, and I'd extend this to the team. 113 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 2: I think the Knicks have done a wonderful job of 114 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: just mucking up his roles, just getting tons of bodies 115 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: in the paint as he's trying to roll to the 116 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 2: basket and kind of daring the Spurs to shoot and 117 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: they're shooting thirty percent from three in the series. That's 118 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: been part of the problem. But as the roles have 119 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: been taken away because he can't get close to the rim. 120 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: It's been a lot of jump shots and a lot 121 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: of like even the buckets he gets around the rim, 122 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: it feels like he's fighting like hell to get just 123 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: the slightest bit of an edge. And there's no doubt that, 124 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 2: Like I think part of this colin which I think 125 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 2: is because there's this this kind of a cliche you'll 126 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: hear from a lot of people like why doesn't he 127 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: just go down there every time? And it's like some 128 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: of this is he's seven to five, Like he's never 129 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 2: going to win leverage battles against people. That's the really 130 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: to me, the story of Wemby becoming a reliable in 131 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: the paint score is more of a team coaching. How 132 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: do we get him down there? Ball screens, rolling certain 133 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: actions to get him position. He is not going to 134 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 2: just body check dudes into the lane at any point 135 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: in his career right. But the closest example of this 136 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: is Anthony Davis. He put on a bunch of muscle, 137 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: it didn't help him at all because his center of 138 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: gravity is too high. It doesn't matter like Anthony Davis 139 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: would have been better off leaning into being lean and 140 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: fast and that is Wenby's advantage. I think really the 141 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: story of this playoff front has been just kind of 142 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: a revealing an example of what his career will look 143 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: like in the future, which is he's certainly going to 144 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: have to have a jump shot to be impactful, and 145 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: getting him paint touches is going to be a team 146 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: and coaching issue revolving how do we get him around 147 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: bodies that are bigger and more physical than him. 148 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're a little unfair on this. So in football, 149 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: player often spends three years minimum in college with very hard, 150 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: singular coaching. It's often a Nick Saban, Lincoln Riley, a 151 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh. It could be anybody could be Dabbosweeney, any 152 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: big college coach. There are some transfers obviously, but you 153 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: may have two college coaches. But football coaching is hard. 154 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: Three years minimum college often four. You often come in married. 155 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean, football culture is you know it's not gonna 156 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: last very long. Football players tend to understand that, like, listen, 157 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm a bad block and it's over. They tend to 158 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: invest their money more quickly, start family sooner, and get 159 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: a little harder coaching. It's less aau bouncing around to 160 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: a tea. That's not it. It's not a million games. 161 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: It's always once a week high school, college, pro. And 162 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: so even in the NFL, with that ecosystem, we always know, well, 163 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: he's a rookie. We allow quarterbacks to get to year 164 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: three before we judge him. Well, in basketball, it's often 165 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: one year of college basketball. Now nil probably makes it 166 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: two or three. But a lot of these Euros, you know, 167 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: they're the academy playing against older guys. That's an advantage. 168 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: But we forget Lebron had to fail miserably against Dallas 169 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: in the finals before he added a layer to his game. 170 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: Magic Johnson at one point was called tragic Johnson after 171 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: a horrible finals. These are basketball cultures different, Wemby. It's 172 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: been suggested. I don't think it's a terrible idea. People said, 173 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: you know, you should call Kareem and develop a little 174 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: bit of a baby hook, not thirteen times a game. 175 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: Three just added dimension to it. And I think, guys, 176 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: this idea that Wemby at twenty two, Dylan Harper looks 177 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: really young all the time in the series. It's like, guys, 178 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: let's be fair to basketball culture, right, This is not 179 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, like God if you play baseball, Jason, you're 180 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: playing travel baseball from the time you're thirteen, you'd play 181 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: no sports. Then you go to the minor leagues for 182 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: four years, you get to the bigs at twenty six, 183 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: you've played so much baseball. Some of this is the 184 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: basketball culture, even with our stars, creates holes until you're 185 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: about twenty six to twenty seven. Then you got six 186 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: year run of you know, go look at Jordan scored. 187 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: That was it. Then he developed into a greater teammate. 