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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon. This episode number two hundred and fourteen.

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Speaker 1: In today, on the show, we're joined by white tail

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Speaker 1: properties land specialists and habitat consultant Jake Ellinger to get

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Speaker 1: an on the ground tour of his very own white

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Speaker 1: tail paradise. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast.

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Speaker 1: And tan the show, we're talking white tail habitat and

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Speaker 1: management and smart hunting and small properties and all sorts

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Speaker 1: of interesting topics along those lines with Jake e Linger.

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Speaker 1: And Jake is a fellow Michigan hunter, and he's a

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Speaker 1: white tail properties land specialist and a white tail habitat consultant,

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Speaker 1: and a couple of years ago I had Jake on

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Speaker 1: the show to chat with me about habitat management ideas

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Speaker 1: and a lot of his thoughts on managing small properties.

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Speaker 1: It was a great conversation. I actually remember I was

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Speaker 1: recording it in a really hot basement in the middle

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Speaker 1: If I remember this day correctly, I think I was

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Speaker 1: soaked in sweat while talking to him and sitting on

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Speaker 1: a cardboard box. But despite that, the conversation was awesome

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Speaker 1: and I was just left wanting more. There was so

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Speaker 1: much more I wanted to cover with Jake, And in

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Speaker 1: the years since that, Jake actually mentioned me a couple

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Speaker 1: of different times that I was welcome to come actually

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Speaker 1: walk his property, to tour it, to learn about what

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Speaker 1: he's done there, and to actually see all the different

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Speaker 1: projects that he's um that he's completed. So finally, now

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Speaker 1: two years later, that's what we did. Earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: myself and Jake and my buddy further went and we

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Speaker 1: walked jake sixties seven acre Michigan piece of White Tailed Paradise,

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Speaker 1: and then afterwards we sat down to discuss everything we saw. So, Man,

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Speaker 1: I think that I think that you are really going

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Speaker 1: to enjoy today's episode if you heard that first one

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Speaker 1: with Jake. I think what you're gonna find is that

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Speaker 1: we took things to the next level. Today. We we gover,

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Speaker 1: We cover a lot more of the topics that we

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Speaker 1: touched on last time, but we cover them in much

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Speaker 1: greater detail, and then we go into a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of new ideas as well. So that's the game plan

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Speaker 1: for today. If you haven't heard the previous show, I

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Speaker 1: definitely do recommend going back and listening to that. That's

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Speaker 1: episode number one hundred and eleven, and then here today

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Speaker 1: we're going to take things um even further. So looking

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Speaker 1: forward to you guys getting to hear this and getting

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Speaker 1: your feedback. But before we jump into that interview, I

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Speaker 1: do want to take a quick second to thank our

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Speaker 1: partners at White Tailed Properties, and as I think you've

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Speaker 1: come to learn over the past year or so that

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Speaker 1: we've been working with them, the white Tail Properties land

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Speaker 1: specialists are just a tremendous resources when it comes to

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Speaker 1: land and how to buy it or sell it, or

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Speaker 1: hunt it or improve it. And White Tail Properties also

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Speaker 1: shares a lot of that kind of information over on

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Speaker 1: their YouTube channel. In particular, they have this web series

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Speaker 1: called the land Beat and that features a lot of short,

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Speaker 1: helpful videos related to improving your property for wildlife. And

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Speaker 1: since we've got Jake here, a white Tail Properties land

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Speaker 1: of those land Beat videos that he has actually featured in.

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Speaker 1: So if you go to the White Tail Properties YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna find one of these videos titled the Perfect

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Speaker 1: Hinge Cut, and then that one, Jake demonstrates exactly how

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Speaker 1: to create hinge cuts and use them to improve white

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Speaker 1: Tail habitat. And actually, in our episode that you're about

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Speaker 1: to hear today, we talk a lot about different things

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Speaker 1: but we don't go into too much detail as far

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Speaker 1: So I think this land beat video is actually a

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Speaker 1: perfect supplement to the conversation you're gonna hear in a

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Speaker 1: few minutes, So big thanks again, white Tail Properties and

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Speaker 1: everyone listening highly recommend checking out that video. It's called

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Speaker 1: the Perfect Hinge Cut. Find it on the White Tailed

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Speaker 1: Properties YouTube channel. Now let's get to the show. So

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Speaker 1: we are here with Jake Ealinger, and I'm really full

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Speaker 1: of a lot of jealousy because we just walked Jake's

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Speaker 1: So so thank you Jake for for being here with

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Speaker 1: And I truly am humbold because to me, I've just

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Speaker 1: um But when you were on the podcast a couple

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Speaker 1: you know that's his nickname Jake? We did not know that.

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Speaker 1: So you hear the story so without without going down

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Speaker 1: but for a long time growing up, his dad would

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Speaker 1: And so he's like, he's like a Frank further and

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Speaker 1: go in there for a weekend after weekend with a

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00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 1: chainsaw and start cutting openings, and you know, heavy snow

433
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: and ice storms and things happen, and things settle and

434
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 1: trees move, and eventually you figure out. Okay, the deer

435
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 1: really like this area. So I'm gonna really define this one.

436
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: And you know, you know, from hunting it a year

437
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: ago from an observation stand, I saw places those were

438
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 1: trying to move and you could tell they got blocked off.

439
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: They went into an area they wanted to go to

440
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: the east, they couldn't. So I go in there and

441
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: I cut a whole form. And you saw the paths

442
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 1: how they use them. Now there's yeah, they really have

443
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: the real use them. What what stood out to you,

444
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: Josh on this top because we're looking you know, we

445
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: started basically the way our kind of property to our stars.

446
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: As we walked through the kind of front of Jake's property,

447
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: went through a food plot that's along the edge of

448
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: the warm season grass. You had a bunch of blue

449
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: stem and switch grass, right and then we entered the

450
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: timber and right inside that timber, right away we got

451
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: to some of these hinge cut betting years, maybe within

452
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: forty yards of the edge of that food right. Um,

453
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: and then the beginning of hinge cuts and these significant

454
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 1: betting area regions. Um, what were you thinking when you're

455
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: we're looking all at Josh, it's cool to see how

456
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: much difference you can make just a little time behind

457
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: a chainsaw. I mean, that's all. I mean, that's all

458
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: you're really using, right, it's a chainsaw, I mean, and

459
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: that's all so much of a difference in that area.

460
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: And how much canopy you open by just a little

461
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: bit of time behind a chainsaw. Um, that's something that

462
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people can do. It is the deer

463
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: manager's best friend is that chainsaw. And doesn't cost a

464
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 1: lot of money. It doesn't cost me a lot of money.

465
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: Understand the safety of it. But um, otherwise, you don't

466
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: need a tractor, you don't need big money. You don't

467
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: need you know, you don't need a bobcat, a big,

468
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: huge front end loader. You can do it all with

469
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: a small chainsaw on just some time, you know, some

470
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: sweat equity. So and the other thing that was really cool, um,

471
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: that I had never thought about was how you were

472
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: cutting those saplings maybe three or four or five feet

473
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: up and you're getting those sprouts right at deer level.

474
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: De level. We'll talk about that, just kind of cutting

475
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: them down. So when I'm in near hinge cutting and

476
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: whether you're doing a timber stand improvement and hinge cut

477
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna have succession. And these are true, these three

478
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: quarters to an inch and a half in diameter, and

479
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in there, and you're not hinge cutting those.

480
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: You're working around those. And now so now you've created opening.

481
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: They're there, So I try to cut them about armpit high.

482
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: I'd say right about that, you know, armpit Hi, I

483
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: just cut them off, start cutting them at the ground,

484
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: and they're gonna sucker. They're gonna send up new shoots,

485
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: new suckers, and that right that is at exactly at

486
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: the deer's level. So it's just kind of you know,

487
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: it's like, why not put the ice cream right on

488
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: a plate? You know? Yeah, I think what you I mean,

489
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: we've mentioned numerous different examples of how you just sweeten

490
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: the pot on these betting areas. You've got the the

491
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: the open canopy, then you've got the openings, and you've

492
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: got the corridors. Then you've got the overseated food. Now

493
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: you've got these saplings new sprouts. I mean, it seems

494
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: like you're really providing primo primo habitat in the spots

495
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: you really really want them. So it seems that you

496
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: can really focus where it's most likely that the majority

497
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: of deer or the deer that you want to be

498
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: there will be. Yeah, that truly is it? You know?

499
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: Throughout spacing one of the things I was curious about,

500
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: and I think based on what I saw, well, I

501
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: guess all you just answer, but do you try to

502
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: space betting areas in a certain way or do you

503
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: want them to be a connected stretch of betting that

504
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: never ends? And all that. It's kind of topography property specific.

505
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: So the first place we walked into was actually where

506
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: I started thirty years ago hinge cutting, and there's a big,

507
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: a natural peninsula there. We eventually got to that peninsula

508
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: which had natural dear bedding to start with, even though

509
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: it was pretty poor habitat. So I decided to take

510
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: that entire peninsula and work towards the food plots and

511
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: create a lot of room for deer to bed There's

512
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how many deer could bet in there.

513
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: It's a big area. It's probably four and a half

514
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: five acres of hinge cutting at this point. And you

515
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: and you did see had a very major east west

516
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: travel corridor. I went right down through the middle of it,

517
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: and then all these spurs of trails that go right

518
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: or left off of that, deer could enter an exit

519
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: different hinge cut areas. So my thought there was I

520
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: wanted to load a whole bunch of doughs in there

521
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: and provide one major travel corridor bucks could cruise through.

522
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: And you saw I had a stand down on the

523
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: east end of it, and I've got to stand on

524
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: the west end of it, depending on wind and other conditions.

525
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: I now have stands I can pretty easily get into

526
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: in the rut, and if the wind conditions right, it's

527
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: the right time of the year, I should have one

528
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: of my shooters come by. That's the goal, yea, And

529
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: most of the time works that way. So I'm pretty

530
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: happy with that. I can see why you'd be happy.

531
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there were so many examples. While walking around

532
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: we're just you're just thinking in your head, Wow, this

533
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: lays out just perfect for this given wind direction of

534
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: that time of year. Oh yeah, I could see exactly

535
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: they'd be coming right there here. Probably one thing I

536
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: mean we might want to talk a little bit is

537
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: how that all tied into the location of those destinations

538
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: food plots. Yeah, let's talk about that. So I have

539
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: destination food plots to the south of these benning areas

540
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: and to the west of those betting areas. So can

541
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: we can? We can? We? Let's try to paint a

542
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: picture real quick, would you say? Let's imagine like a

543
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: rectangle that will say is your cover, and then on

544
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: the south border of that rectangle is a destination food play.

545
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: Right on the west angle or west side of that

546
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 1: rectangle rectangle is another and then the whole rectangle then

547
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: is hinge cuts and these corridors and all that stuff. Okay,

548
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: so now continue that makes that makes good sense. So

549
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: the way the reason I set that up is a

550
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: lot of people focus on what they call predominant wind,

551
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: and so in this part of southern Michigan, most people

552
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: are gonna talk south or southwest. Well, that's under mild conditions.

553
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: That's not when I get good buck movement. Yeah, they move.

