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Speaker 1: bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't

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Speaker 1: predict anything, Jimmy darn How how many um when the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks got like, how many pizzas did it cost you?

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Speaker 1: When the Seahawks lost one of their playoff games? How

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Speaker 1: many pizzas? Oh goodness, it's gotta be thousands of pizzas.

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Speaker 1: It's quite a few because I had all that to go,

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Speaker 1: the carryouts of phone rings out the wall for several

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Speaker 1: hours a super Bowl games, being a Seattle pizza man,

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Speaker 1: it's with the Seahawks and the super Bowl. It's a

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Speaker 1: good day selling some pizzas. I was. I didn't go

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Speaker 1: to work the next day output to that way. It

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Speaker 1: was because just you're depressed about business done if I

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Speaker 1: feel it? Oh? Absolutely, Yeah. The team does well and

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Speaker 1: it's good for the Hawks. It's good for me. We

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Speaker 1: well when we see him, the players, players coach. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy dorn Um, do you remember how we met? I do, so.

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Speaker 1: I moved to Seattle and I put up a thing

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Speaker 1: I moved to Seattle, And unbeknownst to me, Jimmy Doran,

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Speaker 1: who's in the pizza business, can we tell the name

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Speaker 1: of your pizza, Playtown Pizza. Jimmy Dorn was in the

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Speaker 1: pizza business, owns Belltown Pizza. Unbeknownst to me, he says

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Speaker 1: email and saying, hey man, I saw uh, Steve moved

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Speaker 1: And I walked in with my kid just to order

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Speaker 1: around like, I don't really understand. Man. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people here eat pizza, and we've been we've been

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Speaker 1: friendly ever since. But the thing I wanted to ask you,

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Speaker 1: so this has nothing to do with uh, hunting and

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Speaker 1: they just like got kicked out with it? Was it

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Speaker 1: the playoffs? Playoffs? Sex they lost the game they did.

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Speaker 1: That's got like that sucks for a pizza man, right, Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: spot for it, and uh yeah absolutely. When we lose,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's over a lot significantly less people

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Speaker 1: come out next week. So if it's a game night

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Speaker 1: we're selling pizzas now, Oh yeah, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: why it's, like said, very fortunate. We've had a pretty

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Speaker 1: so it's definitely been a boom, especially it comes to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, always called January February. Getting in the first

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Speaker 1: high clover. Scott's all right, all right? So that that

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Speaker 1: that's the lovely and beautiful Jimmy darn Um. They'll Tom

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Speaker 1: bench bade knife company. I'm the director of marketing and

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Speaker 1: I love hunting and fishing, big fan of the show

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Speaker 1: and drove up here this morning. Came up to do

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Speaker 1: You know, now, the last time you were here, did

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Speaker 1: an obsessive fisher of smallmouth bass. No. The only thing

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Speaker 1: for you Land. Okay, Easterners like Steve Ronella and others

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Speaker 1: put their trust and liberal politicians, well us Oregon hunters

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Speaker 1: and fishermen know how they preserve our soul called public lands.

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Speaker 1: They gat them with huge steel gates and tell us

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Speaker 1: that we can still use them. You just have to

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Speaker 1: Hollywood stars and camera crew, I'm sixty five years old

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Speaker 1: Steve Ronnella probably has a helicopter drop him and his

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Speaker 1: a question statement? I love that guy. That guy, We're

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Speaker 1: do that. Um. But why is it one way for everybody?

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Speaker 1: Like this? This this dogma? Right, it has to be

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Speaker 1: for multiple use. And I think that's the bottom line

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Speaker 1: Hollywood cronies, Oh yeah, with their helicopters. That's what it is, right,

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Speaker 1: was enjoying the hunts again, and like that hunt in

426
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 1: the place where I got to go chase that credit around,

427
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: Like God, that made my whole season for me. And

428
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: then that last little thing that happened. But though actually

429
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: you didn't want to get around, oh I did. I did,

430
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: And that you did, I mean, and you know, um yeah,

431
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: so I just but if you're going out, like if

432
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: you want to be successful every single day, I think

433
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: that's a that's not that's not a good bar to

434
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: measure yourself by. But let's just say the fella. Let's

435
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: just say the fella didn't articulate this question quite like

436
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: you wanted to, and he's just saying, like, what are

437
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 1: some tips, Like, let's just say this, and there's nothing

438
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: wrong with this. Let's say there's a guy and you

439
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: know he's got you know, every year he gets a

440
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: week off, he's got a week off. His primary thing

441
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 1: is he wants to have the experience of, you know,

442
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: killing his own meat. That's like his primary thing. He's

443
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 1: more interested in what's gonna happen after the hunting. During

444
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: the hunt, just really wants to have that happen. And

445
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: he's like, I have no idea, what's a good approach.

446
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 1: I would say, if that's case, and I'm not condemning

447
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: this at all, especially nearly as vocally as Land condemned

448
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: with poor fella, I'm not condemned that at all, And

449
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: I would you're putting in different context now though I

450
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: would be looking at I would be looking at uh

451
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: antler lists hunts, hunts where even if it wounds up

452
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 1: being a hunt where there's no antlerd season in at all,

453
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,640
Speaker 1: and it's just an antlerless hunt, because that really reduces

454
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: the amount of pressure that's out there. And another thing

455
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: is you might be hunting an area whether there's a

456
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: there's enough of a surplus of animals that they're actually

457
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: actively trying to lower the population, which is sort of code,

458
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: not a hardly concealed code for shiploads of critters on

459
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: the ground. Right now, most most department efficient wildlife will

460
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: UH make available in their regulations or at least on

461
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: their websites what success rates are in different units in

462
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 1: the state freage game species to such a good place

463
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: to look, And you're right, Usually the the antler lists

464
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: hunts are the ones that have the highest success rates. Yeah, yeah,

465
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: you can. You can go that. That's the things if

466
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: you are looking at like a long term thing. Matt's right.

467
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean you can find a published information like I

468
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: can tell you a non like you go look and

469
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: you'll find some of the lowest success rates are non guided,

470
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: non resident archery elk hunts. Where it winds up being

471
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: that you got I mean, I'm not joking six seven

472
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: percent success rate. So if you're like, I gotta make

473
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: it happen, and you look and you see a six

474
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: or seven percent success rate, that's not for you. You're

475
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 1: never gonna if you see percent success rate, it's probably

476
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 1: something where it's like, you know me, it's like some

477
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: mountain goat hunt. There's a hundred and fifty goats on

478
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: the mountain. They give out two tags. You know, it's

479
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: just like not something is gonna generally come up. It's

480
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: more of a once in a lifetime hunt thing. I

481
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: think if you see hunts where there, um, if you

482
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: look and there's a hunt, it's a fifty success rate,

483
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: that's a very high success rate. That's kind of saying

484
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: like it's a pretty pretty good hunt. This is all

485
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 1: making you uncomfortable. No, No, I think I think it's

486
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: not making me uncomfortable. I think there's lots of other

487
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: things that make that success to write, like doing a

488
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: lot of pre scouting of your area, um, and uh,

489
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, being out there and I'm trying different strategies

490
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: and things aren't working. I mean there's I think there's

491
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: plenty of other things that go into that. UM. But

492
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: I guess I was uncomfortable with that. I thought we

493
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: were talking about like every single time you go out

494
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: hunting right like, and you're gonna be successful. And I

495
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: think that's a that's a bar you don't really want

496
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: to put on yourself. Yeah, I know, we wrote seven

497
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: pages about it. Yeah, the guidebook series. But yeah, choosing

498
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: easier species, I mean, certainly you're gonna have better odds

499
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: at killing a white todo you do a cow, which

500
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: is easier. This guy is saying, I thought we had

501
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: is for Why do you mainly rifle hunt? Is it

502
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 1: because it is a pain in the asked to attempt

503
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: to bow hunt with a camera crew. Largely yes, largely yes,

504
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: thinking about that, Johnnie, it takes a lot more time. Um,

505
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: you gotta have a cameracruit. It's like, here's the trick

506
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: this is. This is a show business thing, um, camera.

507
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: Everybody's out there to do their job right. You're out

508
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: there to hunt to the best of your ability. They're

509
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: out there the film to the best of their ability.

510
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: They are always under pressure between filming for a good

511
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: show and getting their coverage and filming for a successful hunt.

512
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: Those two things are not the same thing, even though

513
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: I argue to them, if you want to have something

514
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: to film, let's get a shot at an animal and

515
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: kill it. Then we'll have all kinds of stuff to film.

516
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: Caught it up, eating it, you know. But they don't

517
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: see it that way. So camera guys are the hunter's

518
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: worst enemy. You don't agree with real bad enemy. I

519
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: think camera guys are a real bad enemy. What about

520
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: those times is when the camera guys like spot game? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

521
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: that's they they do spot game. Now, the reason we

522
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: called but you honest isn't a camera guy, but he

523
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: is the eagle because he spots an extraordinary amount of game.

524
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: That's great, that's great dirt myth. He the poor fella.

525
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: I mean he's working on it, but he's getting laceick

526
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: here like in a month or so. I mean poor.

527
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: But the bastards about blind too, So you gotta like

528
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: you know that that you know, I don't want to

529
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: be too hard on him. But no, camera guys they

530
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: want to get the shots. Man. You know, you'll be

531
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: like all hunkered in and you and also you turn

532
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: around realizes of just standing there because they can't see

533
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: and they're doing their job. But you've almost always been

534
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: like a pragmatic hunter where you're like, unless it's better

535
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: for the hunt, better for me that I can choose

536
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: right full over bo choose rifle. Yeah, I'm interested in

537
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: bow hunts that are only bow hunts. Like, if there's

538
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: a if I if I'm doing a hunt and you're

539
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: allowed to use anything, I'm probably gonna go with, um,

540
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: what's comfortable to me and what has the greatest efficacy,

541
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, Like I sell them. Uh. I have plenty

542
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: ways in which I kind of handicapped myself, but yeah,

543
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: I sell them. Um. I think to myself like, oh,

544
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, it would be a lot more challenging if

545
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: I brought my boat. I'm generally like, if it's a rifle,

546
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use my rifle. I bow hunt when it's

547
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: an archery season. Yeah, And a lot of like serious

548
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: bow hunters are just gonna bring their boat. Matt, We're

549
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: gonna go bear hunt in the spring, and this guy

550
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: can't decide his brain is bow or his gun even

551
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: though it's a rifle hunt. I'm having time having a

552
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: hard time with that, and I'm talking about it with

553
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: your wife and your therapists. I was telling you We're

554
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: on Alaska hunt and I brought my bow and there

555
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: we had a rifle there, and I just I had

556
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: originally set out this is what I'm trying to figure out.

557
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: It's like, am I going to intend on the rifle

558
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: hunt or the bow hunt, because what I don't want

559
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: to do is intend on a bow hunt. In a

560
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: last guy, I intended on bow hunting. I had in

561
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: mind that I was going to take a bear with

562
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: a bow. And there was a moment in time when

563
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: the guy said, you want to use a rifle? Guy

564
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: was with I said, no, you know, I don't want

565
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: to use a rifle because I would rather go home

566
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: without the bear and and feel the success of the

567
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: bow hunt, the experience back to defining success then to

568
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: shoot the bear with a rifle and not have gotten

569
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: what I came for, which wasn't necessarily because at least

570
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: set your mind I'll to do something, you're gonna do it? Yeah, yeah,

571
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: at least see it through. And then your wife bossed

572
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: your balls about it. She was yeah, she Well, I

573
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: got home and she's like, what do you mean, like

574
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: I want I would have loven the bear rug she wanted.

575
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: She wanted to have a bear rugs, but we didn't

576
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: discuss that in advance. So and you and you uh

577
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: shattered her dreams. I did, I shattered. I shattered her dreams.

578
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: Uh can I can I tell a quick story? So?

579
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: So archery I'm you're thinking archery versus rifle and the

580
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: cameraman thing. I spent a few years in Alaska doing

581
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: some guiding on the fishing side, and I remember I

582
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: had my clients in the boat one time we look

583
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: over and there's some guys on the bank, can't with

584
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: the camera crew, and they're catching chinook. They're hooking chinook

585
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: on conventional tackle and then dragging them over to the beach,

586
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: pulling them up, and then hooking a fly. Oh yeah,

587
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: hooking a fly into the fish and yeah, and then

588
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: and then rolling camera hooked up on fly rods. You ship, no,

589
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: not should yet. I think that there's yeah, not at all.

