WEBVTT - Checking On Some Guys 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:08.080 Welcome to NFL Daily, where we love naming some dudes. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:09.119 I'm Greg Rosenthal. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.520 I'm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio with my 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:15.640 friend Jordan Rodrieg of The Athletic and yes, it's one 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.440 of your favorite episodes, Jordan, we're going to check. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:19.040 In on some guys. 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:20.680 Check in on some guys, which is a. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:24.320 Close cousin to name some dudes. Just naming some dudes. 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:25.520 I think that has to be. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:30.720 A future episode this offseason. We get a full studio, 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.320 maybe Colleen Patrick, whoever else in here. 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:34.400 Which should be great. 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.920 Steve should that would be good, and just we named 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:38.080 some dudes for forty minutes. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.920 Naming some dudes one of the favorite pastimes of the sport. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.280 But today we're checking in on some guys. One of 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:50.000 Jordan Rodrieg, executive producer Trademark's segment and it's the off season. 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.400 We just want to check in on some guys. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.440 And uh, elect every time you say it, it's great, 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:56.640 it really is. 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:00.400 And we're also celebrating that we're one hundred days away 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.240 from the start of the NFL season, and the NFL 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.760 celebrated today by getting back on the field and practicing 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:12.160 football twenty teams started their OTAs on Tuesday. Six more 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.600 the final six will start on Wednesday, so most of 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:20.440 the league is jamming the abbreviated OTA season into the 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:21.639 next three weeks or so. 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.880 Some may argue that now football is back. I argue 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:28.920 that football has never left, but it is so so back. 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.679 It does get you those feelings when people are putting 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.080 the first team defense on Twitter. 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:35.600 Yah, you know. 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:39.760 And also and also the very tightly edited shots of 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.560 the spiral pass somehow is not unclipped at all as 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:46.319 it travels through the air perfectly and lands gently in 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.480 the hands of the star receiver. Like I love this 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.040 time of year. Man, This is this is everything is. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:53.000 Everything is good, nothing is bad. 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:53.440 It is. 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.880 It is funny because the Colts, I think they had 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:58.840 they had one up. Maybe they had an earlier ots. 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.560 There were a few teams that were going and it's 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.800 like they have an Anthony Richardson nice pass, and then 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:06.600 just a little while later you see them post a 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:07.920 nice Daniel Jones pass. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.120 So it's just equality even in terms of it's. 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:12.399 A true quarterback battle right there. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:13.399 Greg the social media. 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:14.880 All right, we'll do a little bit of news and 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.520 then we'll check in on some guys and because yeah, 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.200 there's a little bit of news coming off of this 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:24.160 Memorial D weekend. Joey Bosa has a calf injury. He 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:28.520 is not expected to be ready until training camp, and 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:32.359 even then you have to wonder because it's a new injury. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.399 It happened while training Whether training camp is definitely a lock. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:42.040 Sean McDermott, their coach, said it was concerning and I 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:43.640 would agree with that this was a risk when they 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.880 signed Joey Bosa to a twelve million dollar contract. 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:46.320 Yeah. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.560 When I saw the headline come up, my immediate thought 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.679 was like, Okay, here we go again kind of thing. 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.720 Unfortunately for him, the injuries, they just keep coming up 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:59.160 regularly sometimes this time of year. Your second reaction after 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.040 here we go is does he not want to be 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.839 an OTAs? Is this less concerning than maybe it's being 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.320 made out to be kind of a thing. But for 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.600 Sean McDermott to come out and say, hey, I am 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.120 concerned about this, something to watch, definitely someone to check 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:13.360 in on. 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.160 Yeah, you you never know this time of year how 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:17.560 serious the injury is going to be. But when it 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:21.200 comes to Boso, when they made all this, yeah, talk about, Hey, 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.200 they've got a different training staff here in Buffalo, and 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.280 we've got some really great ideas on how to keep 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.720 him on the field, and he's such an important part 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.120 I think of what they want to do. They also 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.080 have these have to got some suspension, right, two players 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.560 that were suspended to start the year. I think it's 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:40.280 it's just disappointing and we'll see how that goes. James 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:45.720 Cook is also not at OTA's McDermott spoke about that 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:46.520 on Tuesday. 