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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson show

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale LOLLI he is Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 2: this is a drive on Steelers Nation Radio. And Matt

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Speaker 2: as people know of regularly listeners to the show and

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Speaker 2: regular readers of Steelers dot Com. You, myself and Mike

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Speaker 2: Pursuda have put together our triple take rankings of the

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Speaker 2: top five players at each position in this draft, and

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Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks for NFL dot Com put together his top

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Speaker 2: five list for this time. He's got to.

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Speaker 1: Think about mine and where we differ on those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's updated. This is three point oh. So I

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Speaker 2: assume this is going to be his last one as

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Speaker 2: we're just over a week out from the draft. So

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Speaker 2: at quarterback he Bryce Young number one, CJ. Stroud number two,

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Speaker 2: and Din Hooker number three, followed by Anthony Richardson and

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Speaker 2: will Levis Gutsy.

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Speaker 1: I know you put Hooker at four, which I was

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Speaker 1: impressed with your moxie on that I thought about. It

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Speaker 1: didn't quite have the stones. My list went Stroud, Young, Richardson, Levis, Hooker,

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Speaker 1: but stroudverd Young to me is really a toss up.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel super strong at one with it.

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Speaker 2: It is, and I do think that there is a

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Speaker 2: gap between those two and the next the next three guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I like Richardson more than you do,

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Speaker 1: just because I think he can live. He can survive

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Speaker 1: for two years with athleticism and Ronnie.

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Speaker 2: Still know these ever, you know, there's certain guys who

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Speaker 2: who are going to get more accurate or have shown

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Speaker 2: that they can be more accurate, but not everybody gets

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Speaker 2: more accurate.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody does.

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Speaker 2: And the guys like when we're talking about you know,

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen getting more accurate, well, he was still reasonably

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Speaker 2: accurat in college, Like he was a sixty percent passer

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Speaker 2: ish in that rate. Joe Burrow now either, Yeah, Anthony

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Speaker 2: richards is a fifty percent passer in college.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's worse. I mean his competition was a little harder,

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Speaker 1: but still, you know, like we didn't do a lot

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Speaker 1: of talking about the Jalen Hurts contract. Like I've heard

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Speaker 1: a lot of this since he signed the deal, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's from agents in the team, and everybody's

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Speaker 1: excited about Jalen Hurts great, but they said every day

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Speaker 1: he's been an eagle. He's been the first person in

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Speaker 1: the building and the last person out. And not that

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Speaker 1: this matters, but he walks in with a briefcase and

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Speaker 1: he treats it like a job, you know, like and

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Speaker 1: if Richardson takes that approach, he could be rewarded. Like

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I just don't know. I mean, everyone's oh,

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Speaker 1: he's a hard worker, he's a great guy. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: are you and a scene worker like Jalen Hurts and

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady? If he is, he might be the best

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Speaker 1: one in this class, isn't He's in trouble.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see. I think what I what I

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Speaker 2: think I've seen happening here and this is what I

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Speaker 2: did as well. I've just kind of soured on Levis

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Speaker 1: Me too, quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: At running back. But Jean Robinson, Jamior Gibbs as are

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Speaker 1: Zach Charbonney, Yeah, I think he's locked in a three

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Devin a chain and then ty j spears those

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Speaker 2: those after three I think is where you get a

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Speaker 2: lot of movement there, because it's what do you what

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Speaker 2: are you looking for exactly want to do you want

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Speaker 2: an explosive back? Okay, do you want a guy who's

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Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty pounds is gonna can carry the

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Speaker 2: ball for you twenty times? What are you looking for

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. I feel very wishy washy about four through

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Speaker 1: nine to be honest with.

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Speaker 2: And they can all be good. They can all be good,

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Speaker 2: but it's going to depend on where they land too.

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Speaker 1: I think I put Roshawn Johnson in my final five.

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Speaker 1: I think of all the backs, I have the best

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Speaker 1: clue of what he is and it's not dynamic, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he's kind of like Brian Robinson from

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Speaker 2: last year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know he's going to be a grinder. He's

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Speaker 2: he's gonna take the football. You know you can live

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. I mean he's big and he's talented.

