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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntire.

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Speaker 3: What is up Straight Fire, Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre,

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Speaker 3: Straight Fire for Holy col Wednesday, January second, two thousand

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Speaker 3: and twenty four. Welcome to the New Year. Hope everybody

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Speaker 3: had a safe New Year's Eve. Got a lot of

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Speaker 3: fun notes. Jay, where's the podcast? Come on New Year's Day?

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Speaker 3: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: We got Bowl games?

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Speaker 3: Couple where are you?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: You know, boy needs to take a couple of days off.

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Speaker 3: We would definitely be traveling if the show we're off,

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Speaker 3: but you know the Herd is on no days off

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Speaker 3: this week and listen. I'll say it worked out pretty

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Speaker 3: well with not having a podcast yesterday because, as we'll

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Speaker 3: talk about it briefly later in the pod, NFL did

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Speaker 3: not go great for me Sunday, but fortunately we had

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Speaker 3: to college football playoff games on Monday, and you know,

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Speaker 3: we were expecting two classics and we got like one

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Speaker 3: and a half classics. I will say we'll do Washington

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Speaker 3: and Texas a little bit later, but I was just

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Speaker 3: so frustrated with Texas that in the third quarter I

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Speaker 3: started watching this Netflix movie Leave the World Behind. Apparently

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Speaker 3: it's one of these psychological thrillers and it's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I was just so frustrated with Texas, but we'll get

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Speaker 3: to that shortly. I was on a high for Michigan Alabama.

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Speaker 3: Holy hell, I know you guys were as well. It's

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Speaker 3: just when every single thing goes your way and you

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Speaker 3: get a little lucky and it's amazing theater.

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Speaker 2: It just feels great.

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Speaker 3: And for Michigan to pull that one out in overtime,

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Speaker 3: just everything hit. I'm just so happy for Jim Marbo.

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Speaker 3: I know all these people as soon as I put

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Speaker 3: that on social media, you like a cheater. You're rooting

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Speaker 3: for that cheater. Oh gosh, he's the worst. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: come on, I mean, hardball lost six straight bowl games. Okay,

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Speaker 3: last two times he went to the playoff, he got

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Speaker 3: his butt kicked, and then they lose a heartbreaker to

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Speaker 3: TCU when they were heavily favored, and it was just like,

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Speaker 3: I'm happy for him. I thought this was a great game.

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Speaker 3: And I think you could sum it up in that

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Speaker 3: the bully. Alabama has been a bully in college football

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Speaker 3: for two decades now, since basically Saban got there. The

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Speaker 3: bully got bully. That's what happened. Michigan dominated the line

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Speaker 3: of scrimmage. As we predicted, Michigan basically pushed around Alabama

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Speaker 3: to the point they had six sacks of Jalen Milroe,

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Speaker 3: five in the first half. If you guys remember Georgia

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Speaker 3: only got to Milroe four times the entire SEC Championship game.

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Speaker 3: Michigan two sacks on the first series set the tone.

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Speaker 3: Five in the first half. Six for the game. Just

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Speaker 3: a tremendous effort. They had ten tackles for loss. But

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Speaker 3: here's the best part. So in the pregame ESPN cameras

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Speaker 3: were like following the Alabama lineman and you know, these

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Speaker 3: are the Alabama linemen.

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Speaker 2: They think this stuff.

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Speaker 3: So guess what they decided to put on their headphones

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Speaker 3: and walk on the Michigan sideline before the game. Now,

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Speaker 3: but they were not in or anything. That be's hulking

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Speaker 3: six four six y five monsters, you know, trying to

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Speaker 3: set the tone.

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Speaker 2: We in here were big and they did.

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Speaker 3: The best part is they got destroyed by Michigan at

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Speaker 3: the line of scrimage, the point of attack. They got crushed.

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Speaker 3: But overall it was an awesome game. Michigan tried their

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Speaker 3: best to blow it with massive special teams blunders. I mean,

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Speaker 3: had the missed extra point, like nothing was good. And

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Speaker 3: of course Alabama, which hasn't had a kicker ever, ends

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Speaker 2: And you're like, oh my goodness, what.

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Speaker 3: But ultimately I could not have asked for more. When

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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy, a guy who's been much maligned, what has

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Speaker 3: he done without the cheating stallions? He's done nothing. You

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Speaker 3: saw that dumb CBS graphic. I put it on my

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Speaker 3: ig over the weekend. But it's like everybody's taking shots

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Speaker 3: at McCarthy. He's not a real quarterback. Come on, he's

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Speaker 3: not accurate, blah blah blah. And he gets the ball

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Speaker 3: back a little less than four minutes left, and McCarthy's

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Speaker 3: got to go length to the field against an Alabama

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Speaker 3: They got two defensive ends that are pros. They got

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Speaker 3: the kid kool Aid McKinstry in the secondary. And what

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Speaker 3: That was a heroic TV drive. My McCarthy was nails.

