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Speaker 3: Now your hosts Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon.

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 1: Late So Kurt, you have a chance, you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: you do?

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Speaker 5: You think so?

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Speaker 4: Late late Saturday night got to Jesse's taking him three

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Speaker 4: days to the cover, staying out past midnight, anything you

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Speaker 4: want to talk about, Kurt, you never get.

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Speaker 5: To stop doing.

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Speaker 6: We're great doing good. You got your hair cut. It

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Speaker 6: looks good.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. I appreciate you like it.

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Speaker 6: Nice pull over?

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Speaker 5: Is that new? That's sort of yeah? Okay, you know,

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Speaker 5: trying to be like you guys, just looking good.

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Speaker 1: You look nice job, good job, yes, man, I mean

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Speaker 1: you you you sent out ideas. It's a chance, possible,

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Speaker 1: ideas welcome. Any idea is yours? Your deal? Phone calls.

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Speaker 1: So what does Clowney gonna tell us? What does kind

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Speaker 5: I'm asking you guys. You guys are the players. What

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Speaker 5: do you think he brings to his defense? What kind

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Speaker 5: of player is he? Is he just going to be

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Speaker 5: a straight pass rusher? Is he gonna help us out

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Speaker 5: on the run defense?

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Speaker 7: And he is?

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Speaker 4: He?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 5: What's what's this guy good?

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Speaker 6: My question is is he better than what you have?

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Speaker 1: Right? And he is? Good?

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Speaker 1: He is? He is better, a better run stopper and

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Speaker 1: a better uh pass rush both. Yeah. His knowledge he

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Speaker 1: came out, he was he was a beast. I think

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Speaker 1: one player. Yeah. Uh, never really lived up while he

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Speaker 1: had ten eleven sacks. I mean, go back and look, Kurt.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's whether he's gonna Yeah, and he's had some

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Speaker 1: ultimately comes down because he's a mercenary, you know, mercenary

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Speaker 1: going to training camp. I ain't beating myself up. I'm,

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Speaker 1: you know, the highest bidder. Sometime he wins, like he

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Speaker 5: With Baltimore Carolina, they're asking him to drop and coverage

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Speaker 5: more and do this again, he had five and a half.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but see The thing about it was he gets

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Speaker 1: So he plays a little bit tough. The mercenary go

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Speaker 5: What do other players think of these mercenaries where you

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Speaker 1: It is what it is. My boy was a mercenary,

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Speaker 1: everybody say if he wants to, he can be a good,

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Speaker 1: date and age of freak of freaking nature. He can move,

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Speaker 1: he can bend, he can make some things happen. Will

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Speaker 1: he come in and fit here? In the locker room

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Speaker 1: and buy into your program wholeheartedly? What is he looking for?

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Speaker 5: We've heard in the you know.

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Speaker 6: Real quick, where all has he been?

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Speaker 5: Oh? He has started with the Texans, spent five years.

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Speaker 5: There was one year in Seattle, one year in Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: I don't knowize he was that many places. Telling between

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Speaker 1: all of the war movies, I can't think of today. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: So we heard, you know, when Parsons was was traded.

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Speaker 5: There's defensive ends and there is easy Sam Williams and kneeling.

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Speaker 5: Now are you saying, Okay, these guys aren't what they

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Speaker 1: The thing is kneelan is still coming off of their

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Speaker 1: the This is my biggest issue. And uh, Jess, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about what clowney Clowney brings. This is my biggest issue.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think what do I think what he brings.

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Speaker 7: He brings a level of experience, and I heard Kurt

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Speaker 7: I think this is a guy who you bring in

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Speaker 7: I'm coming to get mine. I'll help about where I

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Speaker 7: the next spot. They'll get some guaranteed money, right. So

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Speaker 7: if he's a guy that wraps his arm around younger players,

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Speaker 7: And guys are just too talented, even the backups, it

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Speaker 7: Even watching Donovan as Iaku him setting up his moves,

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Speaker 7: if you don't bring something greater than what they do,

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Speaker 7: guys like the Marcus where is their moves are when

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Speaker 7: thank you. As soon as you come out that spin,

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Speaker 7: I'll be ready right here with they get right up

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Speaker 7: And I think that's what you bring in when you're

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Speaker 5: So is this maybe not so much they're not getting

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Speaker 7: They ain't getting enough out of no nobody right like

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Speaker 7: right now, Kenny Clark is your best run stopper. And

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Speaker 7: he's your best pressure quarterback guy, like your past rusher.