188 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: I'm rambling, but I think we're sometimes a little unfair 189 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: because we look at these iconic prodigies and we're like, oh, 190 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: this game's not complete. Of course, who's complete at twenty two. 191 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: I think you're hitting a something that's honestly one of 192 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 2: my biggest long held basketball beliefs. I've actually referred to 193 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: this over the years as scar tissue. When you're a 194 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: competitor and you lose, and you know it's because you 195 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: fucked up, because you did something like a specific play 196 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: here there, it eats at you. It literally eats at you. 197 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: And I'm a big believer that it requires a certain 198 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: number of failures in order to properly drive and refine 199 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: those mistakes out of your game. I mean, Colin like 200 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns is a perfect example of this. I 201 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: went back when I was doing my player rankings and 202 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 2: I rewatched the Pacers Knick series last year over the summer. 203 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: Kat was one of the biggest reasons they lost. He 204 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: was he kept doing this thing where like he would 205 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: crash the offensive glass off the top of the key, 206 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: which is a huge basketball no no because it messes 207 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 2: up your transition defense balance. And the Pacers were just 208 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: running it down their throats for layups and dunks like 209 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: Siakam transition dunk, transition layup. Kat was so mistake prone 210 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 2: for so long that the talking point fairly was like 211 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: can you win with this guy? Because mistakes get you 212 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: beat I mean, hell, the Spurs are a perfect example. 213 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 2: Two of these games. Both of these games they could 214 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: have won if not for mistakes throwing the ball away 215 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 2: and Fox in Game one just fouls McHale bridges at 216 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: the elbow in a two point game in crunch time. Like, 217 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: mistakes win or lose you basketball games. And it's so 218 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: interesting to see, like we can talk about the Knicks 219 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: and there's all these different things that they're doing better, 220 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: and Mike Brown deserves all the credit, and there's crazy 221 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: numbers coming from how just differently they're playing. But a 222 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 2: big part of it is kat is just not making 223 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: anywhere near as many mistakes as he used to make 224 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 2: because he lost, like the Knicks lost year after year 225 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: to build to this moment. You don't think these guys 226 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: have an extra amount of value on every possession. You 227 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: don't think they still are haunted by Tyrese Halliburton beating 228 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: them in Game one in Madison Square Guarden last year 229 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: when they blew that lead, Like the pain of loss 230 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: builds scar tissue and builds better basketball players, And it 231 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: would have been highly unusual for a team this young 232 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: like San Antonio to win before going through that kind 233 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: of stuff. It would have been a testament to how 234 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 2: incredibly talented they are. But you know, for all to 235 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 2: talk about the same the Spurs like, are they too young? 236 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: This is what a young team losing looks like. Silly 237 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 2: mistakes at the end of a game. Bad foul here, 238 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 2: bad turnover there. They had two open floor turnovers down 239 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: the stretch where they just threw the ball away and 240 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: gave up buckets going the other way. Yeah, the Spurs 241 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 2: have lost these two games in large part there's been 242 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: other dynamics, but they could have one if they would 243 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 2: have just not made mistakes. And so they're early in 244 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: that phase and they still have a lot of that 245 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: kind of development to go through. 246 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: No team's ever lost their first two at home and 247 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,599 Speaker 1: won the finals. The Blazers in seventy seven lost the 248 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: first two, they were on the road, they came back. 249 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: They were also very very young, and a few teams 250 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: have done that. So it's likely we'll have eight champions 251 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: in eight years. And I was saying, I think Friday 252 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: on the air with Rachel Nichols, that you know, there's 253 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: been dynasties. It started with the Celtics dynasty. We've had 254 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: Laker dynasty, Spurs, Heatles got to four straight one two 255 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: pretty darn flows, Golden State, Katie. We've had dynasties. We 256 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: are now in what I would call the situationally excellent phase. 257 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,119 Speaker 1: A prime example of that one of the eight champions, 258 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: Golden State, they were a third seed that year. They 259 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: were kind of small and they felt bold and then 260 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: they got some breaks. Jamal Murray was hurt for Denver 261 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: and John Morant was hurt, and they just kind of 262 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: got and teams like Memphis weren't quite mature enough, and 263 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: they kind of The West was kind of a little 264 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: hit and miss. They snuck through. They go play the 265 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: Celtics and they look over their skis for the first 266 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: two games, and then they go back to Boston play 267 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: the game of the series. Andrew Wiggins becomes how about 268 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: this reliable? And it was like, oh wow, they won? 269 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: And I never at that time that year, I never 270 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: felt they were the best team ever. They were situationally excellent. 