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Speaker 3: was texting the guy who I play in my men's

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Speaker 3: you guys had to have hate this. He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Get warmed up and get loose in case he's got

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Speaker 3: He's not loose. He's just coming in to do some running.

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Speaker 3: And Alabama knew it, and they snuffed it out both times.

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Speaker 3: And finally they kicked that to the curb and JJ

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Speaker 3: then Blake Coorum, you know, look like a beast. If

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Speaker 3: you guys watch somebody, I guess they showed the overhead

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Speaker 3: and he did this incredible jump cut. I'm not comparing

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Speaker 3: just like it was awesome. And I don't know this

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Speaker 3: think they're gonna have some problems in the championship. We'll

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Speaker 3: get to that shortly, but I don't know. It was

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Speaker 3: just one of those I hyped McCarthy's running ability, his

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Speaker 3: It was just a glorious day for people who like McCarthy. Now,

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Speaker 3: this whole Milrose situation is weird. When last we saw

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Speaker 2: They didn't trust him, and it just it.

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Speaker 3: Did not feel like they thought he could deliver for them,

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Speaker 3: so they made you know, they kept it really simple,

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Speaker 3: Michigan was clearly the better team. They nearly blew it

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Speaker 3: thanks to special teams, but ultimately Michigan pulls.

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Speaker 2: Out the dub. I don't know, rub I was super impressed.

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Speaker 2: I love the game.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a classic college football playoff game.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know, I'm happy to see Michigan in

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Speaker 4: Oh, I mean, I can't say I'm happy to see

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Speaker 4: Michigan in the championship. But it was a good game. Actually,

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Speaker 4: you know what, I'm not gonna say it was a

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Speaker 4: good Okay, it was not the best played game. I

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Speaker 4: thought that the nightcap Texas and Washington, even though you know,

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Speaker 4: there was some sloppiness on Texas a part. We'll get

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Speaker 4: to that in a minute, you know, but it looked

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Speaker 1: Over and over and over.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned that the Michigan special teams was just an

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Speaker 4: absolute dumpster fire. I mean it to be to outplay

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Speaker 4: outplayed Alabama in this game, but for to be that

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Speaker 4: close was direct result of poor special teams play. You

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Speaker 4: almost the game stealing safety that was, you know, six

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Speaker 4: nap extra point, and it was just it was a

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Speaker 4: comedy of errors for Michigan. However, their defensive line absolutely

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Speaker 4: wrecked anything that Alabama had going from You mentioned the

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Speaker 4: two undred and eighty eight total yards for Alabama. That

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Speaker 4: is mostly in part because of the sacks and the

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Speaker 4: tackles for loss. They sacked Jalen Milroe six times. They

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Speaker 4: had ten total tackles for loss. The Michigan defense did

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Speaker 4: all right. Milroe was pressured thirteen times on thirty three dropbacks.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it was eerily similar to that Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 4: New York Giants game we saw earlier in the NFL season.

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Speaker 4: It was he was under Siege almost every time he

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Speaker 4: got the snap. And because Michigan's special teams was poor,

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Speaker 4: because Michigan and this might be to come back to

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Speaker 4: Jim Harbass staff got a little too cute at you know,

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Speaker 4: them to have two throwback passes and a flea flicker,

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Speaker 4: can't afford that kind of stuff when the other team has,

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Speaker 4: You know, it's hard for me to get really behind

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Speaker 4: this Michigan. I'm one of those guys, I'll be quite

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Speaker 4: honest with you. Like the cheating scandal, it's not something

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Speaker 4: has been a little unsavory. The way that they've responded

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Speaker 4: to certain things. They kind of had us against the

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Speaker 4: there's now multiple investigations involving their school and their football program.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know how you can play the victim

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Speaker 4: in that regard. But look, they won the game, that's

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Speaker 4: all that matters. I was shocked that they want in

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Speaker 4: the way that they did, because we said on this

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Speaker 4: that I had Alabama as soon as the line came out.

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Speaker 4: I put some money on it. Now but Jason McIntyre money,

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Speaker 4: But I put some money on it and I lost.

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Speaker 4: For them to for me to lose on a fourth

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Speaker 4: and three quarterback power draw play was not the ideal situation.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the other big controversy was was that

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Speaker 4: play call.