590
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: That's a little bit sad. Yeah, it was terrible. So

591
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: with an analogy, you think about shooting one with a

592
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: rifle and then act like you try with the book. Absolutely,

593
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: that certainly happens. So yeah, oh there's yeah, I mean,

594
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: there's immense Yeah. I mean it's just like I think

595
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: people even do stuff they don't that they would find distasteful,

596
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: and there's certain amounts of pressures on you. I think

597
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: that like one of the one of the nice things

598
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: about the setup we have doing our show, as we've

599
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: kind of just through experience like alleviated or steered clear

600
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: and learned to avoid a lot of those pressures that

601
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: make you feel like you like need to somehow perform.

602
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: Like there's no company, you know, there's no company that

603
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: we work with. It will ever be like, hey man,

604
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: we really need you to pick it up and shoot

605
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: a gigantic buck. It's just like not something that you

606
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's just not gonna happen. It's

607
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. I wouldn't be open to the conversation anyways.

608
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: But I think it's I think some people maybe look

609
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: at it that way when they're kind of looking at

610
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: sort of the industry or whatever that you sort of

611
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: need to make your name on, like shooting giant ship.

612
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure some people probably have, you know, made a

613
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: name for themselves because they are phenomenal hunters. Um I

614
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: never made the claim to be one people want to see.

615
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: It's things that are more relatable, I think, anymore more approachable.

616
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: It's like sometimes failure is appealing in some way, and huh,

617
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: it's like the person that kicked off this conversation in

618
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: some ways, like you don't necessarily need you un necessarily

619
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: need success or at least from the question before the

620
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: success can be defined a lot of ways, and and

621
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: for a lot of us, like we don't have success,

622
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: often don't have success. And so when I watch a

623
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: TV show and somebody's just knocking everything down, there are

624
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: always chasing it, just it's harder to relate to Yeah, yeah,

625
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: I find out. Um we got into this. We were

626
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: very reluctant about running what we call skunkers episodes that

627
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: you don't get anything and uh. And the first time

628
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: we ever put a skunker up, I was petrified. I

629
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: was like, man, you can't. This can't be a show.

630
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: No one's gonna And people loved it because they still

631
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: was different to see like a skunker episode because they're like, dude,

632
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: most times, I go on, I don't get anything, Like

633
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: that's true with everybody in the world. Well, you know,

634
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: growing up is like archery deer season start October one.

635
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: We hunt pretty hard with our bows all through archery season.

636
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: Then November fifteenth would come out and you had a

637
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: ten day rifle season. You do hunt pretty are hard

638
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: for the rifle season. After that you'd hopefully pick it

639
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: back up and get out a few more times in

640
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,720
Speaker 1: your bowl until January one. If you got a deer,

641
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: you were it was good. If you got two deer,

642
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: you were kicking ass. After many, many many days in

643
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: the field, you know, to have a deer coming to

644
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: range was a big night. Almost had a shot, No ship,

645
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: you always had a shot. Yeah, dude, so close. You know,

646
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: it's like sweet. You know, you were invigorating. So I think, yeah,

647
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of you know, it's still like that,

648
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: except we just don't you don't see it. Oh, of course,

649
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: it's still like that for everybody out there. It's like Facebook,

650
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: Like people put on their best face on Facebook, right,

651
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: you know, you don't see very often somebody like like

652
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: talking about how bad things were, you know that day.

653
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 1: It's always like your best foot forward. And so that's

654
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: like a lot of this stuff. Like here's me in

655
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: my bathroom realizing that toilet papers are all gone, trying

656
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: to think of what a property, what an appropriate avenue

657
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: about used to have vacation. Here's a good one, man,

658
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: This is contentious. I'm gonna talk about it for a

659
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: quick second though. How would a wall across the Mexican

660
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: border impact wildlife? Who? Now, on the preface, this note,

661
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: this Feller is not It does not say how would

662
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: a wall across the Mexican border impact jobs? Okay, he's

663
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: not saying how about a wall across the Mexican border

664
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: impact international relations? He's not saying that how would a

665
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: wall across the Mexican border impact wildlife? Um? So pulling

666
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: that question completely outside of it's of the broader implications

667
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: of the wall. Just speaking of wildlife, it would be

668
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: there's a handful of species in that area. There's three

669
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: large predators in that area that move back and forth

670
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: between Mexico and the US mountain lions, black bears, jaguars,

671
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: and like as we speak, there are jaguars in the US.

672
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: They come up into Arizona and um and you have

673
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: you know of course that you know it could be

674
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: the Mexican wolf coming back and forth. Um people are

675
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of arguments that we made

676
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: for and against having more jaguars in the US. Uh.

677
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: You know, I tend to really love the idea of it.

678
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: If you did the wall, you're gonna whatever's gonna happen

679
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: down the road with jaguar recovery is gonna not happen

680
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: because the jaguars that are coming in to the US,

681
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: are coming from Mexico. At this point, it's always been males.

682
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: It's been like far wandering males that could wind up

683
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: in Arizona, New Mexico, West Texas. So that wouldn't happen

684
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: anymore if in fact, you had like if you did

685
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: the impossible and had sort of this this um this

686
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: like impenetrable wall all extending across the entire border, which

687
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: I think that you know, is not gonna happen in

688
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: our lifetime. I don't think I think most people would

689
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: say that just the financial you know, just the burden

690
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: of building that financially, it's not gonna happen. But yeah, man,

691
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: it would be Uh, it would be not good for um,

692
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: any large mammal and it would really impede jaguar recovery.

693
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: And it would impede genetic exchange, you know, across it

694
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 1: would be like you're anywhere you're going make an impenetrable barrier, um,

695
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna really impede genetic exchange between animals. Again, I

696
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: want to clarify, I'm not this isn't a political question,

697
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: it's an ecological question. And uh, you can go find

698
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: a lot more out a lot more about that. I

699
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: remember years ago when I was working in my Buffalo book,

700
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: I went to a sort of international bison conference, which

701
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: means it had people from Mexico, they had people from

702
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: uh Canada, and then a lot of people from the US.

703
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: And I went to a lecture where a guy was

704
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: lecturing on the potential for recovery of bison or buffalo

705
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: and and he also addressed the idea of of of

706
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: a border wall and what that would mean for in

707
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: the future as we look to expand recover big game populations.

708
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: Anyone else want to add to that. I was curious,

709
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: are the animals that use it currently as a migration

710
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: route will would shut anything down that's already taking place

711
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: and doing well? Oh like things that are already kicking,

712
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: as would imagine, probably always see some lessening. But I

713
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: don't know that there's like a population that's that there's

714
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: a population of animals that's like good now and would

715
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden become bad with the wall. I

716
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: can't think of an example like that. The thing you

717
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: most hear about when that subject comes up is you

718
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: most hear about jaguars. Um it's just a matter of

719
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: time to the female. You know, a female jaguar is

720
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: going to come across and and you're gonna have uh,

721
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some mammals. There's I guess I could

722
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: be wrong with this book came out. It's like a

723
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: bunch of the most influential trail cam photos taken the

724
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: collection of trail camp photos from around the world. In

725
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: there is a trail cam photo of a jaguar in

726
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: the snow and the caption says it's the only image

727
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: of a jaguar in the snow. It was taken in Arizona.

728
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: I can't speak to jaguars. I don't know who. Hell

729
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: a lot of bad moments, are they big big cat?

730
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: My kids know they know a bad mofo, but they

731
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: don't know what I actually stand for. And they talk

732
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: a lot about bad You can talk about a lot

733
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: of animals being bad mofos. The English teacher is gonna

734
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: send home a note Jimmy needs to know what my

735
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: kids really struggling right now. He learned he heard like

736
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: he overhears a lot just because he spends a lot

737
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: of time around fellows, you know, and he picked up

738
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: that there's a thing called bullshitting, and he picked up

739
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: there's a thing called the bull shitter, and he's not

740
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: clear on why it's okay for bullshitting, but to be

741
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: a bullshitter is very bad. He was seeking some clarification

742
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: on that recently. It's awesome it's in that up that

743
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: there is a difference, because I was, Yeah, I used

744
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: to say to him like what it was. You know,

745
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: like kids, you want to carry him on your shoulders.

746
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: It's easier to carry on your shoulders. But with mine,

747
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: they always got to the point where the didn't want

748
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: to do that anymore, that they really wanted to be

749
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: on your hip. And I would say, you want to

750
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: be down here so he can be as and so

751
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: he just say like he wants to be as, which

752
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: meant he wants to be He just saw like a

753
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: term for being on my hip. And then one day

754
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: he like put together that b s and was bullshit.

755
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: And then he got to hearing like, oh, he's such

756
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 1: a bullshitter. I can't stand that guy that kind of sentence,

757
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: and he's like, whoa blow in his mind? You're at

758
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: that bullshit? It was good bullshit, that's good. It's bullshitters, Hey, Jimmy,

759
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: don't here's good before you this. This might be good

760
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: for you because I think that you're you're experiencing the

761
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: pizza business. You're ready, Yeah, I'm ready. Do you have

762
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: any tips as far as the process of carrying and

763
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: smoking He's referring to me. I've read cold smoke and

764
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: can cause bochuli is um and make people sick, So

765
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: I won't be sure to know what I'm doing. You

766
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: deal with any botchuli is um. No bochlism operates at Beltop.

767
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: It's absolutely zero boschling free. Like it's a bochelism free zone.

768
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: It is a free zone. You know. I don't know

769
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: much about smoking. I do know that it's really good

770
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: to have a friend who's really good at smoking and

771
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: you just kind of hand them everything and then get

772
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: it back later. Yeah. I do save practices, Mattie, smoke much.

773
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't, well, just fish mostly. Yeah. I tried to

774
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: smoke some cheese the other day and then I opened

775
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: up my smoker and had a big puddle of it. Yeah,

776
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: my my little chief. I don't think if somebody has

777
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: a tip on how to smoke cheese and guessing involves

778
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: a lower temperature. Yeah, but I don't This thing is

779
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: one of those like you plug it in or you

780
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: unplug it, you know, all right, right, yeah, that's all

781
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: we have any more sophisticated as the kids, like if

782
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: you didn't have a little chief, you weren't smoking. Yeah,

783
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna answer this without answering it. I'll say that, Um,

784
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: there's a science of this, Okay. These these are not

785
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: like bosl um and other food born ailments, are not

786
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: mysterious anymore. Um. There we have very concrete understanding of

787
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: what temperatures you need to avoid, how many minutes things

788
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: can be at such and such temperature. Um, how long

789
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: you know what you need to do to make stuff safe.

790
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: It can be as simple as making cold smoked salmon

791
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: that the product never gets above a certain temperature. Should

792
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: it get above that temperature and become, you know, a

793
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: bacterial breeding ground, then you need to make sure to

794
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: pass through a medium threshold and go up into where

795
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: you're then kill anything by getting it plenty hot enough. Um.

796
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: So my advice is just to get like a good

797
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: book that breaks this stuff down and follow the guidelines

798
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: because it's not it's not like a thing where it's

799
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: like you don't play it by field. I mean, these

800
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: things are very spelled out. There are food safety UM

801
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: guidelines that you should follow. I feel that some of

802
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: would take a little bit too far, like if you

803
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: go and look at uh well, which is a good thing,

804
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: So something's taken too far, which means you're gonna be

805
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: extra safe. Some of the stuff I ignore a little bit, like,

806
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: for instance, if you if you were to go on

807
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: do a you know, uh, some websites you look up,

808
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: like I want to make my own jerky, you'll find

809
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: that they always say like, oh, you need to to

810
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: quickly boil the meat before you make jerky, or you

811
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: need to then put it in the oven afterward and

812
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: bring it up to a hundred and sixty five degrees. Right,

813
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: I just like, don't do that. But these are people

814
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: who are telling you here's how to be absolutely safe

815
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: all the time. It's the same people who don't uh

816
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: let their kids taste cookie dough because there's a raw

817
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: egg in there. Right, you're never gonna you know, you're

818
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: never gonna regret doing it, except for like a flavor way,

819
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: but it could be overkilling certain instances. But this is

820
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: coming from a guy who's gotten sick by not following

821
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: basic guidelines I mean me, you know, I've gotten sick

822
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 1: by not following basic guidelines on stuff. But um, it's

823
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: just not that hard, Like if you look at how

824
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: to like do whatever you're fixing to do, like carrying smoking,

825
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: if you look at how to do it, well, these

826
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: aren't like mysterious things that are not difficult. I think

827
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: the one area where you kind of can get into

828
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: troubles with a lot of like you know, like you're

829
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: saying cured stuff, um, where you have an item that's

830
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: essentially raw sitting around for a whole long time, you

831
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: should follow some basic guidelines, which suggests that it is risky.

832
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: Is you know a lot of restaurants aren't set up

833
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: to do that kind of stuff, Like you're not making

834
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 1: your own No, no, no, I wouldn't take the risk.

