Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kate Berlance, I'm Jacqueline Novak, And.
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Speaker 1: Speaking retinal two hundred dollars, the Paul Bearer shuffle. Hello, Hey,
Speaker 1: it's me. I say anything different about me today?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so the listener can't see, of course, But Jacqueline,
Speaker 2: just before we started recording, showed me that she has
Speaker 2: a zip, which for her is unheard of. So it's
Speaker 2: a remarkable day for you to actually have a blemish,
Speaker 2: a visible blemish.
Speaker 1: Only unheard of, you know, in the lore of the podcast.
Speaker 1: I feel right, it's.
Speaker 2: It's well, I've been looking at your face for years
Speaker 2: and I've never seen a blemish.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm covering rose Sha, of course, I think, although
Speaker 1: that remains, but I don't. I've never minded my rosie.
Speaker 1: I've never reminded it.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of controversy in the Rosetia community. I
Speaker 2: feel like people ascribe rosesha like I had. Dermatologists recently
Speaker 2: be like.
Speaker 1: Oh, whether it's real or not? Right?
Speaker 2: Well, no, no, no, she was like, she was like,
Speaker 2: maybe that's rose siha. And I'm like, well would you
Speaker 2: know you know?
Speaker 1: Well, well, I had a derm say it's acne, and
Speaker 1: I don't mean saying what you have in your skin,
Speaker 1: Jaqueline is acne. I'm him going Rose SHA's acne?
Speaker 2: Oh wow wow.
Speaker 1: And then yesterday I was reading, well, I was reading that,
Speaker 1: so a couple of things. One, well, yesterday I was
Speaker 1: googling retinal, purge, retnall, breakout, whatever, because I finally tried
Speaker 1: my tretonoen.
Speaker 2: Okay, see, I'm so glad we're getting into this because
Speaker 2: I literally fear I don't know about retinal. I don't
Speaker 2: know about it. I feel left out. I remember using
Speaker 2: it a little bit in my like twenties, like my
Speaker 2: mother had some and I and I was like, please
Speaker 2: give it to me until she gave me some. But
Speaker 2: then I stopped and I never returned. And now I'm
Speaker 2: feeling the anxiety. Have I destroyed my life by not
Speaker 2: using retinal for the last you know, six years?
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so, I think. Sorry, I'm just
Speaker 1: noticing a little redness. So I'm grabbing what was that
Speaker 1: concealed eyeshadow? It's actually eyeshadow primary. You know this old
Speaker 1: two faced Uh, it's one of these babies, and it's oh,
Speaker 1: what is this two faced shadow insurance or twenty four
Speaker 1: plus hour anti crease? I keep your joy, keeping your
Speaker 1: eyes shadow on. I have to get this lipstick off immediately.
Speaker 2: You know why why?
Speaker 1: It's it's the exact color that makes my oh so
Speaker 1: pearly white teeth have a hint of another color to them.
Speaker 2: Teeth whitening actually something we've never discussed, and I have curiosity.
Speaker 2: I did cress white strips as like a thirteen year old, yeah,
Speaker 2: for like two days and then gave up. But now,
Speaker 2: did you have pain? I think I did experience some sensitivity,
Speaker 2: but I don't recall.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was flat on my back screaming.
Speaker 1: I was like literally, and you know, I'm not like that,
Speaker 1: Like I'm like very like stoic, you know, or or
Speaker 1: just yeah, like for beauty. Yeah, like I was. I
Speaker 1: was trying this laser thing on my face. This nera
Speaker 1: was and I was trying, and I'm like, and to me,
Speaker 1: it feels like you know what what laser feels like,
Speaker 1: which is, to me, feels like a burning needle, like
Speaker 1: a needle that's lit on fire, piercing. Now, while in
Speaker 1: one sense that sounds horrifying, might be better than a
Speaker 1: cold needle, you know, that might actually make super sensation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I I turned to Chris once again, always turning
Speaker 1: to him, and I was like, you could never withstand
Speaker 1: what I was stand for beauty or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: of course, I mean it's like it's the unspoken thing,
Speaker 1: like I mean, we all know, like but literally like drag,
Speaker 1: you know, an exfoliant across the average you know, heteroman's face.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just talking, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course they don't know what we do. So
Speaker 2: the exhausted femme is a favorite archetype of mine and
Speaker 2: one that I lean into at every chance.
Speaker 1: That's genius, the exhausted femme.
Speaker 2: You're damn right, I'm tired, Honey, You're damn right, I'm tired.
Speaker 1: You're right, I'm tired. Well, you know what I've I'm
Speaker 1: pretty interested in people who and we'll get to the retinal,
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm pretty interested and compelled by people who
Speaker 1: truly put on a face oh yeah, and that's their
Speaker 1: face to the world and the concealer with the and
Speaker 1: I'm actually impressed by it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, what's the It's the classic trope, right if
Speaker 2: the woman who goes to sleep with the full face
Speaker 2: of makeup lest there be an emergency in the night
Speaker 2: and the firemen show up and she's, you know, unpresentable.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, I've gone the other route. I'm like this idea
Speaker 1: of stained underwear, which you know and you know, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't want to wear stained underwear. What if you
Speaker 1: get in a car accident. It's like, well, first of all,
Speaker 1: glad that that's what you'll be thinking about, mother, And
Speaker 1: second of all, I mean my mother never said that explicitly, No,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Where was I also like, what movie is that in?
Speaker 2: That's so familiar?
Speaker 1: I know it's I think it's I think it's it's
Speaker 1: brilliant fifties concern.
Speaker 2: And then it's a it's a brilliant idea. It's it's
Speaker 2: a it's a brilliant horror distilled to something that's very
Speaker 2: tangible and real. It's of course, you know, and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to get into ways of seeing in John Berger.
Speaker 2: We all know it, right, Yeah, but a line was
Speaker 2: haunted me from that text was you know, a woman,
Speaker 2: what is it like even at her father's funeral she
Speaker 2: is aware of being watched or whatever. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't even you can't even that image of like
Speaker 2: a woman weeping over her father or whoever's grave and
Speaker 2: having to have like a cute dress on is So.
Speaker 1: Do you have a lot of experience weeping at funerals?
Speaker 2: And I like, do you have you loved this question?
Speaker 2: I don't have a lot, lucky me, but I've I
Speaker 2: recall I've had a couple of weeps. Yeah, how about you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's been some some sort of tragic
Speaker 1: deaths in the family that you know, have that quality
Speaker 1: at the funeral that is not just.
Speaker 2: No, it's not just the morning.
