1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: today's best minds, and the Department of Justice has lost 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: a quarter of its lawyers. We have such a great 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: show for you today. The link of project's owner Rick 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: Wilson joins us to discuss Trump trying to govern while 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: being the most unpopular president of modern American political history. 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to Justice Anita Earls about her critical 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: race in the state of North Carolina. But first the news. 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: So, Molly, I think this is like one of those 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: interesting thing is that we're always talking about these things 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,279 Speaker 2: where we kind of know this is happening and then 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: you get confirmed. But most of the money Trump's been 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: making has been through shady crypto deals, because what crypto 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: does is it allows shady people to traffic money. 16 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: So my man Steve Rattner, who is really really great 17 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: and is on Morning Joe and basically does these charts 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: where he explained what is happening. He had a chart 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: where he talked about how Donald Trump is a kleptocrat 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: basically and explained that Donald Trump's net worth has nearly 21 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: tripled in his second term he's worth about six point 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: five billion dollars, and you'll be shocked to know that 23 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: much of that has come from his work as president. 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: The money he has made has been You'll get ready 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: because you will not be surprised about this. He made 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: two point one billion dollars in crypto and liquid assets, 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: one point two billion dollars in Trump media whatever, that is, 28 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: one point five billion in golf clubs and resorts, one 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: point two billion in other real estate, and forty five 30 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: million dollars and other stuff. It is and I'm going 31 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: to quote my friend Steve Rattner here because I think 32 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: it's a great line. It's a coin that means nothing. 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: Saturday morning, Joe. It's like buying a pet rock, except 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: you don't even get a rock. It has no value, 35 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: it has no trading value, it's not used in commerce. Nothing. Yes, 36 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump has made six point five billion dollars fleecing 37 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: you guessed it, his supporters. 38 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 39 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: So, as we discussed in the last episode, Louisiana was 40 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: just so eager to get in and try to jerrymander 41 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: a bunch of Democratic seats away. But one of the 42 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: things that they really overstepped on was canceling this primary, 43 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: and there is now a flood of lawsuits over this. 44 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Supreme Court decided that the Voting Rights Act 45 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: is no longer needed because Americans are no longer racist. 46 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: You should tell the Republican Party about this, Jeff Landry 47 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: and Louisiana Governor Super Maga said, let's go. Guess what. 48 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: Since he said let's do this, he has been hit 49 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: with multiple lawsuits in the twenty four hours since he 50 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: announced a hauled unstatewide primary so that Republicans can we 51 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: draw favorable congressional districts in the wake of the Supreme 52 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: Court's Voting rights decision. Yes, so he's getting sued by everyone. Now. 53 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: From what I understand, Jeff Landry is very very very 54 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: very very maga and wants to make Donald Trump love him. 55 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: And he is in quite a lot of trouble and 56 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: we are all in quite a lot of trouble with 57 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: this Voting Rights Actor. Remember, people gave their lives for 58 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: the Voting Rights Act. This was like the moment when 59 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: we were, you know, on the precipice of becoming a 60 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: multi racial democracy. There are so many people who died 61 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: for this moment. Like you think of all the black 62 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: people who tried to vote during this post reconstruction period, 63 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: during the period up until the sixties where they you know, 64 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: they were lynched or they were attacked by the KKK. 65 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: These people gave their lives, And I think about you know, 66 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: I think about the three kids in Mississippi who went 67 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: down there. You think about all the people who gave 68 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: their lives to try to have a multi racial democracy, 69 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: and how this Roberts Court just absolutely obliterated the decision 70 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: in one foul swoop, or at least in the final swoop. 71 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: And so it's really just so dark and depressing. 72 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 73 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: So one of the things we keep talking about is 74 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: all the splinters on the right, and one of the 75 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 2: more interesting ones I don't think is getting a lot 76 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: of attention is that inside MAHA they are very very 77 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 2: mad about the Surgeon General and CDC picks because it 78 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: seems they have seen that this part of the faction 79 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: is so unpopular that MEGA is somehow disobeying the MAHA 80 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: base and putting in less radical people. 81 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: So here's what's happened. Donald Trump made a deal with 82 00:04:54,120 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: MAHA to put RFK Junior into HHS in order to 83 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: go crazy on health that's what Donald Trump said, he 84 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: was going to go wild on health. Well, here's the problem. 85 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: That is very unpopular. People like vaccines, they like they 86 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: like the status quo when it comes to at least 87 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: the vaccine part. And so Trump had created this like 88 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: Maha Maga coalition. And the problem is that Maha, Well, 89 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: it's anti vax it's also anti roundup, it's anti pesticides. 90 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's pro organic foods. And Donald Trump is 91 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: anti organic foods and pro pesticides. And so this is 92 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: where we get into a problem. So last week RFK 93 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: Junior had a nominee for surge in general. It was 94 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: a woman called Casey Means. Casey Means is a wellness influencer. 95 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: She did not have the votes to get past senator approval. 96 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: You may remember a Louisiana senator called Bill cas He 97 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: is like, forget it, we are not doing this, We 98 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: are not voting for Casey Means. He was the vote 99 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: that dot RFK Junior passed his Senate OURFK Junior he 100 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: now knows lied to him about vaccines. And so here 101 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: we are. And Trump is sort of trying to put 102 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: in some normal people before the midterms, and this is 103 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: making Maha really mad. Look again, does Donald Trump really care? 104 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: Not really, but he does want to you know, be 105 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: able to not lose the House so he doesn't get 106 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: it peached. And he also wants to try to shore 107 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: up some of his terrible polling. And since he doesn't 108 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: really care about anything, why not just put some slightly 109 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: less crazy people in there. 