835
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: I know it to be done, but just not in

836
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: my place. For sure. We buy like um, buy from

837
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: a repulable purveyor like that. Yeah, I mean just the

838
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: the labor involved in actually manufacturing that product would probably

839
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: be cost prohibitive anyhow. So I got a buddy that

840
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: does make e sausage, He has a restaurant, does produce

841
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: his own charkoo tree. Is um, you know, spend a

842
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: lifetime around that stuff. And he I don't want to

843
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: name him, but he's remarkably sort of blase about the

844
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: whole thing. He's like, I watch all for black fuzzy

845
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: mold Byrne. I'm eating it all right, but yeah, any

846
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: add Johnnie, Nope, no, okay, I've only made burger and

847
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,919
Speaker 1: steaks from the deer I've killed. What recommendations would would

848
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: you make to begin the journey into more adventurous cuts

849
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: and meals? Yeah? Good question, let me hear you want

850
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: to hear it again? No, no, I got it. Um.

851
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: The two to come to mind would be shanks. What

852
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: you could do either whole or asabuko mean, you just

853
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,479
Speaker 1: take your shame and cut it into disks and then

854
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: brownet braises. We're gonna take the whole shank and just

855
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: brown it and braise it. And I like those were

856
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: And then the other one too that I'll mention is

857
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,959
Speaker 1: the neck. I like both of these cuts because they're

858
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: super easy. Like once my wife figured out how easy

859
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: it is to braise, this is like now her like

860
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 1: go to thing because you don't have to think about it.

861
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: It's like in the morning, like after breakfast, you're like,

862
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 1: all right, quick brown into the crock pot or into

863
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: the Dutch oven, and don't want to think about it

864
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: again until five. Yeah, it'll be ready in four hours.

865
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: It'll be good still in twelve exactly. So yeah, we

866
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: had a neck roast the other day. A lot of

867
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: times I'll be like, just put it in the crock

868
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: pot and I'll figure out how to finish it at

869
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: five when I get home, like I'll have like this hot, seasoned,

870
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: well cooked, falling apart, falling off the bone meat, and

871
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to take it to like the final

872
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: you know, presentation, but I can roll in. And I

873
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: looked in there and I was like, you know, we've

874
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: never done classic pot roast. So I'm like, all right,

875
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: some carrots, few potatoes, like half a million, finish that

876
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: off and then through like side of peas. We had

877
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: like classic pot roast. It's great. I used to look

878
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: when I looked at my freezer, I used to like

879
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: to see all the like loin and then your sir loins,

880
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, like the basically your back leg cuts and

881
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,919
Speaker 1: your loin. I'd be like, man, there's the good ship.

882
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: You know, the rest of the stuff is just stuff.

883
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna eat. But that's like the prime I not. Look,

884
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: I'm a little bummed when I don't see shanks, knacks,

885
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: all that stuff that I used to many years ago

886
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: kind of be a little bit apprehensive about because I

887
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: thought they were difficult to handle, because there's not like

888
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: if you take any of the non prime parts of yourself,

889
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: any part of the front leg, the neck, the knee down,

890
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: the shank, cut in the ribs, and you brown. You

891
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 1: put a bunch of salt and pepper around that piece

892
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: of meat, brown it in oil, put it in a

893
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: covered pot and cover it just up to the top

894
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: with stock or water and throwing a handful of garlic

895
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: and a splash of wine and put it in your

896
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: oven at three degrees. It's like it's just all good

897
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: and then you can do anything with it, eat it

898
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: like that, tackles, sandwiches. It just doesn't matter. Um. Yeah, man,

899
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: I've over the years, I just really changed my stuff around,

900
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: and I've actually got away from doing steaks, Like it's

901
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: been years since I've actually had like venice and steaks

902
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: on the grill, because now almost all those steaks something

903
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: that you would cut into a steak. I'll just keep

904
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: it whole and see it, bring it up two degrees,

905
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: let it rest, and then slice it. And I feel

906
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: like you're getting a much you know, moister rich or

907
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: better product that way, unless it's drying out than if

908
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: you have individual steaks that are getting cooked on all sides.

909
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know. I I rarely do steaks. And

910
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: when I first started, you know, first started cut up deer.

911
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: Like we always cut our own deer up when I

912
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: was growing up, and we would cut them up and

913
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: we would cut if you did a deer, we cut

914
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: burger meat for the grinder. And then every other piece

915
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: of meat we not just meant it for steaks. We

916
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: cut it into steaks, the whole one. We cut the

917
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: one into slices, back legs, cut them on the steaks,

918
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: and you'd have burger packs that said Burger packs and

919
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: said steaks, and that's how we cut everything. I don't

920
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: cook deer steaks anymore now. And then in the transitional

921
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: period when I still would cook like steaks, and in

922
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 1: some rolls, we would mark all that meat s R

923
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: S slash R, which meant steak roast, not my initials,

924
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: but it meant like steaks or rolls mean, you can

925
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: pull it out and cut your steaks later. What I

926
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: was thinking at the time was, if you're gonna cut

927
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: it into steaks, why not just do it later, because

928
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: this way you have less exposed surface arey and less

929
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: edges to get freezer burned, you know, because like the

930
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: meat protects itself when it's in a large block. So

931
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: we do that. But now I don't. I don't. I

932
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: never cook steaks anymore. I cook whole muscle groups and

933
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: then slice it because just you get much better product

934
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: that way. Lastly, I think the thing I've gotten into

935
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: the last few years that's an easy way to branch

936
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: out a little bit is to uh make a sausage. Yeah,

937
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: it's really not that difficult. There's some pretty easy recipes

938
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: out there that I mean. If you have your burger

939
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: or your stuff you're about to grind into burger, you

940
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: might only be adding you know, a half dozen ingredients

941
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: and you can choose to do it bulk. You know,

942
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: you don't have to stuff it into case things. You

943
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: have to be an idiot not know how to make sausages.

944
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 1: I mean not to not know. I'll say this, you'd

945
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: have to be an idiot to not be able to

946
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: figure out how to make sausage. Not that you already know,

947
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: but anyone who can drive a car, for instance, could

948
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: make If you have it in you to drive a car,

949
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: you absolutely have it in you to make a sausage.

950
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: You're not running up again, not talking about like like

951
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: you'd you'd find that you didn't have like the cognitive

952
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: abilities to make sausage. This is not their heart. You

953
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: want to add to that. Um. I think something that

954
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: totally blew my mind this year is car Pascio and

955
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: like like we're just talking about cured meat and that

956
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and like what's the techniques and to

957
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: slice a piece of meat, pounded out, put a little

958
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: we used a him and hand salt. At this friend

959
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: of mine, Eric has said smoked in a smoker Pepper

960
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: smoked his own salt. I mean, you don't want to

961
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: use much of it. But and then uh, and then

962
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: they'll baby ruggle on there and some parmesan and then

963
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: you just eat it like that. And like I was

964
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: expecting to totally be sick the next day or even

965
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: that night, and just talking about right now, I'm like

966
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: salivating about it. Like it literally blew my mind and

967
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: so everybody I'm talking about, you know, about like how

968
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: the hunt go this year, I'm like, oh, you gotta

969
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: do carpaccio so well, and even if I mean I'm

970
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: gonna try it on everything, but did it with a

971
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: big one that bloom. I mean, that's just that's a

972
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: sweeter meat anyways. But he's telling that to enjoying eating

973
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: your big Yeah, I mean I shot at you fourteen

974
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: years ago. Um, and it's that very similar. It's like

975
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: a sweeter taste. You know. It's pretty lean meat um,

976
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: but a lot sweeter um than anything I've ever tried.

977
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's delicious. But again that car Posto like

978
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: it's and it's just this weird thing like you're eating

979
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: i mean, dark raw meat. And then he starts telling

980
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: me that he just like when he's out in the

981
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: field and he's boning something up, he just starts taking

982
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: chunks like he doesn't even pound, I don't even just

983
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: sticks him in his mouth. Yeah, I think I've never

984
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: done that. I don't know if I can bring myself

985
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: to do that, especially when I'm out in the field,

986
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: and that might, you know, make things a bit more difficult.

987
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: But boy, and the kids ate it. And they loved it.

988
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: So I encourage anybody to try car postia at least

989
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: look it up. Yeah, me and Remy um did tar

990
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 1: paccio with tar, and then we did um tar tar

991
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: stake tartar with tar. Okay, so tar tartar and tar

992
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: pa your tard cute Like this goes back to that

993
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: dude asking about food safety issues early. You're never gonna

994
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: go on a government website and find where it says,

995
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: hey man, this is a good idea. Good ideas. You

996
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: eat yourself some raw dear meat, right, No one's gonna

997
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: tell you it's okay. But if you're eating ungulates like

998
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: raw ungulates, there's nothing that I can't think of what

999
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: it would be that would happen to you. I've had

1000
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: food plasoning twice, and both times it was from cooked onions.

1001
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: There you go, watch all for that ship, right both times.

1002
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: I thought big horn sheep. We were talking about this

1003
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 1: the other night at the Sheep Foundation. Uh, it's my

1004
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: favorite meat. I haven't I've only eaten it once because

1005
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: I got it from a little bit and he said

1006
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: he wants some big horn sheep steak, and I was

1007
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: expecting to taste like kind of like mutton or something.

1008
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: You know, it is absolutely unbelievable how good it is.

1009
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: Years ago, my girlfriend killed a big orange. She drew

1010
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: a tag and we went out and got a big orange.

1011
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: And uh, I made a lot of corn to big

1012
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: horn just that like the sound of it, the same

1013
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: way I like tar tar tar corn big horn. I

1014
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: thought I had a ring to it. You know. Um,

1015
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: most people don't associate like a literally like alliteration with

1016
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: good taste. But I'm just such a sucker for a

1017
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: well phrased dish that that I tend to gravitate towards

1018
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: things that have a ring to it. You know, I

1019
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: thought I hit the promised Land. Remember when I moved

1020
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: to Bozeman. I haven't been there but a few days,

1021
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: and my buddy Brendan Burns calls me up and goes

1022
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: un any room your freezer? I got a big horn sheet.

1023
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm like what he's like, Yeah, he had a client

1024
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: that didn't want to meat. Yeah, you know, guy was

1025
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: fine and had taken like a quarter, he had three quarters.

1026
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: His freezer was full, he had had a good season.

1027
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm just like, dude, bring it onnown you know. Yeah, Like,

1028
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: and that's the kind of stuff. I like kind of

1029
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: had a special little box in the freezer. It's like

1030
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: every so often, you know, I've worked it for two years. Yeah,

1031
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: that will never happen again. I was starting to date

1032
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: my wife the first time I shot that that you

1033
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: and so it's that it's smaller, you don't get as

1034
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: much me And like she loved it so much that

1035
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: she was it wasn't that like parsing it out like

1036
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: you know, once like a month or once every couple

1037
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: of weeks. It was like like it was like it

1038
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: was like this's gonna last forever. And I finally I

1039
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: was enjoying that she liked us so much, but like, hey, hey,

1040
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: we gotta slow down on this thing a little bit.

1041
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: And once she slowed down, and when we got married,

1042
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: he here's I'm gonna read a funny one that no

1043
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 1: one needs a response. You got to think it's funny

1044
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: and never gonna jump into one that I do want

1045
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: response from. So this guy's like, what's up with the

1046
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: epidemic of flat brim and white sunglass wearing, energy drink

1047
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: pounding Western hardcore hunters that seemed to be taken over

1048
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 1: these days. I'm a young guy in my early thirties.

1049
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: But I feel like a grumpy old bastard every time

1050
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: I see another social media post from these dudes. There's

1051
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: a question kind of in there later, but that's just funny.

1052
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: All right, here's going. Are there any animals you will

1053
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: not hunt for moral reasons? Now? You're saying anything is

1054
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: fair game? Bald eagles his example, housecats, domestic dogs, whatever,

1055
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: What is something you just would feel too torn up

1056
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: inside to pull the trigger. Jimmy dorn h Probably i'd

1057
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: shoot Darnia or anything in North America. I don't really

1058
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: have a desire to shoot a bear for whatever reason.

1059
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just look at it. And so

1060
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: he's saying, you gotta so you have a you have

1061
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: a desire to shoot a bald eagle? Oh heck no,

1062
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: will you listen to the question? I apologize everything is

1063
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: fair game in this hypothetical world. Okay, so the list

1064
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: would be too long. I can't listen to all the

1065
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: things you have no desire to shoot? I missed the question. Then, no, no,

1066
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: you were doing it. But you're doing like a game animal.