Speaker 1: It's the life well lived. You know, you know death
Speaker 1: is always said, but and but there, you know, it
Speaker 1: can all be very six feet underish to kind of
Speaker 1: like to eat after a funeral. The way that feels
Speaker 1: to me is so ecstatic, you know what, Like, well,
Speaker 1: there's two versions. There's one which is they're like I
Speaker 1: want to go get a burger okay? Or is that
Speaker 1: which I love? And then like entering a diner or
Speaker 1: something and just under the context of of death, then
Speaker 1: being in a diner and ordering your favorite stuff whatever.
Speaker 1: Mm God, that's good. And then the other is sort
Speaker 1: of this disturbing but oddly comforting like bagels at the
Speaker 1: synagogue thing. I've experienced a couple of times, the thing that, yeah,
Speaker 1: have you ever been a pallbearer?
Speaker 2: No, but my eyes are widening because my I once
Speaker 2: watched my father be a pallbearer And then I you know,
Speaker 2: kind of the celebrity of that, like, well, my dad
Speaker 2: was a pallbear you know, did your dad? Well?
Speaker 1: The celebrity at the funerals one of my absolute favorite topics. Okay,
Speaker 1: because the closer you are to the death, the bigger
Speaker 1: your celebristatus.
Speaker 2: Your day is your special day.
Speaker 1: Yes, and like fighting, you know, of course, the I
Speaker 1: mean I remember, yeah, like elbowing. I remember like elbowing
Speaker 1: past people like kind of like, you know, I'm the cousin,
Speaker 1: I'm the granddaughter, right, I mean status fucking respect, Yeah,
Speaker 1: grief based status is major. And then oh, my god,
Speaker 1: I've been in Paul Barr a couple of times, and oh,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like one of these things in life
Speaker 1: where I'm like, how is this, Like how is this
Speaker 1: always happening? Because I felt like we're gonna drop this thing.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, this is not like me and
Speaker 1: my cousin's holding the coffin, which is like what it's
Speaker 1: been a couple.
Speaker 2: Times, and like we're not strong people who can't give
Speaker 2: it to the kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's given to the kids. And I remember specifically,
Speaker 1: I think it was I think it was my grandfather's funeral.
Speaker 1: But we were like, you know, holding the coffin and
Speaker 1: having to bring it right over the hole in the ground,
Speaker 1: and like there were these planks, these wooden planks that
Speaker 1: were kind of there along the side of it. To
Speaker 1: I don't know, so that that's what you walk on,
Speaker 1: these planks so you're not on loose ground or something
Speaker 1: like you're gonna fall in. And it was like rattling
Speaker 1: planks as we're all carrying something way too heavy for us.
Speaker 1: And I always think of it in my mind, like
Speaker 1: I have a name for it's a pall bearer shuffle. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's very specific.
Speaker 3: So like to me, it's like I hold something, I'll
Speaker 3: hold something like uncomfortably like too big, Okay, cause it's.
Speaker 2: It's like you have to to be clear. It's like swift,
Speaker 2: rapid movements of the feet. So it's not the covers
Speaker 2: as much gund as possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, rabbit shuffling and like we've seen in you know,
Speaker 1: I always like a movie where a corpse rolls out
Speaker 1: of a coffin. That's like like I'm just like yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'm in yeah, and it's yeah, it's just it
Speaker 1: felt really, It's just I don't think there should be
Speaker 1: such high risk, should we really be?
Speaker 2: No, no, no that that and by the way, and then
Speaker 2: you're potentially putting imagine the weight no pun intended of
Speaker 2: that on somebody like I dropped the body. I mean
Speaker 2: it's just the horror of that seems like a huge risk.
Speaker 1: Are you aware of you know, so Jews Jewish, there's
Speaker 1: an idea that the coffin should be plain simple wood
Speaker 1: body cedar. Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not cedar and look at cedar cedars so fragrant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, theedar wi almost yeah, like keep them all?
Speaker 2: How do you soy? Yeaha hater? Yeah, what's your experience
Speaker 2: with open casket?
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing as so as a Jew, same
Speaker 1: thing you don't really get the open casket generally.
Speaker 2: Thank God.
Speaker 1: And so the only time you've experienced open casket are
Speaker 1: other people's relatives. And I mean open casket is like
Speaker 1: wild a psychedelic.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've only seen it once, but I was
Speaker 2: a child and I remember going with my parents to
Speaker 2: this funeral and then there was the open casket and
Speaker 2: there was the person and it was like, yeah, just psychedelic, unimaginable,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to run. And of course what I
Speaker 2: wanted to do is just run and stare. I wanted
Speaker 2: to stay. I wanted to be alone in a room
Speaker 2: with the casket ideally to be able to just freely stare.
Speaker 1: But you can't have to not have to perform like.
Speaker 2: What, yeah, I know they're dead and that that's them,
Speaker 2: Like what could possibly be the problem?
Speaker 1: There is no I mean to me, there's no greater
Speaker 1: intimacy because then to see someone's dead body, right.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm imagining that you like you, I
Speaker 2: would allow you to see my dead body. That is
Speaker 2: the ultimate vulnerability.
Speaker 1: My cousin Rachel once said, like, because at one of
Speaker 1: our family member's funerals, like you know, we were taking
Speaker 1: turns throwing dirt on the grave, but but actually like
Speaker 1: actually filling in the hole completely, like shoveling it right,
Speaker 1: because that's like I don't know again, I think that's
Speaker 1: part of the Jewish thing, is like cool, there's like
Speaker 1: the gesture version, like everyone's supposed to throw some dirt
Speaker 1: on actual there's the actual and I like really took
Speaker 1: actually no, I think yeah, I like like really took
Speaker 1: to it and found it like like I'm like it
Speaker 1: was six feet under yeah, like influenced, but I was
Speaker 1: like like, yeah, like this sectually feels like sort of
Speaker 1: sacred and sort of beautiful. I agree completely, And even
Speaker 1: though it's I remember my grandfather, non Jew, talking about
Speaker 1: experiencing that at the Jewish funerals and being like god,
Speaker 1: you know, like so horrifying, like dirt hitting the casket,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I love it. And so I
Speaker 1: don't know. I took something and was like really getting
Speaker 1: into it, and I was like working. I was like
Speaker 1: shoveling intensely, like like like I'm gonna finish it up
Speaker 1: with the boys because there is filling crass about like well,
Speaker 1: let's walkup, like let's head back to blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: these guys will finish filling it.
Speaker 2: In the other women kind of with their umbrellas arms linked,
Speaker 2: kind of walk away towards the buffet and the men
Speaker 2: are left.
Speaker 1: Yeah, umbrellas and arms linked is genius. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: to finish the job. Like it's very weird to walk away.