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Speaker 2: Wide receiver, Jackson Smith and Jigban number one, Jay Flowers

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Speaker 1: That's my exact list.

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Speaker 2: I think I think it might be mine too. If not,

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Speaker 2: it's darn close to it.

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Speaker 1: It's done close. I couldn't remember if I went hiat

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Speaker 1: You know, it just kind of depends what you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: But I feel pretty strong about say Flowers of two now.

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Speaker 2: At tight End. He moved, but Dalton kon Kate up

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Speaker 2: to one, Michael Mayer's now down at two, Darnell Washington,

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Speaker 2: who visited the Steelers on Tuesday, is three. Luke Musgrave

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Speaker 2: for Sam Laporta five. Those are my top five as well.

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Speaker 2: I went with I had Mayor number one, though.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I regretted a little. I had Musgrave number one.

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Speaker 1: I don't hate that. I mean, I still like him

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Speaker 1: and you had him in your top five and I

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Speaker 1: had him six, I had Tucker Craft at five. I

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Speaker 1: like Laporto as much as any of these guys. You know, like,

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Speaker 1: there's a couple dudes like this is a Flowers argument.

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Speaker 1: Iowa's offense was awful, awful, last awful. Yeah, and he

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Speaker 2: And they've got a pretty good track record with tight Ends.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and he's a lot more elusive. You're like, I

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Speaker 1: love Musgrave and I love Washington, but they're not real wiggily,

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Speaker 1: you know, like they don't have a lot of left

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Speaker 1: right agility. They run real fast in a big straight

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Speaker 1: line and they're huge. But like Laporta gets the ball

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Speaker 1: and the whole world knows he's getting the football. He's

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Speaker 2: Yeah. If I was a young tight end, I would

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Speaker 2: want to go to Iowa. Yeah, no doubt, because I'm

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Speaker 2: going to learn how to block and I'm still going.

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Speaker 1: To catch the football. Oh yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be very valuable to the NFL team.

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Speaker 2: No, you're right.

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Speaker 1: That's a great class though it is.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting the Steelers brought Washington and on Tuesday, I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean he's such a good blocker. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think he's a raw receiver, you know, but the

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Speaker 1: Steelers don't need him to be a top three option

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Speaker 1: next year.

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Speaker 2: You know, and that's the thing. So you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: they they you know, they went out and resigned Zach Gentry,

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Speaker 2: but it was a one year deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've still got Connor Hayward, but he's probably going

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Speaker 1: And if he walked past us in the hall, we

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Speaker 2: Actually I actually did walk past him yesterday. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: and that's nothing. He is Connor Hayward. They couldn't be

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Speaker 1: They could be any different. Gentry and Connor Hayward are

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Speaker 2: But darn Darnell Washington. He's the one guy of this

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Speaker 2: group that Okay, if it's if he's there at thirty

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Speaker 2: m I get it because he's They liked that, They

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Speaker 2: liked that number two tight end to be a big dude,

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Speaker 2: a big blocking tight end.

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Speaker 1: Battling Ravens Bengals, and yeah, and he can do that,

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Speaker 1: and but he could be more than that and more

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Speaker 1: than that. Right again, Gentry, it's fine, we've seen that

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Speaker 1: it works. But what if he ran a four or five.

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, right, Okay, an offensive tackle. He's got

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Speaker 2: Pete Skeronsky one I was called him Pete Skronsky, not Peter.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if he I wonder if he likes to

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Speaker 2: if that's something he does, he have to be called

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Speaker 2: Peter is like his mom said, you. I remember there

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Speaker 2: was a kid that I coached in baseball. His name

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Speaker 2: was Jonathan, and every once in a while I'd call

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Speaker 2: him John and his mom would correct me, it's Jonathan.

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Speaker 2: I'm like short, I shortened everybody's name when I'm when

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Speaker 2: I'm coaching him. Let's see you.

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Speaker 1: A lot worse things. No one calls me Matthew, but

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Speaker 1: I don't care one bit if they do. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know now I was because you do see that,

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Speaker 1: and you know it better than I do. A lot

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Speaker 1: pronouncing my name wrong my whole life. I really want

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Speaker 1: to go by Peter. Please call me Pete, you know,

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Speaker 1: change my football card and know I didn't want to

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Speaker 2: Started when I was a freshman in college and I

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Speaker 2: you know, have a two.