110 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds right. So I'm, you know, as a 111 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: person who's a big civil libertarian fan, and that's really 112 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: the biggest surveillance state fan. I'm very not happy to 113 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: see that forty two Democrats joined the GOP and passing 114 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: they weren't mass surveillance bill. 115 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: So this is the Piza reauthorization. It was having a 116 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: lot of trouble getting through the House and the Senate. 117 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: It was punted a bunch of times. Now it's finally 118 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: gotten through. Forty two House Democrats joined the gopn passing 119 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: a warrantless mass surveillance built. So this is another part 120 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 1: of the patriarcht right, the thing that we passed after 121 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: nine to eleven and duress. You know. Ilhan Omar warns 122 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: the bill has no meaningful reforms. Of course, it doesn't 123 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: have meaningful reforms. Why would it have meaningful reforms? But 124 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: forty two Democrats did vote to pass it. And it 125 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: is a dangerous mass surveillance tool. It has been used 126 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: to spy on Black Lives Matter protesters, members of Congress, 127 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: journalists and more. And why should you have to get 128 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: a warrant if you want to surveil someone? 129 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: Jesse Well, I think of all the different times that 130 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: we've seen little fun things like judges and police officers 131 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: doing revenge against their former partners, all sorts of fun 132 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: abuses that we've seen in many sci fi movies. So 133 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: seems like this would usually be a really good check 134 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: and balance. But for some reason, ever since nine to eleven, 135 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: we've decided this. 136 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Molly john Fast here. My memoir How to 137 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: Lose Your Mother is out now on paperback, arriving just 138 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: ahead of Mother's Day. How to Lose Your Mother has 139 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: garnered a lot of praise from Good Morning America, then 140 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: Your Time, Book Review, Vogue, Vanity Fair, and a lot 141 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: of other outlets Washing Post. The book is about what 142 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: it's like to be part of the Sandwich generation, to 143 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: take care of your mother and your children. And I 144 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: talk about being a mother and a daughter and the 145 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: relationship I have with my mother and all of its complexities. 146 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: It's funny and it's fraud and it's sad, and it's 147 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: about life. My story, This story, the story of How 148 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: to Lose Your Mother, follows a year in which my mother, 149 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: Erica Johng, is diagnosed with dementia, my husband faces a 150 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: life threatening illness, and what unfolds is a really honest 151 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: story about what happens when the shit hits the fan 152 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: and everything goes wrong. As The Washington Post said, the 153 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: book is filled with lines so good you won't just 154 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: want to underline them. It's a memoir that continues to resonate, 155 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: so please pick it up. Rick Wilson is the founder 156 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: of the Lincoln Product and the host of The Lincoln 157 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: Project podcast. Rick Wilson, Hello, Mollie. Donald Trump not very popular. 158 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 3: I would say not very popular is putting it mildly. 159 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 4: I would say that if he were if you were 160 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 4: not protected by the Secret Service, people would throw rocks 161 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 4: at him in the streets and trash at him. 162 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 3: He is really unpopular. 163 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to read you some numbers and you tell 164 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: me what you think. Overall, is thirty seven percent approved 165 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 1: sixty two percent disapproved. He is the worst on and 166 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: cost of living twenty three percent approval. So that's basically 167 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: just the rambers at mar A Lago and the Trump kids. Yep, 168 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: seventy six percent disapproval. This is Washington Post ABC the 169 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: inflation twenty seven percent approval. The best he gets is 170 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: a fifty four percent disapproval for the US Mexico border. 171 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 4: And unluckily for the Republicans, the US Mexico border on 172 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 4: the scale of issues is about number eighty seven. The 173 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 4: number one issues affordability, inflation, prices, gas, Those things are 174 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 4: right at the top of the pile right now, and 175 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 4: he is. He is now officially a boat anchor around 176 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: the necks of Republicans running at every level in this country. 177 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 4: And they don't know how to get out of it. 178 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 4: They don't know how to shake themselves away from him 179 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 4: because they're afraid of him. 180 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 3: It's bad. 181 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: So let's talk about what's happened since then. Donald Trump 182 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: has these terrible polls. This week, the Supreme Court very 183 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: partisan six to three decision, Yeah, to kill the Voting 184 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: Rights Act, just end it basically. 185 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: Or I mean, yeah, they say they didn't, but they. 186 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: Did, right and what they did was they they ended 187 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: minority majority districts because there is no more racism in America. 188 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: It's over. They fixed it. 189 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: And you're all and we're the racists for noticing the racism. 190 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: Yes, how dare you? 191 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 3: How right? How dare you look? Molly? 192 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 4: This is this decision will go down in the Supreme 193 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 4: Court's catalog with things like dread Scott and Kuamatsu. This 194 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 4: is going to go down as a historically bad decision. 195 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 4: The Supreme Court or it's job is to interpret the Constitution, 196 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 4: and they went far, far, far out over the over 197 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 4: the cliff here in order to essentially give the Republican 198 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 4: Party a lifeline in the twenty twenty sixth election. They 199 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 4: can say they didn't. They can they can posture all 200 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 4: they didn't. But what happened here was very very, very 201 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 4: much about this year's election. They timed it for it. 202 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 4: A lot of these states that were planning these redistricting 203 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 4: efforts were timing it for this. 204 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: They knew this was coming. 