Speaker 1: But anyways, and my cousin Rachel was like, like saw
Speaker 1: it and was like, I want you to do that
Speaker 1: for me one day or is this something you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Oh imagine me Like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I was listening to Carolyn Mace this morning. Carolyn Mace,
Speaker 1: as we all know, mysass, is one of my absolute favorites.
Speaker 2: Earlier today jack Can texted me I woke up listening
Speaker 2: to Mace and I didn't know what she meant who
Speaker 2: And then you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, please, I'm absolutely
Speaker 2: clear because I don't have experience with her.
Speaker 1: And she was just talking about, you know, our absolute
Speaker 1: denial of death and and our refusal.
Speaker 2: To well, the West failed us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think of you know, acknowledged death and and
Speaker 1: that we're just you know, trying to live longer and longer,
Speaker 1: but but trying to look just I forget what she
Speaker 1: got it. It's just like the absolute rudeness to our own bodies,
Speaker 1: like we asked them to endure, We like do all
Speaker 1: this ship to make them endure, and then like absolutely
Speaker 1: hate and disgrace the signs of their endurance. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's so rude.
Speaker 2: It's so rude.
Speaker 1: When like you know, and it's it's uh, it's not
Speaker 1: like the question of women and aging is not uh,
Speaker 1: is not like if you think you've covered it, you
Speaker 1: still have it. It's like endlessly it's not not fresh. No, no,
Speaker 1: like yeah, we know women, Oh, after a certain age,
Speaker 1: they're tossed out like trash, like like there's more to
Speaker 1: be said. M we just have to develop a space for.
Speaker 2: And she really she I was saying, and I say
Speaker 2: her name, but I think she would have no trouble
Speaker 2: with me attributing this to her brilliant writer. And I'm
Speaker 2: honored in shocked to say a friend, Sheila Hetty, I
Speaker 2: was talking to her recently and she was like, it's
Speaker 2: just true. Women become more powerful with age. She's like,
Speaker 2: it's just the truth, like more powerful, more beautiful, more
Speaker 2: and it's just it is I believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I've heard I've also read things about specifically
Speaker 1: like like you know, women who fear men of pause
Speaker 1: and then like and then I mean I speak. I
Speaker 1: can imagine people listening going there's it's nothing like that whatever.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I've read a couple of things
Speaker 1: where like the women being like, you know, I was
Speaker 1: so afraid of this this and this noess, but actually
Speaker 1: it freed.
Speaker 2: Me God totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I read in one of these period sort of
Speaker 1: books that I was reading, the about the cycles and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, kind of talking about like being free
Speaker 1: from the monthly cycle, allowing you to kind of like
Speaker 1: live this larger like live a larger like m just larger,
Speaker 1: like you're in a different cycle, like the big one. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're in the the waning moon of that.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's it's truly fascinating to think about.
Speaker 1: We need to start visualizing now, so it's not an
Speaker 1: after the fact thing.
Speaker 2: Menopause.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and deeper like us at ninety eight, oh, dancing
Speaker 1: wildly or not dancing wildly or like barely moving but
Speaker 1: you know, clinking a martini. Whatever it is, doesn't it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be defying. It could be like right,
Speaker 1: but just well, because that's exactly creating images, creating interesting story.
Speaker 2: That's enough. My god. Absolutely, yeah, you're right, because it's
Speaker 2: always like the aging woman, right, It's like, look at her,
Speaker 2: you'd never know she's seventy four. Look at her lifting
Speaker 2: his weights, look at that, and it's like, fuck you
Speaker 2: what about just yea, what if she's like having Yeah.
Speaker 1: My mom always she's very like she's she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: like we're all gonna die. Like she's been saying it
Speaker 1: since twelve.
Speaker 2: You know. I feel lucky that my parents also have
Speaker 2: talked about death. My dad has always been like I
Speaker 2: was always kind of like like yeah, And I even
Speaker 2: remember one time him kind of slapping down the will
Speaker 2: on the table, like the will like you know, like
Speaker 2: power of attorney, like you got, you know obviously like
Speaker 2: unplug me, you know, like that kind of stuff. And
Speaker 2: I like kind of the the casual nature of that
Speaker 2: is really freeing. And and I totally lost. But oh
Speaker 2: my mom, I remember during COVID as I say this,
Speaker 2: if it's over, I met like early COVID, pre vaccine, yeah,
Speaker 2: pre vaccine, COVID being a very concern for their their
Speaker 2: safety obviously, and my mom kind of being like oh God,
Speaker 2: and you know, she was very anxious, but she's like,
Speaker 2: if we get it, we die, we die, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's like it's like if we die.
Speaker 1: We die almost like what what has become the sort
Speaker 1: of thinking is this kind of idea of like, well
Speaker 1: I only want to die on my term.
Speaker 2: Right or avoid death at all costs. And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: avoid all we can, we can try to not die,
Speaker 2: and we do usually through very there's mechanisms.
Speaker 1: You're always bargaining, making a bargain, like like you're always
Speaker 1: saying what you're willing to do, like how much you're willing.
Speaker 1: Like some people I don't know don't wear seatbelts and
Speaker 1: that's the bargain and they're making with life. They're like
Speaker 1: yeah that always for me, that's not a worthwhile bargain
Speaker 1: to me too.
Speaker 2: I always I'm maddened by that.
Speaker 1: What's his name?
Speaker 2: I got to protect a career, if not yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, and I feel like I've talked about this recently,
Speaker 1: but also protect the other people in the car. You
Speaker 1: not wearing a seatbelt can kill someone else. Say that's
Speaker 1: what you have your their body flies forward, it kills you.
Speaker 1: So That's what I say when I get one of
Speaker 1: these seat belt people who tries to act like they're
Speaker 1: only hurting themself, you know, or not hurting themselves. God,
Speaker 1: I guess there's just this. I guess like part of
Speaker 1: my way of putting off the idea of death is
Speaker 1: I imagine like as if like I'll be so old. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like, all right, I'm like, oh, let's just
Speaker 1: try to be as old as possible. Right, you start there,
Speaker 1: and then you got to look at that and go
Speaker 1: why why is that what I want? And it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: because if I'm as old as possible, I won't be
Speaker 1: me anymore. And that's almost like I'm not dying. It's
Speaker 1: like someone else is dying and it's like, nope, bitch,
Speaker 1: that'll be you right there. Continuous consciousness from me, You're
Speaker 1: to there, just the way you know, your your consciousness
Speaker 1: has been continuous since childhood. Like now, yes, childhood feels
Speaker 1: far away, but also does it I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess that's really the horror is that it's going to
Speaker 1: be you and you, It's going to be you even
Speaker 1: at twenty. Yeah, I mean that's why it's like maybe
Speaker 1: it's superior. For the mind to go before the body
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. No, no, I mean the desire
Speaker 1: to have a clean way out. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: seems like sudden death is the answer.