1067
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: Was there any animal that I wouldn't shoot? The list

1068
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: would be very long, would be like, uh not my ansters,

1069
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: my neighbors, my neighbors jogged the bar, stay at many

1070
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: dozens of species of whales as Sorry, but it's just

1071
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: taking like game animals. You don't have any desire to

1072
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: hunt bears do not. I can't tell you why. I

1073
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: just don't just look at it. That's something that I wanted,

1074
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: and I still I just just something about him, I

1075
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: just don't want to do it. Pretty much half the

1076
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: stuff in Africa wouldn't shoot it either, just don't know why. Well,

1077
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: with bears, it is is like I like, um, like,

1078
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm out hunting, you know, you see

1079
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 1: a deer, I see like a white tail, Let's go

1080
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: get that deer. But when I see a bear, I'm

1081
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: kind of like torn between going and getting it or

1082
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: observing it. Yeah, I do like, but I still I

1083
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: like the hunt, and I continue to hunt bears. But

1084
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I do understand there's sort of a it's

1085
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: just different, you know, And you could try all day

1086
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: long to act like it's not different. But for a

1087
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: lot of people, bears occupy a different space in their imagination.

1088
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: Another thing. Yeah, I just never just never never never.

1089
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: I like looking at him, for sure, but you just

1090
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: don't never really. And bald eagles yeah, definitely not red

1091
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: white and blue bird freedom. I kind of like them

1092
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: around the bird. Bald eagles. Gott a bald eagles are

1093
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: like they're not doing good pr management. They're breeding too

1094
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: much because they're like a lot of people in this

1095
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: country no longer like oh my, got a bald eagle, right,

1096
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: they're letting themselves. They should play the long game and

1097
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: slow down on reproduction in order to maintain that special

1098
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: status more d D T and like, yeah, to sell

1099
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: these Alaska, there might be a tree, you know, and

1100
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: I bring people out there for the first complements, it's like,

1101
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 1: oh my god, an eagle. Oh I got an eagle.

1102
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: Then later like yeah, another eagle. Yeah, I saw that

1103
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: having before my eyes when I first started guiding on

1104
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: the Eagle River. You know, it's like your job as

1105
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: a fish and guy, especially at the fishing slows, like

1106
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: oh check that out, check that out, see that, look

1107
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: at that plant, whatever, keep see a bald eagle and

1108
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: everybody ah and then like by the when did I quit,

1109
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: like two thousand eight or nine or whatever, and just

1110
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: be like well theg huh, you know, like nobody even

1111
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: cared like you're saying, everybody's just seeing them everywhere there.

1112
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we had those back in New Jersey now too,

1113
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: you know. I remember I remember in Michigan when we

1114
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: got done ice fishing and you left some out, you know,

1115
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: chives or shiners out on the ice and we got

1116
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: done pulling tipops. I remember one day looking out there

1117
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: and like, you know, it's a lake of houses and

1118
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: cottages all around, and looking out there's a couple of

1119
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: balls egos out there stand or eating our chubs. And

1120
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, something just changed for that bird,

1121
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: Like now he's right in front of my house. You know,

1122
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: good for them, Good for them. Um land, let's let's

1123
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: scrap the whole anything in the world like cats and whatnot,

1124
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: and just say, like game animals, is there a game

1125
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: animal you don't go after a lot of guys don't

1126
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: want to hunt lions. Uh. I would love to have

1127
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: been on a couple of hunts. I've never shot one,

1128
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: like you're open to offline definitely. Um. I think I'm

1129
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: with I'd buy a bear tag every single year, but

1130
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: if you have to pull the trigger on one, and

1131
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: I think it's partly because I do. I just think

1132
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: they're kind of a special species. I'm not saying I

1133
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: would never do it, um, but I think wolves are

1134
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: one of those things I don't think I would ever shoot.

1135
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: I think it would be such a special encounter for

1136
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: me to see one in the woods that like like

1137
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: that green fire you know and stuff that that Leopold

1138
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: talked about, like just to be able to witness that.

1139
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: Like I've heard them a lot, it seem lots of tracks, um,

1140
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: and I think I've been fairly close to them, but

1141
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: I've never seen him. So, I mean, what's the green fire?

1142
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: It's like that, that's that intense, like the way they

1143
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:39,919
Speaker 1: have that look in their eyes. It's it's some Sand

1144
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: County eliminator as a refer to, right, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

1145
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: It's like there's a story about like wolves and they

1146
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: can how to think like a mountain yeah yes, and

1147
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: like how the mountain doesn't have the wolves on there anymore.

1148
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: And I'm so the deer eating I mean, it's it's

1149
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: a longer story and stealing from a guy whose job

1150
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: was to shoot wolves, and so I I just I

1151
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: don't know, I think they're pretty iconic and pretty cool,

1152
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: you know. Um, I know that we need to manage

1153
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: those wolves and it's just not going to be me. Yeah,

1154
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm at a similar place, like there's a I mean,

1155
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: I could talk about a ton of things that have

1156
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: mixed emotions on, but wolves are if anyone, because you know,

1157
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: i'd go out and get a wolf tag when I'm

1158
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: in areas. It's just like I sort of thinking, yeah,

1159
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, some day I could see that I would

1160
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: get a wolf, kill a wolf um. But then on

1161
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: the handful of opportunities I had to go after one.

1162
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: When I'm looking at one, I don't even like really

1163
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: remember that I was thinking about it. I was kind

1164
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: of like looking at it. You know, it's and I

1165
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 1: still have you know, I still imagine some time in

1166
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: the future maybe I will. I was el COHNT in

1167
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: Montana this year and kept seeing wolf tracks. I'm kind

1168
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: of like, man, I should have got a wolf tag,

1169
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, they're all over and then being like, but

1170
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: if one came out, you probably feel like you did

1171
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: every other time when you had an opportunity to go

1172
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: after one or had an opportunity to take a crack. Yeah,

1173
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: And it's like, you know, I'm a ardent supporter of

1174
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: Stay Game agencies. Having the right to manage him as

1175
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: a sustainable resource clapped down the landscape. But yeah, like

1176
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: to have on a landscape, like to have him managed

1177
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: as a big game animal. Um. And I understand that

1178
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: we're not gonna have him everywhere that they were before,

1179
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: but there's some places where it'll work, and I support

1180
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: making it work in those places. But I just like,

1181
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: and I was looking ahead and I was like, oh,

1182
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: it would be great. You know, when it happens, it's

1183
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: like it's just something dissolves. That could change too, because

1184
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, like I went from being a very ambivalent

1185
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 1: mountain lion hunter to being like really wanting to get

1186
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: a mountain lion bad. Over time. You look at enough

1187
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: of those tracks and snow not your Why do I

1188
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: want to get one of these lyons so bad? Yeah,

1189
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: here's a question for you. So it's like speaking of lions,

1190
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: like her management is kinding all over the board. And

1191
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: now there's like these lion hunters that like super care

1192
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: about them and they have like there's like the Montana

1193
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: lion hunters, you know, like that's we're talking about mountain

1194
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: lions or cougars or whatever just for and so like

1195
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: they've really gotten engaged in the management of them, right,

1196
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: do you think at some point we're gonna have like

1197
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: wolfs on limited or something. You know, these guys that

1198
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: are like really good at howling on ridges, they like

1199
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: fall in love with that species because they're probably one

1200
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: of the hardest ones to hunt, kill one in every

1201
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,720
Speaker 1: hundred that they call in. Yeah, but like but you know,

1202
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: but I mean, like, are really like I mean, I

1203
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: don't know because have you just said that if you

1204
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: just said in the fifties that people were gonna be

1205
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: where they're at now with mountain lions, right, you know who,

1206
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 1: Like you know, when when states are using quota systems

1207
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: and have female mortality quotas on mountain lines, that ship

1208
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: is coming from Houndsman. That's what I'm saying. Like that,

1209
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: like it's the that's who cares about those things more

1210
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: than almost anybody. It was Houndsman that said let's stop

1211
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: eradication efforts on lines. Let's treat lines like a big

1212
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: game animal, a sustainable, renewable resource. That came from Houndsman.

1213
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: So the question was not coming from New Jersey cat ladies.

1214
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: Do you maybe not um, but do you think that's

1215
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: gonna happen with pools? I mean, like, I mean, we

1216
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: look five years down the road, Yeah, think, I think, yeah,

1217
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: I could think if if we get where we need

1218
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: to be, which is putting you know, putting wolf management

1219
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: in the hands of you know, putting wolf management in

1220
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: the hands of you know, people who are operating on

1221
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: a scientific doctrine and not you know, some kind of

1222
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: subjective opinion. Um. And we have wolf funds to go on,

1223
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: and we have sustainable populations of wolves and places, and

1224
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna have guys that like really figured out and

1225
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: they start to admire them as a game animal and

1226
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: they're like really into the chase and they want it

1227
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: being like a houndsman. There's a lot of houndsman out

1228
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: there who've killed who've been running lines their whole life,

1229
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: and they've killed old lion, right, it's like being around them. Yeah,

1230
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: So I could totaly see you got a guy that

1231
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: like likes to hunt wolves, likes to call wolves now

1232
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: and didn't kill the wolf, wants to make sure that

1233
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: the wolf hunting stays good. I wouldn't be surprised. Foundation

1234
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: of conservation in a lot of ways, right, this is

1235
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: the value you of wildlife. So people, people have to

1236
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: appreciate them in order to really want to conserve them,

1237
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: and eventually it becomes that state. It's like, Um, you know,

1238
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the reason the wolves are in such

1239
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: a terrible place is because they haven't been able to

1240
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: be appropriately managed. So they're in this dog pun intended

1241
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: but like they're in a dog fight between two groups

1242
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 1: are pulling them back and forth, and all the while

1243
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: it's like the state departments are before they were allowing conservation,

1244
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: some of these states are going out with helicopters and

1245
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: gunning down whole packs of wolves because they're just running

1246
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: a muck, you know, in these management units instead of

1247
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: being able to be appropriately managed. And once we get

1248
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: to a state where we can appropriately manage all of

1249
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: these different areas where the wolves live, people start to

1250
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: appreciate them instead of them being seen as an adversary.

1251
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: You know, I was joking about eagle pr how they

1252
01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: let themselves get too abundant. But um, a thing that

1253
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: that I think happened with wolves and why we have

1254
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: a lot of problems socially with wolves and a lot

1255
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: and why it's become such a thing that causes people

1256
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: to go into these like diametrically opposed corners on wolf

1257
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: introductions and and wolf hunting is that. I think some

1258
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: states were initially very reluctant right to do wolf reintroductions,

1259
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: and then they got on board based on certain assurances saying,

1260
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this. Here's what how we're gonna define

1261
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: recovery when we've reached a covery. Here, when we reach recovery,

1262
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: here's some steps we're gonna take to ease tensions between

1263
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: livestock growers, other interests, right between big game hunters. Once

1264
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: they reach recovery, we're gonna, you know, strike this balance

1265
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: and and try to maintain you know, this number of animals.

1266
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: And then down the road, the the recovery objective just

1267
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: kind of like keeps moving and moving and moving and

1268
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: becomes an unachievable target. So you've got state you've got

1269
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: some state agencies who were with it and then later

1270
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 1: kind of felt like they got screwed because they went

1271
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: along with this plan once they're still like a certain idea,

1272
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,760
Speaker 1: and then we've really changed what the idea looks like

1273
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: to now where it doesn't matter how many wolves we have,

1274
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: we're never going to stay there to recover. You know,

1275
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna move the carrot out of your out of

1276
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 1: your reach. And so I think that that really has

1277
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: kind of made a thing where wolves have unnecessarily had

1278
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: to become this thing like this, you love him or

1279
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: hate him, you know. And I think there's a lot

1280
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: of game animals on the landscape that don't really inspire

1281
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: that level of you know, that don't really inspire that

1282
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: level of like a vehemence. But we've just set them

1283
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: up to In a social sense, I think we've set

1284
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: ourselves up for failure by not being totally transparent with

1285
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: people in some of these issues. Now, Matt, what would

1286
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: you not hunt for? I know you're going on a

1287
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: bear hunt. I am going on a bear hunt. I

1288
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: don't know if it was if I The only thing

1289
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: is I wouldn't hunt for are the things that I

1290
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 1: concerned with eating, because I don't really want to shoot

1291
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: anything that I don't want to eat, like hunt stuff

1292
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: that you're gonna Yeah, but even now, like cougar, I

1293
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,480
Speaker 1: keep hearing from all sorts of people that cougar meat

1294
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: is fantastic to be shocked, Yeah, I hear, it's terrific,

1295
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: So you know, IM previously I would think, well, I

1296
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 1: don't really want to shoot the sugar because I don't

1297
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: want to eat the meat. But I hear it's it's great. Uh,

1298
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: I mean even squirrels whatever, it's all. It all sounds good.