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Speaker 7: So that's coming from your guy's playing in the middle.

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Speaker 7: They're not getting anything from those guys on the outside.

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Speaker 1: You remember when we was talking about lip Key and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to act last year, we was talking about

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Speaker 1: a number nine Kavon.

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Speaker 7: Cavante.

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Speaker 1: Cavante. These guys are great if you have it going on.

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Speaker 1: They told Missus Jones that they can manufacture sacks. You

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Speaker 1: you ain't managed manufacturing nothing because you everywhere you go,

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Speaker 1: you have to have one guy that demands the double team.

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Speaker 7: When Russell Wilson is throwing for four hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: Question for y'a before we get back into the show,

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Speaker 4: you've been you talk two shows in a row now

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Speaker 4: about the get off right, about the defensive guys seeing

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Speaker 4: Understand you you can pick your spots and there's tails

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Speaker 6: And to me, that's not just reaction time.

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Speaker 1: That's film like how.

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Speaker 6: So it's like playing tell, and then you don't tell

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Speaker 7: we're taking on said team for the Cowboys. It's all right,

440
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Speaker 7: offensively three eighty eight four. Here's what we got to

441
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Speaker 7: make sure that we're doing. And when you think about

442
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Speaker 7: George Pickens, you know you're looking at and coach is

443
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Speaker 7: probably you know, preaching it all week long. Hey, he's

444
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Speaker 7: gonna run the go route. He's gonna run the go route.

445
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Speaker 7: When he runs the go route, Hey, slants, these are

446
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 7: so he's gonna run slants, man and go routes. And

447
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,199
Speaker 7: he's preaching it until you and over time, you just

448
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Speaker 7: you you're logging that into your brain. Throughout practicing, you're

449
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Speaker 7: trying to work on that, and then you get into

450
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Speaker 7: the game. And if you watch the game, George Pickens

451
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Speaker 7: is not running many routes. He's running goals. He's running

452
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Speaker 7: slants here, running occasional over here, may run a dig

453
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Speaker 7: behind it, but he's running to some of the very

454
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Speaker 7: simple routes that he's running. Well, what do they do.

455
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Speaker 7: They set them up on the left side and he

456
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Speaker 7: runs a slant and then he runs a go and

457
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Speaker 7: there's a slant and there's a go. Then they get

458
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Speaker 7: to the red zone and on his touchdown, when you

459
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 7: watch it, he come off the ball, he jabs inside

460
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Speaker 7: what looks like a slant and then he releases like

461
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Speaker 7: he's running the go running out route and the dB

462
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 7: opens up this way and now he's like, oh, hi,

463
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 7: comes the go route. He opened up to go play

464
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Speaker 7: the go route out route front pylon touchdown, And so

465
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 7: those type of things are always being put into into motion,

466
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Speaker 7: right because you already you know when to Cavante Turpet

467
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Speaker 7: comes into the field. First thing, you think about speed, right,

468
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Speaker 7: So I'm always thinking he's fast, and then you have

469
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Speaker 7: you have to be able to game plan off that.

470
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Speaker 7: So you're always playing this chess match of I know

471
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Speaker 7: what you know, I know what you are, you know

472
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Speaker 7: what I am, and how can I use that to

473
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Speaker 7: my advantage? And sometimes you'll do things in the first quarter,

474
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Speaker 7: in the second quarter, and you're like, all right, I

475
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Speaker 7: set them up. So now when there's money time, third quarter,

476
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Speaker 7: fourth quarter, I'm like, coach, man, if we do this,

477
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Speaker 7: I've been setting them up all day. And the greats

478
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Speaker 7: do that. The greats understand that, and I know they

479
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Speaker 7: talked about it. He talked about it against for Jared

480
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Speaker 7: Verse when they had the Inscrimmage practice, and he was like,