Speaker 2: I would hope to the mind going first disturbs me more.
Speaker 2: But yes, at sudden death, I think the bust to
Speaker 2: the head, the coconut to the top of the head.
Speaker 2: Imagine both of us die in the next week.
Speaker 1: Oh well, well, yeah, I mean, it's.
Speaker 2: Your It's hard for me not to quote your genius
Speaker 2: joke here.
Speaker 1: The big problem for me with death is that I
Speaker 1: and this is why. Well, it's all it's all my
Speaker 1: fucking show. So we'll just leave it.
Speaker 2: I believe it. Okay, Well we should go to break.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show, folks. Tickets are on sale, Okay, all
Speaker 1: months in Los Angeles. Okay, Tuesdays.
Speaker 2: And we're back. Yeah yeah, what no, no, no, I'm just
Speaker 2: just leaving my death. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh. I had a major realization the other night. Gummy induced,
Speaker 1: I mean, well not gummy induced. I got news for you, folks.
Speaker 1: There is no notion inside of a weed. Gummy A
Speaker 1: gummy yeah, still has to happen in your head, of course,
Speaker 1: So what was it? Give it to me still fresh insights.
Speaker 1: I had this like moment about and it's you know
Speaker 1: how the things that are the most profound are the
Speaker 1: most obvious, blah blah. Okay, so I'm like, this might,
Speaker 1: this might not, this might sound like nothing, but I
Speaker 1: saw it in a way that felt like something which
Speaker 1: was Okay, your life as a substance time that could
Speaker 1: run out the bottle of shower jel that you're afraid
Speaker 1: to use whatever. Yeah, right, And I was thinking about like,
Speaker 1: live your life, live live your life. Juicet juice at
Speaker 1: juice it right, And in order to do that you
Speaker 1: have to well you could either be like a you know,
Speaker 1: a raving spiritual loon, right, just like in pure present tense,
Speaker 1: just whirling about an ecstasy. Right. I guess that is
Speaker 1: an option. But otherwise, you know, there has to be
Speaker 1: a certain amount of like thinking about your life in
Speaker 1: order to make the most use of it. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there has to be some arguably, there's some thinking, some
Speaker 1: planning something.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't just got a raw nerve. You
Speaker 2: can't just be ecstatically rolling on the front lawn coming because.
Speaker 1: First of all, like what home are you in if
Speaker 1: you haven't you know, like there are some basics to
Speaker 1: be taken care of survival wise, right, so so, but
Speaker 1: but even settings like that, even just trying to live
Speaker 1: a life well okay, like take some time to like
Speaker 1: work shit out psychologically for yourself anyway, It's just this
Speaker 1: moment where I realized, like that there's this ongoing bargain
Speaker 1: where I go, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna allocate
Speaker 1: some of the time I have towards making another time
Speaker 1: in my life better mm hmm. And in order and
Speaker 1: in doing that, I'm continually I'm shrinking the amount of
Speaker 1: time that I'll have to enjoy the thing. But I'm
Speaker 1: still i still think that's the right choice. So it's
Speaker 1: but it's weird. It's weird because I could suddenly see
Speaker 1: it like this line and I'm taking It's like I'm
Speaker 1: taking some of the thread or the rope. I'm using
Speaker 1: some of the slack. It's like I'm depleting yet purposely.
Speaker 1: It's like cutting more hair to get the bangs straight,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: No, it's brilliant.
Speaker 1: It's like there's something it's like the metaphor's not there.
Speaker 1: But I just I saw it very clearly, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't just necess so you got all their life and
Speaker 1: the president you gott to throw it all out the
Speaker 1: window and whatever. It was like. So, we were talking
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago about oh, you have one
Speaker 1: day left to live or whatever, right, and we're like,
Speaker 1: it's dinner. It's dinner. Of course, it's it's dinner. We
Speaker 1: plan right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now if you and me are like, okay, we have
Speaker 1: you know, we have twelve hours left to.
Speaker 2: Live, I'm at the market immediately.
Speaker 1: Do you think we're not spending one hour of that
Speaker 1: crying planning the dinner, you know, choosing the foods?
Speaker 2: Right? Oh? My god, I think I would. I would
Speaker 2: focus all my attention twelve hours left. I would go, yeah,
Speaker 2: you get yeah, yeah, and I would be You'd find
Speaker 2: the only difference would be then instead of washing the dishes,
Speaker 2: I would just let them pile up. Aside from that,
Speaker 2: it would be or that would be more poetic as
Speaker 2: supposed to wash the dishes and put them away.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Yeah, I could see a solemnly washing
Speaker 1: the dishes as like as the weird light of the
Speaker 1: World's end some green glowing you know, Chernobyl.
Speaker 2: As it comes, Yeah, it comes closer, and you're scrubbing.
Speaker 1: Like nobly, nobly scrubbing. He missed the spot.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Mirichick is kind of like that would
Speaker 2: be so stressful if you had, because I would be like,
Speaker 2: I want a dinner party. That would be a really
Speaker 2: hard occasion if there was someone that you didn't want
Speaker 2: to see, like if there was some like social obligation,
Speaker 2: like someone that ordinarily be like yeah, yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: of course we're going to invite them or whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean I actually spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time thinking about that, since not a lot of time,
Speaker 1: but no, I mean end of the World plans just
Speaker 1: the way the ranks would close, you know, closing up
Speaker 1: ranks real fast and where secrets drop and you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like, well, it's force measure a little
Speaker 1: bit right, like in force Measure.
Speaker 2: Brilliant.
Speaker 1: Basically Ski Resort family avalanche comes down. They're sitting there
Speaker 1: at lunch. I mean, this is a spoiler, but of
Speaker 1: course it does spoilers. The father bolts, right, and so
Speaker 1: it's a visions people are about to die.
Speaker 2: The mother and children duck onto the table. They're screaming.
Speaker 2: The father bolts, and then I mean, it's so brilliant,
Speaker 2: so jealous of that concept and perfect. The snow starts
Speaker 2: to clear. Oh we're fine. Everyone realizes, Oh, that was
Speaker 2: really scary, but we're going to be fine. And they
Speaker 2: have to reckon with the fact that the patriarch fled.
Speaker 1: You just you just die. When you say things like that,
Speaker 1: it just such joy, the extremness of the language. It's
Speaker 1: just fled. Like that is why I dream of being
Speaker 1: through the ages with you in different time period. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, you being like he flew, he fled, You're confused.