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Speaker 1: Star recruit and they put Peter in the in the

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Speaker 1: whatever it.

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Speaker 2: Is, right, But I don't know that he bumped him

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Speaker 2: up to one. Yeah, moving Paris Johnson down, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I have some questions about Johnson and Jones, but I

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Speaker 1: would put Scarronski with the interior guys.

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Speaker 2: Uh. He has Broderick Jones three, Darnell Right four, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm liking Harrison more than I did before. He's longer,

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Speaker 1: has heavier hands than I expected. And the Big twelve

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Speaker 1: so goofy. Like the more tape I watch on this

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Speaker 1: going against three man defensive fronts, you know, like rarely

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Speaker 1: is there this dude screaming off the edge like he's

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Speaker 1: he handles it with ease. But man, I mean the

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Speaker 1: college game is so weird sometimes.

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Speaker 2: That's just I can't get past that with some of

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Speaker 2: the Big twelve. Yeah players like that, It's I always

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Speaker 2: look at them as being finesse players.

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Speaker 1: It's just so much space. Yeah, they're not.

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Speaker 2: You just don't have that in the NFL. No, because

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Speaker 2: I mean it looks like it's a huge space, but

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Speaker 2: it's really not. When you put twenty two big men

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Speaker 1: No, they covered a much ground as they do. And

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Speaker 1: the even like the offensive line splits are so wide sometimes.

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Speaker 2: He bumped Murphy up two spots to three, up ahead

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Speaker 1: Like I rarely, rarely, rarely do mock drafts without you,

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Speaker 1: He has he's crazy long arms. He's six ' five,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to train our listeners and readers that that

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Speaker 2: Now than well, you're in your nickel or dime defense.

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Speaker 1: The short arms worry me to no end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because if because Murphy can line up at nine

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Speaker 1: Like I don't think Chancy could do that. Murphy would

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Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, at Abaris, his number five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely could be. And you know, if you

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Speaker 1: His style will play in the league.

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Speaker 1: Henley's clearly the fourth true off the ball guy.

437
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so as well. For me, I think,

438
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 2: to me, Drew Sanders is Lawrence Timmins with better pass

439
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 2: rush ability. Yeah yeah. Simpson to me is more Kendra Bell,

440
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 2: and then Campbell is kind of a combination, you know

441
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: what he's He's I think more of the modern day. Hey,

442
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: I could do everything pretty well.

443
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a great comp for him,

444
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: but yeah.

445
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: I don't either because of that length. I mean, the

446
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: length is unbelievable.

447
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: I think he's a green dot guy, you know. I mean,

448
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: I think he's a get everyone aligned.

449
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 2: The closest thing for Campbell is Tremaine Edmonds, except I

450
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: think he's better than Tremaine Edmonds.

451
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean Edmunds was so raw him in the league

452
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: where you.

453
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, Yeah, I think he's a much

454
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 2: more finished product. And yet Edmunds went in the first

455
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: round in Campbell is probably gonna go in the second.

456
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: It because that's how that position is now valued.

457
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: Like I think Campbell wins the starting job before the

458
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: first preseason game here not, Yeah, but I think he

459
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 1: I would. I feel real good about that.

460
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah I would too. So I'm listening to NFL Serious

461
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 2: NFL Today and it was the Charlie Weiss Show and

462
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: they were talking about this inside linebacker group and he

463
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 2: was asked, I think it was John Papa who hosted

464
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: it with him, and he asked him or Weiss just

465
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: offered it up on his own. He says, the question

466
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,439
Speaker 2: I would have for Drew Sanders is why did he

467
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: transfer from Alabama to Arkansas? Now he was mistaken about

468
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 2: this for his senior year. Drew Sanders is still a junior,

469
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 2: so he could have gone back to school this year.

470
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: Right, He had a really good year when he came out.

471
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 2: To me, I think it's he wanted to play and play.

472
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: So I heard this same conversation on a podcast this morning.