554
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say they don't. There's some great deer

555
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: killed during those conditions. But I am really cold front

556
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: post cold front hunter. So you're talking about a northwest wind,

557
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of times in the fall, I don't

558
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: know why, but a lot of times in the fall

559
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: we start getting southeast and easterly winds, So I'm trying

560
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: to move those deer, and most dear like to move

561
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: no nose into some angle cross wind. So if the

562
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: wind is from the south, and say it is mild weather,

563
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: then they're going to move out of that rectangle of

564
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: cover to the bottom of the page, heading to those

565
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: food plots. So I'm going to strategically get myself in

566
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: between there, and that's the rut. If the wind is

567
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: from the west or the northwest, then they're gonna start

568
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: going to the left hand side of that trying or rectangle,

569
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: and the same thing. I'm just trying to put myself

570
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: along the edges of those betting areas to ambush one

571
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: of those cruising bucks. That's my goal. If I'm trying

572
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: to kill dose in the early season, I'm a lot

573
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: closer to the food, but I'm still utilizing that same

574
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: movement pattern. Now, we were talking about something. We were

575
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: walking around looking at all these betting areas, and we're

576
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: talking about how you must just be able to pack

577
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: so many doughs into these bedding a. I mean, there's

578
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: so much great habitat, so many deer could be in there,

579
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: and you've got plenty of food. But then we start

580
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: talking about is there a risk to having too many

581
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: doughs like some some people we talked to talk about

582
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: the risk of having a dough factory. You said you

583
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: added some different perspectives on that. You know, I lose

584
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: my dear once my food is all consumed. So the

585
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: first thing they're gonna do when they eat everything that

586
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: is in my destination food plots is they're gonna go

587
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: to woody browse because that's very important food, especially at

588
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: that stress time of the year. So you can see

589
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm really well covered with woody brows. But they do

590
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: like large destination from plots to go to. So throughout

591
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: the summer, I have a local hurt, probably thirty some

592
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: deer utilizing this property. At this time of the year,

593
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: we get the rut and later and they heard doubles,

594
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: sometimes triples because a gun season and pressure. But they

595
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: do disperse and get out of here come late February,

596
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: middle of March when the food pretty much goes away.

597
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: So it seems like right about antler drop all the

598
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: bucks leaves bummer for um. But you know, anybody who hunts,

599
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: especially let's add the Michigan element. Okay, Michigan is a

600
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: tough state for the length of season, lots of different reasons,

601
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: so mature bucks are not near as common as they are,

602
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: say Illinois, Iowa, those those states, Missouri. So I like

603
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: having a lot of doughs, and I like knowing where

604
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: those doughs are betted because that one shooter or two

605
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: shooter bucks I'm getting on camera becomes a lot more

606
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: predictable because his whole focus is about getting a date.

607
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: So for me, it works to my advantage and success. Um.

608
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: I hope that answered that question. No, it did. Um,

609
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: you were you were telling us a few stories while

610
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: we're out there of bucks that you've recently killed that

611
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: I think we're doing just where you're talking about there.

612
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: Would you say that Brutus was an example of that?

613
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: He was a perfect example of it. So that was

614
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: his past year. Could you tell us about that hunt

615
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: that deer, and then what aspects of your habitat work

616
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: and the property made that all come together? Now? Okay, Um,

617
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: this deer had a very typical rack. He didn't have

618
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: any any special markings. But I started paying attention to

619
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: him when he was a three and a half year

620
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: old and at that point, so that would have been

621
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: in twenties sixteen and at ten I had finally got

622
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: to that point where if they're not four and a half,

623
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm not killing him. And he just had really cool,

624
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, low one thirties type rack. He actually was

625
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: a nine point in in sixteen and uh So through

626
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, through summer and spring, I started getting pictures.

627
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: Actually saw him turkey hunting and he had big cans

628
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: on his head and he just had a body and

629
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: I should show you the picture of his body, but

630
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: he looked like he was on steroids. He really did.

631
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: So I nicknamed him Brutus and started getting velvet pictures

632
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: of him, and so, uh I knew that this deer

633
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: was spending quite a bit of time here and in

634
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: the summer it's so random. Yeah, they're gonna be in

635
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: in particular food plots quite often, but as far as

636
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: how he's getting to, you know, from one point to

637
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: the others, it really is random, especially on this property.

638
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: So I I had this great bedding area that you

639
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: had been in, and it just had all has all

640
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: the all the food, it has all the openings for dose.

641
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: It's capable of holding probably to thirty dos in a

642
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: two acre area. And I had cut a what I

643
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: call a barrier hinge cut about sixty yards long to

644
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: the west of that betting area. It stopped about forty

645
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: yards from that bedding area. At the very end of

646
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: that barrier was a triple oak tree that I hung

647
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: a stand in. And when you say barrier hinge cut,

648
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: it's cut very low to the ground, so low that

649
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: deer cannot bed in it. And it's more of like

650
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: a fence. Imagine a bunch of trees cut all parallel

651
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: to each other, laying across the each other, so that

652
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: deer cannot physically go through it. Don't want to write,

653
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: being the lazy deer they are, they normally go around it.

654
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: So I left this gap about a thirty five to

655
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: forty yard gap from the end of that hinge cutting

656
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: to that really good dough betting area. And there's also

657
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of scrape limbs that I have all tied

658
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: in very close there. And my whole goal about hunting

659
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: that area was waiting for the perfect time of the

660
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: year because now I'm talking about a four and a

661
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: half year old Michigan buck, which is really extremely tough

662
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: animal to hunt. So I run, I run a couple

663
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: of game cameras in strategic scrapes that I can drive

664
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: an electric cart to and pull the card out of

665
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: and get out and get data and not leave any

666
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: sent on scrapes I would never hunt over. And I

667
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: started getting data on that deer all through the month

668
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: of October, but it was all nighttime data. And as

669
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: we got more and more into November, I started getting

670
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: he was now twenty minutes till daylight or ten minutes

671
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: after dark. And the Saturday before November eight, I pulled

672
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: the cards and I had two days of him in daylight.

673
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: So I said, cool, Brutus is moving during daylight. I

674
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: started to move around, and so I was. I waited

675
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: for a northwest wind day after cold front high pressure day.

676
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: So I look at the ten day forecast on weather

677
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: Underground and I see that the upcoming Wednesday, I have

678
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: just that a twenty degree temperature drop, high pressure, northwest wind.

679
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: It happens to be November eight. There isn't a better day.

680
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: It's funny. November seven is when I got my my

681
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: my one opportunity to holy Field see it, and I didn't.

682
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: I was look at my phone and I was, but

683
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: you had an opportunity was there, So it would have

684
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: been that day of the cold front I think was hitting,

685
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: and you were on the day after that. No. No,

686
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: And what I'll do is a lot of people talk

687
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: about cold fronts, and cold fronts are great as they approach,

688
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,959
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get a lot of your younger deer

689
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: and had it gonna be your doughs and bucks and

690
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: one and a half and two and a half year

691
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: old bucks. But when you start getting three and a

692
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: half and older, and especially in a high pressure state

693
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, I think those older bucks just

694
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: weighed out the nasty weather, the gusty. Usually there's rain, snow,

695
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything mixed in with it, and

696
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: they like that following day and getting up and covering ground.

697
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: Their precipitation is over, so they're gonna open up and

698
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: refreshen all of their scrapes too. So I knew the

699
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: date and the conditions were right. There was one thing

700
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: that I was looking for, and as I so, I

701
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: go to US prime times for moon position. It was

702
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: about four or five days after the full moon. I

703
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: really don't care about the phase it was in, but

704
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: on that day there was a moon miner, which means

705
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: the moon was going to set at about eleven thirty

706
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: that day. And I actually told my wife the night before,

707
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: I said I'm getting up early. I'm gonna go kill brutus.

708
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: And I said I'm gonna hunt til two o'clock because

709
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: I said, we've got a moon miner right around noon.

710
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: And the coolest thing was I you saw the stand.

711
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: I headed into that stand, got into that stand in

712
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: right ten minutes after daylight. I had one year and

713
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: a half old buck behind a young dough acting a

714
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: bit bucky, but not he He was not chasing, he

715
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: was just followinger. And you know, they moved out, and

716
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: just like I expected, there was zero deer movement. I

717
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: saw some turkeys and some squirrels, and I think I

718
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: saw one coyote come through, but there was very little

719
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: deer movement. A couple of dolls here and there off

720
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: in the edge stand up the hinge cut that I

721
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: was watching. And as it got closer to that time,

722
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: and I was very aware of the time that it

723
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: was gonna be it was. I remember looking because I

724
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: always have a watch on my backpack just to keep track.

725
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: It was twenty minutes to eleven, and here comes a buck.

726
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: And then right after that, boy, here's two doughs, and

727
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: here's some funds. Here's another buck. And for twenty minutes,

728
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: the only word I can use as pandemonium. Out in

729
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: that stand, I had fifty deer, seven antler bucks, three bucks,

730
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: three and a half in older moving around in front

731
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: of me. Just give me a show. In my lifetime,

732
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: there was You saw all those scrapes where there were

733
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: bucks hitting scrapes, There were bucks rubbing. There was a

734
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: buck in that hinge cut, snort, wheezing. Uh my, my

735
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: real cool ten point, I call Mr Perfect. He was

736
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: out there. And the coolest thing was as I got

737
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: closer to eleven and I was not watching the clock,

738
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: then I watched. I had a couple three of the

739
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 1: bucks off to my be to my more, a little

740
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: bit south and little east, and I noticed them all

741
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: turned their heads and looked to the west. At that

742
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: my moment, I heard something coming. I turned my head.

743
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: Here comes Brutus and he and like all mature bucks,

744
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: he's not fooling around, he's not walking slow. It's it's

745
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: not a it's not a trot, but it's just short

746
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: of a trot. You've seen that how they come through

747
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: the woods at that time of the year. And I

748
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: had just enough time to get my bow and he

749
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: was in the shooting lane and I grunted and he stopped,

750
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: and I made a perfect double long shot and in

751
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: fifteen seconds he was on the ground dead. So what

752
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: do you think he was doing? Like? Why was he

753
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: coming from where he was coming and heading headed? So

754
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: I had a pretty good idea where he was betting,

755
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: and I showed you guys later hinge cut, so about

756
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: a hundred yards and there is a hinge cut on

757
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: a hill that bucks typically use. So my goal when

758
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: I went in there that morning was if he's where

759
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: I think he is, he'll be in that hinge cut,

760
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: he'll wait until just before that moon miner and he'll

761
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: start cruising for doze. So he was trying to get

762
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: south of that betting area with a northwest wind. He's

763
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: trying to get on the down wind side of that

764
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: betting area to cross any trail and smell any doze

765
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,479
Speaker 1: that are an estress, And that really is his goal.

766
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: And I just cut him off just before he got

767
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, perfect perfect placement. Then with that, with

768
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: that that barrier hinge cut to it narrows down the

769
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: area that he might go through, the perfect spot between

770
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: the betting areas. I mean, it was a beautiful, beautiful setup.

771
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: It's a really good set. And and and that was

772
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: two years in the making. I had to relocate that

773
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: stay in a couple of times, but that was my

774
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: first time in this year. So there's a handful of

775
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: things within that I'd like pick a part of more.

776
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: But you talked about the moon miner, and interestingly, a

777
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: few months before this hunt, I actually called you to

778
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: to get some insight for an art Claus writing and

779
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: you talked about this your perspective on the moon. Because

780
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: there's so many different theories about the moon. Some studies

781
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: show that there's nothing to the moon. Some people swear

782
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: by the moon, some people swear by moon positions, some

783
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: people swear the moon phase. Some people swear by what

784
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: color of the moon is and what the stars are

785
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: lined up. But what what's your take on the moon? Um,

786
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: because you mentioned the moon minor, can you kind of

787
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: elaborate in general? What matters? How do you look at it?

788
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: So for me, just so that everybody can understand, it's

789
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: it's a position of the moon, and there's the moon

790
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: is closest to the Earth and farthest from the Earth

791
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: at two times during the day. And so when the

792
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: moon is directly overhead or directly under underneath, that's called

793
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: a major that's and that's closest to the Earth typically.

794
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: And then when it's on the horizon the moon is

795
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: either rising or setting, it's also fairly close to the Earth.