Speaker 1: Flew is a nice word. Also, Oh it flew. It
Speaker 1: just flew over there.
Speaker 2: Flew right out. Yeah, I mean I always it's always
Speaker 2: the thing of how do you really act in a
Speaker 2: crisis or an emergency? And I've always assumed I would,
Speaker 2: you know, fears about you know, as we all know,
Speaker 2: my my crushing anxiety about parents dying of course inevitable,
Speaker 2: but like my own fears about how would I act
Speaker 2: in What I'm trying to say is that I've been
Speaker 2: forgot who was it told me that sometimes people with
Speaker 2: heightened anxiety, like daily anxiety when there's actually a crisis,
Speaker 2: are the ones that can kind of like, yeah, buckle
Speaker 2: down and deal with it.
Speaker 1: And I have been preparing for the whole line, right
Speaker 1: right right, and a couple of yeah, I had a
Speaker 1: glimpse where I was like, well, I'm actually not.
Speaker 2: I thought right now i'd be on the floor a
Speaker 2: puddle and consolable or unable to a you know, and
Speaker 2: I'm the one picking up a lunch baby.
Speaker 1: No, exactly, And you're prepared. I do think. I remember
Speaker 1: one time this guy we were in high school hanging out. Mother,
Speaker 1: Oh wow, what was it? Tell me?
Speaker 2: Just hit my toe, hit my elbows so hard on
Speaker 2: this chair, keep going, Oh my god, it's fine, right,
Speaker 2: knock into ship, I knocked into something. What's god?
Speaker 1: My trick? I've gotten this to you when you've been
Speaker 1: pain Oh you hit it and no, I go ten seconds.
Speaker 1: I'm like countdown from ten and see how you feel.
Speaker 1: It's like it just get through ten seconds. It'll be
Speaker 1: better then, and it like you have done that for me,
Speaker 1: and it does. It's already gone.
Speaker 2: Okay, continue, there's still kind of a radiating pain, but
Speaker 2: it's fine. It's dull.
Speaker 1: Just a little touch point.
Speaker 2: Oh the memory of pain.
Speaker 1: Well, it's an interesting there's some ideas about like that
Speaker 1: you can't truly remember it or something.
Speaker 2: It's like pain, pain is something there is something unreal,
Speaker 2: like okay, now I'm just being like, but hitting my elbow,
Speaker 2: it's like that kind of fleeting pain is bizarre. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Or it's just like the reminder of having a body
Speaker 2: like that is so startling, Like walk into.
Speaker 1: Something pain in the brain, right, Like pain is you're
Speaker 1: experiencing through the travel. Yeah, right, then it seems like
Speaker 1: you should be able to outwit it, like and be
Speaker 1: like that's a sensation.
Speaker 2: Look at that. Yeah, I'm noticing that I'm having pain
Speaker 2: instead of being or like yeah.
Speaker 1: My radical acceptance of pain.
Speaker 2: My body has pain, instead of being like I have
Speaker 2: pain or something like oh look how interesting my leg is.
Speaker 1: Gone closing down ranks around emergency. Oh your parents running
Speaker 1: to your parents dinner? Oh but just like yeah, how
Speaker 1: long would I spend like how many hours would we
Speaker 1: spend planning the food? I think you and me we
Speaker 1: would balance it like, Okay, well we don't want to
Speaker 1: plan so much that the dinner only lasts an hour, right,
Speaker 1: he'd be like, no, the dinner we need to have
Speaker 1: six hours start to finish.
Speaker 2: It's I come now, we'll put the pasta water, we'll
Speaker 2: start boiling the pasta now.
Speaker 1: But we'd also be like, well, it's going to take
Speaker 1: me forty minutes to secure that cheese, right and so,
Speaker 1: and it'd be like is it worth it? And I
Speaker 1: think we'd be like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: imagine seven hours. Yeah, six is fine. It is fine.
Speaker 1: I think we would, right, right or right. The fact
Speaker 1: that it takes time to consider time, I guess is.
Speaker 2: My yeah, it's it's hell.
Speaker 1: And now I've told you this probably about my father's
Speaker 1: time management stuff, where he was tracking in days of
Speaker 1: his early days of his business and probably still I
Speaker 1: don't know, but tracking what he was doing with his time,
Speaker 1: like down to the fifteen minutes mark and then putting
Speaker 1: it in you know, to his graph or whatever, like
Speaker 1: charting it and being like, okay, like you know, I
Speaker 1: spent this much time on new business, you know, like
Speaker 1: seeking out new business, this much time on admin, this
Speaker 1: much time on you know, doing the actual work whatever,
Speaker 1: and like and and basically like he did his system
Speaker 1: and he realized, you we was spending too much time
Speaker 1: on his time tracking the system revealed.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: I love that. Couldn't you just like die for that?
Speaker 1: So God, I just I have been struggling this week
Speaker 1: with fantasies of the question of habits has been coming
Speaker 1: up a lot in uh, particularly in the last like
Speaker 1: number of years, not like it's new, but you know,
Speaker 1: there's that book Atomic Habits, and I feel like eight
Speaker 1: years ago there was a lot of talk about Ben
Speaker 1: Franklin's habit tracker thing and.
Speaker 2: Nerd.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but but but the only thing
Speaker 1: that's kind of like disturbing about it is because I go, like,
Speaker 1: I know, that's not how I live.
Speaker 2: And it's easy to build a habit when all you
Speaker 2: have is like you know, when there's like a chicken
Speaker 2: screaming outside and you're like, I could go attend to
Speaker 2: the chicken. I could toss this rock against that rock.
Speaker 2: I could, like Ben Franklin, have sex, yeah, or I
Speaker 2: could like write down something, or I could gaze, you know,
Speaker 2: onto into the horizon. I'm not impressed by like pre
Speaker 2: printing press habits.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, no, no, certainly, but Ben Franklin was not
Speaker 1: pre printing press. God, You're like, you're like in the
Speaker 1: thirteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: When when because like, sorry, yeah.
Speaker 1: Well atomic habits. Oh but I was saying living free
Speaker 1: like and then, but the disturbing realization is like, you're
Speaker 1: not habitless.
Speaker 2: I love when I'm a complete air ahead, Yeah you're not.
Speaker 1: The hell is that? Like you actually can't escape it.
Speaker 1: It's the question of are you pleased with what yours are? Like?
Speaker 1: So I think of myself as living free, and yet
Speaker 1: of course I am. You know my habits, what are they?
Speaker 1: I habitually watch television at I television is fine, start
Speaker 1: the morning with coffee, I mean whatever, It's.