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Speaker 1: At that time? What did you think about that?

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Speaker 3: Well, it looked a little bit like I did see

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Speaker 3: a replay where the guard was pulling and Milroe was

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Speaker 3: supposed to take it up the middle and bounce it outside,

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Speaker 3: but the guy from Michigan came off the edge so

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Speaker 3: quickly that I think Milroe just panicked and was like,

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Speaker 3: let me just try to wedge it up the middle

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Speaker 3: and see what I can do. Obviously, you don't like

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Speaker 3: that call because you're extremely limited running into that middle

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Speaker 3: just not a great ending for Saban and Rees.

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Speaker 2: Football is back.

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Speaker 3: Blood in the championship game. You know, like we see,

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Speaker 3: And now we'll get you know, Michigan against the PAC twelve, Well,

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Speaker 3: interesting about the PAC twelve, Rob, is that they're done.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Rob, I as good as I thought.

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Speaker 3: Michigan played like you said, it wasn't a beautiful game.

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Speaker 2: I don't listen.

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Speaker 3: Maybe everybody was too low on Penix.

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Speaker 2: Rob, it's possible.

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Speaker 3: And obviously there's a lot to like about him. He

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Speaker 3: As he's slinging it all over Texas, and you knew

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Speaker 2: They just they weren't very good. But you thought they would.

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Speaker 3: And I just wonder with Pennix rob is there a

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Speaker 3: Underneath, and all of a sudden, like Russ couldn't and

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Speaker 2: Mike go for it.

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Speaker 3: And then like the first series, Pennix's throw into a

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Speaker 3: get it here, and they didn't. I mean, Pennix was

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma or whatever it was. But I mean, Pennis was

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Speaker 3: just tremendous. And I don't I know he's got NFL receivers.

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Speaker 3: Like these guys are super talented, and I'm just I

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Speaker 3: But Vince Vaughn and wedding crashers where they're playing football,

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Speaker 2: I can put the ball anywhere you want.

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Speaker 3: And I'm watching Pennix out there, rob and throw after throw.

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Speaker 2: It's small pockets.

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Speaker 3: It's fifty yards down the field to a guy in stride,

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Speaker 3: he's making every throw. There's not anything that he can't do.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just like, I even saw a little running ability,

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: Quarterback is the toughest position to evaluate, and everybody's a

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Speaker 3: little down on lefties and the injuries Rob. I'm just saying, like,

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Speaker 2: I like Jayden Daniels. I'm just saying, this kid Penix.

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Speaker 3: Right now, after that performance, and let's see against Michigan,

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Speaker 3: don't know, I'm not gonna doubt Michael Penix anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you shouldn't.

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Speaker 4: You know, Michael Penix is gonna be one of those

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Speaker 1: To me is his injury history.

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Speaker 4: Now, he's been healthy the last two years, so hopefully

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Speaker 4: he's moved past that because what we saw last night,

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Speaker 4: Washington is an all world caliber quarterback. You know you

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Speaker 4: because he's so accurate, such great anticipation. Well, Pennix has

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Speaker 4: and he has the arm strength that Tua just quite

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Speaker 4: frankly does not have. So if you could get Tua

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Speaker 4: that's the kind of caliber of talent that Michael Penick

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Speaker 4: Junior is watching him last night and watching him throughout

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Speaker 1: The only hope.

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Speaker 4: Then is that he's able to avoid these injuries and

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Speaker 4: I don't know how many guys I've seen in recent

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's gonna be an incredible matchup. You've got

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Speaker 3: against the best defense in the country. Now it for Michigan,

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Speaker 3: it's a major step up in class. Jalen Milroe is

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Speaker 2: So much running the football.

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Speaker 3: The more you can keep him off the field, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's also he was gonna go down to because

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Speaker 4: He was doing everything he needed to do to get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be a tremendous matchup.

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Speaker 3: Now, Texas fought hard when you were just a little

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Speaker 2: It's just a tremendous game.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Rob, I will say the largest takeaway for me

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Speaker 3: There was no dominant team this year. There just wasn't

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Speaker 3: you can buy stock in Michael Pennix or Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 3: like you can buy stock in college football.

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Speaker 3: Playoff and I don't want to hear what wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: there aren't twelve good teams. I don't care you get

437
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Speaker 3: some of these good coaches. I think can scheme up anything.

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Speaker 3: All you need is one game sixty minutes. Now, the

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00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 3: college basketball we see this all the time. Obviously there's

440
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Speaker 3: way more variants in college basketball at a three pointer.