796
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: So it's believed to be a gravitational poll. There may

797
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: be more to it than that. Only time I pay

798
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: attention to it is when it's at eleven eleven thirty,

799
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: when it's a non peak movement period. You know, deer

800
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: a precuspual animals, they moved that first hour and a

801
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: half a daylight, that last hour and a half a daylight.

802
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: So if you have a peak moon position during that time,

803
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: it's not gonna make a big difference anyway, but it's

804
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 1: really going to make a big difference in an odd

805
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: time of the day when deer normally aren't moving. Imagine

806
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: how many hunters went out on November eight there was

807
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: zero deer moving. They they sat till ten ten thirty

808
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 1: and said, well, heck with that, I'm going back getting

809
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: some coffee and it was just getting good. And so

810
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: it's not the end all, but but when you have

811
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: all the other factors, I've done it enough to see

812
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: it work, so so yes, And this is something we

813
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: ask a lot of people and I'm always endlessly fascinated

814
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: by it. But how would you rank than all these

815
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: different factors that might increase or decreased dear movement? Because

816
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: you talked about timing and being really or so you

817
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: mentioned that, you mentioned a bunch, but can you just

818
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: kind of prioritize them for time of year? First ten

819
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: days in November definitely a huge factor. Okay, because where

820
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: we're at in this part of Michigan that is pretty

821
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: much the seeking phase and the pre rut. So that's

822
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: so that's number one timing, And then I'm gonna go

823
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: with weather conditions. It was post cold front, a gusty

824
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: five to eight mile an hour northwest wind, and it

825
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 1: was also high pressure. Uh, I'm not the only guy

826
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: that talks about high pressure. A lot of guys focus

827
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: on high pressure. I think I think high pressure gets

828
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: a lot of deer up and moving. They don't they

829
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: don't know why, but it gets moving. So I'd rank

830
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: that I'd rank those three conditions first and then the

831
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: fourth one being moon position. So we talked about how

832
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: you sweeten your betting areas. Would you look at the moon?

833
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: Is that kind of sweetener to these other things that

834
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: you want all these other factors, and that's gonna tell you, yeah,

835
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna be good. Then if also this moon factor

836
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 1: lines up and it tells me that you might want

837
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: to pay a little extra attention to this point of

838
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: the day, that kind of just gives you a little

839
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: bit more reason to be yeah, rather than going back

840
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: to get coffee at ten, stay till afternoon, right through

841
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: that moon fade factor position in that phase and just

842
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: see what it gets you. Because you know, I think

843
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: if you did that ten years in a row, always

844
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: played that, you'd probably find that six of those years

845
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: it was good. Some years everything's right. So I mean,

846
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: you can have the sweetened betting the right day, the

847
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: right time of the year, the right weather conditions. You

848
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: just don't see that shooter. There's a lot of things

849
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: that happened we don't know about. He goes left right.

850
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: He got in a fight with a buck the night before,

851
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: and he's licking his wounds somewhere you don't know what's

852
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: going on, But all things being equal, I think we

853
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: stand a better chance. You know how hard it is market.

854
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: It seems like we have to line everything up, don't we,

855
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: you know? And if I can add one thing, I've

856
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: learned in the last ten years to be very disciplined

857
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: and just stayed to hack out of my good areas

858
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: until it's right. Yeah, I think that contributes huge. Okay,

859
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: a fresh sad. No one will tell you any differently,

860
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: first time in fresh stand is the best opportunity you'll

861
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: ever have to kill a mature buck. So so on

862
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: that point, we talked about it a lot out there

863
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: when we were walking. Before you killed Brutus. How many

864
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: times had you been in hunting that season? So I

865
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: know you were looking for just that perfect for as

866
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 1: far as a rut, that was my third rut hunt

867
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: of the whole property, of the whole property, and I

868
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: did the first time on that stand, first time in

869
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: that stand. I hunted um just November three. I hunted

870
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: with a decoy, had a very successful hunt, could have

871
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: killed a really neat dear, but he was just too young.

872
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: But everything was perfect and that happened to be a

873
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: cold front as well. It was an evening hunt. It's

874
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: easy to get in, just had fun, got the greatest

875
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: video and it learned so much about that dear, and

876
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: then uh, November seven, I told you about my real

877
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: hard to get to stand on the opposite side of

878
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: the water when a there and hunted until afternoon and

879
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: never had a shooter. It was kind of debt. But

880
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: the moon position was not good interest and there could

881
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: have been other factors there too, but it was not

882
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: post cold front. The cold front rolled in on the

883
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: evening of November seven, and it was so it was

884
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: the morning of November eight was post cold front. That

885
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: could have something to do with the two, but that

886
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: was three separate hunts. It was the right time of

887
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: the year. And then finally I'll pulled together and that

888
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: was a great day because I I had probably ten

889
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: minutes before I passed him. I passed a hundred and

890
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: twenty point. It's a hard pass in Michigan. I got

891
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: good video at him and he's easy eighteen inside. Wow. Nice,

892
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a great one this year. Yeah. Based

893
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: on what I'm hearing, it sounds like you've got some

894
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: very promising things look forward. To this year. But I'm

895
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: hoping between that deer and then the Mr Perfect you

896
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: were talking about. So you know, it's like with everything,

897
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: I don't care what you do in life. The harder

898
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: you work, the luckier you get. Okay, So I do

899
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: work hard on my habitat. I worked. I worked very

900
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: hard in the habitat, getting the trail systems right, getting

901
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: my stands in the right location. And then one thing

902
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: we haven't touched on, but I know we talked about

903
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: this two years ago and it's a said ways Perfect.

904
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: I work really hard on my set control. Yeah. Yeah,

905
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: so let's talk a little bit about that too. I

906
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: know we talked a little bit, but give us a

907
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: refresher on that, because again, all we've talked about how

908
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: important timing is, and timing is important because you're trying

909
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: to minimize your pressure on deer until the right times,

910
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: and by being really smart about set control, you're also

911
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: minimizing that pressure. So most people think, oh, yeah, I'm

912
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: good at sect control. I take a shower and I

913
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: buy this, I buy the spray and I spray myself

914
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: and I wear a carbon suit. So I'm pretty good

915
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: at my set control. And for most people, that is

916
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: pretty good, But I go much farther than that. I

917
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: use zero light to cover my body. I've walked you through.

918
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean the moment I get out of my shower,

919
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: I dry with a towel that is not in the

920
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: family laundry. It gets it gets washed in a separate wash.

921
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: Every layer I wear gets covered with zeol powder. All

922
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: of my clothing is exposed in an ozone room, exposed

923
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: to ozone and as I layer up in the bottoms

924
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: of my boots are in carbon activated toates, constantly washed.

925
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's probably the biggest key is the

926
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: bottom of your boots, the bottom and the edges of

927
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: your boots. So these boots that I wear hunting never

928
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: get in a truck, never go to a restaurant, a

929
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: gas station, They never touch pavement. They only sit in

930
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: a tote where they go hunting. They get washed after

931
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: every hunt, completely retreated, dried, covered in zeo light. Um,

932
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a bit of I leave white tracks going

933
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: across my y when I walk out of my walkout

934
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: base from it. I mean, you can see it in

935
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: the grass, and that's the zeal light stuck on the

936
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: bottom of my boots. But I think it. It gets

937
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: me in because you saw where I hunt, deer are

938
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: going to cross my path. There's no way it can't happen.

939
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: So a lot of these dose young bucks, middle age

940
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 1: bucks cross it and they just have no clue. I

941
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: was there, and that's all I want to do with

942
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: I can't if they're downwind to me, they're gonna smell me.

943
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: But I honestly believe they think I'm a hundred yards

944
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: away and I'm not twenty yards. That's all I want,

945
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: and that that can sometimes make and I think too.

946
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: To segue a little bit as the why it's so important,

947
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: along with how often we hunt as great a property

948
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: as it is, is how many pictures are getting of

949
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: Holy Field. If we go in and hunt and we

950
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: aren't successful, and we go again and we're not successful,

951
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: and we go again and we're not successful. At night

952
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: when we're sleeping, every deer in that area is learning

953
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: about whoever's hunting that deer, So it's an accumulated effect.

954
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: The harder we hunt them, the harder they are to kill.

955
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm convinced, okay, And I killed the five and a

956
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: half year old buck in a very similar situation trying

957
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: to get downwind of a big dough betting area first

958
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: time in that was right. He super cool. Here, this

959
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: is right here, right here. You know, he never was

960
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: gonna grow much, but he was the toughest critter he

961
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 1: ever saw. Walk us through that scenario than too, because

962
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: I feel like I always find that these specific examples

963
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: are the most helpful for me, like hearing exactly why

964
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: you did what you did, how it worked, what happened.

965
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: The coolest thing was right he was all the history

966
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: I had this year from from the time he was

967
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: a year and a half old. He was fighting. Every

968
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: time I saw him, he was fighting, and he was

969
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: always breaking all of his antlers off, even as a

970
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: year and a half yet one antler and he was

971
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: a four point and he all he had with one

972
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: time on it, you know, and he he was out

973
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: there all puffed up, just just fighting everybody. And I

974
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: just thought he was, you know, just an angry little

975
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: year to half. When he got when he got to

976
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: be two and a half, and that's this two and

977
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: a half shed right there, threw five. He grew five

978
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: on the right and he just had a fork with

979
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: some little stickers on his left. And I wasn't sure

980
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: what was wrong with him, but I just thought he

981
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: was a be cool dear. But it was the same thing.

982
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: If I got any pictures he was fighting, I did

983
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: because he was two and a half. I saw him

984
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 1: a couple of times, got some video, got some pictures.

985
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: So let him get the three and a half. And

986
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: at that point, I've done enough research with other dear

987
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: biologists and I talked to actually talked to Kep Adams

988
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: and uh Matt Ross about this dear, and they said, yeah,

989
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: it's probably a pedical injury and that that type of thing,

990
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: and so I was willing to see what would happen,

991
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 1: so I let him go to four and a half.

992
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: I passed him once at at three and a half

993
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: with a with a muzzleloader because I had killed that

994
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: ten point the year before, which was a really good

995
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: afternoon hunt. So I've I've gotten pretty good at killing

996
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: nice mature dear on this farm. So I passed righty

997
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: because I had already killed a pretty decent ten point.

998
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: So now he moves into four and a half, and

999
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: as a four and a half year old, you would

1000
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: never get a picture of this deer in velvet with

1001
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: another bug. If you got a picture of him. He

1002
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: was always alone and the only time you saw him

1003
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: with another deer it was during the seeking and chasing phase.

1004
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: He was fighting. So he was a pretty cool deer.

1005
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: And so I wrote an article after I killed him

1006
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: in the Quality White Tales called Righty the Fighter, just

1007
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: because of who he was, and he fought a lot.