Speaker 2: Just I mean, I'm sorry to interrupt with the complete
Speaker 2: obviously I'm going to talk about but this is what
Speaker 2: the social media thing. Because I was thinking about how
Speaker 2: I use my time as well recently. I was actually
Speaker 2: forcing myself to write it down, like what are the
Speaker 2: things I do the most? And I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, well guess one of the top two things
Speaker 2: I do the most look at my fucking phone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that hit hard, and I have to say, I'm
Speaker 2: three weeks tomorrow no phone. And I did log on
Speaker 2: briefly to post something and then love it off and
Speaker 2: like and then and get out. No and I got
Speaker 2: in and got out, and it was it was really
Speaker 2: clarifying to get in and get out. It gave me
Speaker 2: hope for the future that I that I can continue
Speaker 2: to use that system, because yeah, the time lost is harrowing.
Speaker 1: There's a there's an old self help book that is
Speaker 1: like called something like how to Survive on twenty four
Speaker 1: hours a day or something like that, I mean from
Speaker 1: like nineteen oh one, and I read it years ago
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, what.
Speaker 2: Do you mean how to survive like like how to
Speaker 2: for how to live time.
Speaker 1: For hours a day. He's like he's a real like
Speaker 1: bastard and pointing out like how like the average man
Speaker 1: like you know, you know, wastes his life Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's.
Speaker 2: Which is also rude. It's like just of course we're
Speaker 2: going to waste time. We're not here to not waste time,
Speaker 2: like absolutely, absolutely no, I mean, trivolities are the stuff
Speaker 2: of life.
Speaker 1: Although I always felt it was sort of rude, like
Speaker 1: do you remember the whole thing. I think it's attributed
Speaker 1: to John Lennon, like life's what happens when you're making
Speaker 1: other plans.
Speaker 2: Yeah. John Lennon said that, yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's it's sort of like it's easier to sort
Speaker 1: of say that when your big life plans are being
Speaker 1: the most massive major musician ever, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, killing it? Yeah, like easy for him to
Speaker 1: be like, it's actually the times between the tour yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: versus I feel like the person's saying lives of the
Speaker 1: stuff that happens when you're making other plans, their plans
Speaker 1: have gone well, yes, correct, Like if you're trying to
Speaker 1: get out of your life, you're trying to escape your
Speaker 1: life into a new thing, get a new thing started.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I want to go higher. These
Speaker 2: earthly these earthly achievements are they've lost something from me.
Speaker 1: Right right. It's easy to renounce money when you have money,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. You know that holds if you're not
Speaker 1: happy with what you're with, what your main plans are,
Speaker 1: then it's a little bit annoying to have to like
Speaker 1: savor the details or whatever. But one thing Carolyn Mace
Speaker 1: did say this morning when I was listening to Entering
Speaker 1: the Castle one of her audio lectures. It talks about
Speaker 1: the work of Teresa of Avalon, etcetera, etcetera. She's like,
Speaker 1: people come to my workshops and they want to be
Speaker 1: told what's my highest potential, what's my greatest potential? Like
Speaker 1: what am I here to do? Kind of thing? And
Speaker 1: she's like, they want you know, great, big, huge, It's
Speaker 1: how she always says it. She's like, they want to
Speaker 1: upgrade their highest potential. They can't even function at their
Speaker 1: lowest potential. Dawn, Okay, They're like, can't get out of bed,
Speaker 1: they can't command their spirit to like forgive their friend
Speaker 1: like I'm a CEO, but they're at a workshop asking
Speaker 1: her yeahah yeah. And so there have been a couple
Speaker 1: of times in my life like I remember her saying that,
Speaker 1: and maybe, like what if I went the other way
Speaker 1: that I than how I normally think, Like I normally think,
Speaker 1: start from the biggest, most upstream, essential thing and work
Speaker 1: from there. Like what if I went the other way
Speaker 1: and was like, I'm gonna try to live at my
Speaker 1: lowest potential. Well literally get my shit together around you know,
Speaker 1: my laundry. But all I'm saying is that, Uh, there
Speaker 1: was a period where once I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's start with the basics. And it was
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, basically, like to live my lowest potential
Speaker 1: well and like and then kind of build off that.
Speaker 1: I don't know because I'm always dismissing the small and
Speaker 1: then and then I find myself absolutely crushed by mess.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's just whatever, We'll circle
Speaker 1: these things again and again. We gotta go to break.
Speaker 2: And we're back.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm considering ping for an Air one membership. Well
Speaker 2: I can't figure out the math though, of course.
Speaker 1: What are the numbers and whatever?
Speaker 2: One membership is two hundred dollars and which you guys
Speaker 2: ten percent for the year and you get ten percent
Speaker 2: off everything. All right, hold on, I'll do it for you, right, Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: I go every forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: How often are you going?
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. And this is something that I
Speaker 2: chronically struggle with. So I go, and I'm spending a
Speaker 2: lot in small purchases. So it's not like I'm going
Speaker 2: and going, oh here's you know, it's like I rarely
Speaker 2: spend over forty dollars in one go, but maybe I
Speaker 2: do that, you know, six times. Like I'm bad at
Speaker 2: understanding what the value.
Speaker 1: Is of trying to look at.
Speaker 2: My credit card statement.
Speaker 1: It's not that hard it seems like it's Hell, it's
Speaker 1: not that bad, I ad or you just added on
Speaker 1: the downloaded and to excel.
Speaker 2: Never could never could, never would.
Speaker 1: No, I feel you. But let me just think about this.
Speaker 1: Two hundred dollars. It has to happen in order to
Speaker 1: be in order for it to for you to be
Speaker 1: making money, not losing money or whatever. Yeah, right, bless you.
Speaker 1: You have to get two hundred dollars off. Okay, so
Speaker 1: so you have to in getting ten percent off, you
Speaker 1: have to save two hundred dollars. So you have to.
Speaker 1: So it it's two hundred dollars ten percent of two thousand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So are you good? Kate?
Speaker 2: Look at me, at me.
Speaker 1: She was rubbing her eyes and it just flew out
Speaker 1: of you. Okay, you act like.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, oh yeah, ten percent? Yeah you know?
Speaker 1: So wait is that what am I trying to say?
Speaker 1: Do you spend two thousand at air one?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I don't even know. No, this doesn't even make that
Speaker 1: this is the year?
Speaker 2: Should But if I spend two thousand in the year,
Speaker 2: oh whatever, I'll forget this out tim kicking it down
Speaker 2: the stream till another time.
Speaker 1: Two hundreds.
Speaker 2: I really I abuse the hot bar because like right now,
Speaker 2: I just live so close to it, so it's like,
Speaker 2: right now, I'm hungry.
Speaker 1: Right, you could go over there and get a what
Speaker 1: do you like to get it there?