481
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Speaker 7: He's like, listen, man, what Jared Versus doing to isl

482
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Speaker 7: in practice ain't what he gonna do to y'all in

483
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 7: the game. He's like, y'all think of y'all blocking him

484
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 7: the whole time. He's setting y'all up. Sure enough, game

485
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 7: time it looked different and he's like, man, he might

486
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Speaker 7: do something over here. You're like, oh, yeah, I got him,

487
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 7: you know, you feeling confident about him in the game

488
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Speaker 7: time he two times faster, three times stronger, and you

489
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Speaker 7: like that ain't what I saw. That ain't what I

490
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Speaker 7: saw in practice. And so that's how the greats work

491
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Speaker 7: through it, you know, all game long, and to get

492
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Speaker 7: that slight advantage when they need it the most.

493
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. Their kid in Green Bay.

494
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: I mean, when the Commanders was playing Green Bay. And

495
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Speaker 1: this is where Richard Dent was good. This is where

496
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Speaker 1: all the greats have been good. This is where Michael

497
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Speaker 1: is exceptional. It's the fact that at the beginning of

498
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Speaker 1: the game, the Marcus Sware used to do the same thing.

499
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Speaker 1: It's the beginning of the game. Their first two rushers,

500
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Speaker 1: they're gonna give your medium speed, they're gonna give you

501
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Speaker 1: seventy five, and you're gonna ease yourself out there. You know,

502
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Speaker 1: you're gonna ease yourself out there. And they waiting for

503
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Speaker 1: that one time for you to drop that foot a

504
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: little bit too much and turn and turn your butt

505
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Speaker 1: to the sideline. They either gonna dip dip or they

506
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Speaker 1: gonna hit right back inside. And Dent was good at that.

507
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Speaker 1: It's just setting you up, setting you up. When I

508
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Speaker 1: saw what Verse was doing in training camp, I wanted

509
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: to go up to Nate Thomas and say that was

510
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Speaker 1: not real. I'm telling you that it was not real

511
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: because he was just setting him up. And you, when

512
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Speaker 1: you are great, you can do that when you're the

513
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Speaker 1: average guy. Come on off the rock man, dude. Yeah,

514
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: just that is so good man. How you you know

515
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Speaker 1: telling us about it?

516
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Speaker 7: And even even like guys like you know used to

517
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Speaker 7: watch Aaron Donald right from the from the from the

518
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Speaker 7: middle of the defense. Right one play he'll come off

519
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 7: and it's get you right. Then the next play he

520
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 7: power you and now you're sitting there, you're like, all right,

521
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Speaker 7: what are you gonna do?

522
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Speaker 1: Now?

523
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Speaker 7: Now he come off and he jack you up and

524
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 7: pull you away, and now you're going and now he's

525
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Speaker 7: unabated to the quarterback because.

526
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Speaker 4: Then there's three different things that he just did to you,

527
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Speaker 4: and you're like, what's next?

528
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Speaker 7: So now, so now what is up happening? Is you? You?

529
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 7: You sitting there waiting to go do something and he

530
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 7: boomed he's so so those are the it's and now

531
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Speaker 7: once I get you like that, Like you know, Nate

532
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 7: even said that by himself. He was just like, man,

533
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 7: when I go up against Jerome Brown, I got I'm

534
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 7: in a dog fight. So it ain't gonna be no technique, y'all.

535
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Speaker 1: Listen.

536
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 7: I might get beat a couple of times. I got

537
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 7: to find a way the mall is, dude, because if

538
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 7: he gets going early and again, you're cooked. If a

539
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 7: guy gets going on you, he didn't beat you with speed,

540
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 7: he didn't beat you with power, he didn't beat you

541
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 7: with a rip. Now you're like, I don't, I ain't

542
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 7: stop nothing. Now he's just like, oh, I'm open to

543
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 7: do anything.

544
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 5: I remember, sorry to drop names again. We were talking

545
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 5: to Bob Lilly and he I remember him telling us

546
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 5: and he was playing I can't remember who he's playing,

547
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 5: but he's like, I knew I had him on one

548
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 5: p I had one move. I knew I would get him,

549
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 5: and he was saving he'd say it, say it, and

550
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 5: it got to the game and he used that move

551
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 5: and works. So yeah, I guess it's just a chest mess.