1299
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: As long as the meat is consumable and and I

1300
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: and I like consuming it, then I'm doing Yeah. I

1301
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,400
Speaker 1: like that. I get to nod when someone says, you know,

1302
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: squirrels and they look over at me. I become like

1303
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: the world's number one squirrel hunting advocate. Squirrel man, what

1304
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: hunts have you not done that you'd really like to do? Man? Um,

1305
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: there's so many for me right now. I'm really kind

1306
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: of interested in stone sheep. Um. I've never hunting a

1307
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: big orange sheep. You know, if you just to privas

1308
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: why I just said that. Where I'm going on with

1309
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: this is if you imagine, you know, sheep at one time,

1310
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 1: all the at one time, probably all the sheep that

1311
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: we have in North America. So you have doll sheep stones,

1312
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: and there's kind of like a fan in which is

1313
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: sort of a you know, an intermediary sheep between air

1314
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 1: and and you go down. You have rocky mountain big

1315
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: horns and desert big horns. Um. At one time during

1316
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: the Plyce scene we probably had. There was probably a

1317
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: species of sheep that extended from Siberia all the way down.

1318
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: There's probably like a species of sheep, and then through

1319
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: a lot of climate factors, geologic factors, those sheep species

1320
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 1: were broken up where you had genetically distinct populations of sheep,

1321
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: and over time we wound up with the array of

1322
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: sheep we have. So leaving outide Cyber you have snow sheep,

1323
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 1: leaving out those you know, you have dull in Alaska,

1324
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: and then some portions of northwest Canada stones, and then

1325
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 1: you get down into continental US and big Orange. I've

1326
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: been on big orang hunts a few of them, never

1327
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: drawn a big Orange tag. I've uh been lucky enough

1328
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: to been on a handful of doll sheep hunts. Hunting

1329
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: with my brothers up in Alaska, killed a couple of

1330
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: doll rams. I would really like to hit that middle

1331
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: ground and go out and see some stone sheep country

1332
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: and chase after a stone sheep. That's one thing I'd

1333
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: like to do. The regard it as a thin horned

1334
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 1: sheep like a doll, but there darker, for dolls are

1335
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: white and these are a darker furred sheep. It's not

1336
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: so much like that I need like, oh, you know,

1337
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 1: imagine having one that had a dark hair. But it's

1338
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: more like just kind of like understanding this whole spectrum

1339
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: of mountain sheep and kind of seeing them in all

1340
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: their variations and all the landscapes they live in. So

1341
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,839
Speaker 1: that that's very high my list is exploring the Canadian Rockies.

1342
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,560
Speaker 1: It's really why you're going there. Yeah we'rech is some

1343
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: wild ass rocky mounts. Man, Yeah they're there. They got

1344
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: they got parts of the Rockies that smoke anything we

1345
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: have in the lower forty eight as far as remoteness

1346
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: and just wildness and having all of their animals on

1347
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: the landscape. That's a funny thing about wolf got like

1348
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: people that hate wolves categorically. It's like all the everydy

1349
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: wants to go hunt in Alaska, everydy wants to go

1350
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: hunt in Canada. They got wolves on the ground. Why

1351
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 1: if wolves mean that you can't have good hunting and

1352
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,759
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as like big game and wolves,

1353
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: why do you go to Alaska? You should know that

1354
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: you should steer clear because it's wolves, so there can't

1355
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: be any game there. They occupy ninety of their historic

1356
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: range in Alaska, So that would that would lead me

1357
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: to believe that, like there's no point in going to

1358
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: that ship hole to hunt. You know, it's so weird

1359
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: there's that, like there's that misperception. But they you know,

1360
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: they managed wolves hard corn Alaska. But yeah, where we

1361
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: just were recently. I'll probably an email about this because

1362
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 1: they're not even to have given this info up. But

1363
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: we're hunting mountain lions. There's a lot of mountain lions,

1364
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: good mountain lion hunting, and I mean the deer tracks,

1365
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, they were hand in hand. The

1366
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: lions are there because of you were there. Yeah, it's

1367
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: a I saw a thing with time to speak about

1368
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: lions and wolves. I saw a thing one time where, uh,

1369
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: they figured that out of every one hundred, out of

1370
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: every one hundred elk calves, thirty are killed by mountain lions,

1371
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 1: and in one particular area, every one hundred elk calves

1372
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: thirty get killed by mountain lions. Wolves came in and

1373
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: everyone got real upset about wolves. But they think additively

1374
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: wolves are killing ten per hundred. So people just got

1375
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: used to their being a survival of seventy of elk

1376
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: calves would survive, and that kind of became like how

1377
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: our whole management structure was built around this idea. Now

1378
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: that it's sixty it's noticeably different. It's changed everything, But

1379
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: all of the blame has fallen to this new thing,

1380
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: when meanwhile you have your primary predator has always been

1381
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 1: on the ground, but no one had to deal with

1382
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: the idea that it used to not be there, and

1383
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: now it's there. You know, it's like this sudden change

1384
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: rather than this old thing that was going on. It's

1385
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: such a it's like, I hate talking about it, but

1386
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: I'm just so drawn top about it. Because the wolf

1387
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 1: thing is so rich for investigation, it's really hard to

1388
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: find consistent information on wolves, on wolves in general, in

1389
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: predation of wolves. I hear people talk all the time about, oh,

1390
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: you know, one wolf is a hundred elk er you know,

1391
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: consumes thirty elk a month, and I don't I don't know.

1392
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: That's seven pounds of me today, So that's coming from somewhere.

1393
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: And then people's people talk about how they just hamstring

1394
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 1: all their animals and kill for fun. And I'm not

1395
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: advocating for one or the other. I'm just saying that

1396
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: I hear a lot of um, pretty dramatic attitudes on

1397
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: how much wolves take. And you've got people to tell

1398
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: you that they eat nothing but nuts and berries, right,

1399
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, has no impact. I'm like, how could

1400
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: that be? They eat seven pounds me today there's three

1401
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: and sixty five days a year. They're eating something. Stop

1402
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: telling me that there has no impact on wild game. Does?

1403
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:31,679
Speaker 1: It seemed to be a whole lot of middle ground

1404
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: on it. Polar as see their pollar eyes the other

1405
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: but there's not They did that study down the Bitter Route, right.

1406
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: I think the old Foundation paid for it. I know

1407
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 1: my little local rod and gun club played a little

1408
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 1: bit of money into it. They found out the biggest

1409
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: uh impact on those calf populations was black bears. Yeah,

1410
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: and so they increased the quotas on black bears. And

1411
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: like there's many factors. There was those fires that you

1412
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: know went on down there, so now there's a lot

1413
01:14:56,160 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: of like brows and stuff, but black bear it was

1414
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,840
Speaker 1: a major contributor. And they started to the change the

1415
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: quotas and how that population is rebounding, Like, you know,

1416
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: everybody kind of knew it, could you know, the black

1417
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: bears were the ones that were working. The main factor

1418
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: that's been interesting to see in my lifetime, the uh,

1419
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: the sort of transformation that our understanding of black bears

1420
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 1: has gone through, where the people used to sort of

1421
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 1: SMS is kind of bumbling opportunists who would eat some

1422
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:31,879
Speaker 1: carrying primarily vegetarian diet. And there's been so much research

1423
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: and just you know, the last couple of decades about

1424
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: how effective they are on fawns, and that they see

1425
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 1: these things moving into fawning areas before, like our calving

1426
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: areas before the elk even show up in anticipation of

1427
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: them coming in to drop calves, and they just know

1428
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: about that resource. And I think people used to look

1429
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: right through them and and see other stuff, and now

1430
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 1: we're seeing they have the black bears are heavy hitters.

1431
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: There's that Mulder. They're doing a Mulder study obviously controversial.

1432
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:03,799
Speaker 1: They're doing the mule to your study down in Colorado

1433
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,080
Speaker 1: right now, UM, and it's in a base and where

1434
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: you have sort of the semi isolated population the mule deer.

1435
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 1: They're finding that, um, the deer are getting plenty of food.

1436
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: When they weigh the fawns now, the fawns weigh more

1437
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: than past generations waged at the same time, suggesting there's

1438
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 1: plenty of food, but there's just no recruitment, and that

1439
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: they're looking at it's got to be a predator issue,

1440
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,320
Speaker 1: and so they're going into this area and instead like

1441
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: when they generally done predator control in the past, they've

1442
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: done it where you just sort of throughout the year

1443
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,560
Speaker 1: kind of target predators to try to drop numbers. But

1444
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: now they're trying to do in this particular study, they're

1445
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:42,799
Speaker 1: trying to do targeted predator removal at the same time

1446
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: as they're dropping fawns, thinking that this way, you know,

1447
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: you're getting the ones that are in the area, and

1448
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 1: they're gonna see if that method might be a method

1449
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: where you're actually removing fewer predators and maybe moving the

1450
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: needle in favor of animals that are not doing so well,

1451
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: because instead of trying this like shotgun approach where you're

1452
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: getting animals that may or may not even be in

1453
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 1: the area when they're dropping fawns, but to go in

1454
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: there and they're removing coyotes and black bears, oh and

1455
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: mountains right, kyles and black bears and mountainins in may

1456
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 1: to try to test, among other things, to try to

1457
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: test this the idea that you might really help a

1458
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 1: population of animals out, like a declining population ungulates. You

1459
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: might help them out by like specifically giving them like

1460
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 1: on the ground support at the moment they needed, like covering,

1461
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: fire covering. Yeah, coilets are supposed to be really hard

1462
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: on deer fawns, are they? Again? I think it depends

1463
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: so much on the area. But in places, yeah, and

1464
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: in other places people are kind of surprised and they

1465
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 1: find out that there that they're not. But one of

1466
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: the reasons I think people like look at coyles is

1467
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: coyles are going through such a big range expansion that

1468
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: it's like this new thing now, right, It's this thing

1469
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: that used to not think about when I was a

1470
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,600
Speaker 1: kid um where I grew up. I remember half my

1471
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: life there weren't none in the area. Half my life.

1472
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: There's a ton of them in the area. And so

1473
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: when people see something new and they see some changes, yeah,

1474
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: I think that you can wind up having sort of

1475
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: a simplified impression of what's going on by accounting for

1476
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 1: this new thing, as demonstrated by people's people's response to

1477
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 1: wolf predation as looking at it like as the reason

1478
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: something happened rather than being like a component to a

1479
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 1: very complex picture. Um, what happened with your This is

1480
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:38,160
Speaker 1: something that comes up so much that's too complicated to

1481
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,519
Speaker 1: get into. What gear do you recommend splurging on up

1482
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: front versus what gear can you work around invest in later? Boots? Boots,

1483
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: splurge boots. Imot spend as much on my boots as

1484
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: my gun. Yeah. I remember a guy used to hunt with.

1485
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: He was a packer for a guide out on the

1486
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 1: on the Alaska Peninsula. And the guy's thing was if

1487
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: he had a you know, if you had a thousand

1488
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: dollars spend I can't remember how it went. I think

1489
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: it went like, if you had a thousand dollars to

1490
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: spend on hunting gear, he'd spend a hundred on a

1491
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: rifle and nine hundred on his binoculars. It took me

1492
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: a long time to realize that ship. I went through

1493
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: a lot of my life without ever looking through a

1494
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: good pair of knockers. The minute I did, I'm like, oh,

1495
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 1: now I see, now, I see what this is all about.

1496
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: That was a big change for man good binos. I've

1497
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: looked through mediocre ones, and I've looked through really good ones,

1498
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: and I've been kind of hard pressed to make the

1499
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: to jump from that, really I have. I don't know why.

1500
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm buddy mine looking through the right end. He had

1501
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: like the two thousand dollar Swatski, like the amazing binos

1502
01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: and my four Nikons. It's like, I'll put him side

1503
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: by side, take the Pepsi challenge, like you like to say,

1504
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't understand how. I don't understand

1505
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 1: how you can think that way. I've been. I don't know,

1506
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: I've been, like I said, I felt like the really

1507
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: expensive I mean, sure, if I want to see the

1508
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 1: color of the thing's eyes, and but I mean I

1509
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: can see real well. I mean I'm deaf as a

1510
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: post for and I can see. I don't know. You

1511
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time glassing when you're hunting, no, oh,

1512
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: pre hand it. Yeah, it's the greatest I can't do.

1513
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: Like you guys have the spot and scopes and stuff

1514
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 1: like tripod. Man, I'm trying you'll be like, oh, I

1515
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: didn't realize that all of this ship lived out here.