205 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: And look, Republicans don't don't don't take a crap without 206 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 4: a plan. 207 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: They had a plan. They're going to execute on that plan. 208 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 4: As you can see now in Florida, in Alabama, Louisiana 209 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 4: and on on. 210 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: So k Ivy and Alabama going to redistrict Mississippi at 211 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: tate Reeves, right, tate Reeves, tate Reeves people are voting 212 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: in the primary, and Tate Reeves is tate Reeves is 213 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: like not so fast. 214 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah that that. The only state that's holding the 215 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 4: line right now is Georgia. They're like, no, not going 216 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 4: to happen when he's right, He's right. Kemp is right 217 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 4: on this one. He's like, no, I'm not doing it. 218 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 4: But k Ivy, I was told very reliably, did not 219 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 4: want to do this, got a lot of pressure from 220 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 4: the White House, a lot of very ugly, like immediate 221 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 4: pressure from the White House. And so what's really happening 222 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 4: here is Chris Losovita and the White House political team 223 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 4: are trying to pull a Hail Mary play here and 224 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 4: get enough redistricted seats to win. And you know what 225 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 4: Democrats need to learn a lesson. They did not do 226 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 4: the wrong thing when California responded to Texas. 227 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 3: They did the right thing. Yeah, they now need to 228 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 3: keep doing the right thing. If the new rule that. 229 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 4: The Supreme Court has said is, hey, you can do 230 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 4: partisan redistricting as long as not racial. 231 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 3: You can call it partisan if it's if it has 232 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: a racial impact. Whatever. Okay. 233 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 4: Now states that said, oh, we can't do redistricting now 234 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 4: have an excuse New York, Illinois. There's no reason that 235 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 4: New York has a Republican congressman. 236 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 3: Not one reason at all. 237 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: Reason. No. 238 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: I can see how you can trim that down to one. 239 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 3: Park him on. 240 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: Park him on Island, Babe, sat. 241 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 4: An Island and Long Island, and be done, be done, 242 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 4: And Illinois can do the same thing. They now are 243 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 4: not constrained by this. I want democrats to understand that 244 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 4: if you don't respond in kind, and you may not 245 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 4: like it, and no one has to like it. I 246 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 4: don't like it. It's shitty that we're in this position. 247 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 4: It's awful as a democracy as a country that we 248 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 4: have to do this. But if you don't counteract what 249 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 4: they're doing, they will keep doing it. 250 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Correct. And I think when we talk about this, 251 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: what strikes me is that Donald Trump he's really unpopular, 252 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: and he's really and and you know, he's really unhinged. 253 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: Right like, for example, like all week, ass just went 254 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: up and up and up, so it's up to almost 255 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: five dollars. In a lot of places it is five dollars. 256 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: This is like the worst case scenario for Republicans. 257 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: It absolutely is. 258 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 4: And I have a friend who is a senior oil 259 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 4: and gas analyst at a very large Wall Street bank. 260 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 4: And this person is so smart about this stuff and 261 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 4: not political, not not super political, okay, not deeply wired political. 262 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 4: And this person told me the other day, Oh, no, 263 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 4: these prices won't come down until twenty twenty eight at 264 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 4: this point, if they. 265 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: Do ever, that is you and I. You and I 266 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: have talked. You and I have talked about this before, 267 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: which is that getting prices up is pretty easy. Getting 268 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: prices down is pretty difficult. It was. 269 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 4: It was the thing Biden realized that getting good news 270 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 4: back to people takes twice as long as bad news 271 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 4: getting to people, and that time interval is not in 272 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 4: the republicans favor. Right now, six months from now, even 273 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 4: if the Strait opens today, six months from now, people 274 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 4: are gonna still be saying, God, damn gas was expensive. 275 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: Right, So you have this problem, which is like gas prices. 276 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: You're heading into the summer. Now, Spear and Airlines goes 277 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: under passive, going under and that's because gas is really expensive, 278 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: which means that if you're flying a plane and buying 279 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: a ton of gas, it's even more expensive. 280 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 4: That is correct, And aviation fuel is the central cost 281 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 4: driver for airlines. It's not the leasing of the planes 282 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 4: or the hiring of the cruise. Fuel is the pillar 283 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 4: in the center of their cost. 284 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: Model because they use a lot of fuel, a whole lot. 285 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: And what they use, what jet fuel is, is a variation. 286 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: Of diesel fuel. Okay, and diesel has gone up much 287 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: more than regular gasoline. 288 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: That's right. 289 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: Regular gasoline has. 290 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 4: Gone up one hundred and whatever percent, but diesel fuel 291 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 4: has gone up almost two hundred and fifty percent. 292 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: So the people who use diesel fuel, Oh. 293 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 4: I don't know airlines, farmers, truckers, trains. 294 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 3: And that none of this is good news right now 295 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: for the economy. It is very, very bad news for 296 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 3: the economy. 297 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 4: And it's worse for Trump and the Republicans because they 298 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 4: really keep pretending that nothing's wrong. You know, the other 299 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 4: day Trump had a moment, Molly, I don't know what 300 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 4: you thought about this when he went out and said, oh, affordability, 301 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 4: it's there, and they've got one line of bullshit. I'm 302 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 4: pretty sure American consumers don't think affordability is a line. 303 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 3: Of bullshit right now, like more more affordability than less. 304 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: By the way, there are all these sorts of damnicle is. 305 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: Remember there are all of these things that are written 306 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: in the BBB that after the mid terms explode, like 307 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, they got cuts of Medicare, Medicaid snap, et cetera. 