552
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 7: Now Here's now here's the the other part to that, right,

553
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 7: there's another part to this. When you ain't Bob Liddy,

554
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 7: when you aren't Aaron do when you aren't when you

555
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 7: ain't like, you know, I see what I'm saying, Like, like,

556
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 7: we can sit here and talk about all that want,

557
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 7: but there's a certain cachet that those dudes brought that

558
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 7: the respect level to do that and that. And but

559
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 7: again that's what makes the greats great is when you

560
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 7: have a level of we call the toolbox. When you

561
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 7: gonna go in your toolbox and you can pull out

562
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 7: anything at any point in time of the game. I'm limited.

563
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 7: I ain't my toolbox. Ain't that. I ain't the fastest, uh,

564
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 7: you know, so I gotta be technically sound. I gotta

565
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 7: be technically sound. I gotta do what I gotta do

566
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 7: because I don't have the gifts that Dez Bryant has

567
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 7: or Ceedee Lamb has where they they're just gifted differently,

568
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 7: so they can they set things up a certain way.

569
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 7: I gotta be technically sound.

570
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 6: You remember fighting for your life fighting.

571
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: When the Rams won that Super Bowl, And I remember

572
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: the announcers talking at the beginning of the game where

573
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: they was running overs and unders. You know, the guard covered,

574
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 1: the center covered and the tackle covered over tight end

575
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: on that side, and they were just turning the protection

576
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: because they had an extra guy, and they were just

577
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: turning the protection all game. They are handling number ninety nine,

578
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald. And then when they got into that fourth quarter,

579
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: they put a guy over the guard, put a guy

580
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: over the center, and he was on one of the guards.

581
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: You can't turn the protection because they got the two

582
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: outside liney sitting out there almost a barrel, and boy,

583
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: he came unglued on that guard and on that center

584
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: he came unglued because there was one on one and

585
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: not to me. The coach did a master of a

586
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: job and just playing the game. He called him and

587
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: that's when everybody said Aaron Donald should have won the No, no,

588
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: they gave me to the right guy. The coach just

589
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: waited too long to unleash this guy, and it happens. Man,

590
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: when you North Turner was the same way. I mean.

591
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: We used to play the Giants and they had a

592
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Speaker 1: guy named Jason Seahorn, and he came in there one

593
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: that says, hey, man, they got this Jason sea Horn.

594
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: He's a good he's a good player. But Michael I

595
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: got two or three plays. We're gonna set them up

596
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: and in the fourth quarter we're gonna eat him alive.

597
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 5: Could you, as an offensive lineman, could you set guys up?

598
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 8: No?

599
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: No, I was fighting all the time. I was fighting.

600
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: Unless you if you were average, if you were just

601
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: good B minus, was not gonna stand a chance against me.

602
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: B minus. I was gonna destroy you, and North was

603
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: gonna help me destroy you. That's why you always hear

604
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: me say, give me four or five B plus players

605
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: that are do their job. Now, you're gonna catch hell

606
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: all day. But a B man, he almost I'm the

607
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm in the dragon.

608
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Speaker 6: Bro Come on, man, Jason sea Horn, he a good player.

609
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 6: Was he the last white dB before Cooper de Gen?

610
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: The last good one probably?

611
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Speaker 6: And that was what twenty five years ago.

612
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Speaker 7: R three, Yeah, twenty two years ago.

613
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Speaker 6: Wow, wow, Kirk, can we just stay off script?

614
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Speaker 4: I know we always go off script, but I have

615
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Speaker 1: I hate to pat you on the back, brou I

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Speaker 1: hate too, but I love to once again hanging with

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Speaker 1: the boys.

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Speaker 7: Bringing that truth.

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Speaker 1: Brother. What is the wide receiver? That place for the

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Speaker 1: bucks that come from Ohio State?

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Speaker 7: Now a mecca?

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Speaker 1: A booker? What I tell you? I told you this

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Speaker 1: dude is something else.

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Speaker 7: I'm not saying that Tyler Booker.