1008
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 1: But I got enough data on that deer by the

1009
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: time he was four and a half to basically focus

1010
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: on an area he was spending time and make sure

1011
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: I hunt that during that four or five days. I

1012
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: got daylight pictures of him the year before, so that's

1013
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: what I did. I looked back on the calendar, reviewed

1014
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: the photos, saw the days. Those days were November eleventh

1015
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: through November fifte of the prior year, so we had

1016
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: November twelfth of sixteen. We had post cold front, high pressure,

1017
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: moon major at eight thirty that morning, northwest wind, so

1018
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: he saw the stand I got into because I got

1019
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,479
Speaker 1: more pictures of him in that area than anywhere. I thought,

1020
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: he's probably cruising through here trying to get into that

1021
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: corridor and get down wind of those doughs. So that

1022
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: was a morning hunt. That was the first deer through

1023
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: that morning. I shot him at twenty after eight. Can

1024
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: you describe how that stand layout was in relation to

1025
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: the habitat, because this is a different spot than the

1026
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: bird spot. I think you called this the refrigerators, called

1027
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: the refrigerators because there's an old refrigerator about forty yards

1028
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: away from there that's been there since I was just

1029
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: a teenager. So the previous owner of this property used

1030
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: that part of the property as a dump. That's what

1031
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: I called the refrigerator. But what it is is a

1032
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: it's a highland understand, twenty two ft to this uh

1033
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: to either I think we're we're the feet are I

1034
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: think it's twenty four Where I'm city and I'm in

1035
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: a double white oak right on the edge of the water,

1036
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: and there's a major deer corridor travel zone just to

1037
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: the south of me about fifteen yards and I'm right

1038
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: up tight to the water, and I'm on the west

1039
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: end of all this hinge cutting area. If people can

1040
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: see this, So I utilize water as a pinch, and

1041
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm uptight against that water trying to catch a

1042
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: buck going up and down that cord or either going

1043
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: from the west to the east or the east of

1044
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: the west. Because you never quite know the tail wind

1045
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: that deer was tail winding that day, and his goal

1046
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: was to get down wind of that betting area. He

1047
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: was heading into that dough betting area searching for doughs,

1048
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: and I just happened to be there, and again it

1049
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: was first time in It was gosh, maybe maybe ten

1050
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: yards was the shot. It was very close and the

1051
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: same thing. He didn't go forty yards and it was great.

1052
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: You talked about how you used trail camera data from

1053
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: the year before, and when we were out walking around,

1054
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: you showed us a handful of spots where you usually

1055
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 1: get good pictures during the year, and you had some

1056
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: cameras out right now monitoring some summer activity and stuff.

1057
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: Can you just walk us through your trail camera up

1058
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: um strategy basically how you managed to do that without

1059
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: screwing things up, because I think most of us who's

1060
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: ever gotten trail cameras and had a good deer to

1061
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: ace have probably broken all the right laws that we

1062
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 1: know we shouldn't do, and that as we check them

1063
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: too often, we don't pay attention to our scent like

1064
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: we think we should. We're still getting pictures of deer,

1065
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: so it can't be bothering them, right, And if you

1066
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: want to learn a lot about your deer, just put

1067
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: your camera on video mode and see how they react

1068
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: once they see that camera. Teaching awful. I don't know

1069
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: if you've ever done that or not. You know, I

1070
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: never use the video mode of mind. I really shouldn't,

1071
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: and you will find mature bucks doing things you cannot

1072
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: believe along with those. Yeah. So, but what I do

1073
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: is I have two scrapes that are easy to get

1074
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: to that I haven't I do not hunt around, but

1075
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: I can drive my cart right to it, and so

1076
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: I use those scrapes to monitor because I've found over

1077
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: the years these two scrapes, ones over on the east

1078
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: end of the property. The old one is right in

1079
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: the core of my habitat a little food plot. If

1080
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: I can monitor mature buck movement on those scrapes, because

1081
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: that's all I'm concerned about. You know, some people just

1082
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: want to get pictures of deer or that doesn't matter

1083
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: to me during the rut, and I'm not gonna have

1084
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 1: one game camera anywhere where I'm hunting. And the reason is,

1085
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care if it's a cell cam.

1086
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't care how you get the data into your

1087
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: phone or in your computer. If it's made out of

1088
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: plastic and has batteries in it, the you're gonna smell it.

1089
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: We gotta give them that kind of credit, right, Yeah.

1090
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 1: And I just think now that cameras have been used

1091
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: for pretty much twenty years, probably a lot of deer

1092
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: that snow that a box on the tree is not

1093
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: good news. Yeah. Yeah, I'm really starting to believe that.

1094
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: You know, just like when tree stands first were legal

1095
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: in Michigan, it was easy, and now everything looks up. Yes,

1096
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: I think there's accumulation going on there. So you're going

1097
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: in there on the cart, grabbing those cards without spooking anything,

1098
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: getting out of there, and trying to do it at noon.

1099
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: I do it on noon on Saturdays. I mean, you

1100
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: picked the day, but for me, that's a day i'm

1101
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: home usually in the fall. My thought process is, I'm

1102
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: monitoring those cards all through the month of October. Number one,

1103
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: I want to make sure Brutus or Righty or whoever

1104
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: I've got is actively using the farm and hitting scrapes,

1105
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: and he's here, so I know he's here. Now I'm

1106
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: seeing when he's here, and you literally see him go

1107
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: from two am, four am to five thirty, six thirty.

1108
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: Now he's there at seven am and it's daylight, So

1109
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: now he's moving during daylight. So once I get that information,

1110
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,879
Speaker 1: then I'm waiting for all those other factors. Then I hunt.

1111
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: So what happens if you get a daylight picture or

1112
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: series of daily pictures outside of that prime time? So

1113
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: let's say you get up for whatever reason October fifteenth,

1114
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Brutus is walking in daylight in

1115
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: that area. Do you throw all the other things on

1116
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: the table and say, I gotta hunt tomorrow or do

1117
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 1: you think it's an anomaly. It's not gonna happen again.

1118
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: For myself, everything is set up for that prime time,

1119
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: so I won't want I may hunt a non rut area.

1120
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: Say I know for sure he just went to or

1121
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: came from a food plot edge with your man. He's

1122
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,479
Speaker 1: up moving, it's crazy. You shouldn't be moving. I'm gonna

1123
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: hunt that tomorrow night because you might kill him. I

1124
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: mean you really could. Yeah, it does happen, so you're

1125
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: just not You're not gonna go into your very But

1126
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go into my best spots until it's

1127
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: the right time. Of the year, just where we're some

1128
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: of the other things you were thinking about when you

1129
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: were walking out there, questions you had. I just want

1130
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: to back up real quick talking about the refrigerator stand.

1131
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: Can you explain the wires that you had Uh strung

1132
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: up there across it's it's an area. Whether it's as

1133
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: much as I have early succession, this is an area

1134
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: that I don't have bedding going on. So I have

1135
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: some larger mature trees as you saw, so I didn't

1136
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: have any small trees to create licking branches. So I

1137
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: ran too straight, just just plain wire, I guess, dispense

1138
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: wire between two trees about five yards apart, probably starting

1139
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: in about six ft to seven ft, and then I

1140
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: used plastic electrical zip ties and tied four or five

1141
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: limbs and trimmed them all so they would be about

1142
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: shoulder high. And you can see it was about twenty

1143
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: five yards out in front of my stand, and it

1144
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: was right over a deer corridor, and so all the

1145
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: bucks coming and going stop right there and use that

1146
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: licking branch. So it's a great place to shoot. You

1147
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: have many many, I mean so many scrapes on your property,

1148
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: and we I think it was maybe further to ask

1149
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: you what what percentage of those scrapes were man made

1150
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: versus natural made? Um? Number one, how many scrapes do

1151
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: you think are out there? And number two? Can you

1152
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: talk through all the different things you do as far

1153
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: as how you create or manipulate scrapes, licking branches, all

1154
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: that stuff? And why? Uh? First question, how many scrapes

1155
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: out there did I manipulate? Probably? Okay, Uh, what's the

1156
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: easiest way to do it? You've got a uh, You've

1157
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: got a three inch diameter cherry right on a trail,

1158
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: and it's got four or five limbs on it. But

1159
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: the limbs start three ft from the ground and they

1160
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: end up, you know, ten ft. You can take a

1161
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: piece of parachute corrid or wire and pull that limb

1162
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: down to the base of the tree to get that

1163
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: limb about shoulder high, and I trim it with with

1164
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: clippers so that it's right there chewed off just like

1165
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: anything you see they do naturally. And then I take

1166
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: a rake. Can I rake about a three ft area

1167
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: underneath it? If there's grass and vegetation, I actually take

1168
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: the time and use round up and kill everything. Come

1169
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: back A couple of weeks later rake it all up

1170
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: and I never use any cent or anything. I just

1171
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 1: go right down one and as soon as one deer

1172
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: uses it, they all use it. So, um, there's a

1173
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: lot of different ways you can do it. I talked

1174
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: about the wire pulling down a limb is the easiest. Um.

1175
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: I think lots of scrapes in areas where bucks are

1176
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: transitioning and where their food is and where their bedding

1177
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: is keeps them busy. And especially as we get closer

1178
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: and closer to the rut, I believe there's a lot

1179
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: more communication and competition amongst bucks then we give them credit.

1180
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: I mean there's something magical going on with this scrape.

1181
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean a buck dispenses cent on it and another

1182
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: buck doesn't. Pretty soon you get does on it, and

1183
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: all the good dear biologists will tell you that the

1184
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: does are priming that esterrus back and forth. There's that

1185
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: there's a chemical communication going on. So I think the

1186
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: more of that I have within bow range of my stand,

1187
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: the better chance I have of getting a shot of

1188
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: that shooter. Do is there any does that apply to

1189
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: field edges versus back in the cover or is it?

1190
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: What kind of thoughts do you have around the location.

1191
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: Field edge scrapes are pretty much I mean all of

1192
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: us have probably watched the buck work of field edge scrape.

1193
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: It's kind of random, uh, no real predictability to it.

1194
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: If if he's there, he's going to use it most

1195
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: of the time. Especially say your egg fields farmers got

1196
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: a forty acre bean field and you walk down at

1197
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: one fence row and you see six big old scrapes

1198
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: and they're nice ones and probably ninety center that uses

1199
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: after dark just because it's a field edge and it's

1200
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: it's open, and they don't like to be in the open.

1201
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: But those in the cover, especially that transition and you

1202
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: saw a number of those transition scrapes where I'm going

1203
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: from really good hinging to a fairly somewhat open hardwoods

1204
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: right back into really thick cover again where I have

1205
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: these micro food plots. So those bucks feel real comfortable

1206
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: coming in and staging, moving around. They're not in the

1207
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: open by any degree, and so they're gonna work those

1208
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: scrapes and do their thing and communicate with their buddies

1209
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: and go rub some big popple and cherry trees and

1210
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 1: show off them. So it seems like a lot, but

1211
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that's where habitat really comes in. If you

1212
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: don't have early succession to get the trees that you

1213
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: can ultimately have mock scrapes growing okay naturally and get

1214
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: the cover they feel safe standing in during daylight. That's

1215
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do. We're trying to kill these

1216
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: deer when it's daylight and they're just nerve of us

1217
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: creatures that prefer nighttime. Yeah, so you've hunted a big

1218
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: mature deer in Michigan. They don't show themselves very often,

1219
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: are less than I wish they were. We all wish

1220
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: you know. Um, you know, I think one of the

1221
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: things with scrapes. A lot of beginner hunters and I

1222
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: was the same way. At first, you thought, oh, if

1223
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: there's a scrape, I should That's why I hay my

1224
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: tree stand. It was like this visual sign that said, hey,

1225
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: there was a buck here that seemed like a great

1226
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: place to hang your stand. It seems like, as I'm

1227
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: looking at the way you're approaching things, you're hanging your

1228
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: stands place in places based off of habitat features and

1229
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: how deer will utilize those, and then you're making sure

1230
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: there are scrapes near that best spot so as to

1231
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: either slow them down once they pass through or maybe

1232
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: encourage a little bit of extra movement in the area

1233
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: around the activity. You said, Yep, that's a good way

1234
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: of saying it. Because I build the features first, That's

1235
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: the most important thing. Can I get into it, not

1236
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: be seen, not be heard, hopefully you know, successfully get there?

1237
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: Is that? Now? Is there enough reason to keep deer

1238
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: constantly moving? You know? Is your betting area? Is there's

1239
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: your food? Are there all these other reason? No scrapes

1240
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: are just the extra element. I've got some scrapes in there.