1516
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: When you start doing that, it's like, oh, there's a

1517
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: quail five miles away, right, Just a little movement it's

1518
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: not like my knock is like my binos are good,

1519
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, yeh, you put them on a tripoddle, blow

1520
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: your mind. Almost never pull the spottings. Almost never pull

1521
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: my spottings go up out anymore unless you they're like

1522
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: my buddy's got my bonos on and I don't have

1523
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 1: my bonos, or I need to see closer what I'm

1524
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: looking at. Like a lot of times, all you just

1525
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 1: have such a wide feel of you and you can

1526
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: see everything moving on the tripod, so i'll, you know,

1527
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: I pick out you can pick out the body, maybe

1528
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: it's hard to see the horns behind the branches or whatever,

1529
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 1: and then you put the spotting scope on and dial

1530
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: it in. Yeah. I I seldom pull out very stilldom

1531
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: pull out my spotting scope unless I'm already looking at

1532
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: an animal. In fact, the guys out on with like

1533
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: me and Yanni are up on a glass and tip

1534
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 1: and he gets out is he like reaches over. You know,

1535
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: you got your eyes to your bvinyals, but you're sort

1536
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: of like looking in your pack for your spots. Gope,

1537
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: I know what that means. So he sees something and

1538
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: he wants to get a more careful look at it

1539
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: now and then it might be some little hell hole

1540
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:00,040
Speaker 1: shadowy area. And I started getting real curious about on

1541
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: and I want to take a gander in there, and

1542
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: I'll pull my spots scope out. But generally it's like

1543
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's something, what is it? Tell me more,

1544
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: and I'll pull spotsk about to figure out what's going on,

1545
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 1: or I'll glass up. It's just like glass in the

1546
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: hill and I see a buck stand up and then

1547
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,840
Speaker 1: lay back down. Or let's say I see a dose

1548
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: stand up and lay back down. I'm like, this gotta

1549
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 1: be more dear bed in there. I look with my binals,

1550
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: don't find them, get out my spot scope and that

1551
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: start going like, oh yeah, there's actually four of the

1552
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 1: men there. There's one's ear, there's one's hoof. You know,

1553
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 1: it's always to do that like detail work. The first

1554
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: time I ever put a pair of binoculars on a

1555
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: on a tripod was hunting couisedier. I couldn't believe it.

1556
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: Then probably shortly after that went on a Mulder hunt

1557
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: and was spot Mulder. I would never have spotted if

1558
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 1: I hadn't, if I wasn't running that because you don't

1559
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: feel it but you're shaking, and it makes it that

1560
01:22:48,160 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: like one movement disappears when you're moving things that are moving,

1561
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 1: their movement just blends in with the movement that you're doing.

1562
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: And the other thing is you just notice parts of

1563
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: ship right, you know, you know us you I used

1564
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 1: to like, hey to be reading articles and they're like,

1565
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: you're actually looking for a deer. You know, you're looking

1566
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: for a little flick of antler tow or you know,

1567
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: and it winds up being like, yeah, that's kind of true.

1568
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: But it's like you're not looking for a little piece

1569
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: of antler either. You're just like looking and you develop

1570
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:21,560
Speaker 1: a search image of all these different things and you

1571
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 1: just wind up like picking up on natural lines. Daniel

1572
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 1: Boone said that you have during the Indian Wars, you

1573
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 1: had more of a chance of spotting an Indian's rifle

1574
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: then you did the Indian m because you know they

1575
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: were using those five ft long Kentucky rifles. Yeah, you

1576
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: just get in your head like there's like certain shapes

1577
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 1: that just don't occur now that you don't occur in

1578
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: the natural because the deer is part of the natural world.

1579
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: But there's certain shapes just don't belong to plants, I guess,

1580
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: and now and then you're like, I know that weird

1581
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,680
Speaker 1: knee look and things sticking off under that tree. And

1582
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: I started to blow it up when I started running tripod.

1583
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you completely changed the way, just that it changed. Yeah,

1584
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: you'll feel like your nikons are a different binocular. The

1585
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,879
Speaker 1: first time I ever made my dad use a tripod,

1586
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: I was going to hunt across this valley and I

1587
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: just had him glassing for the same hillside, just you

1588
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 1: know where I wasn't for the next one. And that

1589
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 1: evening when we reconvene, he's like, man, I had no

1590
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 1: idea how good my binoculars were, Like same binocular has

1591
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: been using for because you can live up to the

1592
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: you can let them see there full. You let your

1593
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: knockers realize their full potential. And I almost feel like,

1594
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 1: what the question is, uh, what can you what are

1595
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:51,960
Speaker 1: you laughing about? Just after that? Oh? Yeah, you know

1596
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 1: like nice knockings. Yeah that's all about yours, bro. Yeah,

1597
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: and he's got nice knockers. The what gear can you

1598
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: lurge on? Or should you splurge on? I'm not done

1599
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 1: talking about knockers, because I want to say another thing Um,

1600
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: we didn't really use but when I lived in the

1601
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: Eastern I was still talking about binoculars. I thought you

1602
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,679
Speaker 1: were switching to other gear. I'm sorry, go ahead because

1603
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: we originally we everybody blurted out boots, and I do

1604
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: agree with the boots are right up there. But I

1605
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: feel like binoculars. If you buy a good pair of

1606
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 1: binoculars now and really do splurge, it might be the

1607
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: only pair of binnoculars you ever buy. And maybe if

1608
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 1: you take really, take really good care of them, you

1609
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 1: can pass on to the next generation and they could

1610
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: use them for almost a lifetime. You unless the technology

1611
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: gets that much better where a pair of boots will

1612
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: wear out. And I know that early on in my

1613
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: ELK cunning career, I think I did hunt in Um.

1614
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean they were like a hundred dollar I don't

1615
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 1: want to say they were high text, but it's definitely

1616
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 1: just something out of Cabella's And I was like, I

1617
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: just need something you know, that can afford, that will

1618
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 1: get me through, And you know, I would say splurge

1619
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: on the binos. Yeah, if you're hunting your daddy's boots.

1620
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 1: Your dad, you didn't do much hunting, right, They just

1621
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 1: don't last uh binyls, man, I don't really And you

1622
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: can't really buy good binyls that aren't covered by a

1623
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: good or not that you can don't buy good binyls

1624
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 1: that aren't covered by a good warranty. All the all

1625
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,040
Speaker 1: the good companies have a good warranty. Vortex has what

1626
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 1: there's is called v I P warranty. It's like if

1627
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,639
Speaker 1: they break you to send them in, get new ones

1628
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: um and by I would say to buy a kind

1629
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: where the manufacturer covers them. Don't rely on who you

1630
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 1: bought them from to cover them, Like don't get knockers

1631
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: where if something happens, like you break the eye cup

1632
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 1: on them, you're gonna go back down to the retail location,

1633
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: figure out which companies you can use that you send

1634
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 1: it into the company, they do the repair and send

1635
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 1: them back because it's just a way better approach. And

1636
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: also by from a company that's you know, been around.

1637
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't even know if anybody

1638
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: makes like fly by Night optics companies, but it really changed.

1639
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: And you know, we always had binoculars when I hunted,

1640
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 1: when I lived in the eastern half of the country.

1641
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 1: You know, we had binoculars didn't rely on it as

1642
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 1: much then in Western hunting, I really developed um a

1643
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 1: real love with binoculars, and like I said, it kind

1644
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: of changed my way to hunt. But even now when

1645
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,520
Speaker 1: I go back and hunt, you, if I'm hunting squirrels

1646
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: or hunting deer, I'm glassing up stuff that was that

1647
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 1: twenty years ago I wouldn't have found. Last time I

1648
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: was sitting there hunting Dug Durns wait Till Deer Farm

1649
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. During the middle of the day, I just

1650
01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,320
Speaker 1: take out my knockers and not on a tripop, but

1651
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: just leaning them on the rail of the ground blind,

1652
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 1: start looking down in the creek and the brush on

1653
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 1: the creek, and I'm picking off beded deer down there

1654
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 1: that have been there the entire time I've been sitting

1655
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:40,960
Speaker 1: in that blind without knowing they're there. They were already

1656
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: laying there when it got light there a hundred fifty

1657
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: yards away from me. And it was until one o'clock

1658
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, and I was bored out of my

1659
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 1: mind that I decided to tear that little brush patch

1660
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 1: part and realized was all kinds of deer landing there.

1661
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 1: And in the old days, I would have gone the

1662
01:27:54,280 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 1: whole day and not knowing they're there, and then hunting squirrels,

1663
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 1: you think like, oh he went in the hole halftime.

1664
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 1: He didn't half to him. He's like laid up on

1665
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: top of some branch and you get your knockers up

1666
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,560
Speaker 1: there and you see some little tuf to tail for

1667
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: blowing in the breeze you would have never found without vinyls.

1668
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 1: I can't stand being on the woods with aut vinyls.

1669
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 1: But that you're pointing that with me, all right, anybody

1670
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: else any other gear? Well, the only thing I would

1671
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:27,040
Speaker 1: I would say that's uh, maybe not printed into this conversation,

1672
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: but something that I splurts it on a long time ago.

1673
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 1: It was a raft that raft has gott me out

1674
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: of raft. Yeah, it's got me out on so many

1675
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 1: like I mean one fishing like I just use it

1676
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: way more. But it's also got me on hunting trips

1677
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: to that probably wouldn't have done. So, Like I mean,

1678
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: that's a big ticket item, um, but like like one,

1679
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 1: I think you feel like you know, you want to

1680
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 1: use it because you did spend that money, but man,

1681
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: it gets you in some really cool places and uh yeah,

1682
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: So I'd say I'd say it raft on top of

1683
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: the glass, and I think the glass is super important. No,

1684
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: I like the way you're thinking, man, I think you know, um,

1685
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: I think a big thing the thing that I'm usually

1686
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 1: always owned. You know, it's a big end. But like

1687
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: I typically always will own a canoe of some sort,

1688
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: and then it really having that in your tool kit,

1689
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, helps you in hunting all the time. Squirting

1690
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 1: across even just like squirting across some mars are squirting

1691
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: across the river and getting a little bit away from

1692
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 1: where everybody's parking. You know, that's a good thing. We'll

1693
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:23,920
Speaker 1: we'll do the one last one that we'll do some

1694
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: concluding thoughts. This is directed towards me, but we everybody

1695
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 1: can speak to. This is how does Steve draw so

1696
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 1: many tags? I don't think I draw ship for tags,

1697
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 1: if you like. Here's the thing I put in every state.

1698
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 1: So every year when I do my tags, I put

1699
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 1: in I put in for starting in the top left

1700
01:29:47,320 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: corner of our country. I put in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, California, Arizona, Utah, Nevada,

1701
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 1: in places elsewhere for everything. Oh, I forgot about Alaska.

1702
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: I put it for every draw in Alaska. I don't

1703
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: skip anything unless I'm not eligible, because like you know,

1704
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: for instance, I drew a Muskox tag, and you gotta

1705
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 1: go a certain number of years before you putting for

1706
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 1: musk Ox again. I put it for every damn drawing.

1707
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: I don't draw ship this fall. I don't think. What

1708
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: do you get that idea we didn't hunt? Well? I

1709
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: think that they're confusing some of the hunts that we

1710
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: go on thinking it's a drawing, it's hunt. But this

1711
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: fall we didn't do a single Okay, there you go,

1712
01:30:36,360 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 1: so yeah, this we hunted our asses off from August

1713
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 1: till Christmas, never did and all over the counter, and

1714
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:48,640
Speaker 1: we didn't do a single private land hunt. Did we?

1715
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 1: I didn't think a little bit. But I don't think.

1716
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,640
Speaker 1: I don't think we stepped foot on private land for

1717
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 1: big game this year. This person in the West, he

1718
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: does he doesn't say the one I have in front

1719
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 1: of He doesn't say what he's from the west or not.

1720
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 1: Was the last time you hunted a special draw like

1721
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 1: a tough like a tag where people are like, how

1722
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 1: did you draw that? Two years two years ago, I

1723
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,360
Speaker 1: hunted a unit in Oregon, that's like a good job. Yeah,

1724
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 1: but it was because my buddy had a whole ton

1725
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: of points and and I had actually drawn a good

1726
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,320
Speaker 1: tag the year before, which took me seven years to draw.

1727
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 1: I'd drawn a good tag before the year before, and

1728
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: he had fourteen points or something and said, hey, you

1729
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 1: want to just on this hunt. So he just split

1730
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: the points. I had zero. He had like twelve I think,

1731
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: and so this unit took five or six and so

1732
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 1: he split them. And this is the kind stuff this.

1733
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: I want to use this question as a springboard. Talked

1734
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: about a little bit of this, that kind of stuff.