271 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: And I do think that's to your point what the 272 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: Knicks are is that all these Denver I thought was 273 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: going to be more than situationally excellent. But then again, 274 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: you lose a guy off the bench, you lose it, 275 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, I forget them a KCP Peyton wats all 276 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like, oh god, that guy was 277 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: actually like sixteen great minutes. You lose a lot of 278 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: the guys on the margins. You look up and you're like, man, 279 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: we're very Yokic dependent. And Jamal Murray has a couple 280 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: of bad games, gets dinged out plays at eighty percent 281 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, you're not great anymore. And I 282 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: don't think the Knicks are great. I think they're to me, 283 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: the last eight years are situationally excellent teams. Lightning in 284 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: a bottle, and that's okay, this is what I think 285 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: they are. Somebody's gonna leave next year, somebody will get hurt, 286 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, like like you know, this is just the 287 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: way the and this is what Adam Silver wanted. But 288 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: I don't think this is a criticism of the Knicks. 289 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: They've got the scar tissue, they got a lot of momentum, 290 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: they tweaked the offense, and san Antonio a little bit 291 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: of a break. San Antonio beats okay, see, and they 292 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: get this historicly young team that feels a little over 293 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: their skis late in the games. That's how I view 294 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: the Knicks. 295 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's I think this is a 296 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: completely valid talking point because they won fifty three games Colin, Like, 297 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: I mean, like there were There wasn't a single time 298 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 2: this year where you watch the Knicks and you're like 299 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: they're among the very best teams in the league. Not 300 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: a single time, Like that's just the reality they this 301 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: This is a firmly a last thirteen games stretch. This 302 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: last thirteen games has been and it's been and it's 303 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: been magical, and like some of these numbers Colin have 304 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: been insane. I have to share these. They've been getting 305 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 2: sixty five percent of their made field goals assisted in 306 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: the finals, so almost two thirds. When they lost to 307 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: the Pacers last year, that number is forty eight percent, 308 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: seventeen percent more of their their field goals are assisted 309 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: rather than unassisted. They've been the best jump shooting team 310 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: in the entire field. They're the only team in the 311 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: playoff shooting over forty percent on catch and shoot threes. 312 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: So like it's just it is this magic they're they're catching, 313 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 2: like a magic within the group with their ball movement, 314 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 2: spacing and just how much they're trusting each other. There's 315 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: a magic in the jump shooting like that, Like like 316 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: it or not, I do think the Knicks are a 317 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 2: very good jump shooting team. But there's also a variance 318 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: element there, Like sometimes a team just has to get hot. 319 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: I thought Denver in twenty twenty three was a great example, 320 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: like Yo Kitchen, Murray just didn't miss jump shots for 321 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 2: four rounds and it made them very really difficult to beat. Right, So, 322 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: like there's definitely some of that magic. And I think 323 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 2: this has been one of the most fascinating things about 324 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: this era, is like it's so much more about towing 325 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: that line and threading that needle for the championship path. 326 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: Like you certainly have to have a good enough team, 327 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: but you also have to have a versatile enough team, 328 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 2: and you also have to have a healthy enough team, 329 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: and then you also kind of have to catch some 330 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: matchup luck along the way, like avoiding a time that 331 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 2: gives you in trouble, and it's all these things kind 332 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 2: of tie together. Like even Oka see Okasee broke down physically. 333 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,239 Speaker 2: Part of why they lost is injuries, and they're one 334 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: of the youngest in the field. They're the youngest non 335 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: San Antonio team in the field and they physically broke down. 336 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: So like every one of these teams. Now, it's caused 337 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: me to reevaluate so many of the teams that lost, 338 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 2: Like should Denver just run it back? Are they closer 339 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: than you think? They just need they should move off. 340 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: I think they should move off Aaron Gordon to get younger. 