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Speaker 1: B he is something else. I said, we ever heard

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Speaker 1: his name before?

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Speaker 7: Wherever?

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Speaker 1: Then they said, oh hi, I said, no, this ain't.

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Speaker 1: Jesse raised my head over here.

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Speaker 7: Oh my god, that was oh I liked him when

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Speaker 7: he was at Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: But the Lord and your guy ain't doing too bad either,

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Speaker 4: Bucky Irving, don't do that.

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Speaker 6: That was your pet cat.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't bring that up, man.

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Speaker 7: Not if we had Bucky in you could because just.

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Speaker 1: Either one, just eat. We ain't got to have both

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Speaker 1: of them, just one.

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Speaker 4: All right, Back to the good conversation we were having about

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Speaker 4: the game flow setting people up basketball. When you watch basketball,

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Speaker 4: especially playoff basketball championship.

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Speaker 6: Basketball, you pace yourself, right.

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Speaker 4: You can't go one hundred percent from the from the

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Speaker 4: jump the whole game, or you got nothing left at

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Speaker 4: these football do you do? You pace yourself in football,

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Speaker 4: especially at a high impact position like defensive line, offensive line.

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Speaker 6: I imagine you can't pay yourself because you just.

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Speaker 1: You to depend on who you are playing. Coach has

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Speaker 1: always got to have something back to give a different

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Speaker 1: look or a different move. Coach has always got to

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Speaker 1: be holding something back players, the great players, and even

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Speaker 1: the players that are not so great, just great film study.

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Speaker 1: As I should say, they are always gonna try to

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Speaker 1: have a little something different, are something that looks like this,

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Speaker 1: so they can make a move off of that. So uh,

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Speaker 1: But when you when you're just the guy, you got

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Speaker 1: to kind of put it out there. You got to

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Speaker 1: kind of put it out there. You know. If you're

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Speaker 1: a C player, you got to kind of put it out.

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Speaker 4: But if you're an A player, and first off, let

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Speaker 4: me just ask you, because you actually are the one

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Speaker 4: in the room that played basketball, do you at a

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Speaker 4: championship level pace yourself and kind of hold a little

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Speaker 4: bit back in basketball?

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Speaker 7: Basketball is so different because you play so many games. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: you got a seven games, then you got a seven

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Speaker 7: game series, you know, And honestly, even with basketball, there's

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Speaker 7: only certain so many sets in the team, especially now

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Speaker 7: in today's basketball, everything is high screen and roll right,

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Speaker 7: you dribble the ball out and eventually to get down

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Speaker 7: to picking pops, a guy got to make shots and

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Speaker 7: all that kind of stuff. But you do keep a wrinkle,

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Speaker 7: You keep a wrinkling that that you might look at

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Speaker 7: and go listen, if we need one, we're gonna go

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Speaker 7: to this spot right here. But basketball so much so

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Speaker 7: of a skill, right, It's it's like when it all

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Speaker 7: breaks down, can I give it to Kobe? And can

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Speaker 7: Kobe just be the best player out there? Ron Jordan,

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Speaker 7: you name the guy, Luca, you name the person. It

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Speaker 7: gets down to that point of and then it comes

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Speaker 7: down to can you make a shot right? Because you

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Speaker 7: can have the greatest look you want and god be

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Speaker 7: wide open, does he knock it down?

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Speaker 4: I guess my question is like the physic like the

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Speaker 4: cardiophysical part.

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Speaker 1: No, you cannot go wide or see.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you a funny, a quick funny story where

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Speaker 7: this is when you get a chance to sit around legends.

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Speaker 7: So we're sitting at University of North Carolina in the summertime.