1241
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: If young bucks are in there working no scrapes, and

1242
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 1: then an older maturity are comes in there, he's got

1243
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: to come in there and dispense his scent too, because

1244
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's a big man in charge, and

1245
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: he's got to show off, and and they're gonna duck

1246
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: right out of there pretty quick. Anyways. And I think

1247
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: this is a good thing to even think about. Even

1248
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 1: if you aren't in an area that you can manipulate habitat,

1249
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: even if you can't create these features, find those features

1250
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: and then then create some mock scrapes or something to

1251
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: sweeten the pot a little bit. But again I would

1252
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: at least the way I typically look at it. Unless

1253
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: you find one of these areas where there's almost like

1254
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: what you've created, where you're back and cover, where all

1255
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 1: the features are right, and then you see this natural

1256
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: cluster of scrapes all over, then that's that. Then that's

1257
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: your blinking red light that we've got all these things

1258
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: coming together. Sometimes you walk onto a property and it's

1259
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: just there, you know. Sometimes it's just everything's right. It's

1260
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: naturally thick topographies, right, there's a cluster of scrapes, there's

1261
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: good food. All guy's gotta do is go in there

1262
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: and hang. Yeah, but most of the time we don't.

1263
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: You talked about you mentioned access that we've talked about

1264
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: access a decent bit. But as we walk through your property,

1265
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: we saw a lot of different ways that you implement

1266
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: smart access routes or exit routes from your stands to

1267
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: make sure that you can utilize as properly. This jam

1268
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: packed with great deer habitat, but you're still able to

1269
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: hunt it in a way, but it doesn't overpressure those deer.

1270
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: Can you talk about the different ways you've gone about

1271
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: improving or thinking through access from I can't Um, we

1272
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 1: didn't stop and talk, but you saw a lot of

1273
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: my natural spruce tree lines, so I grew. I planted

1274
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: a lot of Norway spruce thirty years ago in a

1275
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: line so I could walk right along beside them in

1276
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: a mode path quietly to get me to an area

1277
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to hunt. Now, normally those stop before I

1278
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: get to that stand, and then from that point on

1279
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm hinging or growing a lower cover. And I'm very

1280
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: disciplined about mowing that path to my stand, spraying it

1281
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: with round up in late August, just prior to when

1282
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: they go hard antler, so that when it does come

1283
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: the right day to hunt, that I have pretty quiet,

1284
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: easy access. And I've been guilty of going out at

1285
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock at night, two nights before I plan to

1286
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: hunt a stand with a leaf blower and blowing that

1287
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: path clean before leaf blowers. I did it with a

1288
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: hand rake, And that's there's a lot of guys that

1289
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: used to read about this twenty years ago. I always

1290
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 1: wonder about this because because the leaf drop takes place

1291
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: right during our prime time, and sometimes we're going into

1292
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: areas where there's going to be dear and it's tough

1293
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: so I always I'm faced this dilema too. I was like,

1294
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 1: what's worse? Is it the sound when I walk in?

1295
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: You know? And so in a situation like that during

1296
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: the run, I would try to go in super duper early.

1297
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: And sure, I'm not going through an area where there's

1298
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: gonna be deer feeding or something and maybe in you know,

1299
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: two hours for daylight or something, but in making noise

1300
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: walking in there. So what's worse walking in there and

1301
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: making noise or going like you said, in the middle

1302
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: of the night or a rainy day or something like

1303
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: that and making that, you know, raking and everything. I

1304
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: don't know. But then you're leaving, You're leaving footprints center

1305
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: all these different things. When you're doing that, it's like

1306
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: balancing act. That's very balancing act. And so I I

1307
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: typically prior to the leaf blower, and it was a rake.

1308
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: It was always in the rain. I would literally go

1309
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: out in the rain. Now I was wearing clothing, was

1310
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: a scent control that I could be, you know, rake

1311
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: in the rain. And actually it's good because the leaves

1312
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: are wet. Instead of I'm just scattering, they just kind

1313
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: of go off to the side, and so it works

1314
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: real good, and you can just make yourself a nice

1315
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: little ten twelve inch wide path and you get right.

1316
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: And then when I use the leaf blower, but it

1317
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: still is under generally those conditions. It's a lot of

1318
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: times we get that cold front and I'm waiting for

1319
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: a day or two after that major cold front for

1320
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: the high pressure to come up. So again, I'm in

1321
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: good sent free boots and nets sort of thing, but

1322
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,479
Speaker 1: I'm using the leaf blower. This is the right time

1323
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: of the year. At that time of the year, those

1324
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: deer and not in those betting years. I can get

1325
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: in there at eleven o'clock at night and pretty much

1326
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: never run into a deer. I'm gonna run into them

1327
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: going by the food plots, It's where I'm gonna run

1328
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: into him. Do you think that utilizing a leafblower, which

1329
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: sounds like a big machine makes them less scared? If that,

1330
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: even if you did bump deer, because it sounds some

1331
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: kind of machinery or something that they hear you coming

1332
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: way before you get there, and then they hear you

1333
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: with the senters, I think, yeah, I think you're not

1334
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: surprising them. The worst is the guy sneaking in just

1335
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: like they're not as spooked by a truck farmers, tractor

1336
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: drivers the field or something. But I wonder if that's

1337
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: what's going on there too. It's interesting. So you know,

1338
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: I I use uh cave and rock switch grass my

1339
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: warm season plantings as a screen, like I can utilize

1340
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: to that, and you saw where I can use that

1341
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: to my favor getting into certain places, hinge cutting low

1342
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: as a screen, growing conifers in a line, and then

1343
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: a Mscanthus grass as well. So there's and there's also sorghum.

1344
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different things we can do with

1345
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of time to have a really good

1346
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: screen by this fall if we just plan for it

1347
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: right now. Can you talk about Mscantus crass because I

1348
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: don't think I've had anyone in the show who's talked

1349
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: about using that before. Okay, so, so Mscanthus grass is

1350
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: a perennial almost a reed grass. It's an ornamental grass,

1351
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: but that particular grass is a sterile. It does not

1352
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 1: it's not invasive. Even though it has a flower top,

1353
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't spread by seed. It has rhizones, which is

1354
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: kind of like a long bulb. So you plant those

1355
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: about two inches deep and in two to three years,

1356
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: you're getting up with a cluster of fifteen to thirty

1357
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: pretty much not quite as big as your thumb, but

1358
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,639
Speaker 1: about at the base and ten to twelve feet tall,

1359
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: with a flower head on it and in a few leaves,

1360
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: and if and if you plant them on like twelve

1361
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: to eighteen inch centers and do two rows of them,

1362
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: you literally will have a wall deer can't see through,

1363
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: and neither can you. So if you plan ahead for anything,

1364
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: and especially some open hill country I've been in a

1365
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: lot of my clients have planted and have a great

1366
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: luck with it. And there's a Hillsdale County farm I

1367
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: was on just a couple of weeks ago, and when

1368
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: I was there five years ago, I mentioned that I'd

1369
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,839
Speaker 1: recommend do that. He got ahold of somebody got planted,

1370
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: and it's just changed his access because he's got a

1371
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: cabin on a hill and a lot of open ground

1372
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: and it's stuffs twelve feet tall, and he can walk

1373
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: right by a food plot and he's got a hinge

1374
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 1: cutting twenty yards in the woods. He's on the other

1375
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: side of the grass. He can get by that hinge cutting.

1376
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: And it's not like the deer don't know you're there.

1377
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: They just think it's like pheasant hunting, you know how

1378
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: we you walk and then you jump a bird, you know,

1379
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 1: when you were standing there talking and then all of

1380
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: a sudden, or you jump a deer when you're right

1381
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 1: in the grasses, because they just felt you were to

1382
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,600
Speaker 1: bump into them. So I think screening is really beneficial

1383
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: in getting by dear when you have more dear on

1384
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: your property, especially when you start doing a kind of

1385
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: habitat work that I've done. Has that gained popularity over

1386
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: recent years, It seems like everybody. A lot of people

1387
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: have been talking about like the last year or two,

1388
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: and there's a couple of companies here in Michigan that

1389
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: slid and provide it, okay, And I know they're very busy.

1390
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 1: And you know when that many years ago, not many

1391
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: guys would order two hundred or three hundred rhizones. What

1392
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: are you gonna do with that? It's habitat And now

1393
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: I think that's just all they hear. And I mean,

1394
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure they've got other clients. Yeah, speaking of access,

1395
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 1: you pointed out a handful spots on the property where

1396
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: you specifically didn't make any habitat improvements. And you left

1397
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: it kind of wide open. And I've heard this referred to,

1398
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: and I've kind of referred to as like a dear desert.

1399
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: It's like having a portion of your property that's not attractive.

1400
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: Can you talk about why that's important, how how that

1401
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: factors into what you're doing. Because you saw the places

1402
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: where I've killed writing, where I killed brutus, and that's

1403
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: everything's right edges early succession, So I expect Dear to

1404
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 1: be betting there and utilizing them during all whether you know,

1405
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: during non rut periods and through rout period in the

1406
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: late season. These are these are the best five star

1407
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 1: hotels I've been able to build for him. If I

1408
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 1: have an area that I've done nothing and it's a

1409
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: deer desert and there's very little, if any early successional growth,

1410
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: and it's a wide open woods, do you er do

1411
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,719
Speaker 1: not really want to spend time there? And why would

1412
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 1: they if they've got such a great place a hundred

1413
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 1: yards away to spend time. So I use those open

1414
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: woods is as access to move through. Say you want

1415
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: to get into somewhere half an hour or an hour

1416
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: before daylight, I can walk through there and pretty much

1417
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: not I'm not going to run into a bedded deer. Yeah,

1418
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: so allows me in, and it's also future places for

1419
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: me to work. When that great betting area I showed

1420
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: you where I killed brutus. Over time, that's gonna degrade,

1421
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: trees are gonna get big, they're gonna start maturing. So

1422
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna shift over and do another spot and

1423
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: duplicate it, and the deer will move over, and then

1424
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: three or four years later I'll go back and refine

1425
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: that other one. Then i'll have you saw that corridor

1426
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: going down the edge. Then I'll maintain that center corridor,

1427
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 1: and then I'll just have two really cool places. So

1428
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: there's always a plan and what I'm trying to do. Yeah, yeah,

1429
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean it's very Everything is thought through, and I

1430
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: think that for there's a lot of different people to

1431
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: talk about habitat work. There's a lot of people that

1432
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: try doing different things with their habitat It's all cool,

1433
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: it's all fun, and it can all make a difference.

1434
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: But what I'm always most fascinated by, and what I'm

1435
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 1: always most impressed by, are those that can really have

1436
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 1: this very strategic view of it. You don't do anything

1437
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,879
Speaker 1: by accident. Nothing's being put here just because it's easiest

1438
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: to put it there. Um. I think if you're going

1439
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: to make improvements that benefit your deer herd, but you're

1440
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 1: also a deer hunter, you might as well put them

1441
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: in and strategically place them and create them in a

1442
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 1: way that's gonna help your hunting best um, And that's

1443
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: definitely happening on this property. Um, First, what do you got?

1444
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: Can can we talk a second? You know, we talked

1445
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: a little bit about out there about how um, you

1446
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: tend to get more deer into your property at certain

1447
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: times of the year, just based on the habitat that's around.

1448
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: Can you maybe talk a little bit about you know,

1449
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: we're just talking about the deer deserts, maybe a little

1450
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: about how that how you have used the properties around

1451
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: you too, UM, help stack the stack the deck in

1452
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: your favor during those times and utilize what they're doing

1453
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: to benefit you, if that makes a right. I think

1454
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: I know where you're where you're going with this, because

1455
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: I do have neighbors other properties that people are not

1456
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: doing anything other than some roal crops, whether beans or corn.

1457
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: But around here it seems like it's more beans. It's

1458
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 1: seldom as their corn growing around here, it's it's beans, wheat, uh,

1459
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: that type of thing. But when you have everything, and

1460
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: I talked about the magic triangle. You've heard me two

1461
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 1: years ago. I told you about that, and that is

1462
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: abundant food, water, and cover, all closely associated to each other.