Speaker 2: I mean I cook, you know, I do cook. Of
Speaker 2: course they do. They do it. They do a chicken nugget,
Speaker 2: a coconut bread and a coconut flour chicken nugget.
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 2: They do good sushi, Yeah, they do know.
Speaker 1: They did that. Oh yeah, No, I mean I didn't
Speaker 1: know they did a coconut flower they.
Speaker 2: Do it breaded, yeah, and they do the salid Yeah.
Speaker 2: They have Keto stuff for sure. And then they have
Speaker 2: but oh, I don't know if it's a nugget because they'd.
Speaker 1: Call it that if it was. So I'm thinking it's
Speaker 1: coconut flour plus wheat flower.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think they're Keto. And you know, sometimes
Speaker 2: I get it and I go, this is not great,
Speaker 2: Like this is not But it's just the as we've said,
Speaker 2: convenience is a killer convenience. We'll do everything out of the.
Speaker 1: Devil lives now inside a convenience. The devil had to
Speaker 1: look for a place to get.
Speaker 2: Us, and it found its way home instantly.
Speaker 1: All of here. Yeah, yeah, olive here.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm really cheesy today. Food. Do you
Speaker 2: feel this? I feel like I feel like I've been
Speaker 2: continually saying things and I'm like, who's that? I get it?
Speaker 2: Something else I don't even recall, but I feel nervous
Speaker 2: or something. It's strange.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll listen back and we'll cut anything we don't I.
Speaker 2: You know, I can't believe well chinks.
Speaker 1: I bought Robert a headlamp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jinks, Oh my god, I need to rewatch
Speaker 2: I the Jinks is so terrifying and so good. Where's mommy?
Speaker 2: Mommy's on the roof, My mommy, I don't remember where's
Speaker 2: He's talking about his mother, like on the roof? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like and his voice all, well, mommy's you know,
Speaker 2: and it's like, yeah, he was spelling, Oh yeah, Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: And the letter of course of like Maybell or something
Speaker 1: we talked.
Speaker 2: About on Christmas Poog we went live on the Instagram.
Speaker 2: We talked about the staircase, but then didn't really dive deeper.
Speaker 2: But I'm about to do it or rewatch. It's it's
Speaker 2: deeply influential. The Stair's case is exquisite. And it's on
Speaker 2: Netflix now maybe it has been. Who knows, never seen it.
Speaker 2: I was saying, Michael, see hollow the luck, honey, Lightning
Speaker 2: doesn't write it, does it? You're Michael Sea Hall set
Speaker 2: under and then dead. His agents are going, you're kidding me.
Speaker 2: Two hits, two hits like this.
Speaker 1: Two hits and new Blood is it's a joy. It's
Speaker 1: a recent uh Dexter additional season. We didn't know we
Speaker 1: were going to get called Dexter new Blood. I just
Speaker 1: love the world of Dexter. I love riding around in
Speaker 1: his brain.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm distracted because I have a cabinet on the way.
Speaker 1: What drawers?
Speaker 2: Another one? It's happening, The office is happening. Okay, so no,
Speaker 2: So actually I was on offer up and I almost
Speaker 2: bought the set of drawers. And then I was at
Speaker 2: my parents' house and I noticed this drawer, this drawer
Speaker 2: set in my whole bedroom, and I said, do you
Speaker 2: need this? My mother said absolutely not. So I'm having that.
Speaker 2: It's brought here.
Speaker 1: That's exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow, And so I'm going to have that. And
Speaker 2: you know what's happening. I have to get a handyman
Speaker 2: in here to help me hang a few things really,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: You know, haunting me. But the big thing I want
Speaker 1: I want a big mirror. I want okay, I want mirrors,
Speaker 1: dance mirrors so that when I'm when I'm doing my tracy.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, my dance mirror in my bedroom is
Speaker 2: my dream. The thing that's.
Speaker 1: Fucking with me is the anti tip technology. Okay, hm hmm,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole secure this against the wall with
Speaker 1: this thing. They're like, this mirror, don't worry, it comes
Speaker 1: with anti tip technology, and it's like you can lean
Speaker 1: this huge thing against the wall. I'm afraid of leans.
Speaker 2: Of course because of also the cat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even though like my big bookshelves just stand there.
Speaker 1: They're not secure to anything, and I'm like, not afraid.
Speaker 2: It's at maybe you should be. Actually we are an
Speaker 2: earthquake country.
Speaker 1: But that Yeah, But then I start to break down
Speaker 1: about whether or not I am you know, can I
Speaker 1: safely mount the hardware? Can we trust that I'm choosing
Speaker 1: your right you know, drill size to put the little
Speaker 1: thing in that then the screw goes in. Do you
Speaker 1: even know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Honestly?
Speaker 1: Anchors God, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Having to find the stud of the wad I mean,
Speaker 2: I want to be able to do that. I really
Speaker 2: really do.
Speaker 1: I have a stud finder if you can imagine, wow,
Speaker 1: but you can you know what you can do kind
Speaker 1: of knock knock, knock and you'll hear the business stud.
Speaker 1: I don't trust feel to do that. No, you really
Speaker 1: feel it. It's like it's it's actually and then you
Speaker 1: drill in and sometimes you hit it and but yeah,
Speaker 1: I've gone through phases. It's one of those things where
Speaker 1: I like don't believe it's real, Like like like I
Speaker 1: remember I don't know early in my semi adult life,
Speaker 1: like hanging shelves somewhere and just being like I'm not
Speaker 1: the anchor. What is this now? Like I'm just screwing
Speaker 1: this thing into the wall. It's fine, and then like
Speaker 1: watching it slowly fall out of the wall, like refusing
Speaker 1: to really find out what my dolls are made of.
Speaker 1: That sort of thing.
Speaker 2: That's the constant I feel like, that's the thing that
Speaker 2: I'm always bucking is directions. Like I get so impatient
Speaker 2: reading directions that I'll read the first three sentences and
Speaker 2: I'm like uh huhh, and I'm just like no, I'll
Speaker 2: just figure it out. I'll figure it out my way
Speaker 2: and then it's like, no, there's just a way. It's
Speaker 2: not intuitive. You just have to follow this direction and
Speaker 2: it will. But I become so impatient and I become
Speaker 2: overwhelmed with directions, and then I suffer in the long run.
Speaker 1: Me accepting the truth of wall anchors, me accepting Okay,
Speaker 1: I have to drill a hole, I have to tap
Speaker 1: a wall anchor in, and then in goes my screw
Speaker 1: like the once I accepted that, and it didn't seem
Speaker 1: like something other people do.
Speaker 2: Oh it's so freezing.