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Speaker 3: But I just like in the NBA, this stuff doesn't

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Speaker 3: really happen as much. Rob, We've seen it, like you need,

443
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 3: you need to win four of seven. You can fluke

444
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 3: your way to one win, maybe two, seven, very very difficult.

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Speaker 3: So I am super pumped for college football next year.

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Speaker 3: I guess final thoughts, Rob, where are you on the

447
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 3: the whole? Like Nick Saban complaining after the game, we

448
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 3: got to get to the transfer portal. We need to

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Speaker 3: pick up our n like he sounded like he was

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Speaker 3: the kind of guy who was a little salty after losing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's because he's not used to losing, you know.

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Speaker 4: I mean there was a reason why I was so

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Speaker 4: adamant about betting on Alabama when that play was or

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Speaker 4: the game was announced, was because, hey, you give Nick

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Speaker 4: Saban a month to prepare. I don't care who he's

457
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Speaker 4: going against. I'm probably going to pick Nick Saban, right,

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Speaker 4: And so for his team to lose the way they did, again,

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Speaker 4: Michigan outplayed Alabama that entire game, right, and were it

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Speaker 4: not for some miscues on Michigan's part, not really anything

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Speaker 4: that Alabama did, Michigan lost that game or would have

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Speaker 4: lost that game more than Alabama would have won that

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Speaker 4: game on the other way. And so for his team

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Speaker 4: to lose the way that they did, I understand him

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Speaker 4: being even more of a red ass than normal, right,

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Speaker 4: like that that's kind.

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Speaker 1: Of who he is.

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Speaker 4: And so, you know, the one thing I thought was

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Speaker 4: funny was that after the game, everyone was talking about

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Speaker 4: the play call, the fourth down and the quarterback power

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Speaker 4: and Nicole Arbac, who covers football for the Athletic College

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Speaker 4: Sports of the Athletic They interviewed several people on both sides,

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Speaker 4: and you mentioned they had a timeout because Alabama had

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Speaker 4: to play. They liked, Michigan recognizes it.

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Speaker 1: Timeout.

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Speaker 4: They come out with the different formation, same play, and

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Speaker 4: this time when they put the guy in motion, a

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Speaker 4: Nick Saban isn't like as we cast time out. They

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Speaker 4: come to the third time and they had the same

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Speaker 4: play all three times with a different formation, and even

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Speaker 4: the Michigan defenders were saying, we knew as soon as

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Speaker 4: it was empty formation what the play was.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: And so that comes down to coaching. That means that

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Speaker 4: you're too predictable, that you basically got out schemed out

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Speaker 4: coached by the Michigan coaching staff. And this time they

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Speaker 4: didn't have the science dealing to work in their favor.

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Speaker 4: So it was just a flat out loss for the

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Speaker 4: Crimson Tide.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and now we get another week of Jim Harball

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Speaker 3: a lock.

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Speaker 3: to your boy. My worst week of the season, A

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Speaker 3: I had forty two and it landed forty. It landed

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I had forty three and a half A

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Speaker 3: You don't get too down over the losses. However, my

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Speaker 3: big takeaway, and we'll get to some of the other stuff,

531
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Speaker 3: like later in the week, I'm not gonna do Cowboys

532
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: Lions now, that's kind of silly. However, Sunday Night football,

533
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Speaker 3: Jordan Love lights up the Vikings looks really good, and

534
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Speaker 3: Packers are now now in the mix. You know, Week eighteen,

535
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Speaker 3: things break their way, they gotta win. They could sneak

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs, and it's weird. I'm not gonna get

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Speaker 3: into a yet. Cowboys would be a pretty fascinating first

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Speaker 3: round game if Dallas gets to two, which everybody expects.

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Speaker 3: McCarthy against his former team, and Jordan Love has this

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Speaker 3: Packers offense looking kind of sort of good. The defense

541
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Speaker 3: remains terrible. But one of the big things is all

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Speaker 3: these people got upset with me over the weekend when

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Speaker 3: last week I was telling cowhard on the Herd like

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Speaker 3: I'm not in on Jordan Love. Like three years sitting

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Speaker 3: on the bench, you'd expect the guy to come out

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Speaker 3: and just sling it and dominate, and he's been up

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Speaker 3: and down. And here's where it gets interesting, and Packers fans,

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Speaker 3: I need you to just kind of be realistic for

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Speaker 3: a moment. Okay, Jordan Love was pretty damn good. The

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00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 3: numbers say he was like a top twelve quarterback most