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Speaker 7: Basketball is big, right, like of course, but like a

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Speaker 7: lot of guys come back and so we have these

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Speaker 7: epic night runs at you and CE basketball in this

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Speaker 7: particular year or there, the great Phil phil Ford is

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Speaker 7: in the building. Rashee Wallace is in the building, like

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Speaker 7: you know, Jerry Stackhouse is there. There's a bunch of

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Speaker 7: you know guys that are there. And this was at

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Speaker 7: one point in time. Phil Ford was the assistant coach

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Speaker 7: or one of the assistant coaches for the Detroit Pistons,

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Speaker 7: and he said, and Rashid's telling this story, and if

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Speaker 7: you know anything about Rashid Wallace, let's just say he's

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Speaker 7: very colorful when he says things right, and hy Charles

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Speaker 7: Haley s very Charles haleyis very Charles haleyis. And so

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Speaker 7: he's telling this story and he's talking about making a

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Speaker 7: joke about Phil, and he goes, this was kind of

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Speaker 7: first Phil, first time in the league. And so he's like,

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Speaker 7: they're like in game two of this regular season, and

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Speaker 7: Detroit's not getting back on defense, kind of lacks dais

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Speaker 7: coat and stuff. And he's like, Phil Ford is like

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Speaker 7: getting up and he's like screaming at guys and and

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Speaker 7: he goes, because Phild is a Carolina guy, all the

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Speaker 7: guys are looking at me, and he's like Phil screaming, screaming,

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Speaker 7: scream He goes, eventually, I had to just tell Phil

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Speaker 7: man shit them down. He got eighty two of these

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Speaker 7: things screaming for game two. And it was like in

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Speaker 7: Phil Ford's right there and everyone's dying laugh. But he

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Speaker 7: had to realize, like, we got eighty two of these

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Speaker 7: things you screaming about getting back on defense. In week two, man,

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Speaker 7: shit them down. If it was like he was absolutely right,

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Speaker 7: because we do got eighty so and that's a difference

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Speaker 7: between basketball. You got eighty two of those things, you

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Speaker 7: know what I mean. So you kind of have to

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Speaker 7: pace yourself a little bit because you got room for

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Speaker 7: era and improvement. Football is a little bit different because

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Speaker 7: it's a it's a new play every play, and you know,

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Speaker 7: especially the guys going over top of you, like like

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Speaker 7: Nate talked about when when Jerome Brown lines up over

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Speaker 7: top of him, you think he got a playoff because

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Speaker 7: even at Jerome's bout Jerome because he's such an eight

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Speaker 7: plus player even as be could wear you out.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, you know what i mean.

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Speaker 4: On the offensive line, I feel like you're just you're

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Speaker 4: you're defending your fighting right. But on like the defensive line,

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Speaker 4: do you when you if you like, I'm gonna hold

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Speaker 4: just a little bit back because in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 4: it's the tight game.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna have a little bit extra when you act.

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Speaker 1: When we had a couple of prayers have had in

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Speaker 1: the recents, you say, man, you ain't gonna run wide

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Speaker 1: open every play. Them guys are telling the truth because if.

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Speaker 6: They get killed in the media. But that's the truth, right.

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Speaker 1: If a guy if you on the back side of

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Speaker 1: a play and they you on the left side, and

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Speaker 1: they sweep that thing all the way to the right,

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Speaker 1: and you are in the boundary, and they coming out

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Speaker 1: of the boundary coming into the open side of the field,

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Speaker 1: this running back way down there, and you just jogging

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Speaker 1: and he here hopping out to cut back across the

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Speaker 1: field to where you at. You thirty yards behind. Bruh,

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Speaker 1: you ain't gonna just get it on your givea up.

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Speaker 1: It's trying to get this dude, and the next pray

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Speaker 1: mayby a bomb. Come on, No, bru it's physically impossible

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Speaker 1: to go one hundred percent. But seventy plays you just

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Speaker 1: have to pick and choose and hope one of them

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Speaker 1: big plays don't fall back on you when you jogging. Ye,

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Speaker 1: I'm being honest, Jesse.

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Speaker 7: You're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: And so when a guy says that, don't say that.

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Speaker 1: When you've been beat on a bomb and you get

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Speaker 1: caught jogging, don't say that.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I was supposed to be wide though, And that's the

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Speaker 1: best thing to say. Leave it alone, because I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: kill you, Jessic Gokey. But deep down the side we know.

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Speaker 1: Come on, man, I was beat off the line. I

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Speaker 1: didn't grab him. I should have had a holding, Kurt.

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Speaker 6: Three minutes? What do you want to talk about?