473
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: It was actually Cosel. He was on Thrust Tucker and

474
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: he said he because he was talking highly of Sanders

475
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: on the podcast and said, remember, this guy's an off

476
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: the ball linebacker for one year, and that's a position

477
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: it takes a long time to learn. So he's way

478
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: ahead of the curve from doing that. And this should

479
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 1: shock no one, but Bama's edge rushers are Will Anderson,

480
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: who's gonna be a top three pick. And next year

481
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: they got a guy who's just as good as Will Anderson.

482
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: I forget his name, you know, like of course they do,

483
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: you know.

484
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they may have just told him, hey, look,

485
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: we're we're not going to move you inside because we

486
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: got you know, we have Henry Tutu there, we have

487
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 2: you know.

488
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you're good at rushing the pastors. So

489
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: you're a third dude. You're not a starter here, but

490
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: it would be ninety nine percent of the teams.

491
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 2: And so he transferres Arkansas and the other The other

492
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: thing about it is people forget about the nil money. Yeah, yeah,

493
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 2: somebody you know. He he said, Hey, I'm gonna go

494
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: into the transfer portal and see what's out there. I'm

495
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: the third guy, you know, I'm coming off the bench

496
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: and playing fifteen snaps a game at Alabama. But if

497
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: I go to Arkansas, this guy's offered me, I'm gonna

498
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: get one hundred thousand dollars a year in nil money.

499
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, as a starter my door two years ago to

500
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: sign me. Yeah, I didn't do anything. I'm still the

501
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: same player. I don't know everyone transfers now. I don't

502
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: call anybody out on transferring.

503
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: No, I mean, that's just that's that's just the reality

504
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 2: of today's college football and college athletics period. Guy's transferring

505
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: like that. I I love Drew Sanders. I like his

506
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: fit for the Steelers me too, because of how you know,

507
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: I think he killed He would help kill two birds

508
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: with one stone, even if if he's the starter, Okay,

509
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: that's fine. But if he's not the starter, right, he's

510
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 2: my number one edge rusher coming off the bench, and

511
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: I have a.

512
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: Package for him with Watton, Hot Smith and right, and

513
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: it's not the same, but it's a little bit like

514
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: my Miles Murphy rans like, give me really hard guys

515
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: to block, right, you know, you know he's he's hard

516
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: to play against.

517
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 2: It's kind of the way I looked at my number

518
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 2: five guy on my inside backers list, and that was

519
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 2: Nate Herbig or Nick Herbig. I'm sorry, I look at

520
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 2: him kind of the same way, right, right, you know,

521
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: they're both both of them know how to get to

522
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: the quarterback mm hmm. They you know. The only difference

523
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: with her Big is he's played outside, although they did

524
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: have him, you know, do linebacker drills at the combine

525
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: and things of that nature. And he's super athletic. I

526
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 2: just I think those guys again positionless football. Yeah, I

527
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: could take that guy again. I brought up a chat

528
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: the Steelers taking Chad Brown and bumping him inside, and

529
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: then later in his career they bump him back outside

530
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: and you know, he goes out and gets you know,

531
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: fourteen and a half sacks or whatever it was.

532
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: As long as guys are diligent workers and smart, you know,

533
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: I mean that that plays all day, and your defensive

534
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: front is gonna look a lot different against the Ravens

535
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: than it is against the Bengals, you know what I mean.

536
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing I mean, because of the

537
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: teams in your own in your own division. Yeah, you

538
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: know you're gonna have you have to be able to

539
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: attack teams differently. You can't just go out there, well,

540
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: we run our four to three or three four defense,

541
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: and here it is, and you know it's not, it's not.

542
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 2: It's not two thousand and two anymore. And even in

543
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: two thousand and two, you know when when you tried

544
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: to do that, the Patriots and Raiders came out and said, Okay,

545
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna you're just gonna play with your three four defense.

546
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: We're gonna go three wide receivers and just throw the

547
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: football on you every single down.

548
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And what's your answer for Gronk And

549
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, of course, no doubt. And it was Chiefs.

550
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: I mean she played seven man fronts against the Ravens

551
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: at the end of the year. Sanders would be on

552
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage there, you know, yeah, next to

553
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: Watt or not, you know, outside high Smith or whatever.