308 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: But so we're in the beginning of a trajectory that's bad. 309 00:17:58,760 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: We're not at the end of it. 310 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 3: That's right, Molly, That's right. We are. 311 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 4: We're we're we're watching the well, we're gonna watch this 312 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 4: play out now over the next few months in a 313 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 4: way that the consequences that we think are bad now 314 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 4: on of the BBB, including like you know, blowing a 315 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 4: hole in the deficit and blowing a hole in the debt, 316 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 4: all that stuff that is nothing compared to what happens 317 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 4: next year when all the healthcare cuts start rolling in 318 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 4: harder than ever, when when Medicare cuts, Medicaid cuts, all 319 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 4: those things. 320 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 3: Start rolling in. 321 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 4: And Donald Trump does not have a solution. No, his 322 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 4: solution so far has been to say, oh, well, we're 323 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 4: gonna We're going to increase the defense Department budget to 324 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 4: one point five trillion dollars. That is his solution to 325 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 4: growing the economy right now. And I'm sorry it doesn't 326 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 4: work that way. 327 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think that there's another problem, which 328 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: is so say, first of all, they're negotiating a ceasefire, 329 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: and they're negotiating some kind of piece thing. Maybe maybe right, 330 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: maybe maybe baby, there's you know, Trump has said the 331 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: wars over like fifty seven times every time, and you know, 332 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: like reporters for a long time have been like, the president, 333 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: call me, the war's over. The president called me the president. 334 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: There's a world in which you are the boy who 335 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: cried wolf one too many times. 336 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 4: Yes, there's also a world in which reporters should stop 337 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 4: being so ef incredulous when Trump calls them and says something. 338 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: But he's kept the market propped up on this idea 339 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: that if he calls reporters and says something, it will 340 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: be reported and the market the rest of us may 341 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: not believe him, but the stock market will, well, part of. 342 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 3: The stock market does. 343 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 4: And look right now, the stock market is not being sustained. 344 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 4: It partly sustained by Trump's bs line about the war 345 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 4: being over, but it's also being sustained by the capital 346 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 4: expenditures of the magnificent ten tech companies that are still 347 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 4: out there spending money like handover fist on building data 348 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 4: centers and building AI infrastructure. The rest of the stock 349 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 4: market is like, really scared. They're really getting jittery. 350 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 3: And if one and we. 351 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: Had we had an okay, you had an okay weekend 352 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 4: or week for the quarter for the tech firms. But 353 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 4: this is this market is so fragile that we can't 354 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 4: afford a big shock. We can't afford And interestingly enough, 355 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 4: Trump can't afford politically to give up and let the 356 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 4: Iranians win quote unquote they've already won, I think. But 357 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 4: he also can't continue to do what he's doing and 358 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 4: pretend that the war is on off on off, depending 359 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 4: on what we. 360 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: Were his mood is that morning. 361 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 4: I think he's in a lot of trouble right now, Molly, 362 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 4: and I say that as somebody who's seen him get 363 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 4: in trouble and get out of it before. But this 364 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 4: pattern is of him being able to bs the markets 365 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 4: is getting less effective over time, and the economic pain 366 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 4: everyday Americans are feeling is far, far, far outweighed by 367 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 4: his ability to sort of do the Shama Lama and 368 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 4: make the market, you know, not crash every day. 369 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. I also think that when we look at this economy, 370 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: it's this case shaped economy, right, so the riches do 371 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: the best and the poorest do the worst. And this 372 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: is the inheritance of the Trump twenty seventeen tax cut, 373 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: which said, if you have money, you can use that 374 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: money to make more money. If you don't have money, 375 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: you're fucked. And what I think is really important about 376 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: this is that this we're in a moment where we 377 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: really need progressive taxation. We need to have we don't 378 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,479 Speaker 1: need to sort of go the other way. And what 379 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: Trump has really done is this sort of trickle down. Ee. 380 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: You know, if you just cut taxes on businesses and 381 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: very rich people, they'll take care of everyone else. And 382 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: what we've seen is that's on trip. 383 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 4: Actually, Molly, I got to tell you, as a as 384 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 4: a free market guy, this makes trickle down from the 385 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 4: Reagan era look like full communism. 386 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 3: This isn't even close. They've stopped pretending. 387 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 4: I tell a story in my first book about a 388 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 4: guy that he's passed now, but we used to be 389 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 4: a big lobbyist in DC. Never like a super Trump guy, 390 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 4: but he was very, very good Senate lobbyist, and he 391 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 4: told I asked him during the twenty seventeen tax bull 392 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 4: I'm like, is there anything in here that's like some 393 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 4: middle class uplift? Is there anything here that is that 394 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 4: you guys have put a mark on or the Senate 395 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 4: has put a mark on where they can run on it. 396 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 3: I'm just curious. He goes, get the fuck out of here, 397 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 3: and I goes, my clients are hedge funds and investment 398 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 3: banking people. Skill's gonna give about one hundred and fifty 399 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 3: people in companies a free ride, and nobody everybody else 400 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 3: is getting. 401 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 4: Fucked right, And he was right. When the twenty seventeen 402 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 4: tax cuts expired, we should have known. 403 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: And we should let them expire again. 404 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 4: I believe that the economy could benefit by a broadly 405 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 4: lower tax structure on the middle class. 406 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: And I think that. 407 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 4: I think that when you've got a guy like Elon Musk, 408 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 4: who was paid one hundred and fifty eight billion dollars 409 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: last year and paid a marginal tax rate of nine percent, 410 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 4: get the. 411 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 3: Fuck out of here. 412 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 4: And I say that as an economic conservative the country's 413 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 4: in debt and our deficits are out of control, and 414 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 4: we're giving these guys the imaginary benefit that somehow, Elon Musk, 415 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 4: who employs in this country about seventy five thousand people 416 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 4: in different capacities, somehow deserves to not pay taxes. 