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.600 Yeah, we're staying in touch like you'd expect a player 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.400 and a coach to do. So you know, James will 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.480 be here when he's ready to be here, and and 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:58.520 you know, we move forward. 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.040 Do you know you and Sean mcdermom are almost wearing 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:02.080 the same outfit today? 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.000 Was that you have the same shirt on? 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:09.720 Just well, it's a controversial piece of apparel in my household. 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.320 My wife says, I cannot pull off the short sleeve hoodie. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:14.520 Look. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:16.360 Yeah, I walked in and I asked you when shoot 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:16.960 around was? 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:21.360 So, you know I got this at Uniclow. 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.560 I believe she said you need to be like a 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.680 six foot two like Japanese guy in his twenties to 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.280 pull this off. I feel like this is a popular 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:30.080 look over there, but. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:30.920 It's a football guy. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.080 Look, okay, I mean Sean's what I'm trying to be 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.440 wearing basically the same thing as you. I don't know 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:36.280 how you feel about that. 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.279 I feel totally fine with it. He got ranked twelfth 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:44.159 in our coaches list. Good guy, I guess James Cook. 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:46.960 He's not going to get any more money. So this 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:50.280 is kind of one of the more pointless holdouts. Not 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.800 really a holdout, these are these are voluntary workouts, but 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.719 he just wants to let them know he's he's not happy. 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:56.360 He's made that clear. I don't think he has any 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.440 chance to get another contract. It's just one of those things. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.159 One other item I wanted to mention though with Buffalo 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.600 was Matt Milana was gonna be one of the guys 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.239 I want to check out, But since we were talking 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.760 bills here, I kind of wanted to just mention that 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.600 he took like a big pay cut this year, and 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.760 I kind of combined him and Bosa in this group 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.840 of Yes, they've suddenly got way younger on defense over 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.600 the last couple of years, but these two guys specifically 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:24.480 are kind of boom or bust, guys that could make 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.760 or break their defense being great or just mediocre. Getting 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:33.039 the old Matt Milano back, which they must have doubts 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.200 about if they made him take a pay cup. Making 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.279 Matt Milano take a pay cut. It's dirty, dirty pool. 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:42.440 Yeah, he's been such a face of that defense and 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.120 a cornerstone player there, but obviously had some down some downs, 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:46.840 some down games. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.279 Certainly you're just coming off an injury, didn't he look. 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.760 Well, it's a respect maybe coming off quickly, a little 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:53.840 quickly off of an injury that maybe needed a little 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.160 bit more time as well. He's actually one of Pro 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:00.640 football focuses comeback player candidates of the Year to pose 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:02.640 one of those types of seasons. You know, we always 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.000 get this type of content out this time of year, 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:06.600 but I think in Matt Malona's case, there's a real 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:10.440 possibility he's not too far removed from the memory of 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.840 the glory days to at least capture some of that. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.719 And I think that basically this is probably a team 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:18.080 that said, hey, we're going to try to really make 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.880 a run this season. We as someone who means a 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.120 lot to our franchise, we'd like you with us. It's 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.680 only going to be at this number, right, that's this situation. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:27.520 Reeks of that to me. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.720 Right, he's older than Joey Bosa. That surprised me. He's 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:34.359 thirty years old. Milano and Bosa just two guys to 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:35.640 me where I think the Bills have done a good 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:40.080 job getting younger, but you still need top shelf defensive players, 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.040 not just a bunch of good players. We'll see if 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:43.800 they're on the field. You know who wasn't on the 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:48.920 field on Tuesday. No kirk Cousins at practice, shocking nobody. Yeah, 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.760 I guess it would be awkward. Plus, Michael Pennox is 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:56.200 doing the press conference. Yet I saw some practice footed 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.839 some of the people at the facility saying, you know, 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:00.960 not the most accurate out of Michael Pennocks. We're not 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.039 going to worry about it too much on May twenty seventh, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:04.719 but he is a guy who's accuracy kind of comes 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.359 and goes a little bit. But No, Kirk Cousins is 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:09.080 seating the floor to Michael Pennix. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.040 It's interesting. I have to I mean, they're at a 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.520 stalemate a little bit right now, Kirk Cousins and the Falcons, 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.160 and I have to wonder who blinks first in this scenario, 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:22.360 because you would like to have a quality backup potentially 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.120 if you're a starter that you've determined to be Michael Pennis, 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.200 you know, God forbid, gets injured or something happens, has 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.800 a setback down the season, just coming into his second 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.840 year in the NFL, pretty much a must win season 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.360 for a few people on that team and a few 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.080 people in the front office potentially even the coaching staff 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:42.160 as well. So I really feel like this is if 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.840 you're the Falcons front office, you almost can't blink first. 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:46.680 But I don't know what you do if you're Kirk, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.680 how do you force any more leverage out of this situation? 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.520 I think it's like a soft version of the Derek 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.040 Carr situation with the Saints, that both sides are just like, 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.960 let's just stay apart and it'll naturally solve itself. 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:00.320 And I don't know how that is. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.040 Whether you know there was a report that you know 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.440 he's kind of the backup playing in Pittsburgh. Potentially, if 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:09.000 Aaron Rodgers didn't show up at Aaron Rodgers, by all accounts, 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.360 is showing up, it's probably going to be an injury 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.800 somewhere else where he ends up landing or he finds 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.200 that there's nothing out there and he shows up to 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:21.040 training camp when it is mandatory and and just is 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:22.200 the backup for Michael Pennox. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.080 But I do not buy that that's going to happen. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:28.320 Mike McCartney, his agent is probably like texting Tim Younger, 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.560 Derek Carr's agent, Hey man, you want to send over 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:33.840 email me that checklist that you guys went through to 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.680 have the little retirement, and don't nobody tell anyone that 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.079 we might actually be coming back. 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.079 You know, Kirk Kirk wants to play. 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:43.160 He wants to play. 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:44.760 That's that's why I thought. 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.960 The funniest outcome would be, not that I would wish 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:49.760 this on anything, but if Tyler Shuck like suffered another 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.520 one of those injuries and was out for a little 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.480 bit of the off season, them trading him Kirk to the. 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:59.000 Saint k also like what a fit with Kellen Moore. Honestly, 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.040 like some of them would. It wouldn't passing like like 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.680 I said, with Tyler Shuck they like I could. I 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:05.719 could totally see it. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.800 And you mentioned the front office, you know, potentially having 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:09.439 jobs online. 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.400 Yes, ranked all they gotta do is podcast. All they 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:12.680 got to. 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.480 Do is show them the ranking that Terry Fonteno got 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:20.719 on Patrick Claybahn and ies very controversial GM rankings from the. 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:22.120 Other other day. Check that out. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.560 Kyle Pitts was also among the people not at OTAs. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.080 I'm not going to sweat it when it's first day. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.880 Sometimes we find out it just has a family thing 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.880 or whatever, it doesn't matter. But if if we find 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.720 out that it has something to do with this contract, 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.640 then then we'll let you know. The Bengals don't have 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:39.160 their first round pick at practice. Shamar Stewart is not 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.800 practicing with the Bengals because of contract language, and Bengals 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.320 fans always think we're picking on them, and then stuff 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:46.160 like this happens. 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.280 I mean, come on, I read Pro. 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:53.600 Football Talks explanation of the language in the contract that 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:59.000 the Bengals are changing that Shamar Stewart's agent doesn't want 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.719 to sign because it's different than the language that had 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.600 been in all previous Bengals contracts. But honestly, even after 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:07.600 reading the article, I don't totally understand it. So I'm 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.600 not going to pretend that I like support or deny, 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.320 but it's just like, of course, this is a Bengals story, 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.360 you know what I mean, Yeah, there is something to it. 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.640 If this is going to come up for any one 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:21.080 team during the off season and during OTAs specifically as 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.840 it pertains to the language of a contract or a 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.760 financial situation or some small detail that ends up being 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.160 really really important in the minds of the player and 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.880 the agent, it's gonna be the Cincinnati Bengals. I think 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:34.640 we know that by now, we have precedent. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.520 It could become a real thing because it's one where 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.920 like one of the sides has to bend or Shamar 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.440 Stewart's going to miss a lot of the off season, 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.440 and if anything, it's given me, you know, nice nostalgia. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.720 Back in my Rota World days Pro Football Talk by Brick, 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:52.120 a lot of our off season was spent on, unfortunately 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:57.000 rookie holdouts and whatnot, and just like the drama behind that, 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:58.600 and there was more in training camp. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:10:59.920 Usually they would show up to the OTA. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:01.800 This is a little odd that he's just like not 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.240 even showing up to OTA's but he's not under contract. 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.360 And I like for the most part that rookie contracts 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.960 are no longer actual news. We try to make into 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:11.920 news like I'm inside it, but it's really not like 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.440 Mason Graham, for instance, the number five pick of the draft. 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.520 Are you aware that he's signed his contract today? 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:16.839 I am a. 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.360 We really don't sign his contract today. I think that 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:24.400 a lot of times it's used to engagement farm specifically, 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:27.480 like in the case of Shador Sanders, signing the same 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:31.920 rookie contract that every other draft pick of his status 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.120 in the draft has signed made major news because of 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.120 course he's going to sign the contract, he's going to 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.440 probably be playing quarterback on the field in significant games 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:40.920 for them. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:41.719 At some point. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:45.199 Agree, And it also might be the insiders and whoever's 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.160 reporting on of the team. Reporters do it as well 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.760 to beat report, just like hey, I'm here. I know 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.319 it's a full time job all year round. I'm doing 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.200 something kind of like an Instagram post essentially, just like, Hey, 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.080 remember me, I existed, here's my purpose for being. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:00.360 I've done that. 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:01.120 I recently did that. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.000 Especially, It's totally fine. 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:07.760 Sean Murphy Bunting is a Arizona Cardinals quarterback part of 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.520 the search Bar defense from a year ago, as named 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.439 by Patrick Claybonn, who people might be familiar with because 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.040 he came from Tampa and had some good moments there. 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:22.319 He's unfortunately out for the season with a non football injury, 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.880 and I thought about, does this even belong in the news, 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.000 And then I looked. He was guaranteed seven point six 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:32.080 million dollars in base salary this year. That was second 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.959 on the Arizona Cardinals. He was the second highest paid 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.400 in terms of total guaranteed money. He was third behind 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.599 Justin Jones, which is it's a weird two three. That 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:43.960 just shows how under the radar this team is in general. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.640 But a guy who's played a lot and wasn't even 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:50.840 locked in to necessarily start because their secondary is so deep, 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.080 maybe the deepest part of their team, but it will 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:53.880 test their depth. 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.079 Yeah, and it turns out, you know, good value potentially, 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.320 and that will Johnson pick up because they got him 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.520 a little bit later and there's questions and concerns about 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.440 some lingering injury with him. But if it turns out 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.680 that they need him earlier than they expected and he's 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.640 cleared medically to go, that is a lucky draw because 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.199 you can't possibly predict obviously injuries in a well. 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:16.360 I wish I should have informed I should have mentioned 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.480 this as part of the news setup. 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:20.520 So that is on me. 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:25.240 But ESPN's josh Winfuss I believe he said that the 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.400 Cardinals actually didn't know about this. It happened, I believe 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:30.480 in the off season, but they knew about it before 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.240 the draft. They did take two cornerbacks in the draft. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.000 I don't know if that informed. I think Will Johnson 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:37.360 would have been got lucky. Good planning, good planning they 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:38.120 that they took. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.160 Look at the Cardinals. Good planning by the Cardinals. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:40.720 But who knows. 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.479 They might you know, if Will Johnson wasn't on the board, 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.680 they might have felt pretty good about their depth anyways, 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.079 because yeah, we talked about the Cardinals defense a lot, 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.400 and this just gives us a little chance to do so. 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.680 Max Melton is a guy they took in the second 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.000 round last year that had a good rookie season for 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.960 a second round pick. Certainly, Garrett Williams is their nickelback 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.240 and he was probably boxing out Sean Murphy bunting from 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.600 snaps on this roster because he had play well. So 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.880 it probably was gonna come down to Will Johnson and 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.400 Murphy button on the outside or kind of rotating. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.480 Yeah, and with uh he likes to Jonathan Gannon likes, 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:16.719 and Nikralis like to rotate their coverage shells. They like 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.240 to do a lot of different types of things with 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:22.400 their looks, especially their defensive backfield and their pressure front. 