341 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: I really do. 342 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: And if they want to do something like that, fine, 343 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 2: But my point is is like I think, like are 344 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: the Lakers closer than we thought if a healthy Luka 345 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 2: Doncic is out there and they make a decent upgrade 346 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: at the center position, Like the Knicks didn't look like 347 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: a championship team and suddenly they're this close and they're 348 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 2: probably gonna get it. And it's because they continuity. They 349 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 2: caught some fire. It's a little Pacers esque where they've 350 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 2: lost some series together and then it all kind of 351 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 2: came together this year. You have a singular player that 352 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: goes on a run like Karl Anthony Towns did this year, 353 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: Like it's caused me to realize that it really is 354 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 2: a combination of so many things more than just raw talent. 355 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: It's so much about versatility and health and getting some 356 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: luck in term of your playoff path. Like we all 357 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: knew that if the Knicks faced the Spurs in the finals, 358 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 2: it was a good matchup for them. That was their 359 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: path when the East hope, Like how the Spurs get there? 360 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 2: They did. Now they're two wins away, and it's just 361 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: it's it's it's kind of got to be a it's 362 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 2: got to be an indicator for a lot of these 363 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: teams that are right on that fringe. This summer to 364 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: be like, are we closer than we think? Should we 365 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: give this thing a go? The Knicks just won the title? 366 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: Why can't we. 367 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: All right? Today's show is brought to you by our 368 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: presenting sponsor, hard Rock Bet, Florida Sportsbook. 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I'm apparently wrong. 405 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: I called the Knicks a good team, not a very 406 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: good team. Is that I think one of the things, 407 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: and I think this is very healthy for sports, is 408 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: that maturity? Like the thing about the Knicks that really 409 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: jumps out to me. Three Villanova guys, a coach that's 410 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: willing to listen. You know, I remember years ago, remember 411 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: when Buster Douglas meat Mike Tyson. It was the best 412 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: fight easily. He was a forty to one underdog. His 413 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: mother had passed away, and it really it really sort 414 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: of he was so inspired for that fight. Karl Anthony 415 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: Town's mother passes away. He has been so inspired and 416 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: so focused. Like you think to yourself, wow, does that matter? Well, 417 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean I can speak for my so. I was 418 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: very close to my mother, and when my mother died, 419 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: I heard her voice. I mean I can remember being 420 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: in the car and I felt like I was talking 421 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: to my mom because I'd heard that voice. I was 422 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: closer to mom than dad. And they're like things happen 423 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: in sports. The Miracle on Ice, I mean I could 424 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: watch that once a week. We had no business. Forget 425 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: beating competing with the Russians. What makes sports great is 426 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: is teamwork, continuity, maturity. Sometimes we devalue it because we 427 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: live in a world of social media where people are 428 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: not only stars, they have five they have fifty eight 429 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: million IG followers. Stars have never been richer and bigger 430 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: and more close closely associated with movie stars, And we 431 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: really forget it's a lot of redemption projects, inspired athletes, 432 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: smart guys, hard workers. I mean I find the Knicks 433 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: incredibly easy to root for. I mean, you got the 434 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: Karl Anthony town story, you know the bruntson story. I 435 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: mean outside of his dad and Jalen, I mean, god, 436 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: he's like the best fourth quarter. I said the other day, 437 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: you can compare him to Luca, But unlike Luca, he 438 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: never misses starts Like the kid's incredible. So I think, 439 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: I think this is such a great story for basketball 440 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: that the Knicks are not star driven. I mean, I 441 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: think Brunson has a chance to be a Hall of 442 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: Famer Karl Anthony Towns. If he wins MVP. Will We'll 443 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: make the Hall of Fame. I mean Tony Kukochs did so. 444 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, like I've watched this and it may 445 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: be a sweep, but it just speaks well of basketball 446 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: and what really truly matters. The Spurs You're all built, 447 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: draft and developed. The Knicks are all we traded for 448 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys. This could be a complete tire 449 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: fire chemistry wise. They trade trade, trading, brought in guys 450 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: from everywhere, and yet it's like the closest team emotionally. 451 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: It's just speaks so well of the maturity of the team, 452 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: the draft and develop team. I understand being closed generationally. 453 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: This team comes from like eight different freeway exits. I 454 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: really like watching the next play. I think it's fun basketball. 