417 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's wild. So let's just talk about we 418 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: got this midterm. They're going to redistrict. I have this 419 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: theory of the case, and I'm going to pitch it 420 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: to you, and you tell me if I'm wrong, okay, 421 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: because we have this friendship where you tell me when 422 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: I'm wrong sometimes, at least I hope you do. Oh yeah, 423 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: I think that they're going to redistrict with those twenty 424 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: four numbers, right which. 425 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 3: They did in Florida. I can tell you for sure. 426 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 4: They used the twenty twenty four performance model in Florida. 427 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about Florida because Florida DeSantis and 428 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: his infinite wisdom has decided to redistrict right now, so 429 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: he's going to draw it. I think four seats. 430 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 4: Maybe they have added four seats, but in doing it, 431 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 4: they have reduced the Republican voter performance in all the 432 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 4: other seats except for well, except for three seats, which 433 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 4: basically stayed the same one, two, and four in the 434 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 4: northern part of the state. But around the rest of 435 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 4: the state, they what I called they did their what 436 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 4: I call the Pretoria Plan, and they compacted all the 437 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 4: minorities into the smallest possible areas. 438 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: Okay. 439 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 4: They made Republican seats that were R plus ten R 440 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 4: plus eight into seats that are now R plus four. 441 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 3: R plus six. 442 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about that. So they're using the 443 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four numbers where Donald Trump really overperformed with 444 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: wildly Hispanic voters. 445 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 3: Yep, well, listen, Molly, even African American voters. He overperformed 446 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 3: in Florida, right. 447 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: But Hispanic voters is a group he's now underwater by 448 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: about thirty eight. 449 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. And our friend Mike Madrid has been cataloging this 450 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: as in the last few weeks. Yeah, and every poll 451 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 3: for Trump and Hispanics tells us one big thing. It's 452 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 3: not the immigration that has pissed them off. It is 453 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 3: the economy. 454 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: And even look also they're having their relatives shipped away, especially. 455 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 3: I'm getting to that for Florida. 456 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 457 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 4: The fact that Stephen Miller is so tone deaf. There's 458 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 4: been tension in the White House between Steven Miller and 459 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 4: the political team because in Florida, their new arrest target 460 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 4: for ICE is Cubans who were here under TPS status, 461 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 4: which has now been canceled, so they're now here in 462 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 4: legal limbo. Many of them are trying to do the 463 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 4: process and they're you know, doing the whole thing. They 464 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 4: go to the courthouse, they get arrested there. 465 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: They're Republicans Cubans. 466 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 4: Yes, Molly, this is the fucking genius of rot of 467 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 4: Donald Trump and Steven Moeller. 468 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 3: They're they're the Republicans of Venezuelans were an amazing new 469 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 3: constituency for the GOP and is growing so fast. Cubans 470 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 3: were always there. 471 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 4: Venezuelans were new, but they were so Republican because they thought, 472 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: finally they're going to fight back against the communists. The 473 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 4: Venezuelans in Florida saw Trump kidnapp Madua, They're like, yay, 474 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 4: cool and leave Delsea Rodriguez is fucking Madua's fucking enforcer 475 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 4: in charge of Venezuela. Yeah, the tone deafness of these 476 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 4: people is beyond any comprehension. They they they don't get 477 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 4: the community because they're not of the community. 478 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 3: And even Marco is not any more like of the community. 479 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: He's he's you know, Marco. 480 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: So I want to just pull back to this. So enough, 481 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: So a seat in Florida there wasn't R plus two 482 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: is now an R plus six or in art plus four, yep, 483 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: And it's with those it's R plus four on the 484 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four numbers. So the twenty twenty four numbers 485 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: had a lot of overperforming. 486 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 4: Absolutely getting you're absolutely getting to the point, Molly, who 487 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 4: is exactly the point. 488 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: So you're looking at the wrong fucking model. 489 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: So if they're looking at the twenty four numbers and 490 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: Donald Trump not on the ballot, has already flipped, you know, 491 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: the mayor of Miami, now a Democrat, correct, you know, 492 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: has already clearly has taken some water. The ship is 493 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: taking in water. The water is Hispanic voters, Black voters, 494 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: young voters. And we saw already the generic is a 495 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: D plus ten. So you could see all of those 496 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: seats flipping. 497 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 4: I can tell you there's a there's an there's a 498 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 4: way that that you could look at Florida losing six 499 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 4: Republican seats and not be living in fantasy land. 500 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: And it's a and that would be called a dummy 501 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: mander where you can remander yourself into a dummy mander. 502 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 3: There's one other. 503 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 4: Area in Florida that they that they made a mistake 504 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 4: on using the wrong modeling. In Florida, traditionally speaking, independent 505 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 4: egene like non party affiliated voters tend to vote Republican 506 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 4: historically about sixty to sixty two percent of the time. 507 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 4: That number is now in every public poll. Independents hate 508 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 4: Republicans more than they hate the Democrats. And they hate 509 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,479 Speaker 4: Trump at basically almost a three to one and Trump's 510 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 4: policies of a three to one against ratio. And I 511 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 4: gotta tell you, I think that model for independent voters 512 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 4: more than the minority voters is is is what's going 513 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 4: to end up if you know, all of the things 514 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 4: being equal this year, that's going to end up where 515 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 4: they really take a beating. 