1735
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 1: I know. There's a very renowned archer who people are like, well,

1736
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 1: how can he do all these amazing hunts? And it's

1737
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 1: because he's very good. And there's a lot of people

1738
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 1: who would love to spend time with him in the woods,

1739
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 1: and he teams up with them on draws. He hunts

1740
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 1: with eyes who have twenty points in some unit, and

1741
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,799
Speaker 1: he's like, we'll go in together, we'll split your points

1742
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 1: and and we will hunt together and I will show

1743
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: you what's up. Just a friendship, you know, no money

1744
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: exchange in hands, just like a friendship arrangement. So yeah,

1745
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 1: people are like, how's he drawing all those tags? Because

1746
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 1: it's something he cares a great deal about and does

1747
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: the time and puts in the work and makes it

1748
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 1: that he gets to go do those hunts. He's got

1749
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: expertise in the area or something that he can trade

1750
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: for that trade for some opportunity. Um, that's one way.

1751
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, I got no magic when it comes to

1752
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: tag draws man at all. Do you ever hound a

1753
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 1: special tag? No, Washington is really tough. I wouldn't even

1754
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: know have the stuff that him put in for it her.

1755
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean like you just you just hunt by go

1756
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: down to the drugs. They're gas station by life pretty much.

1757
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: I put in for a couple of like six eighty

1758
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: Montana archery. I put in for pronghorn. That's really about

1759
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: the Yeah, I mean most of the stuff I do,

1760
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: I said, it's just over the counter. I've killed, like

1761
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: in my life, hunt all the time, and I've done

1762
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 1: a ton of hunt for a ton of big games.

1763
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 1: I've killed one like world class animal, okay, and that

1764
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,679
Speaker 1: animal I killed in a on a tag I bought

1765
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 1: at a gas station on National forest Land. You're going

1766
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: to be like, I want to do your license, please, Okay,

1767
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 1: that'll be and then you walk on the woods and hunt.

1768
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:27,920
Speaker 1: And that's like the one world class animal I've killed.

1769
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 1: I had to put in for a tag for the

1770
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 1: elk that I shot this past year. But the whole

1771
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: areas private, so I mean I had yeah, and Oregon,

1772
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 1: like I had to click off twice and I understood

1773
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: that all private land. So you had a body, idea,

1774
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,560
Speaker 1: have body Yeah, rust took down. Yeah, your body that

1775
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 1: has a cattle operation. Cattle at least that some grazing

1776
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 1: on their place. Yeah, it's good stuff land coming off

1777
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:59,560
Speaker 1: big big horn sheep hunt. Yeah, I mean, here's that

1778
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 1: fourteen so you put it in for big horns fourteen years.

1779
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:05,559
Speaker 1: Intrew a tag and then the other hunter there's only

1780
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 1: two in that area, and he put in for thirty

1781
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 1: one years. How do you draw so many tags? I

1782
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: will say that like I drew another. I drew a

1783
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 1: mountain goat tag that year my daughter was born. She

1784
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 1: was born in July twenty one. That tag started August

1785
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 1: and that was our first kid. And I didn't get out.

1786
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 1: My my wife told me I couldn't do no. I went.

1787
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,000
Speaker 1: I went like five six days, but she which wasn't

1788
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 1: even that much. But that wasn't in a row either,

1789
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 1: and it was only out for the day, and so

1790
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:37,720
Speaker 1: I would bike in as far as I could go,

1791
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 1: then hike in sea goats start to crawling, those goats,

1792
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 1: and by that time it's almost, you know, it's almost

1793
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: starting to get dark. I mean no joke. That was

1794
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 1: like I saw goats every single time. So I ate

1795
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 1: that tag and that was painful. And I know how

1796
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 1: old my daughter is because I have you have to

1797
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 1: wait for seven years and I just started be able

1798
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 1: to put him again for this year. So every time

1799
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 1: you look at it is a little bit of resent.

1800
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 1: She's gonna know about it, you know, forever, and like

1801
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 1: you ruined my life. And what I hope happens. What

1802
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 1: I hope happens is that someday she draws him out

1803
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 1: and go tag and we get to go do it

1804
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 1: together and she shoots him out and got that whole

1805
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 1: thing is completely That would be like in our Big

1806
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:14,680
Speaker 1: Game guide book. My favorite picture in our Big Game

1807
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 1: Guy book is my brother's um. His wife drew him

1808
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: out and go tag and then by the time her

1809
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:25,760
Speaker 1: hunt date came around, she was six months pregnant. But yeah,

1810
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 1: I killed a goat a giant gut. That's awesome. Giant gut.

1811
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: She's got like this sort of like in this picture,

1812
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: she's even wearing like one of those things that gals

1813
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 1: put out on her. Super pregnant's almost like this like

1814
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:40,519
Speaker 1: high waist like spose. Yeah, yeah, with a big old

1815
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 1: billy six months pregnant. She's she is a bad ass.

1816
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 1: It sounds like, yeah, that's cool. Yeah, she's a badass.

1817
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: I foresee you start to draw more tags. I'm building

1818
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 1: up a lot of points, man, Yeah, but you get

1819
01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 1: him an they're gone, you know, So what happens? I

1820
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,240
Speaker 1: mean because also when no do overkill on a tag,

1821
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:03,639
Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh, yeah, you could draw this tag

1822
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 1: with three points and they'll be something I got like six,

1823
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:10,679
Speaker 1: did you did hunt? Yeah, Colorado was draw I spoke.

1824
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 1: You know there's a lie. I drew it with how

1825
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:17,640
Speaker 1: many points? Three? Okay, so yep, I do draw a

1826
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: lot of tags. Drew this last year. I drew a

1827
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: Colorado deer tag that you can draw with certainty with

1828
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 1: three points. Oh, you can probably draw it with a

1829
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: certainty with maybe even just two. I think I got

1830
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 1: a lucky and drew it with one. Okay, so probably

1831
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:39,200
Speaker 1: not what this guy's getting at. No, I draw a

1832
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 1: lot of tags by Okay, I'll give you a straight dope.

1833
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: I've been lying. Um, when you're in show business, does

1834
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 1: the thing called the show business tag? And you you

1835
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 1: call up the state and be like, hey, I'm in

1836
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: show business and they're like, who are your Yeah? Do

1837
01:36:53,240 --> 01:36:57,360
Speaker 1: you have Hollywood cronies? Do you have a helicopter? You

1838
01:36:57,479 --> 01:36:59,080
Speaker 1: just tell us what tags need, will send him over.

1839
01:37:01,120 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: You have pictures of you and these celebrities together, and

1840
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I can back about like what tags

1841
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 1: you like. I really haven't found that the draw tags

1842
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: I've ever drawn I've had any more success on than

1843
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:15,680
Speaker 1: the over the counter tags. In fact, I think I

1844
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 1: probably have had more success on over the counter tags

1845
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 1: than the draw tags that I've drawn, even when you

1846
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,720
Speaker 1: factor out per day per hunt day. Yeah, yeah, I

1847
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,680
Speaker 1: just I'm working. I'm working just as hard on either one.

1848
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,519
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know that I've seen the opportunity go up.

1849
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 1: Might it be that the over the counter areas are

1850
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,719
Speaker 1: areas you're hunting often and have friends that hunt them often,

1851
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 1: and so you build up like a database and in

1852
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 1: a rare tag opportunity. You're going into a place you've

1853
01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 1: never been before. That's yeah, that's possible. Yeah. I drew

1854
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: a very coveted uh doll sheep tag in Alaska in

1855
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 1: two thousand ten, and I found that hunt to be

1856
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:59,600
Speaker 1: wildly different than the general dolls shehep hunts we've been on, Like,

1857
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: I felt it was a lot different. Yet it could

1858
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 1: have just been lucky moment better. Oh yeah, I mean,

1859
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's yeah, it was a thing

1860
01:38:10,240 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 1: that has normally like this nine day gruel fast that

1861
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,240
Speaker 1: turned into like a pretty you could have kept going

1862
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 1: and looking, but I was like, didn't take long with

1863
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 1: well there's a ram My buddies like, hey there's another

1864
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: ram over there, and hadn't been our finding in the past,

1865
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 1: you know. But um, in other cases, I'm sure I

1866
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: talked to every year. I talked to guys who draw

1867
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 1: some tag. They think it's gonna be the hunt of lifetime.

1868
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:33,760
Speaker 1: They go out and get their ass handed to them.

1869
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,200
Speaker 1: There's no reason to think that you can't go out

1870
01:38:36,240 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 1: on a public land if you if you do your

1871
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: homework and you're working hard for it, and you spend

1872
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:42,960
Speaker 1: enough time, you can't go I don't know pub about

1873
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 1: land hunt and have the hunt of a lifetime. Yeah,

1874
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 1: I mean that's been the over the counter, the bulk

1875
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 1: of my honey until you got your Hollywood cronies. Yeah,

1876
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 1: in the helicopters and the helicopters. All right. Concluding thoughts, Matt,

1877
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 1: I want I think I need to get more experimental

1878
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 1: with my meat preparation consumption. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well we'll

1879
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 1: do that for sure. I should have I should have

1880
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 1: thrown that in. It's an animal that I just can't eat.

1881
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:20,800
Speaker 1: But you sent me a picture. I think it maybe

1882
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: some moose bone marrow or you know. I had a

1883
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:25,760
Speaker 1: knife late on top of it, and I justought, man,

1884
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm so boring. When I saw that picture, it just

1885
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: looks so cool, all the colors, and but you would

1886
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 1: have eaten it or not? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, No,

1887
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:33,760
Speaker 1: I just need to get I'm I'm still kind of

1888
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:38,680
Speaker 1: stuck in the like sausage steak, burger rut. I need

1889
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 1: to start doing some more experimenting. Yeah, is another easy one. Yeah.

1890
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 1: But braised shanks, braised ribs, braised shoulders, it's the it's

1891
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 1: the it's like the um if I you know, like

1892
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:54,760
Speaker 1: we said earlier, if I was gonna like hand off

1893
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: someone a tip, I'd be like, that's a rich field

1894
01:39:58,040 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 1: of inquiry, one area inquiry right there? Do I get

1895
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: to you want to plug your company? Yeah? Yeah, soe

1896
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: not not even just not even just bench made. I

1897
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 1: mean Benchmaide's obviously cool. I think we make then we

1898
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 1: do make some of the highest performing knives and not

1899
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 1: the highest performing production knives you can you can buy

1900
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:24,760
Speaker 1: and on the hunting side, for sure. But what I

1901
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 1: was gonna say is we were talking about the first

1902
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:30,679
Speaker 1: question we talked about with knives was fixed blade folder,

1903
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:35,240
Speaker 1: replaceable blade knife. I'm down for replaceable blade knives. People

1904
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:37,360
Speaker 1: want to pack them, but I would just encourage anyone

1905
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,960
Speaker 1: to please pack a hard use knife with you, especially

1906
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:43,639
Speaker 1: if you're going out and doing back country stuff. Any

1907
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,040
Speaker 1: survival expert would tell you that after food and water,

1908
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,560
Speaker 1: the next number one thing to have is is a

1909
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:51,080
Speaker 1: hard use knife. Yeah. I think two people hear survival

1910
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:53,800
Speaker 1: and they imagine being like a bigger thing. So you

1911
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 1: can almost say, like any shitty situation or any like

1912
01:40:56,840 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 1: even kind of dicey situation. Yea, yeah, absolutely, it doesn't

1913
01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 1: need to be like this idea though, you know you

1914
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 1: strand in the woods for a month. Just be like

1915
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:07,600
Speaker 1: a really bad night, Like a really bad night can

1916
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:09,639
Speaker 1: be made a lot better if you have the ability

1917
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 1: to do a little bit of woodcraft, make a fire,

1918
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 1: strike a flint whatever it might be. Yeah, hard use

1919
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 1: knife is really important to find some dry slivers of

1920
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: hartwood to get a fire gone without a rough out,

1921
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: a little spot to get out of the wind. I

1922
01:41:24,479 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 1: hear you, Jimmy Dorn. What's that het gun on the

1923
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 1: Is it a fish spear and hat? It's Seattle Mariners

1924
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:40,840
Speaker 1: logo baseball with some kind of suckers here. Uh, well,

1925
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna start looking for a lightweight tripot. That's

1926
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 1: another too I didn't add, is if I always look

1927
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 1: at those things, is more weight that I gotta hump?

1928
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,160
Speaker 1: Tell you what's more money? If you're gonna get go,

1929
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:52,680
Speaker 1: you know what? The bots get a good one, get out,

1930
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 1: get out Doorsman's call all doorsman's and Phoenix Area of

1931
01:41:56,280 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 1: one and tell them you to ask that you want

1932
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 1: to talk to Cody. Cody, because you'll hook you up

1933
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 1: with the tripod the adapter that fits your bino can

1934
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: you could you could beat a person to death of

1935
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:11,880
Speaker 1: their tripods not that i'd recommend as No, they're made

1936
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 1: out of They're made out of you know, it's like

1937
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 1: machine aluminum parts and stuff. They're pricey made in the USA. Man, Yeah,

1938
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 1: get up, tell you what I want to talk about.