554
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: At cornerback. This is pretty Yeah, it's.

555
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: Kind of well, there's a guy from Maryland, not on here,

556
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: not on there.

557
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: So he has Devin Witherspoon number one, Christian Gonzalez number two,

558
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: Joey Porter number three, Cam Smith number four, Emmanuel Forbes

559
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: number five. So yeah, no, uh, all.

560
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: Over the board on cam Smith.

561
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen, you know a lot of a lot

562
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: of mock drafters or a lot of analysts have him

563
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: sliding down deeper. I still like him.

564
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: I like him too. I don't think I could use

565
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: the first round pick on him, but no I don't.

566
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: I don't think I would do that, but it wouldn't

567
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: surprise me if somebody did.

568
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: He's sown heavier than some of these other top corners.

569
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Forbes is the guy to me that

570
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: I just I can't. I have a hard time getting

571
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: past one hundred and sixty six pounds because he's the

572
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: tape is so good, and then I have to keep

573
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: reminding myself this dude was one hundred and sixty six pounds.

574
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: Right, right, right. I mean I feel like if if

575
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: you pass on him, you might regret it for a

576
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, take him, you might regret.

577
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: It for a long time.

578
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: That's kind of the field, you know. Yeah, So you're

579
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: just happier if he goes somewhere else and he's not

580
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: your problem. You know, I really have mixed feelings.

581
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I love the again, I love the

582
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 2: ball skills. They're elite. But one hundred and sixty six

583
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: pound corner does that play in today's NFL?

584
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't.

585
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

586
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: But right right, you know he held up in the

587
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: sec right, no, no question, But like he was, you know,

588
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: not like he was playing, you know, in the in

589
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 3: the mac right right.

590
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: You mentioned I mean it's unfair you mentioned Golson earlier.

591
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: They're not built the same at all. They made, weigh

592
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: the same, but Forbes is six ' one or whatever,

593
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: super long arms. He's just very skinny. I would have

594
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: Banks over Smith and Forbes.

595
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: Though I think so too. The thing that I was

596
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: if I were a team looking at Emmanuel Forbes, I

597
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: want to take a look at his mom and dad.

598
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: That's a huge recruiting thing.

599
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: Like what a mom and dad are? Mom and dad's

600
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: super thin like that, and they've that's just their genetics.

601
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: In a body composition. Stuff's come a long way where

602
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: this guy's still grow I mean, I know they I'm

603
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: talking way below ahead of my pay grade, but I

604
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: do know that things have changed where you measure their

605
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: wrists and all this stuff and say he's probably still growing.

606
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: Or boy, look how big mom and dad are. Maybe

607
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: he's just a late bloomer physically. Or my buddy skip Breaker,

608
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: who I pledged with in my fraternity at UPJ, we

609
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: used to get find him ten bucks if he wore

610
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: shorts in the lobby because he was too skinny and

611
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: he embarrassed all of us. And he could be eight

612
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day and wouldn't have got over

613
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten pounds. Skips the best, But it

614
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: was like, there's just some people that can't put on weight.

615
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: There's just some people that can't put on weight. I

616
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: will say this. Forbes is twenty two. He just turned

617
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: twenty two. You know some guy. Again. People age a

618
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: little differently, they develop a little differently. You know, maybe

619
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: he hits you talk to mom and dad, and dad

620
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: was the same size that. I have a friend that

621
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: when he was a senior in high school, he was

622
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: six foot three and wrestled at ninety eight pounds. I'm sorry,

623
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: he was six to one and wrestled ninety eight pounds.

624
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: By the time he graduated college, he was six three

625
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: and you know, one hundred and eighty pounds.

626
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: Wow.

627
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know some again, some people just developed differently.

628
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: My brother in law, My.

629
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: Brother in law is six ' five, has lived off

630
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: of almost exclusively Copenhagen, Corps, Light and McDonald's. And I

631
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: think he weighs one twenty five. Yeah, like would be

632
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: four hundred pounds.