516 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and again this is something you could see coming 517 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: from a million miles away, right. He is the twenty 518 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: four numbers for a mid term after Donald Trump has 519 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: already taken on so much water. It's hard to imagine 520 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: this doesn't end in disaster for them. 521 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: And I can tell you in the old days. 522 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 4: You know, in my Republican days, we were very dedicated 523 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 4: to working the numbers and thinking through like what's the 524 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 4: real model going to look like? They have not factored 525 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 4: into a lot of these numbers, even the off year 526 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 4: twenty five races, because we have Mickey, Cheryl and Abby 527 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 4: Spamberger and even mom DOMI was talking about affordability in 528 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 4: a New York City context. Yeah, and this is this 529 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 4: message affordability inflation prices and linking it up as John 530 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 4: Ossoff is doing, I think right now at like top 531 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 4: of the tier level performance in Georgia, linking it to 532 00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 4: the corruption in Washington and in the Trump administration. Democrats 533 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 4: are being handed the sword to cut off the head 534 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 4: of the dragon that is Maga and Trump. 535 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: They're being handed. 536 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 4: They're being handed an environment and a weapon to use 537 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 4: that I've never seen in any mid term election in 538 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 4: my career. 539 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 3: And I've been doing this far too long. 540 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: Rick Wilson, will you come back, you know I will. 541 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: Justice Anita Earles is a justice on the North Carolina 542 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Welcome, Welcome, Justice Earls. Tell me about your 543 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: judgeship where you're running for re election and everything like that. Sure. Well, 544 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: but first of all. 545 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 5: Let me just say how excited I am tow the 546 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 5: chance to like actually meet you. I read your stuff. 547 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: Thank you. 548 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, a huge movement for me. But yes, I'm actually 549 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 5: now the senior Associate Justice on the North Carolina Supreme Court. Yes, 550 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 5: a seven member corps and we are elected in partisan 551 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 5: elections statewide, so that means an electorate of over seven 552 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 5: million voters. 553 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: So North Carolina very important state for any number of reasons. 554 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: But tell us why, Well. 555 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 5: In particular why our state Supreme Court matters is because 556 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 5: we have made decisions about redistricting and for Congress. If 557 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four the districts were redrawn, so before Texas. 558 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 5: People want to give Texas credit, but actually North Carolina redrew. 559 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 5: We previously had a seven to seven congressional delegation, which 560 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 5: reflects the voting patterns. 561 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: To the people of the state. 562 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 5: But then there was a redrawing and it went to 563 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 5: ten four, so ten Republicans for Democrats. If we still 564 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 5: had the seven to seven today, the US House Representatives 565 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 5: was be in control of Democrats, so it's really impacted Congress. 566 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: So what happened when Republicans got a ten four in 567 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: that state. How did they redraw the maps? 568 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 5: So what happened was our court, the democratically controlled court 569 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 5: said that extreme partisan gerrymanderin violates the state constitution and 570 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 5: that's why we required fair maps. But then the new 571 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 5: court in January twenty twenty three Republicans took control. Five 572 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 5: Republicans two Democrats now on the court and they reheard 573 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 5: the case and essentially overturned the prior court in the 574 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 5: same case, which is highly unusual, and said, actually, the 575 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 5: legislature can draw however they want. So they redrew the 576 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 5: districts to pack Democrats into as few districts as possible 577 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,239 Speaker 5: and spread out Republicans so that they could control more districts. So, 578 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 5: even though it is an electorate that you know votes 579 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 5: more slightly more democratic than Republican in twenty twenty four, 580 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 5: the districts give Republicans an incredible advantage. 581 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: So how many seats are do you and how many 582 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: are dens? 583 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 5: So out of the fourteen right now today, ten Republican 584 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 5: for Democrats, even though as I said, you know, the 585 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 5: voting public is split evenly. And this is the state 586 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 5: where the Senate majority leader Trump asked him to redraw again. 587 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 5: So they have redistricted to try to get to eleven three. 588 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 5: And so in eastern North Carolina, there's a district that 589 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 5: was very close that Democrats won and they redrew it 590 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,959 Speaker 5: to They drew the Democratic incumbent, representative Don Davis, an 591 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 5: African American representative, they drew him out of his district. 592 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: So he's not an incumbent anymore. Well, he's running again. 593 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 5: He moved so that he could live in the new 594 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 5: district and he's running to keep his seat. 595 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: So just I'd love to just dig in for another 596 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: minute on this because I'm very interested in jerry mandering 597 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: as well. We should all be, because of the Supreme 598 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: Court decision this week which was in Sea. So I'd 599 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: love you to talk about when they redraw these seats, 600 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: their margins get. So, for example, they redrew to an 601 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: eleven three right eleven GOP three, Liberals three dams, but 602 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: the margins that they've redrawn them to are smaller. Right, 603 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: If you have to keep splitting, then you're going to 604 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: have some smaller margins, right. 605 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 5: That's right, And that's why Actually the decision from Louisiana 606 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 5: probably won't impact North Carolina's congressional districts very much in 607 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 5: this particular cycle, because they've already packed Democrats and black 608 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 5: voters about as much as you possibly can. 609 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's I think so interesting. Now, I would 610 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: love you to talk about. So we had the judge 611 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: on here, Judge Riggs, and she had a rather dramatic 612 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 1: She won, but it was rather dramatic. I would love 613 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: you to talk about just how closed the mar Virgins 614 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: are for you and in these judge ship races. 615 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 5: Yes, so Justice Riggs actually on election night was behind, 616 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 5: but because there were provisional ballots that had not yet 617 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 5: been counted, there was an opportunity for and a lot 618 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 5: of volunteers worked hard to get those voters to go 619 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 5: back to the poll, go back to the Board of Elections, 620 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 5: show their ID or do whatever they needed to do 621 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 5: to correct their registration so that the ballot would count. 