551
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Speaker 3: of the season. Now, you did have his low points,

552
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: so just remember that he was played like at the

553
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 3: level of a top twelve quarterback and he had a

554
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: young team, a lot of injuries to Jones and Watson

555
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah. But remember they had he had

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Speaker 3: his rookie deal. They tore up and said, we'll give

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00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 3: you a new one plus one, kind of a prove

558
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 3: it deal. And Jordan Love, who didn't really have a chance,

559
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 3: it was like, yeah, sure, okay. So Jordan Love went

560
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 3: out and proved he's worth a quarterback contract. And a

561
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: lot of people have stacked up the Aaron Rodgers first

562
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Speaker 3: year after sitting versus Jordan Love first year after sitting,

563
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Speaker 3: and they're similar and Jordan Love is kind of better

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Speaker 3: in some of the areas. And Aaron Rodgers signed us

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Speaker 3: I think at the time a six year, sixty three

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Speaker 3: million dollar deal, which was pretty team friendly. And guess what,

567
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 3: Packers won a Super Bowl? They were like, I think

568
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 3: they went to an NFC championship game. They were in

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Speaker 3: the playoffs every year, so we know Jordan Love has

570
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 3: proved it and he kind of did. And the Green

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Speaker 3: Bay Packers, who I mean, I don't know where they

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00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: are with Love, but they went through issues with Farv

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Speaker 3: at the end, with Rogers at the end. Interesting setting.

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Speaker 3: So I floated on social media. Well, the Packers are

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00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: gonna have to They're gonna have to pay him. And

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00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: everybody said no, no, no, no, no, He's got one

577
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 3: more year left. And I was like, guys, no quarterback

578
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 3: is going into his final year of his deal without

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Speaker 3: a new contract.

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00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: They're just not doing that.

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Speaker 3: As evidence, Kirk Cousins, he said, you know what, final

582
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 3: year of my deal and then I'll hit free agency.

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Speaker 3: Ruptures his achilles. Nobody's going after him in free agency.

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Speaker 3: He's not getting a big deal. He missed his window.

585
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 3: He didn't get the security, either from the Vikings or elsewhere.

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00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: He couldn't get it elsewhere.

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Speaker 3: So Jordan Love is gonna go to the Packers and

588
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: be like, all right, guys, going into my final year,

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Speaker 3: let's talk Turkey. And you know, raw, I think Rob's

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00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 3: a realist here. He sees that the Packers gonna be like, well,

591
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: we just restructured you last year. And he's like, yeah,

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00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,719
Speaker 3: you basically said here's a proven deal, and I proved it.

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00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: Now showed me the freaking money. Daniel Jones out here

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Speaker 3: getting about forty per year. Jean Watson like forty six,

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray forty six, guys, I mean I have as

596
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: many playoff wins as Kyler Murray and look at the numbers, they're.

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Speaker 2: Right there with Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 3: Now there's just one year and then, but what do

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Speaker 3: the Packers do, Rob, and I maintain that, you know,

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Speaker 3: they can't say, nope, we're gonna have you play out

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Speaker 3: this certain deal.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you do that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, then then you run the risk of pissing

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Speaker 3: off Love Love saying you know what, I'm gonna hold out.

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Speaker 3: He's in well within his right. He's only twenty five,

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Speaker 3: he's in his prime earning years. They could they could,

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00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: you know, they could really play hardball and say we're

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Speaker 3: just gonna tag you anyway. We'll tag you for the

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00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: next two seasons. Fine, that, by the way, drove Kirk

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Speaker 3: Cousins out of Washington. Look how Washington's done since Cousins left. Like,

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00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: this is not easy. And if you're being a realist,

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Speaker 3: Rob and Jordan Love's agency, by the way, athletes first

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Speaker 3: who represented wait for it, Aaron Rodgers, Like, Rob.

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Speaker 2: You're the Packers.

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Speaker 3: What do you say when Jordan Love comes knocking and

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Speaker 3: says show me the money?

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Speaker 2: Like, what do you do? It's not easy.

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Speaker 1: It's not easy.

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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what, whatever they decide is gonna

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Speaker 4: have a huge impact. Excuse me, what happens this upcoming

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Speaker 4: Sunday night is gonna have a huge impact on what

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Speaker 4: they designed because they're basically at a win and in

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Speaker 4: situation against Chicago at home. Right, Jordan Love first year starter.