455 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 2: No, it absolutely is. Did you happen to see that 456 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 2: quote from Mike Brown after the game when he was 457 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,239 Speaker 2: talking specifically about how fun this group has been, And 458 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: one of the things he said is he's like he 459 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: was like, the NBA is hard and it's not always 460 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: like this. When he said that, I thought to myself, 461 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 2: I was like, that is a guy who's like almost 462 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: shuddering internally, and all of the bad locker rooms he's 463 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: been in and like the environments where he was trying 464 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 2: to bring the raw raw and it just wasn't going anywhere, 465 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And he happens to be 466 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: with this group that's catching that fire. And I mean, 467 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 2: I talked to Knicks fans. It wasn't even always it's 468 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: perfect this season, let alone in previous stops. And it 469 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of that opening part of Bill 470 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: Simmons's basketball book when he talks about the secret, and 471 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 2: it's really what is the magic of sports, which is 472 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: this is so much more than just the sum of 473 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 2: your parts. This is so much more than what you 474 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: can just put on a spreadsheet. Sometimes a group of 475 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 2: guys can just catch magic and reach a level where 476 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 2: they are playing above and beyond what even they're individually 477 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: capable of and what they're capable of as a group. 478 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: And we've seen, i'd argue, as the game has changed, 479 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: like everyone's scoring numbers are down, Like if you look 480 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: at star scoring in this postseason, it's way down compared 481 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: to previous playoff runs. Like the days of a dude 482 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: like Lebron having eight forty point games, that just doesn't 483 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: happen anymore. In a playoff run because there's so many 484 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: double teams and so many aggressive coverages thrown, so it's 485 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: more important than ever to have that magic alchemy of 486 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 2: a group playing together. I think the Pacers last year 487 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 2: are another example of this and kind of just catching 488 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 2: that fire. Here's another stat just to kind of demonstrate 489 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: this idea. So I think a spot up situation is 490 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 2: just when someone throws a pass, two guys waiting on 491 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: the perimeter ready to score, so either catch and shoot, 492 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: catch and drive. They in the loss to Indiana averaged 493 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 2: nineteen of those per game nineteen possessions. This year so far, 494 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 2: they're averaging thirty three, almost double. That's how often they're 495 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: just popping the ball around there. You're seeing these beautiful 496 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: sequences where there's three four drives on the same possession 497 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 2: and the Spurs are running around like crazy and it's 498 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 2: just yet another wide open shot for somebody at the 499 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 2: tail end of the sequence. Like there is very much 500 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: something said. I use the word Cinderella on my show 501 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 2: last week, and I was like, that's not the right word. 502 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 2: It's not a Cinderella run. But there's something magical about it. 503 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 2: There's something magical about what the Knicks are doing. 504 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it is you know, you have these moments 505 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: in life like I remember when my daughter was born, 506 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: the oldest of my children, and I can remember being 507 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: in the hospital and tuallat in Oregon and I was 508 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: not I couldn't feel like my limbs like I was floating. 509 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I created this, I helped create this baby, 510 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: and I just remember eyes wide open. She was just 511 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: the cutest little baby. And I remember having this moment 512 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: where I was just like I got to sit down, 513 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: like I am this is way, I'm out of my 514 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: element here emotionally. And I haven't had a lot of these, 515 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: but I've had four or five or six times in 516 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: my life where I'm so happy or so sad that 517 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: it's like an out of body experience. And sports doesn't 518 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: quite have that. But there is something to be said 519 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: about you just love your teammates. You just it's I mean, 520 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: I've played I remember in college I had just the 521 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: cool I can name every guy I played on this 522 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: intermural football team, and they were just happened to be 523 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: all great guys. There were no douchebags. It was like 524 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: twelve great guys and we weren't the most talented team, 525 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: but we just thought people and it was just I 526 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: can remember being in it and thinking, this is the 527 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: closest I'm gonna get to like really like like hot, 528 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, college, because everybody was a pretty good athlete. 529 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: I was probably the worst athlete in the team, but 530 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: there were some really good athletes, and I can just 531 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: remember thinking, is this is It's better than school, It's 532 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: better than who I'm dating. It's just the best. And 533 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: I think it's really hard when you become rich and professional, 534 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: you have kids, you have a life. And this is 535 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: where Kat gets a lot of credit. He was always Jason. 