1463
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: So that really stands out here now that you've had

1464
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: a chance to walk it. And of course we had

1465
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: a little more water than normal because all this rain

1466
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 1: we've had. But everything they need is right there. So

1467
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: you take the uh, not the best properties, but they're

1468
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: holding some deer and they've got some egg fields. And

1469
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: then there's a few bow hunters that hunt that property.

1470
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 1: Now gun season starts, so now you know not only

1471
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: the landowner but his cousin and his nephews and their

1472
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: three friends. And hey, they're they're gun hunters, they're not

1473
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: bow hunters. So they drive their trucks and they slammed

1474
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: their doors and they hunt the same stand. You know,

1475
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to my stand, right, you know everybody knows

1476
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: about that. They go to my stand, and I think

1477
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: what happens is the pressure builds um there isn't the

1478
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:00,040
Speaker 1: quality of cover, so these deer see people entering and

1479
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: exiting wood lots more than they were seeing them. So

1480
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,600
Speaker 1: the deer that are aware of this property and the

1481
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 1: food sources just move in to get away from it.

1482
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: And so now they're coming in, there's and there's lots

1483
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: of room, and it's not uncommon by Thanksgiving for me,

1484
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: they have three times a deer here and Thanksgiving as

1485
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: there is right now, it's pretty typical by December when

1486
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: we get into muzzleloader season and later the large food

1487
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: platinum back that's all secluded. I've seen forty fifty deer

1488
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: in there in one night. So so are not that

1489
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: many deer here right now? They're just not hearing, but

1490
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 1: they're there. And then so, so how do you change

1491
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: your um maybe access or approach when you have that

1492
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: many more deer on your place, because you're gonna be

1493
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: more likely to bump him as you get into how

1494
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: do you change so once we get through that, say

1495
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 1: November eighteenth were the third day of gun season. I

1496
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: don't gun hunt that much. I do a little bit. Um.

1497
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,760
Speaker 1: I try to monitor, especially if I've got a mature deer,

1498
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: make sure he's around, see what he's up to. If

1499
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: he's still on my list and fits my criteria, I

1500
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: might think about taking him. But other than that, so

1501
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 1: as these deers start piling in, I have to be

1502
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: a lot more careful, really careful. So typically once we've

1503
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: gotten to November, I've just about quit. I mean, I

1504
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 1: will not hunt any mornings from that point on. I'm

1505
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: done hunting mornings because I've got a lot more deer,

1506
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: and they're distributed, and not only the betting areas, but

1507
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: they're hitting the food sources harder. We're starting to get

1508
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 1: colder weather, we're getting some snow on the ground by

1509
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: first week of December usually, So now I've got doze

1510
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: thirty forty yards from those food plots. So at that

1511
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 1: point it's strictly an afternoon hunt under ideal conditions, which

1512
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: is you again a northwest wind. And I pretty much

1513
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: focus all of my late season hunting on afternoons in

1514
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:01,640
Speaker 1: a northwest wind and on the food. And it's all

1515
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,799
Speaker 1: about food, and I had really good luck with mature

1516
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:09,160
Speaker 1: deer coming in on that food. We talked a good

1517
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: bit about your food plot strategy last time, but I

1518
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 1: think we shouldn't completely ignore it this time. Could you

1519
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 1: walk us through how your food plot set up looks

1520
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: right now, and it probably is a little different than

1521
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 1: it was back then too, So can you walk us

1522
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: through how much food you have, how it's placed, what

1523
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: you do. I put in a total of about seven

1524
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: and a half to eight acres of destination food, uh,

1525
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: warm season, round up ready soybeans. UM. I will rotate

1526
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: occasionally into chickeny and clover perenial, and then a lot

1527
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 1: of small, little, tiny, little no till or just micro

1528
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 1: food plots. And some of those were underwater. I did

1529
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: show you the one, the one small one. I really

1530
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: like round up ready soy It's just because it's a

1531
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 1: lot of food right out of the gate, and you know,

1532
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: two weeks old, they're four inches tall, and it's food

1533
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: for deer and and they can take a lot of

1534
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: browse pressure. And it allows me the opportunity to come

1535
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 1: back later in a season and overset it with a

1536
01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: variety of different cool season annuals. And you're doing that

1537
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: one m hmm mid August, depending on a season, you know. Really,

1538
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: I mean, look at last year, we had the worst

1539
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: drought we've seen in years in this part of Michigan.

1540
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: From August all the way through October. We just got

1541
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: hardly any rain. So I'm really watching the weather, whenever

1542
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: the weather is. I've also got a few food plots

1543
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: that I till and disc and really make nice that

1544
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: I specifically plant the groundhall gratish has purple top turnips.

1545
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 1: That's not an oversea and I'm really doing a super

1546
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 1: good job for that's that's for late winter feeding. And

1547
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, crimson clover is part of that mix. Crimson

1548
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: clover is very high in sugar during the seeking phase

1549
01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: of the rut. And also use a winter wheat and

1550
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: winter rye. So it's it's a I'm a big believer

1551
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: in diversity and food. So it's not all one. But

1552
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: probably because in around seven eight acres of round up

1553
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: ready soybeans that are overseated and then a lot of

1554
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: small micro plots in the cover. And you saw some

1555
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: of my small You saw the one I referred to

1556
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 1: as the buck plot, totally surrounded with connifer trees. A

1557
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: lot of action there. Uh doesn't grow a lot of food,

1558
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: but it keeps a lot of activity there. Those are

1559
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: in it, a lot of bucks in and out of there. Yeah,

1560
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: one thing I noticed with with any one of your

1561
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: food plots, all of your food, it feels safe for

1562
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 1: a deer it's it's all secluded. There's nothing like out

1563
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: in the wide open, where deer really feels exposed. I

1564
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: think almost any one of those areas you can almost

1565
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: shoot a bow across some of those spot almost all

1566
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: of them, um, so they're always relatively tight. I mean

1567
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,480
Speaker 1: your main destination food sources if we're imagining that rectangle

1568
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: of cover end and that's not exactly what it looks like.

1569
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: But then you've got that destination food on the west

1570
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: side of the rectangle and destination on the south side

1571
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: of the rectangle. I mean those are those are thin

1572
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:14,679
Speaker 1: long food sources um yep. And then you yards across

1573
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: most of them, and then you even broke it up

1574
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: with a piece of cover in the middle of them too.

1575
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 1: Can you talk about what you did there on those yep?

1576
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 1: I I utilize sorghum to do two things. Reduced the

1577
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: site distance of the deer, so deer on one side

1578
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: can't see to the other side of the field, and

1579
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: vice versa. Because if a buck walks out from a

1580
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: secure area and looks into a large food plot that

1581
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 1: he can see two hundred yards, don't see any doughs,

1582
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: don't need to go there. Well, if you can't see

1583
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,799
Speaker 1: any of use their eyes a lot. That's why dcoin

1584
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: works so well at that time. So I I run

1585
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 1: a finger of sorghum which will be about eight ten

1586
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 1: ft tall, probably ten yards wide, and that blocks their

1587
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 1: vision when I leave a small gap at the end

1588
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: of that sorgum, and that's where I have my ground blind.

1589
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: And so if those deer need to walk around and

1590
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: look to the other end, or deer from that opposite

1591
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 1: end decided to move up more closer to that hinge

1592
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: cutting and see what's going on, they've got to walk

1593
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 1: through that gap, and that gap really works good. So compartmentalization,

1594
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: if you can think, even though I have a four

1595
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: foot long food plot, there's a few places you can

1596
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: see more in about sixties seventy yards in it because

1597
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: of the either justpography or what I plan to break

1598
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: it up, and I use a lot of sorghum to

1599
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: break it up. Yeah, I've I've used some of that

1600
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: kind of idea on some of my food plots as

1601
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: well to it to a lesser degree. But even in that,

1602
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, in a smaller situation, you can see how

1603
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 1: you can get a lot more deer activity in a

1604
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: small area when you when you break it up like that,

1605
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 1: because I think it reduces the stress level two on

1606
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 1: deers when I don't feel like they're a strounomous either deer.

1607
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 1: And it's the safety thing too, Like you know a

1608
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: handful of clients that contact, you know, just new into

1609
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: food plotting. So the first thing they do is they've

1610
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 1: got a little corner of a large cornfield and the

1611
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 1: farmers not planting that anymore. So they've got this little

1612
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: half acre and regardless of what they're planning, and they

1613
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: find out right away that even though there's three sides

1614
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: of cover, it's wide open. Farmers came in there last

1615
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: week cut the corn. Now the deer that walk into

1616
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 1: that little tiny food plot can see for two hundred yards.

1617
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 1: Everything's changed. You are in there anymore. Where if you'd

1618
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: put a wall of sorghum in there and and that

1619
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 1: kind of gives a colosseum effect, deer walk out. They

1620
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: can't see out towards that corn. Now they're moving green daylight,

1621
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, like you say, they feel protected, secure, and

1622
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 1: it's it just makes so much sense. You've gotta think

1623
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 1: like a deer, you know, he wants to be he

1624
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 1: or she wants to be one jump from security no

1625
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: matter where they're at. Do you think, do you think

1626
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,760
Speaker 1: since the last time we chatted about this stuff that

1627
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 1: has your has your mind changed, has the way you

1628
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: view your habitat work changed? Have you made any significant

1629
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: changes actually on the ground in the last two years.

1630
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: Hasn't been any evolution in the way you think they

1631
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 1: were executing these things. I'm I'm constantly evolving in I

1632
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: think this network of trails and openings, and how I

1633
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: treat those networks of trails and openings is constantly moving.

1634
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 1: I'm I'm putting more food in those trails, overseated clover

1635
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: and chickery, and then I'm coming back and feeding that

1636
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: with the best fertilizer I can feed it, because I

1637
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 1: want those dear to be so programmed into going up

1638
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: and down this corridor system and utilizing this area of betting,

1639
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: which means it's going to be one of the first

1640
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: one or two places that mature bucks gonna look. So

1641
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get there, and I think the uh,

1642
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: the adequate number of scrapes and cover versus scrapes near

1643
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: stands where you're hunting. Okay, you'll see anywhere my stands

1644
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: are located. I got a lot of scrapes because and

1645
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm over the top of a scrape,

1646
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 1: but there's multiple scrapes, and you know, fifty yards away,

1647
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: they're always around that stand. But I do have a

1648
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 1: few scrapes and every one of the areas that the

1649
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: bucks are betting and searching, because it is a communication method,

1650
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 1: and you want him going in there and working on that,

1651
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 1: communicating with the doughs and the other bucks. It's a

1652
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 1: it's really interesting seeing that out there. That was something

1653
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 1: that I that stood up to me too. I was

1654
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: I was interested in how that kind of plays out

1655
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: during your hunts too. And it sounds like from some

1656
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: of the stories you're told that they're definitely utilizing those

1657
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,879
Speaker 1: and there's there's we talked about this when we're out there.

1658
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: The risk or one risk that people bring up when

1659
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 1: it comes to like making all these mocks scrapes, that

1660
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 1: there could be the concern of if you have so

1661
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: many mock scrapes and if your if your thought processes,

1662
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: that having all these mocks scrapes will cause these deer

1663
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: to slow down their movement because they're gonna hit more

1664
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: and more of these that it could keep deer from

1665
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 1: getting to wherever you might be during daylight. But it

1666
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: seems like you're making sure that most all of your

1667
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: hunting locations are within the cover. Again, it's I think

1668
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 1: that term preference. Okay, think about where you can get

1669
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 1: to hunt, and it should be it should be accessible

1670
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: to some of your better sweetened areas, and that's where

1671
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 1: you want to have the preference of scraping and rubbing

1672
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 1: going on. You know, And a number of years ago

1673
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: I kind of turned a socialization area because there is

1674
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. You know, some buck scrape,

1675
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: some rub some just walk through and sent check it. Okay,

1676
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: maybe you're more mature bucks especially they may not walk

1677
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: up to that scrape, but their ten yards down wind,

1678
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: twenty yards down wind, just keeping track of who was there.