624
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 4: You mentioned that, lest we forget though, cheap wide receiver

625
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 4: group in the NFL, cheapest tied end group in the NFL,

626
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Speaker 4: forty plus million dollars dead cap for Aaron Rodgers, and

627
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Speaker 4: most of the season, you know, parts of here and there,

628
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Speaker 4: they were down Aaron Jones, They're down the top two corners,

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Speaker 4: they're down Bout Tari, they're down Christian Watson, they're down

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Speaker 4: their tight end. So with all of that working against him,

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Speaker 4: Jordan Love still performed like a top ten ish quarterback,

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Speaker 4: at least statistically, So he has ammunition if he wants

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Speaker 4: to go to the negotiation table and pound for more money,

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Speaker 4: which I recommend that he should because in the NFL,

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Speaker 4: they don't call them not for long league for nothing. Right,

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Speaker 4: you got to straggle the Aaron his hoh yeah. On

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Speaker 4: the flip side, though, if you're Green Bay, it's just

638
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Speaker 4: one year. It's not like, Hey, we definitely saw enough

639
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Speaker 4: from Jordan Love to declare he's the guy. He came

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Speaker 4: on late at the end and played well early on

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Speaker 4: in the season. The touchdowns didn't really match what the

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Speaker 4: actual quarterback performance was, so to speak. I think we

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Speaker 4: talked about earlier in the season, but he also hasn't

644
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: been terrible. So I think if you're a Green Bay,

645
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: which you're gonna have to do is be willing to

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Speaker 4: get uncomfortable and say no, we are not going to

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Speaker 4: extend you. We are gonna play one more season out

648
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Speaker 4: and then we'll make that decision because we've seen too

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Speaker 4: many teams get burned by this exact scenario. You brought

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Speaker 4: it up, Daniel Jones, is exhibit A, B, and C

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Speaker 4: to this why you do not pay a guy until

652
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Speaker 4: you've seen a longer body of work of successful play.

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Speaker 3: So I'm looking at you know, again, a lot of

654
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Speaker 3: people look at completion percentage, yards all that stuff. What

655
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Speaker 3: the big numbers that seem to matter now are EPA

656
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Speaker 3: and success rate. So I called up this website. It's

657
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Speaker 3: called RBSDM running Backs Still Don'tmatter dot com. Haha.

658
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Speaker 2: Now, as it's gonna.

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Speaker 3: Kill people when they hear this, but number one is

660
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Speaker 3: brock Purty. Number two is Dak Prescott Lamar EPA per

661
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Speaker 3: played by the way lower than Jordan Love.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love checks in.

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Speaker 3: It looks like he is sixth in EPA per play.

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Speaker 3: It's like, whoa, maybe Jordan Love's better. Well, what about

665
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Speaker 3: success rate? Jordan Love forty seven percent a shade below

666
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Speaker 3: mahomes right there with a little bit below Jalen Hurts,

667
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Speaker 3: but he's certainly like top. It looks like top eleven

668
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Speaker 3: and success rate, so like, Jordan Love's been pretty good. Now,

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of these new stats people aren't

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Speaker 3: going to get into. Well, you know one rob air

671
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Speaker 3: yards right, are you dinking and dunking, which is a

672
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Speaker 3: lot of Daniel Jones and running or you you know,

673
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Speaker 3: chucking and ducking? Can you can you push the ball

674
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Speaker 3: down the field? Its flash plays air yards? This is

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Speaker 3: a little surprising. Jalen Hurts eight point four, brock Pirty

676
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Speaker 3: eight point one, Lamar Jackson eight point seven is number one.

677
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Speaker 3: Number two Jordan Love throwing the ball down the field.

678
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Speaker 3: Now he's tied with Baker Mayfield.

679
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Speaker 2: We know Baker. Oh, I'm sorry.

680
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Speaker 3: Jordan Love is number three.

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Speaker 2: CJ.

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Speaker 3: Stroud is number one at nine. We know he's been

683
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Speaker 3: heaving the ball deep. But like Jordan Love is like

684
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Speaker 3: doing this down the field. No more of this checkdown stuff.

685
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Speaker 3: He has graduated from Charlie checkdown early in the season,

686
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Speaker 3: dump off to oh, Christian Watson's down the field. I

687
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Speaker 3: gotta sling it, and he's doing it with as you said,

688
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: Jalen Read Dontavious Wicks, guys like I don't know there

689
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Speaker 3: was somebody named Heath that I don't even know who

690
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Speaker 3: that is. It's just like Hurts is kind of pretent impressive.

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Speaker 2: Now here's the weird thing.