622 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 5: They call it ballot cering, but peered over one thousand 623 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 5: ballots and this was mostly the work of civic engagement groups, nonpartisan, 624 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 5: nonprofit groups. So the ultimate margin was seven hundred and 625 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 5: thirty four votes after two recounts. But then her opponent, 626 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 5: Jefferson Griffin, decided to file a lawsuits to throw out 627 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 5: thousands of ballots. He challenged over eighty thousand ballots, and 628 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,760 Speaker 5: ultimately the court that I sit on the Republicans ruled 629 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 5: the the ballots of military and overseas voters should be 630 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 5: thrown out. Justice Riggs, with incredible courage, fought this six 631 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 5: month battle. There were many points along the way where 632 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 5: it didn't look like she was going to be able 633 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 5: to take her seat, you know, and our court said 634 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 5: we're not going to count those ballots. But there was 635 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 5: also litigation in federal court, and the federal court ruled 636 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 5: that you can't change the rules of the election after 637 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 5: the election, because that's essentially what we were trying to do. 638 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 5: But you should know that prior to that, the first 639 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 5: African American woman to serve as Chief Justice, Sherry Beasley. 640 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 5: She ran to keep her seat as Chief Justice in 641 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 5: twenty twenty and lost by four hundred and one votes. 642 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 643 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 5: In both of these elections, over five million people voting. 644 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 5: So for Justice Riggs, it comes down to fewer than 645 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,600 Speaker 5: eight ballots per county. In North Carolina, we have one 646 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 5: hundred counties. 647 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: Jesus really close. 648 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 5: So I wish I could tell you that it won't 649 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 5: be that way in twenty six. For my race, my 650 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 5: seat's the only one on the ballot this year, but 651 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 5: early polling shows that I am just neckonnected with my opponent. 652 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 5: We're both at forty three percent with the the electorate undecided. 653 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 5: And those are in polls where Governor Cooper, who's running 654 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 5: for US Senate, right ahead by seven eight points. A 655 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 5: generic Democrat is a head for state house, state Senate, 656 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,439 Speaker 5: for the Congress. So what that tells you is that 657 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 5: people are don't know enough about the judicial candidates. They 658 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 5: don't know what they they don't know why it impacts them. 659 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 5: And as a candidate, you know, it's my goal to 660 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 5: get the word out as yeah and white as I can. 661 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: And also you have Democrats on the ballot who are 662 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: going to do well right to talk us through like 663 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: what the rest of the slight looks like. 664 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 5: Definitely, and this is somewhat a mirror of twenty four 665 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 5: because you know, we then we had Josh Stein who 666 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 5: was very popular. He won handily over opponent Mark Robinson. 667 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 5: And yes, he had a very he had. 668 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: A very crazy opponent he was running against. 669 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, you can say that. Also, yeah, but there 670 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 5: were some two hundred voter, two hundred thousand voters close 671 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 5: to two hundred thousand voters who voted for Josh Stein 672 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 5: and didn't vote in for Allison. 673 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: Riggs because they didn't know about her. Right, right. 674 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 5: And so this year Rory Cooper top of the ticket, 675 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,280 Speaker 5: incredibly strong candidate. He's beloved across the state. 676 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: He's doing well. 677 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 5: His campaign is very strong's he's raising good money, he's 678 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 5: across the state people supporting, people like him, you know, 679 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,879 Speaker 5: the good reason to be very optimistic that he will 680 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 5: win in November. The other statewide candidates are the judicial candidates, 681 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 5: So my seat on the Supreme Court, and then we 682 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 5: have three Democrats running for our intermediate court, the Court 683 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 5: of Appeals that is a fifteen member court. There are 684 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 5: only three Democrats on the court and all three of 685 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 5: those seats are up this year. So a really compelling 686 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 5: reason even for unaffiliated moderate voters, if they want a 687 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 5: diversity of viewpoint on the right right important, Yeah, no, 688 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 5: And I think a lot of times people don't know 689 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 5: what to do at the bottom of the ballance, right, 690 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 5: That's a real thing, and so I think what's important 691 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 5: for people to see is that you guys have these 692 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 5: partisan judgeship elections, and this is what they are, and 693 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 5: this is why it's important. And I think people think 694 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 5: of us just as in the criminal justice system, right, 695 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 5: that all of the TV ads are going to be 696 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 5: about judges who lock them up are good liberal judges 697 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 5: won't lock them up enough. And that is just number one, 698 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 5: not true about my record. Number two, that's just a 699 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 5: part of what we do. And everything from electricity rates 700 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 5: to compensation for people injured on the job, to funding 701 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 5: for public education, which then impacts local tax right, right, 702 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 5: If the state isn't going to fund education, it's going 703 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 5: to come down to property taxes. So I think that 704 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 5: the electorate doesn't appreciate the ways in which our court 705 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:12,479 Speaker 5: is impacting their. 706 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: Lives well, and I think just flipping the house is enough. Right. 707 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: People don't like to see cheating and elections, right, They 708 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: just don't like it. And to find that you have 709 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: these judges who are cheating at elections, drawing the map 710 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: so that Republicans can get more seats when in fact 711 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: that is not what you know that it's that's a gerrymander. 712 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,879 Speaker 1: People don't like it. I think that's right. 713 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 5: I think people the real question what I would hate 714 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 5: to have happen is for people to think, okay, well, 715 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 5: that just means all politics is bad. You know this 716 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 5: bothroism kind of all sides are doing the same thing. 717 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 5: Because in our ruling in twenty twenty two hours, part 718 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 5: of the majority that said jerrymandering is unconstition it was 719 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 5: a very neutral decision. We set out criteria methods to 720 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 5: measure a maps performance and it wouldn't matter which party 721 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 5: did it, whether Democrats or Republicans gerrymandered under our ruling. 