1679
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 1: They're so in tune with things that we don't get, Okay,

1680
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 1: they just are. It's always it's always just you can

1681
01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 1: think you've got it all figured out, and then they

1682
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: there humble me beyond belief. They really do you know,

1683
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: the moment you think you got it and and why

1684
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: they disappear one year, two years. Some are homeboys, some rome. Uh,

1685
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: there's been some incredible articles written by Q D M

1686
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: A with the coloring and tracking when they called buck

1687
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: excursions and Doe excursions really interesting stuff. Some deer never

1688
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 1: leave a fairly small home range summer all over the place. Uh.

1689
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 1: Anybody who owns I don't care if you own twenty

1690
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 1: acres or two hundred. If you're into it and you're

1691
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: a camera guy, you're gonna identify that one that covers

1692
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 1: a lot of ground and that one that hardly leaves.

1693
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:41,759
Speaker 1: Unique personalities makes it fun. You're speaking of unique personalities. Further,

1694
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: do you have any do you have any other questions here?

1695
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 1: I don't know about questions that I just gotta be

1696
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 1: incredibly rewarding to go out there and do all that

1697
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: work and then see it come to fruition how you

1698
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 1: would would have hoped it to. You know, you're just

1699
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: thinking about the one uh hinge cut area in the

1700
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 1: back where like there's never this trailer here before, and

1701
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:08,960
Speaker 1: then you hinge cut all this area and right on

1702
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: that edge there's just a highway going through there. Now.

1703
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just gotta be so cool to see

1704
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: the plan come together. You know, it's it's an overused term. Uh.

1705
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 1: Started out in the food plot industry, it's used a

1706
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: lot by habitant guys. Now you know, build it and

1707
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: they will come. And there is nothing more fun than

1708
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,799
Speaker 1: killing a deer in a spot where you cut those trees,

1709
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: create a debt trail. Went in there duringree august weather

1710
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: with a walk behind brush ogg, sweated your tail off.

1711
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 1: Did all this work, you know, and then you go

1712
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: you know everything's right. You wait for the right condition,

1713
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: the deer shows up, you make the shot, you know,

1714
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: and between the three of us, we all know it's

1715
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,839
Speaker 1: not easy. That is, when those conditions meet, we're tested.

1716
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: And if something can go wrong, Man if I missed

1717
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: some deer very close range, and I bet you have

1718
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: to unfortunately. But when all those things do work, it's

1719
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: very rewarding. Mean, I just love doing it, and I

1720
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:05,639
Speaker 1: love helping clients. You know, I work with a lot

1721
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 1: of different clients and they see my passion when I

1722
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: walk a property that has so much potential and then

1723
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 1: they've just scraped the surface enough to know that it

1724
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: can work and to lay out a plan for him

1725
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: and say, you know, I know you probably won't do

1726
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: fifty of this, but if you can do fifty of

1727
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: this where you'll be five years from now. You have

1728
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,679
Speaker 1: no idea what you'll be hunting five years from now

1729
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 1: if you can just follow this plan. Yeah, you know

1730
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: what it was was really cool something I noticed when

1731
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: we were walking around. And I'm sure you've walked around

1732
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 1: this property weeks and weeks and weeks of your life.

1733
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 1: I mean, like so much time you've spent on this

1734
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,880
Speaker 1: property looking at these same things. But we're out there

1735
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 1: and you are just cheesing a huge smile on your face,

1736
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: so excited and looking at it us, Like how cool

1737
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: is this? Like your enthusiasm, your excitement, like your joy

1738
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: that you get out of this is so cool. I really,

1739
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 1: I really wish all of the everybody that's hearing this

1740
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: would understand what is in their control and how great

1741
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 1: hunting they could have if they just decided to get

1742
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:12,519
Speaker 1: out there and do it. So for those people who

1743
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 1: because because you just mentioned like you do a lot

1744
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 1: of consulting, you go you walk propers with people, there's

1745
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 1: so many people I think, who hear all this kind

1746
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: of stuff and they think it's it's above my pay grade,

1747
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: that sounds too complicated, or I can't afford to have

1748
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: someone come in or whatever, like, how do you how

1749
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: do you um begin this process? So, if I'm my name,

1750
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 1: I've got a new property, let's say, how do we

1751
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: begin that analysis of like where do we start? What

1752
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 1: are the things you think about? So I'll just tell

1753
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, I get an email or I get

1754
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 1: a phone call, and hey, I'm I'm I'm so and so,

1755
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 1: and I've got forty five acres and it's in Hillsdale County, Okay.

1756
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:55,759
Speaker 1: And it's so right away, how long have you owned it? Okay?

1757
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: Because I really like people that have got at least

1758
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,120
Speaker 1: one or two years of hunting experience, because they know

1759
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: a little bit about the deer movement, a little bit

1760
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 1: about what's going on with the neighbors. Not that there's

1761
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,400
Speaker 1: anything wrong with a brand new landowner calling and wanting

1762
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 1: to get right going, but it helps. So how long

1763
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: have you owned it? How much is tillable, how much

1764
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 1: is wetland, how much is woods? And start getting that

1765
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: dialogue and then well what's the address. While we're on

1766
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: the phone, I'm on my computer looking it up on

1767
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: Google Earth, and usually five minutes in the phone conversation,

1768
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 1: I'm looking at his property now. So now I'm saying, oh, yeah,

1769
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 1: I noticed that big ridge on the northwest corner right there.

1770
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 1: That's a pretty neat little pinch point. And sometimes they

1771
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: know about it and sometimes they don't. So we start

1772
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,760
Speaker 1: a good dialogue. I want to see the I want

1773
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 1: to look at the property, understand where it's at. Maybe

1774
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,440
Speaker 1: I know something about that area, maybe there's a neighborhood

1775
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: co op in the area. Maybe I've scored some really

1776
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 1: cool deer. I'm also a scorer for commemorative bucks in Michigan,

1777
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: so I get to see some pretty neat deer that

1778
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,640
Speaker 1: comes through the area. And ultimately, you know, he says, well,

1779
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 1: you know the reason I've contacted you. I want some help.

1780
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 1: So we go over the pricing structure. You know, so

1781
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 1: I have I've tried really hard to keep it affordable,

1782
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: so I have a minimum half day rate in a

1783
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 1: full day rate, because you know, business is business, and

1784
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: you're gonna it's gonna sink so much money into my time,

1785
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 1: whether I spent an hour or four hours. So we

1786
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: go over the numbers and how that's charged and what

1787
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna get. And the one thing I try to

1788
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: give all my clients is knowledge because I throw so much.

1789
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you saw what I did with you. Imagine

1790
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:27,600
Speaker 1: that was your property and I was walking and we

1791
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: were still out there, and I'm showing you where they're

1792
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:31,720
Speaker 1: bedding in, whether how they're feeding here, and they're not

1793
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: feeding here in the great stand location you could have

1794
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,600
Speaker 1: here if you did X, Y, and Z. So I

1795
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 1: leave a c D full of thirty years of little

1796
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: three and four and five page how two articles with

1797
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 1: all kinds of photographs, and here's what you do and

1798
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 1: here's how you do it. Some our hand sketches, some

1799
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: are screenshot videos, a variety of different types of information,

1800
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 1: plan identification, early successional growth, how you hinge cut? Video

1801
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:59,640
Speaker 1: links to how you do a barrier cut versus a

1802
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: bed in cut, lots of data and at the end

1803
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: of that day, I've seen the property. We usually flag

1804
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: stand locations, betting areas, potential food plot locations. I write

1805
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: him a list. Here's what you're gonna focus on for

1806
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: the next three years. I'm gonna take us satellite photo

1807
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 1: with me and I'm gonna draw on that. So here

1808
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, here's your rut stand, here's your food plot,

1809
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 1: Here's where your betting areas are. This is the dear

1810
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: corridor you're gonna work on and I give that person

1811
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: enough work, keep them just crazy busy for three or

1812
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: four years. That's how the process, right yea, yeah, be

1813
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 1: gone for some weekends, honey, and uh you know. And

1814
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: so there, I'm always accessible. People can email me, text me,

1815
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: call me, um, you know. If I'm busy with clients, yeah,

1816
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 1: I respect the client's time, but I will follow up, call,

1817
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 1: send an email. And so I I talked to a

1818
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: lot of people at this time of year. Yeah, it's

1819
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of fun. I get a kick

1820
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 1: out of just doing it on my own, my own

1821
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 1: chunk of dirt, but I can see how much fun

1822
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 1: it is to help other people too. It's just very fulfilling.

1823
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: And what's really cool is that, you know, you meet

1824
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:06,920
Speaker 1: the people that you can tell when you leave they

1825
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 1: get it, they're into it, they're committed, they understand, they

1826
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 1: know about scent control, they understand wind and conditions, they

1827
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 1: know they're in a tough hunting state, they know about

1828
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,520
Speaker 1: their neighbors. But they get it and they start implementing

1829
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 1: that and usually two to three years. In that two

1830
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: or three years, I'll get photographs and emails of the

1831
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:29,560
Speaker 1: best dear they ever saw the best dear maybe the

1832
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 1: daughter killed son, maybe he killed whoever it is. They

1833
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: finally got there, you know, And then the best part

1834
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: is what happens four and five years later, because they

1835
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 1: now become very consistent dear harvesters of whether it's the

1836
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: dose they want to kill to maintain their population, to

1837
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,360
Speaker 1: the mature buck that they had targeted, that one of

1838
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 1: them was lucky enough to get a crack at. And

1839
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:55,600
Speaker 1: then the pictures of their hinge cuts and the screening that,

1840
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so neat. So yeah, I really

1841
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:04,759
Speaker 1: do enjoy it, very fulfilling. Okay, for a new person

1842
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 1: to habit at work, what would be the two if

1843
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:09,599
Speaker 1: you had if you if we had like two people

1844
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: in front of us, one was brand new to this

1845
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,719
Speaker 1: kind of stuff and one had been doing habitat work

1846
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 1: for a long long time, and you wanted to leave

1847
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 1: each of them with two like final insights. I really

1848
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: want every new person to have it at work to

1849
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 1: make sure to understand these two things or not make

1850
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: these two mistakes however you want to do it. And

1851
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 1: then for the guy who's been doing it a long time,

1852
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 1: what would those two most impactful things you can leave

1853
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 1: them with be for the newby and the long time.

1854
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:41,600
Speaker 1: For the newbie, how important his soil quality is to

1855
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,960
Speaker 1: everything that grows in net property, early successional growth and

1856
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 1: food plot success. Newbies typically start out with food plots,

1857
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: and so it's really tough to grow something in sand.

1858
01:34:52,920 --> 01:34:55,479
Speaker 1: Pretty easy to grow things and loam and that type

1859
01:34:55,520 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: of stuff. Clay is the other side of saying, you know,

1860
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:02,560
Speaker 1: it's it's studdy and stays wet but dries out and

1861
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 1: you know it turns into rock and all that sort

1862
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 1: of stuff. So the more you know how important soil

1863
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 1: quality is, the more successful you'll be from from a

1864
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 1: newbie because he's it's going to take him a while

1865
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 1: to do a timber harvest or or whatever he's doing

1866
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 1: ultimately in and up hinge cutting, but his growth is

1867
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: dependent on that soil. For the experienced guy, he to

1868
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 1: any experienced person, sunlight is everything. Shaded woods is are

1869
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 1: great for squirrels and woodpeckers and raccoons, but don't do

1870
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 1: a lot for your dear habitat. It took me a

1871
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 1: long time to understand what cut was, and that's not

1872
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: every place, but in strategic locations it can mean everything.