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Speaker 5: What do I want to talk about? There was something

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Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you. Oh real quick, Jesse. You

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Speaker 5: had I don't know since a three minute conversation, but

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Speaker 5: you had a tweet yesterday guy asked you which defense

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Speaker 5: was the easiest dan Quinn Zimmers Now?

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yes, we should have talked about that more said.

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Speaker 5: Plus, the current defense is the easiest to play one.

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Speaker 5: How is that easier in what way?

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Speaker 7: Well? Schematically, they're only rushing for front up front, right,

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Speaker 7: and they dropping everybody else back in coverage. So there

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Speaker 7: is no When you looked at dan Quinn and you

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Speaker 7: looked at Zim's, there was a lot of guys interchanging, right,

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Speaker 7: guys are playing in different positions. And now when I

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Speaker 7: start adding pressure, because now when I insert more guys

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Speaker 7: to the rush, that means the guys in the back

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Speaker 7: end have to play more areas. What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 7: All right, if it's three wide receivers, okay, who's one,

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Speaker 7: who's two? Who's three and these guys starts changing and

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Speaker 7: switching all that kind of stuff. Who got who? So

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Speaker 7: the more guys you add to the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 7: the more the more stretch the guys are in the

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Speaker 7: back end, your linebackers, ther dbs, your safeties. So that

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Speaker 7: that's the difference. And that was a lot of what

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Speaker 7: Quinn did. A lot of what Zim did is that

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Speaker 7: they wanted to give these different exotic looks. You hear

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Speaker 7: that term exotic, that thing that looks it looks crazy,

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Speaker 7: it doesn't look like it's normal. That's not what even

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Speaker 7: Flush does. There's nothing exotic about what he does. His

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Speaker 7: is very formula, very based, very you know, and I

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Speaker 7: say elementary in the sense of, you know, there's not

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Speaker 7: a guy who is all of the sudden, now mugged

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Speaker 7: up in a line of scrimmage. But he has deep third, right,

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Speaker 7: And I mean when I say mugged up in the

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Speaker 7: line scrimmage, I mean literally standing at the line of scrimmage,

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Speaker 7: in the in the in the muck of defensive lineman.

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Speaker 7: But he got deep third. So at the snap of

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Speaker 7: the ball, he's sprinting back to a third or quarters.

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Speaker 7: It's basically line up that ain't no disguising, there's no disguising,

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Speaker 7: there's no exotic, there's no confusion in it.

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Speaker 5: So does that then make it it's easier to play?

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Speaker 5: But is it now easier for an offense to attack?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 7: And this is what we're and this is what the

872
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Speaker 7: thing that I've been I've been screaming about, and I

873
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Speaker 7: know that we're talking about. And this is why the

874
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Speaker 7: name that we don't no longer mention on this show

875
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Speaker 7: having a guy like him, because Matt Eberflus's defense up

876
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Speaker 7: front is predicated on talk about you hear him saying,

877
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Speaker 7: rush forward, rush forward, rush forward. Is I need four

878
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Speaker 7: guys up front to be able to rush forward, to

879
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Speaker 7: create and create pressure with my funt four so that

880
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Speaker 7: you don't have time to sift through the zone if

881
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Speaker 7: you don't, because every zone has open pockets. Like think

882
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 7: about a fence, a white picket fence in the front yard. Right, Yes,

883
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Speaker 7: it can stop certain things from getting through, but if

884
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Speaker 7: you got time, you can you can direct things through

885
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 7: that fence. That's what a zone is. If you got time,

886
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Speaker 7: he can get if you got a sharp shooter, I

887
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 7: can sit there waiting now because if the corner's playing

888
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Speaker 7: out here and his responsibility is here and the linebacker

889
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 7: responsibility is here. Well, we have what we now call

890
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Speaker 7: a window. And if I got time, that receiver is

891
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 7: gonna run through that window and I'm gonna throw it right.

892
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 7: But if I don't have time, now they have time

893
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 7: to adjust and that window becomes smaller. And if I

894
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 7: miss the window, I gotta wait until they get to

895
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Speaker 7: the next window. So that's the difference. And this is

896
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Speaker 7: is that there are open in spots within that zone

897
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Speaker 7: that if you're not getting pressure in that quarterback, he

898
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Speaker 7: could stand back there like Russell Wilson did last week.