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Speaker 3: Rub Look at the division that he's in. The only

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Speaker 3: quarterback locked in for next year. You could say for

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Speaker 3: sure this team has our quarterback is the Lions of

695
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Speaker 3: Jared Goff, because the Bear's probably drafting one. But I

696
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Speaker 3: guess there's like a twenty five percent chance they keep

697
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Speaker 3: justin Fields. I would say, lower Minnesota, Vikings, Cousins. Where's

698
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Speaker 3: he gonna sign? Does he come back on a cheap deal?

699
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Speaker 3: Do they get in the mix for Russell Wilson?

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Speaker 2: I don't know?

701
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Speaker 3: And then you've got Jordan Love, Like there's a chance

702
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Speaker 3: if you do the right thing here with love. Pay

703
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Speaker 3: him what you should. Is there a case they win

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Speaker 3: the division next year?

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Speaker 4: I mean there's a case they win the division even

706
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Speaker 4: they don't pay him though, right, I mean, like.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, who who's the quarterback? They don't pay him?

708
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Speaker 2: And he says, I'm gonna sit out, But do you really.

709
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Speaker 4: Think he's gonna do that like like one thing that

710
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Speaker 4: we've seen historically.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to call any quarterbacks who have actually

713
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Speaker 4: sat out like that, because.

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Speaker 3: Quarterbacks Lamar Jackson, he was holding out, he was causing

715
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Speaker 3: all this blahb of drama, drama, drama, and the Ravens

716
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Speaker 3: eventually capitulate give him big money. I don't know, he

717
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Speaker 3: didn't necessarily get the fully guaranteed deal, but Rob in hindsight,

718
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: like I should not have half the league going after

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson. Oh he got hurt in the last couple

720
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Speaker 3: of games the last two years.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you could pay him. He's healthy.

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Speaker 2: They gave him weapons.

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Speaker 3: That's the number one team in the league now, right right, So.

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Speaker 4: Couldn't you because you were you were on the Lamar

725
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Speaker 4: Jackson train early.

726
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Speaker 1: Early, early.

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Speaker 2: I wanted the Jets to get him.

728
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Speaker 1: And it's got to hurting out. He's morphed into this season.

729
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Speaker 2: Stings badly.

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Speaker 3: I just I don't see the argument against paying him

731
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Speaker 3: and just saying, you know what the market says, it

732
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Speaker 3: starts with a four, and you know we're gonna structure

733
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Speaker 3: it so you get more later.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: It's got to obviously work for the team, but they're

736
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Speaker 3: not paying any like you said, youngest receivers in the league.

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Speaker 3: They can move off some of these highly paid defenders

738
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Speaker 3: like jay R Alexander, that buffoon. You know. I know

739
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: they need some help on the offensive line, but I

740
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Speaker 3: think they're gonna be an okay shape regardless. Now, Aaron

741
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: Jones might be a cap casualty, but he's never healthy anyway, right,

742
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I just to me, the Jordan Love

743
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: Packers thing is super fascinating to watch.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I guess even though I probably wouldn't

745
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Speaker 4: if it was make a decison, I wouldn't pay him

746
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Speaker 4: right now. The case for paying him is he's closing

747
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 4: the season heading into Week eighteen, sixteen touchdowns, one pick

748
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 4: over the last month and a half. You know, he's

749
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 4: doing this with a hodgepodge of players in and out

750
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Speaker 4: of the lineup, never really having his full squad in

751
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Speaker 4: front of him. And to your point, they're so cheap

752
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 4: around him, so if you're going to miss and miss big,

753
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 4: you have to do so knowing that you can work

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Speaker 4: around it in other areas. And because everybody else at

755
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 4: least their key players are either expiring and leaving Ala

756
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 4: Aaron Jones, AJ Dillon could be cap moved on, I

757
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 4: believe for free at the end of the season. I

758
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,919
Speaker 4: think ACTU think AJ Dillon's a free agent, to be honest,

759
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 4: after this season. I think Bactiari they can move off

760
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: of pretty cheaply this offseason if they wanted to. And

761
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Speaker 4: he hasn't been healthy anyways for the last two plus seasons,

762
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: so they have such a cheap roster around him that

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Speaker 4: they could stomach a forty plus million dollar number and

764
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Speaker 4: even frontloaded for that matter, make it a huge cap

765
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Speaker 4: number in twenty twenty four and have it, you know,

766
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Speaker 4: drop down later and do the inniverse that everyone else

767
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Speaker 4: does and still be okay. I just don't know if

768
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Speaker 4: I personally would be able to stomach mat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty much with you on this.