536 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: He was always known as kind of a flaky player 537 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: with immense talent you couldn't depend on. He has literally 538 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: been the opposite. He has literally been the sturdiest, most dependable, 539 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: greatest teammate. And that's not a criticism. I mean his 540 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: rep was dumbfouls, streety, score, kind of goofy. Not the opposite, 541 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: and whatever inspired him, you could just you There was 542 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: a in Game two in the first half where the 543 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: Spurs were on a run and I'm watching the Knicks 544 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: just take it, just take body blows and then I 545 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: look up and they're like down one, and I'm like, 546 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: this series is over. You can't break this team. You can't. 547 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: They're just their resolve is it jumps through the television. 548 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: They just take your best shots. You're not knocking us 549 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: to the canvas. We're not going down. And I think 550 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: there's a spirit about it that you can be a casual. 551 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: It's so obvious watching the series. I think the series 552 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: is over. San Antonio could win Game three, I would 553 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: not feel differently. This wall of physicality, this intensity, it's 554 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: it's it is very Denver. It's just nobody's beating them. 555 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always hesitant to completely write off a team 556 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: like the Spurs because they're so young, Like this is 557 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: not like the Calves, where you know they're in game 558 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 2: four and you know all those dudes are just thinking 559 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: about their time share that they have, or they're they're 560 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 2: their airbnb that they got down in Cabo and right, 561 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: and they're they're in their thirties, they're looking forward to 562 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 2: the cocktail on the beach. I'm like all these kids 563 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 2: in San Antonio, like they'll probably be either playing video 564 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: games or playing basketball the day after the finals, Like 565 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: they're these kids. There's there's those those Spurs are going 566 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 2: to be playing one hundred miles an hour until the 567 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: very second that you beat them completely like that, so 568 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: there's a certain like lack of quit that you'll have there. 569 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 2: There was a little bit of an adjustment down the 570 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: stretch of that game. They stopped sending the kitchen and 571 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: the game, I mean the kind of it. They stopped 572 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 2: doubling brunts and so much, which kind of baited Brunson 573 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: into some bad shots down the stretch. They got it, 574 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 2: got out in transition a lot and really scored in 575 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 2: the open floor. Wenby started to get some things figured 576 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: out in that second half. You had twenty two points 577 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 2: in the second half, So like there, the Spurs are 578 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 2: not going to go down without a fight. It's really, 579 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 2: to me just a combination of you have to win 580 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 2: four out of five now with three of those in 581 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: that hllacious Madison Square Garden crowd, which is going to 582 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 2: be so difficult to win in front of, and then 583 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 2: everything about what makes the Knicks special because they just 584 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 2: are so resilient and there's nothing about them that screams quit. 585 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 2: Or like let's say the Spurs do win two in 586 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: a row and you have a game six back in 587 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: MSG like they're just not going to quit. Like the 588 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: Knicks are going to be ready for that, They're going 589 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 2: to be prepared mentally for that environment. And you know, 590 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: I do think that that's what makes this different than 591 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 2: any other social experience on Earth. Like I play a 592 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 2: lot of basketball post college. I still to this day 593 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 2: probably played too much considering how much my body hurts 594 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: all the time. But like when I was coaching high 595 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: school hoops in Tucson, which I did for four years 596 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: before I moved to Denver, it was by far the 597 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 2: most fun I had after playing, because when you're actually 598 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 2: in a locker room and you're actually with the same 599 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: dudes every day, and you're actually trying to pursue some 600 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 2: goal that's bigger than the individual, that's bigger than just 601 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: even that week. It's a six month goal. For some 602 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: of these guys, it's a multi year role and you're 603 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: working with them through many years of their development. Like 604 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: I just when I saw that quote from Mike Brown, 605 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 2: I was like that dude's experiencing like the absolute peak 606 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 2: of the sports experience, being with a special group of 607 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 2: guys that is experiencing that like magical alchemy when they 608 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 2: all come together like that. 609 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, no it is. And I know somebody listening would be, oh, Colin, 610 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: you guys aren't you know? Who do you guys think 611 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: you are? But there is something about being with guys. 612 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: It could be a camping trip. I've done on rafting 613 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: trips with guys, a Vegas trip. And there's a comedian 614 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: Brian Reagan who talks about golf. It's one of my 615 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: favorite bits everybody committee. He talks about golfing with a 616 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: buddy and he GOLs for four hours and he comes 617 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: home and his wife is like, Oh, how's his wife? 618 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: And reading I don't know, how are their kids? And 619 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: he's like, we didn't talk about it because you were 620 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: within four hours. You didn't talk about it. And he's like, 621 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: he got a new golf club. We talked about that. 622 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: And I always tell my wife and I'm like, I 623 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: don't talk about his family. Like when you're with a guy, 624 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: you're just having so much fun because you don't get 625 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: many opportunities like that to be with other guys. And 626 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: it's a foursome and you bring out a cigar and 627 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: you're telling funny jokes and there is that camaraderie and 628 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: these are really magical moments for guys and it's like, 629 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, we can be idiots like and and I 630 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: just I think that part of you know, and you 631 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: know how you know, people say toxic masculinity. Listen, guys 632 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: need an outlet, soda women, you know, soda kids Like 633 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: you can't overparent. Sometimes you give your kids ice cream, 634 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,719 Speaker 1: They're gonna run around for about an hour and then 635 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: just just have to make sure they don't hurt themselves. 636 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: Like it's okay. We all need a release. And when 637 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,239 Speaker 1: you get in these groups and these times, I mean 638 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: that you've seen Miracle on Ice multiple times. I watched 639 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: they just did about a year ago. There was a 640 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: new documentary on it which Miracles my favorite sports movie ever. 641 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: But they did a they brought them all back to 642 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: talk about it, and these guys got so emotional. I mean, 643 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: you're talking about this thing was in the eighties and 644 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: like you could just all of these guys went right 645 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: back to that three week period and you're like, man, 646 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: just there is something about connecting with guys in sports 647 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's just fricking awesome. And that's why New 648 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: York teams people say they're hard to root for. It's 649 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: like not this team not hard to root for. I 650 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: mean I didn't call it. I said Spurs in six 651 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 1: Basically they since February first have Wemby played fifteen minutes, 652 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: they won like thirteen and one against the East. Should 653 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: be noted the loss was to the Knicks. But what 654 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: was your prediction going into it? 655 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: So when we talked last week, I ended up switching 656 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 2: my pick the next morning after I finished watching all 657 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 2: the film. The one that pushed me over the edge 658 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 2: was there was a seventeen game stretch earlier this year 659 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 2: where the Spurs went sixteen and one. They won eleven 660 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 2: games in a row, and they won five games in 661 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 2: a row after it, and the one loss in there 662 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 2: was a butt kicking at the hand of the Knicks 663 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 2: in Madison Square Garden and it was during the phase 664 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 2: when the Spurs. The Spurs had everything going. They had 665 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 2: made the lineup change, they had moved Harrison Barnes to 666 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 2: the bench and put Julian Champagnie in with the starters, 667 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 2: and they just I watched the film. Frankly, it looked 668 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 2: just like these first two games for all the same reasons. 669 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 2: Kat kind of inverting their spacing. It's been funny this 670 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 2: is Actually I have one last crazy stat for you. 671 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 2: Oklahoma City in the last round against San Antonio field 672 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 2: goals made within five feet of the rim twelve per 673 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 2: game at fifty three percent, the Knicks nineteen per game 674 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 2: at sixty one percent. They have completely kind of inverted 675 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 2: the Spurs spacing and have just been able to score 676 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 2: with relatively ease around the basket. And it's just been 677 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 2: It's kind of just a beautiful example of how basketball 678 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 2: is just as much about matchups as it is about 679 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: anything else. The Spurs guards, they don't have the same 680 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 2: size advantages they did in the last round. Wemby like, 681 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: say what you want about Karl Anthony Towns, you couldn't 682 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 2: build a better player to deal with a Victor women 683 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: Yama mail bag question of my show the other day 684 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 2: where someone was like, like, do the Spurs need to 685 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 2: get this kind of player to counter Cat Karl Anthony 686 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 2: Towns or players like him? Like or players like him 687 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 2: who's like Cat? Like how many how many players in 688 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 2: the league are seven feet tall but like just cannot 689 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 2: leave him open three point shooters, but are also like 690 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 2: really good slashers, like like he gets that rip through 691 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 2: move and he's like a bull in a china shop, 692 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 2: get good luck getting out of the way, Like like, 693 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: he's incredibly fast, he's a very good passer, like Cat is. 694 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 2: Kind of it sounds ridiculous to say for a guy 695 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 2: who not many people think as a top fifteen player 696 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 2: in this league, but he's kind of a unicorn. He's 697 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 2: kind of a super super unique player. 