1939
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:26,000
Speaker 1: That red, white and blue bird of Freedom. If you flies,

1940
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 1: he flies over the outdoors. If you say it's something

1941
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 1: should be done, and you know, I'll probably take your

1942
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 1: word for it. You'll, yeah, when you're laying on your deathbed,

1943
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 1: you won't be like, man, if I had only not

1944
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:40,600
Speaker 1: bought that tripod yea for me, it's always been just

1945
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 1: about to wait one more thing. The stuff just waste stuff,

1946
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 1: stuffing such a baby. I'm not a baby, man. I'm

1947
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 1: just told like lightweight, don't need anything. I'm like, what,

1948
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 1: what when did everybody become so afraid of carrying something

1949
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 1: as well? Because we're always walking straight up? Bill, I'm like,

1950
01:42:57,439 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 1: what a friend of the military. I got a friend

1951
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:00,800
Speaker 1: of the military, who's I mean like when he when

1952
01:43:00,840 --> 01:43:04,160
Speaker 1: he was in Iraq and Afghanistan and he would set

1953
01:43:04,200 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 1: out and you know, set out with all different times

1954
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,759
Speaker 1: a day and get posted up on a rooftop somewhere

1955
01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:12,679
Speaker 1: and um, he said when they grew up two guys okay,

1956
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, how much all that way? Hunter

1957
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:18,479
Speaker 1: fifty pounds and I was like, oh yeah, I got

1958
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:22,800
Speaker 1: my kid down to twelve pounds. I'm like, okay, sure,

1959
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 1: I could like not bring all kinds of stuff with

1960
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:28,080
Speaker 1: me too, but some stuff is just like really nice

1961
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:32,320
Speaker 1: to have more animals. Huh. Well, I'll give it a shot. Man.

1962
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 1: Uh this is kind of a question. So I don't

1963
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 1: know if everybody's ever done this, but I kept the

1964
01:43:38,320 --> 01:43:43,519
Speaker 1: nuts off that sheet. Oh buck nuts, yeah, and nuts.

1965
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 1: Just I'll say exactly how to cook him. Okay, get

1966
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:48,920
Speaker 1: yourself a lot of butter, more butter than you think,

1967
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 1: and get it in a pan and then put the

1968
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 1: pan over medium low heat and tip the pan so

1969
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 1: all the butter collects in one edge of the pan,

1970
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: and lay your buck nuts in there, and just baste

1971
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:03,639
Speaker 1: that buck nutt and baste that buck nutt and baste

1972
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 1: that buck nut with butter, and keep rolling and rolling

1973
01:44:05,960 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 1: and rolling it and basting it with butter until it's

1974
01:44:08,439 --> 01:44:12,439
Speaker 1: cooked through. What is basting me? You're know, basting me?

1975
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 1: What it means spooning up butter and spooning up hot

1976
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,400
Speaker 1: butter and pouring it over the top, so you're just

1977
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:23,439
Speaker 1: like bathing it right, and then you can make hot

1978
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: but hot buttered buck nuts by adding them. And I

1979
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 1: know you like, I know you like hot sauce. Put

1980
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 1: a little dash of hot sauce in that butter towards

1981
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 1: the end and paste it up and you're making like

1982
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 1: a like a buffalo wild nut, right, um, or a

1983
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:41,679
Speaker 1: hot buttered buck nut. Or don't do that, just salt

1984
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 1: and pepper. Let it cool because if you if it's

1985
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 1: super hot, you cut it'll it'll burst. Let it cool,

1986
01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 1: little bit slice it. Do you like octopus? Okay? Do

1987
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:57,120
Speaker 1: you like bacon? Yeah, you're gonna love nuts. Okay, it's

1988
01:44:57,160 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 1: like an octopus. It's like an octop plus made it

1989
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 1: a bacon bacon. That is a beauty, beautiful baby. Um. Yeah.

1990
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:10,559
Speaker 1: The last thing I would say this is your concluder

1991
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 1: is that you guys said this is like the last

1992
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:14,000
Speaker 1: questions that you're gonna do. I think you can take

1993
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 1: a break whatever on it. But I like this is

1994
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 1: pretty cool, like the last Meat Eat Podcast Fan Question

1995
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:24,000
Speaker 1: episode ever. Yeah, I think I think it works. They're

1996
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:26,920
Speaker 1: just gonna keep coming in now, they're gonna flood the inbox.

1997
01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:29,439
Speaker 1: I can see it. Well, it's it's largely like a

1998
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:31,639
Speaker 1: thing for me, Like it's almost like psychological or it's

1999
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:36,640
Speaker 1: so taxing. Um, Like, I'm so sensitive that some of

2000
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 1: the questions like about the helicopters and whatnot, hit me

2001
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 1: so hard personally that it becomes very so now we're

2002
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:49,720
Speaker 1: getting down to the root. It's like it's so mentally

2003
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 1: and emotionally burdensome for me. And then we get to

2004
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:57,599
Speaker 1: talk about wolves and ship and I'm so torn about

2005
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,840
Speaker 1: that subject and I see all all sides of it,

2006
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:05,640
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to wrestle out a livable, meaningful compromise

2007
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 1: that can please as many people and still kind of

2008
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 1: get where I think things need to be. It's just

2009
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 1: really difficult for me emotionally. When you get off that

2010
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:17,320
Speaker 1: I would rather watch my babies be born. That's like

2011
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:21,680
Speaker 1: easier emotionally than it is to to wrestle with these questions. Alright, Well,

2012
01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:25,320
Speaker 1: maybe this is the last one telling you that's how

2013
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 1: because those are some emotional moments, not when your babies

2014
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 1: are born, but when mine. Well, yeah, you guys do

2015
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 1: it like a little house on the prairie, man down

2016
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:43,519
Speaker 1: to the hospital, watch watching movies. Um, I don't know

2017
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,839
Speaker 1: what happened. What was that fellow's name out of Maryland.

2018
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:47,800
Speaker 1: He was helping us out with the sick of deer

2019
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:51,599
Speaker 1: hunt that we postpone. I can't remember now, but he's

2020
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:54,320
Speaker 1: I mean emails that he tried the base in buck

2021
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 1: nuts and they sort of he explained it as they

2022
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: turned inside out and became very much got them too hot.

2023
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that's what happened, got them too hot. So yeah,

2024
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,960
Speaker 1: definitely like a that's called that's called bursting us and

2025
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,519
Speaker 1: that's not what I recommended. Resting doesn't sound good. Medium

2026
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 1: low medium low on the heat. And then you get

2027
01:47:14,920 --> 01:47:19,559
Speaker 1: that nice octopus. I've got a pair of my freezer

2028
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 1: for first time. Easy. I cut you off on the

2029
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 1: pizza train, all right? Did they may not get um,

2030
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:35,120
Speaker 1: they may not get a concluding thought. Oh, I have

2031
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 1: a concluding question from Matt. Since we're I don't know

2032
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:41,840
Speaker 1: when we'll get to hang out again. Jimmy, Jimmy question.

2033
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 1: You didn't get a cote. Oh? Sorry, it's good to go.

2034
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 1: Two most common type shapes of blades for a hunting

2035
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 1: knife would be trop point and clip point. Okay, and

2036
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:59,720
Speaker 1: then can you just quickly explain why somebody would go

2037
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 1: with one versus the other. So, a clip point that's

2038
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 1: more like your your traditional lock back knife your grandpa had,

2039
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 1: that kind of has the blade sweeps down and into

2040
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 1: the tip. That generally creates a sharper point on the knife.

2041
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:15,960
Speaker 1: You get less radius that way, so less blade, less

2042
01:48:16,040 --> 01:48:19,559
Speaker 1: curve surface in your blade edge, so that that gives

2043
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 1: you the ability to do more finite work. So like

2044
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 1: a caping knife, off happens to be a clip point. Uh,

2045
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 1: A drop point has a stronger tip than a clip point,

2046
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:29,160
Speaker 1: so it's gonna you're gonna be able to do a

2047
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:31,400
Speaker 1: little harder stuff with it. I think it's a better

2048
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 1: general purpose utility knife. And it also has a larger

2049
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:36,840
Speaker 1: blade radius, so you can do more skinning with it.

2050
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 1: So it's good. It's it's really good to have both. Yeah,

2051
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:42,439
Speaker 1: in the perfect world, I like both. Use one for

2052
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 1: my opening cuts and my detail work, and use the

2053
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 1: other one for the big sweeping things. Um, but I

2054
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 1: was not going to carry two of them. I I

2055
01:48:52,240 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: I kind of I always go back and forth, like

2056
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 1: if I bring one, like if I bring a clip point,

2057
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: I like it when I'm you know, un zipping everything

2058
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 1: and then later I'm like, hey, you know, I like

2059
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:05,080
Speaker 1: my other one better. Right, when you're doing like all

2060
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 1: that skinning and trying to do a nice job and leave,

2061
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:09,280
Speaker 1: like especially trying to clean skin and something like if

2062
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 1: you're doing a bear, you want don't want to leave,

2063
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, pounds of fat meat on there. You get

2064
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 1: such a nice job. But then when I bring that one,

2065
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: it's just the opening cuts aren't is fun. They're not.

2066
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:20,800
Speaker 1: They're not if you were only if if I was

2067
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:22,800
Speaker 1: going to recommend only bringing one, I would recommend it

2068
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:25,040
Speaker 1: be a drop point. I think it's yeah, I think

2069
01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:28,639
Speaker 1: it's it's more it's it's better generally for all things.

2070
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:30,439
Speaker 1: But you're right, the opening cuts aren't is fun. It's

2071
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 1: harder to get the tip of the knife up under

2072
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 1: the skin because it just doesn't have the steep angle.

2073
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:39,040
Speaker 1: But like that the one, I like that one won

2074
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:41,559
Speaker 1: all the awards to the steep country. Is it pretty

2075
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 1: like dramatic drop point? It is, yeah, but it's durable,

2076
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 1: and so is that kind of you're doing that on

2077
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 1: that drop point too, kind of blend the two worlds

2078
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:57,599
Speaker 1: a little bit. And so, I mean the steep country

2079
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 1: is a it's a pretty tip cold drop point except

2080
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:03,680
Speaker 1: for a fixed plade. We were able to make the

2081
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 1: blade itself wider and I mean like taller if you're

2082
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:08,760
Speaker 1: looking at it from the side profile, and that gives

2083
01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:12,320
Speaker 1: us a larger radius. So that's what we did. So yeah,

2084
01:50:12,360 --> 01:50:14,280
Speaker 1: we we did that so that you could have an

2085
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 1: increased ability to make longer cuts. And then also when

2086
01:50:17,080 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 1: you have a bigger radius, you're spreading the cut across

2087
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 1: a basically a longer surface, so you get better edge

2088
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:25,840
Speaker 1: retention that way too, because you're applying it to a

2089
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Speaker 1: more edge, so it equals better edge retention. The Old

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Speaker 1: mountain Man, you ever go to mountain Man museums and stuff,

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01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:34,880
Speaker 1: the Old mountain Man definitely drop point guys. They were

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Speaker 1: not clip point guys. I don't know clip points existed

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Speaker 1: back then. But they like those big bellied like the

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01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 1: old skinning knives, like big bellied knives. Yeah yeah, but

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Speaker 1: it is like it's like, you know, you see a

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Speaker 1: lot of those companies that made those little kits where

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Speaker 1: it's one of each, but it feels a little overkilly

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Speaker 1: to me, you know, and this is more junk laying around.

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Speaker 1: I got a real problem with like when you leave

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Speaker 1: the kill site. You know, it's one in the morning

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Speaker 1: or whatever. It's just like the less stuff. I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of like trying to remember to grab the better That

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01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,599
Speaker 1: would help you achieve that minimum packway that you're looking

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Speaker 1: for is if you had a couple of extra if

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Speaker 1: you had both types of blades. No, that would not

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Speaker 1: do it. Oh, I'm sorry, you're making a funny joke. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't have that, you know. My concluding thought is

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Speaker 1: about being emotionally taxed Land Jimmy Matt, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: You guys a great wealth of knowledge. Um, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: If we ever get to go to do questions again,

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Speaker 1: we'll do it. If not, we'll come talk about just

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Speaker 1: we'll do like an all Wolf episode sometimes all Wolf,

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Speaker 1: all our all right, thanks for listening.