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Speaker 3: One other thing that's jumped out around the league is this, Like,

771
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Speaker 3: what do you do if you're the Niners this week

772
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: rivalry game against the Rams. You got the number one

773
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 3: seed locked up, McCaffrey's dinged, you got the defensive line dinged. Like,

774
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Speaker 3: I'm fine with sitting everybody, but Rob, I just want

775
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: to remind people you're now sitting for two straight weeks

776
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Speaker 3: with the Buye. I I trust Shanahan, he's really really good.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I just I don't know if

779
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Speaker 3: you can sit guys for two straight weeks. Same with

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Speaker 3: the Ravens now they're very beat up. They come out

781
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 3: of that Miami game they were down to like three

782
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: healthy defensive backs. But again two weeks out and listen,

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00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 3: I know people love Lamar and the Ravens. Yes, obviously

784
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 3: we've seen them lay some eggs in the postseason. No, Like,

785
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: I'm kind of in the play guys for a quarter, but.

786
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: There's no way I'm playing Williams right like, you can't

788
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 3: risk but obviously see mac if he's got the CAF,

789
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: he said him, probably sit Debo. And then again it's like,

790
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 3: why am I playing Brock Purdy behind an inferior rush

791
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: facing Aaron Donald like something could happen and then playoffs

792
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 3: forget it.

793
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of those questions that we're really gonna

795
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 4: be talking about all week because you go back even

796
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 4: to the Peyton Manning era of Colts and that that

797
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 4: was something that they wrestled because they'd almost always clinched

798
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 4: pretty early in the season because the division wasn't very good.

799
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: Same thing with the Patriots, and so trying to decide

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Speaker 4: whether or not you would play these guys in a

801
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 4: meaningless game was always a tough situation. And I remember

802
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: the Colts having that issu where they would sit guys

803
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 4: they wouldn't play for two weeks and.

804
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Speaker 1: They'd come out sluggish.

805
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 4: Now they might not always lose, but they'd be sluggish.

806
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 4: That happened with Aaron Rodgers Packers more recently. So that

807
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: is something that they're gonna have to decide. And I

808
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 4: think it's more controversial for the Ravens than the Niners,

809
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Speaker 4: if only because, like you mentioned, the last time they

810
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 4: were in this position twenty nineteen, Lamar's unanimous MVP season,

811
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Speaker 4: they had come off the buy and they laid an

812
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 4: absolute egg against the Titans. It was one of the

813
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Speaker 4: worst performances I had seen relative to expectations that they

814
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: were blowing the doors off of everyone that season, and

815
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Speaker 4: it's like they looked like it was week one of

816
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: the preseason. They were a jumbled mess on offense. Defensively,

817
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 4: they weren't as tight as they wanted to be, And

818
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Speaker 4: so I think for them it's going to be a

819
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 4: more important decision than the I think the Niners, you know,

820
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: not that they're like a veteran steadier team, but just

821
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 4: because the history is not against them in the same

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Speaker 4: way it is against Balston.

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Speaker 3: I guess we could wrap up with this one, like

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Speaker 3: I know, we covered the Ravens and Niners, but also

825
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: the Wildcart kind of matters. Like we're looking at a

826
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Speaker 3: Lions Rams first round game that's scintillating. So those two

827
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 3: teams I saw sixty one percent that they're gonna face off.

828
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 3: That's the highest probability of the Wildcart matchups. Second most

829
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Speaker 3: is Brown's Jags.

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00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: I mean, at what.

831
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Speaker 3: Point do you fear the Lions consider sitting some guys,

832
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: you know, if you I mean Matt Stafford gets dinged up,

833
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: forget it, Cooper Cup, It's over. Kyraen Williams like, it's

834
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: really difficult. I'm glad I'm not in this situation. Rob.

835
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Speaker 3: There are no right answers except if you're Philly. You

836
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 3: got you gotta play guys to get right because they

837
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 3: look so bad. They're leaking oil so badly right now.

838
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Philly and Kansasy, the two teams who are

839
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 4: defending Super Bowl appearance. Guys are once who I would say.

840
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: I know it's a risk, but you gotta play your

841
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 4: guys because you have not looked good now since October

842
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 4: either one of those teams. Obviously, the the Chiefs have

843
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: been winning, but they don't they haven't looked good. Yeah, right,

844
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Speaker 4: and the Eagles obviously haven't looked good. I think they've

845
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 4: lost what four in a row or four to five

846
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: something like that, So yeah, they really got to get

847
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 4: things tightened up.

848
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Speaker 3: All right, We are back tomorrow heavy on the NFL playoff. Yeah,

849
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Speaker 3: we'll talk to you then,