899
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Speaker 5: Sounds like he designed his old defense around having persons

900
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Speaker 5: to rush.

901
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Speaker 7: That's why that is that the the grandfather of that

902
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 7: defense designed it that way, right. And and but those

903
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Speaker 7: guys normally usually stay around, not stay around that have

904
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Speaker 7: that pass rusher defense, Yes they have. Those guys are

905
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Speaker 7: the trust to believe you me three months ago even

906
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Speaker 7: if it was like this is gonna work.

907
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Speaker 4: So is he trying to figure out a way now

908
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Speaker 4: on the fly, like this ain't working.

909
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to change it.

910
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Speaker 7: There's a reason why Jdavion Clowneys is here. There's a

911
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Speaker 7: reason why he's the one that called jerrys and Jerry,

912
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Speaker 7: there's a reason why he's here because they're trying to

913
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Speaker 7: create and and and I know I said this. I

914
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Speaker 7: don't know if I said this hero somewhere else, But

915
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 7: Jerry talked about, you know, we could manufacture pressure. Yeah, okay,

916
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Speaker 7: that's gonna require you to add more guys to the scrimmage.

917
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Speaker 7: And if you do that, guess what, You're not playing

918
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Speaker 7: in the back end. You ain't playing zone in the

919
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Speaker 7: back end. You just don't have the guys to do it.

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Speaker 1: Two teams had success right quickly before we get off,

921
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Speaker 1: because I want to hold Chris up. The old Coats,

922
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Speaker 1: remember them with Elihu, with Peyton Manny, the four bringing

923
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Speaker 1: that pressure, paying having the ability to play that zone.

924
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Speaker 1: And you're talking about Tampa with one sap in the

925
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Speaker 1: middle of bringing the heat like that, and you got

926
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Speaker 1: Derek Brooks, you know, and so but right now we

927
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Speaker 1: don't have those guys.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but you're talking about you're talking about both of

929
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Speaker 7: those defensive fronts have two Hall of Fames.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to give

931
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Speaker 1: them an idea of what you're saying.

932
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Speaker 7: Yeah, like both of those teams had like you could

933
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Speaker 7: say like the Warren Sap Yes he was on the

934
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Speaker 7: in side, but they had deck.

935
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Speaker 1: But they had another blow his fingers off to the

936
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Speaker 1: guy who came from the Giants, remember Paul No.

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Speaker 7: But they're talking about those Tampa tele Derreck Brooks they had.

938
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Speaker 7: They had a Florida State he was out of Florida State, big,

939
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Speaker 7: big dude. He was there for a little bit of nice.

940
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Speaker 7: I can't think of his name, but those but those

941
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Speaker 7: Tampa two teams that ran that they had they had

942
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Speaker 7: a guy come off the edge as.

943
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Speaker 1: Well, and they traded for a guy from from the Cardinals.

944
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Speaker 7: And then and then when you look at those coach

945
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Speaker 7: teams they had them, they had freeany Yeah, you know

946
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Speaker 7: that Simeon Rice. They had Simeon Rice coming off that

947
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 7: head simmy and right, what right, what joke. But then

948
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Speaker 7: you had you had Dwight Freedie who who has a

949
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Speaker 7: get off, right was cat quick underside underside and then

950
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 7: he hit through that spin because that off is so quick.

951
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Speaker 7: You jump out there and he.

952
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Speaker 1: You need to get with Donovan and tell him to

953
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Speaker 1: pull out the spind Master tape to help him about

954
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Speaker 1: to say.

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Speaker 7: Pull out what.

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Speaker 4: Good stuff today, guys, Jesse May We could do this

957
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Speaker 4: for five hours today.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Chris tomorrow defense.

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Speaker 7: So tomorrow Cowboys offense, Bears Defense.

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Speaker 4: Cowboys Offense, Bears Defense. Kurt, thanks for bringing it today,

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Speaker 4: field in for Jesse. Chris, thanks for keeping us on

962
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Speaker 4: the air. Josh, thanks for keeping him company. We'll be

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Speaker 4: back tomorrow Hanging with the Boys.

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