1873
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: An edge one give me one more for each. Now

1874
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 1: I want to get my what I bared for you.

1875
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 1: So one more new be tip, one more expert tip.

1876
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: This is good stuff. One more newbie tip. Don't be

1877
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 1: afraid to make your entry and exit clean and quiet. Okay,

1878
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a few places to hunt, so get

1879
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: in and get out clean and quiet. For the experienced guy,

1880
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:27,040
Speaker 1: think cover, focus on cover before sometimes. Yeah, to your point,

1881
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 1: food plots often not the sexy thing that everyone wants

1882
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 1: to talk about everyone gets excited about, but cover can

1883
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,880
Speaker 1: really and again, food plots a vital part of my

1884
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 1: management strategy. But if I something happened and a similar

1885
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,559
Speaker 1: to last year terrible drought, no rain didn't grow near

1886
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:46,720
Speaker 1: the food. I really focused on what I could do

1887
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:52,640
Speaker 1: and cover and it made up for it. Still kill. Yeah, Well,

1888
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:55,560
Speaker 1: you just have such an incredible amount of food even

1889
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 1: in the cover, right, I mean, you would probably be

1890
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 1: okay without I have a picture that I show everybody.

1891
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 1: I put a really neat camouflage binder together with the

1892
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,639
Speaker 1: CD and I print about forty or fifty sheets off

1893
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 1: which are kind of focus. Okay, here's what So I

1894
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 1: show a picture of a property in Hillsdale County and

1895
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 1: it is a Park Effect Woods and you can see

1896
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: all the way through it. On the other side of it,

1897
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 1: you can see there's an open field. And then I've

1898
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 1: got a close up of his soybean field and his

1899
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 1: soybeans are about three inches tall and nipped right off

1900
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 1: like you went in there with a weed eater. Then

1901
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: I also then I show you a picture of my

1902
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 1: hinge cutting what it looks like when it's growing. And

1903
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:37,680
Speaker 1: so the thing is if you if the deer in

1904
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Speaker 1: the what they think are cover, which is at Park

1905
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Speaker 1: Effect Woods, and there's absolutely no food, then the food

1906
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,919
Speaker 1: you're growing, the deer are going to destroy. Now imagine

1907
01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 1: being able to grow the cover and the succession that

1908
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 1: I do. Now my food plots are gonna be twice

1909
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 1: as successful because there's less pressure on them. Great point,

1910
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Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people miss that. I mean,

1911
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 1: it's all can acted you know, it really is. It's

1912
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,799
Speaker 1: very connected. Yeah, you can't do great on one without

1913
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Speaker 1: the other. So it's uh, you know, it's all. It's all.

1914
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Speaker 1: It's a big circle. It's really where you're ending up.

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Speaker 1: You know, you start one place, you end up right

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Speaker 1: back again. Yeah, that makes it pretty fun. Any final thoughts, Josh,

1917
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Speaker 1: do you want to wrap up with I just want

1918
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Speaker 1: to say thank you for having us out. I enjoyed

1919
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Speaker 1: having it, really appreciate it. And you know we had

1920
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Speaker 1: a chance to meet at DAS dear Steward two last year,

1921
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Speaker 1: and so it's been just about a year that I've

1922
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Speaker 1: had to and again I want to say congratulation on

1923
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Speaker 1: being the Region three director. Thank you, thank you awesome.

1924
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate the help you've provided. You know,

1925
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Speaker 1: throughout that time you've been a really great So further,

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Speaker 1: do you want to take advantage of this opportunity to

1927
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,640
Speaker 1: plug anything for q d M A or I know

1928
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 1: you've been trying to get some branches up and running

1929
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 1: where people haven't been stepping up for leadership positions yet.

1930
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Speaker 1: Do you want to throw that out there to see

1931
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Speaker 1: if there's any one interest did? Yeah? Yeah, I mean

1932
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 1: there's definitely areas, um so so my region. I think

1933
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, but Michigan, Indiana and Western Ohio.

1934
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Speaker 1: Um So, if there's anybody in those areas that want

1935
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 1: to get involved, um in a branch that's already existing,

1936
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 1: or if maybe there's not a branch that is in

1937
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 1: that area. You know, please feel free to reach out. UM,

1938
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 1: we can get you some information. UM. We've got some

1939
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 1: some stuff in the works with with some of these

1940
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 1: branches that have been inactive UM in Michigan. I've got

1941
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 1: a meeting next week with some guys about maybe the

1942
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 1: Southeast Michigan branch and get that one UM back up

1943
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 1: and running. So stay tuned. Hopefully there's some more stuff

1944
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:42,200
Speaker 1: and UM coming up in the near future that you

1945
01:39:42,240 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 1: know will be UH in this area, and UM I'm

1946
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,280
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. I was at this UH this

1947
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 1: event last night, the storytelling event for b h A,

1948
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:53,679
Speaker 1: and there's a handful of people there who had been

1949
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 1: listeners who had said that they're relatively new deer hunters

1950
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 1: and they were interested in trying to get tapped in

1951
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Speaker 1: the community. Like so they went to that event and

1952
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: that was cool. UM, but I pointed them to us,

1953
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:05,719
Speaker 1: and you gotta talk to Firtz because he can really

1954
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:09,719
Speaker 1: get you involved with the UH. The QTI May branches,

1955
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:11,720
Speaker 1: which are such a great local way to connect with

1956
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 1: other deer hunters. Learned so much, I mean, the the

1957
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 1: network of hunters just here in southern Michigan that you know,

1958
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 1: Jake and many of your friends are involved down here.

1959
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean, and we're kind of starting to get into

1960
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:25,440
Speaker 1: that time of year where we're doing some more educational

1961
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 1: theme stuff, so keep an eye out for that. I

1962
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,759
Speaker 1: know you and I are doing. Yeah, we're doing event

1963
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 1: um in the Grand Rapids area with the West Central

1964
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 1: Branch June seven. You should. Yeah. So we're gonna do

1965
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:43,639
Speaker 1: like a kind of a meet and great social hour,

1966
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:46,680
Speaker 1: kind of white tail Q and A. And Mark is

1967
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 1: going to be the kind of featured guests there and

1968
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 1: if anybody underwhelming guest list, but we had to, we

1969
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: had to settle for somebody. But yeah, if anybody has

1970
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 1: any questions that they'd like to ask Mark, you know,

1971
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: send them to me and we'll get um, we'll get

1972
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 1: him in line for that night and come on out.

1973
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Speaker 1: It's at the Rockford Sportsman's Club. Um believe we're starting

1974
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 1: at six o'clock. That's uh, just in a couple of

1975
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:14,559
Speaker 1: weeks here in June seven, Rockford Sportsman's Club in Grand Rapids,

1976
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:18,240
Speaker 1: six o'clock, six to nine. Does it cost anything free

1977
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 1: or they'll be beer free beer and some snacks And

1978
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm sold, Yeah, it should be. It should be a

1979
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 1: good time. And you know, there's some some other educational

1980
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 1: events going on habitat days coming up with with different branches. UM.

1981
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: You can find all that information on dams website on

1982
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 1: the calendar. UM go go through there and check out

1983
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 1: the different events that the branches are hosting and UM,

1984
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:42,519
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff coming up this summer. Awesome,

1985
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: sounds good, Great, Jake, is there anything that we haven't

1986
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: touched on yet that is like glaringly, like screaming in

1987
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 1: the back of your mind, like we can't end this

1988
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 1: podcast without talking about X. Where do you feel like

1989
01:41:54,920 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 1: we We've we covered some really good territory, all the

1990
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: listeners gaining a little more if there's listeners that listen

1991
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:06,680
Speaker 1: two years ago and for the new ones might seem overwhelming,

1992
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 1: but it's just like everything, it's a step at a time. Yeah. Yeah, So,

1993
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 1: is there anything that you want to talk about or

1994
01:42:12,080 --> 01:42:13,639
Speaker 1: if people want to learn more from you or get

1995
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:16,800
Speaker 1: ahold of you have a website, UH have a tet

1996
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 1: solutions three six dot com, great place to there's some videos,

1997
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: free videos you can sign up for. UH. There's a

1998
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 1: lot of different pieces of information on different pages. UM.

1999
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:28,760
Speaker 1: There's a contact page, if you want to send me

2000
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:31,560
Speaker 1: an email and reach out to me. Great place to

2001
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:34,479
Speaker 1: learn and and get more information about what I do

2002
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:37,760
Speaker 1: in the services I provide. Awesome. Well, like Josh said,

2003
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:39,920
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Jake. We appreciate you taking so

2004
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: much time to walk us around and show us your place.

2005
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 1: Really interesting, very impressive, and then uh, chatting with us

2006
01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 1: here today really good times. I'm very happy to have

2007
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:51,880
Speaker 1: you guys part of it today as well well. And

2008
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to go home now and just look at

2009
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:57,519
Speaker 1: properties and how can I figure this out to buy

2010
01:42:57,560 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 1: one of these places. Josh is gonna putting it on

2011
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 1: down payments soon now after this. This is uh, it

2012
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 1: always has definitely got me excited to this. Always seems

2013
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 1: that I've been lucky enough to get to go on

2014
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 1: some cool property tours, and whenever I get done with them,

2015
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 1: right home to the computer and I'm just looking looking,

2016
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:15,960
Speaker 1: looking so and you know what you're saying, they're not

2017
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:20,840
Speaker 1: making anymore. It's hard to It doesn't seem like a

2018
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 1: bad investment. It seems like lands always going to be

2019
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:25,800
Speaker 1: a good thing to get into. You know, we did

2020
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 1: it thirty eight years ago and at the time, you know,

2021
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: older people that we knew in the family thought we

2022
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:35,800
Speaker 1: were crazy, but my gosh, it was the best best

2023
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 1: decision I ever made. Yeah, I can see I can

2024
01:43:38,240 --> 01:43:43,240
Speaker 1: see why. Pretty awesome place, all right, Thanks guys, And

2025
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 1: that is a rap Just a couple of quick things

2026
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 1: before we go. Like me and Josh talked about, got

2027
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:51,600
Speaker 1: that June seventh event in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Would love

2028
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 1: to see you. There's more details about that over on Facebook.

2029
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 1: Just shared a post for it. Speaking of Facebook, I

2030
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 1: want to give a quick plug for the Wired Hunt

2031
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 1: social media channels too. I post a whole lot of

2032
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:05,640
Speaker 1: stuff on there, So if you want to keep up

2033
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:07,720
Speaker 1: to date on the latest news with what I've got

2034
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 1: going on, different hunts, different trips, make sure you're following

2035
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: the wire Hunt on Facebook page, the wired Hunt Instagram account,

2036
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: and the YouTube channel. I've been mentioned this for a while,

2037
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 1: but you gotta get over and subscribe to the YouTube

2038
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 1: channel because more and more of my time is going

2039
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:24,640
Speaker 1: to be spent on that really gonna be prioritizing at

2040
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Speaker 1: this fall, so make sure you're checking out those videos.

2041
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:31,439
Speaker 1: Some exciting stuff coming up soon on that front. And uh, finally,

2042
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 1: big thanks to our partners who helped make this all

2043
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,759
Speaker 1: happen so big. Thank you to Yetie Cooler's, Matthew's Archery,

2044
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Speaker 1: Maven Optics, the white Tail Properties and hunter ra maps,

2045
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 1: and of course thank you to everyone for listening. Thanks

2046
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Speaker 1: for your attention and your time. I appreciate it, and

2047
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Speaker 1: until next time, stay wired to hunt