Speaker 1: I know, it was like, oh, no, that's something you do.
Speaker 1: I do now. I guess that's so cool. And but
Speaker 1: there was resistance because it's sort of like you know,
Speaker 1: and they're it's it's the same to me as you know,
Speaker 1: test a small amount on an inconspicuous area of your.
Speaker 2: Garment, Oh yeah, or the inside of you or the back.
Speaker 1: Ear wrist, whatever, you know. I'm like, no, just risk it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine like I didn't go to I didn't
Speaker 1: go to CBS at three am for hair dye to
Speaker 1: do a test and wait and wait. You know I
Speaker 1: can't because I have an emotional problem. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I want to quick fix. Yes, and so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with, well, I can't do anything that bad or
Speaker 1: you know, they couldn't put it on the market if
Speaker 1: it was that danger. I never trust I always. That's
Speaker 1: the whole retinal to the water line thing, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like.
Speaker 2: What they say, don't put it up to the water line.
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I can't even remember.
Speaker 2: I feel like the retinal because what if people say
Speaker 2: about retinal is that it's like it makes me very
Speaker 2: sensitive to the sun right to the idea is that
Speaker 2: it prevents acne and helps with lines with wrinkles.
Speaker 1: Well, the sensitivity of the sun is not like, is
Speaker 1: not being framed as a benefit.
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean that that's a problem. Like if
Speaker 2: you're on retinal, you have to be really careful about
Speaker 2: the sun.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, thankfully we already are, right, correct. I Mean
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it's like it feels
Speaker 1: almost like now you can have the dog if you
Speaker 1: promise you will feed it every day and pick up
Speaker 1: its trash. Yeah, daddy, okay, yeah, yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 1: This is something I've seen on television. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: almost like that, it's like, okay, you can have the
Speaker 1: retinal if you are if you are vigilant about your
Speaker 1: sun protection, because and this is what's scary to me,
Speaker 1: the responsibility inherent. They're like, because if you don't, you'll
Speaker 1: make your skin worse, like like if your extra sensitive
Speaker 1: to the sun, then the sun damage will be worse.
Speaker 1: And so it's like it's like, this is where advisors
Speaker 1: come into play for me.
Speaker 2: Right, right, I still struggle with wearing a hat on.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget a T shirt. Is only SPF ten.
Speaker 2: Oh God, don't say it.
Speaker 1: I know it's so it's so upsetting, isn't it wonderful?
Speaker 2: Wonderful?
Speaker 1: There's a questionful do our windows protect us? I don't
Speaker 1: think they do.
Speaker 2: They don't. And that's one of the things that's you know,
Speaker 2: the hell, the realization that you're supposed to wear SPF
Speaker 2: even if you're in the side. Never leave the home. Right,
Speaker 2: We've talked about this. They say blue light you can
Speaker 2: also damage the skin. So well, I'm just inside all day.
Speaker 2: I'm like computerble guests, Well, honey, you're gonna want to
Speaker 2: slop on some SPF thirty.
Speaker 1: Just sit in front of your mac.
Speaker 2: Just sit in front of your goddamn mac book and
Speaker 2: watch the your feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh we we we've we did get a code
Speaker 1: for light path to wellness like poog ten percent off
Speaker 1: with yeah, very fancy all post on the stories, but
Speaker 1: that's a deal. I was reading again about red light
Speaker 1: and and using it as your ambient light at night
Speaker 1: for a couple of hours before going to bed, and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, and oh you know what,
Speaker 1: I you know what I just got. I'm so excited
Speaker 1: about what and I mean not to you know, Oh
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you I had this is where
Speaker 1: I waken the night. Let me just get this out. Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm struggling because I'm about to tell you
Speaker 1: about a low carb chip and that makes me not
Speaker 1: happy about who I am. Oh please, Okay, So there's
Speaker 1: that number one, like the mystique you know, not that
Speaker 1: there is any, but you know what I mean, right, Like,
Speaker 1: oh great? And then secondly, as a result, would you
Speaker 1: like hear the most vain possible response to Joan Didion's
Speaker 1: death beyond like her work meaning a lot to me
Speaker 1: as it does too many You.
Speaker 2: Were like fin Spow, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like whatever, just looking at the pictures of
Speaker 1: Joan didion, and I was like, when you realize there's
Speaker 1: something that you've fucked up that cannot be turned back,
Speaker 1: and mine was smiling in pictures.
Speaker 2: I was like that she never saw Poe.
Speaker 1: I mean there are some I think where she is
Speaker 1: very young, like when she's like young woman hot, whatever's
Speaker 1: like wind blown, when when like I would try for
Speaker 1: daddy my fool. Yeah, she's just like I'm a writer
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the camera and I just I
Speaker 1: felt devastation. I felt devastation.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised about it.
Speaker 1: I was, Fuck, why didn' anyone tell me? Like, why
Speaker 1: didn't I clock that you can do it? In nineteen
Speaker 1: you can do Cut the fucking smiles. I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been walked walked all over. Guess what, folks, is the
Speaker 1: last smile you're getting.
Speaker 2: Out of me?
Speaker 1: Oh no, we love it Oka, I'm gonna bring it down.
Speaker 2: We love those pearly whites.
Speaker 1: I think this has been wonderful.
Speaker 2: We're at the hour mark. I think we should go, well, well.
Speaker 1: Well, another conversation in the can, another day, another dollar
Speaker 1: and the dollars spent. I love talking about death, me too.
Speaker 1: You know, you know we're gonna bring a lot of that,
Speaker 1: A lot of that here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's haiving to go deeper with death. Great.
Speaker 1: Well, Uprising is the chips I'm very excited about and
Speaker 1: paid through the nose for, and I'm open to partnership
Speaker 1: opportunities with Uprising chips. They're like bagel chips.
Speaker 2: Arowon actually has an explosive keto cheesecake I was thinking
Speaker 2: about for you.
Speaker 1: Is it allylos or is it is it monk fruit
Speaker 1: or is it your athrotoal? Because if it's your athrotal, I.
Speaker 2: Think it's rythrotal.
Speaker 1: It has a cooling effect and I won't have it.
Speaker 2: No, there's no cooling effect.
Speaker 1: Okay, some are more sensitive to it than others.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I know that effect. I know that effect.
Speaker 1: This is not that Hello big good? Actually there's well maney, Well,
Speaker 1: well yeah, I have some more bake goods coming coming
Speaker 1: your way.
Speaker 2: Well you also turned me on too, Lily's.
Speaker 1: Peanut butter fact that you didn't know. Unv I want
Speaker 1: one to write sugar free baby, Well, Stevia, Sweeten, I
Speaker 1: love you, Bye bye?
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