633
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: The safety position, Matt, And this is one way I

634
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: like this group again. I think because of the way

635
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: the position is now valued, maybe some of these guys

636
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: get pushed down a little bit more. He has Brian

637
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: Branch one, Antonio Johnson two, Jordan Battle three c Yeah, yeah,

638
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: Sydney Brown four, JayR. Brown five. Battle didn't make my

639
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 2: top five, but he just missed. Again. Loved the player,

640
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: but you know, I just love both Illinois safeties too.

641
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: And you know, I don't understand how you can't have

642
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: quez Que or Clump Story Kwan Yeah on this list.

643
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: Unless you call him a corner, Well that would.

644
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: Be that would be the difference. And some people do

645
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: that and I get that, and I get that because

646
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: he is athletic enough to play corner.

647
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: And he probably wouldn't be in my top five corners,

648
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: but he was my two safety.

649
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah mine as well. And that's Kawan Martin by the way.

650
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: For people wondering, I just think he's he's a dynamic

651
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: player again positionless football. I'd have absolutely if the Steelers

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Speaker 2: took him at forty nine. I wouldn't. I would not

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Speaker 2: only have not have a problem with it, I would love.

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Speaker 1: It at forty nine. Yes, I agree. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's in my top thirty two anyway you cut it.

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Speaker 2: But kind of like to Drew Sanders.

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Speaker 1: Conversation, like he can be a corner. Probably don't want

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Speaker 1: to be a corner, but I know he's a slot.

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Speaker 1: He might be Menka's backup if he gets hurt when

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Speaker 1: you have two safeties out there. He's certainly a big

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Speaker 1: nickel guy positions football.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's I think I've compared him to Demante

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Speaker 2: Kyz a little bit. The better comparison might be Cam Sutton.

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Speaker 1: I think he's longer than both of them and more

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Speaker 1: athletic than both.

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Speaker 2: Of them right wise. And he takes the football away

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Speaker 2: and he's played you know, he's he's played all over

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Speaker 2: the defense oft Illinois, and you know it's a really

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Speaker 2: good pass defense. Like, yeah, sign me up for that guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going the second round. He just brings too

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Speaker 1: much to the table.

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Speaker 2: Right right. And I realized, you know, you got Cam

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Speaker 2: Sutton in the third round back in twenty seventeen, but

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Speaker 2: you know he didn't run as well as this guy.

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Speaker 1: He didn't. You know, it was big either. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was all really good corner draft too. I remember when

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Speaker 1: they took Sutton saying most years he goes higher than this. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So to me, I just look at Martin and I

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Speaker 2: think this is a guy that I want. I want

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Speaker 2: to do business with that guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we can find something to do with him. Sure,

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Speaker 1: he's good on special teams. I mean, but that's down

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Speaker 1: the list of what I want him for. He's going

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Speaker 1: to be a major contributor in this defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was Bucky Brooks updated top fives at each position.

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Speaker 2: And well this is if things work out correctly for

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Speaker 2: the Steelers, they should get at least two, possibly three

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Speaker 2: of those guys.

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Speaker 1: Oh very possibly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the way this draft works out, a lot

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Speaker 1: of names that aren't listed that will get drafted in

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Speaker 1: the top three rounds or in the top two rounds,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's again, that's why this is such a

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Speaker 2: fascinating draft. And wouldn't surprise me, give them what the

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Speaker 2: Steelers have done if they try to acquire a couple

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Speaker 2: more picks in those mid mid to late rounds. This

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Speaker 2: is the bigger late Day two, some somewhere in Day

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Speaker 2: two and maybe early Day three pick. Wouldn't surprise me

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Speaker 2: if they try to acquire something there.

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how many were roster spots are

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Speaker 1: available on this team.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the problem too. A lot of these contracts

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Speaker 2: that they gave out in this offseason are easy to

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Speaker 2: get out of.

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Speaker 1: They're easy to get out of and right, and there's

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Speaker 1: players you're not gonna mind that leave the team a

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Speaker 1: year from now and they'll bring you back compiicts and.

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Speaker 2: Not only but you know when you have these veteran

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Speaker 2: guys like that on your roster and then you get

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Speaker 2: into training camp and another team has an injury, yeah,

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Speaker 2: trade those guys.

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Speaker 1: You can trade those guys and people get hurt unfortunately.

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