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.200 So I feel like that's you're just more limited in 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.400 that regard. But that's what again, why you go a 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.400 little bit heavier in the draft at a position that 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.360 a lot of people, including us, didn't really expect them 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.480 to although we did expect them to just in the 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.160 first round and not later. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.440 Right Well, and Will Johnson, Yeah, one of the key 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.640 I think rookies to track in the league now and 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.680 this just highlights it. Oh, we've taken a lot of 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.400 time here. I want to check in on some guys. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:50.479 You have a certain. 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.560 Way of saying it, checking on some guys. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.560 Okay, yeah, checking on some guys. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:59.800 And yeah, this is a Jordan Rodriege executive produced trademark moment. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.840 And you've had a lot of hits lately, you know, 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:08.000 you've had some bangers who who is uh, I'm trying 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.240 to think of like the big executive producer that signed 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.800 like one hundred million dollar contract with Netflix. 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:15.520 The woman I'm totally. 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:16.680 Oh, Phoebe waller Bridge. 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.480 Sure with Amazon, this is your Phoebe waller Bridge, although 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:23.960 she didn't actually yeah, she didn't actually create any shows, 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:25.720 but but just a couple of weeks ago, I did 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:27.840 want to give you credit for coming up with would 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:30.640 you Rather, or at least making that into a segment, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.880 which was a huge hit. So you get us go 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.480 and explain, you know, the segments, say it the right way, 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:36.720 and then and give us a player. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.200 Check it on some guys is really all it is. 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.120 We'll check it on some guys around the league. Is 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.040 OTA start. We want to make sure we're not looking 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.680 too far ahead. This is just truly within the context 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.920 of checking on some guys we're interested in during OTAs 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:54.280 and why they might be relevant to specifically the spring period. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:56.240 Okay, now you have to try. 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:57.720 To say now you're gonna you're gonna start. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.000 Try to say it like I said it. 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.440 Check it in some guys, checking on some guys. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:05.320 It's like almost so close. This is like I'm wearing 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.160 the Sean McDermott version. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.320 Of the cutoff hoodie. You're wearing the Greg. 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.800 Versus Shonda Rhymes and Shonda shondaaland is what like everything 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.480 I haven't heard anything that you were saying over the 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:17.000 last night. 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:24.200 They could ever attain Shonda Rhyme's elites. She is incredible. Also, 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:25.320 the Residence was a good show. 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:26.320 It is a bad job by me. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.920 You got you gotta be listening at all moments and 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:31.400 if you can't, if you can't come up with them, 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:32.640 you can't come up with name. I want you to 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:33.320 start the segment. 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.760 Let's go starting off checking on some guys I'd like 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.840 to check on Caleb Williams. Bears obviously already started OTAs, 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:43.920 but he still hasn't been made available to the media, 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:47.320 which is sort of normal. Coaches often talk first quarterbacks 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.400 and other players will talk the next week, just depends 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.400 on how the team wants to structure things out. 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.320 But it is notable within the context of that. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:57.440 Seth Wickersham excerpt from his book that nobody was teaching 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:01.120 Caleb Williams how to watch film last year. That's actually 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:03.480 the part that stuck out the most to me, not 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.639 necessarily the fact that himself and his dad were at 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:08.639 first like super wary to the point of trying to 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.320 get out of being drafted by the Bears. Where the 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.840 quarterback goes to die if I'm remembering that quote correctly. 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.080 What was more notable to me was the film, the 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.960 lack of film study, the lack of process, the lack 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.000 of teaching, of real teaching progression. I would like to know, 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.040 as I check in on Caleb Williams, and this is 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:30.080 my request of the Bears reporters, I'd like to specifically 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.680 know what that looks like this year. Yeah, you're Ben Johnson, 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.159 tell me what that actually looks like. It's not just 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.000 an indictment on last year's coaching staff. It's an indictment 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.840 on Southern California, on Lincoln Riley and that coaching staff. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.359 If he at that point is very clearly saying like 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.680 I don't know what the process of doing this at 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.760 this level is. That's an indictment on everybody. And I'd 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.720 like to really know what getting that infrastructure in place 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:57.720 looks like. It's such a significant and crucial element of 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.720 a quarterback's development, and I'd like to know the parts 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.879 a whole of how that piece of it slots in 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:04.320 with the overall development as well. 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.320