698 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: Like best shooting, best perimeter shooting, big ever yeah. 699 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 2: Sterk yeah, and sterk and like and and you're you're 700 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 2: again like the other guys who you think of his 701 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,439 Speaker 2: stretch fives, it's like Chris tops porzingis, well, first of all, 702 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 2: you've never shot the ball as well as Cat, and 703 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 2: he couldn't drive anywhere near as well and was an 704 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 2: injury prone mess for most of his career. That's like, well, 705 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 2: chat Holmgrend. It's like, well, you can't shoot. Like there's 706 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 2: a lot of bigs that can shoot, but they can't shoot. 707 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 2: I had a high school coach that I coached with 708 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 2: who said, like, you're either a shooter or you're a maker. 709 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 2: There's a lot of shooters out there. Kat is a maker. 710 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 2: Kat is a maker. He's a guy that you cannot 711 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 2: leave open in those situations. It's very much a magic 712 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 2: in the bottle kind of thing. And we talked about 713 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 2: the versatility, like them having a Mitchell Robinson when they 714 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,480 Speaker 2: need a center, when they need like a real center, 715 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 2: they've got one. It's Mitchell Robinson. Oh, we need to 716 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: go with more shooting. Landry Shammitt is literally twenty three 717 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,840 Speaker 2: for his last thirty four from three going into like 718 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 2: the dude just does not miss shots. It's like you 719 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 2: need a Duce McBride always steps in and hits a 720 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 2: big shot here or there. There were stretches of last 721 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 2: the game. In Game two where Michale Bridges took over 722 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 2: the offense, they had a stretch with Brunson and Kat 723 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 2: off the floor that dominated the game to end the 724 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 2: third and to start the fourth quarter. Just like playing 725 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 2: great defense and mckel bridges and Duce McBride hitting shots, 726 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 2: they just kind of have all of that juice that 727 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 2: you need to shape shift into whatever specific series needs. 728 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 2: Because again, first round it was all the off ball stuff. 729 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 2: Second round it's like and b can't guard pick and roll, 730 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 2: We're spam and pick and roll. Third round it's like 731 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,879 Speaker 2: James Harden can't guard Brunson. We're spaming isolation the fourth round. 732 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 2: It's like, well, Karl Anthony Towns is pulling Wemby away 733 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 2: from the basket and we're getting everything like it just 734 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 2: is they have been able to shape shift into all 735 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 2: these different forms. I picked Nixon six. Frankly, I think 736 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,839 Speaker 2: a sweep is on the table. I think it's I 737 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 2: just think it's gonna be really difficult for that Spurs 738 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 2: team to win on the road. I'm gonna give the 739 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 2: Spurs one. I wouldn't be surprised then if they held 740 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 2: Serve at home in Game five and this thing ended 741 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 2: up going six anyway, But I would be stunned, frankly 742 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 2: if the Knicks lost the series. 743 00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: Before we go, Condolences to friends and family of Stacey King, 744 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: who passed away at fifty nine, the former Chicago bull 745 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: three ring forward, a broadcaster for the Bulls. One of 746 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: the sweetest guys. Whenever we called him on the herd, 747 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 1: he always found time for us. Fifty nine years old, 748 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: a really good broadcaster. I'd see him at Bulls games, 749 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: and the sweetest guy, funniest guy, great stories. And I 750 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: have a couple of friends here in Chicago that were 751 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 1: just I was texting with today. If you never met 752 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: Stacy King. It was your loss because he was just 753 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: a huge man and a huge personality, beloved in the community. 754 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: We just had him on not long ago on the Herd. 755 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: I just mean literally, sometimes you'll see something on the 756 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 1: internet and it can infuriate you, and then sometimes you 757 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 1: see something emotionally where it's a gut punch, and everybody 758 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: loved Stacy km so rest in peace. Did you ever 759 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: have a chance to meet him, I know you know 760 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: very well about his game Oklahoma. He was a great 761 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: all one of the great college players of all time. 762 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 2: I did not have the luxury to meet him, but 763 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 2: an absolute legend, and like you said, rest in peace. 764 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:18,400 Speaker 2: The vo