722 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 6: It would be unconstitutional, right, right, It's just so nuts 723 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 6: that were at this moment where the courts have gotten 724 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 6: so out of control, the Republican courts. 725 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: Tell me what's happening in North Carolina on the ground, 726 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: Like what you're seeing because you're talking to people, you're 727 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: running profice. What does it look like there? What are 728 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: people struggling with? 729 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 5: There's a lot of enthusiasm for change, and when we're 730 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,320 Speaker 5: knocking on doors, you know, we hear a lot of 731 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 5: people fed up with frustrated with the federal government, with Trump, 732 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 5: with you know, everything from gas prices to our food prices, 733 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 5: to the lack of help in the western part of 734 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,840 Speaker 5: the state. For hurricane victims, Like, there's. 735 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: A lot of ways in which the FEMA stuff is crazy. 736 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of ways the federal government is failing 737 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 5: our citizens, and they recognize it. What I think they 738 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 5: not always appreciate is that that's happening at the state 739 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 5: level as well, those same kind of failures to serve 740 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 5: the people. And so the other side of it is, 741 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 5: I think there continues to be some people just get 742 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 5: so discouraged they just you know, That's why I think 743 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 5: so many folks are registered as unaffiliated because they just 744 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 5: don't sort of don't know who to turn to, if 745 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 5: you will. And then on top of that, in some 746 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 5: places in North Carolina, and I've heard this, particularly from 747 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 5: women voters, they're actually afraid to identify as Democrat or 748 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 5: afraid to acknowledge they support Democrats. 749 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,720 Speaker 1: Why because it's socially unacceptable. 750 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 5: Yea, some women voters in the rural areas they feel 751 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,919 Speaker 5: their husbands will not let them vote for Democrats. 752 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: Crazy, So we have to overcome that as. 753 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 5: Well, and I think the way to do that is 754 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 5: to continue to be visible and to say yes, you can, 755 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 5: you can support the party that aligns with your values. 756 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 5: But people are afraid of losing their jobs. They're afraid of, 757 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,720 Speaker 5: you know, not being invited to their neighbors' homes anymore Jesus. 758 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,080 Speaker 5: And so I think that's another thing we just have 759 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,919 Speaker 5: to acknowledge, is that in states like North Carolina, there's 760 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 5: places where party identification has been so intertwined with cultural 761 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 5: and social identity that it's hard to break through with 762 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 5: just arguments about policy. 763 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you for joining US. Justice Earls. 764 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 5: Oh, I'm philed to be here. Thank you so much 765 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 5: for all that you do to bring facts and truth 766 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 5: to people. 767 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: With Wilson Fast, Tucker Ralson was in Your Times interviewed 768 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 1: by the really lovely, very smart journalist who comes from NPR, 769 00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: Lulu Garcia Navarro. Yeah, we're both really worried about a time, Carlson, 770 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: both of us. 771 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,320 Speaker 3: We've talked about this a lot, and both of I 772 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 3: think we're both right. 773 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 4: There is a vibe I'm getting off of Tucker that 774 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 4: everything he's doing right now, the breaking away from Trump, 775 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 4: this very slippery jesuitical level of evasion. In this interview, 776 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,879 Speaker 4: I think Trucker is setting up for his twenty twenty 777 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 4: eight presidential run. The breakup with Trump, the purity stuff, 778 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 4: and now this I just there's a weird sense in 779 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 4: my mind that he has nothing to lose. And if 780 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 4: the field looks like we expect it will look, which 781 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 4: will be jd Vance and Marco will be taking each 782 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 4: other apart, and there will be fifteen other people. Ted 783 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 4: Cruz was in Iowa this week, so obviously he's gonna run, 784 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 4: and all these other Republicans are going to get in 785 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,680 Speaker 4: that race and think they can all take the crown. 786 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 4: Tucker has the highest name ID among Republican based voters, 787 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,399 Speaker 4: and I got to tell you, I think he goes 788 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 4: to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina and does the 789 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,319 Speaker 4: full Tucker Show and let's the racism freak flag fly 790 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 4: and it doesn't hurt him in any of those three states. 791 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,840 Speaker 1: See, here's the thing about Tucker Carlson. Would you and 792 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,320 Speaker 1: I both know he has been watching Donald Trump and 793 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: he's been like, why the fuck is that guy get 794 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,640 Speaker 1: to be president? 795 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 3: And I don't. 796 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's been like, that guy got to be 797 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: president because he was famous. I'm famous, so I'll be president. 798 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,279 Speaker 1: And the thing that you and I both know, the 799 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: thing that keeps us up at night is not that 800 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,800 Speaker 1: Tucker is more racist than Trump, though I think he 801 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: probably is. But the thing that keeps us up at 802 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: night is that Tucker is much scarier than Trump because 803 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,240 Speaker 1: he's much smarter. 804 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 3: I want everybody to remember one thing about Tucker Carlson. 805 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: He is not stupid, and Donald Trump very much is. 806 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,360 Speaker 3: Donald Trump is. To Donald Trump's racism is like Queen's 807 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 3: nineteen fifties racism, sort of just getting poured in the water. 808 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 3: Tucker's is like a worldview with a philosophical underpinning from 809 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,839 Speaker 3: a bunch of really scary asshole philosophers. 810 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, not great, not great. And I think it's also 811 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: just like Tucker, Carl's really smart and effective. And if 812 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: he becomes president, he's going to do a lot of 813 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,799 Speaker 1: fucked up stuff in a way that's going to work 814 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 1: for him. 815 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he'll give Alaska back to Russia. He's going 816 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 3: to be it'll be. 817 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,439 Speaker 1: Over care yes, correct, And here see you next time. 818 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 1: All right, thank you you betcha. That's it for this 819 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: episode of Fast Politics. 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